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Climate Expert or UN certified Seer? Joelle Gergis does “gut-wrenching” grieving horror, volcanic rage

Remember when scientists were dispassionate, cautious people? Well, forget that.

h/t ClimateDepot, Travis T, Jones

Joelle Gergis unleashes a message of full gut-wrenching, stomach sinking, terrible truth and brutality. Lordy, 50 per cent of the Great Barrier Reef is dead. Sometimes she cries after her talks. She has a vision, a precognition of awful events, but only she and a few other UN certified seers can see. Climate change is the terrifying eco-disaster that sounds more and more like a Stephen King novel. How does a scientist sell climate change? — with pools of blood. It’s like a brain haemorrhage. Seriously.

Her grief is rapidly being superseded by rage. “Volcanically explosive rage”. 

What are the odds that a scientist like this would consider her results impartially — would be willing to toss out her pet ideas if 28 million radiosondes, 3,000 ocean buoys, 120 proxies, 1,000 tide gauges and 40 years of satellite data were all wrong, and all wrong in the same direction? This is the same woman who whipped up a storm of headlines about how Australia was warmer now than 800 years ago based on a 0.09C warming so small it’s less than the error bars and only “measured” with two stands of trees in  Tasmania and New Zealand.

Is she hunting for the truth or looking for fame, status and a captive audience? Once upon a time scientists used to talk in caveats and careful qualifiers. Not any more.

And the irony — after all this hyperbolic unleashed emotion, she twists the knife to call for… wait...”an urgent and pragmatic national conversation.” Where’s the pragmatism in doing science as an unrelated horror movie analogy.

Preparing for this talk I experienced something gut-wrenching. It was the realisation that there is now nowhere to hide from the terrible truth.

“We are witnessing catastrophic ecosystem collapse of the largest living organism on the planet.”

Being willing to acknowledge the arrival of the point of no return is an act of bravery.

Holy Horrors: This woman is so special — Look at me, so brave, so visionary!

She’s a messiah in the making.  Joelle Gergis is one of the chosen ones:

As one of the dozen or so Australian lead authors on the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) sixth assessment report, currently underway, I have a deep appreciation of the speed and severity of climate change unfolding across the planet. Last year I was also appointed as one of the scientific advisers to the Climate Council, Australia’s leading independent body providing expert advice to the public on climate science and policy. In short, I am in the confronting position of being one of the few Australians who sees the terrifying reality of the climate crisis.

She’s so smart almost no one else sees what she sees.

Because climate change is like a brain hemorrhage. Explain to me how this has any scientific link at all — it’s mere theatre — the two topics connected by personal “shock”. She’s shamelessly milking family grief for propaganda mileage.

Preparing for this talk I experienced something gut-wrenching. It was the realisation that there is now nowhere to hide from the terrible truth.

The last time this happened to me, [finding there was "no where to hide"] I was visiting my father in hospital following emergency surgery for a massive brain haemorrhage. As he lay unconscious in intensive care, I examined his CT scan with one of the attending surgeons who gently explained that the dark patch covering nearly a quarter of the image of his brain was a pool of blood. Although they had done their best to drain the area and stem the bleeding, the catastrophic nature of the damage was undeniable. The brutality of the evidence was clear – the full weight of it sent my stomach into freefall.

 Which part is emotionally frozen?

Increasingly after my speaking events, I catch myself unexpectedly weeping in my hotel room or on flights home. Every now and then, the reality of what the science is saying manages to thaw the emotionally frozen part of myself I need to maintain to do my job. In those moments, what surfaces is pure grief. It’s the only feeling that comes close to the pain I felt processing the severity of my dad’s brain injury. Being willing to acknowledge the arrival of the point of no return is an act of bravery.

Sure. Blood n’ guts one minute, analytical the next:

As a climate scientist at this fraught point in our history, the most helpful thing I can offer is the same professionalism that the doctor displayed late that night in Dad’s intensive-care ward. A clear-eyed and compassionate look at the facts.

Dear Joelle, any time you want to start the clear eyed commentary, go right ahead.

@joellegergis

 

Some scientists opt to be seers,
Deluded by false climate fears,
Then project and assume,
A future of doom,
In papers acclaimed by their peers.

–Ruairi

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333 comments to Climate Expert or UN certified Seer? Joelle Gergis does “gut-wrenching” grieving horror, volcanic rage

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    Mal

    IPCC, junk science by junk scientists

    Zero credibility

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      OriginalSteve

      There was this ofbeat movie about e Pentagons foray into trying to create New Age soldierscwith psychic powers. The movie was called ” Men who stare at goats”. This was for real. The unit was called The First Earth Battalion.

      I wonder if the latest breed of climate scientists have jumped the shark, or will it become more like Macbeth?

      Certainly its become a bit theatrical….

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        Lionell Griffith

        “a bit theatrical?” It is nothing but theatrics without substance or even entertainment value.

        Feelings and rage are substituted for contact with realty and adherence to the facts of the matter. The hope is, if enough people feel the same and rage the same, it somehow makes it true. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, reality continues to be what it is and does what it does because of what it is without concern about all the empty theatrics.

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        Greebo

        I have to admit that I found that movie amusing.

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      In America she would have an official “title”":
      DING DING DING bat”

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      Hasbeen

      Gee! I hope she got her stomach back in place.

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      Bill in Oz

      Meanwhile a real scientist named Ken is examining yet more South Australian BOM weather stations.
      Today it is Noriotpa and Roseworthy
      In the Barossa Valley
      BOM fails AGAIN !

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    Peter C

    She (Joelle) is totally Bizarre, but apparently she is employed and endorsed by Melbourne University.

    Which is one reason why I have withdrawn any further donations to Melbourne University, including the Medical School and my old Residential college.

    I prefer to support JoNova instead. JoNova is a true voice of reason rationality and entertaining as well!

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      Peter C

      certified Seer

      Possibly she could be certified.

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        John F. Hultquist

        Possibly she could be certified.

        If she has family or friends that could gently suggest this direction to her, please do so.

        Apparently she flies to distant cities to tell others they should not fly. Cognitive dissonance is harmful to one’s health. She needs help.

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        OriginalSteve

        Funny how humanity progresses and rapidly regresses. Its a kind of resurgence of codefied ignorance and “the sky is falling” belief system all over again….

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      NB

      Same, Peter. I hope more follow suit with strategic donation.

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      ColA

      Agreed Peter C,

      Jo you need to take this b[snip] on! you need to challenge her to put up or shut up! Call her out!

      Show everyone she is a show pony with no guts to meet someone who might challenge her fantasies.

      [ColA, that "B" word is likely to cause distracting trouble.] ED

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    TdeF

    She really needs psychiatric help. This is not science. It is raw emotion triggered after her father’s brain haemorrhage.
    Or she is a blatant opportunist using emotion to bypass the facts. Science is about facts, as is medicine.

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      Dave

      It’s understandable TdeF
      She was mentored by Tim Flannery!

      “Professor Tim Flannery, the 2007 Australian of the Year, was one of her mentors during the program aimed at training outstanding young scientists to help bridge the communication gap between science and public policy”

      Her bio is here!

      OH! Coincidence, she’s with Tim Flannery on the Climate Council Team!

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        Peter C

        In 2015 Joëlle was awarded the Dean’s Award for Excellence in Research in the Faculty of Science at the University of Melbourne. In February 2018, she was selected to serve as a lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Sixth Assessment Report – a global, state-of-the art review of climate change science.
        Her book, Sunburnt Country: The future and history of climate change in Australia, is now available through Melbourne University Publishing.

        https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/author/joelleclimatecouncil-org-au/

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          Graeme No.3

          Thank you, Peter C. Should I see it in the bookshop** I won’t bother even picking it up.

          **My local bookshop (quite a good one) had 2 Extinction Rebellion (if I’ve got the name right) books on special. I left without purchasing either.

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          Murray Shaw

          Reckon her book will be a collectors item down the track when they write the history of the demise of the Science faculty of Melbourne University.

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          StephenP

          Who does the selecting of lead authors for the IPCC?

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            David Wojick

            The IPCC Bureau.

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              StephenP

              Who seem to select people in their own image.

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              Roger Knights

              My understanding is that the IPCC bureau selects the coordinating lead authors, who have editorial control over what gets into their sections. There are usually between two and six such per section.

              The lead authors are nominated by their nation’s governments, typically by their environmental departments. The coordinating lead authors select members from this pool. AFAIK.

              Mere “authors” are persons whose writings are extensively quoted and/or who are asked to contribute some text on a particular subject.

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      Kevin Lohse

      An adult Greta?

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      Yonniestone

      When you can see things others cannot you’re either suffering psychotic delusion or just dropped some decent acid.

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      Bobl

      Oh No, medicine is not about facts, it’s about statistics and opinion , this is why doctors are still handing out statins like lollies despite the biggest study in history finding that cholesterol has no correlation with heart attack.

      This is also why if 97% of doctors say you will die from X you will look to the smarter 3% to save you!

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    PeterS

    There are still many good scientists around who haven’t fallen for the global warming crap. The problem though is virtually all of them still remain silent, which in itself is bad. The good ones ought to know better and speak up in defence of real science and not junk science. The longer the remain silent the less credible they become.

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    Poor Joelle, she’s been thro’ a lot and it it can be positively gut -wrenching when you have a paper put on hold for not measuring up. https://climateaudit.org/2012/06/08/gergis-et-al-put-on-hold/

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    Antoine D'Arche

    ahhh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    ROTFLMFAO
    what utter garbage. How could she be employed in science, anywhere?
    Definitely looking for a gig in theatre…

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    What is it with these celebs and “bravery”. Even appearing on film without make-up or moving from commercial media to an ABC sinecure now is “brave”. Going from one highly paid gig to another is “brave”. Wearing a special little ribbon which everybody else is wearing at some ceremony is “brave”. Speaking truth to power while the whole auditorium is clapping and the media are adoring you and nobody dares say boo to contradict is “brave”.

    If we ever need to defend Kokoda again I guess we should round up some crack troops from the espresso bars of Enmore and Fitzroy.

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      Graeme No.3

      Excellent idea. That way the enemy will use up their bullets without damage to our troops. Indeed our troop’s morale might rise.

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      OriginalSteve

      I doubt you woukd get any tajers unless you could get a good coffee , and that the mobile coverage was adequate……look mum….no legs…click…send…..die

      /sarc

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        OriginalSteve

        bah…..

        would…..

        takers….

        keyboard is too sensetive…..i wonder if it will start crying if i mention the reef….oh hang on…nope….my phone isnt educated in our southern capital then….

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      theRealUniverse

      ‘Defending the Earth’ or what ever it is they pretend to do..Well the planet is about 5×10^26 kg, rotating at about 1000km/hr at the equator, orbiting a star putting out 10^36W energy. So trying to ‘defend’ or ‘save’ it might just be little hard one would think.

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    theRealUniverse

    “As a climate scientist …..” This is highly questionable, this woman is NO scientist.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Gergis: “When the UN’s Paris Agreement was adopted in December 2015, it defined a specific goal: to keep global warming to well below 2°C and as close as possible to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels (defined as the climate conditions experienced during the 1850–1900 period).”

    Trove: 31 Dec 1904 – A RETROSPECT OF 1904. -

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5034721

    >> After the 7 year long Federation Drought ended, Australia had bumper crop production.

    The normal cycle in an arid temperate climate.

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    skeptikal

    Lordy, 50 per cent of the Great Barrier Reef is dead

    That should be music to the ears of mining companies… they can put her name down as a reference on their exploration requests.

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    Kinky Keith

    The Science of Earth’s Temperature.

    Over the last six thousand years or so the Earth’s oceans have fallen a total of six metres.

    Oscillating down from 6 metres above present, to 4 then 2 sand with a final drop of 1.2 metres in the last 2,000 years , the oceans have fallen.

    This is indisputable.

    The question however is of enormous significance: where is the water.

    Only a non scientist would try to avoid the truth that the poles are growing.

    And the poles are growing as a result of cooling.

    KK

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      Graeme No.3

      I would point out that in ancient times the Greeks were able to bar the pass of Thermopylae with far fewer troops than the Persians.
      In WW2 certain classically trained bureaucrats suggested it as a bar to the Germans. The army officers took one look at the site, now 9-10 miles wide, and continued the withdrawal.
      The retreat of the ocean had left a wide flat plain, suited to the German tanks.

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      Alan

      Sorry KK but sea-levels 6000 yr ago were only 1.5-2 metres above current levels, even that is disputed by some earth scientists.
      And Graeme No.3 those changes around the Greek and Turkish coasts are due to up-lift

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        Bill in Oz

        But the Pirieus harbour near Athens is the same now as it was 2500 years ago. No uplift there.

        However the ancient Greeks cut down a huge number of trees to build their fleets of warships and trading ships. Event he ancient Greeks commented on this deforestation. That deforestation of the hills and mountains of Greece initiated a huge amount of soil erosion which was deposited I suspect in the bay at Thermopylae transforming that shallow bay and marshland into the modern day plain.

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        Kinky Keith

        Sorry Alan, you are wrong.

        After the big melt that began just over 20,000 years ago the full sea level rise was in the order of 130 metres.

        It overshot current levels by a max of 6 metres and then began to oscillate down.

        The best I can do for you is to agree that in some parts of the world the topout was only 4 metres above present.

        That’s still a lot of ice to hide, isn’t it.

        The final drop of 1.2 metres over the last 2,000 years is likewise not up for grabs.
        This drop has been a geological feature of Australian coastal lore way before global warming was even thought of so it is evidenced in two widely separate locations on the planet.

        There’s also some talk that the top out in some places may have even been up to 7 metres.

        Another point, you might want to check on the max rate of isostatic rebound you might expect in 2,000 years.

        5 mm?

        KK

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          Alan

          Oh those 40 or so years as an earth scientist must make me wrong

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            Kinky Keith

            40 years of what?

            “And Graeme No.3 those changes around the Greek and Turkish coasts are due to up-lift”

            Answer my question: how much uplift in 6,000 years.

            What’s the point of your post, to try and discredit me?

            Sea levels overshot by a minimum of 4 metres above present at the last big melt.

            Geological evidence says that they have been oscillating down to present.

            My point is that it’s an indisputable sign of polar ice cap growth.

            Polar ice caps don’t grow during global warming.

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            Kinky Keith

            40 years of what?

            “And Graeme No.3 those changes around the Greek and Turkish coasts are due to up-lift”

            Answer my question: how much uplift in 6,000 years.

            What’s the point of your post, to try and discredit me?

            Sea levels overshot by a minimum of 4 metres above present at the last big melt.

            Geological evidence says that they have been oscillating down to present.

            My point is that it’s an indisputable sign of polar ice cap growth.

            Polar ice caps don’t grow during global warming.

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              Graeme No.3

              KK:

              What are you on about? I never said that. I am quite prepared to admit Turkey and Greece are unstable tectonically but Piraeus is still in use, unlike Ostia, the ancient port of Rome, now 3 kilometres inland.
              Harlech castle survived sieges thanks to its access to the sea, but that has gone. Roman ports in England are now difficult of access.
              Further back, Ur was a sea port but is now 200 kilometres from the Persian Gulf, a combination of about 2 metre drop in sea level and lots of silt from the Euphrates and Tigris rivers.
              Yes, polar ice caps have grown in the last 1,000 years.

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                Kinky Keith

                Sorry Graeme,
                this has become confused.

                At one point I was responding to a comment by Alan who mentioned you. I don’t think that I’ve directly commented to you.

                Alan’s comment which I put in inverted commas started: “And Graeme No.3 those changes”.

                As to Alan’s assertion that uplift caused Ephesus harbour to become inaccessible I’m not really qualified to say. I did go over it with Google earth some time ago and wasn’t sure what was going on.

                The problem for me was his original attack which seemed too much like a warmer trying to counter my maintenance point, that there’s strong evidence for cooling over several thousand years.

                The issue of how high the big melt overshot is extremely variable and depends on location. Australia, from what I remember, did not experience the full 6 metres I mentioned, but other places did.

                Perhaps there were blockages from East to West.
                Alan might be a reasonable bloke but his comment was suspicious.

                My main point was that there is strong evidence for sea level fall since the last highstand and the water missing can only be at the poles.

                Peace. KK

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                Alan

                Ok KK I can’t let some of these recent comments just go past, you appear to be “jumping at shadows” now

                “The problem for me was his original attack which seemed too much like a warmer trying to counter my maintenance point, …”

                Well there was no original “attack”. I merely pointed out that the maximum Holocene sea-level was of the order of 1.5-2m above present.Perhaps I should have added for clarity that this was were there was not tectonic up-lift present. You may see much higher figures around but these are generally in active tectonic zones (NZ, Japan, the Mediterranean – look up the Hellenic Arc). What a hoot, you likened me to a warmer, thats far more insulting than being called a one of those den… thingos :) . Boy my family and friends would get a chuckle out of that.

                You also asked somewhere “how much uplift in 6,000 years”. Well KK how much do you want? Have a look here, here, here and here for examples. With the last one click on the picture to get the full description. While on the topic check out other GNS links for some nice geological footage.

                Also got a smile out of this one “The issue of how high the big melt overshot is extremely variable and depends on location. Australia, from what I remember, did not experience the full 6 metres I mentioned, but other places did. Perhaps there were blockages from East to West.” Is that like something stuck in the S-bend? Not sure what and where that blockage could be though, just stick to the max of 2m. The first part of this is a good basic summary

                And of course “Alan might be a reasonable bloke but his comment was suspicious”. Of course I’m a reasonable bloke, just ask me. As for being suspicious, well I have been called worse

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                Kinky Keith

                Hi Alan,

                After asking that question about uplift I went looking, in general terms and found that 1 mm p.a. was reasonable, so in 2,000 years an apparent fall of 2 metres was not out of the question if there had been instability.
                As I said, I wasn’t qualified to argue that point about Ephesus.

                The sea level fall from the highstand after the big melt is quite reasonable to assume considering the quantities involved.
                An undoubted rise of 125 metres followed by a pull back of 4 metres after finding equilibrium seems not outrageous to imagine. With isostatic rebound and tectonic activity it’s a complicated area that I’m only roughly familiar.
                Even so I think I’m on safe ground saying that significant sea level fall even after taking ground movement into account suggests cooling for several thousand years.

                :-) KK

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                Alan

                Further to the Ephesus issue, came across this paper which in part states (my bold)

                “Seasonal floods of the Cayster River (Küçük Menderes) were the major source of the silt that progressively infilled the harbor. Silting in was further enhanced by the westward migration of the river mouth. A single major disruptive event located at 550 cm core depth and heralding the development of anoxia in the harbor marks the end of the dynamic regime that otherwise controlled the harbor water throughout the Roman Empire period. This remarkable event may correspond to a major disruption of the aqueduct system or to a brutal avulsion of the Cayster River bed. It clearly represents a major disturbance in the history of life at Ephesus.”

                There is a possibility that avulsion may have been due to a tectonic event

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                Alan

                Sorry meant to add that the full paper is paywalled

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                Kinky Keith

                Hi Alan at 11.2.2.2.1.4,

                Thanks, I accept that.

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          Alan

          The rest of my reply disappeared.There is no evidence anywhere for Holocene sea-levels more than 2m above present.
          What has isostatic rebound got to do with this area?
          Bill up-lift in the Med is tectonic so varies greatly even over short distances

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    Tel

    Big show to prove to the other members of her Climate Congregation that she is deeply committed to their common cause.

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    el gordo

    The Southern Hemisphere hockey stick was disgraceful.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    She haas an h-index of 23, and has over 2400 citations. I’d listen to any he’s has to say

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      Graeme#4

      Anybody can increase both their h-index and number of citations simply by self-referencing their own papers, so these “indexes” are worthless when judging a person’s contributions to science.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        got proof that this is the case here?

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          Bill in Oz

          You are asking us to disprove your assertion mate
          No you prove that your method
          Of assessing scientists
          In Valid

          After all it’s just YOUR hypothesis so far.

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          AndyG55

          got proof of warming by increased atmospheric CO2, PF?

          TOTALLY EMPTY so far.

          And yes, the climate cabal all cite each other in a little group, as well as writing irrelevant papers that cite their own nonsense work.

          Gotta boost those numbers, numbers mean cash in the world of “climate science™”, even if the papers are total trash.

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        Gee aye

        self references are excluded.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          Thanks – my point is validated

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            AndyG55

            You had no point, as usual, PF.

            The inner circle of the AGW cabal make sure citation are pushed up.

            The worse the paper, the harder they push it.

            I wonder what the citation number on Mann’s Hockey Schtick paper was, and it was a truly a total and absolute MESS.

            The louder the paper YELLS the AGW message, the more citations its gets from the cabal…. ActualScience, be damned !!

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            Fred Streeter

            So, you accept any statement that you agree with as being true?

            Without checking whether a self citation might, indeed, be included in the citation count.

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          Fred Streeter

          Self references are excluded.

          Nonsense. The Journals and Google Scholar appear to accept self-citing, including it in the citation count.

          I pick, at random:

          JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH
          Volume 115 16th May 2010

          “Reconstructing surface temperature changes over the past 600 years using climate model simulations with data assimilation”

          Authors: H. Goosse E. Crespin A. de Montety M. E. Mann H. Renssen A. Timmermann

          This paper cites (i.e. explicitly references as a source for substantiation) scholarly papers that Michael Mann authored:

          Mann et al 1999
          Mann and Jones 2003
          Mann et al 2005
          Mann et al 2007
          Mann et al 2008
          etc.
          And Mann et al 2008 cites Mann et al 1999, as do others.

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            Gee aye

            you can do it both ways but think about this. If you have 20 papers there is not a great amount of self citation possible. Later papers cannot cite earlier ones. At most Paper 1 can get 19 self-cites – unlikely to be rational given how scientific authorships work. Also, self citation is mandatory to the extent that paper 20 for example might be building on the work of paper 3, 6 and 8.The Mann example is a good one as you can see for yourself that removing those citations from the index makes no difference.

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              Fred Streeter

              “self references are excluded.”

              “Nonsense.”

              Point made.

              I was not addressing the possibility of using self-, crony-, or clique citation as a means of boosting one’s rating.

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      Yonniestone

      You have a 100% scientific failure index here Peter, maybe you two should date?

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      MudCrab

      I’d listen to any he’s has to say (my bold)

      Awkward typo there, young Peter. You know how Lefts need pronoun security :-P

      Remember matie, you don’t have to press Post Comment straight away. An extra 10 seconds re-reading what you have just typed will help to keep people discussing your actual argument, and not poking fun at your keyboard skills.

      Also, the Kettle says hi, as does the Pot. Tis fun to live in the kitchen. :D

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      RicDre

      “She haas an h-index of 23, and has over 2400 citations. I’d listen to any he’s has to say”

      Sorry, but argumentum ad verecundiam is a logical fallacy.

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          AndyG55

          That landed in the wrong place, sorry !

          Was a reply to the PF stupidity.

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            RicDre

            “That landed in the wrong place, sorry !”

            Not a problem, I assumed the comment was not aimed at me.

            Like you, I don’t agree with a lot of things posted by Peter Fitzroy, but I try to be civil in my replies to him and not resort to name calling as it really doesn’t add anything to the discussion.

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              el gordo

              Yes, ad homs are a logical fallacy and surplus to requirement.

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                AndyG55

                Wrong, in PF’s case, ad homs directed at him are factual truth.

                I am only interested in stating the facts as I see them, unbound by any PC garbage.

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                el gordo

                Please state the facts as you see them, but appreciate we all have different views. Mr Fitz is off the planet, take this as an opportunity to show the world, with wit and wisdom, how they got it so wrong.

                We have to make them laugh at themselves and Fitz is offering practice time.

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              Kinky Keith

              I don’t think anyone would disagree with your sentiments Ric, but the purpose of the PF presence seems to have one purpose only, to disrupt.

              At least up to the point where the comments linked were made, I couldn’t identify one comment that had any “content”.

              When three comments on the same thread each get thirty red ticks it suggests that the natives feel put upon. Peer review?

              http://joannenova.com.au/2019/05/theres-a-new-climate-activist-non-party-party-in-australia/#comment-2135823

              My main concern has been that if these comments are left unflagged as junk, it’s possible that someone reading them may take them as real.

              I can get enough of that listening to the various government propaganda outlets like JJJ where there’s a continuous flow of Climate Worry designed to promote guilt and acceptance of “higher authority”.

              KK

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              AndyG55

              People like PF are supporting an agenda that, by its own words, wants to bring down the whole of western civilisation and make it into a degenerative socialist/marxist slum so they can ‘feel’ that they can “fit in”..

              Be it through wanton ignorance, or some other deep-seated immorality, who knows!

              I see absolutely no need to be polite to these people.

              They should be attacked by any means possible.

              Sorry if you can’t cope with that.

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                RicDre

                “I see absolutely no need to be polite to these people. … Sorry if you can’t cope with that.”

                I have no problem coping with it, I just don’t think it adds anything to the discussion.

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                Kinky Keith

                Hi Ric,
                the thing for me is that where PF’s comments are concerned there is no discussion:
                it’s all verbalisation that looks like discussion but is just infill.
                I find it curious that Joelle Gergis is subjected to intense scrutiny but someone else doing, in a sense, something more devious here is seen as having a “discussion”.

                KK

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                AndyG55

                “I just don’t think it adds anything to the discussion”

                I think it does.

                If people are too blind to see for themselves, they need to be informed just how much of a total **** PF is.

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                RicDre

                AndyG55: “I think it does.”

                You are entitled to your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

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                RicDre

                KK: “the thing for me is that where PF’s comments are concerned there is no discussion:”

                I understand your point and agree that is often the case, but when we see a comment that we feel is meant to be disruptive and not meant to start a discussion, we have three choices:
                1) Ignore the comment.
                2) Provide an argument as to why the comment is wrong.
                3) Make an uncivil statement about the comment.
                Options 1 & 3 ensure there will be no discussion.
                Option 2 does not guarantee there will be a discussion but at least allows for the possibility.
                I try to stick to options 1 & 2 but we are all free to make whatever choice we think is best.

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                el gordo

                ‘People like PF are supporting an agenda …’

                He is not a paid troll, a heinous offence, in my mind Fitz is a millennial school teacher who accepts the guff that the world is coming to an end.

                ‘I see absolutely no need to be polite to these people.’

                Hmmm …. then you’ll never be a science communicator.

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                AndyG55

                “2) Provide an argument as to why the comment is wrong.”

                Have done so many, many times

                This has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on PF.

                Facts and Science just are not allowed to interfere with his trolling.

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                AndyG55

                “then you’ll never be a science communicator”

                But El G.. that is EXACTLY what I am, a science and engineering communicator. !

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                RicDre

                AndyG55: “’2) Provide an argument as to why the comment is wrong.’ Have done so many, many times. This has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on PF.”

                I agree that this is very often true. There is always option 1 as option 3 also does not appear to have any effect.

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                Bill in Oz

                Andy there is the need to maintain a
                Standard of courtesy here I think.
                Even when idiots like PF try to press our buttons
                Please see his efforts for what they are
                An attempt to discredit this Blog
                By waving thread bare rags
                At those of us with less patience.

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                The best comments explain why someone is wrong. Andy, you know the reasons, and you can argue them well. I know it’s an effort, I know you’ve said it all before, and the person you reply to may ignore it, but do it for the other readers. And do it because I wouldn’t let trolls pop in for drive by insults without any reasons…

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                AndyG55

                OK Jo, I will try to stem the direct derision. !

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                AndyG55

                “then you’ll never be a science communicator”

                Tell El G, was there any point at which you didn’t know exactly what I meant?

                That is the art of effective communication, is it not !! ;-)

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          Kinky Keith

          Whatever that comment was, a lot of people seem to have agreed with it.

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            AndyG55

            Oh dear, I must have said something “bad” again..

            Telling the truth about a person, can often be hurtful. ;-)

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        Graeme#4

        I was wondering whether Einstein and Feynman ever relied on these indexes to confirm their status as great scientists.

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          David Maddison

          H-indices are BS. According to them:

          Einstein ranks as the 347th top physicist and has an h-index of 108 and Feynman ranks 700 with an h-index of 60. Those scores likely wouldn’t get them a professorship today or public recognition.

          On the other hand they DID have something worthwhile to contribute unlike any self-described “climate scientist” who probably has a huge h-index from publishing fslse and meaningless drivel. What an insult to Einstein and Feynman!

          https://www.webometrics.info/en/node/186

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        Peter Fitzroy

        no, argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of defeasible argument in which a claimed authority’s support is used as evidence for an argument’s conclusion. No fallacy there.

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          Bill in Oz

          ‘defeasible’ ?

          Never heard of it Peter

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          el gordo

          This is fallacious.

          “Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: #climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” President Obama

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            Greg in NZ

            I heard Barry say “ninety-nine percent” in one of his pre-prepared script-reading events. Wonder if P.F. used to be one of his writers/researchers?

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          Fitzroy, good luck with your brave new logical theory. As I understand it it means that if someone published a brilliant game-changing paper, it’s automatically wrong (by “paper count”) until it gets enough citations, even if those citations are criticizing it/praising it/whatever.

          How many citations does it take to flip a “wrong” paper into a “right” one?

          Interesting phase transition whereby a statement suddenly becomes the truth after say 1,000 citations. Be good to study that. Or is it nearly true at 999?

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            Peter Fitzroy

            Well, if it was a hit in the citations index, that would work

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              Kinky Keith

              Peter, I agree.
              Citations indexes are an important part of the modern university system and need to be better understood.
              Every tree needs a familiar, functioning structure of roots, trunk, branches and leaves and similarly modern academic life needs a functioning feedback system, FFS, to guide academics in their work. But just, as a study shows, Wombats can disrupt the growth of a tree because they eat roots and leaves, that academic equivalent of the tree, the FFS, needs protection from the academic equivalent of wombats by a university oversight committee.
              Modern society may be structurally messed up but at least the FFS gives us some hope of logical feedback.

              KK

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              Kinky Keith

              And, I have given you a green tick because Jo likes having you hear on the blog.
              Also I want to apologyse for having previously indicated, in wryting, hear, that I thought you were a “blog flogger”. I was obviously seriously mistaken.

              KK

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              Kinky Keith

              Totally phalacious.

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            Peter Fitzroy

            Say a seminal paper like ‘the Origen of the Species’ took a long time to be recognised, so its citations frequency would hav e looked like a hockey stick. One thing is sure-,good papers get lots of citations

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              AndyG55

              “good papers get lots of citations”

              REALLY BAD papers get the most citations in “climate science™”

              The worse the better in that arena. !! eg Mann, Gergis, the fake fish one from JCU, etc. etc…..

              They are used to propagate PROPAGANDA lies and mis-information.

              There are very few “good” papers coming from the “climate alarmist” camp.

              Oddly, there is not one single paper from the “climate science™” bletheren that proves CO2 warming using empirical evidence.

              Now I wonder why that would be! ;-)

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              Peter, but was the Origin of Species wrong when it had 0 citations, or was it just as true regardless?

              In other words, using citations as a form of argument is a weak and slow form of reasoning which may or may not have any connection to the truth. aka it’s “a fallacy”.

              If the political powers that be at the time of Darwin were like the Vatican in the times of Galileo — and had wanted to crush Darwin’s work — they would have just funded many researchers to find irrelevant errors in it, or publish competing, wrong ideas that got lots of citations. For decades people could have “shown” Darwin was wrong because he didn’t have many citations.

              Our current governments an easily influence citations for political purposes without even one conspiracy, and without fraud. All they need is a culture that employs thousands of B-grade minor nobodies to generate junk computer model research at the same time as they chuck out real researchers (Peter Ridd, Bob Carter, Pat Michaels, David Legates, Roger Pielke Jnr, and scores of skeptics no one ever hears of because they didn’t get past the job interview, or they didn’t even apply for the job in the first place because they don’t want the hassle.)

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          RicDre

          “no, argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of defeasible argument in which a claimed authority’s support is used as evidence for an argument’s conclusion. No fallacy there.”

          Arguing that a paper with a better h-index and number of citations is a more authoritative paper than one with a lesser h-index and citations is a logical fallacy. A paper’s authority stands or falls strictly on it contents.

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        theRealUniverse

        I dont get too excited about PF. I think hes wrong on some issues and I say it.
        If they believe they believe.

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      Gee aye

      Dammit mine is only 18 with 1200 cites. I demand more respect.

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      OriginalSteve

      There is no room for emotion in science.

      You might as well consult rat entrails or watch swallow flight to “advise” on the reef….

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Well yes the science should be objective…

        However, the scientist must, and almost by definition be passionate about their area of study. After all studying one subject for your entire life would require a high level of passion, something I’m sure Gee aye can attest. Those fruit flies aren’t going to study themselves now are they?

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      Phoenix44

      2400 citations tells you how absurd this discipline is. What exactly has she discovered that merits that many citations in other, real science papers?

      Nothing you can actually put your finger on. Instead we have a endless round of identical papers adding nothing new and citing each other.

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        Greebo

        Instead we have a endless round of identical papers adding nothing new and citing each other.

        To paraphrase Sir Terry Pratchett, they’re rather like cuttlefish; in times of stress they disappear in a cloud of ink….

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        Peter Fitzroy

        You do not understand how publications work do you?

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          AndyG55

          “You do not understand how publications work do you”

          You certainly don’t, PF, you remain ignorant of all things.

          You don’t even know how citations work in the murky, fetid, incestuous waters of the AGW scam.

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      Rob Leviston

      With all that emotional ballyhoo, she is nothing but a clanging cymbal! Lotsa noise, but no substance!

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    Bill in Oz

    This woman is neither my wife
    My mother !
    Nor my daughter !
    So being blunt
    I do not give a rat’s @rse
    About her histrionics.
    They are just planned attempts at
    Emotional blackmail.
    So we will seek to calm her down
    By agreeing with her.

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      AndyG55

      “Emotional blackmail.”

      Well it has me rolling on the ground in laughter, so its affecting my emotions.

      Its very much like watching a 5 year old chucking a tanty in a supermarket.

      I have never seem anything quite as RIDICULOUS as her histrionics.

      She makes a complete and utter MOCKERY of herself and the whole AGW scam.

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    Robdel

    Greta, you have competition now.

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    Yonniestone

    After Cassandra spurned the advances of the sun god he cursed her gift of prophesy so that not only would no one believe her but her prophesies would be rediculious in the extreme.

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    Peter

    The woman is disturbed and it’s frightening to see how she ignores the science saying that the warming cycle we are now experiencing is totally natural with many historical precedents.

    If if she did, she wouldn’t be an IPCC author, they only take alarmists.

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    Greg in NZ

    Excuse my rustic colonial poetry but, she reminds me of a cup of cold sick. And talking of:
    Warm Words: How are we telling the climate change story and can we tell it better?

    https://www.ippr.org/files/images/media/files/publication/2011/05/warm_words_1529.pdf

    Someone posted this here a while back and, always keen for knowledge punishment, I inserted the korrect intertubes to find the only ‘science‘ on offer was a re-vamped version of social engineering through kontrol of the lingua franca (excuse my French). This outfit, ippr, ™the UK’s leading progressive think-tank™, reads like a branch of Tavistok or KAOS itself:

    “Deploying effective communications [ ] will be essential… The report sets out the results of research into how climate change is being communicated and discussed [and] how it might be connecting or failing to connect with mass audiences… The research found that the climate change discourse in the UK [or Aus or anywhere] looks confusing, contradictory and chaotic”. No ship, Sherlock, or as we prefer to call it, total bollock$. Don’t cry for me, Joëlle Gergis

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      theRealUniverse

      The report sets out the results of research into how climate change is being communicated and discussed forced down peoples throat [and] how it might be connecting indoctrinating or failing to connect scam with mass audiences…

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        Greg in NZ

        True that. Or as the HeebeeGeebees quivered with falsetto voice: It’s only words, and words are all I have

        The authors (one a market researcher, the other a scriptwriter/churnalist) are part of “Semiotic Solutions and Linguistic Landscapes” who received help from “Xtreme Information… the BBC… CE Electric [rebranded as Northern Powergrid UK, whose president and chief executive is a Phil Jones (?)]… RWE npower [coal, gas, oil fired power stations & windmills] as well as the core funders of ippr’s Low Carbon Programme: Shell International”.

        What! Funded by evil fossil fuel industry d’niers??? Oh the humanity hypocrisy!!!

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    joseph

    I’m going to try to relax while waiting for the Sunday evening TV program that the ABC is advertising as being the program that will provide us with the facts on global warming.

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      theRealUniverse

      .. the program that will provide us with the facts total lies and fiction on global warming…

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    MudCrab

    …the image of his brain was a pool of blood.

    Oh? Is THAT all you need in your personal back catalogue?

    Well then! When I was 15 I had my tonsils out. Or rather I was guess of honour during an attempt to have my tonsils out. The operation was not a complete success and during the recovery post operation I found myself sick to the bottom of my stomach. Literally.

    So after some projectile vomiting of blood, a midnight ambulance transfer, some more projectile vomiting of more blood, emergency second surgery at 1am and two blood transfusions, I then work up in the intensive care ward at 5am surrounded by pre-mature babies. Then, having eventually obtained the doctor’s permission, I was allowed up to use a bathroom in a nearby ward and, having found an unguarded TV and it being Saturday morning, sat down for a clear-eyed and compassionate look at an episode of Robotech.

    So there you go. Blood AND clear-eyed reasoning. Pretty sure that by Joelle’s benchmark that makes me a massive subject matter expert on SOMETHING. Not quite sure what yet. Either Passive Aggressive Sarcasm or Climate Change, got to be one of the two.

    While we muse on this, maybe some words from Tom Shepard’s ‘The Player’ on the topic of dark red and runny…

    “We’re more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can’t give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They’re all blood, you see.”

    Tom Shepard understood Climate Change.

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    pat

    who wouldn’t cry?

    Power and water bills set to rise to cover climate change initiatives
    Daily Telegraph – 3 hours ago
    Koalas big winners in Gladys’ green fund gouge… Families are being gouged with higher electricity bills to help fund a $276 million state “slush fund” which doles out grants to save koalas, gives pensioners cheap TVs and claims to “increase public awareness of climate change.”…

    5 Aug: Brisbane Times: Climate change activists to grind Brisbane to a halt on ‘rebellion day’
    By Toby Crockford
    Extinction Rebellion expects hundreds of protesters will gather outside 1 William Street, the state government’s tower of power, about 7am on Tuesday and carry out “mass civil disobedience”.
    In preparation, the non-violent group has published a legal guide to their supporters, giving them supposed tips on what they can and cannot do.
    “As a general rule, you should not answer the police’s questions. Police may lie or mislead you,” it reads…

    They also provided a support number that activists can “call for pick-up from [the] watchhouse”…READ ON
    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/climate-change-activists-to-grind-brisbane-to-a-halt-on-rebellion-day-20190805-p52e2h.html

    4 Aug: Deutsche Welle: Will it soon be too late to save the climate?
    The quantity of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere keeps increasing. The Earth’s temperature is rising. Now media are reporting that we only have 18 months to save the climate. Scaremongering, or a serious prognosis?
    by Patrick Grosse
    This time, the warning came directly from Buckingham Palace in London. “I am firmly of the view that the next 18 months will decide our ability to keep climate change to survivable levels and to restore nature to the equilibrium we need for our survival,” Prince Charles said recently.

    The BBC reported this message from the heir to the British throne in an article titled “12 years to save the planet? Make that 18 months.” It also quoted a statement by a German scientist, Hans Joachim Schnellnhuber, from 2017, with the founder of the Potsdam Climate Institute already warning that “while the world can’t be healed within the next few years, it may be fatally wounded by negligence until 2020.”

    First, the good news: No, the world isn’t going to go under in 2020. The bad news is that Prince Charles and Schellnhuber do have very good reasons for making these dramatic prognoses…
    https://www.dw.com/en/will-it-soon-be-too-late-to-save-the-climate/a-49889771

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    Ruairi

    Some scientists opt to be seers,
    Deluded by false climate fears,
    Then project and assume,
    A future of doom,
    In papers acclaimed by their peers.

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    pat

    30 Dec 2018: SMH: In the hot seat: Joelle’s journey from the dole to a global role
    By Julie Perrin
    In 2006, climate scientist Dr Joelle Gergis was pulling weeds under Melbourne’s West Gate Bridge on the work-for-the-dole scheme. Centrelink advised removing her PhD from her resume, saying: “It’s not going to help you find a job.”
    She refused, and instead enrolled in a professional writing course…
    But the story is not all pretty. Since 2012, Gergis has had to face attacks from trolls and climate change sceptics. But 2018 has seen her climate research vindicated and the story of her work published to acclaim…

    Back in those Centrelink days, I met Gergis in a writing class at RMIT. She was a couple of years shy of 30. During class introductions she said: “I’m doing this course because I want to write about climate science in a way ordinary people can understand.”
    You knew she meant it…
    We met up at the bike racks after class and rode homewards, chatting as our lights flashed in the winter dark. Twenty years Gergis’ senior, I had no science background. She was a drummer from a girl band turned climate scientist – even my teenage kids were impressed…

    In 2008, Gergis was introduced to eminent climate scientist Professor David Karoly at the University of Melbourne. He liked her research proposal to reconstruct Australia’s climate history of the past 1000 years. Karoly knew that nothing like this existed for Australia, so he backed her to write a multi-disciplinary research funding application, bringing on board some of Australia’s leading climate scientists, historians and water managers.
    The result was the SEARCH team…
    By 2012, the SEARCH project had produced remarkable results, including a study showing the unprecedented recent warming of Australian temperatures associated with greenhouse gases…
    The findings were seen as reinforcing the iconic “hockey stick” image of abrupt late 20th century warming which had become the bete noire of the climate change sceptics…

    But the sceptics didn’t win. Their trawling found nothing, no trail of deceit. Over four years, the SEARCH team re-crunched all of the statistical inputs using de-trended data and the outcome was virtually identical. The original research was now reinforced by extensive review. An independent group of international scientists reproduced the results using three additional statistical methods in one of the field’s leading journals, Nature Geoscience…READ ON
    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/in-the-hot-seat-joelle-s-journey-from-the-dole-to-a-global-role-20181218-p50n13.html

    YOUTUBE: 6min51sec: 11 Jun: ABC Breakfast: Fran Kelly: Global Paris pledges need to triple to stay within 2C of global warming, says expert
    Around 400 meteorologists, oceanographers and climate change scientists are descending on the Top End this morning.
    They’re gathering for the biggest meeting of minds of its kind in the southern hemisphere: the annual Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society conference.
    Guest: Dr Joelle Gergis, climate scientist, Australian National University, and councillor, Climate Council
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/paris-pledges-need-to-triple-to-stay-within-2c-of-global-warming/11197900

    LINKS TO AMOS-ICTMO 2019 DRAFT PROGRAMS – 12 PAGES
    page 11: Many thanks to our generous sponsors, partners and supporters ETC
    https://amos2019.org.au/program/

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      Mike Jonas

      That Joelle Gergis paper that you are praising so highly, pat, couldn’t possibly be the one (could it?) that was withdrawn by the American Meteorological Society because it had fatal flaws?
      https://tinyurl.com/y32q3k5u
      Normally, when a commenter references a paper, they provide a link to the paper. You didn’t. Was that because the link to the paper no longer exists because the paper was withdrawn?

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      el gordo

      Thanks Pat, good sleuthing.

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    tom0mason

    A song for the sensitive Joelle Gergis.
    (To the tune of ‘Both Sides Now’ with apologies to Joni Mitchell)

    Rows and flows of climate scare,
    And adjustments plucked out of the air,
    With stormy droughts freezing everywhere,
    We’ve looked at clouds that way.

    But now they only block the Sun,
    As models project rain on everyone.
    So much heat-held albedo it’s done,
    But those clouds got in our way.

    We’ve looked at clouds from both sides now,
    Computed parameters, and still somehow,
    No, cloud delusions we recall,
    We really do know clouds at all.

    Moons, warm June’s, and icy-caps,
    The climate chaos, and way you feel.
    Cause virtual climate is just so real.
    I’ve emoted at clouds that way.

    But now it’s just another show,
    Take the money, leave crying as you go.
    And if you care, don’t let them know.
    Don’t give yourself away.

    We’ve looked at climate from both sides now,
    From give and take, and still somehow,
    It’s CO2′s illusions I recall.
    We like the payments, that’s all.

    Fears, more fears and feeling proud,
    With hubris we shout right out loud.
    All dreams and schemes conning crowds,
    We see extinction’s rise that way.

    But now old weather’s acting strange.
    CO2 still warming but clouds have changed?
    So everyone’s lost when we’ve gained,
    We’ve a fat cheque every day.

    We’ve looked at life from both sides now,
    From win and lose and still somehow,
    It’s extinction’s illusions I recall.
    We really know bad climate, that’s all.

    We’ve looked at life from both sides now,
    From up and down and still somehow,
    It’s CO2′s illusions I recall.
    ‘Cause we really don’t know anything, at all.

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    Henning Nielsen

    She must control her “volcanically explosive rage”, for the sake of the climate. Volcano eruptions emit huge amounts of co2.

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    Mickey REno

    We know Ms. Gergis can lie like a rug as she did after Jean S. pointed out the big error in her first S. Hemisphere hockey sticks paper (oh, we found this error ourselves, it was only the most amazing of coincidences that we found it within minutes after it was posted in Climate Audit comments). And bless her pointed little head if she doesn’t give the most creative interpretation of the word ‘typo’ that I’ve ever seen. She cries like a female, Australian version of Eric Holthaus. So what other tricks does she have up her sleeve? Like him, does she lament people having babies? Does she also cry and feel guilty while waiting to board her airplane on the way to climate conferences, promising never to board another aircraft ever again (falling short of the Greta Thunberg level of purity)? I offer her my sincere sympathies regarding her father. But her climate pain I mock and scoff at. How does she feel about people in S. Australian losing their jobs because aluminum smelters close and auto plants shut down, or suffer through pointless, unnecessary blackouts, or pay unnecessarily high rates for their far less reliable electricity? How about that, Ms. Gergis? Can you work up a tear for those things?

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      Mickey REno

      South Australian – that’s a new, little known state, just South of South Australia, forgotten because it had no electricity. ha ha ha Ms. Gergis, please note, this is a real example of a typo.

      I forgot to mention this in my previous post: how about a tear for the injustice done to Dr. Ridd by the jack-booted thugs at JCU? How would you feel, Ms. Gergis, if a jack-booted thug tried to step on your neck and your academic freedom and your sense of what constitutes good science, and then were also told you that you could not speak to your spouse about the jack-booted thuggery they were trying to impose on your neck and your career and your life?

      Let’s all try to arrive at a more proper sense of wrong and evil and risk, shall we?

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    Leonard Lane

    Jo:
    I hope your Dad gets well and is with you a long time.

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    Roy Hogue

    Let’s face it, I was born in the wrong Century. I never had the chance to have such a cushy job as idiot savant, moron scientist. I feel cheated. Life must be so much better when you can raise hell all over the world and people will worship you for it.

    I want my share of these jobs. Here’s what I can do.

    — I can tel tall stories and other prevarications with ease

    — I can tell when I’ve been around too long and I’m real good at fake offing myself ceremonies. That gets at them easily, “Poor old man doesn’t know what he’s doing.”

    — I can write about how awful things have become. This is perfectly legal, therefore also moral and ethical.

    — I can insist that my opinion supersedes all evidence and all reason. After all, I’m the reigning expert on climate change. Just ask me and I’ll tell you so and right to your face. There’s no soft—pedaling things with me. I give it out straight every time, no equivocation from me, not ever.

    — I can stand on any street corner and shout, “Repent, the end is near and it’s your fault.” This is very important, the other guy, the deniers have to admit that it’s all their fault.

    — Etc., etc., and etc. On until ad nauseam.

    I really should have one of those cushy jobs. C’mon folks help me out here.

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    David Maddison

    We have to be strict in what we define as a scientist because too many people who do not follow the scientific method, or likely even know what it is, describe themselves as such.

    This is a consequence of Rudi Dutschke’s “long march through the institutions” from the 1960′s which was the long term plan to infiltrate with socialists all institutions representive of capitalism-based Western Civilisation with a view to its destruction.

    Clearly the plan is coming to fruition.

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      PeterS

      If that’s indeed their plan, which is debatable but I tend to agree, it’s being implemented with great success without using the military initially. Our public schools and Universities are in effect the propaganda machines of pseudo socialists, along with the tax funded ABC. It makes it simpler for the the real socialists to send in the troops later. Hong Kong might be a trial run. If anyone thinks this is highly unlikely they haven’t studied history.

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        David Maddison

        It is their plan. Here is where Dutschke says it (with English subtitles).

        https://youtu.be/q_r_XahzELY

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          PeterS

          There are many people like him still alive today but they are now more subtle and clever at disguising themselves. In the end it will be a war between the far left and the far right. Who wins matters not. The result will be much the same.

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            Mike Jonas

            PeterS – I don’t think the war will be between the far left and the far right. More likely between the far left and everyone else. Followed, win or lose, by a war between some of the far left and others of the far left. After that, if “everyone else” lost, there won’t be much left (no pun intended).

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          OriginalSteve

          Watching his body language, its like watching a jackal in human form….very otherworldly…..

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      theRealUniverse

      Also there is no public liability for statements from these (fake) scientists. No engineer could build public structure without liability. These absurd statements are a form of public information which has NO scrutiny applied or common sense.
      Climate scam is truly run by a consort of criminals with total backing by the Universities and the MSM.

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    David Maddison

    Richard Feynman talks about the scientific method. Excellent!

    https://youtu.be/EYPapE-3FRw

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      theRealUniverse

      The great Professor Feynman, I had privilege to hear him give a lecture back in the 80s. He also was a very nice person.

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      theRealUniverse

      And every scientists should take not of what he said in that speech to Cornell, it is so applicable. not just then but for all times.

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        OriginalSteve

        The problem is simply that the process is hijacked by politics, not science.

        I was thinking the other day how tech people seem to end up in the workplace subservient to people who are skilled in the art of manipulation of other humans, most of whom and have zero tech knowledge….its very annoying at times.

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    Svend Ferdinandsen

    I wonder if she ever could discriminate between her feelings and the facts and numbers of what she is supposed to analyze.
    I feel hot to day, it must be climate change/global warming or is it the menopause. Why don’t you check the thermometer?

    It is not nice, but i really hope all those scientist that show their grief of the state of climate and action sleeps very bad with a lot of nightmares. It could balance the anxiety they impose on those who believe them.

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    David Maddison

    Here is an article about her which has a typical Leftist bias but you can read between the lines.

    https://amp.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/in-the-hot-seat-joelle-s-journey-from-the-dole-to-a-global-role-20181218-p50n13.html

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    Drapetomania

    I remember Gergis…I did an FOI dump of some of her work years ago..
    Steve Mc has spent years correcting her papers and helping her with corrections…. :)
    When your in a rush saving the world flying to conferences there is no time to check results..
    Its the message that counts NOT the data you dirty oil funded heartless $#@! :)

    https://climateaudit.org/tag/gergis/

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    el gordo

    I always thought Karoly and the klimatariat were responsible for her bias, but apparently she needs no encouragement.

    https://www.findanexpert.unimelb.edu.au/display/person203094

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    Robber

    In 2006, climate scientist Dr Joelle Gergis was pulling weeds under Melbourne’s West Gate Bridge on the work-for-the-dole scheme. Centrelink advised removing her PhD from her resume, saying: “It’s not going to help you find a job.”

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    pat

    5 Aug: BBC: The animals that will survive climate change
    With one in every four species facing extinction, which animals are the best equipped to survive the climate crisis? (Spoiler alert: it’s probably not humans).
    By Christine Ro
    “I don’t think it will be the humans. I think we’ll go quite early on,” says Julie Gray with a laugh. I’ve just asked Gray, a plant molecular biologist at the University of Sheffield, which species she thinks would be the last ones standing if we don’t take transformative action on climate change. Even with our extraordinary capacity for innovation and adaptability, humans, it turns out, probably won’t be among the survivors.

    This is partly because humans reproduce agonisingly slowly and generally just one or two at a time – as do some other favourite animals, like pandas. Organisms that can produce many offspring quickly may have a better shot at avoiding extinction.
    It may seem like just a thought experiment. But discussing which species are more, or less, able to survive climate change is disturbingly concrete…
    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190730-the-animals-that-will-survive-climate-change

    Christine Ro
    CR lives in dank corners of the internet. Also, London.
    She works for the International Institute for Environment and Development. Also, herself.
    Get in touch. Or don’t! There’s far too much pressure in the world already…
    LINK to contentdaily…(includes the BBC piece, plus plenty, much of it SJW stuff, for Forbes, Vice, etc)
    https://www.christinero.com/

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    george1st:)

    Give her a sight seeing and diving boat trip for a day or a week with Peter Ridd to discover the real ‘live’ GBR .
    If this could allay her fears of its demise , it might give her a different perspective .
    Of cause , P.Ridd would have to be awarded handsomely to even participate .

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      Greg in NZ

      0.09˚C of “gut-wrenching grieving horror”??? How about 41 whole degrees of difference in one day:

      -9˚C at Cooma Airport this morning to Darwin’s expected high of 32˚C. How do you people survive!

      Or pole to pole, winter to summer: Antarctica’s -65˚C to Greenland’s -19˚C versus Iran’s high of near 50˚C

      [resulting in a mean temp for planet Earth of somewhere around 7 degrees below zero].

      Ms Gergis needs to chill out; perhaps a visit to our shores may ease her fevered fretful incoherent ramblings:

      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/396028/low-south-island-snow-a-surreal-experience

      “Snow fell to near sea level in places with temperatures plummeting overnight, dropping to -8C at Aoraki-Mt Cook… Highways were closed for much of the day, opening with warnings of snow and ice… so they weren’t able to commute to their jobs so it was very much a compulsory relax and enjoy the snow day“. Hint: relax… enjoy…

      Includes photograph of the site of our very own industrial revolution beginnings, Gabriel’s Gully gold mine, buried under 20 cm of snow. “I think everyone just gets a little bit excited more than anything when the snow’s this low over here”. Always look on the bright side of life…

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    Ve2

    Lordy, 50 per cent of the Great Barrier Reef is dead.

    Let year it was 90% dead, so it got better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6pZuAJjBa4

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      george1st:)

      Ha Ha , indeed , next year it should only be 27.5& dead .
      Unless man made CO2 induced cyclones or star fish attack it .

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    Dennis

    Yes, but can she also see CO2?

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    Penguinite

    This woman is suffering acute depression IMO! She desperately needs professional help. There is no way she should be representing Australia!

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    Maptram

    Obviously she wasn’t thinking about the climate catastrophe when the photo was taken, she isn’t weeping or suffering from “volcanically explosive rage.”
    Of course the photo could have been taken before she started suffering or it has been photo shopped.

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    Bruce J

    Seriously, some of these so-called scientists need to go back to school, even primary school, to learn what science really is. If the word “science” is used in the name of the discipline, e.g.Climate science, it can just about be guaranteed that true Science will not be involved and the “scientists” will have no idea of true scientific methodology.

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    pat

    progressive left is spinning the El Paso shooter suspect’s manifesto as far right racism:

    5 Aug: Mother Jones: The El Paso Manifesto: Where Racism and Eco-Facism Meet
    It proposed genocide as a pathway to ecological sustainability.
    by Alexander C. Kaufman
    This story was originally published by HuffPost and appears here as part of the Climate Desk collaboration.
    Titled “The Inconvenient Truth,” an allusion to Al Gore’s landmark climate change documentary, the ranting four-page document appeared on the extremist forum 8chan shortly before the shooting. Authorities have yet to confirm whether Patrick Crusius, the 21-year-old Dallas-area white man arrested in connection with the shooting that left at least 22 dead, is the author.

    “The environment is getting worse by the year,” the manifesto reads. “Most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.”

    HuffPost reviewed the document but, with consideration to the ethical concerns of broadcasting what might be a notoriety-seeking killer’s messaging, ***is not publishing a link to it…

    ***For years now, denial served as the extreme right’s de facto position on climate change. That is starting to change…

    Slashing global greenhouse gases and increasing aid to help poor countries close to the equator adapt is the obvious way to change that trajectory…
    But as planet-heating emissions continue surging and scientists’ projections grow more dire, eco-fascism is experiencing a revival in a subculture of far-right extremism online…
    https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/08/the-el-paso-manifesto-where-racism-and-eco-facism-meet/

    22 Jan 2013: UK Telegraph: David Attenborough – Humans are plague on Earth
    Humans are a plague on the Earth that need to be controlled by limiting population growth, according to Sir David Attenborough.
    “We are a plague on the Earth. It’s coming home to roost over the next 50 years or so. It’s not just climate change; it’s sheer space, places to grow food for this enormous horde. Either we limit our population growth or the natural world will do it for us, and the natural world is doing it for us right now,” he told the Radio Times…

    Sir David, who is a patron of the Population Matters, has spoken out before about the “frightening explosion in human numbers” and the need for investment in sex education and other voluntary means of limiting population in developing countries…
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/9815862/Humans-are-plague-on-Earth-Attenborough.html

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    5 Aug: E&E News: EL PASO SHOOTING
    Suspect: environmental concerns justify racist violence
    by Adam Aton
    The 21-year-old suspect in the mass shooting at an El Paso Walmart mingled environmentalism with white supremacy, saying in a manifesto that dwindling resources made racist violence “logical.”…
    It’s the latest right-wing mass shooting where the perpetrator explicitly cites the environment as motivating their racism. The El Paso suspect drew inspiration from the mass shooter in Christchurch, New Zealand, who considered himself an “eco-fascist” and called immigration “environmental warfare”…
    The manifesto lists environmental concerns, including degradation of “water sheds” from oil and agricultural operations, to inadequate recycling for plastic and electronic waste…

    The environment has only recently become prominent in some shooters’ manifestos, said Gary LaFree, a University of Maryland professor and former director of the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism…
    “They’re building an ideology out. They’re providing somewhat different versions — you notice they’re referring to each other … which to me makes it scarier. It’s more like a social movement than just a one-off attack,” he said.
    https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060857195

    again, refer to David Attenborough.

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    David Maddison

    Liberals (US meaning) and Leftists are governed only by feelings, irrationality and personal greed while conservatives are mostly governed by facts, logic, common decency and morality.

    There’s a good reason I don’t associate with Leftists.

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    David Maddison

    I think that for the first time in the history of science so-called (self-described) “scientists” need to be judged on whether they are advocating actual science or the views of their political controllers and patrons.

    We need a second term to describe those pretend scientists who advocate political opinions disguised as science rather than actual science.

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      Kinky Keith

      David, I believe that here in Australia it is possible to get a university qualification in “Science Communication”.
      Post grad?

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        Gee aye

        the owner of this blog is a graduate

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          AndyG55

          IIRC, Jo has a Bachelor of Science degree in microbiology.

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            AndyG55

            …. and she continues to learn, unlike others *who have put by barriers against reality and any real learning or actual science.

            *That would be you, GA, !!

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            Gee aye

            which is relevant in what way?

            She is a graduate of the Science Communication course at the ANU. That helped get her to get science comm jobs with Questacon Science circus, with the ABC and as a TV presenter for which she changed her name from Codling to Nova.

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            Gee aye

            my reply to this irrelevance is in moderation. In the meantime why don’t you google her biography

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              AndyG55

              your replies are always irrelevant, GA.

              I have looked at her biography.

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                Gee aye

                So you saw the bit about completing that course and the science circus? If so what was the relevance of other degrees?

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                el gordo

                Do you think Jo is still a lukewarmer?

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                AndyG55

                “If so what was the relevance of other degrees?”

                Seriously.!! ??

                You really have stopped learning, haven’t you GA !

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                AndyG55

                “Do you think Jo is still a lukewarmer?”

                You can be a “science communicator” without being a “lukewarmer”.

                Just depends on how truthful you want your communication to be.

                “Science communication” should be about FACT, not propaganda.

                Getting through an ANU course and still being resistant to climate propaganda is a major achievement showing great strength of mind.

                Well done Jo. !!

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                Kinky Keith

                “Well done Jo. !!”

                Well done Andy.

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                el gordo

                Yep, three cheers for the editor.

                ‘You can be a “science communicator” without being a “lukewarmer”.

                Judith Curry is on top of the lukewarm ladder, but I have little time for her sentiment and prefer the robust debate in comments.

                By comparison Jo is running this terrific satirical blog and her earlier involvement in children’s education will be a real boon in reeducating the masses through humour.

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              AndyG55

              Perhaps you should take the course GA, you have stopped learning.

              Also your science communication skills are abysmal, mainly because you lack relevant science.

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      “We need a second term to describe those pretend scientists who advocate political opinions disguised as science rather than actual science.”

      1. Fake quote mark “scientists”
      2. Unskeptical scientists.
      3. Activist scientists.
      4. science-publicists.

      Yes, I did both molecular biology/micro/biochem for a BSc and Hons at UWA. I also was one of the first students at the ANU science communication program. I was an assoc lecturer in the early days of the Grad Dip. I wish I knew then what I know now. I could have raised standards.

      Rather than “surviving” with a skeptical mind. Those were my peak-green years. I learnt years after I left what the scientific method was really all about. That’s the shame — neither UWA or ANU taught me logic and reason, nor how to distinguish science from a religion.

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    pat

    11 Nov 2016: ScienceAlert: David Attenborough Has an Important Warning About Human Population
    by JOSH HRALA
    If you don’t know who Sir David Attenborough is, you know his voice. He’s the man that has – over his 90 years of life – presented just about every awesome nature documentary out there, with his latest work being BBC’s Planet Earth II.
    When he isn’t walking us through some of the most remote places on this planet, he’s working with conservation organisations to keep the planet fit for future generations, and one his most outspoken and controversial views is on population.

    The idea is that we humans need to start limiting our population growth, because we are becoming a ‘plague’ on our own planet, and soon we’ll be incapable of feeding or housing ourselves.
    “We are a plague on Earth. It’s coming home to roost over the next 50 years or so. It’s not just climate change; it’s sheer space, places to grow food for this enormous horde,” Attenborough told Radio Times back in 2013…
    Attenborough is also a supporter of the UK-based charity Population Matters, which advocates for sustainable population growth to keep the environment – and the people who live in it – healthy for the future…

    “The only straw of comfort or of hope, and even that is pretty fragile, is that wherever women are given political control of their bodies, where they have the vote, education, appropriate medical facilities and they can read and have rights and so on, the birth rate falls, there’s no exceptions to that,” Attenborough told Christopher Hooton at The Independent…
    “There are still quite a lot of parts of the world where those things don’t apply, so those of us who live in the parts where they do apply ought to help the others to have that possibility.”

    Attenborough doesn’t shy away from adding a bit more controversy to an already difficult issue by saying that famine-stricken countries like Ethiopia have a population problem that is contributing to famine.
    “We keep putting on programmes about famine in Ethiopia; that’s what’s happening. Too many people there,” he told The Telegraph.
    “They can’t support themselves – and it’s not an inhuman thing to say. It’s the case. Until humanity manages to sort itself out and get a coordinated view about the planet, it’s going to get worse and worse.”

    It’s not clear what his plan for the future would entail in developing countries, but his message is simple: humans need to chill out a bit because it’s getting crowded here…
    https://www.sciencealert.com/the-time-david-attenborough-said-humans-are-a-plague

    1 Nov 2014: The Atlantic: The Climate-Change Solution No One Will Talk About
    Studies have shown that improved access to birth control can be a valuable tool in slowing global warming, but many politicians are afraid to broach the subject.
    by Jason Plautz and National Journal
    Why? Talking about population control requires walking a tightrope: There’s nuance between encouraging access to birth control and a China-style one-child policy, but that doesn’t always translate in the retelling, and it can all too easily sound like a developed world leader telling people in the developing world that they should stop having children—especially because much of the population boom is coming from regions like sub-Saharan Africa.

    And there’s a coalition of critics ready to pounce on any speaker who slips, or even to twist the words of those who don’t.
    Just look at what happened to Hillary Clinton in 2009, when as Secretary of State she acknowledged the overpopulation issue during a discussion with Indian environment minister Jairam Ramesh. Clinton praised another panelist for noting “that it’s rather odd to talk about climate change and what we must do to stop and prevent the ill effects without talking about population and family planning.”…

    Right-wing critics pounced, with the Alex Jones-run Info Wars calling her comments “Malthusian.”…

    The U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has noted the burden of “population pressures” on natural resources, while separately looking at the health impact of family planning. Some national climate-adaptation plans around the world have brushed on family planning.
    A study from the Futures Group said it would cost $3.7 billion a year to provide such services to countries that don’t yet have them…

    A 2010 study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences looked at the link between policies that help women plan pregnancies and family size and global emissions (the study also looked at aging and urbanization trends). The researchers predicted that lower population growth could provide benefits equivalent to between 16 and 29 percent of the emissions reduction needed to avoid a 2 degrees Celsius warming by 2050, the warning line set by international scientists…

    A study published this month from two researchers at Australia’s University of Adelaide also cast doubt on whether population control could even stem growth, projecting that even drastic measures like a one-child policy would result in a population between 5 and 10 billion by century’s end…

    But the members of the Woodrow Wilson Center working group—which includes members from the WorldWatch Institute and USAID, as well as climate scientists—say their work can make waves, especially as world leaders prepare to meet for the U.N. climate summit in Paris next year. With countries already engaged on family planning, they say it’s just a small leap to tie environmental concerns together…
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-climate-change-solution-no-one-will-talk-about/382197/

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    11 May 2017: Heartland: Research & Commentary: Climate Change Is Not a Valid Argument for Population Control
    By Tim Benson
    Taking Coercive Measures To Bring Down Global Population A Mainstream Idea In The World Of Climate Alarmism
    Over the past few years, outlets such as NPR, The Atlantic Monthly, The Huffington Post, and The Guardian have written articles with headlines like “Should We Be Having Kids in the Age of Climate Change?,” “The Climate Change Solution No One Will Talk About,” “Voluntary Birth Control Is a Climate Change Solution Nobody Wants to Talk About,” and “Though Climate Change is a Crisis, the Population Threat is Even Worse.”

    The NPR story highlights a 2016 paper by philosophers and bioethicists at Georgetown University and Johns Hopkins University, titled Population Engineering and the Fight against Climate Change, which argues in favor of penalizing families for having children via a progressive tax that would increase with each child.

    In his new Netflix series, Bill Nye Saves the World, the show’s eponymous host asked a group of panelists, “So, should we have policies that penalize people for having extra kids in the developed world?”…

    A Long History of False Predictions of Doom
    Doomsday predictions about overpopulation stretch back to Thomas Malthus’ 1798 book, An Essay on the Principle of Population…READ ON
    https://www.heartland.org/publications-resources/publications/research–commentary-climate-change-is-not-a-valid-argument-for-population-control

    11 Feb: WUWT: Was climate change alarmism always about fears of overpopulation?
    by Pierre Desrochers and Joanna Szurmak
    [Note: The following text is adapted from the authors’ recently published book Population Bombed! Exploding the Link Between Overpopulation and Climate Change in which the validity of the belief in the inherent unsustainability of economic growth is challenged more thoroughly.]
    Numerous population control advocates have linked anthropogenic climate change to population growth, or tried to revive interest in invoking anthropogenic climate change as the key negative outcome of continued economic growth linked to, foremost among causes, an increasing population. One pioneer of establishing and cultivating population growth – anthropogenic climate change linkage was the “Population Bomber” himself, Paul Ehrlich, who during a conference in 1968 identified anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions as a “serious limiting factor” to economic growth. By the 1970s, Ehrlich, his wife Anne and his collaborator John Holdren raised fears that carbon dioxide “produced by combustion of fossil fuels in quantities too large to contain” may “already be influencing climate” and, as such, constituted one of the “gravest threats to human well-being. . . [i.e.] the loss of natural services now provided by biogeochemical processes.”…

    We argue that no specific trigger events were necessary to spark the anxieties of these activists as they already espoused a neo-Malthusian eco-catastrophist mindset that is part of a wider pessimist perspective…

    It is indeed remarkably easy to find influential climate bureaucrats and scientists who will either admit this much or else acknowledge their neo-Malthusian pessimist stance rooted in enforcing limits to human (population) growth.
    Maurice Strong (1929–2015), who was described by business journalist Peter Foster as “[m]ore than any other individual. . . responsible for promoting the [UN] climate agenda,” is the most obvious case in point. Strong first achieved some degree of notoriety in Canada as young deputy minister – a high-ranking civil servant – when he ended up on the record by stating that “with a growing global population, we will have to recognise that having children is not just a personal issue but a societal issue and at a certain point we may be faced with a need to have a permit to have a child.” He also referred to the need for “national population policies” in his opening speech at the 1972 Stockholm Conference. Strong reportedly stated the following Malthusian prediction at the 1992 Earth Summit: “Either we reduce the world’s population voluntarily or nature will do this for us, but brutally.”…

    Professor Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, the director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and an adviser to the encyclical Laudato Si, has long been on the record as estimating the carrying capacity of the planet at “below 1 billion people.”…
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/11/was-climate-change-alarmism-always-about-fears-of-overpopulation/

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      Graeme#4

      I have noticed that many climate skeptics generating comments in The Australian also share this view, so I think that it’s not only climate alarmists who believe this.

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      theRealUniverse

      ‘ Climate Change Is Not a Valid Argument for Population Control’ Maybe to some people BUT that was the agenda of Rio and earlier M Strong arguments as documented statements (see/search Eco-f r @ u d). The real intent was to de-populate the earth to save it.

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    Kinky Keith

    The debate about the treatment of the commenter “PF” hots up and is embarrassingly ignored by most.

    At #14 it rises again in a post that offers some contrast for consideration.

    From the brief history given and from comments that have added more detail there are two things that stand out.

    First Joelle Gergis seems to be looking for a place in life and has mistaken the religion of Climate Change as a suitable home.

    This thread has had no qualms about exposing that side of her decisions that are baseless and histrionic.
    In some sense I feel guilty about the rubishing she has copped and see her as another victim of the situation.
    She’s going to be in a real mess when it all collapses and from the comments about renewables by people like Terry McCrann it’s not far off.

    The exposure given to her can be justified by the fact that she chose the path she’s on rather than find more meaningful work.

    She “believes” in what she’s doing.

    PF on the other hand has no such vulnerability, he’s very deliberate in his actions and must be wondering how he gets away with IT.

    So am I.

    KK

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      PeterW

      KK..

      It may not be the most mature reaction, but there is a strong temptation to treat both the lamentable Gergis and PF with the same level of respect that they offer to us.

      Let’s be clear, dishonesty and manipulation are deeply disrespectful. At best, they are based on the assumption that the hearers will not be persuaded through reasonable and factual argument…. and sliding down the sides of the pit, they descend into just not caring.

      I agree that debating is something of a spectator sport and that we should be mindful of how are postings are received by non-participants….. but there are also such things as consequences. Scorn and ridicule seem entirely appropriate consequences for those who persist in dishonesty and childishness, surely.

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        Kinky Keith

        Yes, I guess she is getting what she deserves. She hasn’t given much thought or effort to understanding the topic she claims to be expert in and is quite prepared to take substantial rewards from the public purse without even a thank you.

        KK

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      AndyG55

      I agree completely.

      PF is a single minded TROLL, who’s only intent is to disrupt.

      Shows absolutely ZERO intent of ever facing reality, or real science,

      and is constantly making comments that he KNOWS have zero substance in science.

      His ONLY intent is attention-seeking trolling.

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      el gordo

      ‘… he’s very deliberate in his actions ….’

      Mr Fitz is a global warming zealot trying to defend the indefensible.

      I’m doing a straw poll, do you believe CO2 causes a little bit of warming?

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      James Murphy

      Joelle Gergis is no victim, she’s a perpetrator and willing participant in something not worthy of the title ‘science’. She deserves the respect that any human deserves, but her ideas and publications should be challenged early and often.

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        AndyG55

        No, she is using over-emotional rhetoric to try to force her anti-science agenda onto others.

        That DOES NOT deserve respect as a scientist OR AS A PERSON. !

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        el gordo

        Gergis once produced some worthwhile science.

        ‘The similarities of the La Niña event capture noted in the pre-instrumental period for the three and four proxy replication thresholds is a result of the prolonged cool event from A.D. 1863–1875 being split into three separate events (A.D. 1863–1864, 1866–1868, 1870– 1875) using the four proxy threshold.’

        Gergis and Fowler 2008

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    David Maddison

    Climate “scientists” get away with junk science because their primary audience is clueless and uneducated and many of them also have access to vast taxpayer funds to give away.

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    Greebo

    Increasingly after my speaking events, I catch myself unexpectedly weeping in my hotel room or on flights home.

    Spontaneous, unexpected weeping happens to me too. It’s called grief, Joelle. You can get counselling for it, which is something I highly recommend.

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      David Maddison

      This is symptomatic of the pseudobulbar affect.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudobulbar_affect

      Pseudobulbar affect (PBA), or emotional incontinence, is a type of emotional disturbance characterized by uncontrollable episodes of crying and/or laughing, or other emotional displays. PBA occurs secondary to a neurologic disorder or brain injury. Patients may find themselves crying uncontrollably at something that is only moderately sad, being unable to stop themselves for several minutes. Episodes may also be mood-incongruent: a patient may laugh uncontrollably when angry or frustrated, for example. Sometimes, the episodes may switch between emotional states, resulting in the patient crying uncontrollably before dissolving into fits of laughter.

      Pseudobulbar affect
      Other names
      Emotional incontinence
      Specialty
      Psychiatry, neurology
      The pseudobulbar affect, also referred to as emotional lability, should not be confused with labile mood or labile emotions that stem from emotional instability – affective dysregulation – commonly seen in personality disorders, such as borderline personality disorder.[1]

      Signs and symptoms
      The cardinal feature of the disorder is a pathologically lowered threshold for exhibiting the behavioral response of laughter, crying, or both. An affected individual exhibits episodes of laughter and/or crying without an apparent motivating stimulus or in response to stimuli that would not have elicited such an emotional response before the onset of their underlying neurologic disorder. In some patients, the emotional response is exaggerated in intensity but is provoked by a stimulus with an emotional valence congruent with the character of the emotional display. For example, a sad stimulus provokes a pathologically exaggerated weeping response instead of a sigh, which the patient normally would have exhibited in that particular instance.

      However, in some other patients, the character of the emotional display can be incongruent with, and even contradictory to, the emotional valence of the provoking stimulus or may be incited by a stimulus with no clear valence. For example, a patient may laugh in response to sad news or cry in response to stimuli with no emotional undertone, or, once provoked, the episodes may switch from laughing to crying or vice versa.[2]

      The symptoms of PBA can be severe, with persistent and unremitting episodes.[3] Characteristics include:

      The onset can be sudden and unpredictable, and has been described by some patients as coming on like a seizure;
      The outbursts have a typical duration of a few seconds to several minutes; and,
      The outbursts may happen several times a day.
      Many people with neurologic disorders exhibit uncontrollable episodes of laughing, crying, or both that are either exaggerated or contradictory to the context in which they occur. Where patients have significant cognitive deficits (e.g., Alzheimer’s) it can be unclear whether it is true PBA as opposed to a grosser form of emotional dysregulation, but patients with intact cognition often report the symptom as disturbing. Patients report that their episodes are at best only partially amenable to voluntary control, and unless they experience a severe change of mental status, they often have insight into their problem and judge their emotional display as inappropriate and out of character. The clinical effect of PBA can be severe, with unremitting and persistent symptoms that can be disabling to patients, and may significantly affect quality of life for caregivers.

      See link for full article.

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      Another Ian

      “lachrymotive force”?

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    pat

    video shot from low angle so you can’t see number of protesters. around 34secs in guess you can see about a hundred. XR get all the talk:

    6 Aug: ABC: Extinction Rebellion protesters arrested after blocking roads and creating chaos in Brisbane
    Updated 19 minutes ago
    More than 20 climate activists have been arrested during planned protests that are causing major traffic disruptions in Brisbane’s CBD.
    Video: 58secs: Extinction Rebellion protester arrested after blocking lanes in Brisbane CBD (ABC News)
    “We declare it our duty to act on behalf of our children … we declare ourselves in rebellion against our government,” one protester chanted to the crowd…
    Extinction Rebellion spokesperson Tom Howell told the ABC it was a citizen’s duty to rebel.
    “We cannot be ignored,” he said.
    “People are uncomfortable with disrupting other people’s lives but it is the best option we have left to get people talking about the climate emergency, to get the Government responding to it and to kind of make the economy pay attention to it because if people can’t go to work then the economy can suffer.
    “Every other form of dissidence has failed.
    “We’ve had our petitions, we’ve had marches, the Government is not representing the people.”…

    ‘You should be ashamed of yourselves’
    Brisbane Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner was heckled and interrupted by the activists when he tried to hold a press conference in the city this morning.
    “I think you should be ashamed of yourselves,” the Lord Mayor told members of Extinction Rebellion.
    The protesters repeatedly shouted “shame on you” over the top of him, before the press conference was moved inside.
    “The Lord Mayor has run away from citizens who care about climate change,” former Greens lord mayoral candidate Ben Pennings told the media…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-06/extinction-rebellion-protest-brisbane-cbd/11384442

    almost as bad. not interested in members of those being inconvenienced. read the final paras, not excerpted:

    6 Aug: news.com.au: Traffic chaos as climate activists gather in Brisbane
    Climate activists who shut down Brisbane’s CBD wanted to block the city’s roads for seven hours, but cops have started dragging them away.
    by Ben Graham
    Up to 27 climate change protesters have been arrested as activists shut down Brisbane’s CBD this morning…
    The group expects hundreds of protesters will join them outside 1 William Street, the state government’s HQ, and carry out “mass civil disobedience”. The disruption is understood to continue for seven hours.

    The Courier Mail reports that the activists are encouraging families to involve their children in the protests by giving them to chalk to graffiti Brisbane’s roads and footpaths with climate change messages.
    “I’ve bought a whole pile of chalk and definitely the main encouragement from the main group was they would love to have the kids chalking, and then it’s still on the street the next day,’’ an organiser said in a hook-up yesterday.
    “The issue with it is that it is technically illegal in Queensland right now. They’ve included chalking with spray paint.”

    Nurse Daniel Young, who is one of 48 people already arrested in the lead up to Rebellion Day, condemns the way the government is treating climate policy.
    “If the climate was one of my patients — and I was ignoring all the warning signs and just waiting for them to deteriorate — I would be charged with criminal negligence,” he said…
    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/traffic-chaos-looms-as-climate-activists-gather-in-brisbane/news-story/b0b21610724c1c392e7f894530b52489

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      Kinky Keith

      Our nation has sunk to tragic levels.

      If only these people had something real to grapple with.

      Like jobs.

      KK

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      AndyG55

      The BIG QUESTION is, “Why did it take 7 hours before they started dragging then away”

      Response should have been IMMEDIATE.

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        toorightmate

        Because we have the most inept government imaginable in Queensland.
        The Qld Police will only do what the Palace Chick tells them to do.
        How the hell do you get a permit to block traffic on public roads???

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      James Murphy

      Meanwhile in Hong Kong…

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    Asp

    Fair go. If she has in fact traversed the long journey from ‘dole to global role’, and does not want to return to the former, she needs to sing for her supper.

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    pat

    ex-Fairfax, now 9 Entertainment, Brisbane Times is running live blog, with 3 authors:

    6 Aug: BrisbaneTimes: Climate change activists protest in the Brisbane CBD
    The activists who glued themselves to roads, blocked city intersections and put a canoe on the Victoria Bridge are vowing to “immobilise” the heart of Brisbane on their “rebellion day”.
    By Toby Crockford, Danielle Cronin and Cameron Atfield

    10.50am
    Drivers frustrated and understanding
    By Toby Crockford
    Commuters stuck in congestion at the junction of William and Margaret streets for more than half-an-hour during the Tuesday morning peak were both frustrated and understanding.
    Motorist Jenna Wilson said she was only two streets away from her work on Mary Street when the police closed the intersection.
    “I agree with what they [activists] are actually standing for. Obviously, it sucks to get stuck in traffic, but I’d rather they say something about it [climate change] than the government just ignored it,” she said.
    “They are making a point, I’m not sure if it is getting far enough, but it’s at least putting it out there and starting a conversation.”…
    Motorcyclist Lisa Sellers works at 1 William Street and was so close to her office in the state government’s tower of power she could walk to work…
    “I don’t support this [intersection blockade], I understand what they are doing and why they are doing it, but surely there has got to be a better way?”

    10.14am
    French documentary maker Hugo Clement on the scene
    By Toby Crockford
    High-profile French documentary maker Hugo Clement, who was arrested last month while covering a protest outside Abbot Point coal terminal in north Queensland, was at the rebellion day demonstrations.
    On Tuesday, Mr Clement said he was once again “doing his job” and importantly, “not blocking the road”.
    “I think this will become a big issue in France because coal is a big issue not only for Australia, but for all of the planet, so I think a lot of people in France will be interested in this,” he said…

    9.57am Protester visibly trembling during arrest
    By Toby Crockford
    Another arrested Extinction Rebellion activist, ***identified only as Shane, was almost in tears as he pleaded for some understanding from police officers.
    “What about the farmers who are trying to provide us with food to eat, trying to grow food for our nation?” he said while visibly trembling.
    “We can’t grow food without water, we can’t grow food without maintaining a safe and stable climate. We can’t look after our families. Why don’t they understand that? We’re here to protect our communities.
    “I used to work for the state government, I went to one of the most prestigious schools in the state and I went back and taught there.
    “The reason I became a teacher was to look after young people, it is the same reason why I had to leave and come here.”…
    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/climate-change-activists-protest-in-the-brisbane-cbd-20190806-p52e6z.html

    ***identified only as Shane? really. serial activist Shane Primrose and you don’t know that Crockford?

    ‘This is about humanity’: Inside a protest camp in the heart of coal country
    ABC Local – 27 Jul 2019
    This small bush block has become home to a transient group of anti-coal activists who live together, cook together and have team meetings, while occasionally leaving their safe haven to tie themselves to rail lines, disrupt coal transportation and get in trouble with the law.
    Photo: ***Shane Primrose left his job as a teacher to protest over the Adani coal mine…

    Adani: Thousands turn out across Australia to protest against Carmichael coal mine
    ABC Online – 7 Oct 2017
    The ABC’s Four Corners program on Monday revealed alleged cases of bribery, corruption and environmentally destructive behaviour by the Adani Group in India…
    “We know how important this is and we know there’s a growing movement and more and more people are realising how desperately we need this to stop,” said ***Shane Primrose of the Stop Adani Gold Coast group…

    Students raise their voices on climate change inaction
    Clarence Valley News – 20 May 2019
    Adult organiser ***Shane Primrose said he “really didn’t have too much to do with this [protest], as the students really picked it up, ran with it [and] organised it for themselves”.
    “I just helped them out with a few formalities like gaining council approvals,” he said…

    Student strike ignites local debate
    Daily Examiner – 28 Nov 2018
    School Strike 4 Climate Action organiser ***Shane Primrose said…

    Facebook: About Shane Primrose
    Whitsundays: Current city
    Other: Earth To Life – Eco Store, Extinction Rebellion Australia…Extinction Rebellion Northern Sydney, Stop Adani Everton Hills, Extinction Rebellion Mackay & Whitsundays…Friends of the Galilee Basin, Extinction Rebellion Gold Coast…The Green Wall, Future Voices, Senator Jordon Steele-John, Nautical Stars…Extinction Rebellion NSW, Knittingnannaswhitsundays…Bob Brown Foundation, Reef Action Whitsunday… Grey Power Climate Protectors, Cairns Climate Action Network – CCAN, Extinction Rebellion Northern Rivers, Eco Villages Australia, Extreme Weather, Fridaysforfuture, Uni Students for Climate Justice…Clarence Valley School Strike 4 Climate…PLUS SCORES MORE
    https://www.facebook.com/shane.levi10

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      Maptram

      A great way to protest against CO2 going into the atmosphere, block a city and have vehicles not moving, using fuel, producing CO2 and CO.

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      theRealUniverse

      ‘French documentary maker Hugo Clement on the scene..’ = Agent provocateur! Turns up on ALL the protests..just happens to follow all of them.
      These idiot eco fascist maniacs are manipulated by the like of Soros etc. to cause as much mayhem as possible..similar to other things going on around the planet..

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    Zane

    Maybe she got sunstroke whilst researching Sunburnt Country. It can lead to major hallucinations…

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    Maptram

    Reminds me of the old expression “a person gets promoted one level above their level of competence.” I’m not saying that applies in this case, it just reminds me of the expression. Perhaps in this case several levels would be more appropriate

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      RicDre

      Ah, the Peter Principle: “In a hierarchy, people tend to rise to their level of incompetence”. I think I still have a copy of Laurence J. Peter’s book “The Peter Principle” somewhere along with his follow up book “The Peter Prescription” which discussed ways of avoiding getting trapped by the Peter Principle. I don’t know if it applies in her case but it wouldn’t hurt for her to read these two books. You never know, they might help her get a handle on why her current job leads to “volcanically explosive rage” and “unexpectedly weeping”.

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    mick Dundee

    I catch myself unexpectedly weeping in my hotel room or on flights home.

    Really on the FLIGHT HOME!! Seriously! She flies in horrible planet killing, CO2 spewing aeroplanes!

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    Another Ian

    Diagonally opposite

    “Dr Ridd will start a Queensland speaking tour in Bundaberg on Monday 12th August, providing expert evidence that further regulations to protect the Reef are not needed. The lecture is titled: “How reliable is the science demonstrating damage to the Great Barrier Reef? The need for better quality control”. We will put up further dates and places as they become available. The cost is free but tickets are required. Booking essential”

    Via Property Rights

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    Another Ian

    How do you reckon Joelle would go?

    “Incremental Green New Deal – A Modest Suggestion”

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2019/08/06/incremental-green-new-deal-a-modest-suggestion/

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    theRealUniverse

    NASA admits Greenland glacier increasing ice mass and cooling..
    https://www.iceagenow.info/greenland-glacier-thickening/

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      RicDre

      You have to like a NASA mission that is abbreviated as OMG (Oceans Melting Greenland) that finds that the Jakobshavn Glacier does not necessarily conform to the theory of Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Climate Change. It proves that NASA does have a sense of humor.

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    Our very own Greta, a little older but just as deluded.

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    Karabar

    This video has just been sent to Dan Tehan and other ministers.
    What are your thoughts? I’m pretty sure the Dr. David Evans will recognise the name Dr. Judy Ryan.

    Dear Ministers, Teachers and Students,

    The link shown below takes you to a short eight minute video of an experiment that proves that CO2 does not warm the atmosphere. Therefore, it cannot cause global warming. You can conduct this experiment in your own school’s science laboratory.

    Please, do yourselves a favour and check out this real science. Then you will no longer be fooled by the politically driven pseudoscience.

    Please, feel free to add your comment below the experiment.

    Respectively Yours

    Dr Judy Ryan
    Editor Principia Scientific Institution
    Australia

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      theRealUniverse

      Excellent! Will she get a reply?…Id guess nope

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      AndyG55

      What it shows is what has been known for a long time.

      That convection and conduction RULE in the lower atmosphere.

      If CO2 “anything*” cannot affect convective uplift…

      Then it can’t cause any global warming.

      Strike a match, light a bushfire, any warming escapes very quickly.

      Any possible piddlingly small warming from evil CO2.. no effect whatsoever.

      Convection rules. !

      Basic Physics.

      * blanket-like trapping, mythical back-radiation, whatever……

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        theRealUniverse

        Andy theres another thing. CO2 is supposed to alter the lapse rate. There is NO change in the lapse rate with increased CO2. QED. THeres NO constituent gas or any other thing related to ‘trapped energy’ in the lapse rate equations it is based on the gas laws.

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      Gee aye

      I’m sure the Dr Evans is very excited by this.

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    joseph

    Somewhat OT . . . .

    From The Advertiser in South Australia:

    “MID NORTH ENERGY FARM GETS GO-AHEAD”

    “Renewable power will be available anytime – whether or not the wind is blowing or the sun is shining – at a $500m project in SA’s Mid North.
    The French investment has been approved although not all local residents are happy.”

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      Bill in Oz

      40 odd objections from locals !
      And these wind towers will stand over 200 meters tall..
      More birds, bats etc for the whirling guillotines !

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    Dr. Colin Barton

    I feel sadness and great sympathy for Dr.Joella Gergis but with mentors like Profs. Karoly and Flannery what more can be expected.
    True scientific methodology has been trashed by group-think consensus.
    As a somewhat well academically qualified person, I am horrified at the politicisation and bad science being displayed here as “truth”.
    Ultimately, as the climate issue unfolds, the hard won reputation of science is due to be inevitably tarnished.

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      Michael Spencer

      Yes! This is prime case of quasi-religious mania that’s developed over time.

      Logic and/or nasty facts count no longer. It’s now The Mission to “Save the Planet” from “Anthropogenic Global Cooling – Oops! – now Warming/Climate Change/Disruption/’Weirdness’/Crisis/Emergency/Whatever-is-today’s-politically-correct-name-for-it!”

      The High Priests have spoken!

      Perhaps this will redeem us?: https://vimeo.com/349238974

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    StephenP

    When ordering a repeat prescription today, there are a number of articles covering various ailments and what one can do to mitigate them.
    One of the latest was ‘ how to cope with climate anxiety ‘ that was reasonably balanced, but also contained a link to an extraordinary academic paper from Jem Bendell of the University of Cumbria that has gone viral and led to some serious problems with people making drastic life changes as a result.
    http://www.lifeworth.com/deepadaption.pdf
    An interesting but depressing read.

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      StephenP

      The link doesn’t seem to work. Google ‘lifeworth deep adaption’ seems to do the trick.

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      RicDre

      “[Deep Adaptation] An interesting but depressing read.”

      It is an ironic read too given that they assume that Climate Change will lead to an inevitable near term social collapse when it seems more likely that the recommended methods for dealing with Climate Change will lead to an inevitable near term social collapse.

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        AndyG55

        Mills and Boon are a far better read !!

        A BA, Pooofessor of “Sustainability Leadership”* dabbling in anti-science sci-fant.

        * WTH is that !!!

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    Zane

    Unfortunately the public service and academia are full of fools.

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    KenS

    Joelle has been forced to stare into the face of the human condition and the inevitability of death. I don’t know if she has had to deal with this without the insights, faith and hope offered by religion, but if that is the case it might explain the rage.

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    Fred Streeter

    Now don’t go finding excuses for her.

    It is possible for nonbelievers to “stare into the face of the human condition and the inevitability of death” without “the insights, faith and hope offered by religion”.

    My own experience is that it induced acceptance, rather than rage.

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    Peter

    Greta is not going to be happy with someone trying to take her mantle.

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    Peter

    Greta is not going to be happy with someone trying to take her mantle.

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