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		<title>By: sophocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2020 03:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You, Environment Skeptic, are dangerous. You obviously know nothing of any substance about Vitamin-D and Vitamin K. Anyone taking your utterances seriously could inflict --- possibly --- life threatening harm on themselves. 

I&#039;ve said above (# 15.1.1.1.2) 
 &lt;EM&gt;Do your research properly laddie. &lt;/em&gt;
You haven&#039;t.

Your inferred advice is positively dangerous and could be life threatening. Vitamin K (K1 ) is available in more than adequate quantities in fresh vegetables and (K2) in cheeses, meat and eggs. Supplements are not readily available. Have you paused to wonder why?  Here&#039;s a hint: K = clot. What my body extracts from our diet (which is pretty good) is more than adequate: I&#039;m not a haemophiliac nor do I have any haemophilia tendencies. I do have a clotting problem with one leg but that&#039;s a vascular problem requiring a little surgery. 
 
I&#039;ve pointed out that the human body has over 3000 Vitamin D receptors, so maybe it&#039;s important. You don&#039;t seem to realize that our bodies &lt;em&gt;actually manufacture Vitamin D &lt;/em&gt; in quite large/significant quantities so it&#039;s a little difficult to overdose on it --- except through supplemental oral doses which are not recommended. Those quickly become toxic. Any more than c. 100IU per day orally is dangerous. Our body routinely makes 2000 - 10,000 IU per day (or more) given the opportunity. Regulation is through melanin --- sun tanning. 

I reiterate: &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Do your research thoroughly and properly,&lt;/em&gt; laddie. 
What you&#039;ve passed here is not only risible but dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You, Environment Skeptic, are dangerous. You obviously know nothing of any substance about Vitamin-D and Vitamin K. Anyone taking your utterances seriously could inflict &#8212; possibly &#8212; life threatening harm on themselves. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said above (# 15.1.1.1.2)<br />
 <em>Do your research properly laddie. </em><br />
You haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Your inferred advice is positively dangerous and could be life threatening. Vitamin K (K1 ) is available in more than adequate quantities in fresh vegetables and (K2) in cheeses, meat and eggs. Supplements are not readily available. Have you paused to wonder why?  Here&#8217;s a hint: K = clot. What my body extracts from our diet (which is pretty good) is more than adequate: I&#8217;m not a haemophiliac nor do I have any haemophilia tendencies. I do have a clotting problem with one leg but that&#8217;s a vascular problem requiring a little surgery. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve pointed out that the human body has over 3000 Vitamin D receptors, so maybe it&#8217;s important. You don&#8217;t seem to realize that our bodies <em>actually manufacture Vitamin D </em> in quite large/significant quantities so it&#8217;s a little difficult to overdose on it &#8212; except through supplemental oral doses which are not recommended. Those quickly become toxic. Any more than c. 100IU per day orally is dangerous. Our body routinely makes 2000 &#8211; 10,000 IU per day (or more) given the opportunity. Regulation is through melanin &#8212; sun tanning. </p>
<p>I reiterate: <em><strong>Do your research thoroughly and properly,</strong></em> laddie.<br />
What you&#8217;ve passed here is not only risible but dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: sophocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vitamin K? K for Klot? I have no trouble at all with having my blood clot. Quite the reverse: I&#039;ve been treated since the start of last year with blood thinners because of blood clots in one or my legs. 

I lost a good friend at work some years ago to a DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis Thrombosis = blood clot) which got into a lung and suffocated him. 

If you want to take Vitamin Klot, then go ahead. Don&#039;t expect to see me at your funeral.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Vitamin K plays a key role in helping the blood clot, preventing excessive bleeding. Unlike many other vitamins, vitamin K is not typically used as a dietary supplement.
...

While vitamin K deficiencies are uncommon, you may be at higher risk if you:
- Have a disease that affects absorption in the digestive tract, such as Crohn&#039;s disease or active celiac disease
-    Take drugs that interfere with vitamin K absorption
-    Are severely malnourished
-    Drink alcohol heavily
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you have a vitamin K deficiency, Environment Skeptic then I would advise you leave the booze strictly alone and eat more &lt;em&gt;fresh food/em K1 is from vegetables (go Vegan!) and K2 is from eggs, meats, and some bacteria. Yes, you can eat eggs, meats and cheeses until the cows come home &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;But so what? &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/supplement-guide-vitamin-k#1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vitamin K? K for Klot? I have no trouble at all with having my blood clot. Quite the reverse: I&#8217;ve been treated since the start of last year with blood thinners because of blood clots in one or my legs. </p>
<p>I lost a good friend at work some years ago to a DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis Thrombosis = blood clot) which got into a lung and suffocated him. </p>
<p>If you want to take Vitamin Klot, then go ahead. Don&#8217;t expect to see me at your funeral.</p>
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Vitamin K plays a key role in helping the blood clot, preventing excessive bleeding. Unlike many other vitamins, vitamin K is not typically used as a dietary supplement.<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>While vitamin K deficiencies are uncommon, you may be at higher risk if you:<br />
- Have a disease that affects absorption in the digestive tract, such as Crohn&#8217;s disease or active celiac disease<br />
-    Take drugs that interfere with vitamin K absorption<br />
-    Are severely malnourished<br />
-    Drink alcohol heavily
</p></blockquote>
<p>If you have a vitamin K deficiency, Environment Skeptic then I would advise you leave the booze strictly alone and eat more <em>fresh food/em K1 is from vegetables (go Vegan!) and K2 is from eggs, meats, and some bacteria. Yes, you can eat eggs, meats and cheeses until the cows come home </em><em><strong>But so what? </strong></em><br />
<a href="https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/supplement-guide-vitamin-k#1" rel="nofollow">https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/supplement-guide-vitamin-k#1</a></p>
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		<title>By: AbysmalSpectator</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbysmalSpectator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2020 06:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

&quot;The Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch is exacting in his diction, even for an epidemiologist. Twice in our conversation he started to say something, then paused and said, “Actually, let me start again.” So it’s striking when one of the points he wanted to get exactly right was this: “I think the likely outcome is that it will ultimately not be containable.”&quot;

Lipsitch predicts 40% to 70% of the world&#039;s population will be infected within 12 months and has asserting similar things in public since mid-February.

For what it is worth I knew Marc quite well a couple of decades back and this quotation captures his nature perfectly. He and I did our D.Phil&#039;s at the same time and published a paper on the evolution of virulence together, and this quote brought back the sort of conversations I had with him. He is careful in his thought, methodical and quite sober, an expert of the highest order and intellectually generous. So when he says there is going to be a pandemic I take it very seriously.

From my own limited understanding of epidemiology, the moment this virus appeared on my radar in January everything about it has scared the **** out of me. Relatively high fatality rates (10 to 20+ times higher than the flu), together with asymptomatic spreading via aerosol, droplets and probably through faecal matter as well...and it started in China.

But its not the disease that worries me so much as the supply chain issues and the financial and commercial chaos that will follow should this pick up steam. The world is loaded up with debt like never before and this could be just the sort of thing to bring about the next big financial crisis and I don&#039;t think we will get out of that mess as &quot;easily&quot; as we did in 2008/9. Way too many businesses and homes are teetering on the edge, so a couple of months of no income and the banks will come calling...and then dropping asset prices will stuff the banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/" rel="nofollow">https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch is exacting in his diction, even for an epidemiologist. Twice in our conversation he started to say something, then paused and said, “Actually, let me start again.” So it’s striking when one of the points he wanted to get exactly right was this: “I think the likely outcome is that it will ultimately not be containable.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Lipsitch predicts 40% to 70% of the world&#8217;s population will be infected within 12 months and has asserting similar things in public since mid-February.</p>
<p>For what it is worth I knew Marc quite well a couple of decades back and this quotation captures his nature perfectly. He and I did our D.Phil&#8217;s at the same time and published a paper on the evolution of virulence together, and this quote brought back the sort of conversations I had with him. He is careful in his thought, methodical and quite sober, an expert of the highest order and intellectually generous. So when he says there is going to be a pandemic I take it very seriously.</p>
<p>From my own limited understanding of epidemiology, the moment this virus appeared on my radar in January everything about it has scared the **** out of me. Relatively high fatality rates (10 to 20+ times higher than the flu), together with asymptomatic spreading via aerosol, droplets and probably through faecal matter as well&#8230;and it started in China.</p>
<p>But its not the disease that worries me so much as the supply chain issues and the financial and commercial chaos that will follow should this pick up steam. The world is loaded up with debt like never before and this could be just the sort of thing to bring about the next big financial crisis and I don&#8217;t think we will get out of that mess as &#8220;easily&#8221; as we did in 2008/9. Way too many businesses and homes are teetering on the edge, so a couple of months of no income and the banks will come calling&#8230;and then dropping asset prices will stuff the banks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rereke Whakaaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rereke Whakaaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2020 07:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is probably a disturbance in the matrix.

Unless you are too old to get the reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is probably a disturbance in the matrix.</p>
<p>Unless you are too old to get the reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Rereke Whakaaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rereke Whakaaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2020 06:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many South Koreans, lost their lives during the Korean War?

We need to keep a sense of perspective, regarding on the magnitude of what we might be facing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many South Koreans, lost their lives during the Korean War?</p>
<p>We need to keep a sense of perspective, regarding on the magnitude of what we might be facing!</p>
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		<title>By: Environment Skeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Environment Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2020 00:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thing about Vitamin K2 is that unlike all you mention, only K2 is GRAS (generally regarded as safe). At any dose!

There is new research that is now showing that vitamin D3 without K2 is not good. I will get some references later this evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thing about Vitamin K2 is that unlike all you mention, only K2 is GRAS (generally regarded as safe). At any dose!</p>
<p>There is new research that is now showing that vitamin D3 without K2 is not good. I will get some references later this evening.</p>
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		<title>By: sophocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well: it&#039;s not a good morning today. Here&#039;s the rest of it:

1. Health Science Department, International Graduate Institute of the Open University of Catalonia (UOC), Barcelona, Spain
2. Animal Genetics and Integrative Biology Unit (GABI), INRA, AgroParisTech, Université Paris-Saclay, Jouy-en-Josas, France

Have I left anything out? Hmm, can&#039;t see it ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well: it&#8217;s not a good morning today. Here&#8217;s the rest of it:</p>
<p>1. Health Science Department, International Graduate Institute of the Open University of Catalonia (UOC), Barcelona, Spain<br />
2. Animal Genetics and Integrative Biology Unit (GABI), INRA, AgroParisTech, Université Paris-Saclay, Jouy-en-Josas, France</p>
<p>Have I left anything out? Hmm, can&#8217;t see it &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sophocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops: I omitted attribution for the first paper in the above list. That was naughty so here it is:
 
Authors: Allison Clark1* and imageNúria Mach1,2
Date: 2016</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops: I omitted attribution for the first paper in the above list. That was naughty so here it is:</p>
<p>Authors: Allison Clark1* and imageNúria Mach1,2<br />
Date: 2016</p>
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		<title>By: sophocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of interest: Vitamin D has c. 3000 receptors throughout the human body. Maybe that makes Vitamin D &lt;em&gt; important&lt;/em&gt;. 

It&#039;s been closely linked with the human immune system since the early 1920s. Maybe that also indicates the importance of Vitamin D to the human immune system. 

A few more from my collection of papers:

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2016.00627/full
Role of Vitamin D in the Hygiene Hypothesis: The Interplay between Vitamin D, Vitamin D Receptors, Gut Microbiota, and Immune Response

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/91/5/1255/4597253
Randomized trial of vitamin D supplementation to prevent seasonal influenza A in schoolchildren.
Urashima M1, Segawa T, Okazaki M, Kurihara M, Wada Y, Ida H. 2010 

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/91/5/1255/4597253
Vitamin D and Influenza—Prevention or Therapy?
Beata M. Gruber-Bzura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of interest: Vitamin D has c. 3000 receptors throughout the human body. Maybe that makes Vitamin D <em> important</em>. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been closely linked with the human immune system since the early 1920s. Maybe that also indicates the importance of Vitamin D to the human immune system. </p>
<p>A few more from my collection of papers:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2016.00627/full" rel="nofollow">https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2016.00627/full</a><br />
Role of Vitamin D in the Hygiene Hypothesis: The Interplay between Vitamin D, Vitamin D Receptors, Gut Microbiota, and Immune Response</p>
<p><a href="https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/91/5/1255/4597253" rel="nofollow">https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/91/5/1255/4597253</a><br />
Randomized trial of vitamin D supplementation to prevent seasonal influenza A in schoolchildren.<br />
Urashima M1, Segawa T, Okazaki M, Kurihara M, Wada Y, Ida H. 2010 </p>
<p><a href="https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/91/5/1255/4597253" rel="nofollow">https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/91/5/1255/4597253</a><br />
Vitamin D and Influenza—Prevention or Therapy?<br />
Beata M. Gruber-Bzura</p>
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		<title>By: sophocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because it may be the best defence. 
You will notice that there is a &#039;flu&#039; and `colds&#039; season. It&#039;s always c. the second half of winter and early spring. That&#039;s the time of year when a population&#039;s Vitamin D bottoms out. (Vitamin D is not known as the `Sunshine Vitamin&#039; for nothing.) 

&quot;https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/does-vitamin-d-protect-against-respiratory-viral-infections/7FDF0857C837FD464453882220BB7B29/core-reader

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&amp;q=A+randomized+controlled+trial+of+vitamin+D3+supplementation+for+the+prevention+of+symptomatic+upper+respiratory+tract+infections%2C%22+Li-Ng+

&quot;&lt;em&gt;The vitamin D–antimicrobial peptide pathway and its role in protection against infection&lt;/em&gt;
A. Gombart 2009 HHS Public Access https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821804/

Just a few papers ... I have more. Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because it may be the best defence.<br />
You will notice that there is a &#8216;flu&#8217; and `colds&#8217; season. It&#8217;s always c. the second half of winter and early spring. That&#8217;s the time of year when a population&#8217;s Vitamin D bottoms out. (Vitamin D is not known as the `Sunshine Vitamin&#8217; for nothing.) </p>
<p>&#8220;https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/does-vitamin-d-protect-against-respiratory-viral-infections/7FDF0857C837FD464453882220BB7B29/core-reader</p>
<p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&#038;q=A+randomized+controlled+trial+of+vitamin+D3+supplementation+for+the+prevention+of+symptomatic+upper+respiratory+tract+infections%2C%22+Li-Ng+" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&#038;q=A+randomized+controlled+trial+of+vitamin+D3+supplementation+for+the+prevention+of+symptomatic+upper+respiratory+tract+infections%2C%22+Li-Ng+</a></p>
<p>&#8220;<em>The vitamin D–antimicrobial peptide pathway and its role in protection against infection</em><br />
A. Gombart 2009 HHS Public Access <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821804/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821804/</a></p>
<p>Just a few papers &#8230; I have more. Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: sophocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 12:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see, it&#039;s like paracetamol: at recommended dosage levels, paracetamol is a very useful analgesic for most people. Above those levels, it can inflict liver and kidney damage to the point of organ failure which can mean death. Does that prospect stop people from using it? Don&#039;t be silly ...

I don&#039;t use paracetamol. It seems to have some sex-based properties and doesn&#039;t work for up to 35% of the male sex. It has zero effect for me. I don&#039;t know what proportion of the female half of the species misses out on it if any, so don&#039;t bother asking. Go find out for yourself. 

That&#039;s a property of many compounds we use medically: excellent in appropriate doses and anywhere from unhealthy through dangerous to deadly if abused. 

Vitamin D in proper dosage is actually anti-atherosclerotic. 

Do your research properly laddie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see, it&#8217;s like paracetamol: at recommended dosage levels, paracetamol is a very useful analgesic for most people. Above those levels, it can inflict liver and kidney damage to the point of organ failure which can mean death. Does that prospect stop people from using it? Don&#8217;t be silly &#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use paracetamol. It seems to have some sex-based properties and doesn&#8217;t work for up to 35% of the male sex. It has zero effect for me. I don&#8217;t know what proportion of the female half of the species misses out on it if any, so don&#8217;t bother asking. Go find out for yourself. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a property of many compounds we use medically: excellent in appropriate doses and anywhere from unhealthy through dangerous to deadly if abused. </p>
<p>Vitamin D in proper dosage is actually anti-atherosclerotic. </p>
<p>Do your research properly laddie.</p>
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		<title>By: sophocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Environment Skeptic. 

That&#039;s what happens if you take too much orally. Didn&#039;t you know that?

It&#039;s best to not to take it orally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Environment Skeptic. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what happens if you take too much orally. Didn&#8217;t you know that?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s best to not to take it orally.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Nova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Nova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 06:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree. Coronaviruses are obvious threats and hence it would be amazing if there were no forward predictions or propheses. Well put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree. Coronaviruses are obvious threats and hence it would be amazing if there were no forward predictions or propheses. Well put.</p>
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		<title>By: truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 04:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it wouldn&#039;t be effective enough...but it&#039;s impossible to imagine an Australian government closing the border with Indonesia for anyone but the people-smugglers and asylum seekers...so short of a universal lock-down of Australia ...which must feature somewhere in their plan...I guess we&#039;ve just got to wing it.

Indonesia put itself in a special category when it declared it had no cases...knowing no Australian politicians or health authorities would be game to ask if they were testing people presenting with cold symptoms....although our health authorities could find a way to ask without offending...by assuming they actually are testing and ask what their regime is or some other generic question.

If they have got cases I suppose it will soon become known anyway.

If Indonesia has cases and Indonesians are entering Australia at will..and Australians are going back and forth to Bali...it will emerge...hopefully before  all the other precautions are for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it wouldn&#8217;t be effective enough&#8230;but it&#8217;s impossible to imagine an Australian government closing the border with Indonesia for anyone but the people-smugglers and asylum seekers&#8230;so short of a universal lock-down of Australia &#8230;which must feature somewhere in their plan&#8230;I guess we&#8217;ve just got to wing it.</p>
<p>Indonesia put itself in a special category when it declared it had no cases&#8230;knowing no Australian politicians or health authorities would be game to ask if they were testing people presenting with cold symptoms&#8230;.although our health authorities could find a way to ask without offending&#8230;by assuming they actually are testing and ask what their regime is or some other generic question.</p>
<p>If they have got cases I suppose it will soon become known anyway.</p>
<p>If Indonesia has cases and Indonesians are entering Australia at will..and Australians are going back and forth to Bali&#8230;it will emerge&#8230;hopefully before  all the other precautions are for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Caltrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caltrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 04:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corona virus

Older versions of the book refer to the disease as &quot;Gorki-400.&quot; (Twitter photo)

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3875669
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&quot;............Another weird thing I noticed was Google’s featured result along the right of the results page when you search for the book.

http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Screenshot_2020-02-22-dean-koontz-eyes-of-darkness-Google-Search.png

The book was obviously not released in 2020, as it even makes it clear below the description that the book was first published in 1981. And who is American writer Rob Hopkins? The only Rob Hopkins writer I was turning up is an environmental activist from England. Is this some kind of breadcrumb being left for us? When you click on the Wikipedia description, the factual information turns up.

http://www.renegadetribune.com/dean-koontz-book-predicted-bioweapon-from-wuhan-spreads-throughout-world-in-2020/
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While it&#039;s pretty cool to see films, series, and books make &quot;predictions&quot; to actual events, this crime author from Hong Kong sees it as no big deal.

In fact, Chan Ho-kei when interviewed by the South China Morning Post said such &quot;prophecies&quot; can be spotted. 

https://sm.mashable.com/t/mashable_sea/photo/default/asterix-coronavirus_pg5a.960.jpg

“If you look really hard, I bet you can spot prophecies for almost all events. It makes me think about the ‘infinite monkey’ theorem,” he says.

The &#039;infinite monkey&#039; is a theory where if a monkey hits the keys on a typewriter randomly, it will result in a text. Chan says the probability is low but it&#039;s possible. 

https://sea.mashable.com/culture/9179/people-are-claiming-that-this-novel-predicted-the-covid-19-virus-did-it-really</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corona virus</p>
<p>Older versions of the book refer to the disease as &#8220;Gorki-400.&#8221; (Twitter photo)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3875669" rel="nofollow">https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3875669</a><br />
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&#8220;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Another weird thing I noticed was Google’s featured result along the right of the results page when you search for the book.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Screenshot_2020-02-22-dean-koontz-eyes-of-darkness-Google-Search.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Screenshot_2020-02-22-dean-koontz-eyes-of-darkness-Google-Search.png</a></p>
<p>The book was obviously not released in 2020, as it even makes it clear below the description that the book was first published in 1981. And who is American writer Rob Hopkins? The only Rob Hopkins writer I was turning up is an environmental activist from England. Is this some kind of breadcrumb being left for us? When you click on the Wikipedia description, the factual information turns up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.renegadetribune.com/dean-koontz-book-predicted-bioweapon-from-wuhan-spreads-throughout-world-in-2020/" rel="nofollow">http://www.renegadetribune.com/dean-koontz-book-predicted-bioweapon-from-wuhan-spreads-throughout-world-in-2020/</a><br />
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While it&#8217;s pretty cool to see films, series, and books make &#8220;predictions&#8221; to actual events, this crime author from Hong Kong sees it as no big deal.</p>
<p>In fact, Chan Ho-kei when interviewed by the South China Morning Post said such &#8220;prophecies&#8221; can be spotted. </p>
<p><a href="https://sm.mashable.com/t/mashable_sea/photo/default/asterix-coronavirus_pg5a.960.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://sm.mashable.com/t/mashable_sea/photo/default/asterix-coronavirus_pg5a.960.jpg</a></p>
<p>“If you look really hard, I bet you can spot prophecies for almost all events. It makes me think about the ‘infinite monkey’ theorem,” he says.</p>
<p>The &#8216;infinite monkey&#8217; is a theory where if a monkey hits the keys on a typewriter randomly, it will result in a text. Chan says the probability is low but it&#8217;s possible. </p>
<p><a href="https://sea.mashable.com/culture/9179/people-are-claiming-that-this-novel-predicted-the-covid-19-virus-did-it-really" rel="nofollow">https://sea.mashable.com/culture/9179/people-are-claiming-that-this-novel-predicted-the-covid-19-virus-did-it-really</a></p>
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