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Climate change spreads AIDS

Yesterday lots of people died and made the climate change. Today climate change is causing more AIDS and killing people.

It all goes to show that climate change is the most useless phrase in the English language.

It’s able to be used in so many contradictory ambiguous ways, as to mean everything, and therefore, nothing.

It’s useless to anyone who wants to convey information, but pretty handy for those who want to convey fog instead. Anyone want to prey on the good-but-confused?

How climate change is undermining the war against HIV in Africa

Widespread poverty and worsening droughts, floods and other climate risks make Africa particularly vulnerable to the effects of climate change

Climate change is always 50 shades of evil:

Yaounde — Teenage girls growing up in Lesotho in areas hit by harsh drought and other climate shocks are more likely to drop out of school, start having sex earlier and contract HIV, researchers say.

Even the IPCC doesn’t really pretend in their scientific hearts that we can predict or attribute the causes of drought and flood, yet here it gets bundled in with “climate change” as if everyone knows that droughts are getting worse (they’re not) and are caused by coal plants.

In a study looking at the link between climate change and HIV infection since antiretroviral (ARV) treatment drugs became widely available in Sub-Saharan Africa, researchers found that severe drought threatens to drive new HIV infections.

And here was everyone thinking that droughts would prevent AIDS.

In the urban areas of Lesotho researchers looked at, droughts were linked to an almost five-fold increase in the number of girls selling sex and a three-fold increase in those being forced into sexual relations.

In Lesotho more than half  the population lives on less than $1.90 a day according to World Bank, and 55% grow their own food, making them particularly vulnerable to drought.

So poor people will suffer more from bad weather than rich people. We needed a study for this?

UN dilemma: Should we try to reduce AIDS by changing the weather, or helping the poor get richer.

Hands up who wants to stop AIDS with solar panels?

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165 comments to Climate change spreads AIDS

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    Roy Hogue

    There’s always one more vagrant opinion — an opinion without visible means of support.

    I think it’s much more likely that what spreads AIDS also spreads climate change by creating another person who can be brainwashed before ever having a chance to defend itself.

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      Roy Hogue

      The fight against AIDS, no matter where, has been undermined be making it a political game. Had we treated it like any other STD — and a highly contagious one too — I think we would be much better off today.

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        Roy Hogue

        And I almost forgot…

        For anyone who disagrees — be glad I restricted my comments to only those 2 things.

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          Latus Dextro

          AIDsyndrome is the result of HTLV3 (HIV), a retro-virus (Human T-lymphotropic virus). These viruses were discovered in 2005 in rural Cameroon, and were, it is presumed, transmitted from monkeys to hunters of monkeys through bites and scratches. (Wiki). The virus jumped species from simian (STLV) to human.

          In those early days the main risk groups were characterised by the 4 identity groups of H’s … heroin addicts, haemophiliacs, homosexuals and Haitians. Now we know about congenitally acquired AIDS, tragically passed from mother to child, the latter often with a long latent period prior to symptoms.

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        wert

        HIV is not highly contagious.

        Lesotho needs energy, tractors, lights, schools, nurses, doctors, factories. Everything oil, coal can bring.

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          el gordo

          The country has a population of two million people and a quarter have HIV, they can’t afford condoms.

          South Africa has its eye on it, so the best way forward is for the PM of Lesotho to invite a very high ranking delegation from Beijing to drop in and assess the situation.

          That should ruffle a few feathers.

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          Roy Hogue

          A lot of things are needed and we don’t have them. But we track down all the contacts of anyone with gonorrhea, for instance and we warn them that they need medical help and we didn’t do that with HIV and we made a privacy issue out of it, allowing HIV positive men in particular free rein to spread the virus. It was a big issue here and probably still is for all I know.

          God only knows the number of infected women alone who, if given warning would have gone to bed with someone else or just stayed home.

          You would think no one could even guess that people were sleeping with someone yet it was never a secret. The privacy wrinkle was deadly and it didn’t need to be. It was as if you should have been ashamed of doing what everyone else was doing Dumb, dumb, dumb.

          Nothing about STDs is simple for society to deal with but we made HIV as difficult as it could possibly be.

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        Yonniestone

        A few days ago Israeli scientists claimed a cure for cancer is about a year away, Israeli Scientists Claim They’re On The Path To A Cure For Cancer.

        Within the Forbes article they talk about AIDS treatments in relation to the proposed cure,

        ‘Morad equated the concept of MuTaTo to the triple drug cocktail that has helped change AIDS “from being an automatic death sentence to a chronic – but often manageable – disease.” Today people with AIDS and HIV are carriers of the disease, but they are not sick anymore. And the reason is the combination of drugs they are given.’

        I agree the politics severely undermined the scientific research needed, much like the Climate Change 1.5 trillion per year industry that siphons off monies that could’ve been better spent on improving the well being and happiness of billions of people.

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          Terry

          like the Climate Change 1.5 trillion per year industry that siphons off monies that could’ve been better spent on improving the well being and happiness of billions of people.

          This is the true evil of ‘Climate Change’…

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            Latus Dextro

            Terry, right on the nail of the erstwhile coffin of Western freedom and prosperity.
            The extravagant and ideologically culpable waste of enormous wealth and resources by the over-indulged Left with quite literally almost nothing better to do than to impose itself on the rest of us will rank among the greatest falls from grace humanity has in general ever perpetrated upon itself and in particular, upon the impoverished.

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          DAW

          Yonnie Stanislaw Burzinski discovered the cause of cancer decades ago. He has a large medical practice employing lots of people in Houston Texas.
          Big Pharma have been trying to shut him down with lawsuits for nearly as long but he is still hanging in and winning.

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        Alfred (Cairns)

        Roy,

        Many years ago, a friend of mine died of AIDS in London. He was one of the very first to die from it in the UK. I believe it was in 1981.

        Some years later, I worked out a way to prevent the spread of HIV among people who participated in my system. I got the US patent and it was FDA approved. It is entirely ethical and costs almost nothing. It was a way of handling people data anonymously. Here is the US patent:

        “Apparatus and method for controlling transmission of defects”

        https://patents.google.com/patent/EP0487517A1/en

        It is cited by no fewer than 35 other references and patents.

        I approached lots of pharmaceutical companies and medical professionals. Almost all of them did not even respond. I guess their interests lay elsewhere.

        Since then, the internet has come into being and testing for these infections has become far more accurate. That has made my proposal even more practical.

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          Roy Hogue

          Alfred,

          I’m only too familiar with that, having lost a member of extend family to AIDS. He died in his father’s arms I’m told and at least father and son reconciled their longstanding estrangement before the end. He was roughly my age and far too young to die for the sake of a controversial disease that had become a political football. So I can understand what it must have meant to you to lose your friend.

          You couldn’t ever meet a nicer guy than George (not his real name). He was a hair dresser (I guess that’s the right term) and did it for all the women a lot more than once, including my wife. We were holiday guests at his parent’s home many times.

          I’m not surprised by your experience with the corporate world which is why I think it should have been handled similarly to other STDs.

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      Yonniestone

      Roy as we critical thinkers know that from the dawn of man there is NOTHING that’s needed to encourage teenagers to ponder about the opposite sex.

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      Allen Ford

      I think it more likely that HIV causes climate change! Now, there’s a thought

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      Geoff

      Climate change does spread AID$. Who could deny the obvious. The $$ and its a$$ociates are deeply involved with climate change. Their no$e$ are able to $niff out and plunge into any $ewer.

      Taxpayers should cringe in terror. Poverty is caused by climate change.

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    Climate change is also responsible for bad music and bad movies.

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      Annie

      Also for ghastly ‘architecture’ and ‘art’.

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      Salome

      And bad music is responsible for deaths at ‘concerts’ from drugs people take so they can pretend they are enjoying it.

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      ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N

      Climate change is also responsible for bad music and bad movies.

      Just like The Day After Tomorrow and Venom, many new movies are incorporating Climate Change™©® and overpopulation BS as if it’s a foregone conclusion. What’s a bet the UN pays 500 bucks for any Leftie to utter the magic words on camera. I can’t wait until it’s widely proven and confronted as the fr@ud it is. Those movies and clips where everyone uttered the magic words will be vilified and laughed at and the producers and directors will suddenly become “Allen Smithee”. The rest who actively promoted and lived off it will hopefully be jailed.

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    Yonniestone

    Looking at the headline I’d strongly disagree, climate change has been covered in so much protection it could’ve shagged Freddy Mercury without getting a cold sore!

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    Rod Stuart

    It all goes to show that climate change is the most useless phrase in the English language.

    It’s able to be used in so many contradictory ambiguous ways, as to mean everything, and therefore, nothing.

    EXACTLY!!
    Something I’ve maintained for a long time.
    Eventually we will reach PEAK STUPID.
    Are we there yet?

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      Yonniestone

      I believe the term Weasel word applies here,

      Weasel word noun
      Definition of weasel word
      : a word used in order to evade or retreat from a direct or forthright statement or position.

      Some people believe that weasels can suck the insides out of an egg without damaging the shell. An egg thus weasel-treated would look fine on the outside, but it would actually be empty and useless. We don’t know if weasels can really do that, but the belief that they could caused people to start using “weasel word” to refer to any term intended to give the impression that everything is fine when the speaker is really trying to avoid answering a question, telling the truth, or taking the blame for something.

      Jo’s application of “ambiguous” for “climate change” is absolutely correct.

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      Annie

      ‘Peak ‘Stupid’? No, not there yet. We see and read about more examples every day. :(

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        Yonniestone

        Peak stupid is a myth spread by those that believe in climate change or the Labor Party is for the working Australian.

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    Kinky Keith

    The last forty years of selfish politically inspired “doo gooderism” which might be called Virtue Signalling in the modern idiom has ruined a once great culture.

    We now live in a totally unreal world of political Fantasy which is hurtful to the elderly whose hard work, thrift and care made a great country.

    This new world has pushed God aside and installed Hollywood Symbolism for our use and pleasure with terrible consequences for mental health.

    The numbers of students and staff at our universities doing Mickey Mouse courses and PhDs is indicative of the social problem that politicians have deliberately constructed.

    We need out of this fantasy world soon.

    KK

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      AndyG55

      “We need out of this fantasy world soon.”

      There is no doubt that those who live in the real world look in bemusement at the goings-on in the virtue world and wonder what the **** is going one !

      Rational thought and sanity seem to have basically disappeared in some areas.

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        Graeme No.3

        AndyG55:

        Try baffling trolls rather than straightout abuse. For example there was a MP in the UK who was (and is) not exactly mainstream. Look up Lembit Opik for further information, although the Wikipedia article is “toned down” a bit. Chairman of an imaginary Parliament for an imaginary Planet is ony slight change in career. And he does believe in AGW and imminent catastrophe (although by asteroid induced climate change).
        What I am suggesting that in future you refer to trolls as a Lembit. It will baffle their tiny brains, and if they look him up enrage them.

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          Kinky Keith

          What’s worse than being a Lembit.

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          AndyG55

          hey??

          My abuse is always very restrained and subtle. ! :-)

          These guys are supporting an agenda that is deliberately threatening to bring down society as we know it.

          Sorry, but I see no reason for not saying it as I see it.

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          Kinky Keith

          Hi Graeme No 3,

          I understand your concern about what’s happened here on the blog over the last few weeks and share that concern.

          For me the tripping point occurred some months ago when there was a similar campaign and a very nasty post which appears to have been taken down.

          I can definitely understand why Jo would not want to antagonise such contributors especially when they reside in the same city and especially after the carry on that went with the whole show.

          That said it seems that the choice is between having a blog that is run by what several others here call trolls or a blog that functions as a place of robust debate and inquiry.

          In this most recent spate of attacks, before I stopped looking at posts from the current person of interest, there were large sections of threads that contained no inquiry, no pertinent contribution, just mush.

          Up until the focus switched to the Murray Darling Basin issue, which I know nothing about, there wasn’t one post from this person that was genuine.

          By contrast many of the responses, not all, contained excellent relevant information for the usual readers but I’m sure that they were of no interest to the troll.

          KK

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          Kinky Keith

          A new item placed way back.

          Interesting to skim down to zil d hands it’s comment on go floor.

          ????

          http://joannenova.com.au/2019/01/forgotten-history-50-degrees-everywhere-right-across-australia-in-the-1800s/#comment-2099393

          A useful contribution?

          KK

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      toorightmate

      1000% agree.
      The “fruits” of the past few decades are becoming patently obvious in the quality of those now seeking to lead the Democrats to the 2020 presidential elections.
      Pure and utter madness.
      On home soil, we have our own lunatics:
      Chris Bowen – the harder you work and save, the more we will kick you in the guts.
      It appears that the last piece of wisdom from the ALP was compulsory super (Kelty, Hawke, et al).

      Totally unrelated, can someone please explain how the Ross River Dam is >200% capacity. I can understand 110%, but not >200%. Poor old “catastrophic” has had a work out in Townsville this past week. I couldn’t quite work out whether it was catastrophic, or mildly catastrophic, or very catastrophic or horribly catastrophic. The various schools of journalism need a new Thesauras

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        Graeme No.3

        toorightmate:

        You missed out Butler and his hydrogen from coal idea. For only a billion down a new industry will SPRING UP because we will be exporting hydrogen to Japan NEXT YEAR.
        Leaving aside reality, which he has certainly abandoned by the roadside, Butler’s scheme combines the cost over runs of the NBN with the lethal consequences of the pink bats fiasco.

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        robert rosicka

        Yeah tooright, at one stage it was 238% and they’ve had a lot of rain since so it has to be close to 500% at least by now .

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        RickWill

        It is now beyond catastrophic. Last night it was declared UNPRECEDENTED.
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-02/townsville-flooding-worsens-with-north-queensland-monsoon/10773008

        “We have not been in this situation before, there has been a lot of rain falling over the Townsville catchment and some of these levels are unprecedented,” the Premier said.

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          Bill In Oz

          If it does NOT rain , it’s a catastrophe ~

          When it does eventually rain, It’s unprecedented.

          Do these folks know that we live in Australia
          Land of droughts and flooding rains ?

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            R2Dtoo

            I often use that reasoning when confronted by warmunists, or simply embellisher regarding either weather or climate. How often can anything be “unprecedented” in Western Canada where temperatures range from -35C to +35C every year, and floods and droughts occur regularly. People know this, of course, but they have to turn their brain on occasionally to gain perspective.

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        Yonniestone

        The “Fruits” also legally got the right to denigrate the sanctity of marriage, the attack on Christianity continues.

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          ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N

          Common law marriage may be as you describe, but “legal” marriage requires a licence (permission) and certificate (contract to grabbermint). Treasury then owns you and your children because you must give them birth certificates. No sanctity in that.

          As for Christianity, the Roman empire never left, it became a church.

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    Jace Jackson

    ‘ambiguous’…..wonderful Jo…I now have a reply to ‘believers’… And there is one more thing we may be missing here….a great many of the people writing, creating, or producing alot of this ‘propaganda’ were educated at a university…..do universitys answer to anyone? or are they like judges?

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    ivan

    All of this can be placed at the feet of the green cult and the UN Church of Climatology.

    What Africa needs is a lot of cheap reliable energy, energy that can only be supplied by coal fired generators. It is not just Africa but all the third world countries that need cheap, reliable energy, the very thing that the watermelons and enviro freaks are denying them. They are also trying to deny that cheap, reliable energy to all countries and many of the western governments are helping them with the unreliable energy generation that cause blackouts.

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      wal1957

      It is not just Africa but all the third world countries that need cheap, reliable energy,

      With the way that the powers that be are destroying our electricity grid, in another short, few years you will be able to Australia to that list

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        shannon

        The “powers that be” …will no doubt be happy, as the “adverse” repercussions will “cull” a few more of the overall World population.

        Is this the “real aim” under the environmental surface ?…..you bet !!

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        Allen Ford

        The wrecking of the power grid and the shambles that is “management” of the Murry-Darling system is an object lesson in why politicians and bureaucrats should not be let within bull’s roar of designing or managing any technical system.

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    Latus Dextro

    Even the IPCC doesn’t really pretend in their scientific hearts that we can predict or attribute the causes of drought and flood, yet here it gets bundled in with “climate change” …

    If you control the language, you control the argument.
    If you control the argument you control the information .
    Orwell 1984

    Control the language, you control the people.
    Alinsky

    Let’s face it, there really isn’t a scientific heart at the UN political organisation of the IPCC, where the cabal of Green ideologues enforce their settled politics. Moreover, there is no pretence or attempt of pretence, the matter of attribution was well settled when the UNFCCC defined of “climate change” as solely of anthropogenic origin …
    “a change of climate which is attributed directly or indirectly to human activity that alters the composition of the global atmosphere …”

    Climate change™ is the Trojan horse of globalism. It is one of the drivers of migration to open borders and into the lake of social welfare, buoyed by the identity politics and cultural Marxism of the Rainbow ideology. Climate change™ is the glue that is injected into any and all UN policies, from financial divestment to sustainable development, from Civil Society™ to the WHO, the toxic ideological adhesive that imposes an appearance of coherence upon an ideological credo leading to social chaos and the financial collapse of the West, something openly desired and admitted by Ms Figueres and other UN policy architects.

    Replacing the term “Global Warming” with the unfalsifiable term Climate change™ was a veritable stroke of genius from the propaganda department of the UN. Inserting its defined term, in effect a Trojan virus, that infected and hijacked common usage and vernacular, they successfully monopolised the language, the information and the argument.

    Almost no one who uses the term understands either its definition or the ownership it imposes and intends to impose on their lives. Instead they suspect or sense it. That’s good enough for push back.

    So successful is Climate change™ it is becoming the author of its demise, increasingly associated with sarcasm, derision, comedy, satire and humour, reduced to a politically incorrect wolf-whistle along with the host of words monopolised by identity politics that fuels the rapidly burgeoning counter-culture of sanity, reason and traditional conservatism.

    Arguably, this virus has wiped out its host.
    Thus, it has failed.

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    Mark M

    Global Warming spreads BoM crap!

    BoM Nov 29 2018: Summer forecast: scorching heat and heightened bushfire risk

    “Large parts of Western Australia, most of Queensland and the Top End of the Northern Territory are expected to be drier than usual.

    Drier than average conditions are likely for much of northern Australia.”

    https://theconversation.com/summer-forecast-scorching-heat-and-heightened-bushfire-risk-107893

    2 Feb, 2019: Queensland floods: Townsville reels under record water levels as more rain arrives

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/02/queensland-floods-townsville-reels-under-record-water-levels-as-more-rain-arrives

    > It appears there is something terribly wrong at the BoM.

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    TdeF

    Why is ‘climate change’ is responsible for everything evil and dangerous in the world?
    Delingpole’s four horsemen of the Ecopolypse. Death, Famine, War and Conquest (where’s contagion?)

    When something changes, surely there are good aspects too. Like not freezing to death. Apparently not in the media. Climate Changing is only evil. In fact cars, bread, petrol, airconditioners, aircraft, cows and chickens are all evil. Let’s fly 30,000 people to Rio di Janeiro to discuss this.

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      TdeF

      No, make that Stockholm, Johannesburg, Lima, Doha, Copenhagen, Durban, Paris. Now what idiot suggested Katowitz, Poland?
      Can we pick nice warm places with good beaches, great restaurants, parasailing, limousines and great hotels in the future?
      Without five star luxury, no one will come. Certainly not Al Gore. Too inconvenient.

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    RAH

    For a continent that the alarmists say is so endangered by climate change there sure aren’t very many reliable surface stations in the inner continent to track the vital statistics of the weather. https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/climate-change/54-of-africa-s-surface-weather-stations-71-of-its-upper-air-weather-stations-unable-to-capture-accurate-data-60685
    90% of what NASA claims to be temperatures in Africa is infilled bull hockey. If they actually had data for the vast areas of Africa for which there is none that is reliable though, they wouldn’t be able to produce those pretty maps that show us the world is burning up!

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Two stories that highlight just how real global warming is:

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/02/this-polar-vortex-should-have-been-colder/

    and

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/month/nsw/summary.shtml

    I await the pavlovian response with dread

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      robert rosicka

      Seriously Fitz , this polar vortex should have been colder ! Are you getting desperate or is your alfoil hat getting too tight .

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      robert rosicka

      As for the Bom report , Wanaaring is mentioned as hottest ever I notice and you have no problem with anything you get told from them .
      I’m sending you a photo which was taken mid last year of the Wanaaring Stevenson Screen and see if you can work out why the temps are up on this screen .
      Then you can come back here and apologise for not knowing what you’re talking about .

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      Bill In Oz

      BOM seems unaware that when there is a drought, measured temperatures rise. ( Moisture & clouds in the air lower the average temperatures. )

      This is natural.

      Very unfortunate nut entirely natural.

      Those who believe other wise are ignorant of Autralia’s climate.

      This simple fact of climate is even written in our poetry and literature from the 1850′s.

      The writings of Lawson, Patterson & McKeller.

      But of course Our Australian poetry & literature is no longer taught in schools or elsewhere. It’s now considered old hat stuff and has been replaced by other more PC stuff..

      So where once we knew and ‘accepted’ our climate, and got on with life, now we are scared by climate fairy tale stories

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        Peter Fitzroy

        So what – it was the warmest month on record, I only linked NSW but it was Australia’s warmest month on record as well.

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          AndyG55

          December 2018 UAH Australia anomaly 1.19C

          January 1979 UAH Australia anomaly 1.16C

          December 2018 had the 14th highest monthly anomaly in UAH Australia data

          January 2019 had the 21st highest monthly anomaly in UAH Australia.

          Australian surface data is a total and absolute MESS, highly tainted by bad sites and site data, infilled data, homogenisation, urban heat influences and aircraft exhaust.

          It is NOT fit for any purpose, except blatant propaganda.

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            Peter Fitzroy

            as the planet warms, the record warmest month will have a smaller anomaly.

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              AndyG55

              roflmao

              you will try any rubbish statement, won’t you pfutz.

              You do know that we are still well short of the MWP, don’t you.?

              Thank goodness for warming out of the LIA, the COLDEST period in 10,000 years, hey pfutz

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              Rod Stuart

              “as the planet warms”

              Another phrase as idiotic as “climate change”.
              What gives you that notion? Do you have any evidence?
              I thought the ‘global’ in global warming meant global.
              Try telling the folks in Chicago about the plant warming right now.

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                Peter Fitzroy

                The world is not a cake being baked in an oven. That being said the overall trend for is for rising temp

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                el gordo

                The effect of CO2 on temperatures is, if anything, infinitesimal.

                https://imgur.com/4kp8RLe

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                AndyG55

                No, WRONG again, pfutz.

                The overall trend over the last 9000 or so years has been distinctly negative,

                Down to the LIA cold anomaly.

                What we are experiencing is a very small, but highly beneficial rebound from the coldest period in 10,000 years.

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              el gordo

              ‘…as the planet warms, the record warmest month will have a smaller anomaly.’

              Hmmm …. drop this line of thinking, its irrelevant.

              Throughout the two decades of this hiatus there has been a tendency for the Arctic and Alaska to show a warming trend during the NH winter. The warmth can be found in the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere, which opens the door for cold air outbreaks in mid latitudes.

              You know in your heart this is not happening because of industrial CO2, so do you have any other suggestions?

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Leaving aside the C02 issue for the moment, and accepting that the world is warming, then the explanation must centred on the distribution of heat through the atmosphere. As you increase the energy contained in the atmosphere, you should expect non-linear energy transfers due to the essentially chaotic nature of the highs, lows etc

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                AndyG55

                “the explanation must centred on the distribution of heat through the atmosphere”

                The SUN, warming the oceans over decades.

                End of story.

                CO2 has no part in it.

                “you should expect non-linear energy transfers “

                And yes, the ONLY warming we see has come from step events at El Ninos.

                NON-LINEAR, so tell your fellow AGW flunkies to stop using those step changes to create meaningless linear trends.

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                el gordo

                How do we explain the plateau in temperatures for two decades?

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          AndyG55

          https://i.postimg.cc/GpNLQ4BD/UAH-Aust-16-years.png

          UAH Australia,

          There have been several months with higher anomalies, and basically zero trend for 16 years.

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      Us pooches at the Pavlov Institute (woof!) have learned to stay away from high-gloss MSM baits like National Geographic and to treat them as toxic material on a par with the worst globalist slop from the Guardian or ABC.

      Woof.

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      Bill In Oz

      Fitz the global warming theory seems to say ” When it gets warmer, it will also get colder. But when it gets colder, it will also get warmer”.

      Is this science mate ?

      I suggest an astrologer ‘friend’ could have done as well and been a lot cheaper that the scientists putting out this ‘science’

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      hunter

      Nat Geo and Revkin…what could possibly be deceptive about that combination?

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      Mark M

      Heh. Polar vortex shoulda been colder.

      Imaging how colder it shoulda been if we only contained warming to 1.5°?

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      AndyG55

      Seriously, How the heck would revkin know it should have been colder.

      The guy is clueless from the toes up.

      A wobbly polar vortex is nothing unusual.

      And the weather it has brought has been exceptionally cold.

      “Should have been colder” ? roflmao. !!!!

      And even if it was correct,(rocks on to of the screen WOW!!!

      … of course absolutely ZERO evidence that is was anything but a WEATHER event.

      I hope Jo get’s the photo and publishes it :-)

      Freezing cold in the NH, must be global waming! right pfutz.!

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      Latus Dextro

      Peter Fitzroy @ #13: “I await the pavlovian response with dread”
      No Fitzroy, wrong. We have the buckets to catch your saliva.

      In 2000, “According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event.”

      The Guardian 16 Jan 2019: Alps on avalanche alert after record-breaking snowfall
      Wintry conditions cause disruption in parts of Europe and heavy snow also falls on US

      Quote by Noel Brown, UN official: “Entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of “eco-refugees,” threatening political chaos.”

      World’s newest countries (2013): Over the past 20 years, 10 countries have been successfully created. They are found everywhere from Africa to the South Pacific and vary in shape, size and population make-up.

      Life magazine of January 30, 1970, stated: “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support . . . predictions” such as: “In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution,” and “increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will affect earth’s temperature, leading to mass flooding or a new ice age.”

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      ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N

      Crikey Peter Fitzroy, how do you NOT see the truth before your very eyes?

      The likes of the Goreacle, Hil-liary and DiCraprio buying up seaside mansions, endless holidaying on fuel-guzzling yachts and jet-setting all over the world telling YOU to freeze to death in a cave. How is it you and your ilk are so blind and brainless to continue kissing the @rses of those that not only don’t believe their own lies but openly do the exact opposite and poo in your face all the while telling you to suck it up? What’s wrong with you?

      You are the very cause of your own demise, Peter.

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      ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N

      But seriously Peter, your AGW heroes are busting their butts showing the world the absolute heights of their hypocrisy and want you to go back to whale oil and candles – and back in the day only the wealthy could afford it. They constantly invent some of the greatest BS that ever emanated from a human mouth, such as the meat industry being climate armageddon, all the while having roast dinners while throwing you the empty bone and expecting you to gush in awe at them – AND YOU DO!!

      Your arguments are about as clever as a vegetarian eating fish. Hope you’ve had a vasectomy, wouldn’t want to infect the gene pool with any of your material. So if you really believe you can “save the planet”, stop typing, switch off your computer and all electricals in your house, hold your breath for 30 minutes, done. We’ll all be better off for you having led by example.

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      ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N

      Some more of your AGW heroes Peter:

      https://www.insidesources.com/bloomberg-doesnt-practice-what-he-preaches-on-climate-change
      https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2019/02/01/actress-raves-environmental-racism-will-cause-world-end-2030-rips

      I used to like Ellen Page. Now I gotta seriously rethink watching her movies. Does Hollywood do this to people or does it simply attract such retreads?

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    joseph

    When we get the msm version of AIDS and we are getting a version that is comparable to the msm version of CLIMATE CHANGE.

    So we know HIV causes AIDS, and
    we know CO2 causes CLIMATE CHANGE. Right?

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      joseph

      Sorry for the extra and in the first sentence . . . . will learn to do a proper check every time one day soon . . . .

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    Kinky Keith

    A very small block in the issue of political perspective.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/01/nearly-a-billion-dollars-for-electricity-for-just-one-day-500-per-family/#comment-2098222

    How do we get out of this mess without going to the streets in Yellow Vests?

    KK

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    macha

    India seems to be helping its poor get richer by banning charities that aren’t in best interests of their country…in this case, anti- coal Greenpeace.
    Check out this link https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/greenpeace-says-it-shut-its-offices-due-to-block-on-bank-account-1987414

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    hunter

    What cruel imperialists the climate obsessed are.
    What drives disease is poverty and la k of hygiene.
    By imposing energy poverty on Africans, the climate obsessed are forcing them to be sicker and less able to care for themselves.
    The IMF refusal to fund the development of dependable cost effective coal power plants to allow Africans the opportunity to develop affluent healthy civil societies is at best I’ll conceived, and could easily be confused with genocidal imperialist strategy.

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      Bill In Oz

      But the Chinese are funding coal fired power plants in Africa.

      China to the rescue !

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        hunter

        Exactly.
        I hope President Trump will open American finance, and demand the IMF and World Bank do the same.

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        hunter

        Exactly.
        I hope President Trump will open American finance, and demand the IMF and World Bank do the same.

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          el gordo

          Too little too late, the imperialist had plenty of time to do something about Africa but they sat on their hands.

          That is why China, with its new form of capitalism, will pull the continent out of poverty.

          Donald is spooked by this benevolent dictatorship, it does not compute. If the Americans and Europeans finally pull their collective fingers out they could be part of this new world order.

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      Latus Dextro

      The IMF and their deranged eco-mates over at the World Bank. The recent resignation of the head honcho may lead to change driven by the Administration of the Saviour-in-Chief, POTUS DJT.

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    Steve of Cornubia

    I know you’re being disingenuous Jo, because having worked among scientists for decades, you and i both know that the term ‘climate change’ is a very, very useful label indeed. Primarily though, it’s function isn’t as a throwaway but an absolutely vital component in any application for research funding. No matter which domain or topic a scientists is involved in, from actual climate study to urban development, mental health or art, attaching the ‘climate change’ angle pretty much ensures that funding will flow. Of course, the opposite is also true. Forget to tie your research into climate change is some way and you can wave goodbye to your funding and, if you persist in your ignorance, your career, too.

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    A few of you commenters have mentioned the lack of electrical power generation, or energy poverty in a Country like Lesotho, and how access to electrical power might be of help here.

    It has a population of around 2.3 Million, so around 9.4% of Australia.

    Total power generation in Lesotho is around 700GWH, so around 0.33% of Australia’s total power generation.

    That 700GWH is around the same power consumed by an Australian City of between 45000 and 50000 people.

    700GWH, the total YEARLY power generation in Lesotho, you know, the same amount of power generated in Australia in ….. 30 HOURS.

    Tony.

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    George

    No need to worry about Lesotho’s many humanitarian problems, they are being solved -

    It receives funding from Australia as part of the Strategic Climate Fund – Scaling Up Renewable Energy Program (SREP)

    “The SREP is a global program providing 72 developing and middle income countries with resources to manage the challenges of climate change and reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. With regards to energy, the program provides concessional resources to scale up low carbon technologies in renewable energy, energy efficiency, and sustainable transport for increased energy access and economic growth in the world’s poorest countries.”

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    Hatrack

    Doesn’t matter what CO2 levels were when you were young, as CO2 levels rose you got older. Proof positive that rising CO2 not only causes AIDS, but also ageing.

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      el gordo

      ‘…but also ageing.’

      O2 is responsible for ageing, can’t live with it and can’t live without it.

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    pat

    CAGW policies causing grief!

    behind paywalls (no ABC, Fairfax, Guardian):

    Power disconnections rising by more than 18 per cent
    Daily Telegraph-12 hours ago
    More than 32,000 NSW families had their electricity disconnected in the past financial year, buckling under the weight of power bills…

    More Australian families forced to disconnect power as costs soar
    Herald Sun-14 hours ago
    In NSW, disconnections were up by more than 18 per cent…

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      pat

      ***don’t know which year is being referenced. it doesn’t seem to gell with today’s coverage:

      at 19min – intro: John Howard, CAGW believer, ETS, RET. won’t sign Kyoto. Rudd gets in, CAGW the great moral challenge.
      reliable, cheap, CLEAN energy gets first of many mentions.
      coal plants closed; prices went up, blame energy companies gaming the system.
      talks to St Vincent De Paul case worker. power bill worries. gives example. ABC’s Christodoulou whispers “my goodness”.

      ***Christodoulou: last year more than 72,000 people had their power disconnected because they couldn’t pay their bills. that’s 7,000 more than the year before.
      ABC’s Michael Brissenden does the summary up at the end. the call for reform & lowering emissions has reachd a point of no return. industry, science, every section of society, business want it, realises this is a problem. business wants certainty. it’s something we have to address.

      AUDIO: 46min: 3 Feb: ABC Background Briefing: Gridlock: Australia’s electricity system buckles as politicians stall on energy policy
      Australia’s national electricity grid has once again buckled under the pressure of a scorching hot summer. Consumers are furious not only about blackouts but rising power bills, too.
      For decades, politicians have promised solutions they failed to deliver. Reporter Mario Christodoulou investigates the toxic politics of energy.
      TRANSCRIPT:
      A transcript for this program will be made available the Tuesday after broadcast.
      https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/energy-policy-inaction-sparks-business-uncertainty/10766582

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      Robber

      Once again, why are SA, Vic and Tas spot prices above $250/MWhr today when NSW is below $100? OK, so it’s another hot summer’s day, but it’s the weekend, so overall max demand on the grid at 29 GW is below the average of 30 GW. Are we being scammed again? Loy Yang B2, and Yallourn 3 & 4 are out of action.
      Jan average wholesale price for Vic is $250/MWhr, higher than SA at $241, while Qld cruised along at $93, NSW at $117. National grid?

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        Terry

        I have a better question.

        Why, in 2019 with all of the technology now available to us, is NSW only able to get below $100 and not a figure half of that, or less?

        Maybe even a better question than that.

        Why, when SA and VIC have been deliberately sabotaging their energy infrastructure, is there still an extension cord plugged in between fossil fuel states and the democratic socialist republics of ruinables in the South? (You can throw in “100% renewable” ACT into that)

        Cut them off. Let them bask in the glow of that virtue they dogmatically seek and all of the consequences that come with it.

        For the Big Government types, we can even make it a government “program”, or better still, an “initiative”.

        Let’s call it the Real Energy Appreciation Program (REAP), brought to you by the Sanctimony Of Warmists(SOW): a government initiative.

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    RicDre

    “Hands up who wants to stop AIDS with solar panels?”

    I was skiing in Michigan USA last Wednesday (-8F), and I noticed that all of the solar panels were covered with snow and heard that the wind turbines were shut down because of the cold. Thank goodness for that coal and gas fired electricity and for logs burning in the lodge fireplace.

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    Alarmists have a secret weapon, to help them to avoid the truth.

    People who are interested in global warming, can be divided into 2 categories.

    Those who are open-minded, and willing to learn new things about global warming.

    And those who are close-minded, and unwilling to learn new things about global warming.

    Unfortunately, there are many people in the 2nd category. We call them “Alarmists”.

    Alarmists have a secret weapon, to help them to avoid the truth. It is called, “the cloak of stupidity”.

    This is like Harry Potter’s “cloak of invisibility”, but it is used to avoid “new” ideas.

    Like Harry Potter’s magic, the “cloak of stupidity” spell is invoked by saying some magic words, “denierus protectus”.

    Many Alarmists shorten this to just “denier”.

    https://agree-to-disagree.com/the-cloak-of-stupidity

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    Neville

    Interesting that the York Uni tool shows 1916 to 1945 trend from Berkeley to be 0.171 c/dec, GISS 0.154 c/dec and HAD crut 4 0.167 c/dec. So even with the dubious recent adjustments of the HAD 4 Crut. 1975 to 2009 trend is only two hundredths of a degree C above the Berkeley trend for 1916 to 1945. Not much difference than the 0.017 c of GISS and Berkeley 1916 to 1945.

    http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~cowtan/applets/trend/trend.html

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      el gordo

      The problem I have with lukewarmers is that they are bogged down in the temperature debate, when we should be watching the oscillations do a merry dance.

      Do you believe that low solar activity is responsible for the hiatus?

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        ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N

        All energy comes from the Sun, but it’s buffered in time by the oceans. Solar effects are never immediate.

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          el gordo

          CO2 continues to climb and the sun is in a slump, it looks like carbon dioxide emissions are keeping us up on this high plateau.

          If there is a strong El Nino this year then temperatures will spike, so until La Nina shows her face we can’t argue our case that Sol is the main driver.

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    Terry

    This is becoming extremely serious now.

    Stupid is one thing, malevolence quite another but how does one deal with total insanity.

    These people have lost their minds. There is no reasoning with a hollow shell and when that hollow shell means you great harm, what options are left?

    The consequences of this scenario are dire. The real and present danger of ‘Climate Change’ is not global temperatures and rising seas but the wave of zombie-like ideologues that have rallied around this new and dangerous cult.

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    Dennis

    Interesting image on Sky Outsiders today of a wind turbine iced up, as no doubt most in the freezing cold countries are now.

    What will happen when they are free of ice, will the drive shaft bearings be badly damaged?

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      John of Cloverdale, Western Australia

      During the recent big freeze in the US mid-west, on 31 January 2019, wind only provided 5% to their electricity needs, solar nil, whereas, fossil fuels provided 79% (Coal 49%, Gas 30%), Nuclear 13%.

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      David Maddison

      Let’s hope so!

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    Bill In Oz

    I’ve just done a search of the ABC South Australia’s news website back to the 25th of January. On the 25th the wholesale cost of power in SA went up to $14,500. But the ABC in SA has never mentioned it. Now how can that be ? It’s NEWS ! But the ABC never told us or discussed it. Today power is $320.00 a mega wat hour. And again it is not fir to be published on the ABC’s website.

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      Dennis

      I would have thought that the public broadcaster funded by taxpayers would keep taxpayers informed about electricity pricing factors and related unreliable energy.

      sarc

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      George

      It will be hard for them to avoid reporting a big rise in electricity bills for SA and VIC consumers.

      The futures price for 2019 is now around $115 MWh for Vic, $112 MWh for SA.

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        Bill In Oz

        But I expect that’s exactly what will happen.

        Telling the truth will undermine their greenist principles.

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      George

      It will be hard for them to avoid reporting a big rise in electricity bills for SA and VIC consumers.

      The futures price for 2019 is now around $115 MWh for Vic, $112 MWh for SA.

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    How is it possible that these experts can stay ignorant of the effects of global cooling on Africa? It’s not that one group of researchers has to be better than another, but each group should be aware of the existence of others, surely.

    Verschuren et al on the drought peaks 1390-1420, 1560-1625 and 1760-1840 in East Africa: “more severe than any recorded drought of the twentieth century.”

    It’s not simple. The first two major drought phases occurred between the major solar minima of the LIA. The third coincides with the Dalton. But it is clear that there were no good-old-days for Africa since the end of the big pluvial and maximal warming some six thousand years back. I’m sure all that moisture brought its own problems, but for how long do these climate hucksters get away with implying an automatic link between warm and dry when, for the greater part of the world, the opposite is true?

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      George

      The climate models disagree with each other over which regions will become wetter and which drier with warming.
      For example for Australia, the CSIRO model projects precipitation decreases of around 50% on average by the end of the century. In stark contrast, the Chinese FGOALS model projects a 30% average increase in precipitation by 2100, with almost no areas experiencing less rainfall.

      I wouldn’t trust their models more than 1 week into the future.

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    RAH

    The snow on Kilimanjaro was supposed be gone but is actually growing. http://www.just-kilimanjaro.com/?/blog/view/snow-adorns-the-crown-of-kilimanjaro
    Dagnabit, the snow and ice all over the world just won’t do what “scientists said”.

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      ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N

      But if you listen to the likes of Gore and co., they excuse it as what all scientists expected, although they never mentioned it before. I find it astounding that people still believe their spin. Warmist activists are just useless people looking for a cause.

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    Keithy

    One thing that Climate Change does is cause really nice photos of sunsets.Every bit of propoganda now has a cooling tower with the steam backlit by a lovely sunset. Of course this makes it look quite dark and must be unitentional!!! Who remembers the photoshopped images of the decommissioned Battersea Power Station during the Carbon Tax era.???
    Having travelled to Lesotho before the drought I can say that Aids was at epidemic proportions there and all over South Africa.The Lesotho village we visited derived income from tourists and from running weed into South Africa by walking big distances down the mountainsides through the Sani Pass.

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    Keithy

    Propaganda.Cardinal sin for a Grammar School boy.

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