We all learn from each other.

It pains me to see Australia in the situation it’s in.

I’m currently in Vietnam, 90 plus million people and everyone seems to have something to do that gives them purpose for each day.

In Australia the government bought millions of votes by telling everyone they are intelligent and sending them off to university.
Enough said there.

Reality avoidance at work that doesn’t help the individual or the country.

Back in Vietnam most people seem content but of course I don’t get the full picture. There’s corruption at high levels but personal safety is good because the government insists very strongly that they want it.
The tourist dollars are important.

Back to the atmosphere; I’ve collected some Cp and Cv values for air and CO2 at stp and when I get some time I’ll try to fit it together.

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We must begin the battle against the “hotter drier summer Myth”.

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Little things can cause great damage.
Eg Ricin: The inhalation median lethal dose (LD50) is 3-5 µg/kg. That’s 0.005ppm.

Tiny things repeated over vast areas and long times can cause great damage.
Eg. running water destroys granite.

An extra 3W of energy per meter2 continuously accumulating hour after hour, year after year of thousands of sq km would become a problem.

I thought this line of the debate was long past done. I’m with mobichi. Co2 does absorb infra red. It does warm some parts of the atmosphere. The thing that matters is how the atmosphere responds to this and whether that energy accumulates or mostly escapes.

The dominant role of water vapor is a worthy line of attack. The simple amount of CO2 is not.

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Scott Morrison Quoted below

“This royal commission accepts, it acknowledges, it understands the impact of climate change more broadly on the climatic conditions that Australia is living in,” Mr Morrison said in Sydney.

“What this royal commission is looking at are the practical things that must be done to keep Australians safer and safe in longer, hotter, drier summers, in the conditions in which Australians will live into the future.”

end quote.

It disappoints me that “climate change” is already accepted that it is a cause.

I believe the royal commission is already a lame duck. To make an assumption that climate change is a driving factor in the bushfires before any investigation by the commissioners is a gross dereliction in investigative process.

Councils, State and Federal governments and their agencies will not be held accountable as they have already found their scapegoat.

This is totally wrong. All cause and effect needs to be thoroughly investigated. Nothing should be assumed beforehand as it can prejudice judgement and findings. I believe the RC will not be a report that finds the truth. I fear that It will be a report that protects the backsides of those that may be responsible.

I have seen it before.

I despair.

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In real life the CO2 marble don’t actually heat up once they leave the immediate surface. By that I mean they don’t heat up any more than the other atmospheric gases surrounding them.

Andy could be more specific there. Conduction with ground/water surfaces is the basic atmospheric heating mechanism?

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The rest is equally wrong and totally incoherent.

But thanks anyhow.

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so while 4 in 100 would still look like a small amount, if you picture that water vapour could only be double Co2 and the Co2 marble itself is larger. water vapour is more important because of its broader spectrum and will always trap more heat, but Co2 has a some very important narrow lines that cant be ignored in the atmosphere.

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To the plastic container, add 10,000 drops of marble water, then add the “boiled” drops, 4 only. Shake gently so that the drops iniquity and mix well.

Are you seriously going to tell me that a thermometer placed in the water is going to register any change. Try litre of water and 0.4 ml of boiled water mixed. Seriously.

The IPCCCCC are trying to tell us that 400 molecules in one million is significant?

To make things worser for the UNIPCCC, only 16 of those 400 are of human origin.

In marble terms, that’s 0.16 human marbles.

If you believe that 0.16 human marbles in 10,000 is dangerous the someone has lost their marbles.

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