JoNova

A science presenter, writer, speaker & former TV host; author of The Skeptic's Handbook (over 200,000 copies distributed & available in 15 languages).


Handbooks


Advertising


Australian Speakers Agency



GoldNerds

The nerds have the numbers on precious metals investments on the ASX



The Skeptics Handbook

Think it has been debunked? See here.

The Skeptics Handbook II

Climate Money Paper



Archives

Chile cancels UN Climate conference — weeks out — COP25 forced to move

UN logo, full socialist flavourThe next annual giant UN climate junket was due to be held in Santiago, Chile  on Dec 2 – 15. But protests have driven the country into a state of emergency, 20 people have died, and 3 of the countries six train lines are not functional. It’s so bad, it may take six months to restore the train lines. The protests are reminiscent of the Yellow Vests in France — they started over a minor hike in prices (to train tickets) but escalated rapidly, are largely leaderless, but are obviously very angry.

Chile’s president has just, tonight, pulled out of hosting both the UNFCCC conference, and APEC as well.

A few days ago both sides of politics were claiming the protesters as their own. But with this extraordinary news it’s going to be hard for Saint Greta’s team to say that the protesters want carbon taxes and climate action which is why they destroyed the trains.

Greta is on the way overland.

Chile cancels climate and Apec summits amid mass protests

BBC News,

Chile has pulled out of hosting two major international summits, including a UN climate change conference, as anti-government protests continue.

President Sebastián Piñera said the decision “caused him a lot of pain” but his government needed “to prioritise re-establishing public order”.

Apparently the train fares were rising partly because of renewables:

James Taylor, Heartland, Epoch Times

Santiago Metro fares are rising, despite falling oil and gasoline prices, because government officials in 2018 traded out most of the Metro’s energy sources from conventional power to wind and solar power. The Chilean government also hit the portion of conventional power that remains with new carbon dioxide taxes.

In 2015 Chile was the first country in South America to enforce a carbon tax of $5 a ton. The actual dollars didn’t start coming out of people’s wallets until 2018. The government expected to collect $160m in taxes, so that’s less than $10 per capita. But as we all know, there are hidden costs with the “transition” to random energy generators, perhaps the knock on costs are much larger?

This what a real state of emergency looks like — not like the “climate emergencies” we see all the time:

Climate Change News

Since last Friday, the country has seen barricades in the streets, the army deployed in the capital, subway stations burned and thousands of people banging cooking pots in massive “cacerolazos”, or casserole, protests every night, defying the first curfews imposed since the Pinochet dictatorship. A state of emergency has been declared.

The metro in Santiago has been severely damaged, with several stations attacked. The government has recognised the system won’t be completely restored for more than six months. Only three of the six lines are now functional and just a few stations are open.

In just over five weeks time, tens of thousands of UN climate delegates will be trying to reach the Cop25 venue on the outskirts of the city. It is close to Cerrillos station, on the relatively undamaged Line 6. But Line 1, which goes through the centre of the city where most hotels are located, has been hit hard.

 It’s hard to know what the protesters want from far away. The usual news sources are saying the usual catchphrases like “income inequality”, and twenty years later, still “Pinochet”.

The Guardian:

Chile is notorious for its income inequality: the gap between rich and poor has widened in recent years as the combined wealth of its billionaires is equal to 25% of its GDP.

But inequality is multidimensional: Chile’s employment rate languishes at 55%, ..

But perhaps most importantly, they feel discriminated against and humiliated in all these areas as they battle with inadequate public services that fail to level the playing field.

 Maybe Chileans are sick of being treated like dirt, and lectured to by elites that look after themselves at everyone else’s expense.

 

 

h/t Dave B, george, GWPF.

VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
Rating: 9.7/10 (79 votes cast)
Chile cancels UN Climate conference -- weeks out -- COP25 forced to move, 9.7 out of 10 based on 79 ratings

206 comments to Chile cancels UN Climate conference — weeks out — COP25 forced to move

  • #
    ivan

    When the UN is looking for a new venue they should consider Antarctica as it will help all those attending to prepare for what is on the cards to happen.

    250

  • #
    TdeF

    Another South American socialist paradise. In other words a Kleptocracy, like the UN itself and the self justifying socialist IPCC. The IPCC could not exist without Climate Change. It is in their title. But they want Socialist Climate Change, which means everyone’s money. Only Brazil stands out as attempting to create a capitalist consumer society where the rich get richer and the poor get richer too.

    America is the top pick for refugees from everywhere, because their poor people are paid much better than in other countries. Similarly with Britain. Why else would so many people pay so much and risk their lives for menial jobs, as with Chinese in a frozen container? Many have fled to Australia too, from Central and South America.

    Meanwhile everyone except the US is trying to please the IPCC. I doubt a centrist Morrison government will do anything about anything, but at least we now have much more secure borders, unlike most other first world countries. And Boris’ Britain.

    The socialist UN is running out of socialist partners in South America. Formerly rich Venezuela is demonstrating to the rest of South America just how bad socialism can be as a government and from Bolivia to Chile, the people have had enough. And Brazil is the beacon now of strong democratic government aligned with the US with the common goal of making the poor rich. And the rich richer, but it hardly matters in an aspirational free democratic society. Everyone can dream.

    220

  • #
    Kalm Keith

    No Taxation Without Representation.

    Democracy is based on this principle which has been sidestepped by the Elites in Australia.

    Effectively what has happened here in Australia is that the right to Tax us has been transferred to Overseas Interests via the Renewables channel.

    Who authorised this?

    Was any “consideration” involved?

    Every household in Australia is now paying an Extra $1,000 per household per annum over and above the Justifiable cost of Electricity. Why?

    As a side issue there is word that a parcel sent from Canberra to the Great Big Barrier Reef Foundation has gone missing.

    It weighs seven and a half tonnes but is only one third of a cubic metre in volume. It was last seen on a pallet at the Australian mint.

    Please don’t worry, it will probably turn up, after all, Australia isn’t Chile.

    Yet!

    180

    • #
      TdeF

      Before taxation without representation there was just theft.

      The RET is hidden government mandated theft of our cash by electricity companies for the benefit of windmill and solar investors.

      We get nothing for it. We do not own anything.

      Owners get a bonus for just producing electricity and extra if they actually sell it. And if we want electricity, when and if it is available, we have to pay the world’s highest prices most of which is more theft. That’s because the theft is doubled and resold. About $6Billion a year which the government is very careful not to take into general revenue.

      This is the worst case of government theft since King John and before Magna Carta. There is an understanding in English law that the king cannot order the people to give money to his friends for nothing at all. Sadly this has been so successful, governments around the world including in Britain have copied this law.

      Consider the amount of this legally mandated theft scales up as the % target increases as limit of LGC and STC certificates issuable scales up in direct proportion. So there is a great financial incentive to push these limits up. It is an unholy alliance of the Marxists who want revolution in our streets and the destruction of good government with the capitalists who pose as caring benefactors.

      100

      • #
        TdeF

        And I am a proud Climate Denier. There is no climate. None that we can change anyway. There is only the weather and if the real scientists, the meteorologists cannot tell you the weather next month, Tim Flannery cannot tell you if it is going to rain, presumably using kangaroo entrails.

        150

        • #
          TdeF

          And former California Governor Jerry Brown says the wild fires in California are all Donald Trump’s fault.

          There is not even any pretence of logic or science or facts. Like the Extinction Rebellion. Anarchists on parade.
          Sadly even children who think people like Jerry Brown must have some reasoning behind his statement.

          150

  • #
    Latus Dextro

    Maybe Chileans are sick of being treated like dirt, and lectured to by elites that look after themselves at everyone else’s expense.

    No ‘maybe’ here.
    Time for Australia and New Zealand to join the fray and reject the globalist kool aid.
    People across the West are sick of being treated as literal dirt and being told to eat bugs or synthetic meat, walk, bike, don’t fly, don’t drive, don’t, don’t, don’t… while people in developing countries fear being anchored in everlasting dependency and poverty by eco-socialism.

    Being described as an inconvenient infestation on the face of Gaia, being lectured to by UN elites and sycophantic globalist governments obsessing over the neo-Marxist trinity of identity politics, cultural Marxism and political correctness, does not a prosperous, peaceful World make. As we can see, it installs destitution, disquiet, division, exclusion, inequality and inequity.
    “Environmentalism” is no more or less than destructive globalism on ideological steroids.
    Spurn it and those that peddle it as one would a rabid dog.

    A New Conservative Age Is Rising!

    291

    • #
      theRealUniverse

      The last thing Chile needs is a joke fake ‘klimate konference’. Doubt UN will find another gullible fools paradise to host it in. I can imagine lefty eco nutty NZ labour putting up its hand..hope not.

      60

      • #
        Ian Hill

        It will probably be in Melbourne, it anyone’s heard of it!

        Yesterday a bloke rang me from a company’s call centre and said he’s calling from Melbourne. He then added, that’s in Victoria!

        40

      • #
        Latus Dextro

        Probably a wise decision by the Chilean government.
        Pity though.
        The enraged populous might have wrought some climate justice of their own upon the unelected unelectables, with the help of a few lamp posts and piano wire .
        It might have been a glorious beginning of the end for the League of Nations UN.
        History repeats and they don’t know their history;
        they’re in its proverbial gun sights.

        70

  • #

    So Milton Friedman’s “miracle” and poster child of neo-liberalism has topped out.

    Do we look left or right for a new “system”? Or do we recognize that waste and plunder are waste and plunder, that globalism, off-shoring, debt traps and de-industrialization will mangle you slower than communism (you even get to have a boom!)…but they will mangle you.

    Did you know there is a market for old but unused Actil sheets and Tassie-made Blundstone boots? Yep. Those products we were able to make here up to twenty years ago are sought after for quality. We thought they were just the standard stuff. But try buying and using the foreign-made products under the same names. And when the names are dirt…we’ll just buy foreign under foreign names. With luck the foreigners won’t run their own brands down. (So now we now what Kissinger and Mao were really talking about.)

    And now ore and energy-rich Australia can’t run a smelter (though through some magic of the “market” Gupta the Greenie might snap up your smelter and your coal at bargain prices and somehow make it all go). Confused? Well, it was confusing to learn that the people who invested in Trotsky, Lenin and Mao were holed up in citadels of freedom like Wall Street and the City of London.

    Big Green is a big fiddle, and it is the pointy end of globalism. It is socialist, it is corporate. It is public and private at the same time. It is too statist and it is too free of the state.

    And Big Green’s boosters have dictated that corporations and governments may exploit our coal in any amount but the direction must be OFFSHORE. Isn’t that odd? Or I should say: wouldn’t we once have found that odd, before our very thorough conditioning through refuse media?

    Stop globalism. Do tradition, family, property. And do coal.

    200

    • #
      Kalm Keith

      All of our trust in the institutions “guaranteed” by government is misplaced.

      Take superannuation for example: why have many Union “figures” moved on to higher callings at the Union Super setups that invest heavily in renewables.

      Much of the Australian public’s wealth and savings were placed in the share market either directly or through Super funds.

      Ideal target for a bit of Wall street type skimming or gouging.
      What a coincidence that we had share market crashes in 1987 and 2007 where “bad luck” saw many Australians lose decades worth of savings.

      The money actually didn’t get lost, it just went to a new home.

      And all the while, our protective government just stood by and said, this crime is so big we can’t prosecute.

      We urgently need restoration of Truth in government, Honesty in government, Accountability in government and due legal process to punish dishonesty.

      As a beginning, honesty and accountability must be restored to the public service institutions that are supposed to support government and the government media outlets disbanded.

      We’ve had enough.

      KK

      100

      • #

        Thrift and conservation simply are not compatible with Big Green.

        Environmentalism is the ultimate consumer item, alongside Coca-Cola. You buy some useless gunk but through marketing and conditioning you buy a mood and culture to go with the useless gunk. “Things go better with renewables!”

        Big Green is all about borrowing, spending, wrecking and discarding. Its products won’t be so easy to cart away as Coke bottles. When the next green fad comes round you won’t even get 5c in SA for a petered out wind turbine. In fact, you’ll be charged.

        80

        • #
          Greg in NZ

          the people who invested in [ The Scam ] were holed up in citadels of freedom like Wall Street and the City of London” and their fetid spawn still reside therein to this very day, which happens to be the eve of All Saints’ Day, ie. Halloween.

          Accompanied by a stock-standard file pic of steam: “A report from a group of business leaders has found climate change has become a financial and investment risk, which requires strong leadership and urgent attention”. Gobull Governance?

          https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/402165/climate-change-a-financial-and-investment-risk-report

          “The Aotearoa Circle’s Sustainable Finance Forum is made up of public and private sector leaders, committed to sustainable prosperity by reversing the decline of New Zealand’s natural resources… ‘There is significant global momentum around this shift. If large existing capital bases do not direct finance towards more sustainable investments, the outcomes being sought for people and the planet will have little chance of being realised‘” said the chief executive of the New Zealand Superannuation Fund.

          As those other Swedish celebrity pop stars (back in the 70s) sang: Money, Money, Money!

          120

          • #

            It’s staggering what one can get away with in the name of the Blob.

            We had a national leader who, just ahead of the sack, was able to tip $444 million into a green “foundation” with more board members than staff. Much was said about it on sites like this, but little elsewhere. Can you imagine the consultancies, admin overheads and sundries? That sort of dough could keep Greta in yachts for life.

            The same leader as minister found common ground (so to speak) with General Electric when he actually banned the sale of incandescent light bulbs. The planet, doncha know.

            When it’s plutocrats for the planet, no need for subtleties.

            By the way, Greg, I heard some planet-hugging plutocrats are digging their deluxe hidey-holes in the NZ ground. You forgot to warn them about tectonic plates? Or maybe you didn’t want to…

            110

            • #
              Latus Dextro

              I gather Comey want to bolt to his residence in Arrowtown NZ. He may have overlooked that NZ has extradition agreement with the US.

              100

              • #
                Greg in NZ

                Having lived/worked in-and-around Arrowtown over the decades, one did notice some very odd types appearing in that quaint neck of the woods nestled at the far (frozen) end of the Enchanted Valley.

                Whether it’s Millbrook or the secret-handshake Lodge, intrigue was always the name of their game.

                80

              • #
                Latus Dextro

                Ah ha. Very good Greg. He stayed at Millbrook just prior to returning to the US to announce his clearance of HRC and to organise the cabal and coup. I was there a few days after his departure. My resident host, rather a curtain twitcher, enjoyed his moment titillating the ocelot.

                20

              • #
                Greg in NZ

                A buddy, born-and-bred 4th-generation Cantonese/NZ gold miner, had all sorts of maps from the old days. My favourite was from the late 1800s where a geologist had walked/mapped (not modelled) the Wakatipu Valley and its intersecting fault lines crisscrossing hither and thither. One ran north-eastwards from the lake, across the valley, under Millbrook, right through Arrowtown and on up into the Arrow Gorge to Macetown.

                Have a photocopy of it somewhere, couldn’t find it on the net, yet did find this spectacular 397-page Illustrated Guide to NZ Geology by Peter Ballance, updated in 2017. No info on the Arrow Fault but hours of enjoyment none-the-less. Rock on!

                https://www.geotrips.org.nz/downloads/Ballance_NZ_Geology-V2.pdf

                40

            • #
              theRealUniverse

              ‘You forgot to warn them about tectonic plates? Or maybe you didn’t want to…’ You mean the next mag 8 rattle of the Alpine fault? Hmm.

              40

              • #
                sophocles

                What?
                Why warn them?
                Why chase all that cash out of the country?
                Don’t be silly …
                If they can’t do Due Diligence on the South Island’s Alpine Fault and work out the risk for themselves, why should we tell them?

                I know of a couple of good properties round that way for sale for a good price, only a couple of mill each.,
                Interested?

                (Next big quake is anytime soon …just don’t tell anyone …)

                40

          • #
            Latus Dextro

            Radio NZ. Predictable, dull witted propaganda and indoctrination for the dull witted, down to the requisite photo of belching steam smoke stacks.
            UNEP divestment and the blob mantra of “ethical investment.” just more of the same green scam for the dull witted and doomed to failure like the long list of green failures under the divider-in-chief, Barry Hussein.

            60

  • #

    As with the Olympics, why not just have it at the same place each year in Europe? That was a rhetorical question by the way.

    90

  • #
    el gordo

    They seem to have only two economic classes, filthy rich and miserably poor. These riots wouldn’t happen in Australia.

    45

  • #
    Lionell Griffith

    The governing elites don’t get it. They no longer control events. The elites depend upon the masses to pay their bills. Without that payment, the elites stand upon nothing and can do nothing. More and more the masses are saying NO! Unless they leave the scene, it is going to get still more ugly.

    Prediction: they won’t leave because they believe down to their toenails that there is always more to take and the masses can’t get their acts together.

    They never learn.

    120

    • #
      el gordo

      I’m feeling the vibe.

      ‘That day, students in Santiago called for widespread fare evasion on social media using the hashtag #EvasionMasiva. The turnstile-hopping rapidly devolved into larger demonstrations and chaos, with looting in supermarkets, rioting in the streets, and the torching of 22 metro stations.’

      Vox

      60

  • #

    They will probably hold COP25 in Bonn, Germany, which can be cold in December, or January if it is delayed so 20,000 carbon burning delegates can get flights and rooms. It was a ho hum agenda anyway. Next year is the crescendo.

    100

    • #
      Greg in NZ

      But think of all the carbon dioxide *pollution* saved by tens of thousands of Global Governance Groupies not flying south to Chile.

      I’ve heard Santiago is a lovely place in summer – especially for those northern hemisphere bureaucrats keen on escaping the harsh reality of ‘winter’ back in their Mother Father Home lands.

      90

      • #
        theRealUniverse

        Yep theres REAL globull warmung in NA right now!..

        ‘Denver – Cold records shattered three days in a row’
        ‘All-time record cold sweeps Alberta’
        ‘Freeze warnings from Texas to Michigan and the entire Mid-South’
        ‘Pueblo, Colorado breaks 102-year-old snowfall record’

        AND this beauty…
        ‘Global warming can cause colder winters, says USA Today – Video’.. Hmm yep warming causes colder conditions..you cant have your cake and eat it too it appears..

        iceagenow.info

        60

      • #
        sophocles

        They could hold it in Wellington again. Mr Shaw would just drool and dribble and might even faint at the prospect of playing host to his heroes —Mickey Mann et al — again. It would be a second chance to promote his Tropical Cyclone Category Six index. You know: the really important one.

        The attendees could surf in the harbour on the Interislander wakes and have lots of sunshine fun like that. Their safety is assured with no marine sharks to worry about: they strand on the mud flats, chased there by the visiting orca. A few kegs of 45 South (the world’s most viciously raw whisky) would provide all the provocative lubrication necessary.

        50

  • #
    RickWill

    If you have the unfathomable urge to support a climate emergency, I learnt of this p[etition yesterday:
    https://www.change.org/p/scott-morrison-declare-a-climate-emergency?cs_tk=Aqj9tlSg4qyAIpMcvV0AAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvMfViPbjkJhCrNJh_6xNI9w%3D&utm_campaign=2bf5976a81f943ae82e5274bbb007f22&utm_medium=email&utm_source=aa_editorial&utm_term=cs

    In case you did not know:

    More than 60 per cent of Australians agree with the sentiment that “Global warming is a serious and pressing problem. We should begin taking steps now even if this involves significant cost”. Even those who voted for the Liberal or Nationals identify climate change as a major concern.

    Dingbats disrupting day-to-day activities of others is the only emergency I am observing. Then there is the ever increasing cost of energy and the increasing likelihood of power outages that could be considered real emergencies.

    The weather is warming up in Australia so the dingbats in this part of the world may return to their air-conditioned caves soon.

    140

    • #
      Greg in NZ

      10.07 am today:
      “Police have broken up an attempt by climate activists to block a busy street in Christchurch as part of a protest outside a gas industry meeting”.

      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/402176/extinction-rebellion-activists-protest-at-gas-industry-forum

      “About 30 members of Extinction Rebellion… twice blocked the square during the morning, stalling traffic as cars backed up. Five minutes into the second blockage, nine police officers formed a line and marched the protesters off the road” and into the nearest holding cell? Into the sewage ponds? Into the sea? We shall fight them on the beaches

      A Stinky spokes-thingy, “Ms Stainhope said investing in gas was prolonging a damaging industry and systemic change was needed to cope with the climate emergency”.

      Stainhope? Stainthorpe? Even the churnalist can’t get his/her/they/its facts correct. Happy Halloween Heniers! (that’s a male deиier btw)

      70

    • #
      Latus Dextro

      More than 60 per cent of Australians agree with the sentiment that …

      Given that 80% Australians reside in urban centres, that’s a slam dunk for the latte swilling globalista then.

      40

    • #
      AndyG55

      Sorry, but the REAL DANGER is the “climate change™” AGENDA.

      This ridiculous anti-progress anti-plant-life anti-CO2 agenda needs to stop.

      20

  • #
    Another Ian

    O/T Jo quoted

    “Climate Scientist in Hot Water over Climate Drought Link Statements”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/30/climate-scientist-in-hot-water-over-climate-drought-link-statements/

    70

  • #
    Damian Ousley

    O dear! Greta will have to cancel her bananna boat voyage to Chile where she wad to attend Cop 25. She may now have to ask one of her friends connected to the billionaires that have a carbon trading scheme,to borrow a racing sail boat to get back to Europe.The conference may now be scheduled for one of the regular UN centres.ie Bonn etc.

    80

    • #
    • #
      sophocles

      To Darnian Ousley @ #12

      The banana boats don’t do the South American West Coast. That’s more a fishing fleet — which has even greater prospects for a sick sea voyage.
      She has two seasick choices: First choice would be a long sail with lots of opportunity for sea-sickness. Chile is on the Pacific Ocean side of South America so across the Pacific, run the pirates through the Sunda Strait then round India, run the Somali pirates into the Red Sea and back to Sweden through the Mediterranean. That would give lots of opportunity — thousands of miles — for motion sickness. She might never see school again — give that pirate a medal!

      Although, this years Round the World race may already be underway (I haven’t looked.) her Second Choice is to hitch a ride with a Norwegian/Swedish/Danish/English/German entry to round Cape Horn and transit the Straits of Magellan and that’s not only f-f-f-freezing cold but really bouncy water — nice for the motion sickness sensitives.

      50

      • #

        Say, sophocles, ‘schadenfreude,’ never leave home without it! :)

        20

        • #
          sophocles

          I took lots of delight from writing that. Not! I’ve not yet ever been sea-sick. My wife was, twice, on the Interislander crossing Cook Strait. So I bought her a plane ticket to Wellington for the return journey, which she refused. Dammit. I suffered the whole three hours with her except I ate lunch and she didn’t.

          If you look at it closely, you will see that it’s a fairly accurate summary of the sailing options, with the single exception of the pirate — and that was just for some romantic “realism.” Besides: the homeward trip transport has neither been decided nor announced. Yet.

          (thinks: is there an emoji poking its tongue out?)

          Blppprpttjblppprpth! :-)

          30

  • #
    Graeme No.3

    The real reason for the cancellation is that Greta cannot get to Chile in time for the start.

    60

  • #
    David Maddison

    But what is the REAL reason?

    Perhaps it was because Chile would be embarrassed by not having sufficient parking places at the airport for all the private jets that fly in to these climate conferences?

    120

    • #
      Greg in NZ

      And that carbonic pollution patch – emitted by Aus & NZ and now trapped by the Andes – those poor pilots would have to fly through (and down into and beneath!). Oh the humanity: think of their children and their children’s children’s children’s children.

      It’s still freezing and snowing up on the hills east of Santiago, half-a-metre in some places. Nothing that a good Cabernet Sauvignon couldn’t cure…

      https://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/santiago?over=none&symbols=snow&type=snow.last7days

      80

      • #

        …..think of their children and their children’s children’s children’s children.

        Yeah! Not a bad album really, of the eight of theirs I have, but I much preferred Seventh Sojourn and Days Of Future Passed.

        Tony.

        50

        • #
          Greg in NZ

          Saw them play live in Brisbane early 80s.

          An old hippy flatmate had In Search Of The Lost Chord (on cassette tape) which I played incessantly one summer of bliss.

          ♬ Legend Of A Mind ♬ The Best Way To Travel ♬ Om ♬

          40

        • #
          GD

          The Moody Blues, a very interesting philosophical band. As a teenager, I was a fan.

          The Moody Blues preceded the 70s new age movement.

          30

  • #
    pat

    24 Oct: Xinhua: Chile’s president inks bill to cut electricity costs amid unrest
    Chilean President Sebastian Pinera signed a bill on Thursday to overturn a recent hike in electricity rates, one of several measures aimed at calming social upheaval.
    “This is good news for almost 7 million households,” Pinera said after signing the bill at the presidential headquarters, accompanied by Energy Minister Juan Carlos Jobet and Interior Minister Andres Chadwick.

    The electricity rates stabilization bill cancels a 9.2-percent increase in electricity prices, which are expected to fall in 2021 due to the introduction of renewable energies and a stronger Chilean peso.
    “Without a doubt, this means relief in the electric bill,” Pinera said…
    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/25/c_138501580.htm

    24 Sept: Ensia: How did Chile become a global climate leader?
    The unexpected emergence of this Latin American nation as an environmental force to be reckoned with holds lessons for the rest of the world.
    In June 2019, Piñera launched an ambitious national climate change agenda. Chile plans to close its 28 coal-fired power plants by 2040. It proposes to fill the resulting 40% gap in its electricity mix, plus all future growing demand, with renewable energy — with the goal of achieving carbon neutrality by 2050.

    “Being the host of the summit puts the eyes of the world on what the country is doing to be consistent between discourse and action to address the challenge of climate change,” says Matías Asun, director of Greenpeace Chile…
    As the U.S., Brazil and other prominent nations backtrack on previous commitments, the Piñera administration is painting climate change action as a bipartisan, common-sense opportunity for growth…

    Chinese investment in the Chilean economy, particularly in renewable energy and electric urban mobility, is widespread and profound. And Chile serves as Latin America’s “gateway” and primary connection for China’s Belt and Road Initiative for global connectivity and transportation — although Piñera recently voiced concerns amid growing criticisms of the initiative’s environmental track record…
    https://ensia.com/articles/chile-climate-leader-cop25/

    70

  • #
    John PAK

    This is one of those rare moments in life when I can go to work with a sense of joy at the unrest in others’ lives. No doubt
    “our ABC” will put a non-climate agenda spin on this one. Let’s hope the real people in Chile win out and before too much more damage is done to their society.

    80

  • #
    Salome

    I love the way the Guardian introduces an obvious poverty problem with ‘inequality’. I don’t care how rich the rich get. I just care that I and the rest of the poor have enough to get by on with dignity. We all know where an insistence on ‘equality’ will lead–universal poverty (except for those in power, who miraculously aren’t equal after all).

    140

    • #
      Latus Dextro

      Pursuing ‘envy based politics’ is a poor road, or better, a road to the poor house.
      Wealth is created.
      DENY NO ONE THE OPPORTUNITY.

      30

  • #
    pat

    noted from Jo’s link:

    ClimateChangeNews: Lucía Dammert, a Chilean security expert, said: “If this is not resolved well, the Cop may be ideal for mobilisations to resurface. And what the government does not want is that this overflows to the Cop.”
    Dammert said it “would be the end of the president’s international legacy” if the current repression, including deployment of armed forces, continued, ***while “hundreds of international climate activists” ***joined the local movement on the streets…

    for the record: Lucia Dammert (who has consulted for the Inter-American Development Bank, the World Bank, the United Nations Development Program, and the European Commission – Wilson Center) re-tweeted Bernie Sanders on her Twitter page:

    TWEET: Lucia Dammert
    Bernie sobre Chile..
    30 Oct 2019
    TWEET: Bernie Sanders
    In Chile, a billionaire president pushes austerity while the military represses protesters. Thousands have been arrested. Knowing Chile’s history, this is very dangerous.
    The solution here and across the world is obvious. Put power where it belongs: with working people.
    30 Oct 2019
    https://twitter.com/LuciaDammert/status/1189651349350301698

    who recalls that the first Yellow Vests protest was held on 17 Nov 2018, the exact same date considered to be the first proper protest by Extinction Rebelllion?

    the anti-CAGW pollicy Yellow Vests were treated very differently by the MSM than the pro-CAGW XR mob. sadly, the XR mob has become a FAUX climate protest movement, embraced by MSM everywhere, for whom trillions of wasted CAGW policy dollars represents no climate action at all!

    but they make it difficult for genuine grass-roots action against CAGW POLICIES to emerge.

    more to come.

    50

    • #
      pat

      Guardian’s coverage of the two 17 Nov 2018 protests, with not a single reference to the other protest in either piece. XR – 6,000 protesters, but already an international phenomenon, with academic & financial support. Yellow Vests – 244,000 – an angry mob!

      18 Nov 2018: Guardian: Dozens arrested after climate protest blocks five London bridges
      Thousands of protesters occupied bridges across the Thames over extinction crisis in huge act of peaceful civil disobedience
      by Matthew Taylor and Damien Gayle
      Protesters, including families and pensioners, began massing on five of London’s main bridges from 10am on Saturday. An hour later, all the crossings had been blocked in one of the biggest acts of peaceful civil disobedience in the UK in decades. Some people locked themselves together, while others linked arms and sang songs…
      Afterwards, demonstrators gathered in Parliament Square to hear speeches. Roger Hallam, one of the strategists behind the actions, told the Guardian he felt the protest had been fantastic.
      “This is total prediction stuff, mass participation civil disobedience,” he said. “They can’t do anything about it unless they start shooting people, and presumably they won’t do that.”
      The day was due to end with an interfaith ceremony outside Westminster Abbey.

      The move is part of a campaign of mass civil disobedience organised by a new group, Extinction Rebellion, which wants to force governments to treat the threats of climate breakdown and extinction as a crisis.
      “The ‘social contract’ has been broken … [and] it is therefore not only our right but our moral duty to bypass the government’s inaction and flagrant dereliction of duty and to rebel to defend life itself,” said Gail Bradbrook, one of the organisers…

      Father Martin Newell said on Blackfriars Bridge: “What brought me here is the climate emergency, the extinction emergency and my faith in God who created all this and whose creation we’re destroying and crucifying … I’m called as a Christian to protect our neighbour who’s being abused.”…

      In the past two weeks more than 60 people have been arrested for taking part in acts of civil disobedience organised by Extinction Rebellion ranging from gluing themselves to government buildings to blocking major roads in the capital.
      However, those disruptions were eclipsed on Saturday, when organisers say ***6,000 people took part in protests…

      The group, which was established only a couple of months ago, has raised around £50k in small-scale donations in the past weeks.
      It now has offices in central London and over the past few months has been holding meetings across the country, outlining the scale of the climate crisis and urging people to get involved in direct action this weekend.
      “Local groups are setting up across the country and even new groups are seeing around 100 people come to meetings, and we have coaches coming, from Newcastle to Plymouth,” said Rupert Read, a philosophy academic at the University of East Anglia…

      The campaign hit the headlines a couple of weeks ago when the former archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams was one of almost 100 academics to come out in favour of it.
      In a letter published in the Guardian (LINK) they said: “While our academic perspectives and expertise may differ, we are united on this one point: we will not tolerate the failure of this or any other government to take robust and emergency action in respect of the worsening ecological crisis. The science is clear, the facts are incontrovertible, and it is unconscionable to us that our children and grandchildren should have to bear the terrifying brunt of an unprecedented disaster of our own making.”
      The civil disobedience comes amid growing evidence of looming climate breakdown and follows warnings from the UN that there are only 12 years left to prevent global ecological disaster.
      The group is also making international contacts, with 11 events planned in seven countries so far, including the US, Canada, Germany, Australia and France.
      “To properly challenge the system that is sending us to an early grave we have to be bold and ambitious,” said Read. “Forging new connections across the world and learning from each other.”
      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/17/thousands-gather-to-block-london-bridges-in-climate-rebellion

      18 Oct 2018: Guardian: One killed and hundreds injured in French anti-Macron protests
      Death at ‘gilet jaunes’ demonstration caused by panicking driver as anti-fuel tax blockade grips country
      by Kim Willsher in Paris
      One protester has died and more than a hundred were injured after a nationwide wave of peaceful protests aimed at French president Emmanuel Macron turned to tragedy.
      Demonstrators from the gilets jaunes – yellow vests – movement had called for people to turn out and gridlock France’s road network to show their anger at increases in fuel taxes.

      As early-morning demonstrators gathered around the country, one person was killed at Pont-de-Beauvoisin in the south-east Savoie region. The local prefect, Louis Laugier, said a motorist taking one of her children to the doctor had been stopped by protesters at a roundabout, but ran over a 63-year-old woman after demonstrators began banging on the roof of her car. “It appears the woman panicked, accelerated and ran over a person who died,” Laugier said. The driver was arrested.

      Across France, 106 people were injured, five seriously. In Arras in the north a 71-year-old demonstrator struck by a car suffered serious injuries. Police said most of the accidents were caused by drivers colliding with crowds of protesters as they tried to force their way through roadblocks.
      The gilets jaunes movement had called on supporters to force a go-slow outside city centres, airports, motorways and major roads, in protest at government increases in taxes on petrol and diesel. By Saturday lunchtime, police said around ***244,000 people had turned out at 2,000 demonstrations across the country, but also in French overseas territories including Corsica. Fifty-two people were arrested, they said.

      Police used teargas in clashes with protesters slowing vehicles entering the Mont Blanc tunnel linking France and Italy, and demonstrators completely blocked the Pont de Normandie across the Seine that links Le Havre to Honfleur. As night fell, dozens of police reinforcements were deployed in central Paris to prevent demonstrators reaching the Élysée Palace. The gilets jaunes had said it wanted to have a show of numbers, not of force, but the authorities feared the peaceful protest could degenerate.

      The scale of the spontaneous popular revolt revealed an unexpected level of public discontent, with President Macron accused of being out of touch with the problems of ordinary people. Although sparked by higher fuel prices, the protests revealed a wider crisis of confidence in the centrist government. Ministers and officials insist the tax rises are a necessary measure to wean France from its dependence on fossil fuels…

      “We need reform, but not to the detriment of people’s pockets. We all bought diesel vehicles because we were told they were good, now they are punishing us because they say diesel is bad,” said Roger Ordonez, owner of a building company. “They are killing us off. We open our mouths they tax us, we shut them, they tax us. What is happening is totally unfair and we are totally fed up with this government.”

      Cyrille Charton, an agrifood sales rep, added: “People from every social background are here because we are all affected. They expect us to pay 30% more for fuel, but if I tell my clients they will have to pay 30% more for products they’d think I was joking. We’ve had enough.”…

      The French government has offered financial aid for motorists who want to exchange older vehicles for newer cleaner models, but critics say it is not enough. A survey by pollster Elabe for Le Figaro newspaper found 73% of people supported the gilets jaunes action and 70% wanted the government to abandon fuel tax rises.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/17/french-protester-killed-accident-anti-fuel-tax-blockade

      50

      • #
        pat

        check the academics who declared support before XR even began their faux climate campaign:

        27 Oct: Guardian: Facts about our ecological crisis are incontrovertible. We must take action
        Humans cannot continue to violate the fundamental laws of nature or science with impunity, say 94 signatories including Dr Alison Green and Molly Scott Cato MEP
        While our academic perspectives and expertise may differ, we are united on one point: we will not tolerate the failure of this or any other government to take robust and emergency action in respect of the worsening ecological crisis. The science is clear, the facts are incontrovertible, and it is unconscionable to us that our children and grandchildren should have to bear the terrifying brunt of an unprecedented disaster of our own making…
        The “social contract” has been broken, and it is therefore not only our right, but our moral duty to bypass the government’s inaction and flagrant dereliction of duty, and to rebel to defend life itself.
        We therefore declare our support for Extinction Rebellion, launching on 31 October 2018. We fully stand behind the demands for the government to tell the hard truth to its citizens. We call for a Citizens’ Assembly to work with scientists on the basis of the extant evidence and in accordance with the precautionary principle, to urgently develop a credible plan for rapid total decarbonisation of the economy…
        ***SIGNATORIES …READ ON
        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/26/facts-about-our-ecological-crisis-are-incontrovertible-we-must-take-action

        BBC’s two pieces. XR – you speak, we will report, incl your claims re numbers of protesters, and we’ll get Harrabin to back you up:

        17 Nov 2018: BBC: Extinction Rebellion protests block London bridges
        Protesters blocked off five major bridges in central London as part of a so-called “rebellion day”.
        Organisers said thousands gathered in central London to demand the government take greater action on climate change…
        They later moved on from the crossings to a rally in Parliament Square…

        Tiana Jacout, of Extinction Rebellion, said the blockages were “not a step we take lightly” but “if things continue as is, we face an extinction greater than the one that killed the dinosaurs”.
        “We have tried marching, and lobbying, and signing petitions. Nothing has brought about the change that is needed.”
        According to the group, 6,000 people joined the protests and more than 85 were arrested…

        Two protesters on Westminster Bridge, who did not want to be named, told the Press Association they “truthfully believe we’re all heading for extinction”.
        “Climate change is so important, it’s coming over so fast and nothing is being done,” the women said…

        Is the protest fair?
        By Roger Harrabin, BBC environment analyst
        We haven’t seen a British green group quite like this before. It thinks marching with placards has failed, so it’s aiming to make mayhem instead.
        But have the protestors picked the right target?
        The UK is in the leading pack of nations in cutting the CO2 emissions that are over-heating the planet…
        And the government has kept pace with the step-by-step targets so far, mostly by stopping coal-burning for electricity.
        It promises to meet future targets too – although its advisers warn it has to improve by getting more electric cars on the road, and making homes and businesses more energy efficient.
        The protesters say the targets will be breached if the government spends £30bn on new roads, encourages fracking and looks to expand aviation even further.
        Climate change demands a seismic shift in society, they say. And they’re not seeing that yet.
        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-46247339

        same as The Guardian:

        17 Nov 2018: BBC: France fuel protest: One dead in ‘yellow vest’ blockades
        One protester has died and more than 200 were injured as more than a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.
        The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.
        The “yellow vests”, so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts…

        Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.
        But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not “really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders”.
        Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme…

        Some 280,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.
        It said 227 people were injured during the day, seven seriously, with 52 people arrested.
        Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

        Why are drivers on the warpath?
        The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months…
        World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.
        The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.
        Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments

        How big is the movement?
        It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes…

        The BBC’s Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron’s economic policies.
        Are opposition politicians involved?
        They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter…
        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46233560

        40

      • #
        Greg in NZ

        Lest We Remember

        “I will pay for my loyalty to the people with my life. And I say to them that I am certain that the seeds that we have planted in the good conscience of thousands and thousands of Chileans will not be shriveled forever.”

        Salvador Allende, September 11, 1973

        http://www.sbs.com.au/theother911/

        40

  • #
    frederik wisse

    Chili is the most developed country in South America .Santiago is a masterpiece when compared to other big metropoles in South America . Streets are relativily safe and no-go areas are miniscule in comparison with other south-american cities . Drug=related problems are hardly noticeable in the inner-cities of Chili like even the US cities are showing very explicitely . The Chileans are proud and very self-conscious and very involved in creating a just society .Hopefully they will be able to liberate themselves of the yoke by the globalists and their ideologic climate-hogwash and construe a free society based upon fairness and justice .Hurray for Chili and the indepence that is so rmmarkeable for its society .

    90

    • #
      Greg in NZ

      Hurray for Chili – because chili are hot (yum) – must be our fault. //facetious, flippant, having fun :-)

      50

    • #
      Fran

      Thanks as a Chilean frederik; you’re right, Santiago is pretty safe for the most part, plus Chile and has progressed by leap and bounds since the 90s. As you say, drug related issues are relegated to some poor and violent areas in the big cities (terribly), and you don’t see homelessness at the scale big cities in the US have…I have been in California and I can’t believe how many there are, I attribute it to the fact that we have universal healthcare coverage (our hospitals are perpetually under-funded and under-staffed, but still). That’s why this movement is more akin the yellow vests in France than the riots in Bolivia for example; we’re considered a high-income country, but the system is not fair at all. The 1% here holds about 30% of the GDP of the country!
      I’m glad to hear your optimism; that’s what we all want down here. This movement was overdue, we were all fed of the abuses and inequality, although it’s scary to be living it!

      60

  • #
    Peter Fitzroy

    OT
    Just back from Koala patrol, did not see any, but did see a lot of deer tracks.

    For those of you unfamiliar with this sort of work, it’s very tiring as you have to wear full PPE, and you are in a dangerous environment, in this case partly burnt peat bog, where the footing is very unstable.

    PPE in this case includes a particulate filter, full eye protection, steel cappers, hard hat, treated shirt and pants.

    You get hot, you can not get a full breath, and even getting a drink as tricky. You have to be aware of your surroundings, and your team, and you have to keep that up while looking for what is best described as a stump that shouldn’t move, but does.

    When you get home, wash the clothes for an hour, and yourself as well. Both should be as hot as possible as this loosens hitchhikers like ticks and leeches. hope that no one else will notice the smokey smell.

    For those who doubt my credentials, I’m on facebook, instagram, and linkedin – if you can not work out my handle on those platforms robert rosicka can help you

    For those who expressed concern yesterday and last night my thanks, on sober reflection, I should not have reacted the way I did.

    The wind is up again, and by the aerial activity there are some flare ups.

    75

    • #
      Yonniestone

      Those Koala’s are in enough distress without a retarded Numbat trying to help them, virtue signal all you want but at the end of the day your’e still a twat.

      [There is no prize for being childish and ridiculous. Jo's rules require you to avoid name calling and remain civil. Disagree all you want but no name calling. If you can't follow that simple rule, stay silent. Remember, I can snip.] AZ

      73

      • #
        Peter Fitzroy

        From someone who uses a pseudonym to harass and bully – go soak your head

        [There is no prize for being childish and ridiculous. Jo's rules require you to avoid name calling and remain civil. Disagree all you want but no name calling. If you can't follow that simple rule, stay silent. Remember, I can snip.] AZ

        42

        • #
          AndyG55

          Sounds like you have been soaking your head in booze again, PF !!

          [There is no prize for being childish and ridiculous. Jo's rules require you to avoid name calling and remain civil. Disagree all you want but no name calling. If you can't follow that simple rule, stay silent. Remember, I can snip.] AZ

          41

      • #
        Peter Fitzroy

        I note that you left Yonnistone’s comment up for 4 hours

        14

    • #
      • #
        Dennis

        No green dotty?

        40

      • #
        beowulf

        Peter, we’re glad to hear by your breathless account that you’re OK, but give the histrionics a rest. I’ve fought fires too in heat far greater than this; no aerial support, just mugs on the ground, knapsacks, dragging full 2 inch canvas hoses up slopes you could barely walk up — the whole bit. We weren’t traffic controllers or koala-finders, we just put the bloody thing out then went home. No medals, no ticker-tape, no preening. This sounds like it’s the first real bushfire you’ve ever seen despite being a fire modeller.

        I’m learning heaps too. I had no idea koalas lived in peat bogs. Fancy that? I also didn’t know ticks and leeches could withstand intense bushfire “hot enough to evaporate the water jets before they hit the fire”. Another first. And how does peat form in a brackish lakebed unless there is an acid sulphate problem, or are you just talking about a build-up of casuarina needles? If there is an acid sulphate issue why hasn’t the council opened up the sandbar at the mouth of Cathie Creek to let salt water back into the lake?

        How long since all that coastal tea-tree scrub near Lake Cathie burnt? It was a jungle the last time I drove up that road to Port, but that was years ago. What manner of genius allowed a new housing estate to be built on the western side of the creek surrounded by forest/bush on all sides with one small bridge for escape? And what manner of genius would live there in a flammable landscape?

        The Camden Haven/Wauchope district is known for its forests and its fires. The very first time I drove into the hills there decades ago, the first thing I noticed was the old fire scars on the gums — not just near ground level — 30 or 40 feet up. Please in your subsequent posts don’t try and tell us this bushfire is unprecedented like your claims about certain patches of rainforest a month ago.

        100

        • #
          Kalm Keith

          :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

          So much reality !!!

          Where I live in Newcastle the area was basically fire proof.

          Then the left nutters introduced the eco rules;

          1. Trees are natural, plant them anywhere. The water and sewer pipes will be O.K.

          2. Trees are natural. Don’t prune them, even if a 250 kg branch is growing horizontally over your house.

          3. We’re sorry that your household insurance didn’t cover the tree damage when the branch broke off, but please consider the environment as sacred and worth any sacrifice.
          By you.

          4. If a falling branch brings down the lower lines, we are not responsible. Nature did it.

          5. Please vote for us at the next election.

          The world has gone mad.

          KK

          80

          • #
            Kalm Keith

            And of course.

            We are no longer fire proof, but subject to the most vicious firestorms along the coast from Merewether to Dudley in 100 years.

            And don’t speak about the port Stephens peninsula.
            Horrendous.

            Leadership.

            What’s that?
            KK

            50

            • #
              beowulf

              And your favourite Keith — Glenrock, and my favourite — Fingal headland, both burnt to a crisp due to a complete lack of management by cool burns.

              40

              • #
                Kalm Keith

                So obvious.

                So unethical.

                So inconsiderate of the plant and animal life.

                So much coffee shop naturalism.

                Politics Sux.

                50

        • #
          Peter Fitzroy

          So much misunderstanding.

          Buy the way I did old style fire fighting, back in the day.

          Keep up the pretence of being resonable

          15

        • #
          Peter Fitzroy

          So much misunderstanding.

          Buy the way I did old style fire fighting, back in the day.

          Keep up the pretence of being resonable

          04

        • #
          Peter Fitzroy

          yep, once you go west of the the old shoreline (2 million years ago), and into the hills where the red cedar used to grow, it is a completely different environment. But you would not have realised that, ‘casu if you did, you would not have made that comment

          17

          • #
            Kalm Keith

            Sorry.

            Divide that by 1,000, and get to 2,000 years ago.

            Yes, the water levels at Lake Cathie were 1.2 metres higher then.

            They’ve dropped. My geology teacher knew that in the sixties, heresy.

            This is getting weirder by the minute.

            40

          • #
            beowulf

            You’re correct — I have zero knowledge of or interest in the shoreline 2 million years ago. I am however well aware of different vegetation types and alliances. I am well aware of what soil types support different plant communities. A month ago you tried to tell me that Boobialla and Swamp Mahogany were rainforest at the Myall Lakes. Your botany is as advanced as your climatology. Don’t try to teach me botany PF, because I will nail you every time.

            I’m talking eucalypt forest burning to the west of Lake Cathie, not rainforest burning in the mountain gullies, not Comboyne rainforest etc

            PS. I grew up in red cedar and rosewood country, not on the edge of an airport.

            40

    • #
      Peter Fitzroy

      Oh, and this is the worst fire in the history of this area, which has records going back to its founding in 1821. AGW has its fingerprints all over it.

      312

      • #
        Sceptical Sam

        Turn it up.

        Read the science.

        50

        • #
          Greg in NZ

          Sticky fingers, more like it. Your BoMsters must’ve been gritting their teeth when they had to write this today:

          http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDW21037.shtml Western Australia Severe Weather Warning 1

          “Cold and squally conditions may produce severe weather over southwest WA from overnight Thursday…

          “A deep cold pool will move across southern WA overnight Thursday and during Friday morning…

          “This is typical winter-time weather over southwest WA, however it is unusual for these weather conditions to occur this late in the year”.

          It would appear that deep cold pool of Antarctic-bred ‘fresh air’ is pushing warm desert air ahead of itself. Hmm, cause or effect? If you can’t picture that in your mind’s eye, here’s today’s midday satellite image clearly showing that LARGE swirling COLD system roiling underneath WA on its way eastwards. Snowing on Bluff Knoll yet?

          http://www.fvalk.com/images/Day_image/HIM-0000.jpg

          50

      • #
        Dave

        Expensive real estate in that area Peter.

        Most getting $1 Million plus, acreage surrounded by bush and large allotments!

        Sort of like Peregian Beach were the fires were WORST ever since it was developed in 2002.

        Before that is was just bush!

        But Peregian Bush Fires were from teenagers lighting them NOT CAGW!

        80

      • #
        Chad

        AGW has its fingerprints all over it. ..

        ? In what way exactly ?
        ?.. or do you just believe a temperature 0.5 deg cooler would have prevented the fire ?

        70

      • #
        AndyG55

        ““AGW has its fingerprints all over it.””

        What a load of anti-science GARBAGE , PF

        It takes someone with severe ethical issues to try to make the point you are trying to make.

        MENTALLY SICK !!

        60

      • #
        beowulf

        Well it was inevitable wasn’t it? I call BS. How can you possibly make a statement about the fire history of Lake Cathie going back to 1821, when the village barely has a history at all? You’re referring to Port Macquarie’s convict settlement. Wauchope just to your west has a long history of bad fires. Learn some facts. Look at 1951 and 1953 in particular.

        The only fingerprints on this fire are those of bad, negligent forest management at the insistence of a green-infested State Planning Dept and a bureaucratic Rural Fire Service, and the lack of an appropriate fire regime in the area for years.

        And see my comment above at 20.2.2

        60

        • #
          Kalm Keith

          My apologies Beowulf, but I can’t stop repeating the this over and over to myself;

          “The only fingerprints on this fire are those of bad, negligent forest management at the insistence of a green-infested State Planning Dept and a bureaucratic Rural Fire Service, and the lack of an appropriate fire regime in the area for years.”

          Summarised as;

          Government Indifference ( better to spend that money on things that will get more votes, in the short term.

          We don’t live there, why should we bother, who else can they vote for?

          Placate the greenies, they’re a powerful voting force.

          KK

          60

        • #
          Peter Fitzroy

          Major Innes settled the northern side of the lake innes lake cathie estuary in 1281.

          This area last burn in ’94, but not around the now ruins or any of the southern side of the estuary complex.

          For these reasons a Koala rehab program was established in the area.

          The ecology of the system is complex, but has all the necessary trees to support Koalas

          Surveys were conducted, on the tagged animals and they were thriving.

          Analysis on the southern side confirmed the lack of fires.

          It has all burnt

          you debate climate change, over the last 3 days I’ve been living it.

          16

          • #
            Kalm Keith

            1281

            1281

            1281

            40

          • #
            beowulf

            No, you haven’t lived through climate change — you’ve been living in Australia and you’ve had a bushfire like hundreds of thousands before you for the past 230 years. I appreciate that you’re a bit jumpy if you nearly lost your home, but that’s Australia — get over it, move on and don’t blame CO2.

            Major Innes had his homestead on the eastern shore of Lake Innes. So What? And the area burnt in ’94, but it stopped short of the southern shores. What you’re really saying then is that last time you got lucky; this time you didn’t. Nothing more can be drawn from that occurrence. Also that’s 25 years since it saw a match. My point exactly.

            “Analysis on the southern side confirmed the lack of fires”. What a load of garbage. Over what time interval? What was the land management like during that period with respect to land management in recent times?

            To the west you have the Broken Bago forest, the Bulls Ground and Herons Creek, areas that have all gone up in flames in the past. What magical barrier is stopping fires from those areas burning east to Lake Cathie? Fires won’t come from the dense forests to the west with a westerly behind them? Says who? How can anyone say there won’t be fires south of the lakes?

            Your statement is patently ridiculous.

            50

            • #

              25 years ago we had a few days here where a spark would have finished us. People weren’t game to mow for fear of that spark. It was a spring wind pattern coming mid-summer, worst conditions of all. We’ve had poor growth this year, so less to burn, but if the winds swing westerly we’ll be in all sorts of trouble now.

              Forestry no longer have the will and resources to back burn. Can’t blame them for wider politics. But how anyone expects to live in this wide brown land without some very sharp ups and downs is beyond me. Spring fires coming in spring are no surprise at all, but I find it hard to believe that a successful koala sanctuary has not be maintained with some cool burns.

              My place is actually declared koala habitat. The aborigine named this area “many burnings” and till dogs and other ferals the koalas were abundant, bellowing through the night. Even when pelts were going off to Europe by the millions annually in the 1920s there were koalas munching on tallowoods.

              Hot burns. Not good. No common sense, no surprise.

              100

            • #
              Peter Fitzroy

              you are conflating 2 different ecosystems. Stop doing it.

              you dig a hole, look for charcoal

              The ruins have never burnt until now. (and there is a history stating in 1821, until abandonment) by which stage agriculture and fishing had established around the lake and the history was continued

              The coast from newcastle to ballina is a depositional feature, punctuated by low level volcanism, from around 100 million years ago when NZ left us. The coast between North Brother and Port is only about 2 million years old and is sand with coffee rock (failed brown coal), whereas inland from the highway it is mostly river floodplain mixed with aforesaid volcanic and sedimentary rocky hills – also confirmed by digging.

              However, I’m amazed at your level of skill in misunderstanding a topic you obviously know nothing about.

              26

              • #
                beowulf

                Fudge all you like. Nice cut and paste on the coastal geology by the way, and a complete irrelevance. Fire doesn’t respect ecosystems. Your paleo-climate is an irrelevance. One spark with a westerly wind will render all your digging and theorising worthless. You didn’t comprehend anything I said above did you?

                40

          • #
            Kalm Keith

            It’s looking more and more like this is being written from Kogarah.

            40

          • #
            AndyG55

            YOU ARE A LIAR, PF

            There has been NO WARMING in Australia for the last 20 years

            We just happen to be in a drought period. NORMAL AUSTRALIAN CLIMATE

            ZERO EVIDENCE this was caused by human released CO2.

            You really are reaching into the very depths of your dishonest, unethical, anti-science, SLIMY non-functional mind., aren’t you.

            70

          • #
            sophocles

            Maybe, Peter, you’ve been living the weather results of this … the planet’s changing magnetic field. The upper atmosphere has electrical currents too. Electrical storms frequency, intensity and paths, are possibly affected.

            There’s more going on than you can imagine …

            Now, explain how this is affected by AGW …

            30

        • #

          Two ways to kill your koalas: dogs and hot burns after no burns. Up here in the Maria Forest area we’ve got good depth for koala populations and plenty of the right species, but the dogs have taken most over the years. Never hear them at night or even sight them on the change of light now. And I’ve been on foot out there and watching for a lot of the time.

          You need depth, species, firestick…and guns. Turning every new natural disaster into a political lobby for more white elephants won’t help any grey marsupials.

          100

      • #
        el gordo

        ‘AGW has its fingerprints all over it.’

        Correlation doesn’t prove causation, was arson the initial cause?

        40

        • #
          Peter Fitzroy

          Arson or negligence (ciggy buts as an example) is the cause for over 90% of all fires, so it’s a safe bet. On the flip side 90% of all fires are limited to an hectare or less. The fact that this one got away, when historically they don’t, is down to AGW

          17

          • #
            Kalm Keith

            Twisted.
            Distorted.
            Bizarre.
            Unreal.
            Politically correct.
            Mesmerized.
            Uneducated.

            And lastly, the summary.

            Tragic.

            30

          • #
            AndyG55

            YOU ARE A LIAR, PF

            There is NO EVIDENCE that is the case

            It really is the utmost of DESPICABLE and UNETHICAL behaviour to try to link people’s misfortune your fantasies.

            You are a truly DISGUSTING piece of work.

            71

          • #
            Sceptical Sam

            Give me the details please Peter.

            is it a National Park? State forest? Nature reserve? Privately owned land?

            Who is the land management authority?

            40

          • #
            el gordo

            ‘The fact that this one got away, when historically they don’t, is down to AGW.’

            No comrade, its just a coincidence and has no relationship with a benign trace gas.

            40

      • #

        1895, start of Fed Drought, was likely the worst fire year for NSW, 1939 excepted (perhaps). Spring and westerlies, of course. Lots to burn from plenty of early rain, then hardly a drop in many places over late autumn and winter. No instant global coverage…but reportage doesn’t actually produce the events it’s supposed to describe.

        Don’t know what fingerprints were all over 1895 and 1939. Wouldn’t occur to me really.

        90

      • #
        Kalm Keith

        All the other kindergarten kids say, “worstest”.

        Get with the programme.

        40

      • #
        AndyG55

        Yes AZ it is enough. !!

        Why do we have to continue to put up with this slimy, low-life, despicable lies and behaviour from PF all the time ?

        Time you guys put a stop to it.

        40

    • #
      glen Michel

      Not to worry Peter. I’m more likely to hit a deer than a ‘roo where I live. Still
      L, the stygian hours are a risk. Seen many Koalas- they are tempted to eat the bird seed that I leave for the King parrots and Rosellas.

      41

    • #
      Kalm Keith

      Oh! the humanity.

      10

  • #
    pat

    first six minutes. BBC correspondent, then BBC returns to Chileans they’ve been in touch with previously.
    first is 19-yr-old who sounds like he’s reading a script, paraphrasing: COP cancellation a shame. for the entire world, climate change is an urgent matter. it’s necessary, more than ever, that world leaders address this big issue. in the end, I hope it can be rescheduled as soon as possible, because it is an urgent matter for us all. it’s sad this protest happened right before the beginning of such an important summit…

    AUDIO: 53min: 30 Oct: BBC OS: Chile cancels UN climate summit as protests continue
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w172wrvvnkvxr5y

    4 Jun: France24: AFP: Chile to close eight coal-fired power stations
    Chile announced Tuesday it would close eight coal-fired power stations over the next five years as part of a plan to switch entirely to renewable energy by 2040…
    The closures, announced by Chile’s conservative President Sebastian Pinera, account for 20 percent of the country’s energy capacity, or 23,000 megawatts…
    Chile, a net importer of energy, has relied increasingly on coal-powered electricity generation over the last decade, driven largely by the end of imports of natural gas from Argentina.

    Imports were resumed last year under a new agreement with Buenos Aires, leading Chile to lessen its reliance on coal.
    About 40 percent of Chile’s electricity generation comes from 28 coal-fired power stations. The goal is to replace them all by 2040 and become fully carbon-neutral by 2050.

    Pinera has pushed Chile’s clean energy transformation drive first begun under his leftist predecessor Michelle Bachelet, favoring renewable sources of energy like wind, solar and geothermal stations…

    Once they are shut down, the (coal) plants will remain mothballed in a state of “operational reserve,” ready to be called into service in an emergency at any time over the following five-year period, Pinera said…
    https://www.france24.com/en/20190604-chile-close-eight-coal-fired-power-stations

    it was all so promising:

    6 Jun: RenewEconomy: Coal-dependent Chile vows to eradicate fuel by 2040
    by Natalie Sauer
    Santiago de Chile now boasts 200 electric buses, the second largest fleet in the developing world after China…
    Because of the UN climate talks, also known as Conference of the Parties (COP), Chile has gone “from a strikingly unambitious climate pledge” to “championing solar, having the largest fleet of electric buses and now saying ‘we’re going to have a decarbonization plan by 2050’.
    “This is what the Paris Agreement wants countries to do,” Monica Araya, a former Costa Rican climate negotiator and advisor on Latin American climate policy, told Climate Home News.
    Niklas Höhne, a climatologist with the New Climate Institute, hailed the plan as a “prime example of the fast and urgent action that is necessary right now”.
    “To our knowledge, there is no other country in the world with such a high share of coal that has set a faster decarbonisation plan for the next five years,” he said.
    The closure of the entire fleet by 2040 is just two years slower than a target set by a government commission in considerably more wealthy Germany…

    But Félix González, president of the green party, slammed the plan to shut down coal plants by 2040 as “undignified”. “Two decades more of pollution with heavy metals. We need to continue to mobilize because we need to close them now!” he said…
    https://reneweconomy.com.au/coal-dependent-chile-vows-to-eradicate-fuel-by-2040/

    it’s never enough for Reuters:

    10 Jun: Thomson Reuters Foundation: U.N. talks host Chile ramps up climate ambition – but is it enough?
    by Matt Maynard
    But green-leaning politicians and activists in the South American nation called on the government to bring forward its deadlines for closing coal-fired power plants…
    By 2050, all economic sectors – including agriculture, waste and industrial processes – should become carbon-neutral, the (Govt’s) plan said…

    Research consortium Climate Action Tracker (CAT) told the Thomson Reuters Foundation that if Chile’s decarbonization plan became an official commitment under the Paris Agreement, it would be compatible with the most ambitious goal to curb warming at 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7F) above pre-industrial times…

    In late May, opposition leader Catalina Perez (Democratic Revolution Party) proposed a “climate emergency” declaration to the organizing committee for the “COP25” U.N. climate change conference.
    “It went badly,” she said afterwards, with fellow members unable to reach consensus…

    On Wednesday’s World Environment Day, Perez’s Democratic Revolution Party joined 52 civil society groups in a letter urging Pinera to deepen commitments to tackling climate change.
    Signatories included Extinction Rebellion Chile, Greenpeace Chile and the international youth movement of children skipping school to protest about climate inaction, “Fridays for Future”…

    Others fear plant closures could result in job losses and rising energy prices, but Energy Minister Susana Jimenez said seven months of talks with the affected industries had preceded the announcement.
    “We have analyzed the security and efficiency of the electricity system and of course the social and labor effects that the closure will cause,” she told journalists…

    The last new coal plant in Chile, built by French company ENGIE, was commissioned in 2014, and began production just six days before Pinera’s announcement.
    Gonzalez said the plants now slated for closure were already “past or very close to the end of their useful life”, meaning the industry was not being inconvenienced…

    “We know it is not financially viable for these companies to build new plants,” he added.
    Electricity production in Chile without coal would be “entirely possible 10 years earlier, in 2030, as demonstrated by numerous publications from civil society and academia”, Perez argued…
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-chile-politics-analysi/un-talks-host-chile-ramps-up-climate-ambition-but-is-it-enough-idUSKCN1TA0KY

    22 Oct: BBC: Do today’s global protests have anything in common?
    Chile
    A hike in transport prices has also sparked protests in Chile. The government blamed higher energy costs and a weaker currency for its decision to increase bus and metro fares, but protesters said it was just the latest measure to squeeze the poor…ETC

    Climate change
    Of course, many of the protests that you hear about will have been linked to the environment and climate change. Activists from the Extinction Rebellion movement have been protesting in cities around the world, as they demand urgent action from governments…
    “We have no choice but to rebel until our government declares a climate and ecological emergency and takes the action that is required to save us,” said Australian activist Jane Morton…
    Young people around the world have also been joining weekly school strikes, inspired by 16-year-old Swedish activist Greta Thunberg…
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-50123743

    21

    • #
      pat

      BBC quotes Australian XR poseur, Jane Morton. too funny not to follow up. Jane sure knows how to get into the MSM:

      ignore long audio. watch the video. love when Jane says she’s quoting expert Schellnhuber…that’s Schellnhuber she repeats:

      VIDEO: 2min35sec: 7 Oct: 3AW: The debate: Extinction Rebellion in the studio with Neil Mitchell
      Jane Morton from Extinction Rebellion came into the studio to debate Neil Mitchell.
      She said the group was “sounding the alarm” because politicians don’t understand what’s at stake.
      Neil said he didn’t dispute the right to protest nor the science, but was critical of the protesters’ inability to articulate any specifics about the action they want.
      That’s when things became heated…
      https://www.3aw.com.au/the-debate-extinction-rebellion-in-the-studio-with-neil-mitchell/

      Jane talks about her 12 years of climate activism – mentions those eminent climate scientists – Will Steffen & Hans Schellnhuber – plus tons of other rubbish; Brad the concrete driver more coherent, if deluded:

      AUDIO: 9min37sec: 3 Oct: ABC Drive: Patricia Karvelas: Extinction rebels defend their actions in face of criticism from Peter Dutton
      Guests:
      Jane Morton, climate activist and psychologist
      Brad Homewood, climate activist and concrete driver
      https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/drive/extinction-rebels-defend-actions-on-criticism-from-peter-dutton/11572552

      7 Oct: Age: Climate activists set up camp in Carlton Gardens ahead of planned disruptions
      By Rachael Houlihan and Carolyn Webb
      Jane Morton, a semi-retired clinical psychologist and rebellion volunteer, said she would be “prepared to die” if it meant action would be taken on climate change.
      She said protesting was “like a war” and “unprecedented action against climate change” was needed.
      “We are risking passing the point of no return for a hot house earth, which is an uninhabitable earth,” she said.
      Ms Morton said the protests were about “sounding the alarm” for the “future of the whole human race”…
      Ms Morton apologised for the disruption, but said “somehow we have to get the ear of government”…
      On Thursday – the day tram drivers strike from 10am to 2pm – there will be three protests in the city at RMIT in Swanston Street, Alexandra Gardens and at Batman Park…

      7 Oct: BBC: Extinction Rebellion: Arrests at Sydney and Amsterdam protests
      “We have tried petitions, lobbying and marches, and now time is running out,” Australian activist Jane Morton told the AFP news agency.
      “We have no choice but to rebel until our government declares a climate and ecological emergency and takes the action that is required to save us.”

      9 Oct: ABC: Extinction Rebellion protesters go silent on future plans to disrupt Melbourne, police say
      But Extinction Rebellion (XR) spokeswoman Jane Morton said the police were “fearmongering”.
      “XR has remained in constant contact through our assigned police liaison officer in the interest of public safety,” Ms Morton said in a statement to the ABC.
      “The spread of misinformation will not stop the spring rebellion.”…

      Twitter: Jane Morton @SafeClimate
      https://twitter.com/safeclimate?lang=en

      31

      • #
        Maptram

        The climate change believers demand action to stop climate change, including the use of renewable energy sources such as wind and solar electricity generation. If the wind blows stronger than average they blame climate change.

        However, I recall a proposed wind turbine project in Tasmania where the project manager said the turbines need wind blowing at 18 kph to produce electricity and wind at the site averages 33 kph. At the nearest BOM site, the wind averaged about 18 kph, so the wind farm needs higher wind speeds produced by climate change to produce electricity.

        Heading towards a circular argument, higher wind speeds are needed to produce the renewable energy that will stop climate change. Stopping climate change will reduce wind speeds so that the wind turbines will produce less electricity.

        A similar argument could be put for hydro electricity. If rainfall is higher than average, climate change gets blamed. Higher temperatures mean greater evaporation and higher rainfall. Higher rainfall means more water in the dams to produce hydro electricity. Stopping climate change means less rain so less water in the dams to produce electricity.

        40

  • #
    Ruairi

    Carbon taxes are causing unrest,
    Which in Chile is now manifest,
    Where mass protests deprive,
    Climate C.O.P. 25,
    Of this year’s junket holiday fest.

    220

    • #
      Greg in NZ

      Because one tick ain’t enough (I was #3 green thumb) here’s another 25 for you, Ruairi:

      ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓
      ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓
      ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓
      ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓
      ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓

      Your best one yet (OK, they’re all good but this one was especially good). Kapai!

      110

  • #
    Zane

    Talking about the climate can’t change it :) .

    60

    • #
      TdeF

      We could not change the climate if we wanted to, without building waterways, dams, planting forests and doing all the things Greens hate. Naturally, most of Australia is an uninhabitable desert. Good only if you are a camel, kangaroo or lizard. But it could be so much more if we greened it, but the Greens are against greening, especially by CO2 and water.

      80

  • #
    TdeF

    I worked once with a Czech national who was in WW2 on Hitler’s side. Machine gun manufacturer and he was missing the fingers to prove it. The Czechs made great munitions and were more aligned with the British. Still weak Chamberlain handed it over on demand and went fishing.

    My story is that after the war in the 1950s he and his friend considered two countries, Argentina and Australia. They looked identical. Southern Hemisphere. Some German components. Good climates. Cattle. Mining. Agriculture. Little manufacturing. Democratic governments. Good lifestyle. Cosmopolitan main cities. So one migrated to Australia, one to Argentina. They compared their lives by letters and photographs.

    By the end of the 1970s they stopped comparing. Tragically Argentina had collapsed economically. There were a couple of revolutions every year. Australia became rich, housing, roads, democracy, airconditioning, cars, manufacturing. There was no comparison and the difference was rapacious big governments against British tradition.

    Now big government, Marxists, anarchists, taxation, government involvement in every aspect of life are starting to turn Australia into Argentina. We no longer make cars. We make metals uneconomically thanks to Climate Change taxes. Governments lecture on adding race and even gender into everything, even parliament. Universities and the press and Canberra are openly socialist and the growth of a know everything elite is stifling even free speech.

    I can only hope that sense prevails and that as young people realise they have been lied to about so called Climate change, renewables, racism, free speech, vegan lifestyles and manufacturing and farming, they start to think for themselves. Otherwise it is depressing seeing motivated young people trampling without concern on the rights of others and attacking the police as if the police are the problem. It’s even more devastating to see their teachers pushing this from primary school to universities.

    We do not want to become Argentina or Chile or Bolivia and Uruguay or Paraguay or Venezuela. It could happen.

    The only good aspect of all this is that Labor has to find the middle of the road in the US, UK and Australia if they ever want to get power again. They are no longer the party of the masses, no longer the party of the Union bosses, the faceless men and not the people. Without Green preferences, they would lose most seats.

    80

  • #
    Fran

    Thanks for the coverage Jo. I’m Chilean, have lived in Santiago all my life and as you say here, this is not much about left or right, but about dignity. The movement has about 85% popular support because most of us, even in the upper middle class, know that we are being abused all the time by the rich and powerful. People – specially the middle class folk, we’re not a poor country anymore – are tired of living burdened by debt, insecurity and indignities while the elites get by without consequences and without fears, even after high-profile scandals like market rigging, oligopolies, corruption, and even common crimes (like the famous case of a senator’s son that ran over a poor guy on a highway while driving drunk and got away without jail or anything). People just want to feel like they’re being heard by the authorities (Piñera and most of his cabinet is rich and live disconnected from real issues); like their daily struggles make up for something; that getting an education will amount to a better future; that the elderly are being taken care of, etc. What is the way to achieve all those things, I don’t know, but we all knew this was a pressure cooker that was due to explode for a while now, and it only took the metro ticket raise and a couple of stupid declarations from ministers to do so.
    The rioting has been intense and scary, and very sad in the case of the destroyed metro stations. Seeing the military on the streets was also terrible; we are not used to it and for older people it brought back terrible memories (Pinochet’s regime, as these days have shown, is still looming over everything, it seems). There have also been acusations of human rights violations from the police and the military, another thing we thought wouldn’t happen again (happily, unlike the 80s, we now have effective institutions to persecute those things, but still).
    It was evident from day one of the protests – Oct 18 – that both APEC and COP25 had to be cancelled; the crisis is too deep and the political elites too disconnected for it to be solved quickly; holding them would’ve been risky for the visitors. Also it would’ve been a further slap in the face to spend public money on a conference talking about scary speculative scenarios of the future whilst most people here can’t make it to the end of the month without using credit cards, even to buy groceries. I would say Chileans are environmentally-minded in general, but the present crisis is REAL and urgent. It’s sad for our international reputation and also for people that were counting on those events (hotels, production companies, etc.) but it had to be done. The best news for me is that Greta will not come lol

    210

    • #
      Kalm Keith

      Sorry to hear all of that.

      The only hope is that Australia may take note of what Chile is going through and change direction to avoid similar.

      KK

      50

      • #
        Fran

        Thanks, I do hope this is for the better, as many reforms that the movement is asking for were long overdue and this whole thing has made politicians wake up. I suspect, also, that this could happen anywhere (as it has done in France, Lebanon, HK, etc) because it seems we share similar struggles all over the world!

        90

  • #
    Travis T. Jones

    “In 2015 Chile was the first country in South America to enforce a carbon tax of $5 a ton.”

    How’s that $5 working out for you?

    “Finland introduced the world’s first carbon tax in 1990″

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/factbox-carbon-tax-around-the-world

    Current weather/climate, Finland: https://www.accuweather.com/en/fi/helsinki/133328/weather-forecast/133328

    Tomorrow: Chilly, with periods of sun

    Looking ahead: Mixed rain and snow Saturday.

    40

  • #
    TdeF

    “the combined wealth of its billionaires is equal to 25% of its GDP.”

    Consider Australia. Our GDP is $A1,700Billion. 25% would be $A425Billion.

    Our richest people are Gina Rinehart at $14.8Billion, Harry Triguboff at $9.0Billion, Anthony Pratt at $6.8, Frank Lowy $6.5

    In fact I just added all the Australian billionaires, all 40 of them and it comes to $108.27Billion or 6.3%.

    So if the socialist took all their money and gave it out, we would do better far as a country by selling more coal or iron ore. The super rich do not own Australia. We do.

    In America, 607 Billionaires. (possibly much more at our 0.6Billion)
    In the UK, 151 Billionaries.
    In Australia, 40 Billionaires and in US dollars, maybe 30.

    30

    • #
      TdeF

      So why Labor pushes the old idea of class struggle is beyond logic and facts. As was obvious in the last election.

      Now can we stop giving all the stolen electricity cash to the new Wind millionaires without our knowledge or permission?

      50

    • #
      theRealUniverse

      Of course that is their share holding assets. Actual real money in the bank probably few mill? I remember I read that Larry Ellison (Oracle) was told by his accountant to stop spending 50 grand a day! or else..

      40

      • #
        TdeF

        Larry loves sailing on his own very expensive yachts. Nothing is closer to a money mincer than sailing. Like standing in a cold shower ripping up $100 bills. (the maximum US denomination)

        50

  • #
    Bite Back

    Comical. Stupidity bites back. I love it. They will not fix it, just give it the tweak it needs to work and then fail again.

    All in a day’s laughing at the dumbness all around. And no, it’s not a laughing matter but laughing is all they leave me to do. So I do it.

    I should call them out more often but it only leads to frustration.

    BB

    40

  • #
    MarkMcD

    Anyone know how St Greta plans to go home? I mean given her avowed refusal to use planes and the distinct lack of $multi-million carbon-intensive yachts…?

    Is she going to walk on water or be as much a hypocrite as the rest of the carbon-using protesters?

    60

    • #
      Serp

      Like the guy ‘neath the streets of Boston perhaps she’ll never return and her fate be still unlearned; one can hope.

      40

    • #
      Greg in NZ

      The Trans-Siberian Railway is a pleasant wee jaunt I’ve been told – Vladivostok to Moscow and the problem child is almost home!

      With all the frigid Arctic air and snow blizzards hammering North America at present, Saint Grøtesque could easily cross-country ski her way up through Canada to Alaska and, by the time she got there, the Bering Strait would be iced over: a quick schuss across the solid sea ice – beware of self-harming walrus and hungry polar bears – then a jolly ski down to Vladivostok (Russia’s Jewel of the Pacific) hop on a west-bound train and voilà! she’ll be back in schøøl in Sweden in no time!

      Oh right, she doesn’t like schøøl. Guess she’s never read Solzhenitsyn then, nor Orwell, nor Huxley, nor Bradbury, nor…

      50

  • #
    pat

    31 Oct: BrisbaneTimes: ‘Rip the bloody thing up’: NSW threatens to withdraw from Murray-Darling plan amid drought
    by Lisa Visentin and Alexandra Smith
    NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro says he would be prepared to “rip up” the Murray-Darling Basin Plan and has asked for legal advice on whether the state government can “walk away” from it.
    In his strongest comments yet, Mr Barilaro said the state should be “pausing all water sharing plans” while the drought continued, saying “we need to put people before the environment”…READ ON
    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/nsw/rip-the-bloody-thing-up-nsw-threatens-to-withdraw-from-murray-darling-plan-amid-drought-20191031-p5364h.html

    31 Oct: 9News: AAP: Stop water sharing plan: NSW Dep Premier
    (Water Minister Melinda) Pavey, meanwhile, criticised the release of 22 billion litres from Wyangala Dam in the state’s southwest, saying she was shocked by the extent of it.
    The Commonwealth Environment Water Holder ordered the release of the water down the Lachlan River in September.
    “I don’t think it was a fit decision for them to make,” Ms Pavey told another budget estimates hearing on Thursday.
    “I think the communities in the central west and the communities across NSW do have genuine concerns that 22 gigalitres – 12 months worth of water for the communities of Forbes, Cowra, Condobolin, Parkes and Lake Cargelligo – have gone down the river to the swamp.”

    The Commonwealth Environmental Water Office says the water has provided critical flows through the Lachlan to improve the health of the river system and make it more resilient to drought…

    Asked if the premier actually had the power to rip up the MDBP, Mr Barilaro said he had asked the water minister to get legal advice.
    The Nature Conservation Council in response to his comments said he seemed “more interested in raising his profile than addressing the water crisis”.
    “We need the Murray Darling Basin Plan implemented in full and on time now more than ever,” chief executive Chris Gambian said in a statement.
    On the Wyangala Dam release, federal Environment Minister Sussan Ley said the state government was part of planning the flows.

    “The state government is responsible for setting aside drought reserves and the state government has the power to override any other user in the system in favour of keeping water as a drought reserve,” she told 2GB on Thursday.
    “This is not the time to be politicking, we need to be working together, and I am very happy to sit down with everybody … and talk about how we may change the triggers for releases in the future.”
    https://www.9news.com.au/national/dam-water-release-was-reckless-nsw-govt/b8c69256-ab97-49ab-813a-3018aba01cae

    50

    • #
      TdeF

      All those desalination plants should be printing money. But they sit silent. Waiting for a drought.

      40

      • #
        TdeF

        Probably cannot afford the electricity.

        40

        • #
          TdeF

          Besides, that water’s for the inner city Green voters, not evil farmers with their evil livestock. The Greens did not spend all of our money to help farmers. Especially the $800million North South pipeline. Or Snowy II. It’s all about Green voters and Canberra and ensuring the supply of smashed avocado.

          50

    • #
      pat

      behind paywall:

      23 Oct: CountryNews: MDBA challenged at meetings
      By Sophie Baldwin
      The Murray-Darling Basin Authority has been criticised for its poor advertising of meetings and accuracy of data.
      The Murray-Darling Basin Authority continues to face criticism surrounding poor advertising of its meetings and accuracy of the data it presents.
      The authority held two meetings at the start of October in Shepparton and Moama that even Federal Member for Nicholls Damian Drum (National Party) was unaware of…
      https://www.countrynews.com.au/news/2019/10/23/867964/mdba-challenged-at-meetings

      behind paywall:

      Paradise Dam: Pictures show shocking lowering of water …
      Courier Mail – 3 hours ago
      NEW pictures of the Paradise Dam near Bundaberg show just how much precious water is draining into the ocean during one of the worst droughts…
      An amazing series of pictures reveals just how quickly a Queensland dam is emptying since the Palaszczuk Government decided to drain 400 megalitres of water every day during one of the worst droughts in decades.

      Push for Paradise Dam solution as thousands of megalitres wasted
      Courier Mail – 20 hours ago
      Push for Paradise Dam solution as thousands of megalitres wasted … the ocean until the Queensland Government releases a crucial dam safety report. … were furious that 400Ml of fresh water are flowing into the sea every day…

      30 Oct: Guardian: Coalition anger as dam water flows out to sea in drought-hit Queensland
      Decision taken to reduce Paradise dam to 42% capacity amid concerns over its structural integrity in the event of a flood
      by Sarah Martin, Chief political correspondent
      Four hundred million litres of fresh water is flowing out to sea from storage in drought-afflicted Queensland every day, sparking a fresh rift between Coalition MPs and the state’s Labor government…
      The controversial decision was taken to reduce the dam to 42% capacity because of concerns over its structural integrity in the event of a flood.

      But after reaching “full supply capacity” of the water storage system on Monday, the operator of the government-owned dam, Sunwater, has begun releasing 400 megalitres of freshwater out to sea each day from a barrage near Bundaberg.
      The dramatic reduction in water levels has raised concerns not only for the impact on water security in the drought-affected region, but also on wildlife, including platypus, turtles and mulloway.
      In response, the Nationals MPs Keith Pitt and Ken O’Dowd have written to the state natural resources minister, Anthony Lynham, to call for a “fully transparent and public” explanation for the work, and a call to delay any permanent changes to the dam’s capacity…

      A spokesman for Sunwater said water was being released “to allow for essential works to improve the dam’s stability during extreme rain events”.
      “The decision to release water during a time of drought was not taken lightly and was made to allow for better community safety,” the spokesman said…

      While there has been promotion for the “free water” on offer before the water reaches the final barrage, not all farmers are able to tap into the irrigation network, or need the water immediately.
      “Sunwater is working with the community to investigate all options to maximise the water being released from Paradise Dam,” the spokesman said.
      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/30/coalition-anger-as-dam-water-flows-out-to-sea-in-drought-hit-queensland

      27 Sept: ABC: Paradise Dam is shedding water, so what’s wrong and is it all necessary?
      By Louisa Rebgetz
      What’s wrong with the dam?
      That’s still unclear, but some clues have emerged.
      That said, neither the State Government nor operator SunWater has publicly released a report into problems at Paradise Dam.
      It did suffer damage from inundation during the 2011 and 2013 floods, but apparently, that is not the problem now.
      Bundaberg Mayor Jack Dempsey said SunWater had confirmed the problem is related to its original construction — not the flood events…
      No-one has publicly said the dam is at imminent risk of failure but the Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has said lowering the dam wall was “fundamentally a safety issue and it is a paramount safety issue”…

      40

      • #
        pat

        15 Jan 2018: Dept of the Environment & Energy: Appointment of Commonwealth Environmental Water Holder, CEWH
        David Papps retired from the Australian Public Service and five years in the role of Commonwealth Environmental Water Holder on 12 January 2018.
        Following an open recruitment process, Jody Swirepik will become the new Commonwealth Environmental Water Holder. Jody is currently the Executive General Manager of Regulatory Obligation and Coordination Division with the Clean Energy Regulator, and was previously the Executive Director of Environmental Management with the Murray-Darling Basin Authority…
        https://www.environment.gov.au/news/2018/01/15/appointment-commonwealth-environmental-water-holder-cewh

        LinkedIn: Jody Swirepik, Commonwealth Environmental Water Holder at Department of the Environment and Energy, Canberra
        Feb 2018 – Present
        The CEWH manages the Commonwealth Environmental Water holdings to achieve the best environmental outcomes in the Murray Darling Basin. The division is also Australia’s administering authority for the Ramsar Convention

        Executive General Manager, Regulatory Obligation and Coordination Division
        Clean Energy Regulator – Feb 2015 – Feb 2018 Canberra
        This role oversees the reporting of Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions under the National Greenhouse and Energy Reporting scheme, oversight of the Emissions Reduction Fund (particularly auction and contracting of a $2.5 b AUD fund for carbon abatement), the demand side of the Renewable Energy Target and other regulatory support capabilities including audit, analytics, investigations and enforcement for the CER across all of Australia’s national greenhouse legislation.

        Acting Chair and Chief Executive
        Clean Energy Regulator Apr 2017 – Jun 2017
        Undertook the role of Agency Head being appointed by the minister to undertake the full responsibilities of being the Chair and the Chief Executive for 3 months while awaiting the incoming permanent chair being appointed by government

        Murray-Darling Basin Authority
        14 years
        Played a leading role in the final development of the Murray Daring Bain Plan…READ ON
        https://au.linkedin.com/in/jody-swirepik-9602449a

        30

        • #
          pat

          28 Mar: Stock & Land: The CEWH says it has no surplus water
          by Andrew Miller
          The Commonwealth Environmental Water Holder has rejected calls it should provide some of its allocation to northern Victorian dairy farmers, saying doing so would require substantial legislative change.
          And CEWH Jody Swirepik said the office was not holding any water, surplus to environmental needs.

          Federal Nationals Murray MP Damian Drum called for 50 Gigalitres of water, held by the CEWH, to be urgently released to northern Victorian farmers, with a dairy licence.
          Ms Swirepik’s comments come as ABARES released its latest figures, showing the current volume of water held in Murray Darling Basin storages was 8,748Gigalitres, which represented 35 per cent of total capacity.
          This is 36 percentage points or 4,905GL less than at the same time last year
          Ms Swirepik said releasing environmental water to the dairy industry would require changes to both the Water Act and the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability Act.

          ***”Issues also arise with regard to consistency with the Australian Government’s competition policy,” Ms Swirepik said…
          “Public accountability obligations do not support officials favouring one sector over another,” she said…

          The CEWH must make decisions, in accordance with its obligations under the Water Act.
          That required the CEWH to use water, first and foremost, to benefit the environment…
          “Our planning considers both the needs of the environment this year as well as those in next year, particularly if conditions remain dry.
          “In assessing environmental needs, we have to consider the health of the whole river system.
          “We can only consider making water available if the systems needs are met.”…

          Her comments were backed by the Murray Darling Basin Authority, which has released what it said was a comprehensive report into water losses, in the Murray system…READ ON
          https://www.stockandland.com.au/story/5979458/cewh-rules-out-dairy-water/

          30

  • #
    WXcycles

    Watch the video.

    Andrew Bolt is interviewing ‘Climate activist’ Jacob Andrewartha, who is genuinely one of the stupidest ‘people’ on the planet today, protesting at the International Mining and Resources Conference at the Melbourne Convention and Exhibition Centre. Bolt shows what he can do in this interview, as he’s managed to get a reasonably viable and functional conversation out of Jake which allowed Jacob to expound the merits and features of their approach to “violent non-violence” and other advanced double-think concepts and techniques. As well as to update the planet on the latest old-school commie revolutionary economic and political concepts for collective hateful togetherness in the 2020s. The best and brightest the Australian taxpayer-supported University system can produce.

    ‘We protest because protests are inherently disruptive’
    29/10/2019 | 13min
    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6098678328001

    40

  • #
    pat

    Ed Gannon was just interviewed on Bolt Report/Sky News:

    Fire alert Victoria: Fine fuel loads reach frightening levels in …
    Weekly Times – October 30, 2019
    Secrecy surrounding fine fuel loads and fire risk must end. ED GANNON, The Weekly Times.
    The high-risk fine fuel loads have accumulated in the rapidly drying eucalypt…

    Secrecy surrounding fine fuel loads and fire risk must end
    The Weekly Times – 29 Oct 2019
    Fine fuel loads in the East Central fire zone, stretching from Kilmore to Morwell, have hit extreme levels, a frightening development as we enter …

    Residents in dangerous bushfire zones have the right to know
    The Weekly Times – 29 Oct 2019
    The first is that the fine fuel load has been able to build to an extreme level, … Which brings us to the second disturbing element of this story – secrecy. … Every resident of the bushfire East Central fire zone should be extremely …

    AUDIO 9min04sec: 31 Oct: 3AW: Neil Mitchell: ‘Extreme’ fire risk in the area affected by Black Saturday kept secret
    The Victorian Government has reportedly withheld information about the fire risk in the area affected by the Black Saturday fires.
    The Weekly Times sought information on the fine fuel load — the amount of twigs, sticks, leaves, and bark on the ground which helps fire to spread quickly — from the government last year, but was denied access to the information.
    “First of all they told us that the figures are only what they would use internally, then they told us a couple of months ago that it’s not something they would feel comfortable to release publicly,” Ed Gannon, editor of The Weekly Times, told 3AW’s Neil Mitchell.
    “We thought it was a bit odd when you’re talking about the risk of people’s lives.”

    The rural publisher had to put in a freedom of information request, and it took a year to find out how bad the fine fuel load risk is.
    “We had to pay for the map. We haven’t been able to get the maps for the rest of the state,” Mr Gannon said.
    The request revealed that in a high-risk band from Kilmore to Morwell, encompassing Kinglake, Marysville and Healesville, the fine fuel load is “extreme”, which means there is 34 tonnes of fine fuel per hectare.

    Mr Gannon has a suspicion about why the information was so hard to get.
    “I think the bushfire royal commission recommended they do fuel load burns of a certain amount, so five per cent of public land each year,” he said.
    “They stopped doing that in 2015 and I think if people see what the actual fuel load risk is it may be an admission hat they’ve chosen the wrong path to go with for fire management.”

    John, a CFA brigade captain in the at risk area, said current conditions are worrying.
    “There’s parts that haven’t burnt for 30 or 40 years,” he told Neil Mitchell.
    “We need to do more.”
    Anthony McMahon, a Kinglake local who lost his home in Black Saturday, agreed the fuel load risk is extremely high.
    “You don’t want to panic people but I think you’ve got to understand that since Black Saturday there has been a lot of natural regrowth, because that’s what happens with eucalypt forest. As it gets older it starts to thin out so you’ve got a lot of natural attrition from young plants that are dying,” he said.
    “They should be doing a lot more back burning.
    “There needs to be a more proactive management system.”
    https://www.3aw.com.au/the-extreme-fire-risk-in-the-black-saturday-area-which-has-been-kept-secret/

    30

  • #
    pat

    28 Aug 2018: SMH: ‘Death certificate’: Ex-water chief slams Barnaby Joyce’s drought plan
    By Peter Hannam
    Diverting water earmarked for the environment to help drought-hit farmers would “absolutely” breach the federal Water Act, says David Papps, the former head of the Commonwealth Environment Water Office.
    Mr Papps was responding to Barnaby Joyce, the former Nationals leader and special drought envoy under the Morrison government, who said such diversions were needed to address a “national emergency” as the big dry spreads…

    “We have billions of dollars worth of water in the Commonwealth Water Holder’s accounts,” Mr Joyce told ABC’s Radio National on Tuesday. “If we diverted a section of it, we could start growing the fodder [such as lucerne] that is required to keep the stock alive.”

    Mr Joyce’s comments were rounded on by federal Labor and the Greens, and by former water officials.
    Mr Papps said the Commonwealth Water Holder had $3 billion to $4 billion worth of water “paid for by the taxpayer”.
    ***The Water Act – introduced by then environment minister Malcolm Turnbull in 2007 – was deliberately designed to ensure politicians “were not in charge of environmental water”.
    Taking away such water “would be signing the death certificate for some of Australia’s truly iconic landscapes”, Mr Papps said. These included the Macquarie Marshes, Narran Lakes and the Coorong – all of which were already struggling.

    Fairfax Media sought comment from his successor as Commonwealth Water Holder, Jody Swirepik, Mr Joyce and the new federal Environment Minister Melissa Price, who was sworn in on Tuesday…(NO QUOTES FROM ANY OF THEM)…READ ON
    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/sustainability/death-certificate-ex-water-chief-slams-barnaby-joyce-s-drought-plan-20180828-p500an.html

    21

    • #
      Kalm Keith

      If some turkey says;

      “Diverting water earmarked for the environment to help drought-hit farmers would “absolutely” breach the federal Water Act, says David Papps”, then

      We need to change the federal water act.

      KK

      50

  • #
    robert rosicka

    There’s a message here for the glorious leader of the people’s republic of Victoriastan.

    50

  • #
    Roy Hogue

    It’s refreshing to see the IPCC feeling the heat of the anger of those who are being hurt by the policies that same IPCC is pushing every day. At least there’s a small measure of justice from all the trouble in Chile.

    80

  • #
    pat

    31 Oct: Reuters: U.N. seeks new host for climate talks after Chile withdraws
    by Nina Chestney; additional reporting by Megan Rowling and Agnieszka Barteczko
    This is the first time that a nation has pulled out of hosting the meeting with just a month to go…
    A UNFCCC spokesman said the aim was to keep the conference in December but that might not be possible with just over a month to go and many venues booked…
    Germany’s environment secretary, Jochen Flasbarth, tweeted that his government was in contact with Poland, which currently holds the COP presidency…
    A spokesman at Poland’s environment ministry said: “It is too early to say now in what direction it will go.”

    According to the UNFCCC website, the COP meets in Bonn, Germany, the seat of the secretariat, unless a party offers to host…
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-accord-chile/un-seeks-new-host-for-climate-talks-after-chile-withdraws-idUSKBN1X91XX

    40

    • #
      pat

      BBC have crafted their ideal version now. it’s all about global climate protests; no mention of electricity prices, RE, etc.
      just align the Chile protests with the officially-sanctioned ‘climate protesters’ demanding govts take even more money from the public for their CAGW policy follies!

      30 Oct: BBC: Chile cancels climate and Apec summits amid mass protests
      The demonstrations were originally triggered by a now-suspended rise in the price of metro fares in Santiago.
      However protesters are now marching to express their discontent over a wide variety of problems ranging from inequality to the high cost of healthcare.
      The decision comes amid a number of global climate protests, including a week of strikes led by environmental activist Greta Thunberg last month.
      And as the news was announced, a US-based organisation also separately revealed that tens of millions more people than previously thought were at risk of coastal flooding from climate-driven sea-level rise within the next century.

      Analysis by David Shukman, Science editor
      This is a huge blow to hopes of progress on what many see as the crisis of climate change.
      Just as the science becomes more robust about rising carbon levels driving up temperatures and triggering a range of dangerous impacts, diplomats and experts have been looking to the COP25 talks in December as a vital staging-post on the way to global action.
      In particular, developing countries – the most vulnerable to the effects of rising sea levels and stronger storms – were banking on the event to raise their claims for more help from the richest nations.
      But the longer the unrest has continued on the streets of Santiago, the more the government of Chile must have worried about coping. Already there were reports of delays in getting the massive conference venue ready for the tens of thousands of delegates and campaigners.
      Now there’ll be a frantic search for another venue, and soon.

      Why was Chile hosting COP25?
      COP25 was originally supposed to be hosted by Brazil.
      But in November last year, just two months after being announced as the summit’s host nation, then President-elect Jair Bolsonaro pulled out.
      The far-right leader said this was due to the change of government and budget restrictions, according to local media. However, he had recently chosen a foreign minister who claimed “climate alarmism” was just a plot by “cultural Marxists”…
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50233678

      30

      • #
        Greg in NZ

        Just as the science becomes more robust about rising carbon levels driving up temperatures and triggering a range of dangerous impacts

        Who writes this *jabberwocky! Oh right, the BBC.

        *invented or meaningless language; nonsense. From the title of a nonsense poem in Lewis Carroll’s Through the Looking Glass (1871).

        50

  • #
  • #
    Yonason

    “…elites that look after themselves at everyone else’s expense.”

    That’s the whole problem in a nutshell.

    10

  • #
    Chad

    Mr Papps said the Commonwealth Water Holder had $3 billion to $4 billion worth of water “paid for by the taxpayer”.

    How and when did we do this, ? and who did we pay $3 bn to for access to our own rain water resources ? ?

    10

  • #
    Damon

    I wonder how Greta is going to get back to Sweden? I assume the ‘emission-free’ yacht has long since gone home, so it will be interesting to see what she does with her principles. There are not many travel options from Santiago to Stockholm.

    20

Leave a Reply

  

  

  

You can use these HTML tags

<a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>