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Coral reef totally recovers (for 400th time) and researchers surprised

CoralsIf only coral researchers read skeptic blogs, they’d know that corals have been getting bleached and wrecked by cyclones for millions of years. They have adaptable genes, honed by 500 million years of natural selection, plus epigenetic tricks, and with safe zones to seed recovery. The Great Barrier Reef spans 2,000 kilometers and five degrees Celsius from 27 to 32°C and we’re still finding reefs we didn’t even know about. The pH swings on a daily basis, and fish do better when it does. One coral has adapted to ocean “acidification” in 6 months. Other fish remarkably adapted from salt to freshwater in just fifty years. As Peter Ridd says: Of all the ecosystems in the world, the reef is one that’s best at adapting to climate change.

So once again, corals have recovered — and yet the “experts” who wear their dogma covered glasses didn’t see it coming.

‘Teeming with life’: New hope for the Great Barrier Reef as island shows remarkable coral growth

By Melissa Martin and Erin Semmler, ABC

One Tree Island was lashed by Cyclone Hamish in 2009, destroying much of the island’s coral.

In the five years following the cyclone, no metabolic recovery was detected on the reef and by 2014 calcification of the coral had declined by 75 per cent.

But things changed dramatically between 2014 and 2017, when Ms Davis and her team at the National Marine Science Centre found the coral system calcification increased four-fold.

“We found that the coral ecosystem has completely recovered from this cyclone event after eight years,” Ms Davis said.

 Commenter Pat points out that the Brisbane Times picked this up a week before the ABC.

In other news, environmentalists are doing their best to destroy tourism:

She said tourists are more worried about the reef than previously because of the way it is portrayed in the media.

“Questions I get asked everyday, they say, ‘so is the reef dead? Is this bleached here?’” she said.

Things the ABC BBC and CBC might forget to tell you about coral reefs:

All posts on Reefs, Corals, and the Great Barrier Reef

REFERENCE

Frontiers in Marine Science open-source journal

h/t George, David, Pat

Image: Wikimedia, author Wise Hok Wai Lum: Flynn Reef 2014.

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166 comments to Coral reef totally recovers (for 400th time) and researchers surprised

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    Bill in Oz

    Sacked professor Peter Ridd has been saying this for years !
    JCU, give him back his job
    And sack the village idiots who arranged Ridd’s sacking
    For undermining heir own lucrative big earners
    By showing that corals in the GBR
    Recover from bleaching
    And have been doing it for thousands of years.

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      Geoff

      Place money on top of University. Coral approves and suddenly regrows. Simple. Coral can “see” money and cares about JCU. Take away money and coral dies.

      Its a fact that money drives the climate. Without money we will have a run-away climate catastrophe.

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        Lionell Griffith

        Without the money stolen from those who created it, the catastrophe would be that the climate alarmists would have to get real jobs and actually EARN the wealth they are given. Like all parasites, they object to their enslaved hosts working to eliminate them.

        The climate alarmists have no more moral right nor scientific justification for what they are doing than a common back ally thug who takes your money by force. On the other hand, we have both the moral right and scientific justification to eliminate them with extreme prejudice. They and we have all but run out of peaceful options.

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          On moral relativism a cool distinction btw freedom from ‘n freedom to…
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5BXyvMU80Q

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            Lionell Griffith

            BS!

            It is an absolute that you are alive or dead. To become dead, one need do nothing and that state will soon be achieved. After which no action on your part is possible. To live requires, absolutely, that you act in such a way so as to stay alive. Such acts are not arbitrary nor whimsical. The actions must be consistent with the kind of entity you in fact are and be consistent, in fact, with the environment in which you are to live. To act counter to that is to act counter to your ability to sustain your life. To act consistently counter to your life, is to hasten the day of its ending.

            This, I contend, sets an objective foundation for how one must act individually and collectively if you choose to live. As I said, if you don’t choose to live, do nothing and your choice will be fulfilled and you become morally irrelevant. Only if you choose to live, will it be necessary to act such that the actions support will support staying alive. Acting that way is the essence of being moral.

            There is a massive amount of necessary detail to be discovered and discussed that descend from the choice to remain alive. Such detail has many optional items but much of it is not optional. None of it is dependent upon whim but only on the facts of reality which can be objectively determined.

            To presume, as Kant et.al. have done, that reality cannot be known is to destroy the foundation of rational thought. It is an attempt to play it deuces wild which each individual defining what is without reference to what actually is. Or by an even worse alternative, depend upon the next person’s thinking who himself is depending upon the next person continuing until the last person is depending upon what you think.

            A summation of zeros is zero no matter how many zeros you sum. THIS is the basic meaning of morality is relative. Such thinking is nothing but a complicated and very painful path to death. See the ultimate end of any collectivist society, either totalitarian or democratic, for instructive cases in point.

            As I said, that you are alive or dead is an absolute! Staying alive is the challenge.

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              Kinky Keith

              HI Lionel,
              That’s a good framework to begin discussion on the current collective bind that humanity is in.

              Useful, and necessary that the public is drawn to this discussion.

              “Or by an even worse alternative, depend upon the next person’s thinking who himself is depending upon the next person continuing until the last person is depending upon what you think”.

              People seem frightened to act in their own interests because they’ve been conditioned to defer to the “group” position on things.

              http://joannenova.com.au/2019/06/weekend-unthreaded-266/#comment-2155946

              We are enslaved and we must free ourselves.

              KK

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          Kinky Keith

          Lionel,

          Fantastic!!

          Condensed, intense, real, biting, uncluttered.

          The opening line gets us ready;

          “Without the money stolen from those who created it, ”

          As I said in a recent post, I resent the fact that I have to go to work two weeks a year minimum to replace the money stolen by the Govermental, U.N., EEU, IPCCCCC, MALEX444, Social Justice Equity for all, Military Industrial complex.

          There are too many forms of slavery in this world, hidden behind masks like PC’ism.

          KK

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        sophocles

        :-P

        … I think you’ve got it!

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        OriginalSteve

        That funny noise is the sound of reef research money drying up…..

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      theRealUniverse

      “And sack the village idiots who arranged Ridd’s sacking” That was, according to Ridd, the entire university admin.

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      TdeF

      And can we have our $444Million back Malcolm and Lucy? If you stop Snowy III we will build a really big statue of Malcolm.

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    William

    Ok, so it recovered this time and the previous times, but it is still doomed because of our rampant destructive climate behaviour!

    Seriously, how often to these expert reef doom mongers have to be proven wrong before politicians and the MSM start to question them?

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      ivan

      The MSM will never question them because they need the doomsayers output to help push the fear along. The MSM are part of the problem >b>not part of the solution, they follow the UN Church of Climatology doctrin to the letter.

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        PeterS

        Not just the MSM. Apparently it has PM Morrison hooked into the scam as well. I’ve had high hopes for him on smashing the CAGW scam being perpetrated here in Australia but that hope is diminishing. There is still time for him to do something significant, such as:

        1. remove the ban on nuclear
        2. force all power companies to keep their existing coal fired power stations open and/or replaced by new ones
        3. scrap all renewables subsidies, and I mean all not just the ones he promised
        4. scrap all emission targets – we all know they are meaningless and worthless anyway for a number of reasons

        but they all will have to be in his current term of office.

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          sophocles

          PeterS @ #2.1.1 said

          remove the ban on nuclear

          Umm. No. Don’t remove it but modify it:

          – Keep the ban on HPWC (High Pressure Water Cooled) reactors -these are the dangerous and expensive ones

          – only permit the safe LFTRs (Liquid Fuel Thorium Reactors)

          Otherwise someone will try building pressurised water-cooled reactors — they’re the dangerous ones; they’re the over-the-top expensive ones. LFTRs hold all the safety cards and will likely hold most of the expense ones, too. The pressure containment vessel is a high proportion of the cost of the water cooled reactors.

          It’s usually wise to keep any technology decisions by politicians general and hope they choose the correct one, but the safety and cost advantages of LFTR makes them the necessary — rather than a selectible — choice. They are not an option. (You may have noticed, that political favour seems to settle more readily on the more expensive solutions for problems)

          Keeping the HPWC reactors out of it will steal the thunder and outrage completely from the Greenies. They will push all the failings of the HPWC reactors and when they’ve run through their lists of reasons why nuclear is not an option, they can be told:

          Yes, we agree with you. That’s why those ones are still banned.

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            Graeme No.3

            sophocles:

            Pebble reactors (as recently built by the Chinese), Homogeneous type (recent Russian 170MW build) even the small modular type (although I am not in favour) and possibly the Canadian CANDU type (a bit expensive as it need lots of heavy water, but it uses unenriched uranium so cannot be used to make nuclear bomb materials)?

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              Analitik

              A second vote for CANDU. Higher capex on the reactor but no capex requirement for enrichment facilities as well as the non-proliferation thing. And also no need to shutdown for refuelling

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              sophocles

              Pebble reactors produce strontium-90 as a fine dust. It’s a highly radioactive form of waste and requires disposal in a nuclear waste place.
              Pebble reactors are very high temperature reactors. Could become a problem. Some require a containment building.

              LFTRs on the other hand are capable of burning fuel down to non-radioactive ash. They do not require containment buildings. Can be sunk into the ground. No heavy-water needed, no fuel rods needed, no fuel rod reprocessing needed, no moderator or control rods needed. They are thermally controlled.

              At first glance, LFTR still wins over pebble in the overall safety stakes and in the control and waste disposal stakes.

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            Bill in Oz

            The USA navy has used Thorium
            As the fuel for it’s nuclear powered subs since the 1950′s
            Not one nuclear power malfunction is 70 years.
            KISS
            :-)

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              Analitik

              No, the navy reactors use highly enriched uranium.

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              Graeme No.3

              Bill:

              As far as I am aware ALL nuclear reactors can use thorium. It’s the quantity that counts when you are talking about Thorium reactors.

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            Hasneen

            1 have another one.

            Make it mandatory for any company who wants to sell fuel in Australia to either refine 70% of the fuel they sell in Australia, or source 70% from an Australian refiner.

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          PeterS

          You are all being too pedantic. Just remove the ban on nuclear like all other nations who use nuclear power.

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      Sceptical Sam

      I can do no better that to offer a quote from Richard S. Lindzen, in his paper: Global Warming for the Two Cultures.

      “Remember, in a world that buys into the incoherent ‘precautionary principle,’ even the
      mere claim of remote possibility justifies extreme action.

      Presumably, the power these people desperately seek includes the power to roll back the
      status and welfare that the ordinary person has acquired and continues to acquire through
      the fossil fuel generated industrial revolution and return them to their presumably more
      appropriate status as serfs. Many more among the world’s poorest will be forbidden the
      opportunity to improve their condition.

      Nevertheless, when these claims are presented to the leaders of our societies, along with
      the bogus claim that 97% of scientists agree, our leaders are afraid to differ, and proceed,
      lemming-like, to plan for the suicide of industrial society.”

      https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2018/10/Lindzen-AnnualGWPF-lecture.pdf

      If you haven’t read it, you should.

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    This will be turned into something that will still indicate that the GBR is doomed.

    It’s like the heat in France being all over the news, but not a mention of the freezing cold in Colorado/Canada.

    The warming worriers cannot afford to maintain any semblance of balance.

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      Greg in NZ

      Nor a mention of the freezing cold SNOW in Tasmania –

      http://mtmawson.info/snow-cam/

      Is Tassie still part of your federation or has it eloped with Crazyfornia to become a wild buccaneer pirate state on the not-so-high seas of misfortune?

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      PeterPetrum

      We are in Provence at the moment – about 90k from Montpellier which was said to have experienced 45degC two days ago. That day it only go to 34deg here, near Gordes. There is a rumour that the 45deg was on a domestic thermometer in the sun, reported to local media – who published – who were picked up internationally and – lo and behold – all time record temperature. Christy et al (I think) in the US are trying to trace the thermometers that are giving these “record” temperatures, but have been unable to find them in the official records.

      And so it goes on – fabricated Global Warming.

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        ivan

        Peter, on the so called record breaking day my met station recorded 42.8°C and I’m further south, just a few km from the Spanish border.

        As you say, they are now fudging the data before it gets recorded presumably to stop people like us claiming they are fudging the records.

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          theRealUniverse

          The WMO has called it ‘unprecedented’.. of course they would. More sockpuppets for the ‘Agenda’.

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        theRealUniverse

        The whole of France, Germany, etc has temps over 45C ..all based on ONE French thermometer..Now thats fudging the data.

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    Bill in Oz

    Ever si slightly off topic
    but too good to let slip under the greenist carpet !

    An arctic fox cub fitted with
    An electronic tracking collar ‘walked’
    From Svallbad in Norway
    All the way to Arctic Canada
    3500 kilometers
    in 2 months…
    This was reported by the Village idiots at the ABC.
    So it must be true !
    But it must have been a miracle
    As that fox must have walked on water all the way
    All the Arctic icecap has melted
    According to the Greenist imaginings.
    Don’t cha know !

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      Geoff

      It walked on a plane paid for by Canadian taxayer. It now resides in a house for orphaned, Norwegan arctic foxes on the corner of Kent and Vittoria Streets, Ottawa. You can mail money to that Fox. It is a victim of Norwegan oppression.

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      Curious George

      It is 1450 km, not 3500. Still a nice walk.

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        Bill in Oz

        The fox was tracked from Svallbad to Greenland
        And then from Greenland to the Canadian arctic.
        Total distance . ~ 3500 ks.
        The fox has unfortunately either lost it’s tracking collar
        Or been killed by another predator
        As no more signals were received after it got to the Canadian Arctic.

        Ummmmm ?
        Possibly this is just as well.
        I hear rumours that Canadian & Norwegian Greenists
        Were looking for the fox.
        They think a young fox walking on water 3500 ks. IS a true miracle !
        As it got help from Santa Claus at the North pole.
        They want to make this fox a central TOTEM
        Of their new Greenist religion.
        Ho ! Ho ! Ho !

        ;-)

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          Bill in Oz

          Only 5 green thumbs ?
          Is my humour unappreciated here ?
          Come on LoNova Folks !
          Lighten up !
          One of the best ways of killing off this Global Warming scam
          Is showing how bizarre these village idiots really are !
          And laughing at them !
          They get’s all embaressed when we laugh at them

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            sophocles

            Keep it up Bill. :-)
            Believe it or not, as you choose, lack of loud applause does not mean lack of enjoyment.

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    Zane

    In 1992 I was snorkelling off the so-called Gili Islands between Bali and Lombok in Indonesia (Gili means island in Bahasa Indonesia) and there were quite a few circular bare batches of dead white coral, maybe 10 metres or more in diameter, where the local fishermen in pre tourist times had dropped dynamite to kill fish, but the blue staghorn coral which is the fasted growing was starting to repair the damage.

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      Greg in NZ

      Zane, I was there in 1986 and the occasional BOOM! was indeed heard from Gili Trawangan, where locals said itinerant fishermen from the mainland (Lombok) would use explosives. The coral surrounding Gili T appeared healthy and colourful (like you I was snorkelling, diving only 15 – 20 ft max before my ears bunged up) while over on Gili Air it was a desert, overrun by kina sea urchins. The first up-market resort had just been built there so maybe damage from wharf construction?

      Haven’t been back since and when I see photos/videos now, I know I’ll never go back… bloody tourists! Salamat jalan.

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      Len

      I thought Pulau was Bahasa Indonesia for Island?

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        Greg in NZ

        Nusa in Balinese, as in Nusa Dua / Two Islands; Gili in Lombokese (?) across the Wallace Line / Lombok Channel; Pulau in Malay, eg. Malaysia and West Papua; not to be confused with Palau, the island nation in Micronesia. Bahasa Indonesia is such a funky cool bitsa language – dang I wanna go back there now!

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    DaveR

    Until Qld business owners, especially in tourism, get together and order their representative bodies to take on these Green elites,at least at the national level, there will be ongoing economic damage to Qld businesses.

    The Green extremists and their useful idiots are sacrificing Qld businesses for their idealistic beliefs.

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    Sambar

    Meanwhile at the other end of the planet it appears that the artic is truely doomed ahttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2019/jul/01/its-getting-warmer-wetter-wilder-the-arctic-town-heating-faster-than-anywhere,

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      Bill in Oz

      Clearly the ABC & the Guardian are getting out of synch
      With their global warming fairy tales.
      ABC says a Norwegian Arctic fox walked across 3500 ks.
      To Canada.
      Guardian says it’s all water…
      Bugger who to believe in this fairy tale fest ?

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        toorightmate

        The Arctic fox is tipped to win gold in the 1500m swimming event at the next Olympics.

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          KinkyKeith

          Most likely it found its way onto a boat, went to sleep in a comfortable spot and woke up all at sea with only rats to live on for a few days.

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        sophocles

        A TB (TB=True Believer) would believe both.

        It’s easy to work out:
        - there all these little ice-bergs floating around up there,
        - each ice-berg has a resident endangered Poly-Bear on it
        - the Arctic is melting, we all know that
        - the endangered Poly-Bear ice-bergs melt too
        - they get too small to carry an endangered Poly-Bear
        - so plenty of smaller ice-bergs for traveling arctic foxes.

        Obvious, really! And all those Greens thought of it first.

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      Graeme No.3

      Sambar:

      If we don’t panic and run round in decreasing circles screaming hysterically we may end up with the Arctic like it was in Viking times (when feral snarks swam there).

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    Geoff

    Svalbard is located next to a string of volcanoes. If the temperature has suddenly risen 4C its time to consider moving. It may be more realistic to say the government owned coal mining there is shutting down and the only other potential revenue source is mining global warming. Simply spread the coal tailings across a large area of snow and wait for it to heat up. Then claim runaway global warming and the need for a government paid clean up ie Keynesian economics.

    When the government needs an excuse to spend other people’s money, climate change is the go to reason.

    Meanwhile
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPjrFjAxwlw

    and the Australian government has lowered rates to banana republic levels in the hope of stimulating land inflation and cramming yet more debt into the banking system.

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    el gordo

    Here they discuss coral ‘refugia’ in a warmer world.

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2018JG004939

    Most of the damage occurs during cool epochs when sea level falls and corals radiated, and flourish when the water is warmer than now.

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    pat

    for the record, have now found ABC North Coast covering this story on 27 Jun:

    Facebook: ABC North Coast
    26 June 2019
    TALE OF TWO REEFS – COULD THE GBR RECOVER IN THE SOUTH WHILE IT DIES IN THE NORTH?
    After cyclone devastated the coral around One Tree Island near Gladstone eight years ago and coral production declined by 75%, SCU researchers were not optimistic that this year’s tests would reveal anything but bad news.
    But what they found stunned them…

    “When a reef is severely degraded it’s very sad, but I’m glad to be part of a team that is working towards understanding what drives coral health and how we can better protect these ecosystems in the future, informing policy decisions…
    COMMENT:
    ***ABC North Coast: SCU’s Kay Davis speaking with Jo on ABC North Coast at 7:20am this morning – 5 days ago
    https://www.facebook.com/ABCNorthCoast/posts/tale-of-two-reefs-could-the-gbr-recover-in-the-south-while-it-dies-in-the-northa/2442535985767615/

    Kay Davis segment with Jo Shoebridge – 45min mark to 52min:

    AUDIO: ***27 Jun: ABC North Coast Breakfast: Joanne Shoebridge
    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/northcoast/programs/breakfast/breakfast/11233386

    Jo Shoebridge asks: would you say the coral at One Tree Island is back to full health?
    Davis: the measurements that we took would suggest that, yes.

    …goes on to Lizard and Lord Howe Islands

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      pat

      text on ABC FB page is on this page, however you now get “We’re sorry, that page isn’t available”:

      Great Barrier Reef’s southernmost island shows vital signs of life
      Southern Cross University – 7 days ago
      When a reef is severely degraded it’s very sad, but I’m glad to be part of a team that is working towards understanding what drives coral health and how we can better protect these ecosystems in the future, informing policy decisions…
      https://www.scu.edu.au/engage/news/2019/great-barrier-reefs-southernmost-island-shows-vital-signs-of-life.php

      if you put the headline – Great Barrier Reef’s southernmost island shows vital signs of life – in a search you can go to the cached version for the full article. worth doing.

      includes the following, which should have led to theirABC covering her research on AM, Breakfast, The World Today, PM & 7.30 Report, you would think, especially as Davis is still firmly a CAGW believer:

      (excerpts) In March this year Kay Davis was awarded Southern Cross University’s International Women’s Day Scholarship for her outstanding research. She accepted the award via video link from her latest research location at Lord Howe Island, the southernmost coral reef in the world located 600 km directly east of mainland Port Macquarie on the NSW mid north coast.
      “Lord Howe Island is so beautiful and we are the first team to ever measure ecosystem metabolism on the reef there,” she said.
      “I hope my award will inspire other women to follow their passion in science, so Australia can raise its relative percentage in STEM careers above the current 16 per cent.”

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        pat

        TWEET: ABC News: ‘Completely unexpected’ findings hold new hope for the recovery of coral on the Great Barrier Reef (LINK)
        1 Jul 2019
        REPLY:
        Daniel Scott Matthews – 7h ago
        “Cyclones are common in nature, but we know that storms are worsened and become more frequent and intense with climate change,”
        Actually no they are not, the entire article and the “scientist” quoted have no credibility at all after that dishonest claim.
        See data from BOM below…GRAPH…

        Daniel Scott Matthews – 7h ago
        I’m thinking a formal complaint is perhaps warranted on this one, because they are flat out telling lies…
        READ THE REST
        https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1145789323985342464

        Davis’s Twitter page. at top, she re-tweets a link to Nature, which is also in the above ABC tweet replies:

        Twitter: Kay Davis, PhD candidate – National Marine Science Centre @NMSCSCU studying coral reef ecosystem metabolism and groundwater interactions with coastal ocean.
        top – Davis re-tweeted:
        Terry Hughes:
        Fact Check: 1,500km of the #GreatBarrierReef was badly damaged by temperature extremes due to anthropogenic heating in 2016 & 2017. Half of the corals died. Recovery will take a decade, assuming we see no more bleaching before 2027 (Fat chance). (LINK Nature)
        https://twitter.com/_coral_kay

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    pat

    theirABC did find time for this today:

    AUDIO: 3min 12sec: 2 Jul: ABC The World Today: Rare orchid or golf club to suffer in planned road works
    By Eleanor Dingle on The World Today
    But a state government proposal to widen a highway and put in a new roundabout will destroy either a hole at the Tasman Golf Club or orchids on the bush block across the road that grow no-where else in the world.
    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/worldtoday/rare-orchid-or-golf-club-to-suffer-in-planned-road-works/11271218

    1 Jul: CNS News: Alaska Senator: We Can’t Build ‘a Simple Road’ Without ‘Radical Extreme Environmental Groups’ Suing Us
    By Mark Jennings
    Members of Congress who claim that building “a simple road” in his state will harm wildlife, like the porcupine caribou, “don’t know what they’re talking about,” Alaska Senator Dan Sullivan (R) told CNSNews.com in an exclusive interview last Wednesday…

    “Whenever you try to just build a simple road in Alaska – most Americans just take that for granted – but we’ll have, several what I would consider radical extreme environmental groups sue to stop it. Happens all the time.”…
    “Unfortunately, radical environmental groups always do this ‘Oh, my God, everything’s going to die,’ when you build a road, a damn road,” Sullivan said, “In most states, you can build a road anywhere you want. You don’t have 80 environmental groups suing to stop it, but in my state, you try to build one damn road, and you’ll have so many outside groups that don’t care about my constituents suing to stop the road.”…READ ON
    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/mark-jennings/alaska-senator-we-cant-build-simple-road-without-radical-extreme

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    el gordo

    A new paper looks at the Gilbert Islands and its official, corals are very adaptable and can cope with stress.

    http://www.co2science.org/articles/V22/jun/a10.php

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      el gordo

      Importantly, its not warm water causing bleaching. Within the coral triangle sea level drops by up to 20-30 cm around some tropical western Pacific islands during El Nino.

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        Hanrahan

        Of course sea level drops cause bleaching. A polyp out of water and in the sun won’t last long.

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          el gordo

          The bleaching in Sydney Harbour had me stumped, it looked like warm water was responsible because of the marine heatwave.

          Its seems more likely that strong westerly winds lowered the sea level inside the harbour, causing the bleaching.

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          Hanrahan

          I didn’t mean to infer that this is the ONLY cause of bleaching. I have no way of knowing how many causes there may be.

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            el gordo

            That’s okay, I’m fishing for counter arguments, my money is on sea level drop as the primary cause of bleaching.

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              Peter Fitzroy

              It’s the relative temperature change that is important in bleaching events. In the bigger picture, adaptations to one temperature regime will not do well at another. If you examine the coral species around heron island, they are not the same as those around lizard island which is much further north.

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                el gordo

                I dispute that water temperature has anything to do with bleaching. Do you have a link I can accept?

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                AndyG55

                Corals exist and flourish in far warmer waters.

                They ADAPT, different species move around.

                It was a short period of lower water level exposing the corals, and lack of flow (which carries the food for the corals) that caused this bleaching.

                The coral inhabitants moved out for a while.

                ie, it was the El Nino and the SUN.

                MASSIVE and FAST RECOVERY, so it can’t have been “climate change™” unless “climate change™” has reversed. ;-)

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                Peter Fitzroy

                as I said it is a species thing, and there are lot of species of coral.

                But to save you searching EG, https://www.aims.gov.au/docs/research/climate-change/climate-monitoring/sst.html
                will enlighten you

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                Bill in Oz

                Peter Fitzroy, how dare you favour & promote the growth of ceratin coral species instead of all of them ?

                You are guilty of the dastardly crime of CORALIS.M.

                I am referring you to PETA which I hope will take up this crime with apropriate protests by vegans all along the coasts of NSW & Qld.

                :-)

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                AndyG55

                Precisely, PF

                The GBR is doing extremely well.

                If it was “climate change™” it would be a permanent thing

                ZERO EVIDENCE that a different species has replaced the bleached corals.

                “ZE” is really the ONLY thing you have to offer, isn’t it, PF.

                Thanks for YET AGAIN showing everyone that these occurrences are TOTALLY NATURAL… even if it was the opposite effect of your original dumb comments.

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                Graeme No.3

                P.F.
                The current type of coral animal has survived since just after the Permian extinction event (250 million years ago). It has evolved into numerous species with different skelatal? (architectural?) structures but it depends on its ‘companion’ photosynthetic species. These convert the waste products of the coral into fertilizer and provide supplemental food for the coral animal. (I believe recent research has found that a yeast may also be involved). These are the temperature sensitive (and coloured) part of the reefs. If a suitable plant type substitute is available then this is incorporated into the coral animal. If not then the coral animal dies and the ABC goes plutonic about bleaching.
                The same type of coral is found in the Red Sea despite a water temperature up to 5℃ higher than in Qld. And a related coral type lives below the depth that sunlight (and ABC reporters) penetrate.
                Corals are more adaptable than you.

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                Bill in Oz

                Graeme , the ABC needs a good solid dose of smelling salts.
                That might help them be a bit catatonic when needed.
                As for the ABC being ‘plutonic’
                I suggest that egging things tad.
                The new scientists abolished Pluto
                Asa planet officially about 15 years ago.

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    Anyone who finds a reliable way to kill coral can then get a gig cleaning up the lantana and blackberry in SE Oz. (Bleaching events don’t count, any more than May’s frost damage to my lantana (-4.1 on the NSW midcoast before official winter!)

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    Travis T. Jones

    97% Al Gore approved science!

    Global Warming sounds like a picnic to Mr. Krabs, but can Bikini Bottoms really handle rising temperatures?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlkprv-Upco

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    StephenP

    Salmon adjust from sea water to fresh water in just a few hours!

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      Hanrahan

      So do archer fish [a fun aquarium fish but not for the community tank] and barramundi, they ride the flood waters out of lagoons to spawn in the salt. The opposite to salmon.

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        Graeme No.3

        Hanrahan:

        Quiet please. We have enough trouble with the LGBTQIA mob ( I don’t think the B stands for barramundi?).

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      glen Michel

      Australian Bass( novaemaculeata) and Barramundi ( lates calcarifer) are two catadromous species.

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    Serge Wright

    The GBR finally proves it’s alright to be white :)

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    thingadonta

    Definition of a reverse ponzi scheme: if it’s too bad to be true, it probably isn’t.

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    AndyG55

    I do have to wonder, though..

    How does Jo know its recovered 400 times.

    I would suspect a whole lot more times than that. ;-)

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      Bill in Oz

      Andy, the GBR was not in it’s present location 10,000 years ago
      Why ?
      Because THEN, the present location was dry land.
      Due to it being then an ice age with huge amount of water locked up in ice sheets.
      The GBR grew where it is now after the ice sheets melted and the previously dry land was flooded.
      So this does place a time limit on how many times the current GBR has recovered from bleaching events.
      PS Before the ice sheets melted, there was another
      GBR present at the old sea level on the coast.
      It’s remnants have been discovered in deep water further out to sea from the current GBR.

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    beowulf

    So when do we get back our $444million that Turnbull gifted to his mates at the GBR Foundation and Morrison signed off to “save the reef”???? And then they wanted $400 million more from the private sector.
    https://www.2gb.com/great-barrier-reef-foundation-looking-for-another-400-million/

    Labor was going to axe the deal if they got into power.
    https://www.afr.com/news/politics/labor-vows-to-terminate-444m-grant-to-great-barrier-reef-foundation-20180905-h14xzk

    A GBRF director had to resign not long after the grant was given when he was charged with being part of a criminal cartel.
    https://thirdsector.com.au/great-barrier-reef-foundation-board-director-steps-down-following-criminal-charges/

    Dirty deeds all around.

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      MudCrab

      Labor was going to axe the deal if they got into power.

      Axe? Redirect Funds Own Mates? Those words are basically interchangeable these days.

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    pat

    new scare…all over the MSM:

    1 Jul: AP: Floating Antarctic ice goes from record high to record lows
    by Seth Borenstein
    The amount of ice circling Antarctica is suddenly plunging from a record high to record lows, baffling scientists.
    Floating ice off the southern continent steadily increased from 1979 and hit a record high in 2014. But three years later, the annual average extent of Antarctic sea ice hit its lowest mark, wiping out three-and-a-half decades of gains — and then some, a NASA study of satellite data shows.

    In recent years, “things have been crazy,” said Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center. In an email, he called the plummeting ice levels “a white-knuckle ride.”
    Serreze and other outside experts said they don’t know if this is a natural blip that will go away or more long-term global warming that is finally catching up with the South Pole…READ ALL
    https://www.apnews.com/d449b411a3db4d8b8564b7f6d8968f2d

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      Analitik

      Oh no! Antarctica is now out of ice because it’s all been melted from the Global Warming…

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        Graeme No.3

        Worse…we will have the Ship of Fools 2 setting off for Antarctica! Standard by the RAAF with emergency supplies of ingredients for peanut butter smoothies.

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      glen Michel

      Scientists should be baffled.

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        glen Michel

        I know, I’ll clue them up with a little perspective. The climate changes, sea ice retreats and expands etc.So bloody what I say – but it’s all the hand of man!

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    pat

    even scarier…behind paywall:

    2 Jul: UK Times: Green finance plan to combat climate change
    The financial services industry must play a “vital role” in combating climate change, the City minister will say today as the government unveils the details of its green finance strategy.
    John Glen will set out the government’s plan to bolster investment in sustainable infrastructure and projects as part of proposals that also will push listed companies and asset managers such as ***pension funds to reveal by 2022 the risks that climate change poses to their operations.
    Theresa May is making tackling threats to the environment a key part of her legacy before she steps down as prime minister. Last month, Britain set itself a net zero carbon emission target for 2050, becoming the first big economy to propose such a goal…

    2 Jul: Guardian: Firms must document climate impact on profits, Treasury says
    Companies will be asked to reveal how extreme weather could jeopardise finances
    by Phillip Inman and Jillian Ambrose
    Britain’s leading companies, investment funds and ***pension schemes must show by 2022 how the climate emergency could jeopardise their finances, under government plans to boost the UK’s green credentials.
    Firms must document within the two-and-a-half-year deadline how extreme weather and changes to climate rules, such as a ban on plastic packaging, could hit their profits…

    Under a new government strategy, banks will be pushed to invest in sustainability and come clean about their own exposure to the climate crisis.
    The Treasury said its green finance strategy would help the City emerge as a green finance capital by funding green investment, an education charter, a green home finance fund and by establishing a new green finance institute. The institute succeeds the green finance taskforce that was launched in 2017 and will encourage investment in sustainable businesses such as renewable energy firms…READ ON
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/02/firms-climate-impact-on-profits-treasury

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    pat

    1 Jul: BBC: Chubb cuts coal insurance exposure because of climate change
    The firm will no longer underwrite the building and operation of new coal-fired plants or new risks for companies that generate more than 30% of their revenues from coal mining.
    Chairman Evan G. Greenberg said Chubb accepts “the reality of climate change… on our planet”.
    Allianz, Hannover, and Lloyds Banking Group have scaled back coal insurance.
    The Switzerland-based insurer does most of its business in the US, where President Donald Trump has vowed to revive the coal sector.

    Chubb is thought to be the biggest insurer operating in the US to introduce the policy, and it could put pressure on firms such as AIG and Travelers to follow suit.
    “Making the transition to a low-carbon economy involves planning and action by policymakers, investors, businesses and citizens alike,” Mr Greenberg said in a statement.
    Chubb said exceptions to the new policy would be considered until 2022, taking into account an insured company’s commitment to reduce coal dependence and also regions that do not have practical near-term alternative energy sources…
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48808311

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    pat

    behind paywall:

    The perilous politics of climate change
    Financial Times – 1 Jul 2019
    Environmental policy has become a battleground in the culture wars… Greta Thunberg, the teenage climate activist, has become a political…
    European and American climate campaigners might be tempted to believe that extreme weather events will create an unstoppable demand for radical action…
    ???Opinion polls suggest that Australians now rate climate change as the biggest single risk to their national security. But during the campaign Mr and his allies successfully portrayed the opposition Labor party as urban snobs whose proposals would…

    Carbon Brief pn above:

    The perilous politics of climate change
    “Environmental policy has become a battleground in the culture wars”, argues Financial Times columnist Gideon Rachman. He says the recent election victory of Australia’s Liberal government “offers important and potentially discouraging lessons for climate campaigners in Europe and North America”. Rachman continues: “It suggests that politicians who present radical programmes for action on climate change are at serious risk of electoral defeat by the likes of [Australian prime minister] Mr Morrison – unless they can convince voters that reducing CO2 emissions will not also mean reducing living standards.”

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    pat

    hmmm!

    1 Jul: Nature: Committed emissions from existing energy infrastructure jeopardize 1.5 °C climate target
    This is an unedited manuscript that has been accepted for publication. Nature Research are providing this earlyversion of the manuscript as a service to our customers. The manuscript will undergo copyediting,typesetting and a proof review before it is published in its final form. Please note that duringthe production process errors may be discovered which could affect the content, and all legaldisclaimers apply.

    Authors include Ken Caldeira…

    We estimate that, if operated as historically, existing infrastructure will emit about 658 gigatonnes (Gt) of CO2 (ranging from 226 to 1,479 Gt CO2 depending on assumed lifetimes and utilization rates). More than half of these emissions are projected to come from the electricity sector, and infrastructure in China, the USA and the EU28 countries represent approximately 41 per cent, 9 per cent and 7 per cent of the total, respectively. If built, proposed power plants (planned, permitted or under construction) would emit approximately an additional 188 (range 37–427) Gt CO2.
    Committed emissions from existing and proposed energy infrastructure (about 846 Gt CO2) thus represent more than the entire remaining carbon budget if mean warming is to be limited to 1.5 °C with a probability of 50–66 per cent (420–580 Gt CO2)5, and perhaps two-thirds of the remaining carbon budget if mean warming is to be limited to below 2 °C (1,170–1,500 Gt CO2)5. The remaining carbon budget estimates are varied and nuanced, depending on the climate target and the availability of large-scale negative emissions16.

    Nevertheless, our emission estimates suggest that little or no additional CO2-emitting infrastructure can be commissioned, and that infrastructure retirements that are earlier than historical ones (or retrofits with carbon capture and storage technology) may be necessary, in order to meet the Paris Agreement climate goals…READ ON
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1364-3

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      pat

      it’s now or never for the CAGW mob, it seems:

      2 Jul: Reuters: Global warming targets at risk from energy plants’ CO2 emissions
      by Nina Chestney
      LONDON – Carbon emissions from existing and planned fossil fuel energy plants and projects will exceed the amount needed to curb global warming, jeopardising a 1.5 degree Celsius temperature limit goal, scientists said in a study on Monday…

      The paper published in the journal Nature by scientists from U.S. and Chinese universities used data from existing and planned fossil fuel energy infrastructure as of the end of 2018 to estimate future carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions…

      The authors of the Nature paper are from the Tsinghua University in China, the University of California, Carnegie Institution for Science and Global Energy Monitor in the United States.
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-energy/global-warming-targets-at-risk-from-energy-plants-co2-emissions-idUSKCN1TW34O

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    pat

    finally and most scarily! lol:

    no surprise to me that Harrabin would be pushing this:

    TWEET: Roger Harrabin
    Report says #Climategate hacking was done by Russians. via @CarbonBrief https://medium.com/@iggyostanin/exclusive-climategate-email-hacking-was-carried-out-from-russia-in-effort-to-undermine-action-78b19bc3ca5a … @Revkin
    2 Jul 2019
    LINK Medium.com

    READ replies
    https://twitter.com/RHarrabin/status/1145969251221671936

    Medium.com is not working, for me. 502 bad gateway or something. might have been pulled.
    this is all I can find before going offline:

    Medium: Exclusive: “Climategate” email Hacking was carried out from Russia, in effort to undermine action on global warming
    In 2009, the publication of emails stolen from the UK’s University of East Anglia m ade headlines across the world. It sparked a scandal…
    Iggy Ostanin forensically tracks early Russian hacking and interference around climate change research and its immediate effect on Donald …forensically tracks early Russian hacking and interference around climate change research and its immediate effect on Donald…
    https://medium.com/@iggyostanin/exclusive-climategate-email-hacking-was-carried-out-from-russia-in-effort-to-undermine-action-78b19bc3ca5a

    writer, Iggy Ostanin is FakeNews. Bellingcat is very spooky and loved by major FakeNewsMSM:

    Bellingcat: Magnitsky
    Iggy Ostanin is a freelance Russian journalist who does investigative research on the Ukrainian conflict. He tweets under @magnitsky and can be contacted at iggy.ostanin@gmail.com
    https://www.bellingcat.com/author/magnitsky/

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      pat

      it all seems to be here on this mess of a website Ostanin is involved with:

      1 Jul: BylineTimes: Iggy Ostanin forensically tracks early Russian hacking and interference around climate change research and its immediate effect on Donald Trump.
      In 2009, the publication of emails stolen from the UK’s University of East Anglia made headlines across the world. It sparked a scandal dubbed “Climategate” by global warming skeptics. To this day, some critics see the emails as evidence of a conspiracy to dupe the public into believing in human-caused climate change.

      Such campaigns clearly have an effect on public opinion… Trump appeared to have reversed his position in the wake of the cyber-theft and publication of scientists’ emails.

      Multiple investigations cleared the scientists of wrongdoing, but the false allegations proved enduring. Donald Trump publicly called on world leaders to tackle global warming just prior to the “Climategate” affair, but became skeptical of climate change after the story broke.

      The identity of the hackers has remained a mystery despite the efforts of law enforcement and journalists.
      It can be revealed for the first time that evidence points to the Russian city of Ekaterinburg.
      Clues had been inadvertently hidden within the scientists’ emails all along. Whoever released the hacked messages put each message in a text file and used a peculiar system to name each of these files. The names were generated through Unix Time — a system that counts seconds elapsed since the first of January 1970 in UTC.

      ***I have shared all relevant evidence with the UK’s National Crime Agency…ETC ETC

      ***I am not releasing the name of any individual looked at in this investigation to the public, but have shared all relevant evidence with the UK’s National Crime Agency…

      Shortly before the 2009 climate summit Donald Trump signed an open letter in the New York Times calling for world leaders to take serious action on climate change. Just months later, Trump appeared to have reversed his position in the wake of the cyber-theft and publication of scientists’ emails.

      He told a Fox News presenter: “the memorandum or whatever it was that they found a few months ago was devastating, by the leaders of the movement of global warming. I think that was devastating because that basically said you people are a bunch of jerks to follow us and we’re just kidding. And I really think that was the beginning.”
      https://bylinetimes.com/2019/07/01/climategate-email-hacking-was-carried-out-from-russia-in-an-effort-to-undermine-action-on-global-warming/

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      ivan

      Seriously, this Iggy character is basing his claim for hacking on timestamps. Doesn’t he know how easy it is to change the time shown by a computer (if I didn’t have my computers set up to synchronise with the local time standard their time could be up to 6 hours out in a week).

      The other thing that makes this appear to be fake news is the Russian anti Trump rhetoric so loved by the Dems who are very upset by Trump being realistic about the global warming/climate change/what ever it’s called this week scam

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    RAH

    “If only coral researchers read skeptic blogs,…….” If only coral researchers were actually skeptical as any real scientist must be in order to practice the scientific method and thus conduct actual scientific research.

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    PeterS

    A problem with groups like the global warming alarmists who keep repeating the same mantra and lies is eventually they might stick. It’s certainly working here in Australia. Otherwise why is it that we are one of the few nations who actually are carrying out their insane policies in full by shutting down our coal fired power stations and refusing to build new ones all in the name of reducing our emissions? Pretty much the rest of the build are busy building as many new coal fired power stations as possible along with many nuclear ones. It really makes me wonder if Australia is the dumbest nation of all. Who was it who said we are the clever country? If we ever were we are certainly not now by a long shot I’m afraid. The next few years will be very telling. We will see a great turnaround of public opinion when more and more coal fired power stations are destroyed by power companies, which in itself should be classified as an act of terrorism even under our own existing laws.

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      el gordo

      ‘Who was it who said we are the clever country?’

      Donald Horne coined the phrase The Lucky Country as a criticism of Australia’s useless politicians.

      ‘The next few years will be very telling.’

      A primary function in the century ahead will be as a quarry and theme park, with an energy mix to reflect our low sense of self worth.

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        Kinky Keith

        Well put, if only there was a solution to our mental inability to counteract those enslaving us.

        KK

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        PeterS

        We don’t have that much time. If we don’t stop destroying our coal fired power station in the next few years this nation is going to crash and burn. Small fires have already started in case you haven’t noticed. For example, as was shown yesterday the RBA is desperate in trying to pump up the economy. Cutting rates to record lows is not enough. The RBA backed up that fact by making the astonishing warning the PM he must do more to help the economy to move more in the right direction. I still have hopes for Morrison to act accordingly but I’m starting to wonder if my hopes are ill founded.

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          el gordo

          Infrastructure and decentralisation is the key to future prosperity, the RBA has told Morrison to act quickly and decisively.

          So what infrastructure would you like to see?

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            PeterS

            Dams, coal fired power stations, more electric suburban trains with correctly sized car parks and high speed trains between major cities that are close to each other, such as Newcastle-Sydney-Wollongong. Pretty obvious to me for a rapidly growing population but not so to most politicians.

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              el gordo

              Dams and new coal fired power stations would be essential, along with satellite cities connected by a continental bullet train network.

              From my understanding Japan wants the Newcastle-Sydney-Wollongong run, which would be expensive to build, but should get the tick for a fast rail at speeds of 200 kph.

              They could widen the Inland Rail route from Brisbane to Melbourne with speeds of 350 or even faster, but that is of no value for decentralisation.

              So I propose we recreate Willandra Creek and when the next big flood comes around late next year the Willandra Lakes will fill up.

              It could be a sensitive theme park, experiencing what life was like 50,000 years ago in the Dream Time. Plenty of fish and fresh water, ideally situated for a satellite city.

              https://austhrutime.com/willandra_lakes.htm

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              el gordo

              Also the Sydney-Parkes-Mildura-Adelaide route could be VFT, which takes in Mungo National Park.

              They would need to widen the Melbourne-Brisbane corridor to bring about decentralisation.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fS19D-vEHM

              We may need Hele coal fired power stations or nuclear.

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        Hanrahan

        We have no reason to thumb our noses at being a quarry. We are actually very good at it.

        The real problem is that we squander all the wealth on ourselves and hiring bureaucrats, not capital works and R&D. It started with Howard and Costello who wasted their mineral boom. Costello also has the dubious honour of selling our gold
        Reserve Bank’s gold sale cost us $5bn
        By PAUL CLEARY
        THEAUSTRALIAN
        11:00PM JANUARY 10, 2011
        THE Reserve Bank sold most of the nation’s gold reserves more than a decade ago because the board believed its price would remain flat
        They believed also the commodity would not play a role in a future financial crisis.

        The decision to sell 167 tonnes of the bank’s reserves has cost the nation about $5 billion based on today’s soaring price of almost $1400 an ounce.

        You can add another 2 bill to that 5 with today’s price over $2,000. BTW we haven’t bought an ounce since. Pete still thinks he was our greatest treasurer.

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          AndyG55

          “We have no reason to thumb our noses at being a quarry. We are actually very good at it. “

          And quite frankly, there isn’t much else you could use much of that land for anyway.

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    Ruairi

    Experts in all life marine,
    Fnd the coral adaptable gene,
    And from bleaching discover,
    That they quickly recover,
    Which should really impress any Green.

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      ivan

      It should impress the greens but it won’t because they only use groupthink feelings and not real world facts.

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      RAH

      The problem is it was never really about the coral or any marine biology, or any other environmental concern. It was and still is about any justification for the domination and control of humans and their activities just as “renewable energy” is. I believe only a few Greens know that and rest of gullible masses have been indoctrinated to trust the government because you know, the government is always looking out for the welfare of those it governs and would never try to subjugate them.

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        KinkyKeith

        “would never try to subjugate them”.

        Nor enslave them.

        Slavery was abolished a couple of hundred years ago.

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    pat

    2 Jul: WUWT: charles the moderator: Record High Temperatures in France: 3 Facts the Media Don’t Tell You
    Reposted from Dr. Roy Spencer’s blog (LINK)
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/02/record-high-temperatures-in-france-3-facts-the-media-dont-tell-you/

    2018 VIDEO: 2 Jul: WUWT: Anthony Watts: Climate models are fudged, says climatologist – Video
    Dr. Patrick Michaels, former Virginia State Climatologist has some strong comments about climate models during an interview with Mark Levin:
    “It is nowhere near as warm as it’s ‘supposed’ to be,” says climatologist Dr. Patrick Michaels. “The computer models are making systematic, dramatic errors.”…
    “It’s built on a house of cards,” says Michaels…READ ON
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/02/climate-models-are-fudged-says-climatologist-video/

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    pat

    whilst I can see the route is possible, according to the map published on Polar Research, something seems off about this story which is in all the major MSM:

    2 Jul: ABC: Arctic fox sets new record after walking from Norway to Canada in 76 days
    By Bridget Judd
    According to researchers at Norway’s Polar Institute, the juvenile fox — which was fitted with a GPS tracking device — covered more than 3,500 kilometres in just 76 days, averaging 46km a day.
    “We couldn’t believe our eyes at first,” Eva Fuglei of the Polar Institute told Norway’s NRK public broadcaster, according to the BBC…
    According to the research findings, published in the Polar Research journal (LINK), the fox reached distances of 155km a day while traversing ice sheets in northern Greenland…
    The second leg of the animal’s journey into Canada remains more of a mystery, however.
    Its transmitter stopped working in February this year, and its fate remains unknown…

    24 Jun: Polar Research: Arctic fox dispersal from Svalbard to Canada: one female’s long run across sea ice
    DOWNLOAD PDF WITH MAP
    The total cumulative distance travelled during the entire tracking period, starting when she left her natal area on 1 March 2018 and ending when she settled on Ellesmere Island on 1 July 2018, was 4415 km…
    https://polarresearch.net/index.php/polar/article/view/3512

    2 Jul: BBC: Fantastic Arctic fox walks 2,000 miles from Norway to Canada
    Starting in Norway, in Europe, she travelled more than 2,000 miles across the Arctic desert all the way to Ellesmere Island in Canada, in North America…
    They originally thought the fox might have been picked up by a boat, but soon realised that this was not possible.
    “There are no boats that go so far up in the ice. So we just had to keep up with what the fox did,” said Eva.
    The fox was being tracked as part of research by the Norwegian Polar Institute…
    VIDEO: (PIC POLAR BEAR) WATCH: Why are thousands of species facing extinction?

    “This is another example of how important sea ice is to wildlife in the Arctic,” said Norway’s climate and environment minister, Ola Elvestuen.
    Ice sheets in the North Pole are an important way for species to travel – particularly during migration seasons.
    Global warming and climate change have caused the ice in both the North and South Poles to shrink at a very fast rate…
    “The warming in the north is frighteningly fast. We must cut emissions quickly to prevent the sea ice from disappearing all summer,” Elvestuen concluded.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/48839052

    An Arctic fox trekked from Norway to Canada, wowing scientists
    Washington Post – 2 Jul 2019
    An arctic fox carrying a tracker walked all the way from Norway to Canada, surprising scientists

    An Arctic Fox’s Epic Journey: Norway to Canada in 76 Days
    New York Times – 2 Jul 2019

    Arctic fox astounds scientists with epic 2,200 mile trek from Norway to Canada
    CNN – 2 Jul 2019

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    Dennis

    Coal is still cheap.

    But wind and solar business operators are waiting for more coal fired power stations to be shut down …

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-26/renewable-energy-investment-maybe-heading-from-boom-to-bust/11041964

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      Bill in Oz

      ABC article is now 3 months out of date.
      I suspect the bust has already happened.
      I wonder if ABC is suppressing this fact ?

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        Dennis

        Bill, there is a lot of interesting information contained in the article. I ask what investors will do when the end day arrives because based on the returns removing and replacing the wind turbines or solar system would cost more than the original investment’s return on investment?

        “JP Morgan energy and utilities analyst Mark Busuttil said returns on a $55/MWh PPA — assuming the project was 80 per cent debt funded — would be around 11 per cent.

        “We estimate that a wind farm costing $2,000/kW (kilowatt) with a $55/MWh offtake contract over the first 15 years, then reverting to a merchant power price of $75/MWh for the remaining 10-year life of the plant, would achieve a nominal internal rate of return of five per cent,” Mr Busuttil said.

        “The risk is that all free cash flows for the initial 15 contracted years would go solely to debt repayment, and equity holders would only generate returns beyond the contracted period.”
        In other words, equity investors would not see returns for 15 years. Even then, those returns would be highly dependent on volatile power prices which are more than likely tracking down as more supply is added”.

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    2 Jul: ABC: Carbon price ‘useful’ as sugar industry struggles to diversify and value-add
    ABC Rural by Tom Major
    With low-cost solar pumping power into electricity grids during the day, (Australian Sugar Milling Council director of trade and economics David) Rynne said a carbon price would enable generators of renewable biomass energy to compete with fossil fuels.
    “A carbon price would be useful for us,” Mr Rynne said.
    “In that peak period from 4:00pm to 7:00pm, a carbon price would obviously improve our competitiveness.”…READ ON
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-07-02/carbon-price-needed-as-sugar-industry-struggles-to-diversify/11270878

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    TdeF

    Of course it’s all made up nonsense, but we always knew that.

    98% of all CO2 is dissolved in the ocean as it is 45 times more soluble than oxygen.

    If the extra 50% of CO2 was man made, but as an estimate of total CO2 output from fossil fuels as alleged it represents 1/3 of 2% and that over 100 years.

    So the allegation is that mankind’s annual 0.007% contribution to total CO2 by burning old plants is somehow dangerous and
    will affect the Great Barrier Reef some how. Also this is CO2 which started life as CO2 before it became old plants.

    Soon there will be dinosaurs roaming Sydney and giant Pliosauri in the harbour.

    And there will be no coral or finches because of Climate Change and the failure of every living thing to adapt.

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    pat

    behind paywall:

    1 Jul: Financial Times: Chinese technology is crucial to cutting carbon emissions
    The US-China trade dispute and efforts to freeze out the technology group Huawei in the US, Australia and, to a lesser degree, Britain demonstrate the fears aroused by China’s emergence as a highly competitive industrial power…

    Without its development of wind and solar power over the past decade, the growth in production from renewables would not have taken place and the transition to a low-carbon economy would hardly have begun. The fact that solar and wind power are now competitive, without any need for subsidies, with other forms of energy is largely the result of the mass production of turbines and panels by Chinese companies…
    As a result, China is leading the energy transition. And there is much more to come…

    Under President Xi Jinping, China is using its skills, financial strength and political reach to become a global industrial power. The country’s wind and solar businesses began life as ventures created to take advantage of the lavish subsidies for renewables offered in Europe…
    https://www.ft.com/content/4354da38-9813-11e9-8cfb-30c211dcd229

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      1 Jul: WorldNuclearNews: Rössing sale gets final approval
      The Namibian Competition Commission has conditionally approved China National Uranium Corporation’s (CNUC) acquisition of Rössing Uranium Limited (RUL). It is the only approval needed for the transaction to be completed. Rössing, the world’s longest-running open pit uranium mine, has been in operation since 1976 and has a nameplate capacity of 4500 tonnes U3O8 per year…

      CNUC intends to acquire the entire issued share capital of Rio Tinto Overseas Holding Ltd, which will give it control over RUL, owner of the Rössing mine. Rio Tinto announced in November a binding agreement to sell its 68.62% stake in RUL to CNUC – part of China National Nuclear Corporation – for up to USD106.5 million…READ ON
      http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Rossing-sale-gets-final-approval?feed=feed

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        2 Jul: Scotsman: The proof that the private sector cannot secure just transition to green economy
        by Richard Leonard (leader of the Scottish Labour Party, and Member of the Scottish Parliament for the Central Scotland region)
        Leaving decisions about the transition to a net-zero carbon economy to the vagaries of the market will not work, so an interventionist role by governments is an absolute necessity, writes Richard Leonard.
        The Extinction Rebellion movement serves as a timely reminder that protest is power, that non-violent direct action is an important part of the democratic process and that the climate emergency is the most pressing issue of our time and requires urgent action…

        Businesses, particularly big business must play their part. That’s why, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell announced last week that a Labour Government would hold those companies, which do not meet a minimum standard of commitment to the climate emergency, to account. He suggested that one sanction could be to delist them from the London Stock Exchange and so cut off their access to capital investment. This radical approach would ensure that the private sector is forced to play a meaningful part in creating a sustainable economy…
        https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/the-proof-that-the-private-sector-cannot-secure-just-transition-to-green-economy-richard-leonard-1-4957246

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    Kinky Keith

    Speaking of Chyna,

    From Pats post above,

    “The country’s wind and solar businesses began life as ventures created to take advantage of the lavish subsidies for renewables offered in Europe…”

    For lavish, also read: dishonest, price/cost irrelevant, politically motivated,,,,,, subsidies.

    Price transfer fixing:

    If you lettuce sell useless renewables in your country then we’ll open and account for you in Beijing to cover your “”marketing costs”".
    Thank heaven we have morally scrupulous politicians here.

    Ha ha.
    KK

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    Zane

    The best thing for the global economy will be when the Chinese credit/construction bubble pops and the Chicoms stop using 2000 million tonnes of cement and 1000 million tonnes of steel (half in construction) per year. Because running up total debt from $1 trillion in 2000 to $40 trillion plus now and building 68 million empty concrete shell apartments is, you know, not really sustainable. It’s central planning gone berserk.

    After the bust, China can rebalance it’s absurd economy and become a less-polluted, better, more efficient place. And use less energy per unit of GDP while improving living standards and shifting the economy to services-bsaed growth.

    Simples. You got that, Xi Mao?

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    Travis T. Jones

    Meanwhile, at the conversation, the stupid and incompetence is dialled up to 11 …

    “Mads Peter Heide-Jørgensen, professor at Greenland’s Natural Institute, has taken a picture in Qaanaaq in northwest Greenland in 1984, which is almost identical to what Steffen Malskær Olsen has taken in 2019.”

    https://politiken.dk/klima/art7270247/Jeg-oplevede-det-selv-i-1984

    July 3, 2019: Time will tell if this is a record summer for Greenland ice melt, but the pattern over the past 20 years is clear

    https://theconversation.com/time-will-tell-if-this-is-a-record-summer-for-greenland-ice-melt-but-the-pattern-over-the-past-20-years-is-clear-119307

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      Greg in NZ

      Ah yes, the NON-versation… festering in the same filthy gutter as Stuff(ed) –

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/113811039/sydney-declares-a-climate-emergency–what-does-that-mean-in-practice

      By none other than Chris Turkey himself (he who was stuck in summer Antarctic sea ice on his way to prove there was none left) who opens with: “Late on Monday night, the City of Sydney became the first state capital in Australia to officially declare a climate emergency”. You can imagine the rest of his nonsensical diatribe for yourself. The article ends with a reference/link to the original article in the NON-versation –

      https://theconversation.com/sydney-declares-a-climate-emergency-what-does-that-mean-in-practice-119387

      “Late on Monday night, the City of Sydney became the second state capital in Australia (after Hobart a week earlier) to officially declare a climate emergency”. The article ends with this apology add on: “This article was amended on June 28, 2019, to acknowledge that Hobart was the first Australian state capital to declare a climate emergency, not Sydney as originally stated“.

      Meh, who cares about accuracy or facts, this is Chris Turney, Professor of Earth Science and Climate Change at ARC Centre of Excellence for Australian Biodiversity and Heritage, UNSW. Seems your crowd are even more low-grade than ours.

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        AndyG55

        “what-does-that-mean-in-practice”

        Bland, brain-numbed, meaningless, virtue-signalling..

        and NOTHING else.

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    Tdef

    Off the coral topic the Guardian is reporting that Climate Change made the heat wave five times more likely. I would love to see that calculation. Also it’s signicant that they are not claiming (sudden) Global Warming. The people managing these scares have changed policy.

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    1 Jul: UK Telegraph: Duke and Duchess of Sussex back teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg as they tell Instagram fans to save the planet
    By Hannah Furness, Royal Correspondent
    The Duke and Duchess, who have adopted a “monthly social awareness approach” to their favourite causes by regularly following new accounts on Instagram, told fans there is a “ticking clock to save our planet”.
    To raise awareness, they said, they have followed 15 new Instagram users including Miss Thunberg, jet-setting film star Leonardo DiCaprio’s foundation, and former Mayor of New York Michael Bloomberg…
    “We can only do this together, and every little bit helps,” they said in a post.
    The Duke said: “Only now are we starting to notice and understand the damage that we’ve been causing.
    “With nearly 7.7 billion people inhabiting this Earth, every choice, every footprint, every action makes a difference.”…
    Last week, it emerged that the Royal Family as a whole had doubled the carbon emissions in a year thanks to five major overseas tours…

    2 Jul: Daily Mail: Harry and Meghan plead with Instagram followers to help ‘save the planet’ – days after figures showed carbon emissions from royal travel have doubled
    •In 2019 CO2 emission total for the royal family’s business travel was 3,344 tonnes, compared to 1,687 tonnes in 2018
    by Siofra Brennan
    But the couple’s warning about emissions risks another PR misstep given their globe-trotting lifestyle…
    One follower commented: Wait guys. You can’t fly private jets in your personal life and then post this kind of thing. Either live it or don’t. Truly. Walk the talk. Otherwise it’s hypocrisy…

    A quote from Harry adds: ‘Environmental damage has been treated as a necessary by-product of economic growth.
    ‘So deeply ingrained is this thinking that it has been considered part of the natural order that humankind’s development comes at the expense of our planet…

    The barrage of criticism comes as Harry and Meghan were again slammed last week, after it was revealed that the couple’s renovation of the Frogmore Cottage residence in Windsor has cost £2.4 million of taxpayer funds…
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7199843/Sussex-Royal-share-passionate-post-environment.html

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      2 Jul: ABC America: Leonardo DiCaprio helps create new environmental alliance
      By Mark Kennedy, entertainment writer
      Leonardo DiCaprio is taking his environmental passion up a notch.
      The actor is joining with billionaire investors and philanthropists Laurene Powell Jobs and Brian Sheth to create a new nonprofit environmental powerhouse charged with tackling climate change and the loss of biodiversity.
      It’s called Earth Alliance and it hopes to protect ecosystems and wildlife, ensure climate justice, support renewable energy and secure indigenous rights..

      2 Jul: Breitbart: Barbra Streisand: ‘Time for Voters to Remove Climate Deniers from Office’
      by Jerome Hudson
      “Last week it was 114 in Paris and Guadalajara was buried in 3 feet of ice from a hailstorm,” Barbra Streisand said in a tweet, linking to a Washington Post article about the hail storm that left the Mexican city of Guadalajara under several feet of snow over the weekend. “Climate change is here now and it is time for voters to remove the climate deniers from office. Starting with Trump.”…

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        James Murphy

        If you create enough “non-profit” organisations with pointless or irrelevant goals, pretty soon you will never have to work or pay tax ever again. Who said Leo was stupid?

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          pat

          James Murphy –

          Royals, billionaires, millionaires – all for the CAGW cause!

          Youtube: 2min: George Monbiot: Overthrow Capitalism
          Published on Apr 18, 2019
          Monbiot on Frankie Boyle’s New World Order 11 April 2019
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wGscFxs6RY

          12 Apr: TheCanary: On BBC Two, George Monbiot had the entire studio applauding the overthrow of capitalism
          On comedian Frankie Boyle’s BBC Two show, columnist George Monbiot had the entire studio applauding the overthrow of capitalism. Explaining what we need to do to prevent climate catastrophe, Monbiot said:
          Monbiot: “We can’t do it by just pissing around at the margins of the problem. We’ve gotta go straight to the heart of capitalism; and overthrow it.”

          The man is spot on. Sitting governments are sleeping at the wheel, leading us towards climate catastrophe. In the UK, the current manifesto of the main opposition party – Labour – pledges to roll out local, publicly funded renewable energy firms across the country to rapidly decarbonise the economy. It’s a matter of urgency that we support this, as well as the type of direct action young people like the school strikers are taking.
          https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2019/04/12/on-bbc-two-george-monbiot-had-the-entire-studio-applauding-the-overthrow-of-capitalism/

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            30 Jun: Daily Mail: Left-wing ‘re-education camp’ is accused of training journalists to flood the BBC’s airwaves with pro-Corbyn commentators
            •Pundits who have taken courses with New Economy Organisers Network (Neon) made more than 60 appearances on Corporation’s shows since January
            •When they appear, they rail against the ‘mainstream media’ and traditional capitalism, and are taught how to ‘swerve’ difficult questions
            •Commentators like Grace Blakeley, a member of Neon’s Spokesperson Network, are frequently booked on high-profile programmes such as BBC Radio 4’s Today
            By Glen Owen
            Pundits who have taken courses with the hard-Left New Economy Organisers Network (Neon) have made more than 60 appearances on the Corporation’s shows since January…
            The group’s board of organisers includes Sam Tarry, who organised Mr Corbyn’s leadership campaign…

            Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has personally endorsed the organisation. Neon boasts of ‘over 1,400 high-profile TV/Radio appearances’ in the past five years – with BBC outlets accounting for the majority of them.

            Last night, the BBC faced calls from Chief Secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss to explain why it was seemingly co-operating with Neon’s propaganda push…
            Truss: ‘It’s not as if the Corporation can be unaware as these commentators go on Twitter afterwards to celebrate their appearance.’…
            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7196797/Left-wing-education-camp-floods-TV-Corbynistas.html

            25 Jun: Guardian The Long Read: The new left economics: how a network of thinkers is transforming capitalism
            After decades of rightwing dominance, a transatlantic movement of leftwing economists is building a practical alternative to neoliberalism.
            By Andy Beckett
            “We’re in a time when people are much more open to radical economic ideas,” says Michael Jacobs, a former prime ministerial adviser to Gordon Brown. “The voters have revolted against neoliberalism. The international economic institutions – the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund – are recognising its downsides.”…

            “Economic power and control must rest more equally,” declared a report last year by the New Economics Foundation (NEF), a radical London thinktank that has acted as an incubator for many of the new movement’s members and ideas…

            This ferment is beginning to solidify into a movement. The New Economy Organisers Network (Neon), a NEF spin-off based in London, runs workshops for leftwing activists, to learn how “to build support for a new economy” – for example, by telling effective “stories” about it in the mainstream media…

            Looming over this activity is the possibility, for the first time in decades, of a Labour government receptive to new leftwing economic ideas. “[The shadow chancellor] John McDonnell seems to get it,” says Gordon-Farleigh, guardedly…
            PIC: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at a Green New Deal event in Washington DC, May 2019.

            Instead, Labour have recently begun promoting a version of the Green New Deal: an enticing but still largely theoretical scheme advocated by steadily more leftists and environmentalists in Britain and the US over the past decade. It aims to address the climate emergency and some of capitalism’s problems simultaneously, by a huge increase in government support for green technologies and the highly skilled, hopefully well-paid jobs needed to create them…
            https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jun/25/the-new-left-economics-how-a-network-of-thinkers-is-transforming-capitalism

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              pat

              reminder – ***NEF involvement:

              14 Nov 2012: JoNova: BBC secret exposed: Greenpeace, activists, BP decide what “science” brits see — Hello TwentyEightGate
              Oh the irony. The BBC, supposedly the public owned broadcaster, had a meeting with 28 climate experts in Jan 2006 where it decided on its policies on climate coverage. It led to the extraordinary move of the BBC abandoning any semblance of impartiality (a principle that’s so important it’s written into its charter). In the meantime, the BBC did everything it could to hide those influential experts names. It’s been nearly seven years since the seminar, but now we know why their names were top secret. No one is even pretending this was about “the science”. The BBC has become a PR wing of Greenpeace…
              The List
              January 26th 2006, BBC Television Centre, London
              Andrew Simms, Policy Director, ***New Economics Foundation 9NEF)
              http://joannenova.com.au/2012/11/bbc-secret-exposed-greenpeace-activists-bp-decide-what-sciencebrits-see-hello-twentyeightgate/

              11 Jan 2018: Vice: The Radical Media School Training a Generation of Left-Wing Pundits
              The New Economy Organisers Network is making sure critical voices reach the news
              by Casper Hughes
              Founded in 2013, the New Economy Organisers Network (NEON) is dedicated to training up a new generation of media pundits to shift the national discourse on economic inequality, racism and migrants’ rights, as well as coaching organisers and connecting activist groups. Where, before, TV producers and commissioning editors might not have had the networks to find left-wing voices to talk on these issues, NEON’s training and infrastructure have provided a roster of experts ready-made for media appearances. Since its inception in 2014, NEON-trained spokespeople have made over 700 appearances on shows such as the Today programme, Channel 4 News and Sky’s Morning Papers…

              Originally a part of influential left-wing think-tank, the New Economics Foundation (NEF), NEON was co-founded by Daniel Vockins, 32, as a reaction to “progressive causes losing across the board” in the wake of the financial crisis. From his experiences organising against the marketisation of education at the University of Sussex, to campaigning against climate change for organisation 10:10, Vockins came to believe that the left were fractured around single issue campaigns and needed to coalesce around broader, more systemic answers to the problems they were trying to solve. Moving onto the role of the Head of Campaigns in NEF, Vockins began working on a project called “The Great Transition”, where the seeds of NEON were planted…

              Ashok Kumar, a lecturer in International Political Economy at Birkbeck University, a NEON trainee and a regular pundit on Sky News and the BBC’s World Business Report:
              “On the BBC World Business Report they’ll ask me questions where the hegemonic terms of debate are this unalloyed commitment to profit and capital accumulation,” says Kumar. “But I’m often taking what they’re saying, pivoting and trying to get a political point across that isn’t completely left field, but is perhaps something more radical and outside the terms they have set. I’m perhaps able to get away with it, where maybe presenters would be a little harsher on elected politicians.”…
              https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/9knzw5/the-radical-media-school-training-a-generation-of-left-wing-pundits

              11 Feb: Guardian: The Green New Deal offers radical environmental and economic change
              The proposal is incredibly ambitious, both on climate change and with its reimagining of society
              by Ann Pettifor
              (BOTTOM) Ann Pettifor is Director of Policy Research in Macroeconomics (PRIME) and ***co-author of the original Green New Deal Report (2008)
              (CLICK ON AUTHOR’S NAME AT TOP FOR BIO) Ann Pettifor is director of Prime: Policy Research in Macroeconomics and a fellow of the ***New Economics Foundation.
              https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/11/the-green-new-deal-offers-radical-environmental-and-economic-change

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        Greg in NZ

        “billionaire investors… tackling climate… several feet of snow [sic]“. These singers and actors are a breed apart, are they not.

        Meanwhile, over here (to paraphrase yarpos), our most-southerly council, appropriately named Southland, has resoundingly said NO!!! to this UN-induced mass-hysteria of declaring a cuckoo emergency whatever. When you live in one of the most coldest, rainiest, wild and windswept climates these islands have to offer, your awareness of the weather is an everyday natural thing – if you want to stay alive. However, someone who calls him/her/their/it-self idiot savant, today wrote (on a myPhone in a city café maybe?) –

        http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2019/07/climate-change-southland-doesnt-care.html

        “Southland – land of coal-burning dairy farmers – has become the first region in the country [wrong again - second region] to explicitly vote against declaring a climate emergency. Their reason? They didn’t want to ‘devalue’ the word ‘emergency’”. Sounds reasonable and fair enough to me, well thought-out and practical, and having once lived down there for 6 years, most locals I knew were eagerly looking forward to a little good old-fashioned global warming coming their way… needless to say, 20 years later, they’re still waiting. And in other psycho-crisis news:

        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/393547/council-taken-to-court-over-lack-of-action-on-climate-change

        “Thames-Coromandel Council voted six to three against the declaration in April, much to the dismay of [zombies!] who were at the meeting to lobby the council to take action and sign up… Local environmental group, Hauraki Coromandel Climate Action, has applied to the High Court for a judicial review and an order that the council’s decision be quashed… the group would be setting up an online fundraising campaign to help fund the legal action”.

        What’s that old saying / excuse – it only takes a few bad apples [zombie activists] to ruin the whole country?

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    Maptram

    A comment regarding the blog a couple of days ago about green types objecting to the coal burner who has asked the Emissions Reductions Fund to pay for carbon credits if it upgrades its turbines and makes less CO2. There was a post a few days ago about an ABC program, probably Catalyst or something like that, about Aboriginals in the NT doing cool season burning to reduce the undergrowth and lower the risk of bushfires during the hot season. The cool season burning produces less CO2 than hot season bushfires and an oil company that provides funds, claims carbon credits for the CO2 reduction. I have seen something similar about 4 years ago. So it seems OK for an Oil producer to claim carbon credits but a coal burner can’t get funding to reduce CO2 production.

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    Hanrahan

    O/T but possibly important.

    The blogasphere is abuzz with the fact that VP Pence’s trip was cancelled just before or maybe take off for some domestic appointment. At the same time Putin and other world leaders made unscheduled changes to their itinerary.

    At least 14 Russian sailors died in a submarine fire. My first reading said it was more a deep-diving research vessel with a titanium hull that had to travel on a mothership and had limited time underwater. This doesn’t sound like a nuclear vessel to me. Other reports involve a nuclear sub so maybe there were two incidents. Yet another report says a Russian sub was within US waters off Alaska which fired a torpedo at a shadowing US ship which was scuttled. I must stress that all this is just scuttlebutt.

    Over to you Pat, what do you make of this?

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      Hanrahan

      I’ll dismiss this. The source is DEBKAFile, the propaganda arm of Israeli military forces.

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      Hanrahan

      I’m embarrassed having started this thread. The logical explanation is that when the news of the Russian sub being in difficulties broke, Pence, in the absence of Trump, returned to DC to authorise any assistance to Russia if requested.

      All is good. :)

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    Bill in Oz

    Another example of ‘non science’ in Qld, explored in this Quadrant article about a non threatened finch…
    Threatened by the Adani mine…
    I’d like to say it is just what happens in Queensland nowadays. But this process is common all over !
    https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2019/07/endangered-science/

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      el gordo

      Its my considered opinion that the Finch has been saved by Adani.

      The big breaking nooze is that aunty is talking about natural variability, its a miracle.

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-03/what-caused-the-european-heatwave/11253798

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      Hanrahan

      I read that Quadrant article and it did nothing to allay a suspicion of mine that any finches sighted must have been bussed in, like “crowds” for leftist causes. They must have cried into their chardonnay watching REAL crowds in Hong Kong.

      I’ve spoken of this before so I’ll be brief: Doing a “flyover” of the mine site on google earth does not indicate a haven for grass finches, it lacks both grass [its low scrub] and water. The mannikins I feed are constantly drinking while feeding. There is little to no water on Adani’s lease. If they put in an acre of seeding grass and a birdbath, any finches would love it.

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    Bill in Oz

    T’was never threatened E G
    Except in the deluded minds of the Labor bureaucrats
    And the Greenist partners

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    pat

    have posted various stuff about New Economy Organisers Network (NEON) in this thread. figured they’d have a presence in Australia. haven’t looked far, but this stuff is from this year:

    Global Messaging Program: Global Advanced Messaging and Narrative Program 2019
    A course for communicators from North America, UK, Europe, Australia and New Zealand to gain the tools and experience to analyse, reframe, test and deliver more effective messages and narratives for progressive victories.
    Applications cose on March 30…
    The program has been developed by Anat Shenker Osorio (USA) and delivered in association with Australian Progress (Australia) and the ***New Economy Organisers Network (United Kingdom).

    Anat Shenker Osorio examines why certain messages falter where others deliver…
    Anat delivers her findings packed in snark at venues such as the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Centre for Australian Progress, Irish Migrant Centre, Open Society Foundations, Ford Foundation and LUSH International.
    Her writing and research is profiled in The Atlantic, Boston Globe, Salon, The Guardian and Grist among others.
    https://www.globalmessagingprogram.com/

    Global Messaging Program: About
    The good news is that the facts are on our side. But those who win the narrative battles get to write the policy, so being correct is insufficient…
    The program will kick-off with an opening workshop, 23-25 June in Melbourne, Australia to learn the basics of decoding language for greatest impact. While in Australia, participants also have the option to attend Progress 2019, a major Australian progressive conference, held June 20-21…

    The Global Advanced Messaging and Narrative Program 2019 is led by Anat Shenker Osorio in association with Australian Progress and ***NEON.
    https://www.globalmessagingprogram.com/about

    terrible page but worth checking some of these people who believe they are “progressive”. Agenda can be accessed at top of page as well:

    Progress 2019: Speaker List
    (MASSES OF PICS – CLICK TO IDENTIFY – GETUP, ANNA ROSE, NEON, ACF, GREENPEACE, ETC)
    Principal Partner: Bank Australia
    Major Partners: RMIT, Future Super, Purpose, The Guardian etc
    Partners: City of Melbourne
    Australian Progress Inner Circle: ActionAid Oxfam, Australian Conservation Foundation, Climate Action Network Australia,
    https://www.progress2019.org.au/speakerslist

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    sophocles

    Yee Haa!

    Ben Davidson (Suspicious Observers) caught my attention with this paper this morning:
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf

    titled: No Experimental Evidence for the Significant Anthropogenic Climate Change J Kauppinen and P Malmi. 2019

    Take aways:
    Low cloud cover controls practically the global temperature.
    Climate Sensitivity is 0.24°C
    Because the low clouds control, there is practically no anthropogenic [contribution to] climate change.

    Thank you Ben.

    The IPCC can pack up and go home.
    We can tell the UN to push off!

    I’m off to read the paper more thoroughly and look into the papers it references.

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      Kinky Keith

      Don’t tell me!

      Has it really started?

      Does this truth telling paper signify the beginning of the End.

      KK

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    dp

    The science is unsettling because the experts are inexpert at what they know the best. Confidence level: 0

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    observa

    Spot the problem with the usual?

    Within the past few months, there have been dozens of people to contract the flesh-eating bacteria as climate change fuels the spread of the feared bugs in once-safe oceans, a new study suggested in June.

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    observa

    Lest we forget eh doomsdayers?

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    Following up on the media bias at the BBC and ABC highlighted here by Jo, a campaign has started to hold the BBC to account for its blatant bias through a judicial review. A crowd-funding appeal to fund the action has been launched. Its focus is on that the BBC’s internal processes to ensure impartiality are not robust or independent enough. Details of the case are on the Crowd Justice website: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/stopbbcbias/.

    All help, especially in helping to spread the message and support the action, gratefully received!

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