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Livestreaming EIKE Climate conference in Munich

The mob tried to shut down these dangerous speakers… but they didn’t win.. though they had to find another venue with only days to go.

The program for the 13th Annual Conference

Friday James Taylor then Benny Pieser, the Dr Helmut Alt,

After lunch, Peter Ridd, Dr. Michael Schnell, Dr Nicola Scaffetta, Dr Susan Crockford, Myron Ebell.

Saturday: Prof. em. Dr. Christian Schlüchter, Prof. Dr. Nicola Scafetta, Prof. Dr. Henrik Svensmark, Prof. Dr. Nir Shaviv

After lunch, Dipl.-Ing. Michael Limburg, Dr. Sebastian Lüning, Prof. Dr. Horst Lüdecke, Dr. Lutz Niemann, Dr. rer. nat. Götz Ruprecht, Günter Ederer, Wolfgang Müller

I know they have good translators working non-stop. Some of this is in German, much is in English.

EIKE – European Climate and Energy Institute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f-fmtLcB1I

The program for the 13th Annual Conference

Friday, 22 November
10.00 Hrs Welcome and Introduction
Defending Science
Dr. Holger Thuß
President, Europäisches Institut für Klima und Energie (EIKE)
10.15 Hrs Welcome
Dealing with Climate Alarmism in the United States
James Taylor
Senior fellow for environment and energy policy at The Heartland Institute
17.45 Hrs EU Klimapolitik und der Brexit
Dr. Benny Peiser
Director, Global Warming Policy Foundation
11.15 Hrs Technically almost everything is possible…
Energy-Transformation between Dream and Reality
Prof. Dr. Helmut Alt
University of Applied Sciences, Aachen
12.15 Hrs – 13.45 Hrs Break – Joint Lunch at the Conference Centre
13.45 Hrs The Real Condition of the Great Barrier Reef
Prof. Dr. Peter Ridd – 
via Skype
Former head of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Australia
14.15 Hrs The Influence of Green House Gases on Climate: Research in the Field and in the Laboratory
Dr. Michael Schnell
Universität Rostock, Zentralinstitut für organische Chemie Berlin-Adlershof Feinchemie Schwebda GmbH
15.30 Hrs Detection of UHI bias in China climate network using Tmin and Tmax surface temperature divergence
Prof. Dr. Nicola Scafetta
Università di Napoli Federico II, Dipartimento di Scienze della Terra
16.15 Hrs – 16.45 Hrs Break
16.45 Hrs The Polar Bear Catastrophe that never happened
Dr. Susan Crockford
Scientist and author
17.45 Hrs US Climate Policy 3 years after the Presidential Election – Talk and Discussion via Skype
Myron Ebell
Head of President-elect Trump’s Transition Team to reform the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and quitting the Paris-Agreement, Director of Energy & Environmental Policy, Competitive Enterprise Institute
18.45 Hrs Joint Dinner
Saturday, 23 November
9.00 Hrs Climate Change and the melting Alpine Glaciers
Prof. em. Dr. Christian Schlüchter
University of Bern, Institute for Geologie
10.00 Hrs About the Reliability of Climate Models
Prof. Dr. Nicola Scafetta
Università di Napoli Federico II, Dipartimento di Scienze della Terra
10.45 Hrs – 11.15 Hrs Break
11.15 Hrs Which Role did the Sun Play in Climate Change? What does it mean for us?
Prof. Dr. Henrik Svensmark
Centre for Sun-Climate Research des Danish National Space CentreProf. Dr. Nir Shaviv
Racah Institute of Physics – The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
13.00 Hrs – 14.30 Hrs Break – Joint Lunch at the Conference Center
14.30 Hrs What you always wanted to know about Climate Change…
Dipl.-Ing. Michael Limburg

Vice-President, Europäisches Institut für Klima und Energie (EIKE)
15.00 Hrs How much of the Climate is man-made
Dr. Sebastian Lüning
Die kalte Sonne
15.45 Hrs Natural Limitations of the German Energy Transition
Prof. Dr. Horst Lüdecke
Press Spokes Person, Europäisches Institut für Klima und Energie (EIKE)
16.15 Hrs – 16.45 Hrs Break
16.45 Hrs Climate Panic – Radiation Panic
Dr. Lutz Niemann
Physicist and former Radiation Protection Officer
17.30 Hrs Nuclear Power of the 21st Century
Dr. rer. nat. Götz Ruprecht

Institute for Solid State-Nuclear Physics gGmbH
18.15 Hrs Saving the Climate by Abolishing Democracy?
Günter Ederer
Author, Film Producer and Economic Editor
18.45 Hrs Closing Remarks
Wolfgang Müller
Generals Secretary, Europäisches Institut für Klima und Energie (EIKE)
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55 comments to Livestreaming EIKE Climate conference in Munich

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    graham dunton

    2019-11-23-
    Thanks, as always Jo,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f-fmtLcB1I

    Y2mate, to download this is the link that will work

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f-fmtLcB1I&feature=emb_logo

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    Stonyground

    Silencing the opposition has always been the strategy of those who have no case. What I’ve never understood is the mentality of those who know that they have no case but don’t change their minds. If you hold beliefs that are so fragile that you need to prevent them from coming into contact with reality in case they get broken, that means that you are almost certainly wrong.

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      Brian

      This has always been the way of religious beliefs regardless of deity or deities. You can reason with logic and convince or be convinced, but logic and facts are impotent against a belief. Ever thought about how many Christians and Muslims, despite the massive amount of contrary evidence, that truly believe that the world was created in six days, not all that long ago? The acolytes of the CO2 global warming religion are no different.

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    diogenese2

    It is good to see Dr Benny Peiser addressing the conference.
    I hope he draws attention to two adjacent reports today on his own blog which should act as a wakeup call to our brainwashed politicians.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/redundancies-bankruptcies-unrealistic-power-contracts-the-wind-industry-crisis-deepens/

    and

    https://www.thegwpf.com/fracking-saved-americans-1-1-trillion-over-past-decade-new-report/

    There, in black and white, is the actual outcome of contrasting approaches to the future of the western nations. Coupled with the quite obvious abandonment of the Paris Agreement by the “developing ” nations of Asia this is precipitating the existential crisis within the alarmist community. Most interesting is that the 2 weeks of COP25 will immediately precede voting in our (UK) general election! Woe betide those parties most vociferously committed to “zero emissions”.
    The current hysterical reaction by the committed alarmists was,of course, well anticipated by The Bard in Macbeth Act 3 Scene 4;
    “I am in blood
    Stepped in so far that,
    should I wade no more,
    returning were as tedious
    as go o’er”

    They have no choice now than to play out the endgame.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Brought to you exclusively by fossil-fuels:

    “A group of anti-global warming protesters gathered outside the Council of Australian Governments’ Energy Council Meeting on St Georges Terrace, as the group of Australian doctors and professors, including celebrated scientist Tim Flannery and former premier Carmen Lawrence, released their letter to the Premier and Cabinet.”

    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/scientists-call-for-zero-carbon-act-as-protesters-picket-energy-ministers-in-perth-20191122-p53d9z.html

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    nb

    Climategate = deep state.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    What is new? What original, soon to be published research is here? What can not be ascertained in 5 minutes on Google? This is like coldplay’s greatest hits tour.

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      WXcycles

      And a whole lot more interesting than you, or anyone like you.

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      Geoffrey Williams

      It may not be new or original to you Fitzy, but when a group of people, all well qualified scientist and researchers and specialsits in their fields, get together and speak out against the the mainstream, indoctrinated groupthink that is ‘climate change’ then it is something very special.
      Hopefully they will get enough honest media coverage in order to make more people aware of the alternative view of climate change change and energy production in a rapidly growing world hungry for a better future. And something better than the climate extinction mob who offer nothing, but instead want to tear up and destroy everthing we humans have ever achieved.
      All these people attending the EIKE Conference are to applauded for their courage and conviction for standing up to the bullying of of the left wing clmate facists, backed by an equally aggressive and one-eyed media
      GeoffW

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Climate Change and the melting Alpine Glaciers
        Prof. em. Dr. Christian Schlüchter
        University of Bern, Institute for Geologie

        Published in 2006 or 13 years ago

        Which Role did the Sun Play in Climate Change? What does it mean for us?
        Prof. Dr. Henrik Svensmark
        Centre for Sun-Climate Research des Danish National Space CentreProf. Dr. Nir Shaviv
        Racah Institute of Physics – The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

        published in 2007 or 12 years ago.

        my point stands

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          Peter, love reading your psychic prophesies. Did not realize you could foresee what Svensmark and Shaviv would say in updates of their work. Perhaps you could do their speeches for them here in Australia, save them the trip? Though you might struggle with questions…

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    New study reveals that water vapor increase is a contributor to climate change and CO2 has no significant effect. https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com/

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      WXcycles

      So, like, ocean circulation cycles induce a multi-decadal warming phase of the planet, which increases the humidity level? And H20 gas is the most abundant strong greenhouse gas, thus rising humidity from the ocean H20 gas release increases the warming, and then CO2 rises but as a response to humidity rising first, and not the other way around?

      But when the ocean warming phase of the circulation cycle plays out, the extra humidity input decreases, and the H20 induced warming attenuates, and temps begin to fall again, and then CO2 begins to fall in lagged fashion, but as a response to falling humidity (due change ocean cycle phases), and not the other way around?

      Meanwhile, simultaneously over-printing solar-activity cycles alter ozone levels and locations, and the reduced solar activity reduces atmospheric thicknesses, at all altitudes, and that changes the seasonal jetstream flows from zonal (active sunspots thus less cloudy and NET warming the planet) to Meridional (inactive sunspots, thus more cloudy and NET cooling the planet).

      Yeah, could be.

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        WXcycles

        Gawd forbid those two cycles should ever get into phase with each other … as you could start to see earlier and longer as well as colder winters, and may break long-standing cold records and get a shorter springs and autumns.

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        Slithers

        H2O gas is probably non-existent, except in a laboratory. Lots of H2O as Water Vapor though, and NASA states H20 is a trace gas! There are no data for what percentage is Water Vapor in our atmosphere

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          WXcycles

          When it sublimates or evaporates it is a gas, when it condenses it is a vapor.

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            Slithers

            Could not find any data to support that theory. H2O is indeed defined as a gas, but why then does NASA say it is just a trace gas while giving CO2 a specific percentage?
            If H2O exists as a gas in the atmosphere it has a very, very short life as it is the most hydroscopic stuff with great attraction to other H2O forming water vapor rather than be a gas which would be vastly more energetic than the surrounding air. Smoking ocean water is evidence of visible water vapor being released as cold winds race across warm ocean water.

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          Vapor is an unfortunate word because it is used to refer to both a gas such as water vapor and commonly also as something you can see. If you can see it, it is not a gas (separate molecules) but is a condensed liquid (millions of molecules in each clump such as a cloud particle). Perhaps a better understanding can be realized from a closer read of the linked article.
          Water vapor (the gas) varies from near zero percent to more than 4%. It varies in both altitude and latitude as shown in Figure 3 (and associated Ref 4) at the link.

          The following is an animation of global WV measurements through the years: https://www.eldoradoweather.com/climate/GlobalMaps/Water%20Vapor/watervapor.php

          Short term global WV fluctuations track el Ninos while long term trends track increasing irrigated area which is now more than 4 times the area of France. Further explanation is at http://globalclimatedrivers2.blogspot.com

          The life-time of WV in the atmosphere is not relevant because it is continuously replaced.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      this would be true, but for the human contributions in both CO2 H20 methane, etc etc.

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        WXcycles

        For which the naughty planet stubbornly refuses to track the completely failed IPCC Infallible™ cAGW models.

        Apparently the planet is a deniah.

        In Geology we presume the planet’s sedimentary strata is correct and our theories are wrong, if there’s a clear disagreement. The cAGW religion presumes IPCC Infallible™ cAGW models must be right, and the planet must be wrong, when there’s a clear disagreement between observations and models.

        The hallmark of science is that it falsifies and discards failed theories, whereas cAGW just calls the models kinda ‘good’ and keeps using them regardless. Thus Climate-Science™ has degenerated into complete nonsense that has demonstrated zero useful predictive power.

        In other words, garbage.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          love an unprovable assertion, particularly with bold bits.

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          Another Ian

          WXC

          Re “the completely failed IPCC Infallible™ cAGW models.”

          “E.M.Smith says:
          22 November 2019 at 7:33 pm

          @Larry L:

          Exactly why I’ve made so little progress on a DIY climate model. The ones I’ve downloaded and examined are crap, and pondering how to “Roll My Own” has generally resulted in anything that looked like a promising direction suffering the same kind of complexity and missing steps / data crap issues.

          I’m not giving up on it, but it has made me painfully aware of just how useless are the existing set of “climate models”.

          They do not include ANY changes in the Sun at all.
          The atmosphere does not change height / density at altitudes.
          Solar spectrum and amount are constants (IF they look at spectrum at all).
          CO2 is coded to have an effect. (i.e. designed to be causal).
          Ozone modulation ignored.
          No Cosmic rays
          Clouds cumbersome and wrong at best, a plug number average at worst.
          At best, volcanic aerosols are plug numbers from historical records or just made up.
          No allowance for changed particulates / aerosols from Smog Control.
          PDO / AMO etc. are not present or are expected to emerge, but don’t. Forget the other “teleconnections” entirely.
          Ocean treated as a single digit number of ‘layers’. Just how do you get things like Gulf Stream with eddies and all from that? What about continental shelves?
          Mountains? What mountains?…
          Resolution of about 8K to 16K cells in some of them. Forget about Lake Erie and Rhode Island, they are too small to show up. Lake Effect snow without the lake?
          Millankovitch inputs ignored. (Not seen one yet with precession, obliquity, eccentricity)
          and more.

          Maybe I ought to do an article…”

          https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2019/11/21/sun-temperatures-valentina-zharkova/#comment-120121

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            Another Ian

            “How Much Sun Could A Sunshine Shine?”

            https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/11/23/how-much-sun-could-a-sunshine-shine/

            “I leave it to the reader to consider and discuss the implications of all of that. One thing is obvious. Since they can all hindcast quite well, this means that they must have counteracting errors that are canceling each other out.

            And on my planet, getting the right answer for the wrong reasons is … well … scary.”

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            WXcycles

            Nice list, I think you should submit and article.

            Resolution of about 8K to 16K cells in some of them.

            This alone is a significant problem, in as much as it is also a problem for WX model skill, and geographic forecast location accuracy and timing. Cumulative error is inevitable. This is addressed a bit by improving parameter inputs of the starting conditions but not by much, and not for long. The skill still doesn’t improve much over time.

            Given climate models have these same resolution limited approaches and the same problems, exacerbated by all the missing starting conditions and inclusion of fudge-factors, plus the impossibility of testing a climate model for its skill level, means climate models will always be junk, there is no viable means to improve them, and without a time-machine to test and improve climate models, they will always be suspect and an unreliable pseudo-science (which is largely not the case of WX models which get tested and compared to WX outcomes daily to determine their operating skill, and to see if improvements actually improve the skill).

            But if you had a time-machine you would never need a weather or ‘Climate’ model, as you could just collate the future met records with a time-machine and you’d know what the weather and future climate will be (obviously you could not use BOM’s future record as that could be anything, and would be completely worthless hysterical nonsense).

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      WXcycles

      Conclusion
      Humanity’s contribution to planet warming is from increased atmospheric water vapor resulting nearly all from increased irrigation.

      This is not consistent with what’s seen in satellite water-vapor imagery. Rather, vapor input is controlled by winds patterns over oceans, and the distribution of thermal content in the near surface waters is what controls the global wind pattern, thus ocean circulation cycles are the net control on atmospheric humidity levels, as well as the cooling effects of wind and the warming effect of less wind. Winds also control cloud formation and precipitation.

      Irrigation may make a NET continental contribution to the global atmospheric humidity, and be a fraction of the H20 warming, but ocean cycles are the larger-scale natural driver, which we see operating in the longer-term climate-record (on time scales shorter than Milankovitch-cycle driven climate-changes) producing millennial scale climate-change features like the Little-Ice-Age and Medieval-Warming.

      That’s not anthropogenic irrigation or anthropogenic CO2 inputs producing those, that’s ocean-cycles within each basin moving in and out of phase with each other, and solar-cycles overprinting them (sun in and out of phase with oceans as well). The net effect is the Holocene climate-change record.

      Longer than the Holocene record is Milankovitch-cycle driven climate changes (being over printed with ocean and solar cycle changes).

      Irrigation is surplus to requirements to explain the changes, though there is of course an anthropogenic component to CO2 and H2O inputs in the past 100 years, but not driving it, as the MWP and LIA trends make very clear, plus the apparently shameless failure of Earth to track all UN IPCCInfallible™ cAGW models also makes very clear.

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        Lots of things which probably affect climate in the short term, average out in the long term (for most maybe less than a decade. I found that 5-year smoothing of measured average global temperature does a pretty good job).

        I got a match of 96.7% 1895 to 2018 with 5-yr smoothed measured average global temperature by accounting for WV, SSN and a saw-tooth approximation of ocean cycles. IMO the clouds are accounted for with the SSN anomaly time-integral (sort of like Svensmark). They divvy up the ~0.9 K temperature rise since 1909:
        sun 17.8%,
        ocean 21.7%,
        WV 60.5%.

        Evaporation from the ocean area got the planet about 33 K which made it warm enough for life as we know it to evolve. The added area now under irrigation (previously dry), about 4 times the area of France, got us another ~0.54 K.

        NASA/RSS have been measuring TPW (Total Precipitable Water, i.e. sum of water vapor molecules all the way up) by satellite and reporting it monthly since 1988 at http://www.remss.com/measurements/atmospheric-water-vapor/tpw-1-deg-product . Fig 3 in my blog/analysis at http://globalclimatedrivers2.blogspot.com is a graph of the NASA/RSS numerical data and includes a rational extrapolation back to 1700. When normalized by dividing by the averages, the NASA/RSS data are corroborated by NCEP R1 and NCEP R2. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/09/does-global-warming-increase-total-atmospheric-water-vapor-tpw/

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    pat

    thanks for the link. will watch some when time allows.

    one point. it is time to call out the use of the term “climate change” as a corollary for “manmade global warming caused by carbon dioxide emissions”.

    those falsely using the term “climate change” and, even worse, “climate denier”, are, in fact, the real climate change deniers.

    22 Nov: CFACT: The Climate change money machine
    by Dr. Jay Lehr
    https://www.cfact.org/2019/11/22/the-climate-change-money-machine/

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    Zane

    I note Jeremy Corbyn is fully onboard the Climate Express. Doesn’t say much for the UK left’s understanding of science – or energy economics.

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    The hostility is easier to understand if one is a conspiracy theorist. Like me, for example.

    What if all we know of built and permanent settlements could only be dated through a short period with a very narrow band of temps, namely the temps from around ten thousand years ago till now? (Gobekli Tepe was not settled, as far as can be known.) Which means that there is no evidence that our way of life can be sustained in temps consistently below, and mostly well below, all we have experienced as civilisation-builders over a very brief interglacial. Think of the scale of agriculture in N China, Canada, N Europe and the Ukraine-Russian grain belt etc. Think of lacking all that.

    Yes, things got a bit warm, wet and lively for a few thousand years after about eight thousand years ago. There we some chills (and consequent droughts) which brought down dynasties in more recent times. But overall it’s been an extremely narrow and survivable band of temps. Unlike all that came before and what certainly is to come according to just about all science except the GameBoy science of the climate-botherers.

    Stay with me, fellow conspiracy theorists…

    What if the end of the Holocene, a certainty in the medium term at least, is so large and obvious and hard to contemplate that a giant distraction is needed?

    Now…what might that distraction be? What shape would it take?

    I’m not certain of all this, but I’m surprised at how little discussion it attracts, since our interglacial must end fairly soon. Fiddling the atmosphere can’t change the massive influences internal and external which govern the guts of earth and its orbits, tilts, wobbles etc. So I’ll volunteer to seem potty and talk about it…while I’m free to do so.

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      An addendum…

      YouTube, which was a pleasantly lawless frontier for a bit, is now a solid globalist front, and a very important one. (I suspect the lawless frontier period was designed to draw us in so we could be quietly corralled…But I’m a conspiracy theorist so I would think that.)

      When I sign in to YT I’m presented with videos to match my interests. Lately I’ve noticed how deeply conformist and propagandist these “suggestions” have become. It’s like an extra rail is added to the thought-corral every week.

      I don’t normally go with any sus suggestions but decided to try this one for a lark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM_Ce3ITLtA

      The trick is to get you involved and then get you to swallow that sharp little pill of propaganda. The “message” is as absurd as it is vague and manipulative…but a few minutes of distraction and conditioning is all it takes when you are copping distraction and conditioning from many other sources.

      The investment in the climate panic is so massive that organising a few ratbags to shut down a skeptic conference would be peanuts expenditure.

      So, returning to my point in the comment above, is there a motive beyond the lower motive of plunder and even beyond the higher motive of control? It’s a long time between cosy interglacials, people. Is it possible that something so big and obvious can be obscured by nagging about its opposite? They are certainly going to extreme lengths to nag.

      As to whether the climate beat-up really is deliberate distraction or just mass neurosis…I dunno, but I’m going to think about it and raise the matter when I can. Being a conspiracy theorist is like being a St George supporter. I know how sad it looks but I’m past caring about looks.

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        Roger Knights

        “is there a motive beyond the lower motive of plunder and even beyond the higher motive of control?”

        Alarm is the likely one. I.e., many of the alarmists are actually so alarmed that they are going all-out to spread their message.

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      WXcycles

      Not so sure the Holocene is about to end, the orbital geometry of the Milankovitch-cycle trends indicate it will persist for a few thousand years longer. Though that would make the current interglacial longer than most.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GUcn07enz4&app=desktop

      Don’t see why a conspiracy needs to be involved.

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        Depends on what we mean by medium term and about-to-end. Decline would be a better word than end in any case.

        I wouldn’t anticipate being able to note changes over a lifetime, though that is possible at some point in the decline from interglacial. It should also be noted that global cooling could result in lots of high maxima due to less moisture, so the sense of things cooling would be distorted.

        But thanks for the interesting link. Lots to think on there. And lots more to be known on an unpopular subject.

        What I find more than odd is the lack of discussion of something so big and so inevitable while sheer blather is talked about Mars, Arctic real estate investment and the like. In a few hundred years (possibly) or in a few thousand years (certainly) we will be faced with cooler and drier (globally though not uniformly). Man has been through that, civilisation has not.

        You’d think there’d be lots of talk about it. One can highlight the problems of agriculture on a cold and dry world…so long as it involves Matt Damon and the world is Mars. I find the silence on the decline from interglacial beyond odd. It’s not the elephant in the room, it’s the brontosaurus in the phone booth.

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          WXcycles

          Depends on what we mean by medium term and about-to-end. Decline would be a better word than end in any case. I wouldn’t anticipate being able to note changes over a lifetime, though that is possible at some point in the decline from interglacial.

          The Milankovitch cycles do the driving by the ocean and solar cycles can adjust the T decline onset point, and whether it results in a continuous plunge or a punctuated full with warming for a time. It usually rolls off then drops away fairly sharpish. Right now we’re in a roll off from prior peaks. I’m satisfied civilization should have good enough conditions to adapt until there’s a strong Milankovitch cooling orbital geometry emerging, then all bets are off.

          Rose bushes bloom then wither, to grow again the next spring. Such is life.

          Adaptation is possible (and don’t forget genetics), plus sufficient energy supplies and transport are not out of the question, but 100 k years will be a big ask to get to the next ‘Spring’ bloom. I recon we’d make it and if we do and our archaeologists are still around we may have more inspiration to diversify the habitable planet options for next time. But at least those lucky campers will get to experience a genuine sea-level rise, not this insipid tenuous version alarmists are currently going into hysterics about.

          On second thoughts, cabin fever will be a problem (‘cryogenics’ may be the solution :-P ).

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            Kalm Keith

            When the earth starts to cool ice will collect up north again and oceans will drop.

            At the end of the last glaciation the oceans had fallen 125 to 130 metres and created new land off our current shoreline. Twenty thousand years back, the land extended 19.9 km futher out than now.

            Maybe there’ll be a NewNewcastle in 15,000 years?

            We could house some of the overflow from the EEU, Britain , Canada and Northern USA until the ice melts again.

            Life is so repetitious.

            Don’t think Danistan and S.A. would be warm enough to be comfortable though. Tasmania, we’ll we can keep them on the cable link.

            KK

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              WXcycles

              Housing northern hemisphere refugees in OZ won’t work, we know (from many types of evidence) that when it gets colder Australia the continent quickly transitions from being mostly arid into a cold wind-blown desert, similar to the central Sahara, with massive active dunes, daily dust storms and constantly wind-deflating ‘soils’ creating gibber plains (which look just like Mars). Places like the interior’s now vegetated and immobilized massive sand dune fields, plus the sands of Fraser Island on the East Coasts were created by the higher-pressure anti-cyclonic cold winds of the last glacial. Most of Australia is just too far south of equator, and the high-pressure belt will move quasi-permanently northward over Australia all year, not just for winter. The carrying capacity of the Australian continent would plummet, but equatorial Papua would become part of the Australian mainland once again. That, and the emergent dry land of the former Torres Strait, Gulf of Carpentaria and Barrier Reef Lagoon would become the habitable areas. I guess we can BBQ snakes, crocodiles and fish, like the indigenous did, fields of crops and groves of fruit trees, not so much. At least we’ll have Afghan camels for transport this time (if the lack of guzoline makes V8 Interceptors non-viable).

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    pat

    after hearing 3 mentions of warming, hotter & “climate change” on the 30th birthday of ABC’s Gardening Australia last nite – it’s the only ABC-TV show I watch, & they seem to have avoided CAGW for some years – I have now decided not to listen to any ABC material I find online, but simply post it in full.

    truly unbelievable!

    AUDIO: 15min33sec: 23 Nov: ABC The Science Show: Why climate change denial persists
    Presenter: Robyn Williams
    The effects of the fast-changing climate make the headlines every night. Fires more intense, earlier and later than expected, droughts, floods and rising seas. So why do we still hear from people saying it isn’t happening? Ann Holmes seeks answers from Martin Hultman, Associate Professor in Science, Technology and Environmental studies, and Paul Pulle at the Centre for Studies of Climate Change Denialism, Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden.
    Guests:
    Martin Hultman, Associate Professor in Science, Technology and Environmental Studies
    ***Centre for Studies of Climate Change Denialism, Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden
    Paul Pulle, ***Centre for Studies of Climate Change Denialism, Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden
    Further information:
    Centre for Studies of Climate Change Denialism (CEFORCED)
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/why-climate-change-denial-persists/11729332

    AUDIO: 13min52sec: 23 Nov: ABC Saturday Extra: Facing our future of fire
    Presenter: Geraldine Doogue
    As Australia struggles to contain today’s ‘unprecedented’ bushfires, how can we start to prepare for tomorrow?
    Guest:
    David Bowman, Professor of Pyrogeography and Fire Science, The University of Tasmania
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/saturdayextra/the-future-of-fire/11731408

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    pat

    Geraldine Doogue also had an interview with a Lech Blaine, basically trying to work out how Labor can win over Queensland in the next Federal election and why they lost Queensland in May!

    23 Nov: ABC Saturday Extra: How good’s Queensland?
    Presenter: Geraldine Doogue
    Writer Lech Blaine took a 7000-km road trip across the Sunshine State to understand what makes it so different, politically, to the rest of Australia.
    His essay, published in the November edition of The Monthly, captures a mixture of voices from across the state, and paints a more nuanced picture than you might expect.

    Nov 2019: The Monthly: Essay: How good is Queensland?
    by Lech Blaine
    (Lech Blaine is a writer from country Queensland)
    Voices from the state that has turned against Labor as a party of federal government…
    What did Queensland voters see in an evangelical ad man that was missing from the unsure Victorian? Themselves. Morrison smashed pies, sculled schooners and bashed eskies after Sharks wins. Indeed, the King of Cronulla seemed more like a Queenslander than a southerner. He told punters in the Deep North that Australia needed to be more like them, not the other way around, eliciting pride instead of inferiority.

    The affection was mutual. “How good’s Queensland!” the re-elected PM famously shouted at the entire country in his victory speech in May, as a hallucinating crowd at Liberal headquarters in New South Wales chanted “QUEENSLAND! QUEENSLAND! QUEENSLAND!”

    Kevin (Rudd) from Queensland hasn’t spent much longer than a fortnight in one visit here since 2014. Still, you can take a boy from the farm out of Queensland and rent him a flash townhouse in upper Manhattan as he literally pursues world leadership, but his true devotions will boil over at a moment’s notice. He eats a chicken salad for afternoon tea and quietly provides five key reasons for Labor’s acute humiliation, referring recurrently with a Zen-like contempt to “the view down south”…

    This brings us to Rudd’s second reason for Labor’s localised unpopularity: Rupert Murdoch. News Corp owns more newspapers in Queensland than in the rest of Australia combined, which probably isn’t a geographical accident…
    “So you have them polarising the national and local debates around the principle of climate-change denial,” says Rudd, “and anyone who attacks the destruction of the reef is anti-Queensland.”…
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2019/november/1572526800/lech-blaine/how-good-queensland

    loves posting links to The Guardian, for starters (enough said):

    Twitter: Lech Blaine
    https://twitter.com/lechblaine?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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      WXcycles

      “So you have them polarising the national and local debates around the principle of climate-change denial,” says Rudd, “and anyone who attacks the destruction of the reef is anti-Queensland.”…

      lol … yeah, it had nothing to do with a dishonest revenue-raising exploitative destroyer of local QLD economies, due to mad-cap labor-green policy and serial incompetence to govern. Have a look are the public-transport fiasco(s) of the past 3 years. No, it was all just Rupert or some other left-field excuse. Most people don’t read newspapers and there are no suburban newspaper runs any longer. People don’t generally flock to newsagents in the morning to buy one either, and online newspaper subscriptions are not popular, especially among the labor-policy induced poor within QLD’s towns and cities.

      Labor got canned because labor is full of liars, crooks, corruption, laziness and incompetence at both the State and Federal level.

      Plus your mate, Chris Bowen, said that “If you don’t like our policies, then don’t vote for us.”

      Fine!

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        Peter C

        I love that Labor totally misses the real reason for their defeat in Queensland.

        What about the POLICIES?

        As WXcycles says: “If you don’t like our policies, then don’t vote for us.””

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    ImranCan

    I appreciate that it is a European conference held in Munich, but holding many of the talks in German is a mistake. It just blocks out huge chunks of the international audience. Its a shame. I would love to hear what Benny Peiser is saying but I haven’t got a clue.

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    eliza

    No one will see this in german with no subtitles!!! who is the idiot who organized this??? Sorry.

    Eliza, most of the speakers talk in English. Sometimes there are German speakers. I know they have translators there, but evidently to get that onto youtube in the live stream is expensive. I expect they will release it with subtitles or a translator at a later date. – Jo

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    [...] Nova on the European Climate and Energy Institute conference in Munich. The mob tried to shut down these dangerous speakers… but they didn’t win.. though they had to [...]

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    Another Ian

    A bit extra

    “An amusing side note, one of the speakers could not get there because an “electricity failure” in Germany stranded his train. WTF? You won’t hear about that on the ABC!”

    (My bold)

    In the mention of this thread at

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/11/23/roundup-24-november-mostly-climate-stuff/

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    Peter C

    Will there be transcripts of the papers?

    Krishna was able to help with some of those at the last conference.

    I would like to read these 2;
    The Real Condition of the Great Barrier Reef
    Prof. Dr. Peter Ridd – via Skype
    Former head of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Australia
    14.15 Hrs
    The Influence of Green House Gases on Climate: Research in the Field and in the Laboratory
    Dr. Michael Schnell

    and also this one:
    Nuclear Power of the 21st Century
    Dr. rer. nat. Götz Ruprecht
    Institute for Solid State-Nuclear Physics gGmbH

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