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NH Hotel chain dumps skeptic conference with days to go, due to 20 activists with megaphone

The West is weak to the point of collapse. A major hotel chain has canceled a 200 person conference mere days beforehand because 20 activists yelled at them. Where are the police? These people are a public nuisance. EIKE has hosted regular scientific conferences for 12 years without incident, they are regular clients, the conference is worth thousands, but a small group of shouty people overrules a long working relationship instantly?

Thomas, D Williams, Breitbart: NH Group cancels Climate Conference

The hotel group cited “security” concerns for its cancellation of the event after activists from the “Anti-Capitalist Climate Society,” whose motto is “system change, not climate change,” staged a protest of the conference including the formation of a flash mob in the hotel lobby, causing a disturbance and distributing flyers to hotel guests.

“The safety and well-being of our guests and staff is always our top priority,” hotel management declared in its cancellation letter. “Due to the polarizing effect of the EIKE association we could not guarantee this security for our hotel guests or for the participants of the event. For this reason, our responsibility as hosts requires you to cancel this booking.”

I spoke at the European Institute for Climate and Energy (EIKE) 12th conference last year, I would have recommended the NH Hotel group myself til this morning when I discovered the management wilt like teenage girls under the merest hint of pressure.

The EIKE Conference is a fabulous event. Last year I had a wonderful time, especially meeting “dangerous” people like Nir Shaviv, Henrik Svensmark, Nils Axel Morner, Thomas Wysmuller, and James Taylor. All of them apparently, a threat to democracy so terrible that the Munich police will not remove 20 teenage loudmouths and allow them to discuss science.

I know the organisers are determined to find a venue for the event which starts tomorrow. Professor Peter Ridd is probably on the plane headed there as I write.

Mob wins – How activists hinder a scientific congress

Burkhard Müller-Ullrich (Google translation).

…on November 11 at a Munich hotel and conference center. Not to book rooms there or to announce a conference, but: “We cordially ask you not to provide any premises for the EIKE conference, as this organization spreads dangerous propaganda and opposes our basic democratic values.”

EIKE , the European Institute for Climate and Energy, is also a non-profit association. The “dangerous propaganda” consists in scientifically justified doubts about the media narrative of the Klimatsatstrophe, of the imminent end of the world by CO2 and of the only possible rescue by jumping panic children. To hold a conference in a hotel, no airport staffing, no traffic, but a completely non-violent conference, in which facts are analyzed and ratings are exchanged, is in the opinion of the letter writer Dr. med. Hauke Doerk “contrary to our democratic values”.

The EIKE Congress is scheduled to take place on 22 and 23 November, but the hotel has since terminated the contract “for security reasons”. This decision was probably helped by the fact that last Saturday a flash mob of 15 to 20 people with megaphone and leaflets penetrated into the building and distributed an imprintless leaflet, which said: “We do not want this conference to take place undisturbed. Therefore, we meet on Friday, November 22, at 7:30 clock at the S-Bahn station München-Riem! “How it stands in these circles with the understanding of democratic values, shows a particularly bad reproach, which is also raised in said leaflet : “Parts of the CDU, for example in Thuringia, also rely on publications by EIKE.”

The mindless activists will be emboldened at their ability to vandalize months of work and customer relations as well as free speech all with so little effort, planning or funds.

EIKE organiser, Wolfgang Muller tells me that other hotels are afraid of the activists too:

The original hotel cancelled the venue 10 days before our event was supposed to take place. Other hotels that I have contacted and had capacity and which sent me specific offers have also since pulled out once they understood that the other hotel cancelled the contract because of “security reasons“ and that the event was not liked by the eco-establishment. In the end, I did not even get quotes from many hotels.
The great thing is, that 200 people are signed up to attend.

The complete failure of the police to respond appropriately, and hotels to cave so pathetically will mean this kind of intolerant protest will spread around the world. The mob wins, free speech is not free, and bullies rule.

I think I shall have to return to EIKE next year! They are “over the target”. (And it was an excellent event!) The way we skeptics win is to make this event twice as large next year and use the protests as a way to get more publicity — the Streisand effect. If you can get to Germany next year, put it in your calendar.

Pretty soon, skeptics may only be able to hold events at a Trump tower. Does anyone know if he owns any hotels in Germany?

Today it’s an ominous sign,
That the state think it ok and fine,
For a bullying gang,
To shut down and harangue,
Free speech in the land of the Rhine.

–Ruairi

h/t Marvin. Wolfgang.

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NH Hotel chain dumps skeptic conference with days to go, due to 20 activists with megaphone, 9.8 out of 10 based on 73 ratings

180 comments to NH Hotel chain dumps skeptic conference with days to go, due to 20 activists with megaphone

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    YOU MAY NOT SPEAK,
    WE OWN THE STREETS.

    Signed: St*rm tr**pers-
    Kristel-Nacht-Mark-Two,
    Ant*FA.

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    "Security" Issues

    Our responsibility as hosts requires you to cancel this booking.

    I’ve never had my responsibility require someone else to do something before. You’re right, the West really is dead.

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    PeterW.

    Is there any proposal for dealing with “Climate Change” that does not involve more taxes, more regulations and more control?

    If you believe that something is needed, how about you do it, using your money, your time and your resources.

    Show me that it’s as good as you claim and I’m more likely to follow you. Right now, when I see you more willing to bully than persuade… fighting you is the most reasonable thing to do.

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      Environment Skeptic

      The conference should have been called the Climate Physics/Astrophysics Conference for example. Calling it a Skeptics conference is wishy washy IMO.

      For example

      One of the laws of thermodynamics is that heat can travel in one direction only, namely from a hotter potential to a colder one.

      Another is that if a hot body is made of something that is good at absorbing heat, that same property will also make it a great emitter of heat.

      Another law is that a body or an atom cannot selectively emit heat in one direction only, so heat is not a one way street. In the case of CO2, it is equally proficient at emitting heat both up into space and down to earth as well as sideways.

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    R.B.

    Hold it in Russia. Poland, even but Putin is more likely to be heavy handed.

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    David Maddison

    The anti-free-speech people do the same with Geert Wilders and many other conservatives. Bookings that have previously been accepted are cancelled, often with little notice.

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      OriginalSteve

      Sad really…..lack of courage under fire…..

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        Bulldust

        Or the more sinister version, that the late booking reversal was always intended and a ploy by the establishment in question. Not as likely, but these days companies are becoming quite activist, so who knows?

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          Greg Cavanagh

          When “EIKE has hosted regular scientific conferences for 12 years without incident…”, I can’t believe they intended to cancel the meeting as any sort of ploy.

          But if I was a guest at the Hotel and a bunch of hooligans were outside making my holiday a hell. I’d be very upset and stern with the Hotel management; “get these people out of here or I’m gone. I’ll give you 20 minutes as it’ll take me that long to pack”.

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      Rick C PE

      Have they no civil laws in Germany regarding breach of contract? If this happened in the US the organizers would be entitled to sue the hotel for all costs and damages involved. That could include all costs and time incurred by attendees registered for the conference. Someone needs to make this capitulation so expensive for the hotel that next time they’ll realize that calling the police to protect their guests is a better solution.

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    PeterS

    It will get much worse if UK Labour wins the UK election. Let’s see how much sanity remains in the UK voters. Hopefully the Labour party will be smashed, preferably destroyed but somehow I expect they will still survive very well even if they don’t win.

    Climate change: Firms failing to tackle crisis will be delisted from stock exchange, Labour says

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      OriginalSteve

      Well that act alone will atract the snowflkes, but guarantee labour never get elected…..ever….

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        FarmerDoug2

        Wish I could be so sure.
        Doug

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        PeterS

        Let’s hope so. I suspect UK voters are not that stupid they would put in such an evil party on a number of fronts as the UK Labour party. What I’m hoping for is a catastrophic collapse in their votes to give the part a wake up call. If not then it means there are a lot of sick UK voters. Let’s wait and see.

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          el gordo

          Nigel Farage’s party could form a lose coalition with the Conservatives and keep Labor out.

          Farage wants to reduce UK immigration to 30,000 people a year, a big vote winner.

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            Adam Gallon

            Farage’s company (It isn’t a political party), will get no seats, as it’s vote is collapsing. 3-4% of the electorate, according to the latest opinion polls. Most of us aren’t concerned about immigration, it’s a vote loser, not a vote winner.

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    Geoffrey Williams

    Germany is not a free country any more, nor does it have a democratic society.
    The masses have been brainwashed with lefty green ideology at school, university and via the German media. Think Angela Merkel and East German stasi. Brexit has the right idea.
    GeoffW

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      ivan

      How true, ever since Fuhrer Merkel came to power the country has been going towards the hard communist way of Stalin.

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        theRealUniverse

        Reich Fuhrer Merkel , yep thats her..what more do u expect.
        Comments here are correct Germany isnt ‘free’.

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          Kalm Keith

          Brexit.

          Trumping.

          UNexit

          AusUNEXIT.

          No Chains,
          Just Freedom. Truth, a Self Governance.

          KK

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            Latus Dextro

            Nice but no chance KK. The writing is on the wall.
            Arguably, the only way out of this deteriorating mess will be a calamitous rerun of the global catastrophe that led to the dissolution of the League of Nations. Few see and appreciate this. Hope springs eternal, but prepare for the worst.
            The twin UN cults of climatism and safe-ism were intentionally locked and loaded into the UN ‘Transformational’ Agenda 2030. The former provides a wider justification, the latter provides the means, be it personal, environmental or community safety.
            Both have been and are are being used increasingly to great effect to shut down free speech and enforce corporatist compliance with the neo-Marxist agenda.
            The neo-Marxist Auckland Council in New Zealand were challenged by the NZ Free Speech Coalition in the NZ High Court over their use of health & safety to ban Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern from speaking at a venue owned by a subsidiary of the Auckland Council.
            They failed! They are appealing.

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              Kalm Keith

              More news on more “freedom”.

              An article in yesterday’s paper described the increase in levels of violence within schools.

              Violence against teachers and other students.

              This rise has social costs, with increased anxiety and defensiveness in a dysfunctional society that is ripe for control by the agents of agenda 2030.

              In the past I’ve referred to what’s happening as World War 3.

              No bullets, just destruction of the coherent society that we had built since WW 2.

              The world has gone insane.

              KK

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                OriginalSteve

                KK…i suspect it will all boil over. You cant have a break down of proper respect for teachers etc and society not suffer as a result.

                My own thoughts are keep your powder dry ( colloqually speaking ) speak softly but carry a large “stick”. Thugs understand deterrence as needed. Dont be afraid to hand out a telling off as needed.

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                Kalm Keith

                Steve,

                “You cant have a break down of proper respect for teachers etc and society not suffer as a result.”

                It’s not just teachers, it’s the police, ambulance staff and special groups that can easily be made into political targets.

                The most recent theme for misrepresentation is that the elderly boomers, they never did a days work in their lives and were hippies and stoned for the entire sixties dream. Now they have houses and the pension.

                Very convenient target with the libls stoking it for the youth vote.

                Reality gets lost.

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          Gerry, England

          It is Fuhrerin in the feminine form but then I couldn’t argue that there is nothing particularly feminine about the Stasihausfrau.

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      Ursus Augustus

      The Einzatsgruppen are back in business and these days only have to say ‘boo’ to get their way. Think of all the ammunition they save.

      The simple truth is that at a national level German society is cowardly, narcissistic and completely up itself. They are the original ‘Woke Folk’. Deutschland uber alles! Don’t think so.

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    You have the right to say anything that we approve.

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    WXcycles

    NH Group

    The hotel/conference version of Gillette.

    A company with which not to deal – forevermore.

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    pat

    just heard Andrew Bolt and Rowan Dean on Sky re the Medical Journal of Australia, the official journal of the Australian Medical Association (AMA). apparently Keane tried also to publish it on the Journal’s website, but was stopped again -

    behind paywall (picked up a few excerpts):

    DOCTORS’ JOURNAL BANS DEBATE ON GLOBAL WARMING POLICIES
    Herald Sun (Andrew Bolt blog) – 20 Nov 2019
    The Left is killing debate. Dr. Michael Keane is an Adjunct Associate Professor who wrote an article arguing that global warming policies would hurt poor nations far more than they’d help rich ones. But the Medical Journal of Australia has banned it… for article – fully referenced and factual – for contradicting the AMA’s new global warming policy: “We do advocate for climate change action.”…

    Here is Michael Keane’s original article, banned by the Medical Journal of Australia…

    HOPE SOMEONE CAN ACCESS THE BOLT ARTICLE.

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      OriginalSteve

      Found this:

      https://stovouno.org/2019/01/26/top-nz-scientist-describes-global-warming-as-pseudo-science/

      “The widespread obsession with Global-Warming-Climate-Change, in opposition to all factual evidence, is quite incredible. (Dr David Kear)

      “Dr David Kear is a former Director General of New Zealand’s Department of Scientific and Industrial Research (DSIR) – as such he would have been considered one of New Zealand’s top scientists. He has been publishing on sea levels since the 1950s.

      “In 2013 Dr Kear prepared a booklet in which he set out his views on the globalist climate project. In the booklet, Dr Kear describes:

      *his experience with the UN’s International Panel on Climate Change the corrupted science behind

      *the Global Warming narrative the corrupted science behind the claims of rising sea-levels

      *the demonisation by “Global Warmers” of the “essential and innocent gas, carbon dioxide”.

      *how councils are making zoning & other decisions purely to satisfy a false narrative, with total disregard for the facts

      “Think globally, act locally (UN catchcry) Dr Kear describes how local councils are ignoring scientific fact in order to satisfy an agenda imposed on them from above. No matter if scientists, engineers and local observers all indicate that the sea is not rising, even retreating – once a council has decided on a policy that assumes that the sea IS rising, the council is immovable, and makes decisions on zoning and building codes on that basis.

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      Latus Dextro

      The Lancet published Wakefield’s MMR/autism “research” in 1998 and then took 12 years to retract it. Current medical scientivists propose censoring the internet to deal with miscreant public views that have led to hesitancy and a decline in vax uptake, think measles outbreak and slow HPV vax uptake. The medics climatism and safe-ism beliefs possess a similar destiny, only in 12 years, in 2031, with World will have already been at an end for around a year.

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    pat

    Michael Keane’s article is banned, yet this so-called “research” not only got published, but was used by a Newscorp journo/women’s rights activist, Sherele Moody, & the Greens to suit an agenda, and the MSM did not even bother to analyse the “research” for themselves or even link to it so the public could decide for themselves what it did or didn’t prove:

    14 Nov: Daily Mail: Domestic violence campaigner who said firefighters would beat their wives after returning home is trolled online over her ‘vile’ comments
    •Greens Senator Larissa Waters held a press conference on Wednesday
    •Domestic violence advocate Sherele Moody spoke with alongside Ms Waters
    •Ms Moody made extraordinary claim firefighters’ partners will be beaten
    •She took to Facebook to say research shows domestic violence will peak
    •The Greens have since distanced themselves from Ms Moody and the claims
    by Brittany Chain & Lauren Ferri
    Sherele Moody (Newscorp journalist) on Wednesday interrupted a Greens press conference to say firefighters are statistically more likely to beat their partners after battling blazes…
    But ***Dr (Debra) Parkinson told Seven News that although she did find an increase in family violence in fire-affected communities, she did not say it was about firefighters.
    When this was brought up to Senator Waters, she said: ***’We note the research that violence increases during times of disasters.’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7683479/Domestic-violence-campaigner-Sherele-Moody-trolled-claims-firefighter-beat-wives.html

    13 Nov: PressFrom.info: Greens are slammed over extraordinary claims firefighters battling Australia’s devastating blazes will return home to BASH their partners
    She cited work from Dr Debra Parkinson, who spoke to women following the Black Saturday fires, and called for governments to respond to the ‘heightened’ risk.
    But Dr Parkinson told Seven News that although she did find an increase in family violence in fire-affected communities, she did not say it was about firefighters.
    When this was brought up to Senator Waters, she said: ***’We note the research that violence increases during times of disasters.’ …
    https://pressfrom.info/au/news/australia/-159944-greens-are-slammed-over-extraordinary-claims-firefighters-battling-australias-devastating-blazes-will-return-home-to-bash-their-partners.html

    no example given of “death threats” & the Greens’ Larissa Waters DID NOT QUICKLY distance the party from the comments – quite the opposite – but most media did not report the Waters’ quote “We note the research that violence increases during times of disasters.”:

    14 Nov: 9News: Activist receives ***death threats after linking a rise in domestic violence with firefighters
    By Olivana Smith Lathouris
    Ms Moody, a News Corp journalist whose work on domestic violence has won her Clarion, Walkley and Our Watch awards, first made the comments at a press conference on Wednesday alongside Greens Senator Larissa Waters. ***The Greens quickly distanced itself from the comments…
    Ms Moody reaffirmed the comments in a Facebook post…
    In her post, Ms. Moody said research Dr Debra Parkinson and Dr Claire Zara and published by ***the Australian Institute for Disaster Relief showed domestic violence rates increased in the wake of natural disasters, including the Black Saturday bushfires in 2009 that killed 173 people that are the deadliest in Australia’s history…
    Dr Parkinson told nine.com.au the research Ms Moody referred to draws a link between natural disasters and domestic violence but did not focus specifically on firefighters…
    https://www.9news.com.au/national/domestic-violence-australia-sherele-moody-bushfire-emergency-nsw-qld/e4f7a3f0-d98c-461a-bec9-3e1b60c32dad

    didn’t find any MSM that linked to the source, which is such a tiny, local study, it is meaningless. plus Parkinson & Zara did reference “firefighters”:

    2013: Australian Institute for Disaster Resilience: The hidden disaster: domestic violence in the aftermath of natural disaster
    by ***Debra Parkinson, Claire Zara (deceased)
    Peer-reviewed Article
    Abstract: Women’s Health Goulburn North East undertook the first Australian research into this phenomenon, previously overlooked in emergency planning and disaster reconstruction. Interviews with ***30 women and 47 workers in Victoria after the 2009 Black Saturday bushfires provided evidence of increased domestic violence, even in the absence of sound quantitative data and in a context that silenced women. Community members, police, case managers, trauma psychologists and family violence workers empathised with traumatised and suffering men–men who may have been heroes in the fires–and encouraged women to wait it out. These responses compromise the principle that women and children always have the right to live free from violence…

    Explanations for increased domestic violence after disasters
    The Black Saturday fires made it impossible for men to live up to society’s demands of their masculinity. Containing fireballs and controlling flames over 40 metres high was beyond human capacity. If men felt inadequate in these conditions, it underlines the flawed social construction of gender that expects men to have a particular set of characteristics simply because they are men. In everyday life, men embody different types of ‘masculinities’ and ‘practices’ (Pease and Pringle, 2001)­—as in disaster. Despite the evidence, such loss of control threatened the male provider and protector role (Phillips, et al., 2009)…

    Some of the women had partners who were firefighters at the front line of an unprecedented disaster. Their training would not have been adequate preparation for what they faced, and the sight of so many injured and burned people. The stress of that day and the following weeks of high alert is unimaginable to those who were not there.
    “They are the professional firefighters; it was their job to stop the unstoppable. They bear the grief and the loss and the guilt and they had all those people die, and we knew them all … they feel that they were the professionals, they feel like it was their job to stop it, they feel they failed, and they feel their friends died because of it and I could see him reliving those moments, where he could have done something differently and saved a life.” (Emma)…
    https://knowledge.aidr.org.au/resources/ajem-apr-2013-the-hidden-disaster-domestic-violence-in-the-aftermath-of-natural-disaster/

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      OriginalSteve

      Yes this anti domestic violence campaigner appears to have committed possibly the worst public relations foul up I have ever seen.

      Its on par with loudly disrupting an anzac dawn service by insulting the armed forces…a train wreck of infinite proportions.

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        WXcycles

        And now there’s the QLD Blue-Card fiasco.

        Some QLD govt low-life in the labor cohort has arbitrarily decided firemen now need to be checked to see if they’re safe to work around children, via a lengthy police background check. I’ve obtained a few of these over the years, it’s yet another way in which the QLD government shamelessly adds to its revenue collection process and adds expense to the holders of such cards for the bureaucratic cost to perform the background check and issue a card. It took me between 6-weeks to 3-months to obtain one in the past.

        This is simply a continuation of the Labor-Greens smearing of firemen and their anti-hero, anti-male, anti-social misanthropic BS.

        While they keep picking your pocket … … of course.

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          OriginalSteve

          Lets also not forget the Communists in WW2 who refused to load troop supply ships on the docks……

          Right now, people are copping it and being restrained, but I’d be pretty sure its not going to last forever.

          The good thing about Leftist stupidity is that its ultimately self limiting….

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            Wayne Job

            On the melbourne docks during WW11 the unionists re communists eventually had to face the army.
            The thugs in the union pulled guns and the troops opened fire, killing a few, that solved the problem.
            The supplies were desperately needed by our troops fighting for their lives.

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            StephenP

            The Communists were anti WWII until Germany invaded Russia.
            Before D-Day dockers went on strike about loading DUKWs as they were a hybrid between boat and land vehicle, and there wasn’t anything in the pay scale on pay levels for dealing with them.
            I am surprised the troops didn’t take a few them along with them on D-Day.

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          working with children requests don’t take long. Maybe they did back in the day

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            Hi, I’m from the local bush firefighting brigade, and I’m here to lead you all to safety away from that huge fire at your back fence.

            Umm, could I see your blue card please.

            Sorry, I had no time to apply for one of them.

            Then we’ll be staying here thank you. I don’t want you anywhere near my children, and I’ll be informing the Department about you.

            Tony.

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              Nice parody. It is standard for just about any volunteer you can think of. Legislation (caveat I’ve not checked on QLD) does not require it to be produced on demand. It is required by the volunteer so the voluntary organization can register the volunteer.

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                Kalm Keith

                Gosh Yes,

                For once I’m in partial agreement with the main issue in the comment that was snipped.

                First, I fully agree with the thrust of your comment in reminding us of what occurred in the big church. As we later found it also happened in the other church. Ugly activity was also reported of those acting on behalf of that other untouchable body, The United Bloody Nations.

                It’s good to denounce ugly activity because obviously that public attention is going to act as a deterrent.

                Unfortunately we found locally that long ago, some cadre or group within the local outfit was ” overlooking” or covering up some offenses.

                This contributed to the continuation of ugly behaviour.

                The main point is that having a Blue Card for ” working with” is just a political fix for a society that has failed to eliminate “ugly people” from society.

                IF politicians had the guts to clean out the legal system, clean out the public services at every level and then enforce the law by putting criminals in gaol, surprise!, we wouldn’t need Blue Cards.

                Everyone outside of Gaol, Good.

                Everybody in Gaol, Bad.

                KK

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                gee aye

                aww c’mon, I just shot down the whole argument. Not often I do that.

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                Peter C

                [SNIP]
                aww c’mon, I just shot down the whole argument. Not often I do that.

                What a shame.
                Damn those activist moderators!

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                Kalm Keith

                Gosh Yes,

                The group that I pointed at was not made clear: the police.

                They, I think, manage the Blue Card system?

                The only real safeguard that the public has is the absolute right to demand that our leaders enforce morally acceptable behaviour in those they guide.

                Although not perfect and perhaps needing some modernisation, the Ten Commandments might be a good start.

                We live in a society where ugly behaviour and plunder of the public purse are possible because our leaders are not held accountable to any real standards: a recent example in one area might be the MalEx444 episode which ultimately owed its success to the acceptance of the CAGW Mythology.

                In a sane society that “justification” would have been eliminated in a court that examined the facts of Atmospheric Physics, Gas behaviour and the relevant Thermodynamics.

                Now I’m not saying that our judges may be prone to act on beliefs rather than fact but work it out for yourself.

                Climate Change/MMGW has been established as the New Unquestionable religion, and some deride civilisations like the ancient Aztecs who made human sacrifices in order to placate the angry gods.

                The ultimate level of management must be accountable to morally defensible standards.

                At the moment there’s so much highly emotive victimhood guiding our politicians that the people who worked long and hard, the people who saved and were thrifty, who were law abiding, are now being rubbished so that politicians can continue.

                KK

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          Latus Dextro

          WXcycles

          This is simply a continuation of the Labor-Greens smearing of firemen and their anti-hero, anti-male, anti-social misanthropic BS.

          Yes. And this is an implementation of UN Transformational Agenda that identifies women, children, LGBGTQ, etc.. as victim groups that require infinite elevating special attention.

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    pat

    20 Nov: SMH: Billionaires invest in ‘massive’ solar farm to supply power to Singapore
    By Peter Hannam
    Australian billionaires Mike Cannon-Brookes and Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest have joined a capital raising of “tens of millions of dollars” to build a huge solar farm in Australia to supply electricity to Singapore.
    David Griffin, chief executive of Sun Cable, did not disclose the total investment other than to say it was less than $50 million. Mr Cannon-Brookes and his wife, Annie, were “lead investors” with their family firm Grok Ventures, while Mr Forrest tipped in funds from his Squadron Energy company.

    The over-subscribed raising marks the start of what could become a $22 billion plan to build the world’s largest solar farm with a 10-gigawatt capacity covering 15,000 hectares near Tennant Creek in the NT, and a 22GW-hour storage plant.
    The project would aim to supply competitively priced electricity to the Darwin region and to Singapore via a 4500-kilometre high-voltage cable.
    The raising will enable Sun Cable to pay for development work for the power link, with the ambition of securing financial close on the link by late 2023, Sun Cable said…
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/billionaires-invest-in-massive-solar-farm-to-supply-power-to-singapore-20191120-p53cf7.html

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      Serp

      What a hilarious waste of everybody’s time and money; the planet is already littered with the wreckage of grandiose solar installations –let’s see how long it lasts or even if the idiots get it started.

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      Kalm Keith

      Absolutely and totally bizarre.

      Science Free, Elitist troughing.

      Why not just get the government to approve a new bridge in the NT. Build it in the outback somewhere isolated where land is cheap and rake in more of that free, floating government money.

      Sure, it won’t go anywhere,but it could be a big tourist attraction to compensate for the closure of Ayers rock.

      Or maybe, just build the solar farm and save on the cable by sending all the electricity over by boat in containers.

      Sounds like Twiggy is lost in the Forest.

      KK

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        Dennis

        I became aware years ago that there are some very high wealth individuals in Australia who are “environmentalists” and fund all kinds of projects.

        Journalist Piers Akerman (Daily Telegraph Sydney) wrote about this some time ago including the wealthy by inheritance unworldly but mean well bankers for projects such as converting farm land into a natural state, to be polite.

        And those people are apparently blissfully unaware of the dark side politics behind UN agenda etc.

        Consider the email I received from the Mayor of my local Council that I posted here yesterday. He is not an extremist but accepts climate emergency because we are not looking after our land. I have no doubt this is a common position and why councils and governments accept and cooperate with Sustainability: Agenda 21 Agenda 30.

        And do not question the “science” of climate change hoax propaganda or what is behind it.

        I did send the Christiana Figureres October 2015 comment to the Mayor and Deputy Mayor, and other material.

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      Latus Dextro

      Utterly absurd.
      Darwin is sitting on some of the most prodigious gas fields in the World in the Arafura Sea, already being harvested and reaped the Territory worth a windfall of $34billion in 2011/12 from Inpex, Japanaese oil company.
      How utterly mindless. But then, the wealthy often have no sense of reality or they become detached from it.
      The end result seems the same.

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    15 Nov: BerlinSpectator: Berlin Bundestag Approves Germany’s ‘Climate Package’
    By Imanuel Marcus
    With its majority, Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government coalition pushed the so-called Climate Package through the Berlin Bundestag today. The opposition parties rejected it…
    The extremist right-wing ‘AfD’ called the government’s plan a “rip-off”. It made sure driving cars would become a privilege for the rich…

    One of the strategies the government chose to adapt is to trade certificates for CO2 emissions. This will apply to both traffic and buildings. Higher emissions mean paying more. Also prices for Diesel and gasoline will increase by 3 Cents per liter in 2021, and by an additional 9 to 15 Cents in 2026…

    ***The Package also includes a decrease of the VAT for train tickets and an increase the air transport tax. Merkel’s government is hoping more passengers will choose the train within Germany and on the way to neighboring countries, instead of aircraft…

    A ban on oil-fired heating systems is part of the new policies, meaning systems of this kind cannot be installed into any buildings starting in 2026. The state will sponsor cleaner heating systems. House owners who decide to get rid of their oil heating will receive part of the price for a more eco-friendly system.
    https://berlinspectator.com/2019/11/15/berlin-bundestag-approves-germanys-climate-package/

    4 Nov: EurActiv: US airlines attack Germany’s planned air ticket tax
    By Sam Morgan
    A group of US airlines has insisted that Germany’s plan to tax air tickets undermines a UN agreement on offsetting emissions from international aviation, a line of argument that is also casting doubt on the EU’s flagship emissions trading scheme (ETS).
    Airlines for America (A4A), an interest group that represents US carriers American, Delta and United, wrote to the European Commission last week to express its concerns over the German government’s new climate plan.
    Angela Merkel’s government wants to increase taxes on passenger tickets, both domestic and international, in order to reduce VAT on train tickets. The Bundesrepublik’s plan could net three-quarters of a billion euros, €500 million of which would be spent on its railways.

    But A4A says this plan is illegal, violates the EU’s aviation agreement with the US, and undermines the UN’s proposed carbon offsetting and reduction scheme for international aviation (CORSIA)…
    Germany’s carriers are also opposed to the plan…
    If supported, the new measures would come into force in April 2020…
    https://www.euractiv.com/section/aviation/news/us-airlines-attack-germanys-planned-air-ticket-tax/

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    pat

    15 Nov: BBC: General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all
    Labour has promised to give every home and business in the UK free full-fibre broadband by 2030, if it wins the general election…
    The Tories said it was “fantasy plan” that would cost taxpayers billions…
    (Shadow chancellor John McDonnell) told the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg Labour would add an extra £15bn to the government’s existing £5bn broadband strategy, with the money to come from the party’s proposed ***Green Transformation Fund…

    Having already announced plans to nationalise water, rail and now broadband, Mr McDonnell said this latest plan was “the limit of our ambitions”…

    Could it work?
    The shadow chancellor claimed such a scheme would also have positive effects on the ***environment, due to a reduction in commuting and enabling people to move out of cities to rural areas – and bring economic and social benefits…

    The Tories say the full cost of Labour’s plan would be £83bn over 10 years, rather than the £20bn claimed by Labour, arguing they had greatly underestimated the cost of re-nationalising parts of BT, broadband roll-out and salary costs…

    Labour has costed its policy from a report produced by Frontier Economics in 2018, which was originally produced for the Department of Digital, Culture Media and Sport…
    https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50427369

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    Brian

    No different to the Mercure Sydney Airport Hotel cancelling a Christian conference because homosexual marriage activists threatened hotel staff with violence.

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    Bill Burrows

    The time is fast approaching where all good people will need to make a stand against nihilism and agenda driven fanatics. Fanatics who mindlessly seek to disrupt or refuse to partake in intelligent discourse that is aimed at addressing the innumerable scientific problems still unresolved in our world. Fanatics who believe that the only history that is relevant, is that which commenced on the day they were born.

    We have the choice of being a Chamberlain or a Churchill. There is no escape. A 1950’s Readers Digest story told of the well to do European who survived the trauma of WW 1. During the 1930’s he could clearly see, based on his earlier experience, the carnage that Hitler and his minions were about to inflict on the world. So he travelled widely in the hope that he could find a safe place to move himself and his young family to avoid the coming conflagration. Finally, in August 1939 he settled himself and his family on a remote island in the South Pacific, confident that he had done all he could to protect his loved ones. The island was called – Guadalcanal!

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      OriginalSteve

      I’m for Churchill, and the Left know most people are, so I think eventually it will get ugly.

      I think there are plenty of people who would be itching to finally remove leftist PC thuggery from our shores.

      I’m all for removing the scourge of PC, but advocate non-violent means.

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        David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

        Chamberlain agreed. Churchill had a different approach.

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          OriginalSteve

          I think you misunderstand.

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            David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

            Agree O S,
            I was a bit rushed earlier, but should have emphasised that I have some hesitation about your closing words “…but advocate non-violent means”, which I initially thought you meant “regardless”.
            I hate bullies and thugs, and think both terms are applicable to Jo’s 20 activists, and think they need to be stopped because, in my opinion, they have lost their right to protest when they denied their opponents their right to express their differing views. Further they’ve lost their right to protection of the law by invading a private business. So I think physical force was an appropriate response by local police of hotel security, rather than the cowardly capitulation that actually occurred.
            Cheers
            Dave B

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      Latus Dextro

      Bang on Bill. Tragically bang on.
      Echoing my own sentiment and consideration above.
      CHICK-FIL-A CAVES TO THE LEFT
      Thug rule always triumphs over invertebrate soyboys, whatever their political persuasion.

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    robert rosicka

    After seeing this latest puff piece from the UN I’m suspicious of the motives of the hotel chain .

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-20/planned-fossil-fuel-output-wont-meet-paris-climate-goals/11722912

    Yes it’s much worser than we first thought .

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      OriginalSteve

      UN = global straitjacket for all decent humans

      The demented Elite who set up and run the UN think most of humanity are below them and need to be “managed”. The problem with the Elite and thier self delusional, hubristic and narcistic tendencies, is that they see no wrong in what they do, whereas anyone with half a brain can see the Elite have lost the plot and are rapidly becoming a threat to the rest of humanity who just want a quiet life and not bother anyone…..

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    Ruairi

    Today it’s an ominous sign,
    That the state think it ok and fine,
    For a bullying gang,
    To shut down and harangue,
    Free speech in the land of the Rhine.

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    Mark D.

    Dr, Hauke Doerk?…….Dr. Hauke: Doerk!
    There fixed that.

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    Lionell Griffith

    Now do you believe me?

    It is time to stop feeding them. If they try to force you to feed them, reply in kind. If you don’t, this bullying will continue until civilization collapses.

    The only way to deal with bullies is to knock them down so hard they are afraid to get up. Then if they try to get up, make sure they can’t.

    We have an absolute right to our freedom, liberty, property, pursuit of our OWN happiness, and the right to protect those rights with any means necessary. If we don’t, we are done for.

    What is your life worth? Don’t give it away for a pennies worth of pretend safety and security.

    Live and love your life as if you really mean it. It is the only one you have.

    See the 20th century for instructive detail.

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      AndyG55

      “reply in kind.”

      But don’t forget,

      .. you must not be rude to this blog’s trolls,

      .. or say anything true but might upset one of the trolls.

      The “safe-room” feelings of this blog’s trolls is apparently paramount.

      [I'm getting very weary of you making this unfounded BS claim. There is no "safe room" for trolls and you are whining because there is no "safe room" for nasty ad-hom skeptics that are regular posters (like you in case you are slow on the uptake).
      You getting snipped is BECAUSE YOU WASTE OUR TIME!
      If you are unable to get control of your temper and useless ad-hom comments then you are irredeemable.] ED

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        Lionell Griffith

        I suspect you jest. Just in case, I will take your words for what they are, at face value, and extend my comment.

        When have I been concerned about someone not liking what I write? Not liking is a feeling. It is true that feelings are the way we experience life. However, your feelings are caused by the thinking you have or haven’t done for most of your life.

        As a consequence, your feelings are under your long term control. You can change your feelings by thinking more correctly and completely. Also by avoiding refusal to think about something because it is “unpleasant”. It is that way YOUR feelings are YOUR fault and not mine. Own them and deal with them!

        My primary concern is about reason, reality, and logic. Especially about being able to distinguish among truth, falsity, misdirection, and the merely arbitrary.

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        Serp

        An endangered species innit? In the site’s Red Book you say? I’d best keep a nurturing eye out for ‘em then.

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        Peter C

        [I'm getting very weary of you making this unfounded BS claim. There is no "safe room" for trolls and you are whining because there is no "safe room" for nasty ad-hom skeptics that are regular posters (like you in case you are slow on the uptake).
        You getting snipped is BECAUSE YOU WASTE OUR TIME!
        If you are unable to get control of your temper and useless ad-hom comments then you are irredeemable.] ED

        Who got snipped?

        ED, Think a bit and take it easy.

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    17 Nov: Albawaba: Iranians Caught off Guard as Snow Blankets Tehran
    People walk under heavy snow in the Iranian capital Tehran on November 16, 2019. Heavy snowfall blanketed the streets of north Tehran causing traffic chaos and forcing the closure of schools, authorities in the Iranian capital said. Crews of municipal workers were battling to clear roads and pavements in parts of the capital, where snow began falling at the start of the morning rush hour and continued through the day…

    Snowing is a rare occurrence in Tehran during the fall…
    Forecasters have predicted a ground frost and a sharp drop in temperature for the coming days…
    https://www.albawaba.com/editors-choice/iranians-caught-guard-snow-blankets-tehran-1321605

    16 Nov: Yahoo: AFP: Heavy snow snarls traffic, shuts schools in Iran capital
    The backed-up traffic prevented the use of snowploughs and forced the municipality to deploy staff to clear the snow by hand (Hamid Mousavi, mayor of Tehran’s first district) said…
    “Due to the coldness of the weather, snow and forecast of continuing snowfall, all schools will be closed this afternoon in districts one to five and district 22 of Tehran,” deputy governor Mohammad Taghizadeh said, quoted by ISNA.
    “Also all schools in Shemiranat county will be closed in the afternoon shift.”…
    https://news.yahoo.com/heavy-snow-snarls-traffic-shuts-schools-iran-capital-101450422.html

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    pat

    15 Nov: Reuters: Green Climate Fund expands support to more than 100 developing states
    by Megan Rowling
    BARCELONA: The Green Climate Fund, which provides finance for developing nations to tackle climate change, said on Thursday it had reached a milestone of backing action in more than 100 countries, after approving $408 million for new projects…

    ***China, meanwhile, had its first project approved, to set up a green development fund in eastern Shandong province. The decision came under a new majority voting procedure that overcame objections from the United States and Japan…READ ALL
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-climate-finance-trfn/green-climate-fund-expands-support-to-more-than-100-developing-states-idUSKBN1XO2QM

    13 Nov: ClimateChangeNews: GCF partners with Chilean private equity firm as unrest continues
    By Chloé Farand
    The Green Climate Fund has agreed to partner with a Chilean private equity firm specialised in wealth management and an Indian bank mired in financial instability, despite concerns over due diligence.
    Following animated discussions at a board meeting of the UN’s flagship climate fund on Wednesday, GCF board members said they were feeling “uneasy” after granting accreditation to four private companies to pitch green project proposals and access the fund’s resources…READ ALL
    https://climatechangenews.com/2019/11/13/gcf-partners-chilean-private-equity-firm-unrest-continues/

    14 Nov: MirageNews: Save Children Australia accredited in world-first for Green Climate Fund
    Save the Children Australia has been announced as the first non-environmental NGO to be accredited by the Green Climate Fund (GCF) at a meeting in South Korea.
    The accreditation, more than 2 years in the making, will allow Save the Children Australia to partner with countries hardest hit by climate change and apply for funding from the USD$10 billion fund…

    CEO, Paul Ronalds said the world-first accreditation reflected Save the Children Australia’s leading role in climate change programming for the global movement.
    “Save the Children has been preparing for and responding to severe and deadly disasters around the world for 100 years,” said Mr Ronalds…
    Accreditation will allow Save the Children Australia to apply for funding of up to USD$50 million per project in partnership with governments, communities, the private sector and other NGOs…
    https://www.miragenews.com/save-children-australia-accredited-in-world-first-for-green-climate-fund/

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    pat

    20 Nov: Guardian: Angus Taylor to seek states’ support for emissions reduction fund overhaul
    Long delayed meeting of federal and state energy ministers to discuss the $2.55bn ERF, now rebadged the Climate Solutions Fund
    by Katharine Murphy and Adam Morton
    Angus Taylor has scheduled a discussion with state and territory energy ministers about the planned overhaul of the Morrison government’s emissions reduction fund, a move following the government’s decision to quietly appoint (LINK) an expert panel to come up with new ways to cut greenhouse gas emissions…

    Taylor has not ruled out the side deals including direct assistance for emissions reduction in the states, and the Morrison government has been quietly pursuing an overhaul of the ERF, appointing a panel of four business leaders (LINK) and policy experts to suggest options to expand it…READ ALL
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/20/angus-taylor-to-seek-states-support-for-emissions-reduction-fund-overhaul

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    Serp

    Pedant watch Jo: should be “Streisand effect”, and yes, I spent years reading it as “Streisland” before realising I was interpolating the “l”.

    ——
    I need my pedant-proof-readers, thank you! – Jo

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      Robert Swan

      I need my pedant-proof-readers, thank you! – Jo

      Well, in that case:

      Proofreaders is one word. I’d also favour using the adjective pedantic instead of using the noun attributively.

      You should probably be sparing with your encouragment Jo, perhaps by delivering your “thanks” through gritted teeth. We pedants live on a hair trigger.

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        sophocles

        Proofreaders is one word.

        No, it is not. According to my Oxford English dictionaries (which one would you like me to cite?) it is two words, hyphenated as in:
        proof-read
        proof-reading
        proof-reader(s)

        If her proof-readers also happen to be pedants then pedant-proof-readers is also usable/allowable. You can use ‘pedantic’ wherever you like, but it has a slight difference of meaning from pedant-proof-readers, as Jo intended.
        (See Fowler’s Modern English Usage 3rd Edition 1998, Oxford University Press, esp the entry `pedantic humour’)

        Jo is correct.

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          Robert Swan

          Thanks Sophocles. That is interesting — but odd.

          I confess I was so confident that I didn’t check the dictionary when I commented earlier. But my Concise Oxford (1996) has:

          proofread v.tr (past and past part -read (/red/) read (printer’s proofs) and mark any errors. proofreader n. proofreading n.

          What’s more, I see no two-word entry for proof read under proof or elsewhere.

          This wouldn’t be the first time that Mr Oxford has changed his mind.

          You’re right about the shades of meaning, but as to what meaning Jo intended, I make no claims of telepathy.

          You do appear to have failed to read my mind. The principal point, intended to be delivered with humour, was that pedants need little encouragement. Borne out here, I think.

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            sophocles

            You’re right! We have a Battle of the Oxfords! :-) Wot fun!

            1. Shorter Oxford (4th Ed 1993): proofread, proofreader with proof-~everything-else being hyphenated …
            2. Concise Oxford 4th Ed, 1951 (reprint 1961): proof ~-reading ~-reader (or proof-reading, proof-reader)
            3. Concise Oxford 10th Ed, 1999;proof-read proof-reader … This is the one I initially checked — it doesn’t take up as much desktop as the Shorter.
            4. New Oxford Dictionary of English 1998:proof-read…&c
            5 Paperback Oxford Dictionary (pub Oxford University Press New York) 2001, 2002: proof-read proof-reader …&c the ‘Colonial’ Edition :-P
            6. Pocket Oxford Dictionary 4th Ed 1942, 1959 reprint:p.-read p.-reader … &c

            Five out of the six hyphenate, one doesn’t. We could run with a `majority opinion?’ (I haven’t checked the website. One day, maybe.)

            Of course pedants need little encouragement — that’s why we immediately “lock horns”. I didn’t miss your humour which is why I added the Fowler reference :-P

            I’ll have to do a ‘climate science’ on my outlier and update it to the fifth(2000) or sixth edition — until ‘I get what I want!’ Ha. Interesting that it’s the 1993 ed that is the outlier. Is ’1996` for your reference the edition or the impression (reprint) year?

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              Robert Swan

              We can hardly go with a consensus view now can we — here of all places! — neither by number of Oxfords (which would favour hyphenation) nor by gross mass (which, thanks to your Shorter Oxford, might weigh in favour of the compound word).

              As you suggest, we should leave that sort of caper to the climatologists.

              It would be nice to see what the full OED has to say about it. The only online Oxford I know of is the lightweight Lexico. They appear to favour the compound.

              Mine is in fact the Oxford Encyclopedic English Dictionary, 3rd edition 1996, printed (and bought) in the USA in that year. Its word definitions are lifted from the 8th edition of the Concise Oxford Dictionary. Purists might scoff at having encyclopaedic entries in there, but they are, like the word definitions, clear and to the point. Nice to get the pronunciations too. It is well used.

              I enjoyed reading Fowler’s English Usage a few years ago. Quirky fun, once you got the hang of it. Particularly enjoyed his middle-of-the-road approach to pronouncing foreign borrowings: put on just enough accent to be clear that it’s borrowed, but don’t get carried away. On the one hand you don’t want to be an ignorant oaf, and on the other, you don’t want to be a show-off.

              Anyhow, this has been a bit of fun. I think we can both walk away with pride intact and Jo will have learnt that pedants deserve even less feeding than trolls.

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                sophocles

                We can hardly go with a consensus view now can we — here of all places!

                Why not? We have proof! It’s a 70% stand, including your reference. The other consensus has only ridicule because it’s both ridiculous and completely unsupported, evidentially. Besides, we can authoritatively state that 70% of Oxford Dictionaries agree as measured in 2019..

                Fowler’s should really be represented as Fowlers’ as it was authored by Henry Watson Fowler and Francis George Fowler, two brothers; Henry was the elder of the two by 12 years. You could probably consider them to be the world’s greatest pedants :-P (Couldn’t resist that! :-) )

                Jo likes her ‘pedant-proof-readers’ so as long as we don’t put her wrong, I think we’re welcome.

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                Robert Swan

                Well played on Fowler’s/Fowlers’.

                On “pedant-proof-readers”, associativity is significant: the pernickety pedant-proof-readers vs. the obdurate pedant-proof-readers. No such ambiguity when employing the clearly superior proofreaders. Victory at last!

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    20 Nov: Reuters: Fossil fuel ***polluters from U.S. to China far off climate targets: UN
    by Nina Chestney
    LONDON: The world’s major fossil fuel ***producers are set to bust global environmental goals with excessive coal, oil and gas extraction in the next decade, the United Nations and research groups said on Wednesday in the latest warning over climate crisis.
    The report reviewed specific plans from 10 countries, including superpowers China and the United States, as well as trends for the rest of the world and estimated that global fossil fuel production by 2030 would be at levels between 50-120% over Paris Agreement targets…

    But by 2030, global planned production would lead to 39 gigatonnes (Gt) of carbon dioxide emissions, 53% higher than what is needed to reduce temperature rises to 2C and 21 Gt, or 120%, more than is needed for 1.5C, the report said…
    “The world’s energy supply remains dominated by coal, oil and gas, driving emission levels that are inconsistent with climate goals,” said United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) executive director Inger Andersen…

    The gap was largest for coal, with countries planning to produce 150% more in 2030 than would be consistent with limiting warming to 2C, and 280% more than would limit warming to 1.5C….
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-accord-fossilfuels/fossil-fuel-polluters-from-u-s-to-china-far-off-climate-targets-u-n-idUSKBN1XU0FP

    UNEP: Report: Production Gap Report 2019
    DOWNLOAD 80-PAGE REPORT
    https://www.unenvironment.org/resources/report/production-gap-report-2019

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      pat

      forget that UNEP & CO claim -

      “The gap was largest for coal, with countries planning to produce 150% more in 2030 than would be consistent with limiting warming to 2C, and 280% more than would limit warming to 1.5C.”

      it’s only China, reports Reuters!

      20 Nov: Reuters: China coal-fired power capacity still rising, bucking global trend: study
      by David Stanway
      China raised its coal-fired power capacity by 42.9 gigawatts (GW), or about 4.5%, in the 18 months to June, connecting new projects to the grid ***at a time when capacity in the rest of the world shrank***, according to a study published on Wednesday.
      China also has another 121.3 GW of coal-fired power plants under construction, U.S.-based research network Global Energy Monitor said in its report, nearly enough to power the whole of France…

      China approved new 40 coal mines in the first three quarters of 2019, and it has continued to make use of “green” financing to support coal-related projects…
      Though costs are now as low as fossil fuels, some Chinese policymakers worry renewables like wind and solar are unreliable, and there are concerns that decarbonisation will hurt the country’s coal regions…READ ALL
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-china-coal/china-coal-fired-power-capacity-still-rising-bucking-global-trend-study-idUSKBN1XU07Y

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      ivan

      Since global energy usage is going up and unreliable renewables just can’t provide it, there has to be an increase in production of the necessary fuels that will provide reliable energy no matter what the UN Church of Climatology says about it.

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    pat

    19 Nov: ScienceAlert: Data Shows We’re Living Through Earth’s Second Hottest Year on Record
    by ANDREW FREEDMAN, THE WASHINGTON POST
    This year is increasingly likely to be the planet’s second- or third-warmest calendar year on record since modern temperature data collection began in 1880, according to data released this week by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)…

    According to a new report (LINK) released Monday, there’s about an 85 percent chance (LINK) that the year will wind up ranking as the second-warmest in NOAA’s data set, with a possibility that it slips to No. 3…
    Overall, though, it’s virtually certain (greater than a 99 percent chance) that 2019 will wind up being a top-five-warmest year for the globe…READ ALL
    https://www.sciencealert.com/data-shows-we-re-living-through-earth-s-second-hottest-year-on-record

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      Graeme No.3

      Wow! Things must have been really hot in the USA between the cold, wet Spring and the early cold Fall with early** snow. And they must have rushed out the report for the coming Climate Conference in Spain by just making up the figures for November and December.

      **I’d use UNPRECEDENTED but it is used so often these days that it is overworked, so needing a rest.

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    19 Nov: Evening Standard comment: Why it’s good news this election is going green
    This is the first climate-change election…
    In a contest that’s supposed to show only how badly divided our country is, the battle against climate change is a cheering example of something better. All the parties agree that we need to act.

    This isn’t normal in a lot of other countries.
    In Australia the Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, was elected not long ago, using the same advisers now running Boris Johnson’s campaign, on a promise to back more coal mining. Faced with catastrophic bush fires and extreme heat this month, his deputy has just attacked “woke capital city greenies” for even suggesting climate change is a factor.
    And in the US Donald Trump once called it “a hoax” and is pulling his country out of the Paris Agreement. But here?

    There are real choices about how we travel, what we eat, how we heat our homes and how much we are prepared to pay for our energy that must be confronted. And none of the answers will be immediately popular.
    This election is a chance to lock in public support not just for the ends of going carbon free but also the means of doing it.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-why-it-s-good-news-this-election-is-going-green-a-bishop-breaks-through-a4290691.html

    20 Nov: UK Times: Only the Greens will act on climate change before it’s too late
    by Sian Berry (Green Party)
    UN scientists told us a year ago that we have until 2030 to take meaningful action on the climate emergency. That means that the actions we take in this parliament will set us down one of two paths. We can have a future where we have made our whole country carbon neutral while delivering social justice. Or we can have a future of climate chaos and social disaster. There is no question which future we should be aiming for.

    What we do in the next few years will determine everything. This really is the last election where we can take the first step down the right path to sort things out in time. In the manifesto we published this week, the Greens set out our…
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/only-the-greens-will-act-on-climate-change-before-its-too-late-nnw597g7f

    ***far from perfect indeed:

    19 Nov: UK Telegraph: The Left’s state-run schemes to save the planet will never work
    by Matt Ridley
    Tory plans are ***far from perfect but at least they demonstrate the original thinking and support for innovation that could make a genuine difference

    When it comes to going green, the parties are competing to see who can make the most unrealistic promises. Fortunately the most likely government, the Tories, are currently losing this bidding war, promising policies that are only mildly barmy and unaffordable.

    The big green issue is the date by which the country must go zero-carbon. The Tories have promised 2050 and passed it into law. The Liberal Democrats say 2045. Labour’s manifesto is likely to say the 2030s. The Green Party promises 2030 itself, thus disappointing the yoga-protesters in Extinction…
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/19/lefts-state-run-schemes-save-planet-will-never-work/

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    WXcycles

    No Tricks Zone:

    !!! UPDATE 1 – GOOD NEWS !!!
    EIKE informs they managed to find an appropriate place in Munich, on time and that all the reservations as well as dates remain valid. Unfortunately, for safety reasons, they have to keep the location secret. Free speech in Germany! (But only if you do it in secret).

    https://notrickszone.com/2019/11/19/radicals-bully-nh-munich-conference-center-force-cancellation-of-13th-skeptic-climate-conference/

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    pat

    up against the billions and, indeed, trillions, Dan at Vice has found some denier peanuts:

    18 Nov: Vice: The Last of the Climate Deniers Hold On, Despite Your Protests
    Propped by an industry-funded network, demanded by the Trump administration, the last vestiges of climate deniers in academia linger as millennials protest inaction.
    by Dan Schwartz
    These groups — CEI, Heartland, the CO2 Coalition, and CFACT — are among the most active today in brokering skeptical academics. ExxonMobil’s philanthropy was significant—giving more than $5 million that is publicly traceable to 37 groups for work exclusively on climate change between 1997 and 2005, according to research by Greenpeace. But larger donations also came from family foundations. According to a 2013 study in the journal Climate Change, the three biggest climate-doubt donors between 2003 and 2010 were Scaife family foundations, financed by the late oil, banking, and industrial magnate Richard Mellon Scaife; the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation; and foundations affiliated with the Koch family, whose wealth, according to Jane Mayer’s book Dark Money, originally came from constructing oil refineries for Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. (I sought comment from the three foundations; only the Koch’s responded, through a spokesperson, who said, “We have been grossly mischaracterized on this issue.”) According to the 2013 study “Institutionalizing Delay,” published in Climatic Change, funding to think tanks and advocacy groups rocketed from sources whose transactions are impervious to public scrutiny, namely Donors Trust and Donors Capital Fund…READ ALL
    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwawq/the-last-of-the-climate-deniers-hold-on-despite-your-protests-v26n4

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    Gerry, England

    Munich? How ironic that a capitulation to fascism took place in that city.

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    Roy Hogue

    Does anyone know if he (Trump) owns any hotels in Germany?

    I looked and it appears not although I may not have known the right search. It seems that the Donald and his partners went bankrupt on that one.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    In another thread someone pointed out the traditional argument that gun ownership (US) was for self protection.
    My view is that the 2nd amendment to the constitution was designed to protect the first.

    The conference could be cancelled in quivering fear. Or the premises could be protected. How might that be accomplished?

    Quod Erat Demonstratum

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      David Maddison

      Beyond the Second Amendment protecting the first, the SA is also the ultimate “reset” button for the US Constitution. It’s specific purpose was to give “the people” superior power over an unconstitutional tyrannical government that may arise and remove it by force. It had nothing to do with owning a firearm for hunting etc.. And it wasn’t about technology either. At the time of framing of the SA people had firearms that were at least as good as the military, probably better, because military firearms then, as now, were built to a budget and most people could afford better.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    There are a few gadfly types here, but one has the sense that many of us would describe ourselves as center-right.
    We may well be center-left. This probably depends a lot on where we live as the center is in a different spot in various countries.
    But, apart from agreement on climate issues and calls for common sense on many other matters of governance, there is, I think, one thing that
    unites us with some passion.

    We believe in civil society and reasoned debate.

    Why have those on the “left”, who flog climate change and other liberal-reactive policies, lost all sense of civility.
    The palpable sense of threat, physical and economic, is disturbing.
    Is the threat more real? Are the folks on the “left” more willing than before to engage in violence?
    Or have the targets lost their backbone and confidence in their values?

    Either way. encouraging or appeasing a bully on an institutional level never has a good outcome.

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      PeterS

      One reason why it’s getting worse is there is little if any response of significance from the other side of politics. Such aloofness exhibited by the LNP is not good. If Menzies were alive today and PM I suspect he would be blazing with all guns and attacking the ALP+Greens with much vigour. That’s how real politics is suppose to work, good bad and ugly. Appeasement is the exact opposite and only allows matters to get more and more out of control. Sense of civility and politics does not compute.

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        OriginalSteve

        Peter, the LNP lack of response would make sense if they were owned by the globalists and were needed as a token placeholder to give the illusion of an opposition.

        If someone throws a game of cricket despite being a good cricketer, naturally we would be suspicious.

        Perhaps the LNP are nothing more than climate change “judas sheep”….

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          PeterS

          I’ve long held the belief the LNP lack real vision and are too far out of touch with reality. There were exceptions, such as Howard but even there he lacked a lot of real vision to move this nation to the next phase of development given the flush of money thanks to the commodity boom. Towards the end though even Howard started to be swayed by the frenzy of climate change. Today they all are. Sad really since it means it’s all downhill from here until we hit some large bump in the road to wake people up. Perhaps we will hit a few smaller rocks soon and be enough to stop the rot and turn things around. A few state wide blackouts in certain states should do the trick.

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            OriginalSteve

            Yep. Make sure you have a gennie though before xmas this year….Dangerous Dan is doing his bit to create instability on the grid nationally….

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            Dennis

            PeterS I believe from knowing John Howard long before he entered Parliament and from mixing with many politicians for a very long time that people like him accepted the need for the United Nations based on the great wars and the great depression and related events and situations.

            When I first became aware of the New World Order I purchased the transcript of that ABC Radio National series. I learnt about The Fabian Society of the UK and the Australian Fabian Society and lots of not well publicised objectives including Eugenics. Gradually I decided that there was a sinister movement set to undermine our way of life, the capitalism based economic prosperity. The New World Order series was broadcast in the 1990s.

            But when I quoted from it on the original internet boards most ignored my comments some attacked them. One politician, a cabinet minister and former WW2 soldier, told me I was wrong and that via the UN the world in future would be a far better world to live in. And there it is, the feel good side such as saving national parkland for future generations appeals to good people. It appeals to me to look after the environment but knowing these mission statements are crafted to deceive and draw attention away from the political manoeuvring.

            National Parks, then Marine National Parks, Sustainability: so no dams, logging, mining and no commercial fishing resulting in fleets of commercial trawlers being “compensated” for their fishing licence “losses” and fishing cooperatives also closing down. And Australians now obtain most seafood from other countries and from farming sources. Fishing industry no longer providing taxes and jobs.

            UN Lima Agreement signed in 1975 by Whitlam Labor, and no opposition from the unions. And now manufacturing industry has declined markedly.

            And the list goes on, Paris Agreement for example.

            And thankfully the present government followed the US lead and refused to sign the Compact on Migrants that handed immigration control to the UN.

            Everywhere you might look the octopus arms are working inside Australia. The controllers of the water release “environmental flows” of potable water from dams low due to drought, water needed by people and farming. Farmers being told to fill in farm dams and be compensated or refuse and be fined and the dams filled in by the authorities.

            The Australian Constitution is bypassed. Labor Attorney General Evatt, a lawyer, tabled his plan at the UN for all member nations to sign treaties that could be used to get around constitutions when necessary. Our already complicated system of government, Federation of States to form Commonwealth of Australia (by the way New Zealand remains a potential state since they decided to opt out) and three levels of government each with different responsibilities and roles, add non government organisations that often clash with government department areas of responsibility (eg controllers of water, Human Rights Commission) with a tangle of red and green tape to protect each segment like a patent attorney writing a patent to try and hide detail from preying eyes.

            And then lines of responsibility, we blame the Federal Government for many things that are State and Local Government responsibility. Like power stations cannot be built without State planning approval. Dams cannot be constructed without State planning approval and management.

            The very complicated jigsaw puzzle has an interesting appearance but don’t try to unravel it because each piece is held down with extra super glue.

            It is a nightmare in my opinion, I almost get a headache thinking about all the things I know that sometimes I wish I had not bothered to learn. And now I can write without often needed to research.

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              Dennis

              Prime Minister Howard was once asked by a journalist if international laws, treaties etc., could be upheld in Australia. Howard replied only if a government here permits or accepts it.

              Of course Australia is independent, some people still believe we are tied to Great Britain and their Queen who temporarily becomes our Queen for the period she is on Australian land. In fact most powers of a monarch were removed by a British Act of Parliament in the 1930s and applied to all Commonwealth of Nations members including of course Australia. And in the 1980s the Australia Act of Parliament reinforced the British Act by creating our version of it.

              The Australian Constitution provides the rules of governing signed at time of Federation. Our parliaments create the laws and the final point of legal appeal is the High Court of Australia. No longer can appeals be taken to the Privy Council in London.

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            Peter C

            I’ve long held the belief the LNP lack real vision and are too far out of touch with reality.

            Possibly so Peter,

            However the Australian Conservatives had a “Real Vision” at the last election but were totally ineffectual (<5% of the vote) . Why? Likely they were out of touch with reality. In any event they were not taken seriously by voters.

            The Liberal Party however is a major Party, with a long history of Government. It has power and financial and social (membership) backing. It is perceived as being credible.

            Why not join the Liberal Party and make help move them toward the Party we would like them to be!

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    Cat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxDl0Ls4_Go

    [no problem with the video but please add some comment about the topic before you hit ENTER!]ED

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    Drapetomania

    Staal
    November 20, 2019 at 7:27 pm · Reply
    There is propaganda & lies and then there is the truth. 

    There is..yet your here pushing propaganda and lies without blushing..?
    Jesus…did you people even read the link this piece of &^%$# provided ???
    before you pushed the like button…

    “….The “Holocaust” propaganda…”

    Sigh..way to go letting this sort of %$#@ into here..
    Why did the Germans accused of atrocities during the Nuremberg Trials not use the defence

    “these events never happened..they are lies”

    Tick Tock.
    Instead..they all said.

    .”we had no choice and had to obey orders”

    ..
    Wow..so modern “truth seekers” deny the testimony of the people that were involved in the atrocities..
    We will disregard the reports and testimony by the actual Einsatzgruppen themselves of course..because history is not interesting anymore right..

    [Point made and I believe the offending comment properly snipped. If I missed something please email support. Please do not continue the conversation on this topic. Your upset is noted. Jo's site is NOT the place for this discussion.]ED

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      Also from there

      “Jennifer Marohasy’s Top Ten Hits on the Bureau of Meteorology”

      https://ipa.org.au/ipa-today/jennifer-marohasys-top-ten-hits-on-bom-homogenisation

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        Michael262

        Her beige reef stunt has been refuted by Clarke who said her work was deliberately ‘misinterpreted’ . This is why JM doesn’t like to be reviewed.
        [What no link again? No snide comment on WHAT was "deliberately misinterpreted"? Meh,]ED

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          Michael! Back on your fave topic! We know you’ve just been busting to say something about review, publication etc. Feel better now?

          Of course, you know and I know and everybody knows that a skeptic is free to try for review and publication the way a skeptic is free to pound sand or punch a mattress into submission. Pointless exhaustion followed by pre-arranged exclusion. Which is why you constantly return to the topic, naturally.

          Yep. You know and I know and GeeUp knows and everybody knows…but still the comedy is kept up. We’re all free!

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            Michael262

            mo
            Yes, you’re free to submit your evidence, no one stopping you.
            Still waiting……..

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              How kind of you to invite – yet again! – to another sand-pounding exercise followed by a brisk mattress pummeling.

              The GeeUppers really can’t stand that there’s a place open to the very ideas which their non-observational GameBoy science is out to quash. How dare we!

              This habit of insisting on rank and privilege conferred by the Publish-then-Perish cult…

              I’m reminded of the fawning vicar in a Jane Austen novel whose whole life revolves round his contacts with Lord and Lady So-and-So. No thought-life, no ideas of one’s own. Just…have you seen Lord So-and-so’s new snuff box?

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          Michael262

          What, you can’t look up her paper you so gleefully bagged ?
          I don’t have that big a spoon

          [Again, we can all see your tactic here Michael262. You can't provide the goods, just the noise. - Jo]

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            Michael262

            Jo
            People over the years have provided you with ‘the goods’ , only to be asked for yet more.
            You clearly aren’t interested in facts, only fog.

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              Sure Michael262, the evidence is so overwhelming you can’t lay your hands on it.

              Thanks you for coming to show onlookers just how “strong” your case is. I swear they must think I pay you.

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              Kalm Keith

              Never try to land an ME 262 in fog. If they had radar it was only primitive.

              KK

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              Michael

              You seem unable to cite a single piece of empirical evidence, just one will do, in support of your “cause”. You represent postmodern science, where the facts don’t matter, only feelings.

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    TdeF

    I was concerned until I read it was Germany, the place world famous for violent extremists of every type. It’s not a country famous for flexible people open to debate and reconciliation and to establish a middle ground for constructive informed debate. I remember a world shaking Green tree worshiping movement which started in Munich in a beer hall in 1923. I would close the hotel too.

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    Reed Coray

    I just sent the following email to the NH Hotel Group.

    Ladies and Gentlemen of the NH Group of hotels:

    On 19 November 2019 the news outlet Brietbart ran a story indicating that “the NH Hotel Group will no longer host the 13th annual ‘alternative climate conference’ in Munich…” because a group of activists “staged a protest of the conference including the formation of a flash mob in the hotel lobby, causing a disturbance and distributing flyers to hotel guests.” NH Group of hotels cited “security concerns” as the reason for not hosting the conference.

    I guess the new policy of the NH Group of hotels is: “We kowtow to all protesters.” Why didn’t you use your own internal security or call the police to evict the disrupting protesters? The only difference I can see between your actions and the actions of a typical German hotel in the 1930s hosting a “Jewish Sports Organization Conference” is that the protesters weren’t wearing brown shirts. Shame on you!

    Not that it will affect you much because I rarely travel, but I just made a mental note to avoid staying at an NH Group hotel anytime/anywhere.

    Sincerely,

    Reed Coray

    It’s too late to reverse the decision to ‘dehost’ the EIKE conference; but maybe, just maybe, enough negative responses to the actions of the NH Hotel Group will get their attention. One can but hope.

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    My take is that the banning and harassment are far less serious than the conditioning. The repression of opinion ultimately stimulates curiosity, at least for me. I struggle and wriggle when constricted, and I doubt I’m on my own in that.

    It’s those decades spent comfortably in front of a box soaking up standard opinion and the agenda of the permanent state which will do me in. That’s IF I let standard opinion and the permanent state into my home and head.

    The power of media is such that it dwarfs all bullying and rock-chucking as a means of repression. “Here’s your climate terror and Royal Family gossip for tonight…and would you like fries with that? After the news we have people living tiny and eating bugs; then oddly-gendered people competing over property; then a movie about a person whose autism gives him super-powers; then a late movie about a person becoming something other than a person. More fries with that? And remember to gamble responsibly. By the way, the world ends in twelve years…”

    The most radical and effective first step against growing oppression is to turn off their refuse media. Break their media, their grip will loosen. Keep soaking up their media, they will win.

    Stop globalism. Do tradition, privacy, family, property. Do coal.

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      Kalm Keith

      Apart from occasional holidays, I haven’t watched T.V. for 3 years. The radio plays mostly ABCCC when out driving so I can listen to the multitopic multivariate victimhood discussion with a professor who is an adjunct, conjoint, distinguished or retired professor.
      On the ABCCC, all interviewees must be professors.

      I laugh at it, but for most it is very real and their only source of nourishment.

      KK

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    Drapetomania

    Whats happening.???
    I poke fun at some form of nazi apologist and all I get is..
    Drapetomania
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    I edit and repost under the post.
    Still the same.???

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    OriginalSteve

    O/T…and just when it couldn’t get any weirder……

    Must be a slow news day?

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/people-think-greta-thunberg-is-a-time-traveller-thanks-to-this-old-photo/ar-BBX1dFZ?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout

    “The internet is alive with a brand new conspiracy theory today: That climate change activist Greta Thunberg is a time-traveller sent from the past to save the planet.

    “This fun idea comes to us courtesy of an old photo from the University of Washington Libraries which features a Thunberg lookalike gold mining in the Yukon in 1898.

    “One of the children in the 120-year-old photo bears an uncanny resemblance to the 16-year-old Swede, whose impassioned UN address went viral earlier this year.

    “It wasn’t long before media outlets and online commentators noticed the similarities, developing their own theories about how this curious coincidence came to be.

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    It works both ways. I bid (with some schadenfreude) to interpret an econazi conference in nearby Chile, and next thing I knew some Antifa communists were beating on pans and lighting fires and the “organizers” moved the venue to Spain. The thing was as far as I could tell an absolute communist econazi affair, but someone with an ounce of courage must’ve signed up and triggered the snowflakes. Le plus c´est la même chose…

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    beowulf

    As we appear to be in unthreaded territory, here’s a glimmer of hope from Your ABC, but only a glimmer.

    Ita Buttrose finally gets off her duff and starts earning her keep as ABC Chairwoman.

    The ABC staff “climate crisis group” proposed earlier this week by Executive Producer, Barbara Heggen will not happen according to Ita . . . that is if Ita can defeat the staff bloc on the issue. This might turn into a major give-Ita-the-middle-finger event. It will be a test of who is going to run the ABC, currently run as a Green staff collective.

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2019/11/ita-tells-em-abc-staff-climate-crisis-group-will-not-happen-under-chairwoman-itas-watch.html

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    Just Thinkin'

    When are these companies going to “grow a set”?

    These companies are also part of the problem….

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    WXcycles

    I looked at Ken Stewart’s incremental BOM temperature sensor review last night and to date 33.15% of the fleet of BOM’s Australian temperature sensors are shown to be non-compliant with BOM’s own sensor location and setup guidelines.

    https://kenskingdom.wordpress.com/

    When something looks too good to be true it usually isn’t, and BOM just keeps lowering all professional standards and performance. Over the past 23 years it has been predominantly Lib-Nat administrations in Canberra who have permitted BOM to become so biased, corrupt and unaccountable. And who still do not want to grasp-the-nettle and clean-up the corruption that’s been uncovered and documented. Two-term US President, Harry S. Truman (1945 to 1953) placed a prominent sign on his Oval-Office desk which read:

    THE BUCK STOPS HERE“.

    Scott Morrison does not have one of these.

    The buck gets passed around in a circle-jerk by ‘public servants’ and bureaucrats, and must never ever arrive on Scott Morrison’s desk. Apparently the (alleged) Christian politician doesn’t think the Australian public are interested in the truth of met records, that lies, negligence and concerted corruption will suffice to guide billions in wasteful public policies and a systematically undermined ‘debate’. Apparently nor does Morrison think Australians will wake up to the fraud and hold him directly responsible for Federal govt agency corruption, which can be plainly seen taking place year after year, within BOM.

    You have my vote … of No-Confidence.

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    pat

    community radio’s latest promo for RE…no doubt it will be aired numerous times:

    moving to 100% RE is what we need to do, says SHY.
    Q: what will that do for energy prices?
    SHY: more investment in RE drives power bills down.

    AUDIO: 3min03sec: 20 Nov: The Wire: South Australia’s Tesla battery defies the critics
    Featured in story: Sarah Hansen-Young
    In September 2016, South Australian residents were left without power when violent storms caused the state’s power grid to fail. The storms sparked a highly politicised debate, with blame pointing in the direction of the states use of renewable energy. In 2017, Elon Musk stepped in, promising to build a large lithium-ion battery to solve South Australia’s power shortage woes. It has been a success story helping to save consumers more than $50 million over the first year of operation alone.
    On the back of this success, it was announced today that the battery is set to increase by 50 percent with help from the State and Federal Government.
    Producer: Michaela Komarek
    http://thewire.org.au/story/south-australias-tesla-battery-defies-the-critics/

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    pat

    behind paywall:

    20 Nov: UK Times: Election 2019: Greens pledge £100bn a year for climate change
    by Oliver Wright
    Launching the party’s most radical election manifesto to date yesterday, Jonathan Bartley, its co-leader, likened the threat facing the planet to a war. He pledged that the party would introduce tax and spending policies to decarbonise all sectors of the economy, including a huge investment in renewable power.

    The Greens also pledged to lower income inequality, with higher taxes on corporations and top earners to pay for an £89-a-week universal basic income. Overall the party is proposing borrowing £91.2 billion a year for capital expenditure. A further £9 billion would be raised through tax changes, including raising corporation tax to 24 per cent…
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/election-2019-greens-pledge-100bn-a-year-for-climate-change-jfmzvlvtp

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    el gordo

    ‘EIKE informs they managed to find an appropriate place in Munich, on time and that all the reservations as well as dates remain valid. Unfortunately, for safety reasons, they have to keep the location secret. Free speech in Germany! (But only if you do it in secret).’

    Notrickszone

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    pat

    19 Nov: MIT Technology Review: Why the electric-car revolution may take a lot longer than expected
    An MIT analysis finds that steady declines in battery costs will stall in the next few years
    by James Temple
    Don’t expect electric cars and trucks to get as cheap as their gas-powered rivals anytime soon.
    A new report (LINK) from the MIT Energy Initiative warns that EVs may never reach the same sticker price so long as they rely on lithium-ion batteries, the energy storage technology that powers most of today’s consumer electronics. In fact, it’s likely to take another decade just to eliminate the difference in the lifetime costs between the vehicle categories, which factors in the higher fuel and maintenance expenses of standard cars and trucks.

    The findings sharply contradict those of other research groups, which have concluded that electric vehicles could achieve price parity with gas-powered ones in the next five years…
    If EVs can’t compete directly on price in the marketplace, public policy will need to play a larger role in driving EV adoption and cutting transportation emissions…
    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/614728/why-the-electric-car-revolution-may-take-a-lot-longer-than-expected/

    recently heard a listener on ABC Brisbane bring up the following – EV batteries energy loss during charging. I couldn’t recall having heard about this previously. the “expert” in the studio told the ABC presenter there was a loss, but couldn’t say how much blah bah. the listener got silenced when he tried to recommend some website on the matter (can’t advertise on their ABC, unless it fits the CAGW agenda, naturally).
    anyway, as I don’t know a thing about the subject, am posting the only discussion I found online, which others may like to discuss:

    2016: Researchgate: Question. Boris Ivanov Evstatiev, University of Ruse Angel Kanchev
    How much energy is lost when charging a battery?…

    6 Jun 2019: U. Dreher, ISS innovative software services GmbH
    A “clear” answer cannot be given as charging losses depend on charging mode (slow vs. fast), temperature, battery chemist, form factor and alike.
    Current traction batteriy systems of EVs show a minimum of some 20 – 25 % charging losses during “normal charging” – more during fast-charging.
    Resulting in efficiency figures of 75 – 80 % for normal charging.
    For fast charging I unfortunately have no figures. I would not be surprised to see efficiency go down significantly – even to no more than 30 or 40 %. But the additional losses are only partly due to bettery charging efficiency: a good deal of energy is then required to provide battery cooling – preventing battery overheating.
    Might well be the additional losses are to be attributed 1/3 to increased charging losses and 2/3 to cooling…

    REPLY: 6 Jun 2019: Venkataraman Sekkar, Indian Space Research Organization
    If this is the reality, is solar power or EVs economical alternative conventional energy systems as they are made out to be…
    READ THE REST OF THE REPLIES
    https://www.researchgate.net/post/How_much_energy_is_lost_when_charging_a_battery

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      Serp

      The infeasibility of the assumed EV revolution, on the basis of which many governments throughout the West have already been stampeded into legislating the death of IC engines in the coming two decades, has been demonstrated untold times in the very recent past –the ludicrous triviality of the arithmetic testifies to the paucity of numeracy in today’s society which no longer trains children to be able to give change without a cash register readout and even then their ability to count it correctly is dubious.

      RE shall inevitably die of its own inadequacy over the coming decade and then, finally, the EV hoax will lose popular support.

      In the meantime all we can do is wait patiently while the tycoons mop up the still available subsidies.

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        Just Thinkin'

        If OUR Grubbnmnts want to go ALL EV, then they are
        going to have to build many, many, many more REAL

        POWER STATIONS….

        I don’t reckon ANYONE has done the maths on this…

        Or, if they have, they are hiding it….

        Because they would reckon NO ONE would believe them…

        OH, are they in for a surprise….

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    robert rosicka

    Morrison continues his roller coaster ride of approval with me , just listening to Kenny on sky and I actually heard him say there was no direct link with what we’re doing on emissions and the bushfires .
    He even quoted the “scientists say” back at them .

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    Rob JM

    Ok it seems someone is attempting to delete the list of sceptical scientists from Wikipedia. WTF
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

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    Zane

    The green activists cannot let any truth derail their gravy train. Otherwise they might have to do some productive work… Greenpeace USA used a huge skyborne zeppelin to try to trash the Koch brothers’ reputation. Nasty stuff.

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    Zane

    The German franchise of Greenpeace is the most powerful in Europe, I believe. Then you have home grown wind billionaires like Aloys Wobben of Enercon who need to keep the renewables scam on the rails.

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    Deano

    Over recent years, I’ve noticed our police seem to be increasingly willing to be ‘trained’ to submit to any gang or protected minority willing to confront them. In Perth recently, a bikie funeral was held. The police blocked a major road and several intersections to allow the throng of club members to ride to the cemetery unhindered by red lights or STOP signs etc. The Commissioners explanation was that bikies attending a funeral will traditionally just ignore road rules anyway, so it was best to hold the public back and let them do as they wish. This is surrendering. The message it signals is – “If you threaten the police enough, they will not only give in to you, they will actually use their resources to support your obnoxious behavior.”

    Every parent knows that being nice and agreeable too much can raise a monster.

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    My query is simple. Here in the UK, we have politicians falling out of their prams promising billions sterling for this ‘Carbon’ idea, or that ‘warming revolution’ or any other scare story. why don’t we get them to listen to reason? Why do they all accept the whole ‘Warming Garbage’ without any demurrals whatsoever? We have members of the House of Lords who speak out, but no-one listens.

    The politicians take notice of some 16-year-old schoolgirl, uneducated in anything, because she says the magic words “Climate Change”, but no-one here in the UK seems to understand that All this expense, All these plans to close all the gas-fired power stations, to ban all petrol and diesel cars and trucks, al these bloody wind-farms are there, or are planned, is because they, these bloody politicians, are convinced that if we destroy a perfectly good society, THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL FOLLOW SUIT! All in the headlong chase for a non-existent threat!

    Where is the plain language from a sensible source?

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    Michael

    I guess they still have memories of the Beer Hall Putsch of 1923. Except those deplatformed that night went on to become.. mm maybe not go there.

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    [...] Nova on the European Climate and Energy Institute conference in Munich. The mob tried to shut down these dangerous speakers… but they didn’t win.. though they had to find another venue with only days to [...]

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    Brian R Catt

    These shouty people have a direct link to the Brownshirts of the past, who cleared away reason and justice with violence and terror to impose their will and beliefs, on a population that clearly finds confronting evil harder than compliance with, and active support for, the propaganda of big lies repeated often, backed by violence the weak or compliant state refuses to confront, or chooses to ignore.

    This is how German politicians and insiders have been able to run the biggest climate change protection racket, the renewable subsidy fraud on its people, on Earth. And they believe it!

    It is also the MO of the leaders of the UN IPPC, without the violence, but with ad hom attacks and dismissal from their positions in institutions that give their truth a voice, as the weapons of choice against experts who deny the “consensus” pseudo science on observational fact and physical laws the models take no account of. etc..

    But Germany has worse form, actual violence against those with another point of view is more accepted by the masses, and these greenshirt thugs are evidence of that culture, that is never safe from such manipulative extremism as a result.

    POINT: Perhaps this meeting should move to a more open and democratic country, where facts can safely be considered against rhetoric, the multi €Billion pa renewable energy protection racket is less embedded in government, and will not fund “independent” thugs to maintain its racket, as again was done in the past by the Nazi party? Here?

    REFLECTION: It is a simple and chilling task to rewrite Goering’s words at Nurenburg for climate change, as an existential threat to the nation that demands drastic action all must support, or be labelled a traitor and suffer the consequences of questioning the leadership, all imposed by a willingly compliant nation of followers, stupidly sleepwalking into unquestioning oblivion under the control of their Gauleiters, Ortleiters and Blockleiters. This gneric approach is also used by Thunberg and Extinction Rebeliion, who need to be confronted by reality. Allow them to recruit the masses at your peril. The BBC and your ABC are other such threats to the rule of truth. Maurice Strong would be pleased with this development.

    UN IPCC politics came well before the science was funded to support the false rhetoric of an AGW “consesnsus” that isn’t happening because its models are based on the beliefs of those who wrote them, not in proven physics, again with parallels to the Nazis, to spread the bogus beliefs and ideology required to attack energy use and modern agriculture, the very things that humans have developed to make life so much better for a sustainable developing world.

    We already have Nitrogen tax in the EU, I await IPCC inspired Nitrogen neutral rhetoric, as a complement to the carbon tax, that they are again suggesting governments to impose, as with the attack on energy use to reduce prosperity, to reduce the farming productivity of the developed world to the level of the developing world. That is the problem of the Malthusian UN IPCC and its methods in a nutshell.

    Australia it ain’t. Just sayin’

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    No need to answer, but I am disappointed.

    Email coming your way. – Jo

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    OriginalSteve

    I’d say more like a very long running leash…eventually the rope runs out though……

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