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History making big freeze in the US

In parts of the US schools are closed, flights are cancelled, and USPS has even stopped deliveries. Frostbite can occur in ten minutes or less, and police stations have opened their doors to the homeless…

Once in a generation blast of cold weather:  From the BBC

Deadly cold weather has brought what meteorologists call a “once-in-a-generation” deep freeze to the US.

The extreme Arctic blasts, caused by a spinning pool of cold air known as the polar vortex, could bring wind chill temperatures as low as -53C (-64F).

Weather officials in the state of Iowa have warned people to “avoid taking deep breaths, and to minimise talking” if they go outside.

Chicago police say people are being robbed at gunpoint of their coats.

 This may be the beast from the Sudden Stratospheric Warming that was raging a month or so ago high above the Arctic jet streams.

Forecasters are attributing this cold snap to a sudden warming above the North Pole, caused by a blast of hot air from Morocco last month.

Cities shutting down:

Grand Forks, North Dakota, has so far seen the lowest wind chill at -54C on Wednesday morning.

Freezing weather will chill 250 million Americans, and 90 million will experience -17C (0F) or colder temperatures.

“This could possibly be history-making,” said Ricky Castro, a National Weather Service meteorologist in Illinois.

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump Jan 28

In the beautiful Midwest, windchill temperatures are reaching minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. In coming days, expected to get even colder. People can’t last outside even for minutes. What the hell is going on with Global Waming? Please come back fast, we need you!

NOAA Tweeted a link to an article about record snowstorms in reply, or rather, as the BBC says “in what was widely interpreted as a rebuttal to the president.” In other words, if you find this convincing, it was a reply. If you know it’s irrelevant… nevermind.

Record Snowstorms, NOAA. Cartoon.

Oops. Did NOAA just imply that warm water leads to cold air?

Steve Goddard‏ @SteveSGoddard 16h16 hours ago

Replying to @NOAAClimate

This is complete nonsense. The record cold air has an extremely low dew point, meaning it contains very small amounts of moisture. It is sad that government agencies like @NOAA continue to misinform the public.

Steve Goddard‏ @SteveSGoddard 16h16 hours ago

Anyone who believes record cold air is coming from a warm melting Arctic, has no business discussing climate.

The thing is, super cold and record snowstorms are not necessarily the same thing. If only NOAA knew more about the climate…

Was there any climate model that predicted we would get record cold temperatures?

 Best wishes to our US friends.

h/t Pat

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    TdeF

    Hollywood melts after Donald Trump’s tweet

    “In the beautiful Midwest, windchill temperatures are reaching minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. In coming days, expected to get even colder,” Trump said. “People can’t last outside even for minutes. What the hell is going on with Global Waming? Please come back fast, we need you!”

    They even ridicule his typo. The problem is that Hollywood arguing record cold is actually warming flies in the face of reality. Only Hollywood knows that “the weather and the climate are different” when in fact the climate is made wholly and solely, 100% from the weather and a warmer climate means warmer weather.

    A bit like Cook’s complete lack of self awareness when he attacks people’s view of his science as irrational, as if he was a real scientist instead of a commentator. Like Flannery and Gore, Cook assumes he understands Rational science because he has a view and could not possibly be wrong. It is the arrogance of ignorance.
    Telling people cold is hot does sound quite mad. Most people would agree with Trump. Like the Moonies, Hollywood needs deprogramming.

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      PeterS

      Hollywood has turned into the front line entertainment industry for the globalists. This guy goes into great detail about some of the Satanic movies being released of late. https://www.youtube.com/user/jaydyer/videos
      I don’t agree with everything he says but there is a lot of truth in his commentaries.

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        OriginalSteve

        There is a lot of esoteric symbolism used in many movies. A single eye ( hand covering an eye ), the satanic salute ( the standard rock music salute with index and little fingers raised on a hand ), the chequered balck/white floors, etc etc. If you want to look, you will find it.

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          PeterS

          Yeap, and a lot more. Jay Dyer goes through lots of examples. It demonstrates it has to be deliberate as there are far too many examples to be an accident.

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        The mark of the beast is already evident in CAGW climate tracts like The Satanic Gases.
        Why does CSIRO continue to refuse to have its CAM-5 modeling software exorcised by Sarah Plin’s top Nigerian Science Guy?

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      Geoff

      The BIG issue is what is coming next. Do we face a decade low temperature period due to low Sun activity or is our mag field going to go lower and the poles start moving around before a complete flip with a mini ice age?

      A 12 year low will mean lower ocean temps in high northern latitudes, winter drought in southern Australia and high central Australian temps in summer with rapid transitions to very cold winters.

      Do we have dams to catch the transition rainfall?

      Just who is prepared to build some big power sources not dependent on wind and solar? We might need them.

      We are going to know by mid Feb what to expect.

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      Add enough thermal contrast equator to pole, and , surprise !, you can get the circumpolar circulation to wobble about, and send the jet stream south in the hemisphere experiencing winter.

      Alas for Jo’s readers, ( and investors in her spouse’s failed Global Cooling hedge fund, the perturbation is symmetrical,which is why Jo & Co. are sweltering even as they fib about the impact of anthropogenic climate change on the weather stats of the Great White North:

      https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2019/01/when-trump-trolls-nullarbor-coast.html

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        Tom O

        Russell, if we had global warming, there would be less contrast equator to pole, not more. You can’t have it both ways with your religion. Also, in order to have symmetry, as you say, the changes wouldn’t show up as more cold in the northern hemisphere and more heat in the southern. It would show up as more heat at BOTH poles, not just one, and more heat in both hemispheres, not just one. And in order to have more “hot days,” they would have to be numerically more of them, and they would have to be actually HOTTER than previous ones. Just as the “hot days” in the northern hemisphere reflect warmer nights due to urban growth, not to hotter high temperatures. Oddly, we seem to have lower high temperatures which suggests COOLING.

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    TdeF

    I am seriously puzzled. Has anyone actually explained how warming makes things colder? I mean an actual explanation, apart from the usual nonsense that warming somehow makes things more extreme, even the cold bits.

    It’s bad enough with the total lack of evidence that the CO2 increase is man made, that increased CO2 makes the planet substantially warmer without having to accept that a warmer planet is also colder.

    How can you deny something when no one has even tried to prove it? How can the climate be different from the weather when it is simply an average of the weather?

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      This is actually a good example of equilibrium. As the world gets hotter, it also gets cooler. So we have nothing to worry about when it comes to global warming, Gaia has solved the problem. Now let’s put all tat money to better use.

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        PeterS

        Well one good use for some of that money currently wasted on renewables is to re-educate the children and students of all Western schools and Universities about the truth of the CAGW hoax. That would be a good start. Trouble is who has the incentive to do it? Certainly no government appears to have it, not even Trump. So the hoax and the scam continue unabated.

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          OriginalSteve

          Sad actually, regards American science. They can send men to the moon using slide rules for calculations, but the kiss of death is when they invented the *political* IPCC and put itn charge of ruining proper science.

          Once enough scientists realized they had been fooled, it was too late for thier careers, and now they have to keep hold of the tail of the lion, lest it turn around and bite them……

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          PADRE

          I couldn’t agree more with you, Peter, but how many primary school teachers, let alone politicians, have the knowledge and gumption to challenge the AGW narrative? As chairman of governors of a Church of England primary school and local parish priest I always used the school Harvest Festival to extol the virtues of CO2.
          As I mentioned in a previous post, I wish our politicians, instead of saying, “we are tackling climate change”, would ask to see the data which proves that we are likely to suffer from catastrophic global warming.

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            I wish our politicians, instead of saying, “we are tackling climate change”, would ask to see the data which proves that we are likely to suffer from catastrophic global warming.

            There are very few politicians who are not invertebrates and prepared to question this premise, even if they privately had doubts or were of a view that it’s all a scam.

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              Tom O

              Most politicians aren’t spineless, they just know who pays for their election campaigns. If “the people” would stop allowing the MSM to make up their minds for them about politicians and started doing THEIR part in the governing process, you wouldn’t see quite so many “bought and paid for” politicians following their owners dictates. Until “the people” realize it is their duty to do due diligence while politicians run for office, you and I will continue to see those who “follow the money” follow it and use it to bullshine their way into office.

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      the explanation is pretty well documented. Just look. In fact look north.

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      NuThink

      I did a google search because as a kid in the 50′s on a holiday farmstay the farmer had a kerosene fridge.
      A small kerosene flame was all that drove the fridge.
      I did not know at the time how it worked but the explanation follows.

      http://www.gas-fridge.com/files/39420015853e2595704dc7.pdf

      In 1926 Albert Einstein and a former student, Leo Szilard, embarked on a venture to develop a safer
      refrigerator since the electric refrigerators of the time were known to leak toxic gases through broken
      seals. Such an incident of a German family killed by fumes caught the attention of Einstein and sparked
      this project. Einstein insisted that a better refrigerator design must be possible.
      Their goal was to design a device with no moving parts or mechanical motion and eliminate the wear
      and tear factor. They used their knowledge of thermodynamics to produce an absorption refrigerator.
      This device would drive a
      combination of safer
      gases and liquids through
      three interconnected
      circuits. It required only a
      small gas flame as a heat
      source and was totally
      sealed and safe. Some
      experts estimate the
      sealed system could last
      100 years.

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        Kinky Keith

        Before our Kero Fridge we had a box fridge with a space for a large block of ice to fit. Meltwater was caught in a tray that had to be emptied regularly.

        KK

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        sophocles

        An Einstein-Szilard refrigerator. It’s the sort of thing we should all be using :-) .
        Westinghouse managed to corner the market with their mechanical monsters motors so their competition didn’t get any real improvement or further development. Maybe it’s time has come and it should be worked on again.
        It could be the answer to wind power! And PV. (Low power consumption etc)

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        OriginalSteve

        High temps and Sydney blackout? Coincidence?

        Has the Dangerous Dan “virus” now infected NSW power supplies?

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-31/power-outages-across-sydney-affecting-thousands/10766530

        “About 45,000 homes and businesses in Sydney’s eastern suburbs are without power, and police have confirmed people are trapped in lifts in apartment complexes and businesses.
        Power supply was interrupted shortly before 11:30am with the affected areas including Randwick, Bondi Junction, Bondi, Kensington, Waverley, Double Bay and Woollahra.
        The cause is not known at this stage.

        Emergency crews were on the way to locate and isolate the fault before “restoring power safely”, power supplier Ausgrid said.”

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          beowulf

          Randwick, Bondi Junction, Bondi, Kensington, Waverley, Double Bay and Woollahra.

          If it had to happen it’s good to see the blackouts were largely confined to that Green, windmill-pushing numpty Kerryn Phelps’ electorate of Wentworth, rather than to some poor suckers in western Sydney where it’s 4 degrees hotter. Schadenfreude.

          The problem is that the message won’t sink into their thick Green, privileged, Wentworth skulls. The outrage will be extreme. Coal power will be tried and convicted whatever the cause.

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      “I am seriously puzzled.”

      Then all the obfuscation, misdirection and bombastic rhetoric is working.

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    TdeF

    Why can’t cold be produced by cold, lack of heat? Why does it have to be produced by heating somewhere, sometime else?

    The desperation to blame the coldest weather ever experienced on Global Warming would have to be rated as total denial. In the US you get weather explanations and extreme abuse of the President from late night comedians, Cher and Jim Carrey. Irrational, political science.

    In the real world cold is caused by lack of heat, not heating. Of course the whole disaster is caused by Donald Trump denial of man made Global Warming and exit from the Paris Treaty.

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      Another Ian

      TdeF

      Well a refrigerator is only a negative heat generator after all

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        Another Ian

        More on what NOAA was cooking in that kettle

        https://realclimatescience.com/2019/01/obamas-ethics-director/

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          Another Ian

          In comments

          “Poor old ‘Travesty Trenberth’ had trouble finding the missing heat, at least the missing cold has turned up.”

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              theRealUniverse

              Yep Another Ian, Maurice Strong, organiser of the first UN climate summit, 1992:
              “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse.”
              That was it the ‘official start’ of our (we the people) demise.

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                OriginalSteve

                The only way they could do that is either :

                * biological agent ( likely )
                * war ( unlikely – they want the infrastructure intact for their enjoyment )
                * Starvation ( unlikely )

                So my money is on either a real ebola-like takedown ( messy ), or an faked “crisis”, but using mandantory tainted vaccines as the delivery vector….

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                Greg Cavanagh

                Original: If they attempt anything like that at all, people will panic/riot and destruction on a grand scale will happen. Although it would look dramatic, Rome burning again, the infrastructure will mostly be intact.

                But I’ve been thinking long and hard about exactly this question for some time. If the population decreases, the standard of living decreases also. I’ve come to the conclusion that it is impossible to maintain current living standards with a reduced population. The population supply money, need, and people to man the machines to build and maintain our current standard. Reduce the numbers, and the living standard is reduced also.

                I could go into explanations, but I’ll keep it brief for now.

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                OriginalSteve

                I think they will have sufficiently advanced robotics to handle a lot of drudge jobs. Why do you need people?

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            sophocles

            So this present cold is, according the Honourably Dishonourable Beeb, a once in a generation feature.

            I wonder what they will say after next winter turns out worse? When the winter after that is worse still? For the next thirty years? That’s a generation …

            Well, 2019 was forecast projected predicted to be the start of the real cold. (Listening, Mr Fitzroy?)
            It’s supposed to be all downhill from here.

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              Kinky Keith

              Several years ago now there was a terrible loss of animal life in Russia: frozen.

              10,000 beasts, possibly deer, I forget, but they were the local food supply. You can imagine that all care would have been taken but nature won that fight.

              That was a good warning for the future.

              KK

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              el gordo

              ‘It’s supposed to be all downhill from here.’

              Not quite, a strong El Nino this year will send temperatures higher, the tipping point into s colder clime will be in 2020. That’s my vision anyway.

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        A refrigerator moves heat from inside the box to the room containing the box. Moreover; it’s inefficient and the room is heated by more than the inside of the box is cooled, thus it’s a heat generator and not a cold generator.

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      theRealUniverse

      “Anyone who believes record cold air is coming from a warm melting Arctic, has no business discussing climate.” Exactly correct, Steve Goddard.

      The warmistas are desperate to find ‘warming’ in the frigid arctic/antarctic areas. When none exist.

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    Dave Ward

    Cold air has an extremely low dew point, meaning it contains very small amounts of moisture

    AS a former private pilot, I remember being taught that carburettor icing was far more likely on a warm summer day than on a crisp winter morning, for exactly that reason.

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      I was in the Finnish Army in the early 70s and we’d be out around the Arctic Circle for several weeks when it was -32C (moving about on skis and camping in tents) and when it starts to go below -15 or so, the air would get very, very, dry. Once it started to get around 0C, things became very wet.

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      James

      Correct. I remember being taught that carb ice engine failure does occur in Florida!

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      yarpos

      I remember looking out the window at work when I first moved to Europe look at the odd sight (to me from OZ) of the town covered in snow. Was talking with a US colleague trying to learn more about living in a cold climate , I recall one of the comments was “we wont see much more snow now for a while its too cold”

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    Lionell Griffith

    “how warming makes things colder?”

    By ignoring reality.

    The left feels as long as they can trick the masses into believing reality is not real and that their fantastical fantasies are real, they can get away with it. So far it seems to be working.

    It is but a minor piffle, to them, that their trick works only as long as other people’s money exists to be confiscated and spent. After that? “I…I…I didn’t mean for this to happen. I say that is exactly what that meant to happen when at first they chose to evade reality and continued to do so until the bitter end.

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      Dennis

      2/10/2015
      Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man’s stewardship of the environment. But we know that’s not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this.

      At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

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        ivan

        see this As has been said so many times ‘it’s all about the money’.

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        sophocles

        Christina Figueres has told the world that every year since c. 2010, and probable from a lot earlier than that but that is as far back as I can remember. Nobody can say we haven’t been warned. Viscount Monkton produced a video about it in 2014 which is still good viewing Agenda 21 and Environmental Marxism.
        [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hyl9YzJsQg ]

        We can’t say we haven’t been warned.

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          Dennis

          The problem as I see it Sophocles is ownership of media businesses in which the plotters such as George Soros have significant shareholding and influence.

          Several years ago, for example, Soros purchased shares to the value of several million Australian Dollars in Television Network Channel 9 Australia.

          And another example that just came to mind: Around 2008 then Labor Prime Minister Rudd diverted his RAAF VIP 737 jet flight to Perth to Broome WA where he visited the Network Channel 7 Chairman Kerry Stokes at his Cable Beach seaside resort. The PM then went to Perth and returned to Canberra.

          A while later the Labor Government announced a A$250 million a year reduction in broadcasting licensing fees for all media businesses to share. The cuts have saved them around $2.5 billion dollars to date.

          At the same time ABC funding was increased, including extra for social media development. And a contract for broadcasting into Asia for the Government was snatched away from the selected best tenderer at the last minute and handed to ABC together with required extra funding.

          You may know that ABC is subject to an Act of Parliament and that restricts governments from interfering in ABC operations, a Charter outlines the code of conduct required but that is no longer followed we believe. The Board of Directors and Chairman are government appointees and they appoint the Managing Director. The Board reports to the Minister for Communications who represents the shareholders, the people of Australia.

          There are many examples of public service organisations being “directed” by politicians, BoM for example as covered here from time to time.

          The noose around our collective necks slowly tightens as the cooperative of politicians who seem to out number the patriots allow the UN octopus to reach in and steal our sovereignty.

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            Dennis

            Constitution?

            Referendum?

            Implement UN treaties without we the people having our say, of course, why not, the cooperative operates in government or opposition, breaching constitutional law not a problem for them, apparently.

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      Binny Pegler

      There is no reality in religion, yet it has existed for as long as humans. It’s no accident that the rise of ‘Eco Religion’ mirrors the decline of traditonal religion. These transations have happen a number of times through out human history.

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    Spetzer86

    Hey, it was 15.5C inside my office this AM! Just because it was -23C outside doesn’t mean anything.

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    mike reed

    So here we go again 1 plus 1 is equal to 5 or 6 or7 or whatever! Black is white ! And now heat causes cold.Say anything that is absurd or contradictory and thats the
    “required ” explanation.I don’t know how these people keep a straight face when they spin this Bu..S..t .Again crap like “its worse than we thought”because “in a warmer
    world” things are going to get colder.This level of blatant lying is unbelievable .Now apparently opposites of reality are true like when you fall off a 100 metre cliff you won’t die but you will float (only up to heaven if you have been good).This brave new absurd world of “explanations” means that the purveyors of this rubbish are either
    on mind altering drugs or they are severely mentally disturbed.
    Cheers Mike Reed

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      yarpos

      I enjoy the increasing complexity and creativity of the systems they have to conjure up to keep explaining away reality not matching the narrative. The ever changing story is ever more unbelievable. The common man tuned out a while ago, much to their frustration.

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      William

      The loons are patiently explaining why global warming causes polar vortexes and how Americans have to accept it will happen more often. No doubt those natural climate deniers will expand their explanations when the polar vortexes last longer and spread over greater areas and when it doesn’t snow in summer and it is white all year round, they will have newer and better explanations as to why cold weather means a hot climate.

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    Latus Dextro

    NASA Sees Climate Cooling Trend Thanks to Low Sun Activity

    From the Hollyweird herd of liberal hotheads, those that reside in gated communities and those whose mansions are surrounded by walls with their trailing gaggle of useful idiots in the MSM, their collective output of hypocrisy has become a crescendissimo of white noise. It is as revealing as it is comedic and enjoyable.

    The intentional one sided CAGW conflation of chaotic natural ‘climate variation’ with ‘climate change’ (UNFCCC definitions), or of weather with climate, that odious, insidious, pervasive, insistent, repetitive narrative of propaganda and conditioning propagated by the MSM to propel the globalist Trojan horse of climatism, it all falls apart the moment POTUS jokingly pokes it with a stick. That the Left are bereft of humour is an understatement. Theirs is the desperation of the insane.

    Their self-exposure is as truly hilarious as the narrative is fragile and brittle.

    The frenzied daily whipping by Western government met offices with the barbed canes of weather porn and climafiction always in the direction of heat is a beating to which many clearly are beyond habituated; addicted might be a better description. The moment their fix is threatened is precisely the moment they are doomed to unhinge. It is the predictable destination of the afflicted. It is when warming is cold, freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength, happiness is acceptance. Orwell is killing himself with laughter and rotation in his grave.

    Hollyweird chants death by heat or death by Trump in the same fetid exhalation they would better conserve if they actually believed their own rabid ranting. Of course they don’t.

    Pecksniffian virtue signalling is their currency. It is well en route to total devaluation.

    They will do it or nature will do it. Either way, the music has stopped, the game is up, the charade is over.

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    Kinky Keith

    Some very important comment and leading questions by TdeF.

    As he shows, the media and Hollywood, have something in common that I believe approaches arrogance and demonstrates a lack of concern for the real, working US population base who need truth, guidance and support in this difficult situation.

    I wonder how much of their wealth Cher and Jim Carey and Leonardo DiCaprio have allocated to providing real lifesaving support to those trapped by the Cold?

    Jo’s explanation of the warming explanation coming from the U.S. weather organizations is all we have.

    Whether it’s correct or not, I have a strong suspicion that this type of cold spill into North America has happened in the past but perhaps not with the same lethal outcome.

    Living here about 34° down from the equator and on the coast it is hard to imagine the danger and threat posed by this situation and we must hope that there is relief soon.

    Warnings have been present in recent years when similar but less extreme weather has occurred and it looks like it might be time for Government to address the real issue, and it’s certainly not Global Warming.

    What I find so worrying is the huge government edifice built around the CAGW meme which needs to be dismantled so that resources can be directed to the Cold problem.

    I have little doubt that one day, hopefully, a long way in the future, New York Central park Will again be covered by an ice field 1500 metres deep as it was 25,000 years ago..

    Until that time governments need to get real and face the current life threatening problem.

    KK

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      yarpos

      I’m sure Winfrey and Obama will kick in big time for their old home town.

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      sophocles

      It could start as early as 2027, but I haven’t checked the other guy’s calculations yet.
      I’m watching with acute interest …

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      Mark D.

      Great Comment KK.
      As someone that has personally lived through many Mid West USA winters (me). I can say YES these have happened before. The air mass may have dipped more south this time but the cold air masses have been here before. Usually January is good for two or so weeks of -20F to -30F real air temp not just wind chill.

      Let me get all high and mighty here now! LAST NIGHT WAS -31F AND I NEED LOWEST COST HEAT TO SURVIVE! F.O. all the imaginary global warming fiends that are operating to cause higher cost WARM. We have been relatively fortunate so far that costs for WARM have not risen here yet nor have we suffered power outages due to grid stability issues. That said we have had numerous organized opposition to oil pipeline re-construction and lots of out of state invading protesters trying to shut down life.

      THAT AFFECTS BOTH MY COST OF LIVING AND COST OF STAYING WARM!

      If you can’t tell I’m getting close to my limit. I spent an hour shoveling snow against my modest house at 2:30am in -27F and 20 mile per hour wind LAST NIGHT to keep pipes from freezing.

      I waive my middle finger!
      Fu*c Off you protesting globul warming fanatics It ain’t nearly warm enough on this earth yet.

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        Kinky Keith

        Thanks Mark,

        My sister in law lives in Virginia, almost in Washington dc, and in past years has talked about the cold and the icy roads.

        Such conditions are hard to imagine when our coastal temperatures rarely get near 0°C.

        As a kid, sixty plus years ago, we would have maybe 10 days in a row with temperatures between 100 and 107°F.

        Anything under 100 wasn’t worth worrying about: in the heat we just went to the beach in the morning and lay on the bed in the afternoon until the southerly buster arrived with a cool break from the Antarctic.

        Weather.

        KK

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    Tdef

    The real question is when the absurd explanations of record caused by warming become ridiculous. When audiences don’t find it amusing. The illogical desperation to pretend climate is nothing to do with the weather will be met with silence. Then anger. You can fool some of the people some of the time. Obviously falling temperatures will change everything.

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      Dennis

      On Sunday standing in an air conditioned service station pay area I commented that the temperature outside was pleasant. The attendant, 40 something I guess, replied that it keeps getting hotter every year. I disagreed with him and said above average summer temperatures are normal, and so our periods of drought. And added that my builder son tells people who work and travel in air conditioned surroundings should spend more time in the great outdoors to know what normal conditions are.

      The attendant looked confused and replied that it is on the news every night.

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        OriginalSteve

        And right there is your answer about how the MSM can set up a change of govt…..

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        yarpos

        Yep my barber thinks the country is powered by windmills and it all works because the wind is always blowing somewhere. I worry that she is allowed to use sharp things near my head.

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        Serp

        Yeah, the constant MSM reinforcement will defeat the efforts of any single person to correct mistaken beliefs and the media’s job has been made lots easier by the calculated destruction of our education system since the ructions of 1968 to the point that nowadays it’s hard not to think most people are stupid when in fact what’s happened is that they’ve been conditioned not to think for themselves.

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      Kinky Keith

      It’s not hard to picture the mental distress of a U.S. resident now trapped in their home by ice and snow.

      It’s not hard to see that their politico media induced fears of global warming will cease to exist.

      Can Global Warming survive.

      Surely unlikely.

      KK

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        ivan

        Can Global Warming survive.

        Surely unlikely.

        We can hope but too many people are too gullible and afraid to admit they were wrong.

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        yarpos

        We dwell on global warming as it easy to defeat. They have long moved on the the more nebulous climate change and extreme weather. Extreme weather will be trotted out and mentioned in conjunction with climate change and a bit of hand waving. No further explanation given (or possible in reality) but job done.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    They had record snowstorms as mentioned in the article. Where did the water to make the snow come from?

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      yarpos

      There is moisture in the air all around us to varying degrees. Its not magic.

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      Sceptical Sam

      You and your comrades purport to be the experts.

      So tell us: where did it come from?

      Oh, and BTW; you still haven’t addressed the CO2 and Global Warming question.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      I’d say pretty much as NOAA said, warmer sea more evaporation, hits that cold air and falls as snow. What is your explanation?

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        Bill In Oz

        What snow ?

        It’s dry cold air fritz.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          in the article above:
          Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump Jan 28

          In the beautiful Midwest, windchill temperatures are reaching minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. In coming days, expected to get even colder. People can’t last outside even for minutes. What the hell is going on with Global Waming?[sic] Please come back fast, we need you!

          NOAA Tweeted a link to an article about record snowstorms in reply

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            Sceptical Sam

            NOAA Tweeted a link to an article about record snowstorms in reply

            Well, of course it would. It has to defend its corrupt science doesn’t it. Just like BoM and all the rest.

            Do you never think for yourself?

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            AndyG55

            Trump truly is a master at getting the left’s dander up, isn’t he.

            Love the spelling mistake to make draw more people to take notice.

            And NOAA then tries to link global warming to a record snowstorm, making a total mockery of themselves.

            Trump could not have planned it better.

            Brilliant work :-)

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            Dennis

            Some with a right side of brain missing cannot detect sarcasm and black humour.

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            Phoenix 44

            And where does that say snow?

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        AndyG55

        Except the air is coming from the Arctic, where it is colder, for this time of year, than it has been for several years.

        So your explanation, like you, falls flat on its face.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          You still have to explain where the snow came from. I’m in the NOAA camp, you have rejected that, but have yet to offer an explanation

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            Mark D.

            The NOAA camp suggests that warming creates more cold? You do know that this thread is about cold???

            Dum*assh

            Snow is NOT above mean where I’m at AT ALL.

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          Kinky Keith

          It doesn’t bear replying to does it.

          As dry cold air in Dee Polar Vortex is pushed down over Canada to dee U.S., it meets warmer air dat has been playing over d oceans.

          When playing over d ocean it invites warta vapa on board and it all goes to meet da vortex.

          The vortex turns da moist air into Snow and lands gently on da landscape causing great stress to the AlGorithm.

          KK

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        sophocles

        Don’t you see the storm fronts crossing the CONUS?

        Ever looked at earth.nullschool.net? You can watch the weather around the world.
        It’s real time so you can see the punishment, little boy.

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          sophocles

          With these tools available to you pfutz, nobody should have to explain anything to you.
          What’s the point? You don’t listen anyway …

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            Sceptical Sam

            What’s the point? You don’t listen anyway …

            So true. Is his tin ear powered by solar? Or wind perhaps?

            It’s a convenient excuse for his ignorance and failure to appreciate the scientific method at least.

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              el gordo

              Just because a commenter has different point of view (supported by MSM, klimatariat and politicians on a contrarian blog) doesn’t mean he is ignorant.

              Fitz argues for the warmist red team and we are the blue team. I see a lot of people waving hands about, but if you can’t get in the last word, expressed simply, intelligently and with a modicum of wit, then Rowan Dean will have nothing to work with.

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                Kinky Keith

                I’ve not seen any genuine inquiry into points of interest nor any accurate or useful contribution.

                He’s building a reputation for use outside this blog.

                KK

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                AndyG55

                “doesn’t mean he is ignorant”

                But pfutz is most certainly ignorant on basically everything about climate.

                Even more so that you are , geegee.

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                Sceptical Sam

                Well of course he’s ignorant.

                If he wasn’t, he’d have answered the CO2 and Global Warming question put to him a couple of weeks ago.

                We’re still waiting. He’s got no answer.

                If it’s not ignorance then it’s stupidity. He can take his pick.

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        the adorable Gee Ayeeee

        hey Fitzy,,, stop responding to questions and being on topic

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      Texan Forever

      Had you taken high school science courses generations ago you would have learned that Earth’s atmosphere is mostly water vapor. Also you would know that CO1 (auto exhaust) is the poison and CO2 (exhaled by humans and animals) is the good stuff and not a poison. All plants need CO2 to survive and thrive. Unfortunately, CO2 is only less than 1/3rd of one percent (0.01) of our atmosphere. Commercial greenhouses buy extra CO2 for their plants for higher yields. We need MORE C02, not less, to feed our expanding populations.

      Astronomy 101 teaches us that the climate on Mars and the Earth run in parallel, regulated by the Sun’s 11-year activity cycles. Martian polar caps expand and contract in unison with those of the Earth. This is observable via telescope.

      Global warming, AKA Climate Change, is a colossal scam but true believers are too embarrassed to admit they could possibly be wrong about anything due to their fragile egos. Note that crooked Al Gore built his mansion at sea level by the ocean, showing even he doesn’t believe in his “Inconvenient Truth.” … It’s all a scam.
      .

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        the adorable Gee Ayeeee

        omg… if nitrogen is 70% of the atmosphere and water makes up most of the atmosphere then…

        glurg glurg

        thanks goodness school curricula respond to current knowledge (not that your imagines were ever taught).

        well the heartening thing is that only one person up thumbed this

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          Kinky Keith

          I read the whole thing and assessed that as a small error which the writer may have corrected on proof reading.

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          Kinky Keith

          Maybe he was thinking of the famous greenhouse gases.

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            sophocles

            maybe. He may return and leave an errata. But until then, I agree with Gee Aye.
            It may be the first time in a long time and it may never happen again but Gee Aye
            is right. We’re not piscean …

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              the thing that irked me was the implication that he was taught right and that some sort of fact from generations ago has been glossed over. There is a common meme that goes, “if you were taught right like I was”, as though that makes one right. It is analogous to the, “if you knew common sense then…” method of arguing. Andy loves that method… plus a few expletives.

              Since we’ve never seen the Texan before, I’m guessing he’s a lefty troll trying to see how many righty loonies he can get to agree with him.

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                Kinky Keith

                Like Piotr Fitzgerald?

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                AndyG55

                He does seem to have his “facts” about the atmosphere, rather “mixed up” doesn’t he. ;-)

                And yes, geegee, I know you have trouble keeping up with science, and wouldn’t a clue what “common-sense” is, but there is really no need to keep pointing it out.

                And please point out where I have ever used expletives.

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        PeterFitzroy

        We are over 420ppm, double that to 840 -and you are going have a nice fat headache.

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    Bill In Oz

    Off Topic and already posted last night at 12.19 on the previous post, but…….This should not go unheralded !

    The Chiefio has posted an excellent post on the lack of weather readings in any quantity or quality. for the Southern Ocean..Not often that anyone in the Northern hemisphere does post with a southern hemisphere perspective..

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/

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    el gordo

    This severe weather was forecast a month ago.

    http://www.severe-weather.eu/long-range-2/sudden-stratospheric-warming-underway/

    What is the atmospheric mechanism causing stratospheric warming? Is CO2 implicated? Perhaps its that much larger greenhouse gas H2O? Does it have anything to do with the Quasi-biennial Oscillation?

    Fitz will be here in a minute to set us straight.

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      Kinky Keith

      Hi El gordo.

      It’s interesting that stratospheric warming is mentioned as a player in the current disturbance and we both seem interested in the mechanism at play.

      I would make this observation; in air at STP there are approximately 1.227 kg of mass per cubic metre.

      While the “temperature” rise denoted as stratospheric heating may be true, there’s another larger truth not in public view.

      I think we both have the same question.

      KK

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    Bill In Oz

    On Topic…

    When will someone please explain how a blast of warm air from Morocco into the Arctic can cause the North American continent to plummet into the current deep freeze ?

    Fitz maybe you have a story to help us out here ? :- )

    The Arctic ocean is frozen over..and thick with ice.Surely any warm air from Morocco was rapidly ‘coldened’.

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      theRealUniverse

      Basically….it cant…

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      John PAK

      I read that Beeb article and the Moroccan hot air line struck me as particularly kindergarten. They did leave a link to a Met Office video which is essentially a “Polar Vortex explanation for dummies”.

      If a Stratospheric Warming did bulge downwards and sort of bump the polar jet-stream southwards and steer surface air cells southwards too, it follows that air from somewhere-else would need to fill the polar void. Perhaps what they really meant was that air from further south than normal, ended up in the polar region but I doubt that air from 30ºN “pushed” polar air southwards. That sounds like carts causing horses to gallop to me. (Mind you, I have lots of photos of all sorts of wagons and carts making horses run faster and could devise a computer model to prove it).

      I find Piers Corbyns version of events over at Weatheraction.com more plausible.

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        Kinky Keith

        Hi John,

        One of the things I understand about the stratosphere is that while scientists may attribute it with an elevated temperature there is almost no mass there.

        It’s also a long way from the Earth’s surface.

        KK

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          John PAK

          Good point KK, and I guess the ability of solar out-bursts to add 40ºC to stratospheric air molecules is partly down to the available solar energy being distributed amongst only a few molecules. The stratosphere is mostly space. Never-the-less the stratosphere does affect the troposphere and would appear to bump the polar jets out of their usual pattern.

          Sometimes I think that our map of reality would benefit by dropping terms like “layers” because that implies some sort of distinct differentiation between one height and another. Even in the troposphere if you jump out of a plane at 10,000ft (3km) the air is thin, soft and slippery, offering very little resistance as you plummet at 120mph back to Earth. Pea-sized meteorites hurtle through the stratosphere almost without wind resistance so build up very high velocities and rapidly burn up as oxygen density increases lower down.

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            Kinky Keith

            Thanks, I know almost about Earth’s atmosphere and above apart from the fact that at 14000 ft altitude it’s very cold.

            Looking at one of the graphs linked shows a sudden rise in temperature this year and at that altitude temperature is usually about -30C at pressure of about One third STP.

            KK

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      sophocles

      According to the Warmunists, it can: a warming Stratosphere is supposed to freeze the Troposphere. Look at Skepticalscience.com for how it’s supposed to do this (if you want to take your chances …)

      It may be that someone has (mis)applied the Einstein-Szilard refrigeration principle …

      I can’t comment … yet.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Great article, while not explaining what causes the SSW, it does a great analysis of these events and their impacts

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      Peter Fitzroy

      this was meant to be a reply to el gordo on #13

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        el gordo

        I recommend Judah Cohen, the question should be why is there stratospheric warming over Antarctica?

        https://www.aer.com/science-research/climate-weather/arctic-oscillation/

        Is it a global warming signal?

        The Arctic Oscillation is neutral and the North Atlantic Oscillation is positive, is this the reason Europe isn’t covered in snow and ice in 2019?

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          Peter Fitzroy

          Another interesting article, el gordo. You did throw me with the reference to Antarctica though

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            el gordo

            Thanks, slight brain fade, or perhaps auto correct.

            ‘… what causes the SSW …’

            Could it be a misplaced blocking high pressure?

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              Peter Fitzroy

              Could well be, El Nino, and La Nina also play a role, particularly in pushing the polar jet stream around.

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                el gordo

                In this situation, with a weak El Nino, the main player is blocking high pressure near both Alaska and Greenland.

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                Peter Fitzroy

                reasonable, very reasonable.

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                el gordo

                Watching PBS just now and the professor from Florida said this CAO was caused by global warming.

                In a lot of their interviews they have two guests as counterpoints, but not climate change. Its a disgrace.

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              sophocles

              Check Suspicious0bservers.org daily news. They show the last 24 hrs earth.nullschool.net atmospheric layers towards the end See what you can find.

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        Graeme#4

        While I’ve only read the abstract of the AGU paper that EG referenced, the folks themselves seem to be saying that their observation period is too short so they resorted to a model to backup their claim. Once models were mentioned, I lost interest.

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    Greg in NZ

    Dear Gaia! It’s worserer than Bruce Willis could ever compute (he was a climate scientist once, wasn’t he? Or was it Demi Moore?). Today, 31 Jan –

    http://www.bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/mtwellington.shtml Tasmania’s Kunyani / Mt Wellington: “Snow falling but not settling above 1000 metres.”

    This dreaded man-made polar bear vortex is so YUGE it’s crossed the equator to drop snow on the hills above Hobart (which will burn on a catastrophic 18˚C max.) then – THEN! – this polar-koala-bear-vortex-from-Trump-via-Australia will ‘invade’ southern NZ with warm hot snow on the tops Friday night –

    https://www.metservice.com/maps-radar/rain-forecast/rain-forecast-3-day

    Krazy Klimate Kooks need to learn about ‘weather’ – and develop a sense of humour – it might come in handy one day. Roll on summer…

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    yarpos

    “Was there any climate model that predicted we would get record cold temperatures?”

    If there isnt one, I pretty sure it can be cooked up pretty quickly and back dated and presented as the long lost model that completes the narrative.

    There a comment in The Age yesterday from someone saying this cold was a “sharp dose of reality to Trump and othet climate deniers” They never explained how, so I assume they are just from the AGW causes everything school.

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      Kinky Keith

      Hi Yarpos, good question.

      The story is that Morroco/Sahara desert got overheated, like really really hot man.

      This hot parcel of air then did what all hot gases do: it expanded and rose and accelerated all the way to the North pole.

      It couldn’t quite reach the pole because it encountered the dreaded Polar Vortex which it pushed of centre and part of that Polar Vortex spilled over onto continental USA.

      Who knows what the reason really was.

      Yes, it’s important to understand why, but this shouldn’t allow the authorities to escape blame for any failure to prepare for this cold event.

      It has been sending signals for many years now, was preparation adequate?

      Those signals were the ultimate climate model: measurable and observable reality.

      KK

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        Peter Fitzroy

        this weather event was forecast a month ago, see el gordo’s post @#13. Climate is 30 years, and informs trends, but is not predictive beyond that

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          Mark D.

          Climate is 30 years

          F.O. fitzeroid! Made that up or quoted someone that did.

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            Kinky Keith

            I don’t he will Fade Out as you suggest.

            Maybe he’ll go out with a bang.

            KK

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            Peter Fitzroy

            So what is climate?

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              robert rosicka

              What is climate ?

              Unprecedented!

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                Peter Fitzroy

                I define climate as a rolling average based on a 30 year base. Obviously you, Kinky and Mark have a different definition – I would like to know what it is

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                Kinky Keith

                I would confirm 97 pussent Unprecedented.

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                Greg Cavanagh

                Climate is usually relative to an area. Rockhampton is hot and dry. Mackey is hot and humid. Brisbane is mild with intermittent wet spells. etc.

                Talking about a world climate is simply making a mess of things. You could compare planets, sure. But talking about an average planet temperature on a rocky core planet is just being silly. Perhaps an average temperature is relevant on a Jovian planet, not sure.

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                AndyG55

                The “30 years” meme came about when they knew that they could start at or near the very bottom of the AMO cycle in the mid 1970s.

                You don’t seriously believe that they didn’t KNOW about that 60 year cycle, do you.

                All part of the CON.!!

                Will shortly come back to bite them.

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Of course Greg, each location will have its own climate, I’ve never said otherwise. there are even definitions for microclimates (mostly in biology). What I’m saying is that to measure that climate, you will need at least 30 years of records to take your average from, the 30 year definition is from the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). As you say a world climate definition is not helpful to anyone on the surface of that world.

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                Greg Cavanagh

                And I’m saying that climate is only useful at an area scale. There isn’t really a thing call global climate, at least not on this world. Too cold at the poles and too hot and humid in the middle.

                It’s perhaps useful when comparing us to Venus and Jupiter.

                And when we talk about climate on a global scale you have to include all the ifs, buts, and whens. But as I demonstrated, climate at a local or regional scale needs no caveats.

                So to restate: Climate is more accurately a local thing, than a global thing.

                And now to your other point. Yes 30 years has been adopted in the current debates. I understand before CAGW became a thing that the 30 year figure wasn’t fixed in stone.

                My point is; that a period of time (lets say 30 years) isn’t the definition of a climate, but rather it is the dominant weather pattern at a given location.

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              Kinky Keith

              The bloke in this article isn’t sure what Climate is:

              https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/12/one-of-the-longest-running-climate-prediction-blunders-has-disappeared-from-the-internet/

              Children won’t know what snow is.

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              el gordo

              ‘So what is climate?’

              We know its 30 years, but surely the hiatus should be classified as climate?

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              el gordo

              This is only weather unless I can link it to a quiet sun, which would demonstrably be climate.

              https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/northamerica_geo5_2019029_lrg1.png

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      theRealUniverse

      The so called climate models are random pieces of code that can manipulate data to produce anything THEY want. The code will never be published for fear of THEM being found out by REAL models.

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    Bill In Oz

    The cold has effected the UK as well as the North America.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47027762

    I wonder how big that blast of hot air from Morocco was, that it can also push cold air over the UK & Europe ?

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    Mark M

    It was only 10 years ago when they said ‘global warming would cause less snow’

    BBC, 2008:” It must also be remembered that if global warming kicks in and becomes reality then snow and ice will be confined to the history books (and weather websites).”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire/content/articles/2008/11/27/warm_winters_feature.shtml

    … Now they say ‘the snow and ice is caused by global warming’

    World-renowned climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann explains why the bitter cold and snowy conditions gripping the US are “an example of precisely the sort of extreme winter weather we expect because of [global warming]”

    https://www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/perfect-storm-extreme-winter-weather-bitter-cold-and-climate-change

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      TdeF

      “World-renowned climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann ”

      He failed a PhD in physics, so he went into measuring tree rings. Now he is a “Climate Scientist”.

      There was a day when the only climate scientist was a meteorologist, not a man who measured temperature from tree rings. Of course that was before climate had no connection whatsoever with the weather and meteorologists were told they knew nothing about climate.

      The dictionary has to be changed because Climate: “the weather conditions prevailing in an area in general or over a long period.”

      Now Climate Scientists can be psychologists, mammologists, zoologists even socialists, communists, Al Gore or giant dead ancient kangaroo specialist Tim Flannery. You see Climate Science has nothing to do with the weather and all those years of training in meteorology mean nothing. Not a single Australian Climate Commissioner was a meteorologist or anything like one.

      Freezing conditions are caused by excess heat. Obviously.

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      Greg in NZ

      Mark, more froth from the British Ministry of Truth: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47062129 “Chicago is using fire to melt snow on the railway and keep the trains running” and “Chicago police say people are being robbed at gunpoint of their coats”. Isn’t Chicago Barry Soetoro and Rahm Emmanuel’s old stomping ground? Have they gone soft? Have they gone mad? Can’t handle a little weather, eh, burnin’ an’ lootin’. Anyway, I’m off for another swim…

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    PeterS

    The record cold in the US has already lead to some deaths. Yet the global warming alarmists still want the West and only the West to stop burning fossil fuels like coal to provide a much needed supply of cheap and reliable power. A drastic reduction on the use of say coal by the West would lead to millions of deaths (unless we all switched to nuclear, which the alarmists are against). In any book that spells terrorism on the part of the alarmists.

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    Bill In Oz

    morocco ?
    Ummmmmmm ? What’s the weather like in Morocco where all that hot air in the arctic, came from ?

    Bloody freezing folks for quite a while..cold with snow forecast !
    https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2018/01/239268/temperatures-morocco-drop-10-c-weather/

    So what to mske of this warm air from Morocco stuff ?

    just more Greenist nonsense !

    Case dismissed !

    You silly buggers will have to think of something else to explain the super freeze in the USA.

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    TdeF

    By John Nolte on Breitbart..

    “There are three Party slogans in George Orwell’s 1984, his masterpiece about an all-controlling centralized government that runs on lies, terror, and propaganda. See if you can pick out which Party slogan I invented among the four:

    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
    Frigid Weather Means Our Planet is Getting Warmer”

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      TdeF

      Nolte goes on..

      “You see, last year our Climate Hucksters told us a run of warm weather proved the planet is warming, which means we all have to give up our freedoms to a centralized government in order to save the planet. BUT… a run of frigid weather this year also proves the planet is warming and we all have to give up our freedoms to a centralized government in order to save the planet.”

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        Another Ian

        To borrow from a local story

        “SO

        “we all have to give up our freedoms to a centralized government in order to save the planet.”

        the main thing eh TdeF?”

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          Mark D.

          Of course then all the science will show how the planet was saved just in the nick of time….

          About 97% better wake up soon.

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    RickWill

    Who will be the first climate modeller to determine that the CO2 ECS is negative!

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    theRealUniverse

    NZ better hurry up and fight the insanity,
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/110114994/this-moment-will-not-come-again–councils-8bn-climate-change-warning
    Purely INSANE to many magnitudes. Can we call the mental health rescue unit? (for the NZ Gov)
    (Except for Westland!!)

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    MrGrimNasty

    Despite the vast outbreaks of cold over NA and Eurasia this winter, the Arctic area has not shown the ‘warm’ spikes seen in recent years, and this January (DMI 80N)has been persistently colder than recent years and almost on the long term average (1958-2002). It sniffs a bit like a regime shift, we may well be over the hill as far as global warming and the ‘melting’ Arctic go.

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    robert rosicka

    OT but just listening to ABC doing a story on the Queensland floods , the reporter said it was unusual to get rain this time of the year during the wet season ?

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    Amadeus

    The global warming/carbon gas-bagging cohort are on track to equal religions as the natural home of deranged zealots.

    The Victorian mafia (posing as a Labor government) is pushing ahead with its loony focus on the evils of carbon and how the world is going to melt, I came across this website this morning https://pledge.take2.vic.gov.au

    The contemporary Bill Graham crusader, a.k.a. Dan Andrews, needs you to commit to his insane and irrational fears (ticks all the “religion” boxes) – all you need to do is take the “PLEDGE”. Press the button on the website above and, voila, you are saved and you’ll save Australia, the world and whatever.

    Just like religion and other scams, pseudo-science pulls in the suckers who will “feel good” about having made that “Pledge”

    Alleluia, we’re saved….!!!!

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    pat

    the only news bulletin I heard last nite that mentioned the Big Freeze in the US was on BBC. it was the final item in the bulletin and said something like flights are cancelled, schools are closed, as Americans prepare for a Big Chill! that was it.

    BBC likes “big chill”:

    22 Jan: BBC: Italian runner braves Siberia big chill
    A policeman from Italy has run a race in one of the world’s coldest permanently-inhabited places, braving temperatures of -52 Celsius…
    Paolo Venturini’s achievement may have captured the headlines around the world, but another runner from Moldova actually set a new local record by running further and in even more daunting conditions along the same route a few days earlier…

    Dmitry Voloshin ran 50km (31 miles) at temperatures getting down to -60 Celsius, or -67 with the wind-chill factor, according to the news service of Siberia’s Sakha Republic…
    Mr Voloshin, an experienced runner who was raising money for his Unfrozen cerebral palsy charity back home, told Ria Novosti that it was “the toughest experience of my sporting career”.
    He noted in particular how hard it was to breathe: “It was like stepping out into the cosmos.”
    The head of Tomtor council, Yekaterina Vinokurova, told RIA that Mr Voloshin had “set a record by covering the distance in six hours in ultra-low temperatures”…
    Reporting by Jen Monaghan and Martin Morgan
    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-46958385

    a better headline, BBC?

    15 Jan: TASS: Frigid marathon: Runner covers 50 km distance in Siberia at minus 60 degrees Celsius
    “On January 14, Dmitry Voloshin, an extreme athlete from Moldova, took part in a charity race in the world’s coldest place, the Oymyakonsky Ulus (district) of Yakutia, where temperatures sometimes plummet to minus 71 degrees Celsius (minus 95.8 degrees Fahrenheit). Dmitry covered a 50 km distance at minus 60 degrees Celsius. According to weather reports, it felt like minus 67 degrees Celsius (minus 88.6 degrees Fahrenheit),” the statement reads.

    It took Voloshin six hours to cover the distance. “It was the hardest test of my career. It is like a spacewalk: it is freezing cold and there isn’t enough air. No equipment can protect you from such a deep freeze. I hope my face didn’t get frostbitten while running. Breathing was difficult, as there is very little oxygen in the air and my mask got filled with ice. This is where my free diving experience came in handy – I am used to holding my breath,” the athlete said, as cited in the statement.
    The main goal of the charity project, which involved the running event, was to draw the public’s attention to the issue of childhood cerebral palsy and the need to provide assistance to children suffering from the disease
    http://tass.com/society/1040019

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      Serp

      “Breathing was difficult, as there is very little oxygen in the air…” he said. No, it was the usual nineteen percent. The perception is to do with the lungs’ performance in perfusing low temperature air. Rule of thumb in chemistry classes was that reaction rate is halved for each ten degrees temperature fall. It’s anybody’s guess what temperature the air was when it hit his lung surfaces but the haemoglobin reaction would have been slowed accordingly.

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    FROM 14MIN 05SEC TO 19MIN: BBC’S TIM FRANKS: IT REALLY IS JOLLY COLD ACROSS THE MIDWEST OF THE US TODAY. POLAR VORTEX. JUDAH COHEN, CLIMATOLOGIST, MIT & NATALIE MOORE FROM WBEZ (NPR) IN CHICAGO.
    BBC FRANKS TO COHEN: NEXT QUESTION INEVITABLY IS HOW FAR THIS CAN BE LINKED WITH CERTAINTY TO THE PHENOMENON OF CLIMATE CHANGE, BECAUSE YOU HAD THE PRESIDENT TWEETING BLAH BLAH “GLOBAL WAMING” – I PRESUME HE MEANT “WARMING” (SNEER)…

    FROM 49MIN 10SEC TO END:
    TIM FRANKS: WE TALKED ABOUT “CLIMATE CHANGE” EARLIER WITH THE POLAR VORTEX GRIPPING THE MIDWEST OF THE US. MALI SUFFERS FAR MORE CHRONICALLY FROM CLIMATE CHANGE, WITH LONGER AND MORE INTENSE DROUGHTS AND FLOODS WHICH WREAK HAVOC.
    LYSE DOUCET REPORTS. HERDERS VS FARMERS.
    DOUCET ENDS WITH: MALI NEEDS PEACE TO GIVE SPACE & TIME TO DEAL WITH ALL THE CRISES IT CONFRONTS, AS CLIMATE CHANGE CHANGES EVERYTHING.

    AUDIO: 30 Jan: BBC Newshour: PRESENTER: TIM FRANKS
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w172w25m41vy49g

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      TdeF

      “LINKED WITH CERTAINTY TO .. CLIMATE CHANGE”

      Even the BBC are asking for science, not waffle implying cold is another consequence of hot.

      Still, actors in Hollywood and comedians and late show hosts and singers like Cher and Striesand can see it and they are all leading authorities on everything from immigration to meteorology to politics. After all, they can pretend to be anyone they like.

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    Once North America had its legendary big freezes and blizzards: 1835, 1857,1859, 1888, 1899, 1912, 1936…but they just happened. You know. It was all just…stuff. Stuff that happened.

    Now North America has “events” which look just like the legendary big freezes and blizzards of past centuries. But don’t be fooled. These events don’t just happen like the old…stuff. They have causes. Can you imagine that? Something is actually causing them. (Can you guess what? Answer correctly and you could get a cornflake packet PhD and a media career anywhere except Buzzfeed.)

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      Weather has its ’causes’ though hard to define given all those interactive couplings of the non linear, chaotic atmospheric system to the non-linear chaotic ocean system… But cli-sc- ‘events’ well, THEY have easily identifiable causes and they are US, and send money to assuage fear’n guilt and pay for more findings by us cli-sci-modellers whiling away the tenured hours in cloudy towers and of course,money for those necessary guvuhmint RET taxes.

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      Bill In Oz

      Just like here in SA, Victoria, NSW & Qld, we used to have have HEATWAVES.

      And by heatwaves I mean hot days above 35degrees ( 95 + F ) that lasted. 2 weeks not 2 days…

      But not a 2 day heatwave is ‘evidence’ of Global warming..Just like in the USA a 2-3 week dep freeze is ‘evidence’ of global warming.

      Utter baloney by dopey Greenists !

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    pat

    CNN downplays(?) the bigger picture by focusing on the squall! lol.

    30 Jan: CNN: Snow squalls bring near-whiteout conditions to Northeast
    By Faith Karimi and Steve Almasy; CNN’s Eliott C. McLaughlin, Andrea Diaz, Marlena Baldacci, Dave Hennen, Joe Sutton and Dave Alsup contributed to this report
    In a matter of minutes, visibility for people brave enough to go out onto streets in the Northeast deteriorated quickly Wednesday as whipping winds brought snow squalls.
    One moment people could see down the block, and the next, they could barely see their own hands. Minutes later, it was clear again.
    The squalls ripped through the Northeast, bringing brief near-whiteout conditions to New York, Philadelphia and other cities. They are part of an Arctic plunge hammering the northern part of the contiguous United States, causing the deaths of at least nine people…

    A 26-vehicle accident on Route 222 in Pennsylvania came after visibility deteriorated rapidly, officials said. Seven people were sent to a hospital…
    A motorist who was caught in the squall said, “The roads seemed OK but the snow started and the visibility went to impossible quickly.”…
    Airports will likely be impacted as the band pushes through, meteorologists said. LaGuardia Airport had a ground stoppage, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.
    The weather service also issued squall warnings for parts of Connecticut, Maine and Vermont. A squall is a sudden increase of wind speed by at least 18 mph…

    Deaths linked to brutal weather
    As millions grapple with the frigid temperatures, at least nine deaths have been linked to the extreme weather this week.
    Officials in Iowa said there have been four deaths there this week, including the discovery of a University of Iowa student on Wednesday.
    The man, a sophomore, was found unresponsive about 3 a.m. CT behind a campus recreational facility. According to the National Weather Service, the temperature in Iowa City at that time was about 21 below zero and it had been below zero all day.
    There also have been storm-related deaths reported in Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana and Wisconsin, authorities said…

    It’s only getting chillier. Meteorologists predict at least 40 record lows will be set in the Midwest and Northeast after sundown, including in New York and Washington, which are expecting single-digit temperatures.
    With at least five deaths linked to the extreme conditions this week, authorities are urging people to bundle up, stay inside and check up on the elderly and vulnerable in what experts are describing as “the coldest air in a generation.”…

    There is already 11 inches of snow in part of western New York, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo said that forecasters were predicting totals of 24 inches by the time it stops falling. Rochester had about 8 inches, he said, and Syracuse had 9.
    Upstate is the concern, the governor said, explaining the polar vortex will prove more complicated than other storms. Snow plows are already being transported from New York City and Long Island to northern parts of the state.
    In Buffalo, officials have more than 50 plows ready to handle the snowfall, and they’ve laid more than 800 tons of salt on roads…

    Chicago will be below zero for days
    While most of the Midwest will see frigid temperatures, Chicago will be “the epicenter of the extreme cold,” CNN meteorologist Dave Hennen said.
    Chicago could reach a record low temperature of 27 below zero by Thursday morning. Its daytime high Wednesday was forecast to be 15 below zero. Officials there are setting railroad tracks on fire because the extreme cold can cause defects…
    It’ll be so cold, Chicago-area residents would be better off warming up in parts of Antarctica…
    Forecasts predict a low of negative 27, the lowest temperature on record in Chicago, and 35 to 40 below zero in northern Illinois, where the record is negative 36, set in 1999…

    More than 3,300 flights involving US airports were canceled Tuesday and Wednesday, including more than 2,000 in and out of Chicago airports, according to FlightAware.com.
    Amtrak canceled all service to and from Chicago on Wednesday due to weather, including short-distance trains and long-distance overnight trains…

    In Minnesota, blustery weather brought rare wind chills of negative 60. In Ponsford, the wind chill was negative 66, CNN meteorologist Michael Guy said…
    Hennen described it as the “coldest air in a generation.” Temperatures will plunge to 20-40 degrees below zero between Tuesday and Thursday in the Upper Midwest, Hennen said.
    In northern Minnesota, wind chills were forecast to drop to 65-70 degrees below zero, which would rival the coldest wind chill ever recorded in the state (71 below) in 1982…

    The National Weather Service forecast dangerous wind chills of negative 45 degrees for Des Moines (Iowa), minus 57 for Waterloo and negative 60 for Mason City into Wednesday night.
    “This is the coldest air many of us will have ever experienced,” it tweeted…

    North Dakota residents told to avoid roads
    The wind chill at Grand Forks International Airport was 61 degrees below zero, the National Weather Service said. Extreme cold will continue through Thursday, with wind chills down into the negative 60s, according to the National Weather Service…

    State offices closed in Michigan
    All state offices will be closed Wednesday and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has declared a state of emergency.
    “Such widespread, extreme conditions have not occurred in Michigan for many years. It’s imperative that we are proactive with record-low temperatures being predicted by the National Weather Service,” she said.
    “Wind chills are predicted as low as 50 degrees below zero in many places, such as metro Detroit which is especially unaccustomed to these temps.”…
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/30/weather/winter-weather-wednesday-wxc/index.html

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      TdeF

      You have to wonder how all this massive cooling with a change in average world temperatures caused by CO2 and reckoned to be +0.5C in over the last 50 years. Clearly the temperature is incredibly sensitive to tiny changes in the average? Or is someone making all this up?

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        TdeF

        In fact all weather which is not average is due to Climate Change. Of course.

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        tom0mason

        TdeF
        Yep, but probably not so much global temperatures (yet! IMO maybe more so when next year’s cold winter weather hits more of the NH — the timing would be about right for a majorly cold event), though it should impact USA temperature figures.
        This freezing weather arrives where lots of weather stations are. If the USA figures get ‘adjusted’ to remove or play down this event, then most people in the USA will smell a rat.

        Now how do the USA population feel about the many UN-IPCC mouthpieces that said ‘winters would get warmer and wetter’?

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          TdeF

          I am also puzzled at the knee jerk reaction. The cold weather must be Climate Change. Couldn’t they say ‘natural variation’? This desire to own every extreme event as proof of climate change is being sorely tested as it is seen as illogical by just about everyone. Bushfires are not Climate Change. Nor floods. Nor Tropical Storms. They are events and surely some are natural, but the Climate Change brigade wants to own everything.

          Now they are paying the price for claiming everything is Climate Change, against all reason, fact and history. Clearly they are just talking about the weather.

          Even the famous put down that non climate scientists confuse the climate with the weather, who is doing that? This storm is the weather, not the climate.

          Claiming all massively cold weather as proof of a 0.5C change is close to unhinged and leaves them all open to ridicule, but then so does all of Climate Science by non scientists. Perhaps Cher could be chief climate scientist and also head of the Russian collusion investigation? Barbara Streisand could be put in charge of defending the borders of the United States? Leonardo di Caprio could look after the ebola breakout in the Congo and as king of Jerusalem, Christian Bale could sort out the Middle East.

          It’s all too silly to be real, Hollywood Climate Change.

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    Jen

    I need to go now and put the kettle on to make some nice icey cold water before I lose power again.

    I’m in Sydney and my area has lost power 4 (yes FOUR) times in the last 6 weeks. Anybody recommend a good cheap generator?

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    Mark D.

    Last night the difference in temperature between inside my house and outside was 108 degrees F.

    Between human body temp and outside was 130 degrees F.

    The people that migrated here in numbers in the late 1800′s needed coal and wood to live. Today it is natural gas and heating oil. Electricity is used but even at our lower costs is not competitive with gas and oil. I have wood to burn but the EPA wants to regulate my burning.

    Lately, my leftist friends proclaim “coal is past it’s prime”. I get pissed with them and remind them about staying warm. That usually shuts them up. Doesn’t change their minds probably because they are Leftist. But maybe it causes them to think.

    This cold snap (polar bulltex) is a good way to remind them how important it is to stay warm.

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      TdeF

      Melbourne used to run on Newcastle coal. The coal was unloaded at the Lagoon pier in Port Melbourne for the local gasworks. Gas was everywhere as the lighting, the power source. Those marble fireplaces with steel inserts were used for burning coal, not wood. Coal was discovered near Geelong but the discovery of vast amounts of brown coal in the Yallourn valley changed everything and electricity meant any smoke could be kept a long way from Melbourne.

      It is amazing how only a few years of Climate Change has destroyed what took a century to build. And how thoughtless, uncaring and greedy governments have become while the unions, shrinking to nothing are fighting to get control of everyone’s savings. Because they can.

      Can we have our country back please? And our wonderful, efficient, clean and eternal and adequate coal power stations? Or are elite bankers here and overseas conspiring to turn Australia quickly into another Venezuela, a mendicant state, a holiday resort and a free open cut mine? Currently we even have to import our own gas from Singapore because of the cost of the maritime union. It is just getting worse.

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    tom0mason

    The idea of the warm Arctic making the US freeze should not be a surprise, after all the UN-IPCC preferred models give results that says CO2 drives the climate through it’s high warming potential on global temperatures. So all this modeled CO2 mediated warming pushes (modeled) global humidity up, causing the polar vortex to bend and snow to fall on the USA. Or something modeled like that.

    The UN-IPCC also say that CO2 and global temperatures were in equilibrium around 1750. And that’s their optimum level of atmospheric CO2 (about 280ppmv) they wish all of us to try and achieve. But the basics of the UN-IPCC ideas is that CO2 drives the climate, the implication is they wish us all to be in the climate of 1750, the climate of the Little Ice Age (LIA)
    So surely that is what parts of the USA are feeling now.
    ¯
    Of course back in 1700s the Arctic and Antarctic ice had expanded but so too had the deserts. Droughts too were common as was periods of extreme rainfall. All in all the biosphere had a very tough time with very low CO2 causing plants to grow weak and slow, and everything having to cope with an overall cold climate with vicious weather extremes.
    ¯
    So is it rational to try for atmospheric CO2 to be similar to the 1750 levels? Is that truly what we should be aiming for?
    Or maybe the UN-IPCC is really aiming for that to happen while the global flock of sheeple are distracted by overpriced electricity charges, and the next potential global disease epidemic.
    ¯
    The North and Mid-USA states are now feeling what the climate of the LIA could have been like, do we really wish to be ill-prepared for the probable return of LIA conditions? Is it really believable that the world is warming up, or that the UN-IPCC climate models are in any way accurate?

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      Rah

      Up until three weeks ago the US and European weather models were showing warmer than average temps for the Midwest and Eastern US for this period. Can’t forecast weather accurately a month out but we’re to believe climate models can years out?

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      AndyG55

      “The idea of the warm Arctic making the US freeze should not be a surprise”

      Except the Arctic is not warm

      http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

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        tom0mason

        Ah Andy55, maybe I should have marked it with a large /sarc tag, I thought it was obvious enough.

        P.S.
        Elsewhere I’ve commented that SebH it paid to comment (4 times now) and it has not been questioned. Hummm??

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    Rah

    Currently in Romulus, MI. waiting for others to do their jobs so I can do mine and take a load to Ajax, Ontario. It’s 22:23 EST. Despite the engine heat from the truck idling and Detriot UHI truck thermometer reads -17 F.

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      robert rosicka

      You guys must block off the front of the radiator surely?

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        Rah

        Nope. Not authorized. When the pollution control system kicks into it’s super heat mode to burn the ash out of the ceramic filter such a blockage can supposedly cause damage.

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          robert rosicka

          Ahh yes pollution control , I’m lucky mine is old enough to have almost none of that so on really cold winter trips I put a strong thin bit of plastic in front of the radiator .

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    OriginalSteve

    Not sure if he gets The Big Lie or not, but its entertaining reading …..

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-31/dutch-historian-rutger-bregman-goes-viral-after-davos-tax-speech/10766504

    “A Dutch historian has gone viral on social media after accusing the wealthy attendees of the World Economic Forum of hypocrisy, and arguing they should be taxed more.

    Key points:

    The World Economic Forum was held at Davos last week
    Historian Rutger Bregman was speaking on TIME’s panel on inequality
    He said industry had to “stop talking about philanthropy and start talking about taxes”

    “The forum, held in Davos, Switzerland, is attended by world leaders and heads of business, who come together annually to discuss ways to improve global economic security.

    “Historian Rutger Bregman was speaking on a panel about taxes, and questioned billionaire attendees’ use of fuel-guzzling private jets to come to a conference with a strong focus on tackling climate change.

    “This is my first time at Davos and I find it quite a bewildering experience to be honest,” he said.
    “I mean, 1,500 private jets flown in to hear David Attenborough speak about how we’re wrecking the planet.
    “I hear people talking the language of participation and justice and equality and transparency.

    “But then almost no-one raises the real issue of tax avoidance, right, and of the rich just not paying their fair share.

    “It feels like I’m at a firefighters’ conference and no-one’s allowed to speak about water.”

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    Rah

    Fact is the dreaded “polar vortex” is more likely to come south during times of decreasing or low solar activity. I suspect we’re in for more of this kind of thing this winter and next and thus will be bombarded with more alarmist denialism

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    pat

    29 Jan: Popular Mechanics: This Man Is Riding a Motorcycle Across Siberia to the Coldest Inhabited Place on Earth. But Why?
    An interview with Karolis Mieliauskas about his daring trek across a frozen landscape.
    By Sam Blum
    Q: What’s the lowest temperature you’re expecting?

    A: Around this time, when I start, I think the temperature will be around minus 40 degrees. And locals say that in Oymyakon it should be around minus 60. If I would be interested in milder temperatures, I could choose a different time of year. I don’t go in the beginning of January, because it might be too intense, and I don’t go in March, because I think the temperature might be like minus 25 or 30.
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/motorcycles/a26065674/motorcycle-across-siberia-karolis-mieliauskas/

    video below is fun:

    Facebook: Karolis Mieliauskas The Coldest Ride
    12h ago – What clothes you will wear, people ask me. Have a look at some of it. Will it be enough? Life will show:)
    VIDEO 1min13sec
    https://www.facebook.com/thecoldestride/

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      pat

      Karolis might be lucky it’s not forecast to be too cold in Oymyakon:

      27 Jan: Weather Channel: Midwest Cities Will be Colder Than Antarctica, Alaska, But There’s a Reason For That
      By Chris Dolce
      The Midwest cold may not measure up to one the most frigid places in the Northern Hemisphere. Eastern Siberia is tough to beat out since wintertime lows in the minus 60s are typical.
      The coldest permanently inhabited town on Earth, Oymyakon, Russia, is forecast to have highs in the minus 30s and lows in the minus 40s this week…
      It’s not out of the question that a few spots in typically cold northern Minnesota may flirt with lows in the 40s below zero Thursday morning. That would come close to Oymyakon’s forecast low in the low to middle 40s below zero.
      https://weather.com/forecast/regional/news/2019-01-28-midwest-extreme-cold-compared-to-alaska-antarctica

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    pat

    29 Jan: Guardian: Dutch man’s epic 89,000km drive proves electric cars are viable in Australia
    By driving such extreme distances, Wiebe Wakker hopes to bust Australian anxieties about electric vehicles
    by Naaman Zhou
    A Dutch man who has driven 89,000km from Amsterdam to Adelaide in a small electric car says he is proving to Australians that electric vehicles are a viable alternative.
    Since March 2016, adventurer Wiebe Wakker has driven across 33 countries from Europe to the Middle East to south-east Asia and finally to Australia in a 2009 Volkswagen Golf, converted to electric…

    Over the past seven months he has continued the journey around Australia from Darwin down to Perth, across the Nullarbor to Newcastle, up to Queensland, and back down to Adelaide. After Adelaide, Wakker will finish once he reaches Melbourne and then Sydney…
    “My car is from 2009 and it has a limited range of 200km. Most cars that are available on the market now do 300km to 500km, so if you buy a current car in Australia you won’t have this problem. You can cover the whole country.”
    Wakker’s car, which he calls “Blue Bandit”, is a first-generation electric car that can be charged on domestic power sockets. “When I started this journey I thought I would mainly charge at people’s homes and whenever I get a charging station that will be a bonus,” he said. He said those with newer electric cars would find the journey even easier.

    Despite his positive experience, Wakker said he found the journey between Glendambo to Coober Pedy in South Australia a challenge in his 2009 car.
    “It was 255km – I knew I wasn’t going to make it,” he said. “So I checked on my app to see how the wind was going, I saw that 12 hours later I would have a tailwind. I waited and drove very slow to save energy – 60km. I did 235km, which was my record. Just 20km from Coober Pedy I ran out, I put on a lot of sunscreen and waited for someone who could give me a tow. Someone came by within 10 minutes and said yes.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/29/dutch-mans-epic-89000km-drive-proves-electric-cars-are-viable-in-australia

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      Serp

      What a joke. A battery car is viable in Australia so long as there’s people willing to give you a tow. Ever reliable Guardian bunkum.

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        robert rosicka

        The Australian senate was sitting last night to do an enquiry into electric vehicles and guess what they love them .

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      robert rosicka

      Try taking the Tanami track or the Plenty Highway or the Cobb Highway or the Gibb river road etc etc , ok for city greens but no use anywhere else in oz .

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      robert rosicka

      I’ll help anyone I come across broken down but not from idiocy.

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    Reed Coray

    The global warming community bemoans the fact that they can’t seem to get their message across to the general public. They believe that their ability to communicate, not the real world, is the problem; and that if they only had better communication skills, all would be well. I want to help. First cease inventing a new name for a crisis as the old name reaches is “use by” date. Second, quit telling people (especially people who are struggling to stay warm) that “global warming is causing cooling.” If you can’t see how the latter statement hurts your case, then you need more than better communication skills; you need a dose of common sense. You’d be much better off keeping your collective mouth shut. There, I’ve done my part. You can send me money via Jo’s blog.

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    Earl

    Now there is a viable form of transport. (Sarc)
    Just what you need to tow the caravan from Melbourne to Perth. Was the car that gave him a tow into town electric or internal combustion. Another “green winner”. I have trouble believing someone so stupid was actually able to drive a car.

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    Pat in Vt

    In Vermont, USA , we had some periods of cold that we deeper and lasted longer than this current Big Chill . In the late 70′s or early 80′s , it was so cold the mercury thermometers bottomed out . That was something south of -40 c and f . Here is a link referring to some of the cold around here : https://www.weather.gov/media/btv/climo/extremes/extremetemps.pdf

    Thanks. I enjoy your site . A friend on Free Republic pointed you out to me a few years ago .

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    RoHa

    ” Best wishes to our US friends.”

    Our Canadian friends can freeze. We don’t even notice them.

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    As a precursor to my comment, I assert that I am a serious sceptic of the CAGW hypothesis. Nevertheless, sometime (IMHO) those sharing my view give a (scientific) argument that I doubt is at all certain. Also please note that I have not read every one of the 222 or so preceding comments.

    Jo Nova writes: “Was there any climate model that predicted we would get record cold temperatures?”

    TdeF writes at January 31, 2019 at 4:22am: “Telling people cold is hot does sound quite mad.” And again TdeF writes: “I am seriously puzzled. Has anyone actually explained how warming makes things colder? I mean an actual explanation, apart from the usual nonsense that warming somehow makes things more extreme, even the cold bits.” And TdeF comments more later, along similar lines.

    I find that the climate is a complicated oscillatory and otherwise dynamical system, involving: cyclical excitation on daily, lunar month, annual and other bases; storage and movement of thermal energy between and within each of air mass, water mass, ground mass near the surface and (mostly) storage WRT water latent heat of fusion and storage and movement with water latent heat of evaporation.

    Adding to the totality of energy in the ecosystem will (almost certainly) make greater these oscillations, movements and storage changes. This is on the knowledge that reducing the totality of energy will (at absolute zero) stop pretty much everything dynamical. And below extremely high temperatures that no one is talking about (ie most water and much other stuff has evaporated), we have very little reason to expect the curve of dynamism level versus total ecosystem energy to be anything but monotonically rising.

    Now consider a rise in the total energy in the ecosphere; this from any reason, not just or necessarily a greenhouse gas effect; it could be increased solar irradiance, etc.

    In most circumstances, the average temperature of the ecosphere (over time and location) will increase. This is likely, over a long enough averaging period (and all locations), to cause the average temperature of each of air, oceans and land surface to all individually increase; also there will most likely be (again on average) somewhat less ice caps and somewhat more evaporated water.

    In parallel with this, the greater amount of total energy (in the ecosphere) is almost certain to increase modestly the amplitudes of various oscillations and other dynamical effects. This is likely to occasionally somewhat change the extremities of total energy density (in location and time).

    A. Thus longterm increase in total energy in the ecosphere is likely to increase the average temperature.

    B. Also longterm increase in total energy in the ecosphere is likely to cause the amplitude extremes (both hot and cold) to become greater.

    C. There is no particular reason to believe, if there is an increase in the total energy in the ecosphere, that any new (localised short-term) negative peak in the temperature will not be more negative (compared to any previous observation(s) of ‘extreme’ cold) than arises fairly from an associated average temperature increase A – so more extreme than previously seen.

    D. However, very occasional observations of extremes of hot or cold in any location at any time do not really tell us anything at all (or at all certain or reliable) about the total energy in the ecosphere. Each individual event is just as likely (maybe even much more likely) to be like a short-term noise level trough (or peak) in some sound, say from scratching a rough surface.

    The trouble with some CAGW enthusiasts is that they think ignoring the logic of D is as good as using the logic of B and C. And most of them forget that both A and B will occur together if there is an increase in total energy in the ecosphere.

    The trouble with some anti-CAGW enthusiasts (IMHO) is that they think B is not true, when (again IMHO) it is. Or they think C is not true, when it is.

    Best regards

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      Kinky Keith

      Interesting and well thought out Nigel.

      Your comments about TdeF and Jo though are perhaps a bit premature in that they may need the benefit of context.

      TdeF’s comments, I suspect, are referencing the silly concept that “hot air” or Global Warming is able to initiate a cold strike into the heart of North America.
      Maybe he was poking fun at the politics involved in sustaining the man made global warming scam.

      Maybe it would help to go back a bit and check out his other comments.

      Jo’s comment about so called climate models:
      well climate models don’t do anything unless someone tells them to do it.
      Sounds like Jo was putting out some ridicule to something that invites it.

      Just a small comment on your items A,B, C and D.

      They are either things within this type of system that are intuitively obvious or in the case of D something to be aware of when assessing the system.

      Personally I think that the best measure of an Average World Temperature is not given by thermometers or their digital equivalent, but by relative sea levels.

      Sea levels are an ideal indirect measure of the amount of water frozen on polar ice caps and held in glaciers.

      Sea levels have fallen by six metres or so in the last 7,000 years and in recent times have been relatively stable.

      Falling sea levels indicate ice is being accumulated and this goes with lower temperatures.

      The main issue is not so much the “weather” as the claim that human origin CO2 can affect temperature change in the atmosphere. Scientific nonsense, but I digress.

      All the best.

      Keith

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        Environment Skeptic

        Millions of models of all kinds have to endure wearing all kinds of data and numerous other outward appearances.
        They are just doing their job. They just wear it. Oftentimes with little reward or recognition.

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          Environment Skeptic

          One thing is certain, and that is that there will always be work for models. The cold climate models seems to be doing well recently….

          Valentina Zharkova said if she is right we will know shortly.

          Interesting to see how the US mega cold event resolves. I forget which Almanac predicted the coldest ever winter.

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      Robert Swan

      Nigel Sedgwick:

      What convinces you that your item B is necessarily true? I can see many plausible results of added energy, and wouldn’t like to guess which applies to the world. Here are a few possibilities:

      1. Temperature just goes up uniformly (e.g. heating a lump of steel in an oven
      2. High temperatures go up more, low temperatures go up less (e.g. combustion chamber temperatures in a car engine when more fuel is introduced)
      3. High temperatures go up, low temperatures go down (e.g. an air conditioner/heat-exchanger: evaporator colder, condenser hotter)

      While I agree with what you say in item D — that extremes don’t tell us very much about the net changes to energy — it seems to me you have your priorities back to front. What people care about is the extremes. Nobody gets killed by average weather.

      Does it not strike you as strange — unscientific, even — that all the modelling of AGW is of averages, but all the marketing is of extremes?

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        Kinky Keith

        Good points Robert.

        Essentially nothing much was said really.

        I took part of the comment to mean that if you add more heat or energy to a system, then it will be more agitated. An example may be of a pot of water brought to the boil.

        At low heat input it will bubble over gently. Add more energy and the bubble/extreme behaviour will be larger.

        These things are basically irrelevant to the question of whether CO2 causes global warming.

        It was good for what it did, lay out a very solid general guide for the analysis of a complex system.

        KK

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          Robert Swan

          KK:

          Yes, to be sure, extra energy can lead to greater variability. This would usually be because the new energy is not evenly distributed; things need to move around to chase a new equilibrium. Even if CO2 does cause warming, it’d be hard to think of a more uniform way of distributing the supposed extra energy — it’s just meant to be holding back a little more of the sun’s energy everywhere. Doesn’t seem much of a rationale for an increase in the system’s disorder.

          I know I say it a lot, but it would be nice to have a coherent explanation from the people who are always rabbiting on that climate change is just “basic physics”.

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            Kinky Keith

            Definitely. If they, the scientists, knew the magic mechanism by which CO2 “heated the planet” they would have told us.

            CO2 is an irrelevance to the thermodynamics of the lower biosphere.

            KK

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      Mark D.

      Nigel, please consider: We are told that the poles are where the bulk of warming is concentrated. In fact satellite data do seem to support this. The overall effect would be to squelch extremes of weather because the contrast in temperatures (pole to equator) are diminished wouldn’t it?

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    Philip of Taos

    I think we found the missing Arctic Ice, it escaped to the Midwestern U.S.

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    ATheoK

    “Deadly cold weather has brought what meteorologists call a “once-in-a-generation” deep freeze to the US.
    The extreme Arctic blasts, caused by a spinning pool of cold air known as the polar vortex, could bring wind chill temperatures as low as -53C (-64F).”

    “once-in-a-generation”, Oh My!
    “could bring wind chill temperatures as low as -53C (-64F)”, Oh No!

    Utter codswallop.
    “Wind chill temperatures”, are a melding of wind speed and temperature. The faster the wind, the lower the ‘felt’ temperature; 40°F temperatures feel like 20°F in a twenty mph wind.
    https://www.weather.gov/images/safety/windchill21.gif

    Our United States Department of Agriculture maintains a ‘plant hardiness chart’.
    A chart that tracks typical average low temperatures that can be expected over a thirty year span.
    https://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/

    All of the areas the BBC claims are going to experience “once-in-a-generation” deep freeze temperatures can achieve those low temperatures every year during that alleged generation.

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