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    graham dunton

    In my opinion, a very good one to pass around.

    A Heartland Feature Podcasts

    Fired for Truth Telling on Alarmism

    Host: Anthony Watts
    Guest: Peter Ridd

    Peter Ridd, an Australian marine geophysicist, was terminated after rejecting research linking Great Barrier Reef changes to human action. Peter now shares his side of the story.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-694711047/fired-for-telling-the-truth-about-climate-alarmism-guest-peter-ridd

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    RAH

    Great news that you probably did not see in the “news”
    “According to the World Health Organization (WHO), global deaths from Malaria have been cut in half in the last two decades: from an estimated 839,000 deaths in 2000 to 435 000 deaths 2017.”

    Throughout the history of mankind every year Malaria has killed more humans than any war or other disease most likely even more than the plague (black death) epidemic and the great flu pandemic of 1918 at their heights. Sickle Cell disease is most likely a natural human genetic adaptation that presents in those who’s linage includes an ancestor or ancestors that were born in tribes in Africa which inhabited areas where the most deadly of the four basic types of Malaria (Plasmodium Falciparum) was/is endemic. By having the red blood cells configured in a crescent or sickle shape the Malarial gametocytes cannot invade them successfully and thus the disease cannot propagate.
    Climate alarmists, many of them academics, claimed that the incidence and severity of Malaria would increase due to global warming. Just one of literally 1,000s of claims made by academics in their peer reviewed papers, which by the way we pay for through government grants in most cases, telling us how things would get worse due to “climate change” that have been proven false or have yet to materialize.

    It has always been a pet peeve of mine when politicians go make a big deal about us funding programs to prevent AIDS or some other disease in Africa or some other place in the third world when in fact Malaria, a preventable disease and in most cases successfully treatable disease was and is far more deadly in those places.

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      Hanrahan

      Did they WHO give a reason? Did they lift the ban on DDT?

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        Graeme No.3

        I don’t know if WHO lifted the ban, but a number of countries now use DDT. Instead of indiscriminate use they now spray inside huts etc. where mosquitoes meet humans.

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        Ted O'Brien

        If the chlorinated hydrocarbons were invented today instead of banned because their patents had expired, they would be applied very differently.

        The Deildrin that we used for the sheep blowfly worked like magic at the start, but over time the flies developed resistance which made it less effective, I’d expect the same would eventually happen with DDT and mosquitoes.

        But Chlordane, which was very effective for termite control, was banned at the call of foreign interests. That should not have hsppened.

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        RAH

        Sorry. I forgot to include the link to the WHO report. Here it is: https://www.who.int/malaria/media/world-malaria-report-2018/en/

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    Another Ian

    For the battery hopeful

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2019/04/25/liquid-metal-battery-looks-right/#comments

    Not sure I’d need to be around “liquid magnesium” though.

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      Yonniestone

      Melting point for Magnesium is ~650c, I once set fire to a Magnesium motorcycle wheel while attempting to unfreeze a bolt, think giant sparkler blinding light.

      Might be safer to try Zinc and Copper and grow giant lemons……..

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        Peter C

        A Story from “The Age”, this morning.

        “A ‘flash’- then the House burnt down.”

        The cause seems to have been a Lithium battery fire.

        Ms Sanford was charging her beloved eZee Sprint ebike. in the kitchen.

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            Yonniestone

            My point is Magnesium/Li fires are very difficult if not impossible to extinguish, petrol stations have had isolation switches (as used in your link) for decades along with Class B fire extinguishers, CO2, Foam or Dry Powder that are 100% effective in extinguishing petrol or diesel fires.

            Magnesium burns underwater and Li metal will for a short time, your point was?

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            PeterW

            [Snip "PF"]….

            Do you have a petrol station in your house?

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            Slithers

            I took the trouble to look at your link [PF].
            An un-attributed fire in a car at a petrol station?
            Insurance job?
            Careless smoker?
            Should we stop using petrol stations?
            Should we stop using sports cars?
            Really you seem to have developed a skill, one that politicians excel at, Obfuscation!
            The house fire was caused by a battery fire!

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            Peter Fitzroy

            Slithers – how do you know it was a battery fire, your points would apply equally to that case
            Yonniestone – are you saying that our regulations are good for petrol, but not good for Li/Mag – Petrol and oil will burn on water so try again

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              Slithers

              Obfuscation yet again.
              The fire in the sports car in a petrol station. DOES NOT mean a petrol fire!
              A cigarette dropped into the upholstery could have been the seat(sic) of the fire!

              The ‘Flash! then the house burnt down’ can only indicate one thing an electrical event. Perhaps it was lightning, but no storm event noted. Perhaps it was a poltergeist.

              Flash = Short circuit = Lithium fire.

              The owner was charging her EV!

              How many more dots can you ignore [snip "Peter F"]????

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Only way to tell will be if they run forensics on the house, amd for the petrol fire. Petrol is more dangerous than lithium, and you do know that.

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              toorightmate

              Good point DRONGO.
              It was probably the front wheel axle that caught fire.

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            Bobl

            Oh for goodness sake Peter. Big difference, in the petrol station fire the car burnt out, in the lithium fire the house burned down. Also, petrol is hard to put out with water because it floats on water, that is water can’t exclude oxygen from a hydrocarbon fire. But lithium reacts exothermically with water, water FEEDS a lithium fire. Petrol follows gravity and runs away, lithium sits there under you backside. Big difference. When a Tesla power wall burns down it’s first house taking lives I would not like to be Tesla’s chief financial officer.

            The fire brigade can fight a petrol fire, they can’t fight a lithium fire, EVs particularly the Tesla’s have a raft of batteries sitting right under your backside, I wouldn’t have one of them on safety grounds alone. This is a 100 kWh battery with very high short circuit capacity. A short circuit alone in the battery array can put out enough heat to liquefy steel and 400 V DC is certainly enough to electrocute you or someone trying to get you out. Battery EVs are a safety nightmare, don’t touch them, hybrids are marginally better.

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              Peter Fitzroy

              No, sorry Bobl, firstly you can purchase a Li extinguisher
              Secondly, as you point out both are dangerous, but both are allowed in the community.
              I’m sure those supporters of horse drawn transport utter the same remarks, all I’m saying is that a Li fire is news, and a petrol one is not.

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                Slithers

                Oh my Oh my!
                A 40ml Li extinguisher to put out a multi KW power wall!
                How many extinguishers?
                How many people to operate them?
                In the Garage!!!!
                And there all the time just in case!

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                Peter Fitzroy

                buy a bigger on then. the point is there is an extinguisher

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                PeterPetrum

                Just ANOTHER cost for a technology that, at this time, has absolutely no advantages over the existing technology. There is no benefit in either cost or emissions at this time for an electric car or Tesla wall.

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                Peter Fitzroy

                PeterPetrum, ask a tradie whether Li tech has helped them, ask a millennial about mobile technology. If there is to be no benefit to batteries, or electric cars why are the major manufacturers building them, and at the same time phasing out petrol and diesel models? A Company like BMW or VW would not be doing that if there was not a market. I will make the comparison between horses and the first automobiles again. It is analogous with what we see today with the introduction of EV’s

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                Slithers

                Lets see, get a bigger one, 400ml to put out a fire in li battery with a few watts of power, but wall is several Kilo-watts so needs to be 1000 times bigger, ignoring any margin for error that makes it 400liters!
                Can you suggest where I park my car now Futz?

                Hang the expense of course. Lets build a bigger garage!
                Oh wait why not build a separate structure to house that fire risk!
                Oh hell cannot get council approval as it would be next to neighbors house.
                Ok we better move to the country.
                But that means a longer commute so need a bigger rooftop PV and a bigger battery wall, so bigger extinguisher.
                Oh S**T the bank manager won’t lend me that much money!
                I know I will increase my insurance to cover total loss. I contact my insurance company and tell them why I want extended cover.

                WHAT the insurance premium just went up 200%.

                Welcome to Slithers Law of unintended consequences!

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                Slithers

                I zoomed I on that advert for Li-Extinguishers it states ‘For Small Fires Only’
                So I would probably need special council permission to have a 400 liter one anywhere near a dwelling.
                And of course no chemical contents shown as they are probably rather toxic and under high pressure.

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              Bill in Oz

              Thanks for the detail Bo

              Yes, it is a real pity that Fitz is so blinded by his own personal ideology that he cannot see the danger posed by having a tesla battery inside a home.

              How many of us store petrol inside our homes ? None ! It’s stored inside a strong petrol tank in a car or petrol container in the shed for safety reasons.

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                Peter Fitzroy

                I can just see your grandad saying exactly the same thing about petrol powered cars back in the day. Of course, hay was combustible, and hayburners need a lot of it, but petrol was in a can, and required special handling. Secondly you can get sniff petrol to get a buzz, which I suppose is a point against Li, as it (in controlled dosages) allegedly works against dementia, although you might not know it, reading comments on this site.

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                Bill in Oz

                It’s obvious you have not been taking your Lithium Oratate Fitz.
                And pretty clear you need them
                I recommend buying some online.
                Might help with your thinking clearly.
                Cheers !.

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Without Gee Aye to help, how do you punctuate the last sentence?
                Might help with your thinking, clearly
                Might, help with your thinking clearly
                Still good try, old man

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                Slithers

                So now Futz is an English teacher.
                If you cannot DO! Teach!!!

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              Hanrahan

              A water hose is better than nothing fighting an oil fire PROVIDED you have a fine enough nozzle. But whatever you use do not get so close that the high pressure discharge spreads the liquid. This is impossible with CO2, but it has the least bang per KG.

              The very best fire fighting agent was BCF but that has been taken from us. I have a 5KG bottle on my back patio that will still work perfectly after all these years. That would put out a big, hot kitchen blaze.

              Note to self: Service the trigger mechanism.

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              Chad

              Can i remind you all again, in the interest of correct facts….
              . that there IS NO LITHIUM metal in “lithium ion” batteries
              The “lithium” content of the cell is all Lithium Carbonate salt, which is NON FLAMABLE.
              The main flamible component on a typical lithium cell is the liquid electrolyte made of a mixture of volotile compounds..
              However, the electrical ENERGY in a group of cells can generate heat sufficient to ignite any local flamable materials nearby.

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      theRealUniverse

      There was also liquid sodium battery as being one of the best in the 90s.

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      RAH

      Tough stuff to put out when it gets going. Just a little trivia about magnesium. During WW II the great American Industrial Tycoon, Kaiser anticipated the coming shortage of Magnesium for the war industry. Dow Chemical was the only industrial producer of the magnesium in the US at the time and had the rights to best known process to produce the metal. Kaiser was convinced to try developing a new method to make the metal to fulfill the anticipated need. It was very difficult and dangerous. The process Kaiser was trying to use produced a lot of magnesium dust that was obviously an nearly explosive fire hazard. So they used a cleaning compound. The used compound was called “goop” and they found that the used “goop” was an awesome incendiary filling for bombs. They even tested it on a mock Japanese village built out on the Dugway proving grounds complete with a fire department and they found the viscous ultra-flammable stuff was nearly impossible to put out. It was this “goop” that filled the best incendiaries bombs the US used against Japan in their B-29 raids. The bombs that were used during the low level night time raid on Tokyo by about 300 B-29s on March 9-10, 1945 were cluster weapons filled with goop. The wind driven fire storm that resulted made it the deadliest single air raid in history exceeding either atomic bomb. The storm created it’s own hurricane force winds as it sucked in the air it needed. The official Japanese figure was 80,000 killed but actual killed probably exceeded 100,000 by a substantial number. 1/4 of all buildings in Tokyo burned in that single raid. Water in some of the canals boiled. Even those in what would normally be considered adequate bomb shelters were not spared as the fire storm asphyxiated them.

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        Hanrahan

        Just today I watched a video on that raid. One B29 pilot described how another was broken into three in the severe turbulence.

        Curtis LeMay stripped the bombers down, taking out all guns except the tail gunner and reduced the fuel so they could load more bombs. The pilots thought they were on a suicide mission but LeMay knew what he was doing.

        A number of cities were fire bombed this way but Japan refused to surrender and the US thought they would have no choice but to invade the home islands. That would have been a bloodbath.

        Here are pics of the “Murderer’s Row” in Ulithi Atoll part of the invasion fleet being assembled.
        http://www.navyhistory.org/2015/09/historical-murderers-row-photograph-at-ulithi-update/

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          RAH

          The incendiary raids on Japanese cities wrought far more destruction and death than the two atomic bombs combined. It’s not really comparable. By the time Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima all the greatest industrial centers of Japan had suffered catastrophic damage.
          Tokyo – 40% destroyed
          Yokohama – 58% destroyed
          Osaka – 35% destroyed
          Nagoya – 40% destroyed
          Kobe – 56% destroyed

          Almost all of Japans smaller industrial or port cities had suffered comparable damage to the large ones and some had suffered even greater.
          Toyama- 96% destroyed
          Fukui – 85% destroyed
          Hitachi- 72% destroyed

          etc.

          In the end the atomic bombs were the straws that broke the camels back (Hiroshima-42% destroyed, Nagasaki-26% destroyed)by giving Hirohito an excuse to end the war, but the rest of the massive load on that camels back was due to bombing with conventional weapons and the near total decimation of Japans military and commercial fleets. By the end of 1942 the average caloric intake of a Japanese citizen living on the home islands was about 15% below the level required for mere sustenance and it only got worse as the war progressed.

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    When looking at fossil fuels, when replacing with renewables, the analysis usually looks at the issue from the consumption point of view. For instance, the additional costs of renewables as against coal-fired power stations in South Australia. The harms of ridding the world of fossil fuels also extend to those who make a living from the extraction of fossil fuels. The environmentalists are mostly anti-capitalists with a deep hatred of multi-national businesses. But they overlook that many countries are dependent on fossil fuel extraction for a large part of their national income.
    Using data from BP Energy Outlook 2018, I have looked at the top 20 fossil-fuel producing countries by value.

    1) Gross production of oil, gas and coal in millions of tonnes of oil equivalent
    https://manicbeancounter.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/top-20-ff-producers-by-mtoe-2.png

    2) Gross production of oil, gas and coal approx value, expressed as % of GDP.
    https://manicbeancounter.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/top-20-ff-producers-by-gdp-share.png

    By oil equivalent, 44% of global fossil fuel production originates in the US, China and Russia.
    Environmentalists try to stop fossil fuels in the US and other Western countries, but hardly a peep about China and Russia. China accounts for nearly half of the world’s coal consumption and production. As they produce their own the cost is likely far less than typical $100 a tonne typical global price. It is both a cheap and secure energy source. For Russia, sales of oil and gas are extremely important economically, with around half of government revenue from this source. In Saudi Arabia, Iran and other Middle Eastern countries well over half of government revenue comes from oil and gas.
    So when an activist demands that Australia wean itself off fossil fuels, ask them if they have made similar demands on those countries where fossil fuel revenues form a major part of their national income. Their desire to “save the planet” is dependent on most fossil fuels being left in the ground.

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      Ted O'Brien

      Currently much fuss is being raised about a big new coal mine in Queensland to supply new development in India. Greens are determined to block it, and its progress will depend on the outcome of our federal election two weeks from now.

      The output from this mine will compete with China, from both an economic and a strategic point of view. So the primary beneficiary from the blocking or retarding of this development is China.

      So who is funding the Greens’ campaign to block it?

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      Graeme No.3

      There is the other side – the users. Russia currently supplies about 25% of the natural gas imported into Europe (and is looking to increase this). A sudden cut off and millions will freeze to death. And as electricity is also dependent on natural gas there won’t be a substitute – unless the Greens can guarantee the wind blowing constantly.

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        An article in the Mail on Sunday is connected to Russia’s dominance in Europe. In the UK there is enough shale gas to supply Britain’s needs for at least 20 years and potentially much longer than that. But a few noisy environmentalists got imposed a rule in 2012 that fracking must stop for at least 18 hours if earth tremors are of 0.5 on the Richter scale are detected. This is in denial of the evidence from scientists and those in the industry. (In the US and Canada this limit is set at from 2.0 to 4.5 on the Richter Scale). The Energy Minister refuses to overturn this nonsense. After just 6 months in the job the “fracking tsar” – a former Labour MP – has resigned in protest.
        The Russian’s are no doubt delighted.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6967503/Britains-fracking-tsar-Natascha-Engel-reveals-resignation-Mail-Sunday.html

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          Graeme No.3

          Kevin:

          Symptomatic of too many modern politicians in that they are ignorant of science, technology and simple arithmetic and scared of upsetting any voters, even those who most probably would never vote for them anyway.

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    Another Ian

    “Trump’s Perfect Earth Day Statement”

    “President Donald Trump was right to ignore climate change in his April 22, 2019 Earth Day message. Instead, he focused on issues that actually matter and over which we have considerable control: protecting the nation’s water infrastructure, conservation of land, water, and wildlife, improving forest health and, of course, economic prosperity, the linchpin on which all the rest is founded. After all, without prosperity, we cannot afford to protect the environment.”

    More at

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/27/trumps-perfect-earth-day-statement/

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    Another Ian

    Another comment

    “‘Ecocide’ Would Criminalize Resource Development”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/27/trumps-perfect-earth-day-statement/#comment-2690459

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    Another Ian

    In spirit and resilience modern university students are not dissimilar from the old-fashioned upperclass aristocratic ladies who everyone assumed would faint or become hysterical because of indelicate sights and words.

    You’ve come a long way, baby!!

    Weird. Growing up in the 80s, us girls were taught to see ourselves as not being delicate hothouse orchids that needed constant protection.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2019/04/27/i-napoleon-54/#comment-1202972

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    Another Ian

    Another round

    ““Organic” Is The Latin Word For “Grown In Pig Shit” ”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2019/04/27/organic-is-the-latin-word-for-grown-in-pig-shit-6/#comments

    [Ordinarily I would snip the 4-letter word and approve this. However, with the same word in the URL it would be broken if I change it. And being a weekend thread you get a free pass. Don't anyone assume this is license to also use the word.] AZ

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      Hanrahan

      China might have less organic food soon. Seems there has been an outbreak of swine flu and millions of pigs have been ordered slaughtered.

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    Travis T. Jones

    If only they had a carbon (sic) tax …

    Groundbreaking Bronze Age Archaeological Discoveries on Island of Keros, Greece

    “The archaeologists were astonished with the findings, as they prove the existence of a highly-developed civilization in the area, which was completely unknown to the scientific community before the excavation.

    The discoveries on Dascalio show that some of the buildings there were of ”monumental” size, which the scientific community had been completely unaware of until recently.

    … many buildings and other structures which date back to the early Bronze Age, between 2750 and 2550 BC.”

    https://greece.greekreporter.com/2019/04/25/groundbreaking-bronze-age-archaeological-discoveries-on-island-of-keros-greece/

    A “highly developed civilisation” …

    If only they had a carbon (sic) tax …

    “Excavations took place in the area called Kavos on Keros, and on the islet of Dascalio, which was physically connected to Keros in antiquity.

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    el gordo

    The other day Scott Morrison told the world that a lot of young people have been brainwashed into thinking that farmers and graziers are bad for the environment. The PM was naturally furious with this ignorant stance.

    On ‘earth day’ Donald Trump made the extraordinary statement that civilisation is good for the natural environment.

    https://townhall.com/columnists/tomharris/2019/04/23/trumps-perfect-earth-day-statement-n2545228

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      David Wojick

      He also did not mention climate change.

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      Yonniestone

      I’m a supporter of farmers by being Pro-tractor, I support them from all angles and various degrees.

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        Hanrahan

        I’m a supporter of farmers and some of the younger ones rock. They are leaving the tractor in the shed and planting through stubble.So many advantages.

        Even the younger Italians are embracing new ideas. Ingham, possibly Australia’s most Italian town, has consistently led the charge to new technology in the sugar industry. It’s the graziers who drive me to distraction. They still overgraze and silt up the Burdekin and the GBR.

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    Ted O'Brien

    First frost this morning. That’s well within the normal range, but our average temps have been running well above the long term. 2+ degrees.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      minus 0.3 reported at Mudgee airport at about 6:30, against a forecast minimum of plus 4.
      Cheers
      Dave B

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      Bill in Oz

      Where are you Ted ?

      It was 8 degrees this morning here in the Adelaide Hills. But we have had 5-6′s degrees in the morning this past week.

      That’s colder than normal minimum for April here. But normal when there is low cloud cover at night which means cold nights.

      All part of the drought we are in still.

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    David Wojick

    Another battery setback — explosion! Cause unknown.
    https://ux.azcentral.com/story/money/business/energy/2019/04/23/arizona-public-service-provides-update-investigation-battery-fire-aps-surprise/3540437002/

    Ironically this battery blowup happened just after a big conference on utility juice storage ended in the same city. Plus APS recently announced the biggest battery build in U.S. history. The battery facility that blew is less than 1200 feet from the nearest residence. That is likely to change.

    One can see how huge amounts of chemical energy might be touchy.

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      Peter C

      The McMicken and Festival Ranch batteries are identical. They each are about the size of a cargo container, packed wall to wall inside with batteries in cabinets that look like school lockers……..

      This is the second fire that APS has had at a battery installation. The other was in Flagstaff. APS installed that battery in 2010 and it ignited in 2012 and threatened to ignite a larger blaze.

      That is not a very long life for the battery!

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      Yonniestone

      The battery storage company is Fluence formally AES going by their investments in Li technology 2014 I’d guess its a Lithium ion type but see in 2018 they tried Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries (LiFeP04 ), I’d be interested to know what type caught fire.

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      theRealUniverse

      So which has the worst record, battery farms or nuclear? Going on the rate so far batteries will catch up fast!

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        theRealUniverse

        Oh its the Chernobyl anniversary, oops. Never mind that was caused by an test that went rather wrong.

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    Peter C

    Paul Joseph Watson takes the fight up to the MSM

    Paul Joseph Watson has been able to create a channel which rival’s Buzzfeed’s in popularity with little more than a camcorder, a map of the world and some video editing software.

    Not relying on wealthy patrons means that PJW has a huge advantage: namely, that he can tell the truth. Using only his personality, lots of hard-hitting investigative journalism and good old Pommy humour, he seems to nail it every time.

    https://www.pickeringpost.com/2019/04/27/paul-joseph-watson-roasts-buzzfeed-fake-news/

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    Everybody who in worried about global warming, should answer these 2 simple yes/no questions.

    1) Did humans evolve near Kenya, Africa?

    2) Should humans be able to tolerate temperatures similar to Kenya’s?

    The obvious answers to both of these 2 simple questions, are Yes, and Yes.

    But no Alarmist can manage to say the answers. Can you see why?

    I have even asked a climate scientist to answer these 2 questions. I received no answer.

    For people who are interested, here are the real absolute temperatures for Kenya (in degrees Celsius) are:

    winter = 14.7

    average = 21.5

    summer = 29.1

    Nice and warm !!!

    The temperature in Kenya is not below 14.7 very often, and the average is 21.5

    In summer, the temperature in Kenya is often around 29.1 degress Celsius.

    Humans evolved in a hot country. Later, many humans migrated to colder countries. But we didn’t evolve in a cold country.

    That is why humans can tolerate heat, better than they can tolerate cold.

    For more global warming / real absolute temperature facts, read this article:

    https://agree-to-disagree.com/rats-north-summer-south-winter

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      Hanrahan

      Kenya sounds a little cooler than Townsville. I and many other whites have lived and worked here for over a century. Cane was grown and cut by hand, cattle mustered and building tradesmen have built modern cities.

      Most of the world’s inhabitants go to warmer climes for their holidays, ‘cept skiers.

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      Gee aye

      That is possibly the worst non sequitur I have seen for a long time

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    RickWill

    It is apparent to me that CAGW has become a powerful new religion. In fact, the way it has been forced into education programs, it has a massively growing wave of belief among the young in the western world. It has some close analogies with the other religious beliefs but some exceptions. It makes me wonder how religions develop and evolve.

    This short video has some interesting discussion on religious motivation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pAsSVVSlKM

    The similarities between CAGW and Christianity are clear. The key elements – “The Science” is the new God and CO2 the new Lucifer. There are high priests like Michael Mann and Gavin Schmidt who deliver the gospel with the dour piety of a Roman Catholic Archbishop.

    With regard to this new religion, I expect most schools in Victoria are contravening the State policy on Special Religious Instruction:
    https://www.education.vic.gov.au/school/principals/spag/curriculum/Pages/sri.aspx

    The Education and Training Reform Act 2006 (the Act) provides that government school education must be secular. Government schools must not promote any particular religious practice, denomination or sect, and must be open to adherents of any philosophy, religion or faith. Every person employed or engaged in a government school must have regard to this overriding principle of secularity.

    I wonder how many schools offer the alternate view to CAGW in their religious teachings.

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      OriginalSteve

      Except Christians should rail against it, as Christianity is very clear on avoiding what it considers to be false religions.

      Some christian churches are known to be basically willfully blind to sound ( i.e. Biblical ) Christian teaching, and are considered ignorant roadkill, sad but true.

      As I’ve explained to my daughter, who is in a Christian school, always respect your teachers, but understand the govt instructs them through the official govt curriculum, to basically lie to you about CAGW.

      CAGW has become effectively a State endorsed pagan eco-religion.

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        RickWill

        Every religion attempts to shut out other belief systems. There is no room in the CAGW religion for Christianity or any other faith but what is taught in the CAGW church.

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          ianl

          > ” It makes me wonder how religions develop and evolve”

          By the time I was born, the major religions were well and truly established, so I had simply idly wondered how such insanities as are at the core of religions could become so widely believed. Now I have been privileged to survive long enough to witness this process with the rise of the CAGW cult.

          It (the process) needs some indisputable but immutable facts as a kickstart. Fears of grievous, random misfortune and death are such facts at the heart of traditional religious need, as well as the constant Nannystate nagging about “be safe”. The requirement to counter these with unwavering faith in a benign entity is the response. Clearly, with CAGW, climatic apocalypse is the hysterical fear, countered by “science” as the saviour from CO2 as incarnate evil. That CO2 is a weak, and trivial, greenhouse gas is the fact at the heart of the heart of the quest for redemption (for this to have potency, the carbon cycle must be ignored).

          But notice I used that other key word “redemption”. This is because the most central element in religions is *GUILT*, from which redemption must be sought. In the case of CAGW, guilt is comprised of the advent of less dangerous and more rewarding lives (with the “scourge” of Hollywood-type luxury to prompt envy as well), and the comparison of that with the miserable lives of those still obviously in poverty. I’ve thought about why the use of guilt as a manipulator is so effective en mass. It seems to me that guilt is an evolved trait that has survived as a means of controlling primordial rampages. As with all evolved traits, you never get something for nothing – some individuals (we call them sociopaths) have not developed this trait much, so they are able to manipulate it in others.

          When this process started in the 1970′s, I doubt its’ full awfulness as is evident today was expected. Certainly, the attack on western industrialisation by destroying the enabler of cheap, plentiful power was intended, but extinction hysteria in young people ?

          [I stopped commenting here quite a while back as the random censorship by the moderators made it pointless. I haven't changed my mind on this, but your comment on the religious nature of CAGW showed me you had thought on this topic, beyond the normal mundanities of blogs. I've also kept a copy of this comment in case the censors find some untoward offence somewhere.]

          [Send your moderator resume to Jo any time. Random censorship? Really? There is only one thing that Will not get through moderation. I challenge you to list specific examples of "random" censorship otherwise you aren't to be believed.] ED

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            Hanrahan

            Now I have been privileged to survive long enough to witness this process with the rise of the CAGW cult.

            Far less damaging but even more unbelievable is the cult of “CHEMTRAILS”. Even some intelligent people believe in them.

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      PeterW

      Rick…
      The similarity with all religions is clear…. the claim to higher authority, to higher knowledge, to super-natural (which is what the warmenistas do when they claim that science can go beyond its natural limitations)

      The difference between warmenism and Christianity is also clear.
      One of the greatest commandments in Christianity is “Love thu neighbour”. Warminism insists that we sacrifice our neighbour’s wellbeing for the religion.

      Christianity affirms the innate worth and sovereignty of the individual. Warmenism demands control of the individual.

      Not all religions are equal when examined objectively.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        to paraphrase Arthur C Clarke. “Any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic” So the similarity is not as clear cut. Unless you count science as a religion /sarc off

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          Slithers

          Hi there Great English teacher.
          Here is Arthur C Clarkes Quote.
          ‘Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.’
          How do you claim yours is paraphrase?
          Near enough is good enough I guess.
          Or do you specialize in Plagiarism as well?
          Oh my, I just realized, Climate Science equates to technology to you Futz!
          And Climate Science supported by 97% of (35000-34000) makes it Totally Proven.

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            Peter Fitzroy

            What is your definition of paraphrase?
            Your second point – science generates technology, unless you think magic creates technology.
            So my version of the Arthur C Clarke quote is, by any other definition than yours, an example of the use of a paraphrase.

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          Fred Streeter

          I consider CAGW to be indistinguishable from Magic, cos it sure ain’t Science.

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        el gordo

        ‘The difference between warmenism and Christianity is also clear.’

        Millenarianism is Christian and warmenism is directly related.

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        Hanrahan

        Peter, you have hit a nerve with me. I believe warmists to be totally selfish. They SAY “Think of the grandkids” with a smug sense of superiority but it is only those in their own community they are thinking of. Never a thought is given to grandkids in developing nations who will still have short life spans and no electricity. Any possible advancement for them is sacrificed on the altar of Gaia.

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    Travis T. Jones

    How green is my frying pan?

    NASA Happily Reports the Earth is Greener, With More Trees Than 20 Years Ago–and It’s Thanks to China, India …

    China and India Lead the Way in Greening

    “the greening of the planet over the last two decades represents an increase in leaf area on plants and trees equivalent to the area covered by all the Amazon rainforests.
    There are now more than two million square miles of extra green leaf area per year”

    https://www.earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/144540/china-and-india-lead-the-way-in-greening

    A clue?

    “China allowed 11 provinces and regions to resume building coal power plants, in another sign that the world’s largest energy user is far from finished with the most-polluting fossil fuel.”

    https://burnmorecoal.com/2019/04/19/china-eases-new-coal-plant-ban/

    >> This a staggeringly good news and by no means expected …

    2006: “Al is a funny guy.” But he is also a very serious guy who believes humans may have only 10 years left to save the planet from turning into a total frying pan.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/25/AR2006012502230.html

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      el gordo

      There has been suggestions that industrial CO2 falls to the ground roundabout, which is why India and China are taking full advantage of this human induced fertiliser.

      In China they are taking the opportunity to reclaim desert.

      http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201808/06/WS5b678ab7a3100d951b8c8b07.html

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      Bill in Oz

      China & India are leading the way in intensive irrigated agriculture.
      That is ‘greening’ of a sort.
      It is increased rice, wheat, soy, barley etc – grain crops.

      But it does not means increased tree planting & forests.

      Probably the folks at Earth Observatory know this as well.

      But hey, nobody wants to criticise China or India. They need a free pass in the global warming CO2 reduction ideology !

      Meanwhile Australia where we have indeed planted millions of trees ( remember Hawkie’s promise in the 1990′s ? It did happen. ), well we are a major Global Warming criminal.

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        Hanrahan

        I thought Travis had that covered. The article said in part: “the greening of the planet over the last two decades represents an increase in leaf area on plants and trees………

        I would think that the term “leaf area” differentiates between trees and crops. Maybe you don’t think so.

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          Bill in Oz

          But 99% of people would not reailse that “leaf area” includes grain cops etc…

          Thus the need to clarify.

          Otherwise people think the opposite of the reality.

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    pat

    27 Apr: Fox News: Op-ed by Steve Forbes: Rich people don’t need your money to buy electric cars — Let’s get real about EV tax credits
    (Steve Forbes is Chairman and Editor-in-Chief of Forbes Media)
    Americans who want to drive electric vehicles should absolutely be free to do so. But the rest of us should not be forced to subsidize their expensive, environmentally questionable choice of cars…
    The soon-to-expire tax breaks that EV owners receive go disproportionately to upper-income Americans.
    Nevertheless, EV advocates want taxpayers to continue to pay billions so that affluent drivers in coastal areas like California can receive significant tax breaks they don’t need or deserve…

    That often means middle-class taxpayers in the Midwest are paying for tax credits that disproportionately go to higher-income individuals in states like California or New York.
    In fact, more than 50 percent of EVs sold in 2017 were sold in California. And the University of California Berkeley’s Energy Institute at Haas found that Americans in the top 20 percent of income earners received on average 90 percent of the federal tax credits for EVs…

    The Manhattan Institute has estimated that Tesla buyers had an average household income of $293,000 in 2013 and a later 2015 study found that even buyers of the more cost-effective Ford Focus EV had an average household income of $199,000. To put that in perspective, the 2018 median household income in the U.S. was just over $60,000, with prices for EVs ranging from around $30,000 to upwards of $100,000…READ ON
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/steve-forbes-electric-cars-ev-tax-credit

    27 Apr: American Thinker: Those filthy Teslas
    By Monica Showalter
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/04/those_filthy_teslas.html

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    theRealUniverse

    Just on Stuff (nz)
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/112226567/kaikura-farmers-standoff-over-emissions-trading-scheme-fines-for-cleared-pines
    “A farmer who was fined $85,000 for chopping down trees subject to the Emissions Trading Scheme says he was caught completely unawares.

    Harold Inch bought the farm near Kaikōura about five years ago and cut down “probably half the trees on the farm”, intending to let the land return to native bush, which bordered the Inland Rd property.”

    So WHO is concerned for the environment then? This guy Harold or the dam govt and the criminal ETS???
    Replacing ugly pines (from NA) with beautiful native podocarps (from Gwandanaland).

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      Hanrahan

      Pines are a monoculture in which no self-respecting native fauna would be seen dead. By contrast a large variety of birds love qtr acre suburbia. Animals: Not so much.

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      yarpos

      You would think that if he has undertaken to allow the bush back it would be no harm , no foul over time.

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    Yonniestone

    For anyone that has followed the Mueller investigation this is Parody Project with a brilliant play on words with Don Mclean’s American Pie,

    The Day Collusion died https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=Eqn3iI_h1vg

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    Greg in NZ

    If it looks like a Banksy it must be a Banksy? Contains peer-reviewed sciency terms such as “speculation… many believe… they thought… seems to… 100 percent sure… just appeared”. As of yesterday, “Banksy has not confirmed if he was behind the work”.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/387925/banksy-possible-artist-of-mural-found-at-climate-activists-london-base

    “Extinction Rebellion is urging the British government to ‘tell the truth’ about the scale of the climate crisis”. I’m sure climate realists would ALSO enjoy the UK govt telling the world about a big fat zero. Meanwhile, if groupies want to glue various bodily parts to buildings, roads, bridges, I say sure! Great! And leave them there till the glue’s stickability – and the gluees’ resolve – has reduced to a ‘net zero’. Ah yes, live street entertainment like it used to be…

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      theRealUniverse

      “Extinction Rebellion is urging the British government to ‘tell the truth’ about the scale of the climate crisis”. = absolute ZERO crisis – non existent.
      Extinction Rebellion = largest group of eco nutcases for ages.

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    pat

    Youtube: 6min12sec: Papadopoulos: Trump Called Italian Prime Minister After I Broke News on Mifsud in Rome
    posted by James Hoft
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_XDT6mLg1s

    read all:

    23 Apr: Federalist: 7 Glaring Omissions In The Mueller Report That Kill Its Credibility
    While there is much within the Mueller report that suggests skepticism was well-founded, what is perhaps most probative is what the report omitted.
    by Ben Weingarten
    (Ben Weingarten is a senior contributor at The Federalist and senior fellow at the London Center for Policy Research)
    https://thefederalist.com/2019/04/23/7-glaring-omissions-mueller-report-kill-credibility/

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      pat

      from Hannity show 25 Apr 2019 – link below:

      PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP: Yes. Everything is going to be declassified and more, much more than what you just mentioned. It will all be declassified. I’m glad I waited because I thought that maybe they would object struck if I did it early and I think I was right.
      So I’m glad I waited. And now, the attorney general can take a look, a very strong look at whatever it is. But it will be declassified and more than what you just mentioned.

      Youtube: 25 Apr 25: Fox: Sean Hannity [FULL]
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0YmZKcepG4&feature=youtu.be

      25 Apr: The Hill: How the Obama White House engaged Ukraine to give Russia collusion narrative an early boost
      By John Solomon
      As Donald Trump began his meteoric rise to the presidency, the Obama White House summoned Ukrainian authorities to Washington to coordinate ongoing anti-corruption efforts inside Russia’s most critical neighbor.

      The January 2016 gathering, confirmed by multiple participants and contemporaneous memos, brought some of Ukraine’s top corruption prosecutors and investigators face to face with members of President Obama’s National Security Council (NSC), the FBI, State Department and Department of Justice (DOJ).
      The agenda suggested the purpose was training and coordination. But Ukrainian participants said it didn’t take long — during the meetings and afterwards — to realize the Americans’ objectives included two politically hot investigations: one that touched Vice President Joe Biden’s family, and one that involved a lobbying firm linked closely to then-candidate Trump…

      That makes the January 2016 meeting one of the earliest documented efforts to build the now-debunked Trump-Russia collusion narrative and one of the first to involve the Obama administration’s intervention.
      Spokespersons for the NSC, DOJ, and FBI declined comment. A representative for former Obama national security adviser Susan Rice did not return emails seeking comment…
      https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/440730-how-the-obama-white-house-engaged-ukraine-to-give-russia-collusion

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        pat

        25 Apr: ConservativeTreehouse: President Obama’s 2016 Political Surveillance Coverup Had Two Parallel Tracks…
        by sundance
        Everything after March 9th, 2016, is a function of two intelligence units, the CIA and FBI, operating together to coverup prior political surveillance and spy operations.
        Prior to March 9th, 2016, the surveillance and spy operation was using the NSA database to track and monitor their political opposition. However, once the NSA compliance officer began initiating an internal review of who was accessing the system, the CIA and FBI moved to create ex post facto justification for their endeavors (LINK).
        The evidence for this is found in the documents attached to both operations; and bolsters the original statements by Congressman Devin Nunes as highlighted below…
        https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/04/25/president-obamas-2016-political-surveillance-coverup-had-two-parallel-tracks/

        Joe diGenova: John Brennan is going to need five lawyers, not one:

        Youtube: 3min45sec: Fox: Joe diGenova: Admiral Michael Rogers is a hero
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWH8i5jQNPM&feature=youtu.be

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      Graeme No.3

      The media haven’t realised that the scam is dead.

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    pat

    this is nearly over, but will be available on multiple youtubes once it’s over.
    Trump shunning the White House Correspondents’ Dinner again:

    27 Apr: Breitbart: Watch: Donald Trump Hosts Political Rally in Green Bay, Wisconsin
    by Charlie Spiering
    The president is speaking the same evening as the White House Correspondents’ Dinner in Washington, DC, on Saturday.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/27/watch-donald-trump-hosts-political-rally-in-green-bay-wisconsin/

    WSAW7-TV: Thousands attend Trump rally in Green Bay
    Thousands of people from around Wisconsin are in Green Bay to hear what Trump has to say. This was a free event that anyone could attend, but Secret Service detail said only the first 10,000 people are being let into the center.
    Some people arrived in town Friday night, and actually stayed outside the Resch Center in the cold to be one of the first people in the door…

    26 Apr: Daily Caller: A couple dozen people go to Beto O’Rourke campaign event
    by Mike Brest
    Former Texas Rep. and current presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke had a small crowd for a campaign event at the University of Nevada Las Vegas on Friday.
    “Around 35 people here to see Beto O’Rourke at UNLV,” Emma Kinery, a Bloomberg reporter tweeted. “The rally was supposed to be held in the courtyard outside, but students told me no one is on campus on Fridays bc it’s mainly a commuter school.”…

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      Hanrahan

      I’ve just listened to it.[prompted my post below] His rallies are like rock concerts. I reckon many go just to “be there” more than political conviction. But they are the ones he needs to attend, the not yet committed.

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      theRealUniverse

      Number watch, I doubt that anybody in the political front has one clue..or half a clue..
      Real numbers!
      The absurdity of it:
      100 million tonnes = 10^8 tonnes = 10^11 kg of emissions reductions by 2030.
      Atmospheric mass = 5.1480×10^18 kg , therefore reductions ~= 1/51480000 atmos. mass. ~= 2×10^-8. So whats this going to cost? $4.55 billion.

      Want some astronomical numbers?
      1 mole = 6.022×10^23 molecules
      CO2 = 44.01 g/mol
      1 CO2 molecule = 7.3 x 10^-26 kg.
      100 mill tonnes = 1.37 10^36 CO2 molecules!
      about 10^26 of them per buck…hmm

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        theRealUniverse

        Heres the quick ref for GT / ppm 1ppm = 2.12GtC, so 100 million tonnes = .05ppm = NOTHING.

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      When you look at the graphic which shows (some) existing HELE plants, it shows Australia as having them, and the text under that mentions that we have 6 of those Units in operation already.

      Be aware that these 6 Units, all of them in Queensland, are SuperCritical only, and not the next level of technology better, UltraSuperCritical.

      Those existing Units are at the Callide Plant (Callide C – 2x420MW, owned 50/50 by Qld Gov (CSEnergy) and InterGen) Kogan Creek, (1x744MW, owned by QldGov CSEnergy) Millmerran, (2x426MW, owned by Intergen, a multinational company owned by the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan and AIG Highstar Capital II, a private equity fund sponsored by a subsidiary of American International Group, Inc) and Tarong North. (1x443MW, owned by QldGov Tarong Energy)

      All plants in QldGov ownership use coal mined nearby from QldGov owned coal mines. All QldGov owned plants pay a very large dividend each year to the QldGov, with all costs for that dividend passed down to consumers in higher Unit costs for the generated electricity.

      While these plants are technically HELE, they are a level less technology than USC and less efficient than USC, but more efficient than all other SubCritical coal fired plants in Australia, and burn considerably less coal than the others do as well.

      Tony.

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    Andrew McRae

    Science and Democracy passing like ships in the night.

    In the world’s largest democracy

    The Bharatiya Janata Party candidate from Bhopal has appalled the medical fraternity by her claims that she cured a serious disease like breast cancer with gaumutra (cow urine). Speaking to The Hindu on Thursday, Dr. Rajput confirmed that Ms. Thakur took the surgical treatment for cancer. “I operated on her first in 2008 at the Mumbai’s JJ Hospital when she had developed a tumour in the right breast.

    Meanwhile in Australia…

    Barbara Bell
    The Greens
    Bell is a science graduate from UQ who also holds qualifications in arts and physiotherapy from Sydney University. She is also a qualified Feldenkrais practitioner and has worked as a teacher, recreation officer, artist and physiotherapist across the public and private sector as well as in her own business.

    Yeah, so, about Feldenkrais

    In 2015, the Australian Government’s Department of Health published the results of a review of alternative therapies that sought to determine if any were suitable for being covered by health insurance; the Feldenkrais Method was one of 17 therapies evaluated for which no clear evidence of effectiveness was found.[2] Accordingly in 2017 the Australian government identified the Feldenkrais Method as a practice that would not qualify for insurance subsidy, saying this step would “ensure taxpayer funds are expended appropriately and not directed to therapies lacking evidence”.

    The Greens policy

    [ "Quick Facts: The cheapest form of new energy is renewables. ]

    Our plan for a renewable economy that tackles climate change:
    ▲ Phase out coal, move to 100% renewables and deliver cheap, clean and reliable energy for homes, businesses and industry. “Renewables are already driving down power prices.”

    No, they really don’t seem to be, as the evidence in the USA and Australia shows prices going up along with renewables deployment, which are still more expensive than coal. Note the use of the weasel word “new energy”, because digging up old energy is just like..omg…sooo old, right? Restoring the atmosphere to its previously nutrient-rich state is just not Greens’ policy.

    ▲ Create Power Australia, a not-for-profit, public energy retailer for renewables

    Profit is accrued when the value of doing a particular activity is more than what it costs; a net gain and therefore a good idea. The Greens actually intend to carry out an activity they know will not make a profit; the exactly opposite of a good idea.

    Back to India

    Mr. Singh gives ‘zero’ grade to the sitting MP from Unnao, Sachchidanand Hari ‘Sakshi Maharaj’, for his work, and points to the broken brick roads and open drains in his village. The MP, a self-styled seer, is known for his controversial statements and last week, even threatened to “curse” those who did not vote for him.

    In Australia, the Greens’ policy:

    UN scientists have told us we have less than 11 years to get global pollution under control or our planetary system is likely tip over into a climate breakdown.

    And their leader:

    Richard Di Natale (australia) retweeted @ABCNews24 :
    RT @ABCNews24: “New coalmines will sign the death warrant of the #GreatBarrierReef” Greens leader @RichardDiNatale #ausvotes

    Deleted about 1 month ago after almost 3 years

    Today I realised Australia and India have more in common than I had suspected.

    [Try to keep the size and number of links down. It improves the chance that readers will go all the way through it. I don't see any objectionable content.] AZ

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      Hanrahan

      Barbara Bell
      The Greens
      Bell is a science graduate from UQ who also holds qualifications in arts and physiotherapy from Sydney University. She is also a qualified Feldenkrais practitioner and has worked as a teacher, recreation officer, artist and physiotherapist across the public and private sector as well as in her own business.

      Teachers comments: Doesn’t play well with other children. Can’t concentrate on one thing for long.

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      Graeme No.3

      Yes, both countries have politicians who think they are seers, or believe in things for which there is no supporting evidence.
      I would make a comment about comparative brain sizes which would get me MOD’d but I can say that at least cows can find their own way home.

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    el gordo

    ‘Solar panels and wind turbines are making electricity significantly more expensive, a major new study by a team of economists from the University of Chicago finds.

    ‘Renewable Portfolio Standards (RPS) “significantly increase average retail electricity prices, with prices increasing by 11% (1.3 cents per kWh) seven years after the policy’s passage into law and 17% (2 cents per kWh) twelve years afterward,” the economists write.’

    Forbes

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      Chad

      Really !
      It took a team of economists at a major university to undertake a study ….to conclude what most of us have known for years ?
      I wonder how much that study cost ?

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      yarpos

      I used to work as a consultant. Organisations (including and especially Fed Govt depts) would pay use extravagant amounts of money to tell them what their staff had been telling for the previous 12-18 months. Somehow its more credible if blokes in suits that cost thousands a day give you the news and a nicely bound report.

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    Hanrahan

    I guess I’m an optimist but I see Trump winning bigly in 2020.

    ATM he is not polling that way but those polls are being done by the same people who did them in 2016. Besides he is competing against an empty chair. Once the preselection gets under way and the candidates start on each other an already divided party will become more so. Once the candidate is decided large swathes of the party will be disappointed.

    There will be some who will absolutely not vote if a “post birth abortion” believer is nominated and others who will not vote for any candidate who is not totally pro abortion.

    The same goes for open borders, universal health care, reparations, forgiving student loans, socialism and a number of other divisive issues. Once the chair is no longer empty and there is a name to the candidate many dems will stay home.

    I hope so anyway. :)

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      toorightmate

      The Wisconsin rally was impressive. A bit better than Beto O’Rourke’s turn up of 35 demented souls at his rally.

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    toorightmate

    Two topics for the price of one:

    1. I think Oh Bummer, James Coney and Hillary Crook will be on toast during the 2020 presidential campaign – in an attempt to shut up the left wing media. Surely criminal charges cant be too far away?

    2. The anti Adani trash have got off very lightly in Central Queensland. I think it is now safe to say that the far left is far more physically abusive and disruptive than coal miners ever were. Shirt-lifter Bob Brown and his herd of stinking Hippies should now go and protest in China, Vietnam, Thailand, Russia, India and Japan.

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      Kinky Keith

      Tooright.

      Please, don’t speak about hippies like that.

      There must be a better ending to “herd of stinking Hippies”.

      How about “social security enthusiasts?”.

      KK

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      toorightmate

      Update:
      A 62YO woman from NSW with Anti Adani mob has been injured by a horse at Clermont.
      My sympathies are with the horse.

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    robert rosicka

    So police are concerned with the number of firearms in the community! How about the ABC and the police admit it and report they’re concerned with the number of illegal firearms in the community.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-28/gun-found-near-melbourne-park-shooting-scene/11052216

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    robert rosicka

    So police are concerned with the number of firearms in the community! How about the ABC and the police admit it and report they’re concerned with the number of illegal firearms in the community.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-28/gun-found-near-melbourne-park-shooting-scene/11052216

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    el gordo

    ‘Did you know that livestock farming is the largest source of methane emission in the world? Livestock farming contributes about 14.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions, which, in contrast to popular belief, is responsible for the emission of far more greenhouse gases than that caused by transportation across the globe.’

    No Tricks Zone

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      el gordo

      ‘ … a kilogram of beef is responsible for the equivalent of the amount of CO2 emitted by the average European car every 250 kilometres, and burns enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20 days (New Scientist magazine, 18 July 2007, page 15 ).’

      Timeforchange.com

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    Hanrahan

    Is heart disease Australia’s biggest killer? The TV ads are telling us so but I don’t believe them.

    I’m an old phart who has lost many friends and acquaintances over the years and cancer has taken the lion’s share of them. Not only a high percentage overall but most of them were relatively young. The cause of death of the older ones I’ve known is more varied but still no predominance of heart attacks.

    What say you?

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      el gordo

      It depends to a great extent on genetic factors.

      In my family they smoked like chimneys and drank like fish, but they all died from heart disease at a relatively old age.

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    Hanrahan

    An open letter by Ralph Nader to Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg.

    Dear Mr. Muilenburg:

    On April 4, 2019 you somewhat belatedly released a statement that “We at Boeing are sorry for the lives lost in the recent 737 MAX accidents.” You added that a preliminary investigation made it “apparent that in both flights” the MCAS “activated in response to erroneous angle of attack information.”

    Your acknowledgement of the problems with the 737 MAX somehow escaped inclusion in your messages to shareholders, the capital markets, and the Securities and Exchange Commission. It is now stunningly clear that your overly optimistic outlook on January 20, 2019 – after the Indonesian Lion Air crash – was misleading. Whatever the public learns, day after day about the troubles of your company, it is still far less than what Boeing knows will come out day by day, and not just about the deadly design of the 737 MAX.

    Your narrow-body passenger aircraft – namely, the long series of 737’s that began in the nineteen sixties was past its prime. How long could Boeing avoid making the investment needed to produce a “clean-sheet” aircraft and, instead, in the words of Bloomberg Businessweek “push an aging design beyond its limits?” Answer: As long as Boeing could get away with it and keep necessary pilot training and other costs low for the airlines as a sales incentive.

    To compete with the Airbus A320neo, Boeing equipped the 737 MAX with larger engines tilted more forward and upward on the wings than prior 737’s. Thus began the trail of criminal negligence that will implicate the company and its executives. The larger engines changed the center of gravity and the plane’s aerodynamics. Boeing management was on a fast track and ignored warnings by its own engineers, not to mention scores of other technical aerospace people outside the company.

    Read it all at:
    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/04/26/forfeit-your-pay-and-resign-open-letter-boeing-ceo-dennis-muilenburg

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    el gordo

    In my thinking the Holocene should have come to an end 4,200 years ago and settled into glaciation.

    https://eos.org/articles/the-akkadian-empire-felled-by-dust

    Climate change refugees came to Australia at that time and brought the dingo along for company.

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      Graeme No.3

      Which climate change refugees? We seem to have had a series of arrivals going back at least 45,000 years.
      Possibly further back to 60 -70,000 according to the ABC although I have doubts as to their credentials as archaeologists.

      Either they sailed the 400 km. from Timor or they took advantage of the lower sea level and travelled overland (mostly) through Wallacia to Papua and across the Torres Straight. That they would have had the ability to cross 25 to 40 km. of sea is surely indicated by the arrival of Homo erectus (ancestors of the Hobbit) on the island of Flores at least 400,000 years ago. That must have involved crossing Wallace’s line between Bali and Lombok where the deep water was, and a passage directly of 40 km. and at least 25km indirectly, and island hopping to Flores.
      Anyway, thanks for the link. Now can they explain the Late Bronze Age collapse (about 1200BC)?

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        el gordo

        They came by boat from west India or thereabouts, these new immigrants brought the dog and sophisticated technology.

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          Graeme No.3

          I think that they took a few toilet stops along the way.
          Sure they brought the dog but sophisticated technology????
          I’ll grant that there is some evidence of polished stone tools (axes) which are usually assigned to neolithic times but no evidence of agriculture nor more importantly of boat building as Tasmanian aborigines were surely ‘marooned’ by rising sea levels at least 6,000 years ago.

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            Graeme No.3

            Correction:

            Bass Strait cut about 13,000 years ago. Finds in Tasmania in Beginners Luck Cave dated to about 20,000 years ago. Also Fraser Cave 19,770 years ago, both caves in southern Tasmania.

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              el gordo

              The first Tasmanians came via New Guinea, the coastal route.

              On his third voyage James Cook finally agreed (after much debate) that the hair of the Adventure Bay Tasmanians ‘was as woolly as any Native of Guinea’.

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            el gordo

            The first Tasmanians were totally isolated with the flooding of Bass Strait. Did they have any Denisovan DNA?

            The sophisticated technology brought by the Harappans to northern Australia 4,200 years ago.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation

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              Graeme No.3

              Yes, the Harappans MIGHT have journeyed to WA. There is strong evidence of trade with the Middle East (transfer of domesticated wheat and dates) and possible return transfer of domesticated chickens. Also trade with sub-saharan africa in that domesticated millet suddenly appeared in the Indus Valley (definitely an african product as different from that farmed in China – foxtail millet). Yet it seems they didn’t leave much of their superior technology (e.g. agricultural, town planning, sewerage, water storage, bead making or bronze production) behind.
              Yes, that Tamils can look very like aborigines has been noticed in Welfare circles for some time.

              Tasmanian aborigines haven’t, as far as I know, been tested for Denisovan DNA. Didn’t you know we guilty white men wiped them out? In any case Denisovan DNA is strongest in northern Cape York (although no where as strong as PNG) and the percentage fades as you go south and west. By the time you get to Victoria the level is below that of certain tribes in the Amazon area of S. America. In any case the SE of India has a low level.
              There is little Type A in the blood of Cape York (or Arnhem land) inhabitants and about 5 times the amount in Victoria (no figures for Tasmania).

              http://meta-gaia.angelfire.com/denisovan_radiation.html

              I suggest you try and link Greenies with Homo nadelis, a surprisingly late survival in Africa of a small brained, cave dwelling creature with no evidence that it used fire or even stone technology, but with large grasping hands.

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    el gordo

    Irrefutable proof that CO2 is not a temperature knob and that the golden orb has a lot to answer for.

    https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/clip_image002-2.png

    Full story over at WUWT on the Galileo thread.

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    yarpos

    Just noticed this in a Tesla thread elswhere:

    An electric car rental company (ec-rent.nl) in the Netherlands shut its doors. From their website:

    ‘Unfortunately, we had to cease our activities.

    Due to increasing technical difficulties, and the lack of timely parts supply by Tesla Motors, we could not longer operate half of our Tesla rental fleet since mid-december 2018. Because this situation is no longer maintainable and a solution does not seem to be within reach, we had no other option than to stop all of our rental activities. ‘

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      Hanrahan

      Are they saying half their fleet was awaiting parts? A fleet of Camrys or Mazda 6s would not have needed parts to half their fleet.

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    Mardler

    Check this out, Jo.

    I have been playing with XR loons for a few days especially those who talk about climate breakdown.

    This guy came up as did a number of other charlatans in a google search.

    He teaches at Cumbria university, no I didn’t know either, and is barking mad. This is where XR gets its rubbish from.

    https://jembendell.wordpress.com/about/

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