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Evil whites caused the Little Ice Age by bringing small-pox to America

Is it April 1st in London?

The BBC is reporting that academics from University College London have discovered that the Little Ice Age was not caused by the record low solar activity of the Maunder Minima, instead it was due to the colonization of the Americas. Thanks mostly to measles and small pox the death toll was so enormous that about 9% of the global population died, supposedly leaving empty farmlands. These were swiftly covered in forests causing a deadly fall in CO2 which cooled the world.

This is an Apocryphal story that virtue signals in so many ways. A kind of triple-point scrabble maneuver combining climate, race, war, forests and imperial colonization in the one story.

The Great Dying of the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas caused the Little Ice Age

Colonisation of the Americas at the end of the 15th Century killed so many people, it disturbed Earth’s climate.

That’s the conclusion of scientists from University College London, UK.

The team says the disruption that followed European settlement led to a huge swathe of abandoned agricultural land being reclaimed by fast-growing trees and other vegetation.

This pulled down enough carbon dioxide (CO₂) from the atmosphere to eventually chill the planet.

It’s a cooling period often referred to in the history books as the “Little Ice Age”…

 The implications of this are pretty staggering. Firstly, we’re only talking of the regrowth of an area the size of France. What if carbon reduction programs overdo things, then, biffo — ice-age, here we come? It was only a reduction of 7 – 10ppm. And think of the paradox, if we reforest the world, it will become so cold we’re looking at snowball Earth, which will kill all the forests.

If a mere 10ppm loss of CO2 caused a mini ice age, it’s a wonder we’ve survived the 120ppm rise since then. All that extra CO2 seems to only have warmed us back to where we were in the Medieval Warm Period. There is a kind of wormhole here in the maths where negative CO2 units are far more powerful than positive ones.

POST NOTE: Commenter Francis Lacan follows this through on “colonizing Africa”.

February 1, 2019 at 5:38 am  Some clever scientists at University College London are suggesting that re-colonising Africa would completely offset the effects of global warming. If you follow there maths, suppressing only a few hundred millions inhabitants would allow vegetation to reclaim land, and “pull down enough carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to eventually chill the planet”. QED.

These people are truly bonkers: Listen to the co-author talk about the implications.

Co-author Dr Chris Brierley believes there is [a lesson for modern climate policy]. He said the fall-out from the terrible population crash and re-wilding of the Americas illustrated the challenge faced by some global warming solutions.

“There is a lot of talk around ‘negative emissions’ approaches and using tree-planting to take CO₂ out of the atmosphere to mitigate climate change,” he told BBC News.

What matters here, is it the actual temperature “outcome” or the level of a trace gas?

“And what we see from this study is the scale of what’s required, because the Great Dying resulted in an area the size of France being reforested and that gave us only a few ppm. This is useful; it shows us what reforestation can do. But at the same, that kind of reduction is worth perhaps just two years of fossil fuel emissions at the present rate.”

The lesson is always “more”: more reductions, more money, more rules.

What’s more scary — the amount of the Earth we’d have to reforest to get a perfect climate; the amount of people who have to die; or the lax, one sided training of BBC reporter Johnathon Amos?

What about the 50 million killed in the Black Death?

If human population controls the climate what did Earth do for the first 4.5 billion years?

If the Earth were to freeze or to fry,
Alarmists would always deny,
That the sun played a role,
Which beyond their control,
Would all their false dogma belie.

–Ruairi

h/t to George (Aprils fools day indeed@!) and Bill H. Thank you both.

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178 comments to Evil whites caused the Little Ice Age by bringing small-pox to America

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    Curious George

    Bisons used to roam Native American fields before becoming forest dwellers.

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      Mikky

      Indeed, Bison is one of the few large animal species that “Indigenous” people failed to drive to extinction as Homo sapiens spread around the world. As Yuval Noah Harari wrote in the bestselling book “Sapiens”:

      “Don’t believe tree-huggers who claim that our ancestors lived in harmony with nature. Long before the Industrial Revolution, Homo sapiens held the record among all organisms for driving the most plant and animal species to their extinctions.”

      Somehow I doubt that this fact is given prominence in the modern “Green” view of the world.

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        toorightmate

        Bison are slightly more indigenous than Elizabeth Warren.

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        Senex

        Not for want of trying.. The preferred method of “hunting” was to stampede whole herds off cliffs to their deaths. Look up “Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump” for details.

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        Bill In Oz

        Be careful what you quote from Huval Noah Harari’s books.
        He is a vegan with an agenda.
        But in this instance he is correct.

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        Hanrahan

        Our indiginees in Australia most definitely DIDN’T tread lightly on the land, they used fire-stick hunting – burn the bush and pick the barbecued koalas etc.

        This favoured the eucalyptus which needed fire to germinate seeds. Would our native bush have been “different” without this abuse? Quite possibly.

        Note: This does not come from a learned paper, it’s just how I see it.

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    Jonesy

    Gotta laugh, this crap keeps popping up, 2008,2011 and again this year must be slow news or they are just trying to get traction. Whodathunkit…the Spaniards must have been a powerful nation in their day. So powerful they changed the climate!

    BUT! What about those evil natives burning off and land clearing with gay abandonment. Had they no respect for gaia? So much so that gaia set the Spanish amongst them to atone their ways and banish them from the planet for their wickedness. See! Colonisation is really green!

    Gottago to sleep, my brain is rambling.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Perhaps this will help “unramble” your poor old brain:

      The Black Death in Europe preceded the colonization of the Americas by 100 years.

      The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30–60% of Europe’s total population. In total, the plague may have reduced the world population from an estimated 450 million down to 350–375 million in the 14th century. It took 200 years for the world population to recover to its previous level. The plague recurred as outbreaks in Europe until the 19th century.

      Where did the Black Death come from?

      It is thought to have originated in the dry plains of Central Asia, where it travelled along the Silk Road, reaching Crimea by 1343. From there, it was most likely carried by Oriental rat fleas living on the black rats that were regular passengers on merchant ships, spreading throughout the Mediterranean Basin and Europe.

      Oh! Bugger. Those orientals again!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

      Cultivated acreage halved in many circumstances as labour became scarce and land was left to lie fallow or return to its pre-agricultural state.

      Under unremitting pressure, the traditional cultivation of the demesne ceased to be viable for lord after lord: a centuries—old manorial system gradually unraveled and the nature of agriculture was transformed. The lord’s earliest concession to this new reality was curtailment of cultivated acreage, a trend that accelerated with time. The 590.5 acres sown on average at Great Saxham (Suffolk) in the late 1330s was more than halved (288.67 acres) in the 1360s, for instance.

      https://eh.net/encyclopedia/the-economic-impact-of-the-black-death/

      Seems to me if Brierley et al had looked a little closer they’d have noticed the Great Plague and realised that their hypothesis was on very shaky ground before they wasted their time.

      However, as we know, it’s not about finding the truth is it?

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        Sceptical Sam
        You show the timing is all messed up. Well done.
        Now how about those locations they mention? The “climate change™” cult preaches that the little ice age was a localised European thing. The colonisation seems to have occurred in all the wrong places for that doctrinal position and the Co2 reduction was seen in Antarctica.

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        Graeme No.3

        The Little Ice Age started when? No-one noticed except that the Icelanders were in trouble in the early 1200′s and dropped their independence and became subject to the Danish kingdom. The arctic ice started expanding around 1250.
        England had a famine in 1280 that reported killed about 10% of the population, but this was nothing until the disasters in 1315-17 when heavy persistent rains destroyed the grain harvest and food for grazing animals, hence known as The Great Dying of the Beasts**.
        There was famine in England and a lot of Europe. This was before the Black Death struck in 1347.
        With the loss of somewhere between 25 and 50% of the population a lot of marginal agricultural land was abandoned. Places like Dartmoor and hilltop farms so there was no growth of trees (or shrubs). It also caused much upheaval in the feudal system.

        **Browsing animals like pigs were less affected and the diet of the English changed to make roast pork a favourite meat.

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          beowulf

          Pigs aren’t browsers Graeme, but I get your drift. Deer and goats are browsers (tree and shrub eaters). Herds of pigs were traditionally driven into the English forests in autumn to fatten on fallen acorns. They are omnivores and carrion scavengers who will happily turn to cannibalism if the opportunity arises. Scavengers generally survive when others succumb. When they get hungry they will attack and eat living animals on the farm, especially lambs etc, and have been known to even attack sleeping humans as happened a couple of times in northern Australia back in the 90s. Pigs are survivors.

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          Phoenix 44

          That was the end of the Medieval Warm Period rather than the start of the Little Ice Age.

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        Bitter&twisted

        What these virtue-signaling geniuses, at UCL have forgotten is that over the last 20 years the World has got about 15% greener thanks to reforestation.
        And what has happened.
        Zilch, nada.

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        ATheoK

        Well stated, Sceptical Sam!

        There are multiple other issues with their assumption that significant New World natives perished at the end of the Fifteenth Century.

        Spain and their sweet gold crazed Conquistadors brought several European epidemics to Cuba and South America. Some have estimated over two million natives perished, allowing their Amazonian cities and copious farmlands to be overrun by jungle.

        European sporadic attempts to colonize North America resulted in limited episodes of Native American tribes devastated by disease.
        Those episodic epidemics were very limited in area and numbers of Native American deaths.
        Small tribes did disappear along the East Coast.
        Other tribes were decimated by conquest over a couple hundred years.

        During the late 17th Century and into the early 18th Century, greater efforts were made to introduce disease to problem tribes living in desired locations. e.g. Mandan Indians living along the Mississippi River. Problems because they lived where caucasians wanted to own property and rights of way.

        Purposely and accidentally introduced disease greatly reduced Native Americans living in the Mississippi drainage system. This allowed displaced Native Americans to ‘move West’ and claim the Plains for themselves.
        Enter the Dakota, aka Sioux, Cheyenne, Pawnees, etc.

        Tribes located along the Conquistadors trampled path across America’s South and Southwest recovered their populations by the time colonists were moving west in force. e.g. Comanche, Apache, Navahoe, etc. etc.

        None of the Cuban or North American decimated tribes allowed new forest to grow.
        * The East Coast forests were being cut down for construction and ship building, including European ship building.
        * American plains did not see any surge in forests.
        * Arid areas from Texas west did not experience new forests.
        * Central America was mostly forested even where indigenous peoples lived.
        * Amazon jungle replaced agriculture and suburban jungle landscaping, at best.

        Yersinia pestis, aka the cause of the ‘bubonic plague’ or ‘black death’ is hosted by rodent fleas. Rodents carrying yersinia pestis infected fleas are now endemic around the world.
        Though, I am not aware of great areas of forest growing in the wake of the ‘black death’ plague. Small areas, perhaps; a France sized area? That assumption smacks of a ‘model’ or fudged spreadsheet.

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    Clyde Spencer

    The authors of the ‘study’ overlook the fact that cooling water will “suck” CO2 out of the atmosphere because CO2 is more soluble in cold water than in warm water. It looks like another example of ‘researchers’ having reached a conclusion and then looking for confirming anecdotes.

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    Tom O

    “That’s the conclusion of scientists from University College London, UK.”

    First, the research paper is a joke. Second, the “scientists” authoring this paper are jokes. And third, the University that would associate itself with such a stupid piece is itself a joke. Thanks for letting me know not to take seriously ANYONE associated with this clown school, though I suspect they couldn’t even turn out good clowns.

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    AZ1971

    There is a kind of wormhole here in the maths where negative CO2 units are far more powerful than positive ones.

    This is what I like to see: hard-hitting questions to be asked of the so-called “experts”. We’ve reforested far more than an area the size of France with the recent greening of the planet but that hasn’t drawn down the CO2 level at all, nor the global mean temperature (GMT).

    My father used to tell me, “Even the lowest passing graduate in medical school gets to put an ‘MD’ behind his or her name” — referring, of course, to the fact that there’s a wide disparity in quality between graduating at the top of the class or barely passing. Same goes for any Ph.D wishing to study climate science (which we all know has the entertaining alternative of ‘piled higher and deeper’) — there’s a wide disparity between quality science and alchemistic scribing being passed off as science. This is an example of the latter and not the former.

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      Len

      In Australia and the British Commonwealth, the medical graduates are given an MBBS. Bachelor of Medicine and a bachelor of Surgery. In the US system their first medical degree is call an MD. Doctor of Medicine. In the British system an MD is a post graduate degree, much higher than the US version.
      Do the yanks have a degree similar to our MD?

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    “These people are truly bonkers”

    The ground truth disputes CAGW in many ways, so being bonkers is a prerequisite for anyone on the side of the IPCC’s fake science.

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    Never mind Little Ice Age or even Big Ice Age. Just about the whole flaming Cenozoic Era has been Snakes and Ladders without the ladders…
    https://www.learner.org/courses/envsci/visual/visual.php?shortname=cenozoic

    Mammals! It was like permanent summer hols in Mullumbimby before that lot moved in.

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    old44

    Does anyone ever test these scientists for drugs.

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    Yonniestone

    The warmists are good at one thing, recycling, the premise of this story was used a few years ago using Genghis Kahn’s conquests and the subsequent reduction in population as the catalyst in stopping the Medieval Warm Period, this is confusing as historic texts refer to a lot of burning during battles not to mention the innumerable amount of natural fires, disasters, vegetation decomposition, volcanic activity or CO2 released from warm oceans that produce far more CO2 combined globally than a designated area on a continent.

    Then for CO2 reduction there’s Plankton, Phytoplankton, atmospheric water vapour………

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    As I mentioned in another post, equilibrium. The planet balances things out when required, and I think it has a tendency to also expose the insane and the unscrupulous.

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    [...] for the You Could Not Make It Up file. Well you could not make it up but someone did. Colonisation of the Americas at the end of the 15th Century killed so many people, it disturbed [...]

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    Ruairi

    If the Earth were to freeze or to fry,
    Alarmists would always deny,
    That the sun played a role,
    Which beyond their control,
    Would all their false dogma belie.

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    Mark D.

    The team says the disruption that followed European settlement led to a huge swathe of abandoned agricultural land being reclaimed by fast-growing trees and other vegetation.

    This pulled down enough carbon dioxide (CO₂) from the atmosphere to eventually chill the planet.

    …….

    Poor whitey can’t git no peace.

    It must have been the clearing of those fields that caused UNFAIR warming first then when they were reclaimed they caused UNFAIR cooling. Me thinks it would have been net zero effect but what does I know?

    When talkin about whitey, make sure you mention “abusive”, “entitled”, “racist”, “genocidal”, XXXist (etal), and XXXphobic (etal).

    That’s sure to get you more press coverage.

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      ivan

      Before they made sweeping statements like that they should have spoken to historians of that period – they would have found that the ‘huge swathe of abandoned agricultural land’ wasn’t, the huge swathe of agricultural land came much later.

      All this paper shows is the ignorance of the authors and their total belief in the doctrine of the UN Church of Climatology.

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    Mark M

    Applying the climate ‘science’ logic above, this could be the red-flag reason for the last ice age, which no-one denies …

    High Ceilings and a Lovely View: Denisova Cave Was Home to a Lost Branch of Humanity.

    The mysterious Denisovans may have occupied a cave in what is now Siberia for more than 250,000 years.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/30/science/neanderthals-denisovans-humans.html#click=https://t.co/cDvP11no06

    “At some point in the distant past, the Denisovans disappeared — but not before interbreeding with modern humans.

    Today, people in places like East Asia and New Guinea still carry fragments of Denisovan DNA

    One of the biggest obstacles to understanding the Denisovans is their age.

    ‘These Denisovans, we have no idea how old they are,’” said Katerina Douka, an archaeologist at the Max Planck Institute …”

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    Rosco

    Trenberth et al claim that ~83% of the IR emitted by Earth comes from the atmosphere.

    All climate scientists say that 99% of the atmosphere do not contribute to IR emissions. (if they did emit IR the tiny amount from 0.042 % is irrelevant).

    If this is true and 83% of IR emitted to space by Earth comes from GHG’s – water vapour and CO2 – surely it stands to reason that an atmosphere with more IR emitters will emit more to space not less.

    NASA’s Nimbus satellite series data plotted in graphical form appears to confirm this (despite the ludicrous text).

    The graph at https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/Nimbus/nimbus2.php shows a positive anomaly for almost the entire period from 1979 to 2005. Unless I am mistaken a positive anomaly means MORE radiation to space consistent with an external forcing and NOT less radiation to space consistent with “heat trapping”.

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    Weren’t the inhabitants of North America nomadic tribes of Indians with little or no interest in agriculture ?

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      el gordo

      Native plants were probably utilised for medicinal purposes, but maize, squash and beans were all Mexican imports before Europeans arrived.

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      toorightmate

      Stephen,
      I’ll ask Elizabeth Warren.

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      Sambar

      No Stephen, this is a common misconception brought about by cowboy movies. Indigenous AMerican indigenous peoples had hughly varying economies generally based on local geography. Probably more than 50% of tribes were agriculturally based. Plains tribes, the ones we generally see in the cowboy flicks, were hunter gatherers, coastal tribes had marine based economies. Lots of native Americans had permanent or seasonally permanent places of residence. Many tribes were fine workers of stones and metal.

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        Sambar

        Forgot to say that some west coast tribes also used coal as fuel for kilns for pottery firing. This was probably the cause of initial warming of North America.

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        Phoenix 44

        Which tribes worked metals? The entire Americas were essentially stone-age prior to the arrival of Europeans.

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      Peter C

      Link to your website seems to be down Stephen.

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      The Cahokia Mounds in modern Illinois are the site of a settled and developed culture which it would be fair to describe as classically urban. Cahokia was a trade and manufacturing centre supporting and supported by much agriculture. Food plants originating in Mesoamerica were developed and improved for the temperate regions of the Mississippian culture.

      Not surprisingly, Cahokia’s peak coincides with the Medieval Warming. Some even claim it would have had much the same population as London or more in the 1200s (but I’d hang back on that one).

      Maintaining a city is not easy, what with pollution, erosion and exhaustion of soils, wildlife etc; but it’s interesting that Cahokia’s abandonment occurred around 1300 AD, just as trouble was starting on the other side of the Atlantic and Greenland real estate was taking a hit.

      Climate change, global warming and global cooling are real. It’s just that the people who bang on most about these things don’t seem to know it.

      The good news is that much of what the Cahokian culture developed was passed on for use by others in those centuries before Europeans and horses changed the face of what is now the USA.

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      Alice Thermopolis

      MONTEZUMA’S REVENGE

      Don’t forget the Aztecs.

      Maybe the authors were inspired by this paper: https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2009/06/the-aztec-solution/

      Aztec solution: a recently discovered relationship with important implications for global warming mitigation. Modelling data from an analysis of the Codex Cihuacoatl revealed a strong causal pathway between climate change and the Aztec rituals of “nourishing the gods” with blood sacrifice.

      “Revival of humane human sacrifice (HHS) is recommended as a mechanism for retarding environmental degradation, reducing dangerous climate change and improving crop yields by allowing more effective control of surface temperature and rainfall; creating anthropogenic biochar for soil enhancement and long-term carbon enrichment, especially in tropical environments with low-carbon sequestration capacity and depleted ferrasol and acrisol zones; and reducing population growth rates as Gaia’s carrying capacity comes under further pressure this century.”

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      sophocles

      Stephen:
      Look up The Iroquois Confederacy (c. 1570′s +/- something) and the legends of Hiawatha.

      They were discovering agriculture after having suffered the Wolf Minimum, and then suffering the Cosmic Ray storm of the Sporer, and doing a pretty fair job of it. The Maunder was yet to come and so was the white man. It was at the start of the nineteenth century that the white Americans went into all-out land-grab mode. The British, had to meddle towards the end of the eighteenth century in their own inimitable way.

      Human beings in any quantity from 8 – 80 billion are not enough to even be insignificant to the Sun. They don’t rate at all.

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    Mal

    One of the weaknesses of democracy is we empower and reward stupidity.
    We are moving from the Holocene to the Idiocene where the inmates are taking over the asylum.
    These reports just show how stupid the people are that support and publish them and how gullible people are in believing them and supporting politicians that create policies that are against the best interests of these same masses

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      PeterS

      True but at some point once the pain threshold is reached people will wake up and react accordingly. Give it time and Australia will re-join the rest of the real world and start building new coal and possibly nuclear power stations. If we don’t then China will do it for us once we have crashed and burned.

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      sophocles

      Great idea, Mal!
      They (the Idiots, Science Deniers, Warmists, Born Again Communists (they’re one and the same) all wanted to call it the Anthropocene. Mickey Mann even endorsed that. But nope, wasn’t to be. It didn’t work and they didn’t get it.

      I think your idea of the Idiocene is much more accurate and better. My vote is YES!
      To spice it up along the lines of the United Nations creed of Transparent Impenetrability we could also consider the the Cretinocene.

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    Hoax article by the Sokal squared group?

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    Bruce of Newcastle

    It is possible that the reforestation did indeed cool the planet.

    That is because forests produce volatile organic compounds which can increase cloud seeding in conjunction with galactic cosmic rays. That has been shown by the CERN Cloud experiment.

    So it’s plausible the Maunder Minimum led to more GCRs impacting the lower atmosphere to be met by VOCs emitted from trees. Increased cloud cover then cooled temperatures by increasing the Earth’s albedo.

    However this completely falsify the BBC story, since it wasn’t CO2 which did it. Instead it was the Sun going through a low activity phase.

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      el gordo

      Do you give much credence to the theory that the volcanism between 1275 and 1300 AD was the tipping point slide into the Maunder?

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      Mark D.

      But Bruce, the first and major flaw in their toilet paper is the notion of “huge swathe” of agricultural land. starting in the late 15thcentury? Later than that the notion that these huge swathe were abandoned after someone toiled to clear it of trees and rocks? No way. Cleared agricultural land was so precious in those early years I doubt a stray weed grew much less forests.

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      Kinky Keith

      Interesting outline.

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      Hasbeen

      This is not accounting for the fact that increasing evidence shows that the Spaniards were right about millions of people living in & farming, what became the Amazon basin, after European disease wiped out a whole civilisation, after only passing quickly through it.

      Perhaps we will get another version of this rubbish, if these idiots ever catch up with the true history of the Amazon.

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      Hasbeen

      This is not accounting for the fact that increasing evidence shows that the Spaniards were right about millions of people living in & farming, what became the Amazon rain forest basin, after European disease wiped out a whole civilisation, after only passing quickly through it.

      Perhaps we will get another version of this rubbish, if these idiots ever catch up with the true history of the Amazon.

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    Another Ian

    More muddles all the way down

    “Global Mean Surface Temperature: Early 20th Century Warming Period – Models versus Models & Models versus Data”

    “Additionally, I’ve uncovered something about the climate models stored in the CMIP5 archive that I hadn’t heard mentioned or seen presented before. It amazed even me, and I know how poorly these climate models perform. ”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/01/global-mean-surface-temperature-early-20th-century-warming-period-models-versus-models-models-versus-data/

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    PeterS

    The lesson is always “more”: more reductions, more money, more rules.

    Yes but no one is bothering to listen and act that way, except a few stupid nations like Australia. Meanwhile several hundreds of new coal fired power stations are being built in many places around the world and the renewables fanatics can’t do a damn thing to stop it.

    Message for PM Morrison. Pull your finger out and join the consensus around the world that the CAGW story is a hoax and introduce incentives to allow new coal fired power stations to be built here as well.

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    Dennis

    The US must be made a communist state, a very thought provoking climate change hoax article …

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/10/the_hidden_agenda_behind_climate_change.html

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    robert rosicka

    OT , I have finally figured out that “Unprecedented ” means – only once before but no more than two or three times .

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-02/tasmanian-bushfires-from-the-air-satellite-images/10771528

    Also notice the 1898 fires in the Huon area don’t record the total area burnt .

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    How much were these clown-scientists at University College London paid to make them dream up this rubbish. Were they smoking sustances? The ‘research’ paper is a joke from start to finish and a disgrace to serious science. University College London has never been an acclaimed body, but this effort takes it well behind th Eight Ball. The paper is also a Proselytiser for eugenics, population control and other fascist proclivities.

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      PeterS

      It’s not science – it’s anti-science. Researchers too often are pushing out nonsense and lies in many fields. See https://retractionwatch.com/

      Message for PM Morrison. Penalise any University telling lies about so called climate change, such as the supposed man-made cause and the failed solution of reducing CO2 emissions. It is a hoax and much of the world knows it and is acting accordingly by building hundreds more coal fired power stations. Time you did too.

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    The problem with mass human deaths as a cause of global cooling is that the Medieval Warming came to an end at the start of the chaotic 14th century. The early 1300s saw climatic changes leading up to the Hundred Years War and Black Death. The Great Famine starting 1315 was the tragic soften-up for what would come.

    In short, if there was re-forestation in the 1300s due to the Black Death etc, the cooling came first. The LIA is a loose term which may be applied to the climate around 1700 but it could also be applied to the succession of minima between the 14th and early 19th centuries where the climate never managed to reach the peaks of the preceding Medieval or current Modern Maxima.

    The cooling climate killed the people, not the other way around. Of course, Europe then lacked the population levels and weather to allow them to grow food as they had done in the previous warmer centuries, so there may have been vegetal regrowth.

    But it wasn’t because Pope Clement and Philip the Fair brought on curses for knocking off the Templars (a contemporary explanation). It wasn’t the forest pushing out the plough. It was the Wolf Minimum. And with a bit of luck our Modern Maximum will be followed by a nasty Wolf rather than a much meaner Maunder. Are we ready for that, by the way. Or do we only look left when crossing the road?

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      Greg in NZ

      Ya means all those sunspot minima were unprecedented™ coz they were unique/distinctive with their own signature/pulse – fluctuating as opposed to repeating – never-seen-before in living memory… obviously caused by you-know-who. Sounds like Life / Nature / Being to me.

      And what is it with homo australis zealandia looking left when stepping out onto a road – the vehicle is coming at you from your right! Too much Sesame Street or LA law or NY street movies? Right, left, right (repeat till you’re safely across the road/highway/footpath, do NOT text, do NOT look at your phone, LOOK UP AND LOOK OUT!). Has been a long day/night on the road and everyone made it home safely, despite eedjits walking out in front of me while texting…

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    RickWill

    This link gives the actual paper:
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379118307261

    This is the stuff careers are built on in a world where CO2 is Earth’s thermostat. The believers no longer need argue that the LIA was a local phenomenon. They can now agree it was global and the cause was reducing CO2.

    CO2 is indeed the magic molecule. It not only provides the basis of all life on Earth but minute changes in its atmospheric concentration controls Earths temperature.

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    David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

    Jo’s headline above, “Genocide of Native Americans helped cause Little Ice Age: scientists”, was also used in SMH yesterday. I thought a better, and front page, headline in that august publication should have been:
    “SMH discovers the Little Ice Age”.

    The abbreviation LIA would not have been appropriate as its editors would know that few of their readers would recognise it.

    Cheers,
    Dave B

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    Dave in the States

    One of dangers of rewriting history is that it is usually more of commentary on current memes rather than the ethos of the historical era they examine. For example, a movie western filmed in the 1960s will likely be more about Vietnam or civil rights than about the 1800s.

    This is just today’s social justice warriors engaging in post hoc ergo procter hoc, or in other words more buffalo processed grass.

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    TdeF

    “What about the 50 million killed in the Black Death?”

    Yes, the Slave trade brought the Black Death to Europe. Run by the Venetians but part of so many cultures since Roman days.

    Plus war. Napoleon and Hitler. Their massive destruction by cannon fire produce the rapid climate change to winters which stopped them in Moscow and Stalingrad.

    The Mongol invasions too, perhaps 1/3 of the population were slaughtered. That may have been responsible for some really nasty weather.

    You can just keep making it up, virtue signalling with both hands, righteous anger and the weather and Gaia will settle the scores.

    We are getting back to the idea that the weather is God’s vengeance against the evil, especially people who drive cars, like hamburgers or have cattle, sheep, even chooks.

    When the Weather Rapture comes only the Greens will be saved. Plus merchant bankers, public servants in Brussells, Washington and Canberra who write the laws and the politicians who are their humble servants.

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      Kinky Keith

      You forgot one at the end.

      New York.

      They love it, close enough to the U.N. to reinforce the memories of their connection to the power system and far enough away from the people they shafted to be able to live in peace.

      KK

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    Peter Fitzroy

    So around 60 million died in North, South and Central America, which also made it easier for the invaders. The amount of land abandoned was huge, march larger than the quoted ‘size of France’ As a theory, it has some punch.

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      el gordo

      The civilised Europeans brought disease, for which the local people had no resistance, the same situation prevailed in Australia.

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        TdeF

        Disease went both ways, into populations with no resistance. For example Syphilis was an American disease. Not that it ever received a lot of publicity even though it was often transmitted in the same way.

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    joseph

    And don’t forget all the passenger pigeons and bison . . . .

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      Hanrahan

      Was it passenger pigeons that “darkened the sky” when they took to the air? What a wonderful place Nth America must have been for the early settlers.

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        toorightmate

        There was an excess of carrier pigeons in the sky so Al Gore had to invent the internet to relieve the skies of the congestion.

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          Hanrahan

          OK I did my own search:

          One day in rural Monroe County, Indiana during the 1870s, 10-year-old Walter Rader witnessed an astonishing natural phenomenon: passenger pigeons had gathered at his family farm “by the millions.” As the birds descended on the farm, they blocked out “almost the entire visible area of sky.” He remembered that so many pigeons roosted in the trees surrounding the farm at night “that their weight would often break large limbs from the trees.” The crash rang so loudly he could hear it clearly inside his house.

          The US was endowed with so much natural resources and I’m thinking especially the vast farmlands of the fly-over country, that only communism could have prevented it becoming the dominant world power.

          Well the resources have been raped and the communists are at the gates . Can the US survive AWKI? If they assassinate Trump the odds are agin ‘em.

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    2019-02-02- Jo,
    A fantastic article from the US- and an img of a car with icicle’s hanging off it!
    https://climatechangedispatch.com/why-green-energy-is-futile-in-one-lesson/

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      Hanrahan

      From your article:

      Renewable energy apologists often argue that although the wind may not be blowing in your neighbourhood, it’s blowing, somewhere. All we have to do, they argue, is build wind turbines and transmission lines all over the country so we can have renewable energy everywhere.

      That reminds me of the alco’s excuse: “It’s always 5 o’clock somewhere”.

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        Dave in the States

        The faulty assumption that if just build enough wind infrastructure that it can replace fossil fuels is so destructive.

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      Hanrahan

      Last [northern] spring I read and posted an article saying that it was coal that saved the day, and lives no doubt, in the severe winter [Wot? Another one so soon?]

      It explained that nuclear is always fully committed, that gas had to be limited to generators because of high demand for heating and renewables – well they were being renewables but coal generators had stockpiles of fuel on the pad. When you think about it coal on the pad is the only thing that can be stored in useful quantities.

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    Bill In Oz

    This story was also in the Age yesterday as well as the BBC. But not so far on the ABC…Maybe a temporary lapse on the ABC’s part

    https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/genocide-of-native-americans-helped-cause-little-ice-age-scientists-20190201-p50v1l.html

    The European exspansion started with the Vikings who got to New Found Land and Labrador as well as Iceland in the 9th-10th Centuries CE – during the Medieval Warming period – well before the Little Ice Age.But there is no evidence of major populations crashes in North America at this time.

    The Spanish expansion into the Caribean & Mexico was accompanied by the introduction of new diseases for which the native peoples had little genetic resistance. And Millions of people are thought to have died in the 1530′s -1640′s from these diseases.

    But the little Ice Age started to have an impact in the 1440′s. And as it was a global phenomenon it had an impact in America as well as Europe..And caused population falls globally..

    This ‘research’ paper thus reverses causality and history. Which is pretty dopey research in my opinion.

    Now there is the issue of CO2 levels in the atmosphere declining during the Little Ice Age.

    Given that it was a global phenomenon, the oceans also cooled. And cooler water is capable of absorbing higher levels of CO2 than warmer water.

    So once again this nonsense research reverses causality..

    But it definitely serves a purpose – to make anyone of European ancestry feel ‘guilt’.

    In much the same way that Germans living today are sometimes blamed for what happened in Europe from 1939-1945.

    It is very effective ‘psychologically’ but is scientifically utter bushsh*t.

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      ivan

      to make anyone of European ancestry feel ‘guilt’.

      A slight modification to that ‘to make those of European ancestry suffering from the modern education system feel ‘guilt’.’ The snowflake millennial that has gone through what passes for education today is the most susceptible to this psychological manipulation of groupthink.

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    theRealUniverse

    BOGGLE DEPT..
    “The BBC is reporting that academics from University College London have discovered that the Little Ice Age was not caused by the record low solar activity of the Maunder Minima, instead it was due to the colonization of the Americas. Thanks mostly to measles and small pox the death toll was so enormous that about 9% of the global population died, supposedly leaving empty farmlands. These were swiftly covered in forests causing a deadly fall in CO2 which cooled the world.”

    You cant make this stuff up!!!
    Theres a mental institution down the road next to the BBC headquarters, should be able to take most of them…

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      TRU

      Something about that last week’s limits to human stupidity weren’t wide enough?

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        ivan

        You never reach the limits of human stupidity, especially of those that follow the UN Church of Climatology doctrine.

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      toorightmate

      The mental institution is not down the road from the BBC headquarters.
      BBC headquarters is the mental institution.

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    pat

    kind of fitting on this thread:

    1 Feb: National Post Canada: Did Bill Nye just suggest the U.S. will have to annex Canada to grow crops?
    ‘The growing (of crops) in North America is going to have to move north into what would nominally be Canada,’ the Science Guy said in a discussion about climate change
    by Nick Faris
    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/did-bill-nye-just-suggest-the-u-s-will-have-to-annex-canada-to-grow-crops

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      Pat

      That might solve the Trudeau problem

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      Graeme No.3

      pat:

      I would comment on Bill Nye’s brain but it would get me moderated. It is far more likely that Canadians will be growing their food in the USA, and probably far south of the common border.

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    pat

    CAGW madness makes the CAGW mob more stupid:

    9 Dec 2018: UK Independent: Climate change likely to make us more stupid, study finds
    Rising levels of carbon dioxide could affect concentration and decision-making of global workforce
    by Adam Forrest
    A new study by academics at University College London (UCL) found that higher amounts of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere could affect our memory, concentration and decision-making abilities…
    The UCL team said evidence indicated that “human cognitive performance declines with increasing CO2 levels”…
    Publishing their findings in Building Service Engineering, the researchers at UCL’s Energy Institute said attempts to minimise the impact was likely to change the way ventilation systems were engineered in buildings and transport systems…

    Earlier this year, a study by Yale School of Public Health (LINK) found that air pollution caused a drop in intelligence levels…
    “Polluted air can cause everyone to reduce their level of education by one year, which is huge,” said Yale scientist Xi Chen…
    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-carbon-dioxide-intelligence-greenhouse-gas-more-stupid-ucl-study-a8674706.html

    14 Dec 2018: UCL: Study into mitigating effects of higher CO2 levels on productivity receives widespread coverage
    A paper published by academics from the UCL Energy Institute looked at how increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere could affect human cognitive performance, how building ventilation systems might mitigate this, and the likely cost and energy implications.

    The paper, published in July 2018 in the Building Services Engineering Research and Technology journal, is entitled “Possible future impacts of elevated levels of atmospheric CO2 on human cognitive performance and on the design and operation of ventilation systems in buildings” (LINK). Its authors are Prof Robert Lowe, Dr Gesche Huebner and Prof Tadj Oreszczyn, all from the UCL Energy Institute at The Bartlett…

    Using projections from the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) about the likely rise in concentrations of atmospheric CO2 by the end of the century, the researchers examined what the effect on air quality might be for indoor workers, given that CO2 levels tend to be higher indoors.
    The authors found that, overall, half of all studies found a decline in cognitive performance when levels of CO2 were increased…

    Media coverage
    The paper’s findings have featured in numerous publications, as well as on Radio 4′s Broadcasting House (44 minutes in) on Sunday 9 December.
    LIST OF MEDIA
    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/energy/news/2018/dec/study-mitigating-effects-higher-co2-levels-productivity-receives-widespread-coverage

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      Mal

      The CO2 concentrations in submarines can reach 5000 – 8000 ppm and They can stay down for months.
      Has there been any research into the IQ of these sailors and particularly officers who must be on top of their game at all times.
      The average CO2 in an office building can reach between, 600 and 800 ppm.
      Have all the staff including managers and technical staff suddenly had a drop in IQ?
      The drop of in intelligence is more probably related to diet, lack of exercise the education system where maths and science in the west are no longer mandatory and has been overtaken by soft subjects that appeal to feelings, art sociology, humanities etc.
      These are all fine but in the physical world where we currently exist we need to know and understand the physical science as well as chemistry and biology.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Those UCLUK “scientists” mustn’t know what to do with themselves. They have wandered away from reality. A few weeks on an outback Oz property maintaining barbed wire fences and keeping everything else up to scratch would repair their reality quotient and be the cause for some real scientific cerebration.

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    TdeF

    On the current cold snap, now setting records in Sweden, times have changed. No longer do people talk about the cold. They want to know what caused it and we hear about Polar Vortices and the stratosphere and all sorts of meteorological phenomena. El Nino and La Nina. The weather is even controlled by small pox.

    In fact the Climate models mentioned none of this. They tell us it is getting warmer and that it’s our fault. Now cooling is our fault too. So improving life expectancy from say 24 years in India when the British arrived to 70 years now would seem to add a lot of people and a lot of warming. A lot of food, agriculture, water management and of course human output is comparable to a car and 7 billion people is a lot of cars and results in clearing a lot of trees.

    So you mix it up in a bowl and say it is all the fault of CO2. Everything is controlled by CO2 or caused by CO2.
    Not the Maunder minimum, the PDO, the De Vries cycles, nutation of the planet’s axis, the earth’s eccentric orbit, polar vortices, tropical storms, monsoons.

    Somehow building 350,000 windmills will make everything fine and despite the fact that CO2 just keeps steadily climbing, they are
    obviously right. It’s now freezing.

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    pat

    BBC, Fairfax, Guardian….and now CNN:

    1 Feb: CNN: European colonizers killed so many Native Americans that it changed the global climate, researchers say
    by Lauren Kent
    “CO2 and climate had been relatively stable until this point,” said UCL Geography Professor Mark Maslin, of of the study’s co-authors. “So, this is the first major change we see in the Earth’s greenhouse gases.”…

    “The ice cores showed that there was a larger dip in CO2 (than usual) in 1610, which was caused by the land and not the oceans,” said Alexander Koch, lead author of the study.
    A small shift in temperatures — about a 10th of a degree in the 17th century — led to colder winters, frosty summers and failing harvests, Koch said…
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/01/world/european-colonization-climate-change-trnd/index.html

    The Conversation Bio: Alexander Koch, PhD candidate in Physical Geography, UCL
    After my undergraduate in Physical Geography at Philipps-University Marburg, Germany I worked for various NGOs focusing on carbon offsetting mechanisms. I moved to the UK in 2011 to study for my postgraduate degree in Global Environmental Change at King’s in London. Enjoying life in the UK, I then took up a job as a GIS Analyst at the Centre For Fisheries and Aquaculture Science in East Anglia. My work spanned diverse topics from anthropogenic pressures on the marine habitat to climate change impacts. In 2014 I moved back to London to start my PhD studies at UCL through the NERC London Doctoral Training Partnership. I work with complex Earth System Models to research the potential of reforestation and forest restoration as climate change mitigation approaches. I’m also interested in historical “naturalisation” events that better illustrates the challenge we’re facing.
    http://theconversation.com/profiles/alexander-koch-655591

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      pat

      should have noted Centre For Fisheries and Aquaculture Science (Cefas) mentioned in Koch’s bio is connected to UEA.

      UEA: Cefas and the University of East Anglia have worked together since Cefas first became an Affiliated Institute of UEA in 1965. This enduring and productive relationship is based on our shared interest in the marine environment, climate science, provision of policy advice and scientific excellence…

      check the bios of the other 3 authors here (click on names in righthand column):

      31 Jan: The Conversation: European colonisation of the Americas killed 10% of world population and caused global cooling
      Authors: Alexander Koch, Chris Brierley, Mark Maslin, Simon Lewis
      Disclosures:
      Alexander Koch receives funding from the Natural Environment Research Council Doctoral Training Partnership initiative.

      Chris Brierley receives funding from the Natural Environment Research Council, the Belmont Forum and the national Science Foundation (US) to study climates of the past and future.

      Mark Maslin is a Founding Director of Rezatec Ltd, Director of The London NERC Doctoral Training Partnership and a member of Cheltenham Science Festival Advisory Committee. He is an unpaid member of the Sopra-Steria CSR Board. He has received grant funding in the past from the NERC, EPSRC, ESRC, Royal Society, DIFD, DECC, FCO, Innovate UK, Carbon Trust, UK Space Agency, European Space Agency, Wellcome Trust, Leverhulme Trust and British Council. He has received research funding in the past from The Lancet, Laithwaites, Seventh Generation, Channel 4, JLT Re, WWF, Hermes, CAFOD and Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors.

      Simon Lewis has received funding from Natural Environment Research Council, the Royal Society, the European Union, the Leverhulme Trust, the Centre for International Forestry, National Parks Agency of Gabon, Microsoft Research, the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation, the David and Lucile Packard Foundation.
      http://theconversation.com/european-colonisation-of-the-americas-killed-10-of-world-population-and-caused-global-cooling-110549

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    SkepticalScience recently published a short article, by somebody called Evan. The article was called “SkS Analogy 18 – Cliff jumping and temperature changes.

    The article starts with some “good” advice.

    “Regardless of the height of a cliff, jumping from cliffs is deadly. Hang-gliding from cliffs thrills. Jumping from cliffs kills.”

    I don’t like to nit-pick, but Evan, the author, doesn’t tell us how high the cliffs are. He said, “Regardless of the height of a cliff, jumping from cliffs is deadly.”

    But what if the cliff was only 10 centimetres high. I think that most people could survive a fall of 10 centimetres.

    Remember, that Evan said, “REGARDLESS of the height of a cliff”. So he didn’t specify a minimum height.

    This is a typical Alarmist tactic. They try to “trick” you, by playing on your emotions.

    They want you to picture yourself, crippled at the bottom of a 10 centimetre cliff, wishing that you had listened to their message about global warming.

    https://agree-to-disagree.com/skepticalscience-jumps-off-a-cliff

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      sophocles

      You could become really bold, Sheldon, and aver that jumping from a cliff is also not likely to be fatal if the cliff is of even 1,000 millimeters in height.

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    el gordo

    ….“pull down enough carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to eventually chill the planet”. QED.

    Beijing will build coal fired power stations in every African country as part of the new world order, this should help avoid a mini ice age.

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      Hanrahan

      There is little or nothing the Chinese do that I approve of, but powering up Africa gets a pass from me. Trouble is they will prolly repossess the power station, a port or other public asset when the client state defaults.

      With some wisdom and tolerance I believe Russia could/would join the “free” world. China is a threat to everyone, including Russia. Australia is very naive the way we deal with them – They are not our friends.

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    Here is another unplausible theory for the Little Ice controlled by CO2 which was pushed for in 2006. The Black Plague!
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4755328.stm

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    Scott

    Apologies if this has already been said.

    To save the world should we just plant as many trees as we possibly can?

    Probably to simple a solution for the esteemed “scientists”.

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    Graeme#4

    Look at the bio of the paper’s author, Prof. Mark Maslin. A climate change activist who has written many books on the subject. Just another BS paper from him. (Tried to say that in The Oz this Mong but was moderated out.)

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    theRealUniverse

    icecap.us
    Mathematical modeling illusions, Dr. Jay Lehr and Tom Harris
    “The dangerous human-caused climate change scare may well be the best hobgoblin ever conceived. It has half the world clamoring to be led to safety from a threat for which there is not a shred of meaningful physical evidence that climate fluctuations and weather events we are experiencing today are different from, or worse than, what our near and distant ancestors had to deal with or are human-caused.”

    Maybe these (above authors – University College London) fools can read this…unlikely!

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    el gordo

    A regional cooling signal in Australia.

    ‘A persistent high-pressure system in the Tasman Sea that blocked cold fronts and cooler air from reaching the country’s south, and a delayed monsoon in the north, contributed to the heatwave.’

    Guardian

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    Sylvia

    I bet this was University College’s idea of a joke which has now been taken up by any number of brainless idiots as the “truth”. Common sense should tell you that even if there were “huge” amounts of viruses the OCEANS are SO vast that they would be the body of water which cooled or warmed the planet !

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    dennisambler

    Which does what to whom?

    SOUTH AMERICA DURING THE LAST 150,000 YEARS – Jonathan Adams, Environmental Sciences Division, Oak Ridge National Laboratory

    “In general, it would seem that 150-130,000 y.a. the continent showed the general glacial-age pattern of colder and more arid conditions. After about 130,000 y.a., climate warmed and moistened and the forests reached a similar area to the present. After 115,000 y.a., cold and aridity began to influence the vegetation, to an arid, cool maximum around 70,000 y.a., followed by erratic but generally fairly cool and drier-than-present conditions throughout the continent. A second cold, arid maximum began around 22,000 years ago and lasted until about 14,000 14C y.a., after which rainfall and temperatures increased and the forests returned over several thousand years.”

    https://web.archive.org/web/19980704172829/http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nercSOUTHAMERICA.html

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    pat

    Graeme#4 your comment #43 is on the mark.

    remember Michael Grubb is at UCL – a China apologist:

    Nov 2015: China.org: China vital in global fight against climate change
    By Gong Yingchun
    China’s contribution to the global fight against climate change is obviously “important,” and the country may have “underestimated how important it is,” Michael Grubb, professor of International Energy and Climate Change Policy at the Institute for Sustainable Resources, University College London (UCL), told China.org.cn…
    Professor Grubb highlighted China’s substantial progress by pointing out it has become the biggest investor in renewable energy and is improving its energy efficiency rapidly.
    China’s endeavor is “changing the way the world looks at it,” he said, becoming “one of the progressive countries that is really starting now to try to solve the issue of climate change.

    China announced during President Xi Jinping’s U.S. visit in September that it will set up a nationwide carbon trading system by 2017 to show its determination to address climate change through the market mechanism.
    China’s emissions trading scheme is very important, said the British expert, but the process will be complicated. “It would be impossible to get it all right at first and it needs to evolve,” he said, cautioning that the emissions trading system is merely an instrument designed to support cleaner technologies and energy structural change, rather than simply giving emission permits to existing industry…
    Professor Grubb believes countries will have to be more ambitious and try their utmost to overachieve based on their presented plans…

    Another contentious issue which has been debated between developing and developed countries over the past few years is the Green Climate Fund (GCF). It was formally established at the Cancun meeting in 2010 after being initiated during the previous year at the Copenhagen conference, where developed countries agreed to mobilize US$100 billion annually by 2020 to help developing countries reduce emissions and adapt to the impact of climate change.

    However, the required amount of funding was not available for quite a long period. Now, the developed countries are halfway towards the 2020 deadline, and must speed up the mobilization of finance in order to fulfill their pledge.
    “Many countries do fully agree with the GCF,” Professor Grubb said, noting that the US$100 billion goal would be a mix of money from the public purse and other forms of investment, “a lot of which will be private money.”

    According to a statement on its official website, the Green Climate Fund has raised the equivalent of US$10.2 billion in pledges from 38 countries as of Nov. 2015. Despite a significant gap, “that’s a significant success of the negotiations,” the British academic said, adding that the financing is rather important but it won’t lead to the break-up of the Paris… conference even if it falls short of target.
    http://www.china.org.cn/environment/2015-11/20/content_37114610.htm

    UCL: Professor Michael Grubb
    Professor of Energy and Climate Change
    My research and experience have grouped broadly around four main themes:

    Energy innovation, with emphasis upon the innovation process in the energy sector, particularly in relation to renewable sources and the design of efficient and effect market structures and support systems

    Integration of renewable electricity sources into electricity systems and associated issues of system management, security and capacity adequacy, particularly as applied to UK system and interconnection

    Carbon pricing and emissions trading systems, including design of the EU ETS and industrial competitiveness and the international coordination and development of carbon pricing systems…

    An additional and rising area of interest is in financial systems, particularly in relation to investment and macroeconomic dimensions.
    Biography…READ ON
    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/sustainable/people/prof-michael-grubb

    lots on Michael Grubb in this thread/comments from 2012:

    March 2012: Bishop Hill: (Richard) Black and greenie
    Michael Grubb? Who he?
    Tom Wigley, in Climategate email #2547 helpfully provides some background…ETC
    http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2012/3/19/black-and-greenie.html

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      pat

      Grubb is also part of Climate Strategies, along with a whole cast of characters worth noting:

      includes Frank Jotzo (ANU), Michael Grubb (UCL), Paul Ekins (UCL), Duan Maosheng
      Professor and Director, China Carbon Market Center (CCMC), etc etc etc…

      Climate Strategies: Meet our people
      https://climatestrategies.org/about-us/meet-our-people/

      Climate Strategies: History
      In its rapid development since 2006, Climate Strategies has had a significant impact on the development of international policy responses to climate change.
      In 2017, we launched our new European Commission, Horizon2020 project ‘COP21 RIPPLES‘, analysing pathways and policies for low-emissions societies under the Paris Agreement regime. Our first stakeholder workshop, outlining the research narratives, was held in London in June 2017. For our Coal Transitions project, we launched national case studies and a synthesis report highlighting the key outcomes from historical transitions within the coal sector ETC…

      ***A selection of Climate Strategies’ supporters and collaborators includes:
      European Commission, European Climate Foundation, Foreign & Commonwealth Office, Dept BEIS, Stiftung Mercator, Republique Francaise, Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs & Energy Germany, Konrad Adenauer Stiftung, Children’s Investment Fund Foundation, The Stanley Foundation, Climate Works Foundation, Carbon Pricing Leadership Coalition, World Bank Group, Arcelor Mittal, Oak Foundation, Tata,
      https://climatestrategies.org/about-us/our-history/

      the architecture of the CAGW scam is monumental.

      5 Dec 2016: University College London: UCL launches UK-China Infrastructure Academy
      UCL and the UK government launched today the UK-China Infrastructure Academy, a major new initiative to help train Chinese companies and officials on investment processes in the UK and to encourage greater Chinese investment in UK infrastructure projects.
      The Academy will be delivered by the UCL Bartlett School of Construction and Project Management and will provide executive training programmes to senior business executives and policymakers.
      The launch highlights UCL’s commitment to intensifying its global engagement and using its world-class research and teaching expertise for wider international benefit, and builds on the university’s growing links with China.
      Infrastructure is a sector with huge potential for UK companies and Chinese investors, with major infrastructure programmes planned in both countries…

      The launch event on Monday will include keynote speeches from Andrew Percy MP, Minister for the Northern Powerhouse, and Vice Chairman Lin Nianxiu of China’s National Development and Reform Commission (China’s macro-planning ministry), and be attended by the first cohort of 30 Chinese executives and government officials…

      The UCL team will be led by Academic Director Dr. Chen-Yu Chang, in partnership with leading banks and professional services companies including HSBC and KPMG, law firms CMS, Ashurst and Hogan Lovells, as well as engineering firms Arup and AECOM.
      The launch of the Academy builds on UCL’s ties with China, which are growing in a number of key areas. In November, UCL reinforced its key strategic partnership with Peking University (PKU), with an agreement to jointly deliver an MBA programme at PKU’s campus in Beijing…
      https://www.ucl.ac.uk/global/news/2016/dec/ucl-launches-uk-china-infrastructure-academy

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    31 Jan: The Atlantic: Michael Bloomberg’s Secret Plans to Take Down Trump
    Whether or not he runs for president, the former New York City mayor is building the most powerful political organization in America
    by Edward-Isaac Dovere
    Though a budget has not been set, this effort would almost certainly become the biggest and most powerful political organization in the country overnight. It would also be the only real counter to the operation that Trump’s campaign put together in 2016, which reached out to millions of voters in a more targeted, under-the-radar way, and helped deliver the election to Trump by shaping voters’ thinking for months and then activating them on Election Day.
    The goal, as it’s been put at points in private meetings: “All the data.”

    A group of about 10 political and tech consultants meets every Thursday, usually in the converted Upper East Side mansion that is the headquarters of Bloomberg’s foundation and private offices. Discussions are led by Bloomberg’s top political aides, Kevin Sheekey and Howard Wolfson, as well as Brynne Craig, Hillary Clinton’s 2016 deputy field director and, for the past two years, a senior adviser to Bloomberg’s Everytown for Gun Safety group. Patti Harris, who was Bloomberg’s No. 2 in City Hall and remains a trusted adviser, joins for some of the meetings…
    The meetings have been going on for months, and have been kept a closely guarded secret…

    And Bloomberg continues highlighting strengths from his own record on gun control and climate change…

    ***He said that he’d release his own version of a Green New Deal soon…
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/bloomberg-building-data-organization-crush-trump/581710/

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    pat

    31 Jan: Herald-DispatchWestVirginia: Jim Ross: Coal saves the day during polar vortex
    Sitting in my house on the first day of a polar vortex that has frozen a good chunk of the Lower 48, I can’t help but be thankful some people’s dreams of eliminating coal as a power source has not come to fruition yet.
    Having 100 percent of our power come from renewables is a nice idea, but it bumps up against our needs when weather turns really, really bad.

    The Tri-State area is part of the PJM region, an electric grid management organization that stretches from the Atlantic Coast of New Jersey westward into central Kentucky. It includes the Chicago area as well. As of 11 a.m. Wednesday, power plants in the PJM region were producing 127,431 megawatts of electricity. That’s about 50 percent above normal.

    Coal-burning power plants, which have had a declining share of the generating market for several years, were pumping out 46,611 megawatts of that, or about 37 percent. Natural gas plants produced 36,369 megawatts, or 29 percent. Nuclear plants produced 34,527, or 27 percent.
    So coal and gas – fossil fuels – kept the lights on and furnaces running by providing two-thirds of the region’s power needs. The two sources that are on their way out – coal and nuclear – combined to provide the same amount.

    Where were renewables? Even on a windy day, renewables provided 8,357 megawatts to the grid. That was a mere 7 percent. Projections were that Thursday would have even higher power demands than Wednesday, so fossil fuels would be needed even more…

    On a short-term basis, the market for thermal coal, the kind burned by power plants, is ticking up in recent months, at least on the Norfolk Southern network.
    “On the utility front, stockpiles have declined in the North and in the South by 17 days over the past year, and talking to some of our coal-producing customers, it’s pretty clear that utilities are screaming for coal at this point,” Alan Shaw, Norfolk Southern’s chief marketing officer, said in the quarterly conference call with investment analysts last week.

    Earlier in the call, Shaw said domestic utility demand for coal had increased as the price for natural gas had increased. Shaw also said the overseas demand for U.S. coal has increased, too.
    So far this month, coal traffic on the Norfolk Southern system is up 18.6 percent compared with last year. On CSX, coal traffic is up 10.9 percent. Most of the increase came in the first part of the month. And that’s for all coal – thermal and metallurgical; domestic and export.

    Bad pun alert: Perhaps we should refer to this weather event as the coal-ar vortex.
    https://www.herald-dispatch.com/opinion/jim-ross-coal-saves-the-day-during-polar-vortex/article_bc8a084d-5a5f-5f13-ae8f-43b6f25bd62f.html

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    neil

    This idiot lazy “D grade” reporter has failed to see a Uni students prank and believed it was a real news story.

    What other explanation could there be?

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    jack

    OK —That,s it.
    I am going to become an alarmist, Warmest!
    :
    Thinking and Reason are just to hard.
    :
    Just sit back and make up crap, that’s the life for me.
    Might even get my own show on the ABC -”Subjective Ravings of a Madman”.

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      jack

      Don’t try to stop me.
      I’ve got a plan (Oh that’s thinking, dam).
      :
      First, institutionalized lobotomy.
      I’ll enroll for an Arts degree in an Australian University.
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      I’m feeling dumber alweady.

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        AndyG55

        first steps.. decide which of the 50 genders you will start as,

        and which leftist cause you with demonstrate for during lecture time.

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          jack

          Yes too right.
          Since I have stop thinking, I now know there are not just male and females.
          With my new enlighten use of the brain, 50 genders is not enough, I going for 128 genders.
          Just got to come up with the names.
          Oh, and now I am so left, I consider K. Marx a fascist.

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      jack

      I’m well on the road.
      Since I Have stop thinking (using reason), I now “know” things.
      :
      I know now, that socialism works.
      :
      I know now, that Keynesian economics works.
      :
      I know now, I can be a scientist without using scientific method.
      :
      I know now, that the Post-Modernist movement make sense.
      :
      I know now, that reality is a figment of my imagination.
      :
      I know now, work to your abilities, receive to your needs.
      :
      I know now, the individual should be sacrificed for the greater good.
      :
      I know now, that feelings and emotions are superior to reason.
      :
      I know now, Freedom is slavery.
      :
      I know now, War is peace.
      :
      I know now, Ignorance is strength.
      :
      Out with Bacon, Descartes & Locke, celebrities are now my philosophical mentors.
      I don’t even have to read, just listen and believe what they tell me.
      :
      Ah, the freedom of not thinking. No cares, no responsibility, just move along with the herd.
      Ignorance is bliss.

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      jack

      Part 2 of my plan.
      After the Arts degree, masters and PhD.
      I’ll do a science degree.
      But not one of those snooty sciences, -Physics, Math, Chemistry, Engineering or Computing.
      Their too dangerous, I’ll probably start thinking again.
      After all I’m doing the Arts degree first to epistemologicaly wipe logic and reason as values.
      :
      I’ll get a degree in climatology in an Australian University.
      There be no chance of getting caught in that silly thinking stuff in that course.
      :
      ABC, get the set ready for me.
      :
      Ahhh -Ignorance is bliss :-) )))))

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    pat

    2 Feb: UK Express: UK weather forecast: Snow to last ALL FEBRUARY as UK hit by DOUBLE plume of Arctic air
    THE UK’S chaotic weather will see heavy rain and melting snow trigger flooding next week before a double-pronged Arctic assault plunges the nation back into winter hell.
    By Nathan Rao
    Polar conditions over the past few days have dished up but a taste of things to come with the “coldest weather for years” on the way…
    Temperatures will plummet ahead of next weekend as two plumes of freezing air simultaneously sweep in via Scandinavia and Greenland…

    Britain is facing the worst snowfall of winter so far with temperatures set to nosedive back into minus double figures by mid-month.
    Weather charts show the UK engulfed by heavy persistent snowfall amid warnings severe weather could last into the start of spring…
    Models reveal two plumes of Arctic air descending over Britain plunging the nation back into the freezer.

    It could herald the start of what some forecasters warn is shaping up to be the most savage February spell for years.
    Exacta Weather’s James Madden said heavy snow will fall widely as easterly winds sweep into the country…
    The Met Office has issued five separate warnings for snow and ice across the UK tomorrow with a further alert in place in Scotland on Monday…
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1081520/uk-weather-forecast-snow-news-uk-met-office-bbc-radar-map-today-cold-warning

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      Bill In Oz

      The UK is desperately in need of some Global warming – along with almost everywhere else in the Northern hemisphere..

      Ahhhh well those greenists with the alarmist nonsense about warming have ben served a needed ‘cool’ down !

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    pat

    lol.

    2 Feb: Bloomberg: One German Industry Is Digging Itself a Hole With Europe
    by Mathew Carr, Jeremy Hodges
    For Germany, phasing out coal will be a very expensive affair and its approach might already be annoying other members of the European Union, who were enjoying record levels of revenue from selling carbon allowances.
    Utilities from RWE AG to Uniper SE will seek compensation to shut down lignite and hard-coal plants before the end of their lives, while the states where they’re located are demanding tens of billions of compensation. And in a triple whammy, the nation may also lose more than 5.2 billion euros ($6 billion) in canceled carbon permit-sales as demand from those plants will decline.

    That’s the estimate of Jahn Olsen, an analyst in London at BloombergNEF, and based on prices that tripled last year. The actual size of the loss will depend on how Germany interprets new European Commission rules governing the market from 2021 and the nation’s willingness to shore up a trading system that’s only just starting to make a real impact on emissions.

    While Germany has said it will cancel allowances to protect the carbon market, it hasn’t provided any details. Since the nation almost a week ago flagged some of its draft plans for closing coal plants through 2038, carbon permits are headed for their worst week since September — as traders anticipate lower demand in the future.

    The new rules say that member states can withdraw certificates to bolster prices and limit damage to the market from overlapping climate measures. That’s after a decade of slumping prices that did little to encourage utilities to switch to cleaner behavior.
    The emission permits slumped partly because Germany spent billions of euros subsidizing solar and wind generation, which reduced the need for the carbon allowances…

    What the German government decides will be crucial for the emissions market, the world’s biggest by traded volume.
    “If they don’t cancel allowances, they’ll just drive the price lower and achieve the same result — less revenue,” said Matthew Gray, an analyst at Carbon Tracker Initiative, which provides analysis on the energy transition. Under such a decision, “the lower revenue would be felt across the EU member states instead of just Germany.”…READ ALL
    https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/germany-to-forfeit-billions-in-carbon-sales-with-coal-exit#gs.CHECQADH

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    hunter

    It appears that major media has brought in even more graduates from the College of Confusion and Deception.
    The BBC as typical is in the vanguard of employing these otherwise unemployable dweebs as content writers.
    That the LIA started prior to large-scale European colonization is just for starters.
    A complete deceptive skipping over of farming practices in North America is another. Magical thinking about CO2 as the main climate control knob is another.
    But the list of confused and deceptive crap pushed in this report could be so much longer.
    Congratulations to the BBC for leading the way inputting the academically handicapped to work.

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    Ian Hill

    O/T but a hilarious blooper!

    How The Guardian reported the BOM’s summary for January 2019:

    The bureau’s monthly report said the heatwaves were unprecedented in their scale and duration. The highest temperatures of the month were recorded in Augusta on the south-west coast, where thermometers registered 49.5C , but the most relentless heat was in Birdsville, Queensland, which endured 10 consecutive days over 45C.

    While the BOM got it right, someone at The Guardian decided Augusta in WA was close enough!

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    Whatever the downside of the behaviour of ‘white people’ when they came into contact with indigenous peoples that was, subsequently, vastly outweighed by the reduction in global death rates from their more advanced culture and science.

    The net outcome is that ‘white people’ have been extremely good for the human race as a whole.

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    el gordo

    That is undeniable, but I hasten to add that we did it on the backs of slaves.

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      Sambar

      As did every race and breed of civilization since the dawn of time. Everything that has been achieved by mankind (humankind ) has been at someones expense. Asyrians, Mesoptamians, Egyptians, Arabs, Mongols, Romans ,Greeks, Nubians, Zulus, Chinese, Japanese, native Americans, Australian Aborigines, all had forms of slavery. Whether it was forced labour or trading women , every race on earth has used the subjugated to progrees the wealth of the ruling class. We cannot just “pin it” on white people.

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        Furthermore, it was particularly rife in Africa before European involvement.
        It was white people in the form of the British Empire that forcibly put an end to it at great cost in money and lives.
        Today, the descendants of slaves around the world are far better off than they would have been had they stayed in Africa where slavery and early death would have persisted to this day were it not for white people. Indeed some would say that some African nations have retrogressed since colonialism became unfashionable.

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    Kneel

    “… we did it on the backs of slaves.”

    I refuse to judge the actions of peoples of the past by the standards of today – to do so implies that future generations should judge my actions by their own standards, rather than the standards of today. I believe that most people will chose to “do good”, even if they ultimately fail and produce bad, and that this is almost always true providing you judge based on accepted truths and norms of the time/place – as true now for renewabubbles as it was for ozone hole, acid rain, silent spring, or even the extreme of “virgins in the volcano”. Some very nasty – dare you even think what you might feel compelled to do under duress to comply (or to avoid compliance!)? “Walk a mile in a mans shoes first” indeed.

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      RAH

      And that sir is a major key to understanding and enjoying history. Judging the actions of others in the context of the values, morals, Mores/accepted behavior of their own times.

      Being an adamant student of the civil war in my country and a former soldier, it took me a long time to figure out what drove the soldiers of the civil war to step over the dead, dying, and mutilated men of the rank before them that had just received a volley and continue to advance knowing that they were next. There is no single answer. The answer is complex and multifaceted and I think what I have come up with to answer that question is still missing something. Something in the thought processes of the people of that time which I have yet to put a finger on.

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        In the hardship of the times they knew that they had to prevail at any cost or die.Their own lives and suffering were voluntarily put on the line in an attempt to avoid what they thought would be an even greater evil.In the absence of antibiotics, painkillers and effective medicine their attitude to pain and suffering was different to ours. It was a natural, unavoidable facet of life to be borne stoically.

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          RAH

          1. peer pressure: Civil War Companies were recruited from local areas. Brothers, cousins, and even fathers and sons served in a company together. In most cases all the men in a typical company came from a local area and most knew each other or knew of each other at least casually prior to enlistment. Their actions would be reported back home to their mothers, sweethearts, wives, other relative and friends and past and future prospective employers. In the Union Army at the time of it’s activation a Company would have about 100 soldiers and there would be nine line companies and 1 HQ company in a typical regiment. Whole regiments were often formed from the men from one to three rural or semirural counties in a state. By the time a Regiment from the “west” meaning at that time Indiana, Michigan, and any states west of there, reached it’s first combat it would typically be down to 600 to 700 men due primarily to nonbattle casualties from disease. While the men from the west were generally bigger and stronger the nonbattle casualties from the Eastern states were generally about 20% lower probably because most of the men came from more urban environments having plenty of more recent immigrant influx and thus those that enlisted had already been exposed and developed resistance to a broader range of pathogens.

          By the time a typical company saw it’s first combat it would be down to 70% strength or less and from that time on would generally get smaller from the first time it “saw the elephant”.

          The reason I use Union units as an example is because Union records are generally much better. However the same kind of demography and experience seem to have applied pretty much to the Confederate units also. The point being there was less opportunity for a man to shirk his duty than was often the case in later wars.

          2. Leadership: New Companies elected their officers. Some were suited, many more were not. Many were not relieved until they had cost men their lives in combat due to incompetency or drunkenness, or just plain insubordination. And as Lincoln and Davises searches for top leadership demonstrated there were plenty of incompetents at the top. Unfortunately their relief would usually come only after a battle or two.

          3. The role of the NCO: In battle during the Civil war on both sides the role of the Noncommissioned officer was to hold the line steady as it had been in previous wars. In assault some NCOs were positioned behind each rank to attempt to force the men to remain where they belonged in the rank and to keep the line “dressed’(straight).

          4. Tactics verses weapons. For most of the war the leaders and men were trained in Napoleonic tactics. They were even trained to form squares to fend off cavalry attacks. The problem was that the state of weaponry from small arms to artillery had advanced to the point that such tactics were near suicidal and continued to advance as the war progressed. As the war progressed cover and concealment, and various other developments in field fortifications developed until conditions in many places portended the trench warfare of WW I.

          And yet all of that still does not capture all of it as to why those men did what the did in such deadly circumstances. I am convinced the mindset of those men was something different than we can relate to. Life was a little cheaper as most had one or more siblings who had not survived to reach age 5 and infant mortality was so very high in those times.

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    RAH

    So shouldn’t headlines read “Scientists Say That Genocide Is Necessary To Cool the Earth and Avoid Catastrophic Climate Change”? Oh, I’m sorry, I guess I read that already somewhere before.

    But at least now we know that “Scientists Say” that the “Anthropocene Epoch” actually began in 1492!

    All I can say is it’s too bad the 1/1024th of Elizabeth Warren wasn’t taken out back then.

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    Bobby knobsock

    Blame the white again,did we cause the meoteor to crash that wiped out the dinosaurs too?

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    Kevin

    Hahahahahabahahaha!!! Thats funny!!

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    Mike

    It is interesting to see the global cooling of the little ice age being blamed on a lack of agricultural activity in the Americas. This would be strange as the Medieval warming period included periods where the population in Europe dropped considerably at times due to the Black Death. Oh well. ‘research’ like this is a sign that the lunatics are taking over the asylum.

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    This sounds very silly as reported here from the reporting of the BBC.

    Has anyone read the paper? Am I going to have to do it again?

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      while my comment linking to the paper awaits moderation… this is a key assumption

      The changes in TSI, shown in Fig. 5C appear unlikely to be the key driver of the 1610 CE CO2 decline and subsequent temperature reduction, despite such suggestions in the literature (Joos et al., 1999; Pongratz et al., 2008a; Trudinger et al., 2002). For TSI the Spörer Minimum (1416–1537 CE) and the Maunder Minimum (1645–1715 CE) are commonly suggested to explain the cool periods during LIA conditions seen in Europe, but these events leave a gap between the mid-1500s to mid-1600s, and so are not the cause of the increased land carbon stocks or the decline in temperature during this period (Schurer et al., 2013; Owens et al., 2017). Furthermore, TSI decreased substantially over the 1300s (Vieira et al., 2011), when no major change in land carbon uptake occurred (Bauska et al., 2015), suggesting there two variables are not well coupled (Fig. 5C cf 5E). While there was no long-term increase in TSI during the period of increasing terrestrial carbon stocks, interannual changes in TSI may have contributed to the CO2 and temperature decline, which has the potential to impact photosynthesis and terrestrial carbon uptake. For the period 1580–1610 TSI was 0.11–0.31 W m−2 above the long-term 1000–1800 CE mean, thus of opposite sign to that necessary to explain lower temperatures, while at 1610 CE itself, TSI was 0.01–0.12 W m−2 below 1000–1800 CE mean, suggesting some contribution to decreased temperatures at this time. Overall, the documented changes in TSI cannot explain the anomalously low CO2 levels over the late 1500s seen in the ice core records, nor lower global temperatures in the 1600s as seen in the paleoclimate temperature reconstructions, nor the larger increase in carbon stored on land (Schurer et al., 2013; Owens et al., 2017).

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    Analitik

    Accepting this report at face value, we could also combat climate change by allowing (further) massive deforestation of the Amazon so why don’t the authors (and others of the ‘green’ persuasion) clamor for this?

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    Yonason

    Apologies to anyone who may have already posted this, but according to warmists the Little Ice Age never happened. Michael Mann and his hockey team erased it, along with the Medieval Warm Period.

    “We know exactly how you evil Whities caused that disaster that never happened.”

    More proof that warmists will say anything in their hysterical desperation to incite everyone to panic.

    It would be laughable if it weren’t for the fact that so many are in positions of power to enact legislation based on such nonsense.

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    Andrew Kerber

    What this story really proves is that common sense and actual history is no longer required for historians. 56 million is the absolute top end estimate of the entire population of the Americas in the 17th. Keep in mind that the Americas did not have draft animals, wheels, or metal. So if there were 56 million, which IMHO is an overestimation by at least 50%, they were surviving as hunters and gatherers, not farmers. And if all 56 million died, where did the kids come from? Next, exactly where did those reclaimed farmlands come from? Trust me, you dont clear much farmland with stone tools. And its hard to pull out stumps without draft animals (explosives work even better). The authors of this study never learned the practicalities, so dont even realize how ridiculous their theory is.

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    PETER STYLES

    CO2 concentrations on submarines can reach 5,000-8000PPM (MAL37).NASSA controls the concentration on spacecrafts at 5,000PPM .Humans on earth exhale 4,000PPM .Windpower was replaced with the Steam engine after 1712 .33%of our human emissions have been released in the last 20 years with no statistically significant warming .In over 60 years of recording CO2in the atmosphere the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii has a constant average 2PPM increase in CO2 per year from (290-410PPM ).Even though humans are increasing their emissions of CO2 thousands of times in the sixty years ,it is making no increasing difference to the amount of concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere (2PPM per year).Everything the UNIPCC and its supporters have claimed about CO2 is wrong .It does not change the climate or the temperature .Optimum level of CO2 for plant growth is 2,000PPM .

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      Kinky Keith

      Peter,

      Humans exhale 40,000 ppm.

      Intake 400.

      The exchange ratio is 1:100.

      The most dangerous gas for humans is oxygen.

      If taken in excess e.g. while diving , can be dangerous.

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    PETER STYLES

    Thanks Keith humans exhale 40,000PPM of CO2.The UNIPCC will order mass exterminations of humans if they can digest this ?.The IPCC in 2007 said we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled chaotic system and therefore that long term predictions of future climate is not possible. Water the most important Greenhouse gas ,is the only molecule in the atmosphere that has three states gas, liquid and solid .As a gas ,but not as a liquid ,or solid it is a greenhouse gas .Water vapor and CO2 can do nothing but cool the surface of the earth ,not warm it as alleged by the UNIPCC ,CSIRO ,BOM, Labor and the Greens . “Radiated Energy and the second law of Thermodynamics according to the laws of Physics support this fact. If the UNIPCC,etc science was correct then rainforests (with about 4%water vapor above them )should be 50 to 80 degrees hotter than dry regions like deserts ,which have around 1%or less of the Greenhouse gas water vapor above them .

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