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Oregon Democrats say climate bill is “dead”. Republican senators wait in hiding. “Prove it”.

Oregon’s Eleven Update: The eleven Republican Senators remain in hiding to block a vote on the HB2020 Cap N Trade bill. The ruling Democrats have now said the bill is dead — even suggesting that they don’t have the numbers in the Senate themselves. But Republicans are wondering if that’s just a ploy to trick them into returning. After all, if the Democrats didn’t have enough votes from their own Senators why did they put the bill up for a vote?

Oregon's eleven wanted Senators

If the State Troopers caught them, would they detain them “in the Chamber”?

So much for a high trust society:

Top Oregon Democrats Say Climate Change Bill Is Dead After GOP Senators Fled the State

Chip Browlee, Slate

What I’m about to say, I say of my own free will. No one has told me to say this,” said Democratic Oregon Senate President and possible hostage Peter Courtney, according to Oregon Public Broadcasting. “House Bill 2020 does not have the votes on the Senate floor. That will not change.” Gov. Kate Brown, who last week ordered state police to track down missing Republicans, also conceded Tuesday that the legislation was dead, but she blamed Republicans for blocking a bill “that provides a better future for our state and for our children, and the tactics they employed to do so are not just unacceptable, but dangerous.”

It’s rural Deplorables versus the inner city Cafe Latte set

Gillian Flaccus, ABC News

Oregon has a national reputation as a liberal bastion best known for its craft beer, doughnuts and award-winning wine. But while its cities lean left, about 40% of residents — mostly those in rural areas — consistently vote Republican, said Priscilla Southwell, a University of Oregon professor who wrote “Governing Oregon.”

“The reality is that it is a much more divided state than people realize,” she said. “It’s kind of like a perfect storm for this kind of thing to happen.”

That political divide also translates to an economic chasm for many. As Portland has boomed, huge swaths of the state have been left without enough money to keep libraries open or fully staff sheriff’s departments.

For the ABC (USA) it’s not a bad attempt to explain the divide, though they quote some academic saying the climate bill can be portrayed as a stand-in for “a number of concerns” — as if the idea of dramatically transforming the economy of one US state in order to change the weather was not stupid enough to warrant desperate action.

The polarization grows and the only thing that can stop it is fair and free speech.

More than anything, the west needs a civilized conversation.

 

 

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155 comments to Oregon Democrats say climate bill is “dead”. Republican senators wait in hiding. “Prove it”.

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    TdeF

    Would a politician lie? Would they promise one thing and do another? Would they look after themselves first and their electors second, if at all?
    Would they ignore what the whole country had demanded in a referendum?

    This high farce is about the extreme left wanting to burden everyone in society with their story of runaway Global Warming, rapidly rising oceans and drowning polar bears when almost everyone now admits this is not happening. And 31 years now after it was announced as fact, never was. There never was any ‘Science’.

    The real Climate Catastrophe is that anyone believed in the first place.

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      TdeF

      Listening to people who planned to vote for Donald Trump prior to the 2016 election, a very common story was that they liked him because he was not a politician. Sure, he was rich, but you have to be rich these days. People don’t care about rich in an aspirational society.

      Also if anyone could really find something really bad in his past or present, it would have been a book or two, or a mini series by now starring Alec Baldwin.
      A fart in an elevator would be a TV series. A bit like Boris Johnston who is recorded by his Tory hating neighbours who called the police.

      So you really have heard the very worst, which is a hell of lot better than most politicians.
      Books on the real Clinton family would be banned, or at least kept under the counter.

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      Democrats attempting something underhanded? Nevah!

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      ColA

      One step forwards … 2 steps backwards

      The Right Honourable Theresa May MP Prime Minister of the United Kingdom has pulled a Turnbull and left her curses on party and country as she EXITS a FAILURE!!

      https://www.thegwpf.com/house-of-lords-rebuke-government-for-rushing-through-net-zero/

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Politicians refusing to work? Bring in some replacements, that’s what would happen if this was a normal labour strike.

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      AndyG55

      The Republican politicians ARE working.

      They are doing everything they can to block the moronic idiocy that people like you espouse.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        How? You have to be at the worksite. Running away and hiding is the way a 3 year old would respond.

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          Bill in Oz

          “The worksite ” ?
          So you think that for pollies ?
          The ‘worksite’ Is only in the legislative chamber ?
          Now you are trolling the other leg…
          And trolling dopily as well.
          You have an obligation to be clever or amusing.
          When trolling/

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          czechlist

          The dims have done this on several occasions. I recall the 12 Texas dim “Killer Bees” ran to Oklahoma back in ’79 and the press treated them as heroes. And what legislation was so dire? Bills to move up the primary election date and related filing fees!!

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            Peter Fitzroy

            So czechlist, if someone else does something stupid, that is a justification for you to do the same thing? eg billy put his hand in the fire, so I can too. This is still kindergarten stuff

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              AndyG55

              What is YOUR excuse for ALWAYS saying stupid and ignorant things, PF?

              Yes, your comments really are kindergarten stuff.

              Hypocrisy and deceit are your only qualities..

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              Fred Streeter

              Bills to move up the primary election date and related filing fees

              That is certainly not likely to adversely impact the lives and livelihood of the State’s populace. So the Democrats’ actions were somewhat stupid.

              However, actions taken to avert AGW certainly would have an adverse impact, no matter how well meant.

              So, given that AGW is, as yet, unproven, the Senators were right to avert the inevitable result of the vote in any way possible.

              (FYI – I am “green” – but with a small G – and have never voted Conservative in my life.)

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          AndyG55

          Again with the non-thinking idiocy, PF.

          Their work place is where-ever and how-ever they can best support their constituents.

          That is their job, and they are doing it.

          Stop your childish whimpering.

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      Bill in Oz

      Republican senators doing their duty
      For their voters
      And being punished with US $500 fines per person per day !
      Now those type of pollies I well worth applauding !

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      el gordo

      Civil disobedience is to be admired, they are the heroes of the revolution.

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        theRealUniverse

        Yes a right revolution is more unusual!
        Although I would have thought they could veto it? Just not vote.

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        Bill in Oz

        E G Off topic link for you about the Bradfield scheme.
        Interesting and detailed rebuttal of the RMIT report shafting of it.
        https://medium.com/@creativeinternationalau/hybrid-bradfield-b751d0d533ba

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          KinkyKeith

          Interesting.

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          el gordo

          ‘A major source of bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef is the fresh water plumes and sediment coming from these rivers in flood.’

          First I’ve heard of that, solar irradiance and hot water is the accepted wisdom.

          Anyway, Ord Ord Ord for me.

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            Bill in Oz

            The Ord river scheme has been there since the 1960′s.
            It could be developed more.
            There is plenty of water stored in lake Argyle.
            (All from previous wet seasons ! )
            But it is far far away from the rest of Australia
            And can make zip impact on the MD basin
            Or the Western slopes of Qld.
            So…… Better the Bradfield scheme for me.

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              Another Ian

              Bill,

              If you’ve been to Lake Argyle you’ve likely been on the lookout above the dam?

              Well if they need more water thay can raise the wall up to there. Might be a while, as they have more than enough water to cover Ord 2.

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              el gordo

              A large pipe from Lake Argyle to western Queensland and the MDB would only cost a few billion dollars, completed in 18 months and no environmental angst.

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          Jonesy

          This should be a thread on its own. So, between the lines. The 1947 beat up was to ensure Queensland didnt get the money over the southern states to enact the Snowy scheme. Victoria missed out on money for the Kiewa scheme hence, Victoria got a share of the power.

          But the takeout is that Bradfield was right all along.

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          Another Ian

          BTW

          He is on the Honour Boards at Ipswich Grammar School

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        Peter Fitzroy

        so you support the climate protests by extinction rebellion? Or is your view more nuanced

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          Bill in Oz

          The protests by ‘Extinction rebellion’
          Are just a bunch of young loony scared cult followers.
          They all need teddy bears to cuddle.
          So perhaps we should start a ‘Go Fund Me’
          Campaign to provide some for the
          Poor dears.

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          AndyG55

          You are a deceitful prat, PF,

          ER have disrupted normal people’s lives, made a mockery of civilised behaviour, just like you do…

          The republicans have not disrupted anyone’s lives except the low-life anti-science totalitarian fascist, Democrat thugs and their AGW trough-swilling hangers-on.

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    AndyG55

    I would NEVER trust a politician, let alone a socialist left-wing politician, to ever tell the actual truth.

    Leftists talking ??? They are intent on deceit. Its the ONLY way they know.

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    AndyG55

    “and the tactics they employed to do so are not just unacceptable,”

    Yet the democrats have used this very tactic before.

    HYPOCRISY and DECEIT.. the leftist memes.

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    OriginalSteve

    Its interesting how the backlash is starting to really get going now….

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      KinkyKeith

      That’s true, in discussions, but didn’t someone say that this Scam was a $31 trillion dollar thing?

      How much of the ripoff from this has been turned around or curtailed? That’s the main test of progress.

      Even if only 10 % of the turnover had been “sequestered” in Suisse banks the Elites running this will be very happy.

      Have just driven past a new solar installation that seems to be about 300 metres across and 100 metres deep. Makes me want to throw up.

      In 10 years time when no benefit has been received, it will have to be dismantled and scrapped.

      Then they will plant rice or Dragon fruit again.

      World War 111, and hardly any resistance because nobody can see the fighting ( banks transfers )).

      KK

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    mmxx

    I didn’t think US Democrats (state or federal) have been doing any governing since January 2017.

    They seemed fully distracted and way too busy looking for any way to impeach President Trump.

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      TdeF

      Yes, having wasted so much time for so many people and $20+million in expenses trying to find this Russian collusion, they now want to impeach Donald Trump for trying to stop the madness. They even argue that while nothing happened, he has not been exonerated. You do not have to be exonerated in a country where there is a presumption of innocence and Mueller has found he was innocent.

      Seriously now they want him to be impeached for resisting being investigated on made up charges as if he was obstructing justice? What justice?
      An apology would be more in order in this unprecedented assault on a President.

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        TdeF

        Or technically, as a Democrat friendly prosecutor, Mueller found no evidence whatever of guilt. He should investigate the Clintons, and Comey and Loretta Lynch and … but Barr will be doing that.

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      Curious George

      They have to protect the poor from unfortunate results of elections.

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    pat

    26 Jun: France24: AFP: Net-zero: climate-saving target or delay tactic?
    BONN: Richard Black, director of the Energy and Climate Intelligence Unit, which tracks where nations are on net-zero pledges, said the target was “probably the best single indicator of whether a nation is serious about delivering what it promised” in the Paris deal.
    The European Union failed last week to agree to the 2050 goal, with some member states saying more discussion was needed…
    Yvon Slingenberg, director of the European Commission’s international policymaking division, told AFP she was confident that all EU states would back the 2050 goal by the end of the year…

    But the real emissions cuts will come from industry. Construction, transport, energy and agriculture all need sharp emissions reductions — though national net-zero plans have so far fleshed out little in this regard…
    The additional question of carbon-heavy aviation and maritime transport, which is by nature international, has yet to be successfully addressed.

    Net-zero “will require a genuine transformation of the energy that we use, the way we’re gonna heat our homes, the way we travel,” said Archie Young, head of Britain’s delegation in Bonn.
    ***”It is a true economy-wide transformation.”…
    https://www.france24.com/en/20190626-net-zero-climate-saving-target-or-delay-tactic

    ***and it’s because of global heating!

    26 Jun: NoTricksZone: Austrian Weather Agency: “Glaciers Have Recovered” Due To A “Snowy Winter”…Record June Snow Depth!
    By P Gosselin
    Austrian ZAMG national weather service here reports (LINK) that the “glaciers have recovered” in the Alps due to a “snowy winter”…
    ZAMG confirmed that last winter, the glaciers in the Hohe Tauern have grown more strongly than they have for 20 years…READ ON
    https://notrickszone.com/2019/06/26/austrian-weather-agency-glaciers-have-recovered-due-to-a-snowy-winter-record-june-snow-depth/

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      Greg in NZ

      Confused? Don’t worry – just believe! “Rising NZ emissions sparks call for transport crackdown“. Crackdown? On personal mobility?

      “A leading climate scientist says… emissions between 1990 and 2017 [rose by] 23.1 per cent”. This article was from back in April but I heard some ‘expert’ on the radio today exclaiming this was new and dangerous and woe betide us heathen carbon [sic] polluters…

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12221417

      Then again, just to really really confuse the slaves oops taxpayers today –

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/113806480/greenhouse-gas-emissions-have-barely-budged-in-a-decade-new-data-shows

      NZ’s “greenhouse gas emissions have flat-lined over the last decade, with households bucking a worldwide trend by steadily increasing their impact on the climate [what?] Total national emissions decreased 0.9 per cent between 2007 and 2017 (the most recent data available) The data suggests particular struggles for two sectors: agriculture and households”. Ain’t that the whole point, comrade?

      Parts of Auckland woke to -1˚C today (30˚F). Sure hope none of the Stinky Webellion moral brigade were making use of dirty polluting electricity (for heaters or electric blankets or coffee machines or charging their scooters) or wearing thermal underwear or gloves or beanies or shoes…

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        theRealUniverse

        Thing is NZ doesnt have much of ‘dirty emitters’ in the electric generation dept. Most comes from a certain amount of water going downhill, dont even need to pump it uphill again.

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        theRealUniverse

        Also..“A leading climate scientist alarmist paid stooge says…”. That in itself is cause for worry, taking note of what the (fake) scientists on kool aid speak.

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        OriginalSteve

        “Rising NZ emissions sparks call for transport crackdown“. Crackdown? On personal mobility? ”

        Yes – this has always been about *control* – control of your family, control of how much energy you use, control of your beliefs ( e.g. PC and Israel Folau and religious feeedom ), control of your thoughts.

        Electric cars stop youtravelling too far, force you out of your freedom machines 9 normal cars ) and force you to be tied to the Nanny State.

        Agenda 21 and UNB Rewilding programs are set up to force people out of the contryside into massive cities were people can be controlled and monitored ( and possibly forcibly …”mamaged”….. moooo…….*bang*……as needed ).

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    pat

    behind paywall, but amusing. what a difference a few hours make:

    Carbon Pulse: EU Market: Specs boost EUAs to 2-mth high as heatwave, supply drought support
    Published 18:16 on June 26, 2019 Last updated at 18:46 on June 26, 2019
    European carbon was propelled to a two-month high on Wednesday, as a second day of no new supply coming to market, a continental heatwave, and speculative buying combined to send prices markedly higher…

    Carbon Pulse: Analysts cut EUA forecasts as Brexit risks weigh, investors drain from market
    Published 22:09 on June 26, 2019 / Last updated at 00:21 on June 27, 2019
    Analysts have cut their EUA prices forecasts for the remainder of the year by 9-13%, as Brexit risks loom larger and investor interest drains from the market…

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      tom0mason

      Funny that as the EU with no real reason decided to devalue the EU€ against the US$ earlier in the month.
      Humm, have they been buying the European carbon bonds to boost the price?

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    pat

    another classic from the Trump Admin. still hung up that Trump says climate goes “both ways”! how mad are the alarmists?

    no video of Perdue interview in this or anywhere else, for now:

    25 Jun: CNN: Agriculture Secretary Perdue on climate crisis: ‘It rained yesterday, it’s a nice pretty day today’
    By Kate Sullivan and Vanessa Yurkevich
    Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue cited weather patterns and said “it rained yesterday, it’s a nice pretty day today” when asked about the cause of the global climate crisis in an interview with CNN.
    Perdue joins President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence as the latest senior administration official to question the near universal consensus in the scientific community that the global climate crisis is man-made.

    Perdue told CNN’s Vanessa Yurkevich in the interview released Tuesday that “we don’t know” the cause of climate change, adding, “and obviously scientists — many scientists believe that it’s human caused, other scientists believe it’s not,” Perdue
    “So if it’s not human caused, then what is it?” Yurkevich asked.
    “You know, I think it’s weather patterns, frankly. And you know, and they change, as I said. It rained yesterday, it’s a nice pretty day today. So the climate does change in short increments and in long increments,” Perdue responded…

    Trump has repeatedly made false statements about climate change. A recent example is when the President told British TV host Piers Morgan, “I believe that there is a change in weather and I think it changes ***both ways.”…

    Asked if Trump believes in climate change, Perdue told CNN he hasn’t talked about that issue with the President — but speculated he’s concerned about rain.
    “I think the President feels that(sic) I do, he’s a golfer, so sometimes he knows he gets rained out and sometimes it doesn’t, but the long term consequences, I don’t know,” Perdue said.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/25/politics/sonny-perdue-agriculture-secretary-climate-crisis/index.html

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    TdeF

    The video posted by David Maddison on Portland, Oregon was really depressing. A socialist takeover which makes Venezuela look attractive.
    https://youtu.be/aSw79yRnDVs

    Parts of Melbourne are the same. We were also told by the Police Commissioner, the one who went to dinner at the pub in the middle of the bushfire disaster, that South Sudanese were ‘not overrepresented in the crime statistics’. She lied. Now we are told they are 57x more likely to be involved and that in the most violent crimes. The socialist view of the world is that everything is fine, there is no criminality, no problem, until it all falls apart and you run out of other people’s money.

    I would run away too. Most people would. We are still running 90% of the time on coal fired electricity, but we are paying 5x as much for the same stuff, delivered on the same wires from the same people.
    Please explain why? Where is OUR money going? Don’t tell me it’s to save the planet. That’s not even funny.

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      KinkyKeith

      When this hits the wall it’s going to be catastrophic.

      I’d liken it to a 30,000 crowd of really high soccer or rugby league fans coming out after a Sunday afternoon match and having to go back to their boring suburban life, and worse, then saddle up for work early Monday morning.

      We’ve had nearly 50 years of political fantasy and it’s going to explode soon I hope.

      The world needs New Direction.

      As Trump would say, Biggly!

      KK

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    pat

    can’t help themselves:

    25 Jun: Scientific American: Major Medical Groups Release Call to Action on Climate Change
    by Maya Earls, E&E
    More than 70 medical and public health organizations issued a call to action on climate change yesterday, calling it the “greatest public health challenge of the 21st century.”…
    The climate agenda (LINK) urges government officials and policymakers to take on a series of priorities, including shifting away from coal and natural gas to renewable energy, supporting greenhouse gas emission reductions, and ensuring residents have access to safe and affordable drinking water.

    Groups backing the agenda include the American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics and American Heart Association. Deborah Brown, chief mission officer at the American Lung Association, said making the changes outlined in the agenda will result in immediate health improvements…ETC
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/major-medical-groups-release-call-to-action-on-climate-change/

    it’s never enough:

    25 Jun: ClimateChangeNews: France off track for ‘ambitious’ climate goal, advisers warn
    By Megan Darby
    France must triple the pace of emissions reductions to live up to its climate ambition, government advisers have warned…
    https://climatechangenews.com/2019/06/25/france-urged-speed-climate-action-meet-net-zero-goal/

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      TdeF

      I have great sympathy with the medicos. They believe it all, but in their lives, no one lied to them. They studied hard, learned everything and they are busy people who just read headlines. They dispute nothing.

      The sad contradiction is that these are really smart people who care a great deal but they have been on a treadmill since school and lack the experience of doubting people. A policeman knows that the person making the complaint is as likely to be the villain in the piece. And a criminal lawyer has to believe his client or there would be no jobs. Honest people are rarely on criminal charges. Few people lie to doctors. What would be the point?

      So they are told there is a major problem with CO2. They believe it. They want it fixed. They care. They are completely misinformed and manipulated by opportunists. Which is sad.

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      theRealUniverse

      “More than 70 medical and public health organizations issued a call to action on climate change yesterday” So exactly what part of medical training gives them any authority to comment or make claims on geophysical problems, (that dont exist of course) Not that theyd have 1 ef…ing clue if it hit them in the head.

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    Yonniestone

    One day this would make a good movie , comedy, tragedy or history will depend on the director I guess.

    Its really quite bizarre and reminds me of political stories from the early days of the republic which were a bit wild.

    Perhaps a return to dramatic political actions of the few would be good for the people, and I mean this type of damaging bill blocking not not another bunch of lefties marching or crying over invented SJW issues that do nothing but irritate the crap out of normal people.

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    Trust, hmmm yes, but verify, V-E-R-I-F-Y.

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    Trust, hmmm yes, but verify, V-E-R-I-F-Y.

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    Sorry didn’t know I double clicked but, say, mebbe bears repeatin’.* )

    * or mebbe not.

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    TdeF

    It’s a wonder of worldwide cooordination, the way the left control language. There must be a brain bug behind it. (Starship Troopers)

    This is a CLIMATE bill, not a Global Warming bill. The Democratic conventions is all about “Corporate Bashing, Amnesty, Climate Change ”

    When was the last time you saw Global Warming? Of course if I suggest this is all coordinated, that makes me a conspiracy theorist, but judge for yourself.
    Remember six months ago when statues in the US, Australia and the UK were all vandalized within a week? Coincidence?

    So on the one hand, we have won. Global Warming is dead. It died because there is simply no warming, even with all the fiddling assistance the BOM can give.
    This is despite the fact that three people have died in France from sudden heat stress. Apparently. That warming is deadly.
    Seriously, does anyone really believe a difference of say 0.1C in ten years is going to affect the weather when it varies 10-40C a day, depending on where you live?.

    So according to the Democrats and Labor and the Greens, Long Live Climate Change. Climate Catastrophe.
    And their capitalist partners say Climate Armageddon rich.
    No one even bothers to justify it. Consensus. Just send all your cash. We promise to save you.

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      KinkyKeith

      To annul the extra 0.1 C° all we need to do is move 30 km closer to whichever pole you’re near.

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      theRealUniverse

      The climate madness is totally propagated by ANY weather event extreme or just unusual or even usual but slightly heavier than expected, minor floods -> major flodds, warmer than expected weather -> extreme heatwave, colder than expected -> extreme cold snow in summer etc. The odd tornado in ‘tornado alley’ whats new? The odd cyclone/hurricane cat 4 -> cat 5 oops! Must be the infernal ‘climate change’ hobgoblin.

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      TdeF

      John Cook has a good B.Sc(Hons) in Physics, unlike Tim Flannery. Cook’s PhD however is in the psychology department, a thing called Cognitive Science?
      Nothing about climate or meteorology, but after a career as a graphic artist and web designer he started his Skeptical Science blog.
      How such people get to be experts in climate or weather is beyond me.

      To send out a questionairre to 10,000 people, mostly meteorologists as far as I can tell and one way or another cull it to 100 responses is amazing and by sheer fluke, they supported man made Climate Change. If it was cherry picking, the tree would be stripped to 100 cherries first.

      However Cook is one of the most famous enablers of this made up Global Warming. His blatantly manufactured conclusion is still convincing people and is often quoted. However in surveys of meteorologists, half don’t believe it.

      Slight warming was obvious anyway after the little ice age and for that the world is grateful. That mankind had anything to do with this slight warming is both unlikely and completely unproven.

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      ivan

      You have my sympathy.

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      KinkyKeith

      Interesting Jim.

      The whole problem is highlighted there in the first third of the first video.

      He believes the weight of Opinion.

      He has been mislead and could not envisage that he is now a victim of the latest gigantic scam of a size and scale that both H!tler and Pol Pot would be envious of.

      Oregon is an interesting development.

      KK

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    TdeF

    The other thing I find very odd about this Global Warming $1.5Trillion dollars a year is that there are no metrics. How are we going? How much has been achieved? Have we, the suffering masses, achieved anything? How are we going to tell if we are winning? Do we expect to make a difference?

    You see no one is telling us how all this massive spending will benefit us. And no one is telling us how we will know. That’s because it’s not true. If it was true, there would be a sign after 31 years. Or having achieved absolutely nothing, we could spend twice as much? Why? All we hear is shut down your power plants and buy windmills. After 350,000 windmills, how’s that going? Or shouldn’t we ask?

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      TdeF

      No targets. No expectations. No reporting. No impact on growing CO2 levels. Just Climate Catastrophe, send money or it’s your fault.

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        BoyfromTottenham

        To misquote Karl Marx, the Global warming fraud looks like the UN is trying to create “the dictatorship of the Climatariat” . Except that Lenin was the dictator in the Russian revolution, not “the proletariat”. Get it?

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        KinkyKeith

        Again, great clarity, thanks.

        I feel great sadness for humanity, that we are so incapable of evolving to move forward.

        Instead we have this continuous series of “wars to end all wars” that require and demand our total sacrifice.

        This current “world climate conflict” has damaged progress and truth and hope so badly that it’s time it was acknowledged for what it is;

        World War 111.

        KK

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      theRealUniverse

      Or shouldn’t we ask? NO definitely not, shshs, never ask how anything is working to solve anything, just pay up and shutup!

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    cedarhill

    Democrats are institutional liars. Oregon Republicans may finally have gotten that message.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    One good thing about campaign season:

    Most of the world has to live with a dominant ‘mainstream’ media that is somewhere between a state-run propaganda machine and a protected monopoly leftist oriented privately run propaganda machine.
    Even where there is a free press in parallel, most ideas outside the mainstream of approved thought don’t enter most people’s sphere of consciousness.

    The exception is during a political campaign.

    A statement by a candidate in a high profile speech, or maybe even in a tweet, can break through.

    “the signpost up ahead…the twilight zone”.

    D Trump (fantasy) tweet: “Reason to ignore the fake news on climate? The temperature data is fake. I’m going to put an Inspector General into NOAA and insist on an audit of how they have changed temperature records to lie about climate change. And most of our thermometers are in the wrong place. and some whole countries have a single thermometer”.

    Ignorant reports cause a Google spike in rush to prove president wrong. Some find strange sites discussing issue, even in faraway places like Australia. The problem is front of mind for a news cycle or two.

    Maybe more if the left provides sufficiently outrageous sound bites. They will. Give us money or you’re all gonna die.

    & there will be a takeaway…hard to predict….by the ordinary voter. Most likely “my electric bill will triple, and I’ll need to ride mass transit”.

    Depending on how I vote.

    We can hope.

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    Lionell Griffith

    How to stop feeding them:

    1. If you are not there, they can’t find you.
    2. If you don’t have it, they can’t steal it.
    3. If you don’t produce it, they can’t tax it.
    4. They cannot continue for long on their own because they depend upon you continuing to be there, have it, and produce it so they can take it and tax it.
    5. They are terrified that you will discover the above.

    Looks like the Republicans in Oregon have discovered it and are in the process of implementation. Good for them.

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    TdeF

    It is also clear that the left of politics has dumped any pretense of scientific support. Confident would be PM Bill Shorten just labelled anyone asking about cost benefit to be knuckle draggers, deplorables. Save the planet. Hand over the cash. Trust your politicians.

    So they fall back to John Cook’s fake 97% agree, the IPCC and 31 years of educating a whole generation in the story.

    I can only think this is a last gasp before the collapse. Real temperature models which fit show rapid declines in global temperature coming in the next five years. It has started with extended snow seasons. They can play up the summer as a long hot record breaking summer, but it just started at the end of June. Record snow is melting now but they may still be skiiing in Colorado on July 4th

    No, the Profiteers of Doom have to sell as many windmills and solar panels and desalination plants as possible before it all comes tumbling down.
    So what’s the next big profitable scare? The democrats are going with Russia. After all, the mess is all their doing and Trump is trying to sort it out. According to the Democrats, Russia is the only enemy and Iran and North Korea and China are trustworthy. Typical of the Democrats to put their faith in absolute dictatorships, not least Venezuela and Cuba.

    Global Warming is dead. Climate Change cannot exist without Global Warming. It’s over.

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      Kinky Keith

      There’s only one big problem.

      Humanity doesn’t live in the real world, most people live in a fantasy world of perfect leaders and totally trustworthy government.

      Real change won’t occur until humanity is shaken awake by some future catastrophic event.

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        theRealUniverse

        ‘Humanity doesn’t live in the real world.’..not in general but i think there is an awareness of the spying, big data collection, farcebook scandals etc that has been going on that maybe the great masses will wake that all is a giant ponsy scam and theyve been taken for a ride, hopefully. Maybe too late. I think allot of people dont believe as much as the idiots that try to run our lives think.

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          Kinky Keith

          We can hope.
          In a sane world I wouldn’t want scomo and crew running the country.
          He’s a politician and is buying votes by trying to straddle both camps, the realists and the unrealists.KK
          I guess he’s guided in his actions by the voting behaviour of Victoriastan.

          OK, now he’s In. Does he have the guts to post Reality up on the national noticeboard and say: we absolutely must have modern HELE coal fired electric generation.

          Perhaps he’s a Faux leader and will keep straddling until the two camps move so far apart that he gets split up the middle.

          Peter C has shown us that many Aussies see the problem and have given much personally to offer us the opportunity for change.

          That effort from Cory and crew has not been wasted and will send a message to both libs and labs and help them to choose a better path.

          That path, is Not Renewables.

          KK

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    DayHay

    Oregon emits 0.7% of the total USA output of CO2. We are statistically unable to affect global anything. So why do we need to be punished? One part of the bill outlaws diesel vehicles older than 2006, which are owned by every business in the state. Just like Australia emits 1.6% of the world’s output of CO2, your reduction of your contribution to global CO2 is insignificant. But it looks like you have the same idiots in power like we do.

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      AndyG55

      “One part of the bill outlaws diesel vehicles older than 2006,”

      Imagining what would have happened to Shorten’s union support if he had suggested that one. ;-)

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        Another Ian

        Careful there!

        They might all like the idea of driving new trucks.

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          AndyG55

          so long as “the Government” (ie someone else), pays for them.

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          Kinky Keith

          Not if they have the repayments to make on borrowing for more pure form of carrier.

          Forty dollars a week just to hold the new finance.
          Plus eighty dollars a week to pay it off over 10 years.

          But hell, it’s a small price to “save de planet”.

          KK

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      theRealUniverse

      Count the number of molecules per 100 billion that (.7% of USA contribution) is in the WHOLE atmospheric volume! THEN it will look even more ridiculous. Real numbers are too scary for the morons that push this stuff. They like the words Giga this and that to look BAD and scare the proletariat. Its laughable.

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    Another Ian

    Political research!

    “Bawliwood”

    “The photos show an emotional AOC holding her face and appearing to cry. Her attention appears to be directed towards whatever is on the other side of the fence…”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2019/06/27/bawliwood/

    The link headline:-

    “Photos Reveal AOC Was Crying Over an Empty Parking Lot”

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    Kinky Keith

    Why do people bother reading and putting a red tick on comments by Feter PitzRoy.

    Sure, they are representative of the $1.3 trillion annual scam but comments by others detail that far better and from a grounding of reality.

    No comment, no opinion, no meaningful engagement, no science and no point; just verbal diarrear, intrusion and blog clogging.

    Affected outrage at our collective inability to “understand” his truth, whatever that might be.

    KK

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      Bill in Oz

      Keith think of of him as part of
      an intellectual ‘inoculation’ process.
      It’s somewhat annoying
      For those of us who are regular commentators.
      But there are lots of others who simply read. silently
      For them his comments and our numerous replies.
      Serve those silent readers
      Also it serves to improve our ability to be patient.

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      el gordo

      ‘… our collective inability to “understand” his truth, whatever that might be.’

      If you would care to step outside your cone of silence there is a world view, its the scientific paradigm.

      Bill has it about right, witty and intellectual banter to match Jo’s excellent posts. I see PF as a necessary counterpoint and with thousands of brainwashed millennials reading his every word its an opportunity to develop our collective sense of humour.

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        Kinky Keith

        Whatever FP says is RUBBISH and for a site trying to establish a reality for us I believe strongly that to let that rubbish pass as reality is not being smart.

        This site also has a core acknowledgement that CO2 causes some warming.

        I do not subscribe to that view.

        The world is a complicated place.

        KK

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        AndyG55

        ” I see PF as a necessary counterpoint “

        No, all his comments are basically POINTLESS, not counter, because they are backed by absolutely nothing.

        Its just mindless obnoxious trolling.

        Even he knows that !!

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      theRealUniverse

      “The book calls for the overthrow of capitalism en route to a mightily shrunken non–consumerist “eco-socialism”… MSSI last March also published an update by the Gleeson/Alexander duo, “showcasing new and exciting sustainability knowledge”.”
      THIS is exactly what the whole climate-warming movement is about, NOTHING to do with science, its about TOTAL control. Best way to fight it is to convince the masses they WILL be under control of totalitarian freaks and have NO rights and live in abject poverty under them just like slaves.
      IT is totally FASCIST. These climate idiots are totalitarian monster criminals who are trying to take over.

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      el gordo

      The edifice only survives on imminent catastrophism, these Establishment boffins need ridiculing.

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    Travis T. Jones

    I’m not saying’ it might be aliens or something, but, it seems at the very least aliens have sucked out the brains of the scientists …

    Did climate change destroy the aliens?

    https://thebulletin.org/2019/06/did-climate-change-destroy-the-aliens/

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      theRealUniverse

      THEN they said this,”Our species has increased Earth’s average temperature by only slightly more than 1 degree ” gives them allot of (non) credibility doesnt it .
      A few facts on interstellar travel. You cant travel through the light cone! (warp speed doesnt exist, even if youtubers say it does!) Distances involved require life to have ages exceeding 10s of thousands of years at even 20% of the speed of light. Interstellar space will be extremely hazardous to any biological multi cellular life form. Thats a few reasons. No we havent been visited, even Hawkins dint think so.

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    pat

    27 Jun: Salem StatesmanJournal: Log trucks arriving in Salem for demonstration creating traffic backups
    by David Davis
    UPDATE at 11 a.m.:
    Hundreds of loggers rallied on the Capitol steps Thursday against a greenhouse gas emissions cap-and-trade bill and in support of 11 absconded Republican senators who continued their walkout protest for the eighth consecutive day.
    It was one of the largest rallies of the 2019 legislative session, complete with flags, signs and songs and made all the more overwhelming by the blaring of horns from the constant stream of semi-trucks, pickups and farm equipment that drove past the Capitol on Court Street.
    For the latest on the protest see the updated article ***LINK

    Original post:
    A convoy of trucks arriving in Salem for a demonstration against House Bill 2020 is causing traffic delays across the city.
    Streets surrounding the Capitol including Court Street NE, Cottage Street NE, State Street NE and 12th Street NE will all see delays throughout the day, according to Salem Police…
    https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2019/06/27/log-trucks-arriving-salem-demonstration-creating-traffic-backups/1583244001/

    excerpts from LINK:

    “Those of us who make a living from the land are the best environmental stewards there are,” Marie Bowers, a 5th-generation farmer, said to roars from the crowd. “Those who work outside are more in touch with the climate that those who legislate the climate.”
    Speakers told the crowd that HB 2020 would do nothing to mitigate climate change, but it would still take their jobs away from them.
    Advocates acknowledged the bill on its own would have a negligible impact on global carbon emissions, but there is also value in Oregon showing that smaller states could pass climate change legislation.

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      Another Ian

      In Oregon

      http://www.vannattabros.com/index.html

      The family have been private loggers since 1885 and 5 generations.

      They suggest that this ought to be considered sustainable.

      In the same vein western Qld has been using mulga as a drought supplement since about 1875 and it is still there. But we now have the vegetation management act to preserve it.

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        Another Ian

        Down the page

        “There are those among our number to periodically advocate that timber not be harvested. Not everyone has figured out that our forests are a renewable resource which like any crop will spoil if not tended to. The fact is that much of our western timber land is now being harvested for the second or third time since European settlers first moved west a little over 150 years ago. It has not occurred to them, that trees like any other crop this is not harvested ultimately spoils anyway. The ultimate destiny of unharvested western forests is a wildfire.”

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          FarmerDoug2

          Personal experience here.
          Grand pappy started “destroying” trees around 100 years ago. Now I have to have permit and abide by ;!; conditions. I do see some practices dad used that weren’t sustainably so, in my interest, I’ll ammend but having someone ordering is, well, not nice. I’ve been watching process for, 50 years.
          Doug

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        Graeme No.3

        Ian:

        You can’t use trees for food, you have to burn them as they don’t emit CO2 (see EU rules etc.)

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      AndyG55

      but there is also value in Oregon showing that smaller states could pass climate change legislation.”

      So yet more virtue signalling.. “what big boys and girls we are”.

      No other real reason.

      Advocates acknowledged the bill on its own would have a negligible impact on global carbon emissions.

      Well DUH !!! But let’s destroy the state’s livelihood anyway…

      What a PATHETIC lot they are, for sure.

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    pat

    27 Jun: ClimateChangeNews: Bonn climate talks end with Saudis and Brazil defiant
    By Natalie Sauer and Megan Darby
    After a week of backroom discussions, a key report on 1.5C warming was scrubbed forever from formal UN climate talks…
    https://www.climatechangenews.com/2019/06/27/bonn-climate-talks-end-saudis-brazil-defiant/

    pure propaganda from AP, so no need to read the rest:

    27 Jun: Heat wave outside has little impact on UN climate talks
    By FRANK JORDANS, Associated Press
    Campaigners and vulnerable countries lamented further attempts by oil-rich countries to undermine a key scientific report on meeting that target. The effort was led by Saudi Arabia, but also received overt or tacit support from other fossil fuel exporting nations like Iran and Australia…
    Among the issues left unresolved in Bonn were the rules by which countries and businesses can pay to cut greenhouse gas emissions elsewhere and count this toward their own targets…

    same goes for BBC:

    27 Jun: BBC: Attempts to ‘erase the science’ at UN climate talks
    By Matt McGrath
    The chair of the Alliance of Small Island States said Saudi Arabia and others were trying to pretend a key scientific report didn’t exist…
    The Saudis have gained some support in their arguments from an unlikely alliance of countries, including the US, Australia and Iran.
    “The countries that are trying to downplay the importance of the document, erase it from the records, not all of them are showing their faces,” said Ambassador Young…

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      Bill in Oz

      Pat your link has a photo of a bloke wearing a tea shirt.
      On the tea shirt is the claim
      “SCIENCE I NOT NEGOTIABLE”
      An utter outlandish b**l crap claim
      Why ?
      ‘Cause our understanding of the universe
      And the Earth as a planet
      CHANGES all the time.
      These Greeenists think that science is ‘frozen’
      Like some church’s dogma.
      We truly are dealing with a climatology cult.
      And it must be treated as a CULT.
      To be mocked and laughed at
      Till they realise their own stupidity.

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        AndyG55

        “Till they realise their own stupidity.”

        They are too self-important and numb-minded to realise just how stupid they are.

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          Bill in Oz

          Some are, yes !
          But others will respond to ridicule and being laughed at
          For their stupidity.
          It’s always “One Dumbo at a Time “

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    27 Jun Updated 28 Jun: Bloomberg: Global Climate Talks Stall as Temperature Soars in Europe
    By Ewa Krukowska
    Envoys at a round of United Nations climate talks finished two weeks of discussions with little progress on how to cut pollution…
    The delegates remained deadlocked on accounting rules and governance for the system, pushing the debate to their next meeting in Chile in December. They also failed to agree a statement on a scientific report about the risks of rising temperatures, with a group of countries trying to water it down…

    ***“People are talking about it, making jokes about it, but there’s no indication it’s spilling over to create more urgency here in these negotiations,” said Alden Meyer, director of strategy at the Union of Concerned Scientists, an advocacy group. “It’s almost like another world here.”…

    A group of nations led by Saudi Arabia and Iran sought to underscore uncertainties about the science behind the study during the talks in Bonn…
    “Things are not happening here the way they should be,” said Mike Waiwai, director for climate from Vanuatu…

    The discussions focused at writing rules for market structures that would help rein in fossil-fuel pollution didn’t make much headway either. Those include a program to follow on from the Clean Development Mechanism that came out of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol. That program was once worth $8 billion before questions emerged about the value of the certificates it issued for reductions of the projects it sponsored. Now, the offsets trade for pennies…READ ON
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-27/as-europe-suffers-heat-wave-work-stalls-at-global-climate-talks

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    Travis T. Jones

    Thing of the past …

    “There is no doubt, that in Australia, governments of the past, stuck on Green ideology, being lectured to by the lefties and the Greenies that we shouldn’t be building dams; well, today we are paying the price,” Mr Barilaro said.”

    Barilaro blames green ideology and lefties for lack of government’s drought preparedness
    https://www.armidaleexpress.com.au/story/6242450/barilaro-blames-greens-and-lefties-for-drought/?cs=471

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    pat

    27 Jun: Deutsche Welle: Climate groups blast Saudi, US ‘science-deniers’ at UN environment meeting
    by amp/sms(AFP, dpa, KNA)
    Officials from Saudi Arabia, the United States and Iran allegedly cast doubt on UN scientists’ findings and their recommendations at a UN meeting in western Germany. The climate talks ended with little progress made.
    Environmental groups said Saudi Arabia, the United States and Iran were blocking progress on fulfilling the goals of the 2015 Paris climate accord, as a UN meeting on the landmark deal ended in the western German city of Bonn on Thursday.

    Saudi and US delegates reportedly questioned scientific research by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that found limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) would be safer than a 2.0-degree limit.
    “Saudi Arabia is the main protagonist in this attack on science, although the US has come to its aid,” Oxfam’s Jan Kowalzig said.

    The Saudi delegation also objected to including wording that welcomed the IPPC’s findings or any mention of the scientific body’s recommended emissions targets in a final text.
    “Saudi Arabia, the US and Iran are forming an unholy alliance of science-deniers,” Martin Kaiser of Greenpeace said…

    Delegates failed to make significant progress on “market mechanism” measures that allow countries to finance efforts to reduce emission in other countries while doing less themselves.

    High-emission countries also clashed with others over how to compensate countries that are likely to experience the worst effects of global warming. The meeting ended with no agreement on how to raise the billions needed for a compensation fund…
    https://www.dw.com/en/climate-groups-blast-saudi-us-science-deniers-at-un-environment-meeting/a-49381381

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    28 Jun: SunDailyMalaysia: AFP: Big energy discussion ‘scrubbed from record’ at UN climate talks
    BONN: Hours of discussions over whether the United Nations climate process needs protecting from big energy interests were “scrubbed” from official conclusions at a conference in Germany this week, AFP has learned…
    Among those allowed to participate in UN climate talks are representatives of trade organisations who count among their members energy giants such as ExxonMobil and Shell.
    Industry representatives say their presence as observers at climate negotiations is crucial as it will be the private sector that is tasked with implementing change in the global economy…

    Delegates in Bonn this week held five sessions discussing how to enhance the transparency of the UN climate process.
    According to observers who were in the room, three of those sessions saw delegations specifically raise the issue of conflict of interest…

    One debate session saw the issue raised by multiple nations, with the United States warning that any attempt to regulate which organisations had access to the talks was a “slippery slope”.
    Australia and the European Union were supportive of the US stance, according to observers to the talks.
    Yet the final draft session notes on Thursday made no mention of conflict of interest nor the hours of discussion on the topic.

    “Despite the support from almost 50 countries and environmental groups around the world … obstruction mainly from the US and Australia blocked the establishment of a conflict of interest policy,“ said Philip Jakpor, from the campaign group Environmental Rights Action.
    “These obstructions from countries scrubbed the conclusion notes of any mention of the issue.”
    He said that “hours of discussions” had not been accurately reflected in the final summaries…

    The Paris agreement does not mention fossil fuels but a recent landmark report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said the safest way to slash emissions would be a rapid and widespread phaseout of oil, gas and coal…
    https://www.thesundaily.my/world/big-energy-discussion-scrubbed-from-record-at-un-climate-talks-HF1034382

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    mem

    Misleading renewable statistics seems par for the course these days. This media report from Bloomberg media takes the cake. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-25/for-first-time-ever-renewables-surpass-coal-in-u-s-power-mix. If you want to know what the real picture looks like then read this article from Larry Bell https://papundits.wordpress.com/2019/06/24/big-idea-energy-alternatives-are-costly-and-puny/

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    pat

    can’t yet find any Reuters’ coverage about the failure of the Bonn climate talks. seems they’ve moved on to the G20:

    27 Jun Updated 13h ago: Reuters: G20 members at odds over climate change for summit meeting: sources
    by Aaron Sheldrick
    G20 negotiators are wrangling over the wording of a summit communique on combatting climate change, with the United States pushing to downgrade the language against European opposition, according to sources and drafts of the text.
    The arguments are a reprise of tussles over global warming that have stymied talks in multilateral forums since U.S. President Donald Trump pulled the United States out of a landmark agreement to limit the effects of climate change…

    “Negotiations on the topic of climate will be especially difficult this time,” a German government official said on Wednesday…
    Summit host Japan has been criticized for backing the continued use of coal for power generation, one of the biggest sources of gas emissions that cause global warming…
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g20-japan-climatechange/g20-members-at-odds-over-climate-change-for-summit-meeting-sources-idUSKCN1TS0PN

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    pat

    such “precision”! lol:

    27 Jun: CarbonBrief: Analysis: Major update to ocean-heat record could shrink 1.5C carbon budget
    by Zeke Hausfather
    The UK’s Met Office recently released “HadSST4” (LINK), the largest update since 2011 to its widely used sea surface temperature (SST) record.
    The new version provides more accurate estimates of SSTs in the period during and after the second world war, as well as over the past decade. It suggests that the world’s oceans have warmed by around 0.1C more than previously thought since pre-industrial times.

    Carbon Brief estimates that the revisions to the Hadley SST record would reduce the global “carbon budget” remaining to limit warming to 1.5C by between 24% and 33%, depending on how the budget is calculated. A smaller budget would mean humanity has fewer carbon emissions it can still emit before committing the world to 1.5C of global warming.
    At the current rate of emissions, this would mean the 1.5C budget would be used up in 6-10 years – rather than 9-13 – potentially making the target even harder to achieve…

    ***However, a number of scientists caution not to read too much into revisions to the carbon budget…READ ON
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-major-update-to-ocean-heat-record-could-shrink-1-5c-carbon-budget

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    Travis T. Jones

    Update:

    Armed Militias Pledge to Fight for Fugitive Oregon GOP Lawmakers ‘At Any Cost’

    Right-wing militia groups across the Pacific Northwest are mobilizing to prevent Oregon state police from arresting Republican state senators who went into hiding on Thursday in order to prevent climate change legislation from passing.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/armed-militias-pledge-to-fight-for-fugitive-oregon-gop-lawmakers-at-any-cost?ref=scroll

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    pat

    I challenge anyone to find a pic showing even 500 protesters. I can’t:

    Guardian pic shows about 50 protesters:

    27 Jun: Guardian: Time Is Now thousands march in London for urgent climate action
    by Sandra Laville and agencies
    About 12,000 people gathered in Westminster on Wednesday to put pressure on politicians, ***according to the organisers the Climate Coalition and Greener UK, whose members include aid agencies, social groups and conservation organisations…
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/26/time-is-now-thousands-march-in-london-for-urgent-climate-action

    following has one pic, showing a few hundred at a Lobby Mass, presumably the Mass mentioned in the article!

    26 Jun: Independent Catholic News: #TimeisNow climate lobby: Bishop praises ‘young people taking a lead’
    by Ellen Teague
    Faith groups were among thousands of people who took part in a mass lobby of parliament yesterday, 26 June, to urge the UK government to act more seriously on climate change.
    ‘The Time is Now’ lobby attracted around ***12,000 people and was organised by the Climate Coalition and Greener UK. The Climate Coalition includes CAFOD, Christian Aid and around 130 other social groups and environmental organisations. Justice and Peace activists from across England and Wales participated, including Westminster, Portsmouth, Southwark and Leeds Diocese…

    Campaigners met with more than 220 MPs who were taken by rickshaw to speak to their constituents lined up on both sides of the River Thames. At 2pm those present rang alarm clocks, mobile phone alarms and sirens, and cheered loudly to symbolise ‘the time is now’. In Church House, Bishop John Arnold of Salford, the bishop with responsibility for the environment, presented winners of the Columban Young Journalists Competition on Climate Change with their certificates.
    To round off the day, Bishop Arnold celebrated Mass with around 600 Catholic participants…
    https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/37365

    one close-up pic, credited REUTERS/Hannah McKay, showing a dozen or so protesters:

    27 Jun: Reuters: Protesters gather at Britain’s parliament to urge climate action
    by Matthew Green
    At least ***12,000 people converged on Britain’s parliament on Wednesday…
    The protest was the latest sign of an upsurge in public concern over the climate crisis, spurred by reports of extreme weather from around the world and increasingly urgent warnings from scientists over the risk of climate breakdown…
    In the ***largest environmental lobby held at the British parliament, delegations from across the country met at least 200 MPs, according to organizers at The Climate Coalition and Greener UK, which combine more than 130 environmental groups…
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-britain-lobby/protesters-gather-at-britains-parliament-to-urge-climate-action-idUKKCN1TR2RA

    26 Jun: BBC: In Pictures: Climate change protest ‘The Time is Now’ descends on Westminster
    TOP PIC CAPTION: Organisers estimate that ***12,000 people – including school children, farmers, grandparents and nature lovers – joined the rally.
    “The Time is Now” group promised a wide range of people would take to the streets around Parliament, including surfers and nuns, and they would come from a wide range of organisations, such as Christian Aid, the Women’s Institute and the National Trust.
    Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Rowan Williams, who led a march at the event, said the group had a “vision of the sacredness, depth and solidity of the material world we find ourselves in”.
    A number of MPs came out of Parliament to talk to the protesters.
    Here are some of the pictures from the day of action.
    (FIRST PIC HAS MOST PROTESTERS I’VE SEEN PICTURED) CAPTION: Protesters gathered on Albert Embankment in London before heading to Parliament..
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48775463

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    pat

    the headline on ABC’s “Just In” page:

    Europe battling heatwave so hot it’s causing chicken manure to combust and spark bushfires
    Posted about 6 hours ago | Updated 40 minutes ago

    actual headline:

    28 Jun: ABC: Europe heatwave sees temperatures soar to record highs as wildfires take hold in Spain
    ABC/wire
    PIC: Although heatwaves are not uncommon in Europe, experts say climate change is increasing their frequency and intensity.

    Chicken manure wildfire takes hold in Spain…
    Mr Buch (Spain’s Regional Interior Minister) said authorities suspected the cause of the outbreak was a deposit of improperly stored chicken manure at a farm in the village of Torre de l’Espanyol that high temperatures caused to combust…

    Mr Saloman (France’s head of national public health) said four drownings had been recorded in France since the start of the week directly linked to the heatwave as people try to cool themselves…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-28/europe-heatwave-soaring-temperatures-causes-wildfire/11259582

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    TdeF

    Beto O’Rourke at FL Migrant Facility: Illegals ‘Had No Choice But to Come Here’ Due to Climate Change…”

    How does that even make sense? Why does he think it makes sense? What does he mean? +0.2 degrees in the last 30 years and people have to go to America because their Climate has Changed? I doubt the temperature in the tropics has changed at all.

    So it must be bushfires in the jungle or polar vortices or the horror of polar bears washing up on the shores of Guatemala and El Salvidor? Or Climate Change creates gangs with guns?

    Forget ‘the’ Science. This is just nuts.

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      TdeF

      And the Guardian blames all the problems of South America on America. In fact the world’s problems including Climate Change, the worst problem in history.
      I suppose the South Americans could move to Switzerland or Norway. It would be cheaper than the $12,000 they have to pay to people smugglers.
      No one on the left takes responsibility for anything. It is always the fault of the other guys. Like Venezuela and Cuba, icons of socialism but badly hit by Climate Change.

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    Zane

    Whatsamatta, Demon Rats, can’t you take a little warmer weather in Oregone?

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    TdeF

    The mistake the Democrats are making, once again, is to assume that they can win over Americans with such groupthink Climate Change nonsense.

    It might work among friends like our ABC who all agree with each other, but does a man campaigning to be the next President believe he can win on a ‘progressive’ nonsense platform? Around the world politics is being recast. Britain, Australia, Brazil, Hungary, France, Italy and the US, the people are tired of being treated as ignorant and beneath contempt. The new wave of successful politicians are portrayed as presumably opportunistic uncaring ‘populists’ when in fact they are simply popular and successful, like Trump. It is not Fascist Nationalism to want to protect your culture. The hundreds of thousands of invaderse in St.Denis Paris are a real threat to the people of Paris. And there is little point the Pope lamenting the dead on the American border. He did not care until Trump was elected. Nor care about the thousands drowned on his doorstep. The same in Australia where over 1,200 people drowned thanks to the caring Greens.

    Climate Change? Utter nonsense.

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    pat

    Facebook: Extinction Rebellion UK
    11h ago: Greenpeace UK says “Join the Rebellion”
    If not you, who? If not now, when?
    Take part in the movement of movements. #rebelforlife
    TWEET: Extinction Rebellion UK
    Rosie from @GreenpeaceUK tells Glastonbury Festival what they can do now. When you hear big NGOs telling people to “join the rebellion” you know something extraordinary is happening.
    Let’s rise together…
    ***VIDEO: 23secs
    11h ago: reply to Tweet: Nick Dawson: What’s the carbon footprint of the festival? Quite large I should imagine with acts flying in, the equipment, stalls and the vast amount of traffic.

    9h ago: Facebook reply: Tom Holdaway: Im always disappointed in your spokespeople when giving radio interviews. They come across as childish, easily flustered, completely judgemental and aggressively argumentative. Listening in on LBC had me cringing a while back when London was at a standstill.
    It certainly damaged your campaign more than it helped.
    That all said, keep fighting the good fight and let’s hope our collective governments can come up with something soon.
    https://z-upload.facebook.com/pg/ExtinctionRebellion/posts/?ref=page_internal

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      TdeF

      Extinction rebellion? Another made up emergency. Extinction is the usual end path for all species as they are obsoleted. Nothing we can do about it. You have to think that 99.99% of all species have been wiped out. Except the shark, the turtle and the crocodile and the chickens were dinosaurs.

      While a meteor wiped out the Tyrannosaurus Rex, perhaps a good thing, and produced substantial Climate Change the Tyrannosaurus was in fact the last in a long line of top predators who all went extinct when the next one came along. So we in Australia fight Climate Change and we fight Natural Selection and adaption perhaps because it’s cruel. But that’s life. When a smarter non human comes along, we will go the same way.

      However while thousands protest at Natural Selection, it’s inevitable. And it’s not anyone’s fault.

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        TdeF

        All the megafauna of Australia were wiped out 50,000 years ago. The rainfall halved. The countryside was devastated and desertified.
        Where were the protesters then? Now we have to thank the caretakers in public. It is all fantasy science and sociology.

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    TdeF

    And the Progressive convention (Used to be Democrats)

    On climate change,
    Buttigieg calls for “Pittsburgh Summit” in addition rejoining the Paris Accord.

    Biden says he would “up the ante” in that accord because he claims America makes up 15% of the problem.

    Sanders claims there are only 12 years left before there is “irreparable damage” to the environment.

    He wants to transform the energy system away from fossil fuels to more energy efficient solutions.

    12 years left? What ‘irreparable damage’?
    At least the alarmists (Tim Flannery, Kevin Rudd, Prince Charles, the Pope,..) have stopped working in units of precisely 10 years for disaster.
    We have already have three of those, all expired without a problem.

    Do these candidates really think people still believe it? Or is it written down somewhere as essential Leftist policy? Like a beauty pageant where women have to pretend to care more about saving the children than winning the competition.

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    theRealUniverse

    The desperadoes are getting more desperate. More absolutely absurd claims (due to the climate bogeyman) on everything from population movements to farting at the moon.

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      Dennis

      Despite the protests in Tasmania several years ago State Forests set aside a long time ago for sustainable logging for the timber industry were converted to National Parks so that no logging can be carried out.

      Another example of government of the leftist kind ignoring the people in the name of sustainability – climate change.

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