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ABC Climate fiction: Life at 0.5 degrees hotter, dead plants, animals, ghost towns, jellyfish hell

The job of ABC environment reporters is not to serve the public and ask scientists hard questions about whether we can rely on their climate models that fail 98% of the time and on every scale in time and locality.

Instead their job is to be fiction writers, converting failing models into vomiting babies:

Under IPCC forecasts babies born today will be 22 when warming hits 1.5C. What will life be like?

By environment reporter Nick Kilvert

Meet Casey X. She was born in Alice Springs Hospital on October 13, 2018.

She came into the world screaming, before projectile-vomiting over the hospital floor and falling asleep.

For this the ABC gets $3 million dollars every day.

We are talking about a half degree Celsius of warming spread over 22 years. This is double the decadal rate currently shown by satellites. But even if we assume that climate models are right for the first time ever, and this dramatic change in trends occurs, it’s still only half a degree more in a world where humans live from minus 50C to plus 40C and every day temperatures vary by 10 – 20 degrees.

Alice Springs 2040, unlivable hell, with no plants, animals and less people

Today — October 13, 2040 — she’s 22, and still lives in Alice Springs. But she’s been thinking more and more about leaving.

Extreme hot days in Alice Springs hit 48 degrees Celsius — nearly 3C hotter than on her first birthday. And heatwaves last much longer.

Keeping things alive in the garden at these temperatures is next to impossible. Plants are pushed beyond their thresholds and die from heat shock. The animals that eat them go soon after.

Death to kangaroos, cows and camels then? Or maybe the native saltbush and scrub will do just fine like it always has, even when Alice was hotter than now 7,000 years ago for hundreds of unending relentless years during the Holocene Optimum.

Is Nick Kilvert talking about animals that eat lettuce and roses in back yards (humans, puppies, feral rabbits?). Or did he just segue from gardens to all plants, to all animals? Ahh details. Who needs em.

Ghost towns coming:

When she flicks over to the weather from reruns of Spicks and Specks, there’s fewer regional towns on the map than she remembers.

Reef turns to algae and deadly jellies rampant

Moving to Darwin is out of the question. So is north Queensland. It’s too hot and there’s no jobs in hospitality. Tourism is suffering along with the reef.

Most of the reef is dead or dying in the north. Some of the hardier coral species have survived, but the diversity and colour are gone and no-one wants to snorkel in algae.

There’s still some OK patches of reef further south, but if warming goes up to 2C, scientists say it’s all going to go.

To escape the heat, moving to south-east Queensland seems like her best option.

It’s a choice between the Gold and Sunshine Coasts, but deadly Irukandji jellyfish are showing up more often in the summer on the Sunshine Coast.

The only thing we know for sure is that never ever in a million years does CO2 do one beneficial thing — like green the world, stop deserts, grow more food or help plants survive droughts.

Shall we kill people or save them?

On average, every 12 hours for the last ten thousand years, the temperatures vary in Alice Springs by around 16 degrees C. Somehow humans survive this extreme hourly climate change, mostly by switching on the air conditioner. But if it gets half a degree hotter over 20 years, humans will have to leave.

In Australia’s five largest cities, 475 people die from heat-related deaths each year — more than double the year she was born.

Because Nick Kilvert was trained by the Australian Government in school, at uni and at the ABC he does not yet know how to do internet searches for things like “winter deaths”. If he did, or if he was especially lazy and just emailed Jo Nova to do his research for him, he would be able to tell the paying taxpayers he is supposed to serve that every year in Australia the big climate killer is winter which causes 7,000 excess deaths.

So while warming might kill 200 people a year in 2040, it will save far more people than it kills.

The only possible way this outcome of saving lives can be avoided is if we follow the ABC neo-marxist plan to make electricity unaffordable.  Air conditioners save 20,000 lives a year in the USA, so that’s probably 2,000 lives a year in Australia.

A lack of air conditioning will kill more people than global warming. Obviously what we need, if you care about lives, is more Victorian Brown coal plants.

Australian rainfall increasing. Stop that now!

Nick Kilvert is an environment reporter who may or may not realize that Australian rainfall has increased. If CO2 has any effect on rainfall, it’s made more of it. But whatever, as luck would have it, more rain definitely won’t fall in the right place or at the time — thus we get more droughts and more floods. And we know this because skillless climate models say so.

She was 14 the last time the Todd River flowed. But when it did it was a raging torrent.

Apparently that’s a thing. Hot air can hold more moisture. So it takes longer for it to get saturated enough to rain. But when it does …

Does he realize that “more moisture” in the air means there will be less extreme heat and cold? (That’s what the greenhouse effect is supposed to do).

Mostly though, it’s just dry. Alice was already hot and dry, so it doesn’t really have anywhere to go but hotter and drier.

Cotton crops along the Murray-Darling in southern Queensland and New South Wales aren’t planted when there’s long drought. And the wheat belt suffers.

Russia’s wheat industry is going gangbusters though. Good for them.

If you get the urge to take Nick Kilvert investment predictions and do the opposite, check out Cool Futures.*

What the ABC doesn’t mention: Climate change means more rain in Australia

The big question: If we cut ABC funding back to the level of starving bloggers, will Nick Kilvert learn to use the BOM website?

Australian annual rainfall trends 1900 - 2017, Graph, Bureau of Meteorology.

Australian annual rainfall trends 1900 – 2017, Graph, Bureau of Meteorology.

 

Back when CO2 was ideal Alice Springs had a shocking run of dry years. Lord save us all from extra rain in Alice Springs.

Alice Springs, Rainfall at the airport, 1940 - 2017, Bureau of Meteorology

Alice Springs, Rainfall at the airport, 1940 – 2017, Bureau of Meteorology

One hundred years of data shows Alice Springs was always dry with intermittent flooding. Obviously this data needs to be adjusted.

Alice Springs, Rainfall at the airport, 1880 - 1990, Bureau of Meteorology

Alice Springs, Rainfall, Post Office, 1880 – 1990.  Bureau of Meteorology

 

The ABC is unaccountable and out of control.

If you think that should change, please help support independent commentary with some emergency chocolate through Paypal or direct deposit and mail.

*Declaring a conflict of interest, David and I are involved already with Cool Futures and hope one day to profit from it. I’m looking forward to the day when Nick Kilvert declares a conflict of interest and admits he, and all the climate scientists and renewable firms he does free advertising for, get fatter salaries from fatter governments. Will he ever report how incompetent big government is?

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212 comments to ABC Climate fiction: Life at 0.5 degrees hotter, dead plants, animals, ghost towns, jellyfish hell

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      PeterS

      In a nutshell that’s 100% correct. The left will not give up. They rather destroy the whole human population than admit they got it wrong. It’s in in their nature and/or it’s a coverup for another agenda, be it for power and/or money, depending on the individual.

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        OriginalSteve

        The only way to get rid of Communism is to totally crush it.

        You cannot coexist with communists – there appears to be something in thier minds that seems to make them completely unreasonable.

        To a Communist, when they talk of peace, they mean the peace of the grave for any who would resist them.

        Look at Stalin, Hitler, Mao…..tool of choice was genocide and speciality was digging mass graves for thier opposition….history tells ys this.

        Now ponder the USA- there appears to be the beginnings of a communist-driven attempted overthrow of the legally elected US President….

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          GD

          Journalists like Nick Kilvert aren’t communists, they’re ‘useful idiots’ doing the preparatory work for the communists.

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            glen Michel

            Exactly, you can’t get rid of stupid morons. We encounter them in our daily lives – they are well represented in our institutions such as universities and the 4th estate. Arise the common man to make sense of this lunacy.

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              Latus Dextro

              Arise the common man (CM) to make sense of this lunacy

              And therein lies the problem.
              If the CM weren’t asleep at the wheel of consumerist or welfare narcosis we might get some action.
              I wonder whether the populous of younger nations like Canada, Australia and NewZealand are intrinsically vulnerable to the globalist Rainbow Cult ideology? An uncertain sense of individualism and identity makes ripe pickings. Then again, perhaps the older established UK does better … but it seems not. The USA has the literary and philosophical diamond the the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
              The UK and its progeny do not. And the UK and its progeny celebrate conformism and frown on departures, the US does not necessarily, though the DEM Mob does owing to its endemic infection by the Rainbow Cult.
              In fact, could it be that the UK and its progeny may not be adequately future proofed, either by law or by cultural dispostion?

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        OriginalSteve

        Oh, and Hellary did her thesis at uni on Saul Akynskis book *before* it was released…..which appears to indicare she had accees to the manuscipt pre- release.

        Ponder that….

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      Ted O'Brien

      Well now. It is a work of fiction. What sets it apart is that it seems that Nick Kilvert gets paid whether it sells or not.

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      Albert

      When an election is in the wind, they trot out the same scare campaign

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      Mal

      Activists Bullsh*t Club

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    “The ABC came into the world screaming for funding, before projectile-vomiting its turgid imbecilities over the Australian airwaves and internet.”

    Fixed it, Nick.

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    Dave

    Nick Kilvert?
    WOW

    Webpage says he works for the Coal industry as well!

    I think the ABC may be his Gravy Train of Money though!

    Amazing from Ecology to Journalism in his LinkedIn account?

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    John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

    In Perth, all they care about is their bloody ping pong football. News headlines, sports headlines. Now it’s the draft even though the Grand Final ended weeks ago. There is no other religion in Perth except ping pong. Can’t they give it a rest? Climate Change, what’s that?

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      Len

      Aussies Rules is much better than the mobile wrestling :-)

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      Ted O'Brien

      That ping pong football looks very like the Rugby that I used to play, but they don’t stop the game for knock on. I would have loved it if I had had the chance.

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    pat

    Nick is an expert on energy as well as CAGW:

    12 Oct 2017: ABC: Base load power: The dinosaur in the energy debate
    ABC Science By environment reporter Nick Kilvert
    “Technology has moved on from base load, and now you want flexible power. And that’s what demand management, batteries and pumped hydro is,” says Professor Andrew Blakers, director of the ANU Centre for Sustainable Energy Systems…

    What about when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow?
    “All this talk about ‘you’ve got to have baseload power stations’ is complete nonsense,” says Dr Mark Diesendorf.
    “It’s a dinosaur.”…
    Professor Blakers agrees. He says that Australia’s energy future lies in solar and wind, with pumped hydro as a balancing source…

    “It would be very, very good to join South Australia by transmission line directly to New South Wales… It would make the whole national electricity market a more stable system,” Dr Diesendorf says.
    “It’s this long, skinny system — 5,000km long. Putting in one or two cross-links would benefit the whole system, but you can’t do that overnight.”…
    None of these researchers are under any illusions that a transition to a dynamic energy system will be cheap…

    It will involve investment in infrastructure, across state borders, and a forward-thinking approach from our political leaders.
    And leaving base load power in the past, they all agree, would be a good place to start.
    Editor’s note (20/11/17): This story was changed to reflect that times like Christmas can cause power demand to dip even lower than seasonal fluctuations.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-10-12/renewable-energy-baseload-power/9033336

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      wal1957

      “Technology has moved on from base load, and now you want flexible power. And that’s what demand management, batteries and pumped hydro is,” says Professor Andrew Blakers, director of the ANU Centre for Sustainable Energy Systems…

      Demand management… “blackouts”
      Batteries… What are they going to charge them with?
      Pumped Hydro….Once again they need power to pump water uphill, where are they going to get it?

      These blokes live in fairyland.

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        wal1957

        OOOPS

        Forgot about Base Load, apparently it’s not important though, after all it just enables us to use the electrickery whenever we want to, so apparently it is unimportant.

        Bloody gooses!

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          Kinky Keith

          No, you’ve got it wrong.

          It really is happening to them.

          It’s just that it’s all in their minds so you can’t see it.

          But it’s still real to them.

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            OriginalSteve

            Meanwhile, in delusional DoubleSpeak land:

            Note what appears to be authoritarian tone…..

            “Make smart meters compulsory to bring bills down: new report”

            https://www.canberratimes.com.au/politics/act/make-smart-meters-compulsory-to-bring-bills-down-new-report-20181014-p509kk.html

            “Smart meters should be rolled out across the country by 2023 a new report has said, and its author has called for the ACT to play a leadership role in the push.

            Smart electricity meters are only installed in about 30 per cent of Australian households, a figure that is labelled “embarrassing” by managing director of Canberra-based consulting group Delos Delta, Brook Dixon.

            It’s time to get on board with smart meters, and fast, a new discussion paper says.

            “We’ve got a government at the moment that is determined to reduce electricity prices and we have before us the technology that can not only help us reduce electricity prices and reduce electricity consumption but it can also make our resource consumption decisions more informed,” Mr Dixon said.

            Unlike current meters, smart electricity meters can send information back to suppliers remotely, taking away the need for manual meter readings, and can also give householders information about how much energy they are using at specific times. The same technology exists for water and gas meters but is much less widely used or measured.
            Smart meter uptake in Australia has slowed significantly after Victoria’s rollout was beset with problems, where an auditor-general’s report found there was no overall benefit to consumers, but instead a likely cost of $319 million.

            Some Victorians who refused to take part in the rollout had concerns about their privacy, but Mr Dixon believes the technology has moved to the point where these concerns can be mitigated.”

            Actually, people appear to suffer consistently higher power bills, reduced privacy, and lose control over their power usage and devices….

            I just *cant* imagine why people would refuse the damn things….

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              destroyer D69

              If an attempt is made to install a “Smart Meter” on my house without my permission the installer will need the services of a colorectal surgeon to recover said device,……

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        OriginalSteve

        Academia is just that…..

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      Greebo

      Technology has moved on from base load

      ? Good grief.

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        Kinky Keith

        Exactly.

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        OriginalSteve

        People just never learn….do journalists actually understand what they write in the larger picture?

        https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-heading-for-a-battle-royale-on-solar-power-20181012-p5099v.html

        “Australia heading for a ‘battle royale’ on solar power

        The sharply rising levels of rooftop and grid-level solar power will force difficult discussions as Australia reaches a solar peak, energy chiefs say.

        Australia has been installing around 100 megawatts of new solar power every month in 2018 and there are predictions that the country could become the first country in the world where the grid cannot handle the excess level of distributed electricity generated. That would mean the power generated would be wasted as it could not be transported to where it could be used.

        “It’s feast or famine with renewables, they’re all turned on or all turned off at the same time,” EnergyAustralia director Mark Collette told Fairfax Media.

        “We’ll be one of the first countries in the world to hit that solar peak. We’re going to see it way before anyone else does. We’ll hit a point where there is no point in putting any more solar power into the system without something changing.

        “For somewhere like South Australia, I don’t think that it’s far away when they won’t be able to add any more solar because there is nowhere to take it.”

        Yup…and SA is a basket case economically as its swalled its own eco-Kool Aid….
        And no one has bother to actually look at the Engineering aspects of all this either, clearly….if they had, they would have capped solar output at 10% of maximum grid capacity and limited when it was available.

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          sophocles

          “It’s feast or famine with renewables, they’re all turned on or all turned off at the same time,” EnergyAustralia director Mark Collette told Fairfax Media.

          What a moron. It’s not about solar power nor is it about `renewable energy’: it’s all about subsidy farming. That’s all. Supply the grid from your own solar cells, be paid. It doesn’t matter what happens to that electrickery, nor whether or not it’s useful or usable—so long as you’re paid for it.

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            Greebo

            TdeF has been on point about this for ages.The scam is not only a lie, but the payments we are forced to make are very likely unconstitutional. I am not lucid enough to make these points to MPs. It would be fantastic if some of the bright ones here put together a package science dummies like me could send to MPs. I know most of them need to be told when to pretend to think, but if enough of them listen to their constituents ( hah ), and enough of their constituents can present a cogent case, we may get somewhere. /sarc…… Won’t happen…

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      Bushkid

      Wow! Just wow! That level of industrial-grade ignorance and stupidity is simply stunning. (the content of #5 post, not any of the replies)

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        glen Michel

        Blakers?, Diesendorf?, experts?! In what for heavens sake. THese kids that graduate today probably think the moon is the reverse side of the sun.

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      Latus Dextro

      As the World moves to depend increasingly on a reliable, stable predictable, nay, guaranteed source of cheap electricity, these morons suggest the antithesis.
      Without a robust, stable, guaranteed source of electricity the 21st Century is off.
      Done.
      Finito.
      Can’t wait to see the dumb surprise on their idiot faces.

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      sophocles

      I have to ask:

      What is Professor Andrew Blakers, professor of or for? Unicorn Fart Production and Management?
      And Dr Mark Diesendorf? Is he a power generation and distribution engineer? Or is he a specialist in Pixie Dust?

      Hmph. I’ve just looked them up. They should know a lot better.

      My questions above have become statements. Neither of them can have properly mathematically modeled a national or state-wide generation and distribution system with statistical weather data from over the whole of the last century and realistic human usage patterns from business to domestic. If they had, they would have seen the sink holes.

      So: pushers of unicorn farts and pixie dust. Paid pushers …

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        sophocles

        Many things, methods and ways of working functioning or achieving certain ends are possible.
        Every alternative has three fish hooks: cost, efficiency, and availability.
        Very few and surprisingly to these types of eggheads, usually only one is the most cost-effective or cost efficient with the lowest cost, the highest efficiency and greatest continuous availability.

        When the wind don’t blow, … and the sun don’t shine … it’s cold/cloudy/wet which are common weather patterns, I guess they recommend prayer.

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    pat

    question: can Nick compete with Elizabeth?

    Oct 22 Issue: New Yorker: What Is Donald Trump’s Response to the U.N.’s Dire Climate Report?
    The U.N.’s scientific advisory board sounds a piercing alarm on climate change, but the President doesn’t seem to hear it.
    By Elizabeth Kolbert
    (Elizabeth Kolbert has been a staff writer at The New Yorker since 1999. She won the 2015 Pulitzer Prize for general nonfiction for “The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History.”…
    Previously, she worked at the New York Times, where she wrote the Metro Matters column; from 1988 to 1991, she was the paper’s Albany bureau chief, and, from 1992 to 1997, she was a political and media reporter, and also a contributor to the Times Magazine, where she wrote on subjects ranging from the use of focus groups in elections to the New York water supply…
    Her three-part series on global warming, “The Climate of Man,” won the 2006 National Magazine Award for Public Interest, the 2005 American Association for the Advancement of Science Journalism Award, and the 2006 National Academies Communication Award)

    But, if a smoke alarm rings in the kitchen and everyone’s watching “Fox & Friends” in the den, does it make a sound? Asked about the report last week, Donald Trump said, “I want to look at who drew it—you know, which group drew it.” The answer seemed to indicate that the President had never heard of the I.P.C.C., a level of cluelessness that, while hardly a surprise, was nevertheless dismaying…

    Even as the I.P.C.C. warned that 1.5 degrees of warming would be calamitous, it also indicated that, for all intents and purposes, such warming has become unavoidable. “There is no documented historical precedent” for the changes needed to prevent it, the group wrote. In addition to transforming the way that electricity is generated and distributed around the world, fundamental changes would be needed in transportation, agriculture, housing, and infrastructure. And much of this would have to be accomplished by the time today’s toddlers hit high school…

    Thus, it is tempting, following the Trump Administration’s lead, to simply give up. But, as Edgar puts it in “King Lear,” the “worst is not, so long as we can say, ‘This is the worst.’ ”…

    Globally, emissions rose last year, and they’re expected to rise still further this year. This disaster is going to be as bad — as very, very bad — as we make it.
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/what-is-donald-trumps-response-to-the-uns-dire-climate-report

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      Tony K

      Do many people realize how close the world was to a new world order at the 2016 US elections? Had Clinton triumphed, with the world on a progressive tear and the leadership momentum on the world stage firmly in the court of the left wing, the Paris Agreement would have been ratified with 100% first world buy-in, carbon taxes would have been implemented in the US and rapidly being pushed through in other developed countries and the UN would have a heightened sense of self-importance with discussions on how to expand its administrative grasp and impose its legislative dominance.
      The threat hasn’t gone away. The Paris Agreement can still be resumed if Trump is removed at the next POTUS election. The money that will be thrown towards the progressives and Democrats at the next presidential election is going to be huge.

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        Kinky Keith

        A very good point!!!

        In a country where a simple thing like generating electricity is High Moral Drama, the best news is coming from overseas where Britain and the USA have implemented Trumpit and Brexit.

        Hope.

        KK

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        PeterS

        True but I believe a NWO is unavoidable for a number of reasons. It’s just a matter of time. There will be brief moments of sunshine as it is now with Trump but that’s all they are, brief. The broad trend is clear and obvious to anyone who has their eyes wide open, not just about what’s happening int he West but all around the world. Trump has delayed it a little but it will return to be on track with added momentum in due course to make up for lost time.

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          Graeme No.3

          PeterS:

          I don’t agree. The rise of the NWO was helped by momentum with many wanting to “get on the gravy train”. As the money starts to fade away then so will the hangers-on (who are the majority). See the howls when subsidies are reduced.
          The other problem is that the demand is for to much money, and governments can’t spend that much without a backlash from voters. Especially as it becomes increasingly obvious that the ideas aren’t workable.
          The major problem will be when the world cooling becomes obvious and food becomes harder to get. There will be riots and governments collapsing, and international cooperation won’t be possible. We must hope that any wars are contained.
          The end result will be the UN being replaced.

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            PeterS

            Don’t underestimate the power of the elite who are behind the scenes. The UN should have been disbanded a long time ago yet it’s growing from strength to strength. One day it will go away but not until it has inflicted a lot more damage to wake up enough people to resist it rather than to keep ignoring it as though it’s just a small annoyance. As usual with most people who are too busy with their lives they don’t react until it hits them hard in some way, usually in the back pocket although there are other ways.

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              Kinky Keith

              We urgently need a National debate on this issue but even there, the major broadcaster with the potential to reach All Australians would be totally against such a discussion.

              Q.

              Do we have an elected government in Australia?

              KK

              KK

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                OriginalSteve

                Voted for, yes, elected…that’s a matter of opinion…

                “He who votes counts for nothing, he who counts the votes counts for everything”
                - Josef Stalin.

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              Latus Dextro

              Reassuringly, the UN will fail like the League of Nations.
              The tragedy is that it took WW2 to do so.
              The hope is that it does not take WW3, though I sense the itching for a grand fight.

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                Graeme No.3

                I’ve thought for nearly 2 years that the EU and the Democrats in the USA both wanted a war with Russia. Trump stopped that hence their claim that the Russians fiddled the election.

                I don’t know quite why the EU is so determined as any war with Russia will black out the EU because of the loss of gas, oil and wood supplies. (Don’t laugh at the last, it’s about 1.5 million tons p.a. and a lot of homes need those wood pellets to keep warm in winter).

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                sophocles

                WW3 will happen. Possibly sometime before 2050. Food shortages will upset the apple-cart totally.
                When depends on the weather …
                How depends on how the MENA states erupt over the food shortages again.
                That’s where the major flash points are. Asia has others …

                Someone will press the nuclear button.

                (MENA = Middle East North Africa)

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        Latus Dextro

        A sound point with one exception.
        How long can the legislators, administrators, educators and propagators continue to ignore the will of the people?
        The unholy quadrangle of power intentionally ignores the people.
        Moreover, the imposition of an intellectually bankrupt ideology, secular neo-Marxist identity politics, machined into society courtesy of political correctness, is not tolerated by a growing proportion of the population.
        Are you suggesting that a mandate might have developed to impose globalist rule first by threat then under the barrel of a gun?
        Are we finally arrived at the pathological identity politics seen in Nazi Germany in the 1930′s?

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    Kinky Keith

    If I’m stuck in the car driving it’s interesting to channel surf and catch some ABC.

    Tonight was a mix of Karbon drivel and the horrors of fossil fuel syndrome.

    Totally off the planet.

    When Is Our National Broadcaster Going to be Made to Face The Music and Give Us Real News?

    KK

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      Roy Hogue

      When Is Our National Broadcaster Going to be Made to Face The Music and Give Us Real News?

      Only when they have no audience. I suspect even your state run ABC would shiver over no audience. When I’m being fed nonsense I change the channel. Radio works the same way. They must look at the audience share just because of their overstuffed ego, if for no other reason. So make sure they see zero.

      It’s tempting to watch or listen just to see what the enemy is saying. But why raise your blood pressure for nothing?

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      Yonniestone

      One point makes you larger
      And one point makes you small
      And the ones that auntie gives you
      Don’t do anything at all
      Go ask Alice
      When she’s ten point four.

      And if you go chasing predictions
      And you know you’re going to fall
      Tell ‘em a hookah-smoking journalist
      Has given you the call
      Call Alice
      When she was point four

      When the men on the ouija board
      Get up and tell you where to go
      And you’ve just had some kind of fungus
      Grow between your toes
      Go ask Alice
      I think she’ll know

      When logic and proportion
      Have fallen sloppy dead
      And the intern is talking backwards
      And their boss off her head
      Remember what the auntie said
      WE feed your head
      WE feed your head

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      sophocles

      They want 12 more coal-powered power stations shut down.
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-13/coal-power-stations-needed-to-close-to-meet-ipcc-target-report/10368194
      Australia has to do as it’s told and close 12 more coal burning power stations to “save the planet.” This is with Asia, (China, India, Indonesia, Viet Nam, South Korea etc etc etc ) building and planning some 1600 new coal powered stations. Eh? This does not compute. How on earth are 12 Australian coal burners going to “Save The Planet” under those conditions?

      There’s no logic there at all.

      Perhaps the ABC needs to be disconnected from its electricty supply often, at random, without warning, and for days at a time, (then having to pay huge carbon fees for running its emergency diesel generators). Or disconnected permanently. I’m sure a lot of Australian citizens would appreciate cheaper ex-ABC power! :-)

      That Australia’s remaining coal generators are singled-out for such attention by the Institute of Propaganda for Climate Catastrophe when none of the planned 1600 others are, is also unbelievable. What has Australia done to deserve such treatment? Ah: I know, stopped the unorganized causual immigration in leaky boats, aka The Boat People. Tch tch. Must have been UN organised.

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        sophocles

        Bah: spelling. For causual: read casual.

        It’s 8:30 am, here, not 1am or 2am, so I have No Excuse for that,

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        sophocles

        Another coal-burner developer database, just for interest:
        https://coalexit.org/database
        It may be biased but therein lies a little honesty. Maybe.

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        Kinky Keith

        This Country is In the Grip of an ABC Induced Madness and the Brilliance of that creation is that everyone Believes because they “Heard it on the Radio.

        When Politicians have to Pay lip service to Karbon Katastrophism or face redundancy we are in big Trouble.

        Australia???? What Happened.

        KK

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        OriginalSteve

        I keep mentioning to people that the govt is like mice infected with the parasite that turns them suicidal….

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      Ve2

      ABC News 24
      30 minutes of Carbon, aboriginals, diversity/homosexuality.
      Rinse and repeat 47 times.

      [I'll have to leave this for Jo to review.] AZ

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        Ve2

        I will qualify that with if something can be blamed on Donald Trump or Tony Abbott they will make an exception.

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      Latus Dextro

      If I’m stuck in the car driving it’s interesting to channel surf and catch some ABC.

      Brave man KK.

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      Greebo

      If I’m stuck in the car driving it’s interesting to channel surf and catch some ABC.

      Personally, I’d rather slam my &*$# in a car door…

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    pat

    more competition for Nick:

    14 Oct: Guardian: The future is unwritten: taking action is best cure for climate change angst
    A revolution is what we need, and we can begin by imagining and demanding it and doing what we can to try to realize it
    by Rebecca Solnit
    Climate action is human rights, because climate change affects the most vulnerable first and hardest – it already has, with droughts, fires, floods, crop failures. It affects the myriad species and habitats that make this earth such an intricately beautiful place, from the coral reefs to the caribou herds. What we’re deciding now is what life will be like for the kids born this year who will be 82 in 2100, and their grandchildren, and their grandchildren’s grandchildren. They will curse the era that devastated the planet, and perhaps they’ll bless the memory of those who tried to limit this destruction. The report says we need to drop fossil fuel consumption by 45% by 2030, when these kids will be 12. That’s a difficult but not impossible proposition…

    The histories of change that have made me hopeful are often about small groups that seem at the outset unrealistic in their ambition. Whether they were taking on slavery in antebellum USA or human rights in the Soviet bloc, these movements grew exponentially and changed consciousness and then toppled institutions or regimes. We also don’t know what technological breakthroughs, large-scale social changes, or catastrophic ecological feedback loops will shape the next 20 years. Knowing that we don’t know isn’t grounds for confidence, but it is fuel against despair, which is a form of certainty. This future is as uncertain as it’s ever been…

    The movement that has taken on pipelines and fuel trains, refineries and shipping terminals, fracking and mountaintop removal, divestment and finance, policy and law, and sometimes won is evidence of what can happen in 12 years. Some of what were regarded as climate activists’ wild ideas and unreasonable demands are now policy and conventional common sense. There are so many transformative projects under way from local work to transition off fossil fuels, to the effort to stop pipelines (with some major victories, including the one to stop the Trans-Mountain pipeline, which won in court in late August), to the lawsuit against the US government on behalf of 21 young people, charging it with violating their rights and the public trust. The trial begins on 29 October in Eugene, Oregon…

    At the beginning of the 21st century, renewables were expensive, inefficient, infant technologies incapable of meeting our energy needs. In a revolution at least as profound as the industrial revolution, wind and solar engineering and manufacturing have changed everything; we now have the technological capacity to largely leave fossil fuel behind. It was not possible then; it is now. That is stunning. And encouraging.
    Astoundingly, 98% of the energy Costa Rica generates is from non-fossil fuel sources…

    The fading away of the malevolent power of the oil companies would be a profound transformation, politically as well as ecologically.

    I don’t know exactly if or how we’ll get to where we need to go, but I know that we must set out better options with all the passion, power and intelligence we have. A revolution is what we need, and we can begin by imagining and demanding it and doing what we can to try to realize it. Rather than waiting to see what happens, we can be what happens…
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/14/climate-change-taking-action-rebecca-solnit

    ***only an activist during Republican presidencies?

    Wikipedia: Rebecca Solnit
    She ultimately returned to California and finished her college education at San Francisco State University. She then received a master’s degree in journalism from the University of California, Berkeley in 1984…
    Solnit has worked on environmental and human rights campaigns since the 1980s, notably with the Western Shoshone Defense Project in the early 1990s, as described in her book Savage Dreams, ***and with antiwar activists throughout the Bush era…
    She has discussed her interest in climate change and the work of 350.org and the Sierra Club, and in women’s rights, especially violence against women…
    Her writing has appeared in numerous publications in print and online, including the Guardian newspaper and Harper’s Magazine…

    Her 2009 book A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities that Arise in Disaster began as an essay called “The Uses of Disaster: Notes on Bad Weather and Good Government” published by Harper’s magazine the day that Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf coast…

    In a conversation with filmmaker Astra Taylor for BOMB magazine, Solnit summarized the radical theme of A Paradise Built in Hell: “What happens in disasters demonstrates everything an anarchist ever wanted to believe about the triumph of civil society and the failure of institutional authority.”…

    In 2014, Haymarket Books published Men Explain Things to Me, a collection of short essays written about instances of “mansplaining.” Solnit has been credited with paving the way for the coining of the word “mansplaining,”…
    In 2010 Utne Reader magazine named Solnit as one of the “25 Visionaries Who Are Changing Your World”…
    New York Times book critic Dwight Garner called Solnit “the kind of rugged, off-road public intellectual America doesn’t produce often enough…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Solnit

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    Roy Hogue

    Alice Springs 2040, unlivable hell, with no plants, animals and less people

    Never fear, Crocodile Dundee will save the day. Alice Springs is forever engraved deeply into the world’s memory as a place to be preserved at all costs. And the once obscure but now famous Paul Hogan will know exactly what to do — even from his grave.

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    Alan D McIntire

    The same could happen to the Sahara with global warming. As the continent becomes warmer, the hot air rises, to be filled in by moisture carried in from offshore- a monsoon effect.

    http://climateandlife.columbia.edu/2017/07/06/warming-climate-could-abruptly-increase-rain-in-africas-sahel/

    So with global warming, more of the Sahara and more of Australia change from desert to pleasant savanna thanks to that monsoon effect.

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    pat

    14 Oct: CBC: In the fight against climate change, we pay now or our children pay later
    Incentives to shift behaviour, like carbon taxes, needed now to prevent a catastrophic future
    by Matt Henderson
    (Matt Henderson, who has a master’s degree in education, is principal of the Maples Met School in Winnipeg and a winner of the Governor General’s History Award for Excellence in Teaching. He ran for the New Democratic Party in the last federal election)

    If you have an eight-year-old child right now, she will be 30 in 2040. What kind of a world will she live in as an adult?
    According to the international community, we are on a path of a two-to-five degree rise in temperature by the end of the century. By 2040, we will have to live with catastrophic results of our short sightedness, our greed and political cowardice.
    That’s the world your eight-year-old will live in unless we do something now…

    There is no doubt that climate change is the direct result of human activity. There is no doubt that human activity has been so disruptive that it has caused a new geological era: the Anthropocene. For the first time ever, it is not earthquakes, meteors, or shifting tectonic plates which have caused substantive changes to the planet. It is us.
    And our activity, ironically, has called into question whether or not our species will even survive if we continue to emit carbon in the manner in which we do now, and continue to surpass planetary boundaries for human existence.

    And as we see in Canada, some political leaders are not prepared to make the decisions needed to not only mitigate climate change, but also help our children adapt to it…
    And yet some provinces in Canada have backed out of carbon pricing, the federal government continues to invest in fossil fuels, and investments in alternative forms of energy are an afterthought…
    Paul Romer, the Nobel Prize-winning economist, has argued for the use of incentives, or carbon taxes, for years…

    In Australia, where the coal lobby reigns supreme, GHG emissions have risen dramatically since a carbon tax was quashed in 2014…

    As Manitobans and Canadians, we have an opportunity and a choice. We can succumb to a populist agenda and view a carbon tax as the long reach of government. This will mean in the short term that we are not on the hook now for dramatically affecting the future of our children.
    It will also mean that our children will pay this tax. They will pay with their chance to live on a stable planet, instead living on one whose ability to sustain human life will be severely compromised.
    Or we can pay now…
    Placing a price on carbon is not a debate. It is an essential step toward a better future for our kids.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/opinion-carbon-tax-climate-change-1.4860860

    Canada’s carbon-tax plan is collapsing just as the planet runs out of time
    Washington Post-9 Oct. 2018

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    Richard Ilfeld

    50 years ago I taught course to budding TV newspeople.
    For lecture one I cribbed an idea from a newspaper reporter a century before.
    The newsman was talking about the lead.
    I spoke of the first few seconds of a short actuality.
    Who?
    What?
    Where?
    When?
    How Much?
    How Many?
    How do we know?

    Some lessons age well.
    This is still a good way to tell fake news from real news.

    I also taught that news speculators are like stock market speculators.
    There will be some euphoric highs, and you can lose everything. And while
    the gains can be fun, the losses can end the game.

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      sophocles

      … and they’ve all forgotten it, otherwise they would have passed it on to the new generations of journos.

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    Gary

    Most of the reef is dead or dying in the north. Some of the hardier coral species have survived, but the diversity and colour are gone and no-one wants to snorkel in algae.

    I condemn this phycophobic (Greek phykos = seaweed) hate speech against algae. It’s hurtful and unnecessary. Some of us find algae fascinating and value their contribution to the marine ecosystem. From phytoplankton to giant kelp they do their part without so much as receiving a thank you. /snark, but making a serious point.

    In fact, the zoanthellae symbionts of coral are algae! Environment reporter Nick Kilvert is too uninformed to know this.

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      glen Michel

      In the field of agnotology never has so much been owed……..

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      glen Michel

      “Snorkel in Algae”. Geez it sounds like something that happens when you have a heavy cold.

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      sophocles

      …and no one wants to snorkel in algae

      Wot an iggorant idgit. Moronic. The kelp and other seaweed beds are where the fish are, and all the other sights on the sea floor. They’re where the action is. Vistas of just sand and rock are boring. The life forms mostly think so too. There’s nothing there. It’s over where the seaweed grows—that’s where the life, the colours, and the bright lights are.

      I can see this moronic journo needs to be taken snorkeling so he can learn to appreciate how much the fish and other sea life like the algae/seaweed/kelp.

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    Old44

    She was 14 the last time the Todd River flowed. But when it did it was a raging torrent.

    When the Todd flows it is usually a raging torrent and it is a good thing because it flushes out the garbage that has accumulated since the last flood.
    The only major drawback is it makes getting food supplies in the Eastern half of town difficult and cuts off the pub.

    As for the temperature rise, as long as the VB’s are cold and there is a tree to sit under there is no problem.

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    I still can’t help but ponder that if warming is so bad, why do people still go holidaying to hot climates every year? The first thing that should be done is to ban all travel to hot climates. All government facilities should be moved from the north down to the south (including Their ABC elements) and people offered refugee status in the southern states. New cities should be built in Tasmania to take advantage of it’s moderate climate.

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      Greebo

      The ABC could relocate to the banks of Lake Vostok. After all, if they’re right they’d make a motza off the waterfront real estate. However, if they’re wrong, the weather might come in for some real scrutiny for a change. Briefly.

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      sophocles

      Bullseye.

      Why do folk retire to warm areas such as Florida in the US?

      Why does the majority of the human race live in the tropics? (that’s “around the equator”)

      Why do the tropics hold the majority of the planet’s species/life-forms? (Like Mr Guterrez the UN Secretary General…but does he count as a life form?)

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    Mark M

    Wait. What?

    There’s babies?

    UN-IPCC Global Warming Science Official says “we should make every effort to de-populate the planet.” @ 4.20:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFGksEgSwk8

    And, there is a future?

    Climate Change Is Already Here, Says Massive Government Report

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/national-climate-assessment_n_5270541.html?section=australia

    And the jelly fish.

    Turns out emitting a trace gas (CO2) is a truly lousy way of turning oceans acidic, killing jelly fish.

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      theRealUniverse

      Yep “Climate Change Is Already Here, Says Massive Government Report” its called the NEW MINI ICE-AGE!

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      KinkyKeith

      We need to get out of the UN.

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      Roy Hogue

      Figueres does a nice rant about the plight of women and how they’ll be at the forefront leading the way into the future, no doubt Agenda-21 style. But she has no idea what the solution really is or even which problem is real and which is not. I’ve asked myself this before — if I’m looking for leadership wouldn’t I find the best qualified person? Would it matter if that person is a man or a woman? My answers always were yes and no respectively. But there’s one even more important question — would you want to be under the thumb of an unelected and unaccountable organization like the UN? I always answer no.

      Since I realized that not everything I was told was the truth I’ve been a guy who watched what’s going on in the world and always asked myself what’s working and what isn’t? And what we’re doing right now isn’t working. By the way, it took more years than you might think for me to come to that realization.

      In the meantime there’s no letting that failure stop them. They go on. And they are coming for you and me because we don’t comply with their wishes.

      The situation is so bad that right now in California being a Republican makes you a political eunuch. I have only the choice between two Democrats for U.S. Senator without even the possibility of writing in a different name and voting for that person. There is a long shot at electing a Republican governor but it’s a long long shot. I might as well have not voted for president and I would have done as much to elect Trump as I did by voting for him.

      They are dishonest from word one. And they will surely fail, bringing the rest of us down with them when they go. And there is nowhere left to run to. I’m glad that my son and his family have moved out of California but in the end it only delays the inevitable, they can’t escape it no matter where they go. We have a swamp so deep and so full of alligators that the gators outnumber the swamp drainers. Then there are the snakes…

      We need to pull the plug on the UN before it’s too late. And I have no idea how to do that. Trump has started in the right direction but it doesn’t go far enough.

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    Mark M

    “But some people think the world is going to end by … the world’s gonna heat up and we’ll gonna be baked alive, but, other people think a monster with 7 heads is gonna come out & rip us apart.

    I’m still deciding.” – 5 year old.

    Christian Groups: Biblical Armageddon Must Be Taught Alongside Global Warming

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYbR7os_q9k

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      Annie

      This stuff is appalling…poor children.

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      Roy Hogue

      And about Armageddon, Why must we bombard our children with how they’re going to die? Or a better question might be, why do we try to teach them everything but the heritage they inherit from their past — their history, their literature and not to omit the really important things, how to read and write, do arithmetic correctly, understand basic science and be able to put a few words together to make a coherent sentence? And that’s far from an exhaustive list.

      We’re stealing both their childhood and their adulthood the way we’re going now.

      You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar so why not teach instead of trying to scare our students into believing something — anything, whether scientifically correct or not?

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        sophocles

        Roy, it may be far from exhaustive but it’s a darned good start with the most important ones.

        I recently watched a video from Nat Geo. It filled in some holes and gave me a much better appreciation of the historical, cultural and attitudinal origins of our society. It gave me much to think and appreciate. We have a society with roots over 4000 years in the past and it’s one I do not want to lose.

        (its: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfd4kFPWjzU. Don’t be put off by the title: it’s an historical narrative from archaeology rather than religious. I can recommend it.)

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          Roy Hogue

          Without even watching it I can agree with you. We don’t want to lose it. Mankind has spent a very long time and paid a very dear price for what we know today about what works and what doesn’t. Yet for over a hundred years what I can only call jealousy has been trying to replace those thousands of years of wisdom with complete nonsense.

          Karl Marx correctly understood that human competitiveness was a big problem. What he didn’t understand and his followers of various stripes don’t understand is that it’s built into the nature of the human animal and nothing will ever get it out. It’s a necessary skill for survival of the species.

          We used to teach our children the need for honesty and respect for law and order, respect for authority. It’s one thing to question society’s expectations and expect answers but quite another to want to throw those expectations wholesale on the trash heap and substitute someone’s imaginary society for them.

          Every society is a pyramid with those best able to keep order rising to the top and the rest existing below the top dogs. It’s our job, since we claim to have self government in the western world, to make sure the right people rise in the pyramid and the wrong do not. There will never be a flat structure with everyone equal socially and financially instead of the pyramid unless everyone is equally poor and powerless. And even then there will be top dogs enforcing the social order.

          I have no claim to any great revelation here but if someone can point out how I’m wrong and make a good argument against me, I promise I’ll pay attention and respond.

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    robert rosicka

    Picture Alice Springs in 2030 , a frozen waste land covered in snow and ice ,the Todd river hasn’t flowed for 10 years because of the -10 temps and is now only used for ice skating .

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      Graeme No.3

      A question or two.
      How many coal fired and gas fired power stations have been installed in the past 50 years?
      How much has the global temperature gone up in that time?

      If burning fuel causes the temperature to rise why don’t we stop using cars and trucks? They generate as much CO2 as power stations, so any temperature rise would be (at least) halved if our politicians set an example and peddalled their bike around Canberra on wintery mornings.

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        Bushkid

        Don’t worry Graeme No.3, transport is next on the agenda, along with agriculture.

        Just think what the impact of curtailing those by the Paris Accord-intended 30% will be for Australia. An ever-increasing population by government mandated immigration, alongside even more expensive and intermittent electricity supply, less food being grown, and less ability to move what little we will still be producing as either industrial products or food.

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    The ABC says

    In Australia’s five largest cities, 475 people die from heat-related deaths each year — more than double the year she was born.

    Hajat et al 2014, a study of the regions of England and Wales, projected that by the 2050s there would be a 7000 excess deaths.

    Without adaptation, heat-related deaths would be expected to rise by around 257% by the 2050s from a current annual baseline of around 2000 deaths, and cold-related mortality would decline by 2% from a baseline of around 41 000 deaths.

    Note the clause “without adaptation”. Looking at the details, I found that the majority of the excess deaths were projected to be the over-75s in NHS hospitals. It therefore assumed that faced with a mounting problem of heat-waves deaths, (the pinnacle of increasing patient distress) hospitals would fail to provide air conditioning, get patients to drink more water, or other means to reduce the impacts. This increasing toll was consistent across all regions regions, but the coolest region, the North-East of England (Newcastle/Middlesborough) would have Summer average temperatures similar to London today, whilst London would still not be as hot as Milan today. In London the average daily high in July is 23.5C. I notice that in Perth Australia average January highs are 32.3C. How do you Australians cope?

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      Without adaptation, heat-related deaths would be expected to rise by around 257% by the 2050s from a current annual baseline of around 2000 deaths, and cold-related mortality would decline by 2% from a baseline of around 41 000 deaths.

      So cold related deaths would still be over 7x heat related deaths?

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    Dennis

    Australia losing sovereignty, UN, treaties, important information at the link below;

    http://morningmail.org/losing-sovereignty-pace/#more-91595

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    Ruairi

    With their minds under warmist control,
    Many journalists meekly extol,
    With no tough questions asked,
    Or fake science unmasked,
    All things warmist, being duped, swallow whole.

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    el gordo

    ‘Moving to Darwin is out of the question. So is north Queensland. It’s too hot …’

    That is absurd, even during the Medieval Warm Period there is evidence to show humans survived in the Darwin area and Cape York.

    ‘Most of the reef is dead or dying in the north. Some of the hardier coral species have survived, but the diversity and colour are gone …’

    To repeat myself, coral reefs only bleach because of a drop is sea level in the Western Pacific during strong El Nino, it leaves the coral high and dry.

    So as global cooling kicks in, after a generational pause in world temperature, we should expect less El Nino and consequently a bountiful GBR.

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    Peter O'Brien

    That’s some powerful newborn – projectile vomiting all over the hospital floor!

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    el gordo

    ‘Cotton crops along the Murray-Darling in southern Queensland and New South Wales aren’t planted when there’s long drought. And the wheat belt suffers.’

    For the lurkers, we can expect more La Nina for a couple of decades and less El Nino, which means flood mitigation will become the big issue.

    Government will take advantage of the cool wet conditions, realising finally that this is a place of drought and flooding rains, they will put in a pipeline from the Ord to the MDB so that drought becomes less of a problem. The communists will come up with the best tender.

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    Greebo

    Nick prompts me to drag out a Gillardism. Hyperbowl much?

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    el gordo

    If the Inter Tropical Convergence Zone moves north then you will know global warming is real and not imaginary. Australia would miss out on its wet season, but the ITCZ is more likely to go further south.

    ‘The ETH researcher and her colleagues have now managed to demonstrate how the tropical weather system shifted a good way south between 1450 and 1850, a period known as the Little Ice Age. “This migration is linked to the lower global temperatures during this time,” explains Lechleitner.

    ‘The latest climate reconstructions show that the average temperatures during this period were around 0.4 degrees Celsius lower than before and after the Little Ice Age. The migration of the tropical rain belt also caused substantial changes in the tropical and subtropical climate during this time, affecting the areas of drought and heavy rainfall.’

    Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-04-ice-age-displaced-tropical-belt.html#jCp

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    pat

    when “now” and “right now” mean entirely different things!

    14 Oct: CBC: ‘Hotter hot spells and colder cold spells’: climate change already making mark on Manitoba
    Dreary fall a result of melting sea ice, scientist says
    by Sarah Petz; With files from the Associated Press
    PHOTO: The unusually cold, damp fall Manitoba has been having is tied to melting polar ice caps, one climate change scientists says

    If you think Manitoba will be sheltered from the dire consequences of global warming, or that a few extra degrees might actually be good for this frozen province, think again, say climate change experts.
    We may even be feeling them ***now in the form of the dreary, cold fall the province has been experiencing, says one scientist…

    “The probability is that we’re going to get hotter hot spells, and colder cold spells, wetter wet spells and dryer dry spells because we’re changing the probability distribution of those types of climate systems,” (David Barber, a University of Manitoba scientist and Canada research chair in arctic system science) said.
    “That’s a problem for us, because we evolved on this planet because of the stable climate system that we’re in ***right now.”

    The cold fall in Manitoba and record high temperatures to the east and west aren’t just coincidence, he said, tying them to melting sea ice.
    He says air from the polar jet will come faster and be more persistent, holding cold, snowy, rainy weather in our area.
    “This is one of the manifestations of climate change, in that sea ice changes are changing the way the polar vortex works,” he said…
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/climate-change-manitoba-un-report-1.4862555

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    TdeF

    Breitbart article

    “Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow said he is skeptical of a new United Nations climate change report that predicted catastrophic global consequences if greenhouse gas emissions are not reduced.”

    “Personally, I think the U.N. study is …way, way too difficult. I won’t say it’s a scare tactic, but I think they overestimate. The models have not been successful in the last 20 years. We have to be cognizant of the work that needs done. I’m not denying any climate change issues. I’m saying do we know precisely how much is manmade, how much of it is solar, how much is ocean, how much is rainforest and other issues? We’re exploring all that. I don’t think we should panic. I don’t think there’s an imminent catastrophe coming, but I think we should look at this in a level-headed and analytic way.”

    “I won’t say it’s a scare tactic.” Yes, it is. That is ridiculously obvious.

    “I’m saying do we know precisely how much is manmade?”
    Brilliant question. It is the key issue. This from a Financial Analyst? Why can’t the scientists ask this question? If there is no fossil fuel CO2 in the air, it is all pointless nonsense. King Canute stuff.

    In fact we do know exactly how much is man made. Under 2%. Radio carbon dating the trusted tool discovered in 1956 for dating all once living things. It is based entirely on Carbon Dioxide. It can precisely date the CO2 in the air today.

    The White House need to urgently commission an independent scientific laboratory, even NASA or NOAA or any University to measure exactly how much fossil fuel CO2 is in the air. Then it would all be over instantly. Mr Kudlow would have his answer. Man Made Global Warming would be dead. Overnight.

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      TdeF

      I guess NASA and NOAA have too much to lose. They will produce a 1,000 page waffle and committee meetings of eminent politicians who will interpret the results.
      .
      No, it must be a single figure from a trusted laboratory with no so called ‘climate scientists’ involved. Just bona fide physicists. Climate is irrelevant to this question, as Kudlow indicates. Man made Climate Change/Global Warming is critically dependent on it, which is why no one asks the question and no one comments.

      It’s not whether CO2 is so evil. It’s whether there is any man made CO2 in the air, something even skeptics do not ask. It takes a financial analyst.

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        gbees

        TdeF

        “It’s whether there is any man made CO2 in the air, something even skeptics do not ask”

        Been trying to understand this for a while. See my questions at #38

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          TdeF

          There are three isotopes of Carbon. C12, C13, C14. Two are stable. C14 is radioactive

          C12 is 99% of all carbon
          C13 is 1%
          C14 is 0.0000000001% (one part per trillion, per million million)

          C14 lasts on average 5,400 years until half is gone, the half life. So after 20,000 years you only have 1/2 of 1/2 of 1/2 left. 1/8th.

          All life on earth is based on only three things. CO2 and H2O and sunlight. With photosynthesis (CO2) and (H2O) bond into what we can obviously Carbon Hydrates (formula (CO2)m(H2O)n).

          All life on earth lives on this stuff and turns it into plants, animals, insects and you.

          When you digest it and turn it into sugars, they power you. You are made from Carbon Dioxide and Water. All plants are almost entirely carbon dioxide and water.

          The point is that C14 is made only in the upper atmosphere by cosmic rays, which over a 5,400 year period have been remarkably stable, so C14 is in the air. It is absorbed in plants first. The plant dies. The C14 ages and decays.

          So
          1. there is no C14 left in fossil fuel. It has all decayed. Infinite age.
          2. there is a constant amount of C14 in the air as CO2. You are made entirely from modern CO2, as is everything else.

          Radio Carbon dating is finding how much C14 is in a sample of wood or bone or even teeth. You can come up with a reasonably precise date from seeing how much C14 is left.

          If the 50% increase in CO2 since industrialization was from fossil fuels, the amout of C14 in the air would have dropped to 66% as 1/3 of the CO2 would be from fossil fuel which has no CO2.

          Basically what was discovered in 1956 was that there was under 2% of fossil fuel CO2 in the air. After two world wars. Therefore it had gone somewhere.

          The fraud of man made climate change is that CO2 stays in the air indefinitely, that the rise in CO2 is man made. This is demonstrably not true. Nothing else matters. If we did not increase the CO2, we can do nothing. CO2 levels are purely natural, caused by warming of the great oceans which contain 98% of all CO2 gas. The flat beer
          effect.

          This is not debatable. Not arguable. It is the simple truth. There is no man made anything.

          Further we know exactly how fast the air exchanges CO2 with the ocean. Half every 14 years. This is fact.
          So the IPCC statements that CO2 lives in the thin air forever is deceit or ignorance or worse.

          What is needed is for a scientific body to measure and state the amount of fossil fuel CO2 in the air. Then the insanity would stop. Why doesn’t the Royal Society or NASA or NOAA or … say anything? If the White House demanded the answer to this one question, the game would be over.

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            Also, to my utter amazement, WIkipedia is right

            “The atmospheric half-life for removal of 14CO2 has been estimated to be roughly 12 to 16 years in the northern hemisphere. ”

            I hope my little blog helped here. I did it to put the fact and the science in the public domain.

            “In 2009 the activity of 14C was 238 Bq per kg carbon of fresh terrestrial biomatter, close to the values before atmospheric nuclear testing (226 Bq/kg C; 1950).”

            Which means there is NO visible contribution from the so called Bern cycle. The major equilibrium is the huge equilibrium with the vast oceans which contain and control the level of CO2 in the air.

            End of Story.

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            TdeF

            Sorry, the stability is over at least 20-30,000 years. 5,400 is the half life.

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      robert rosicka

      Just can’t wait for the next IPCC report to see how they’re going to top this scare story .

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    mmxx

    Shameless, totally-unquestioning climate alarmism by Australia’s publicly-funded broadcaster!

    It is published with the same bald effrontery by which the ABC claims to broadcast “without bias or agenda”.

    Taxpayers cannot opt out of funding this propagandising behemoth under any current political party that is likely to govern.

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    el gordo

    On the Atherton Tableland in North Queensland it was droughty during the Dark Ages and LIA.

    https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/clip_image0061.png

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      robert rosicka

      Somewhere around that time there was a 26 year drought in Oz according to ice core studies .

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        TdeF

        I have read of a 65 year drought on the East coast of South America, Ecuador. A mountain turned out to be a city. They found all the skeletons of young people sacrificed to bring the rain back, but the society collapsed. The West Coast of South America and the East Coast are established to be in mirror weather positions, as was discovered by finding layers of direct in high Andes ice samples. Drought in one is flooding in the oather. The first clues of the major PDO and oscillations with the extremes classified as La Nina and El Nino, weather determined by 3D eddies and oscillations in the giant mobile heat store which is the Pacific ocean. No wonder the computer models cannot predict the biggest single events on the planet. They are in the oceans.

        Knowing all this, we should be drought proofing our continent, our farms, our cities but we are building windmills and having ‘environmental’ flows. The environment has looked after itself for millions of years before man invented ecology, intervention, the Great Barrier Reef and windmills. Now it seems human environmental intervention is all the rage, the exact opposite of what ecology was all about. Myxamatosis, prickly pear, Calcivirus, rabbits, foxes, European wasps, starlings, rats.

        Now we are giving 7 tons of gold at random to people who didn’t ask for it, are going to do something they had not thought about and calling it environmentalism. No. It’s nonsense, even theft, cronyism, fake science.

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      beowulf

      The X axis units on that graph are Years BP. For those interested, the original (intelligible) graph is here in the full paper:

      http://mires-and-peat.net/media/map14/map_14_05.pdf

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      theRealUniverse

      Actually droughts during cooling are to be expected as the evaporation is less. I remember Corbyn (weatheraction) commented on this in one of his interviews.
      The standard garbage is the warming = more droughts. So dryer periods in the LIA makes sense.

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        el gordo

        As we enter the mini Ice age weather becomes more variable, cool and wet, then sliding into the depths it becomes cold and dry.

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    now!

    14 Oct: Accuweather: Photos: Snow creates winter wonderland from Montana to Colorado
    By Renee Duff
    A snowstorm swept across the Rockies and High Plains this weekend, bringing picturesque wintry scenes, but also travel disruptions.
    Snow first fell across Montana on Friday night before sweeping into Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska and northern Colorado on Saturday and Saturday night.
    Sioux Falls, South Dakota, recorded its first measurable snowfall of the season early Sunday morning.

    Conditions became so severe on the roadways that portions of interstates 25 and 80 in Wyoming were shut down in both directions on Saturday night.
    Cheyenne, Wyoming, recorded 4.5 inches of snow on Saturday, which fell just shy of tying the daily record snowfall of 4.9 inches from 1899.
    In Denver, rain quickly changed to snow on Saturday night as temperatures plummeted from 51 to 33 degrees Fahrenheit in the span of two hours.
    Snow is expected to continue across the Plains and Rockies into early on Monday, including in the city of Denver…
    https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/photos-snow-creates-winter-wonderland-from-montana-to-colorado/70006340

    PICS: 15 Oct: Daily Mail: Winter came early this year! Snow warnings are issued across EIGHT states as the Rockies brace for record-cold temperatures and a foot of snow
    •Snow continues to fall in parts of the Rocky Mountains, reaching record cold
    •Parts of Colorado, Kansas and New Mexico have been blanketed with snow
    •Nebraska, Wyoming and Montana are issued weather warnings through Monday
    By Dailymail.com Reporter
    While the east coast is experiencing its first refreshingly cool fall weather, the Plains and Rockies are in for a blast of Arctic air that are bringing record lows…
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6274687/Snow-warnings-issued-eight-states-Rockies-brace-record-cold.html

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    Mark M

    Finkel: Doomsday Global Warming? Hold my beer …

    This week’s release of the special report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has put scientific evidence on the front page of the world’s newspapers.

    As Australia’s Chief Scientist, I hope it will be recognised as a tremendous validation of the work that scientists do.

    The message I take is that we do not have time for fatalism.

    We have to look squarely at the goal of a zero-emissions planet, then work out how to get there while maximising our economic growth.

    It requires an orderly transition, and that transition will have to be managed over several decades.

    https://theconversation.com/the-science-is-clear-we-have-to-start-creating-our-low-carbon-future-today-104774

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    ROM

    Somebody here on Jo’s blog who has a background or a high interest in Literary matters or even more preferably a whole group of literary minded individuals should consider nominating Nick Kilvert’s article for an Australian Literary Fiction Award of some sort.

    There seems to be a whole cluster of such apparently similar annual Literary Fiction awards available including the ABC’s Fiction Award going by the Wiki entry, List of Australian literary awards

    Obviously any information on such a Literary Fiction Award nomination for an ABC programmed opinion piece would immediately be suppressed.
    But it would probably cause some hilarity amongst all those who got too hear that such a nomination was actually made.
    The subsequent fallout from such a nomination would be to reinforce rather obviously just what a section of the community thinks of ABC promoted ideology based beliefs on climate change.
    It would make the promoter of such views, Kilvert in this instance seem to be a target of ridicule which would really hurt as these types of individuals generally take themselves very seriously.
    It would therefore be a solid blow to their grossly inflated egos and it would make other ABC commentators just a little bit warier for about what they might pronounce about climate change on the ABC.

    And if a whole group of skeptics particularly if they already had a high degree of interaction with the Literary cognoscenti, collectively signed and nominated such an obviously ficitional account of the future of the climate, Sci Fi Climate Fiction as it appears to be , then it really would get under the skin of the likes of the ABC and all the climate change acolytes and alarmists.

    It won’t happen as I outlined but it is an alternative way of really forcing the alarmists to begin to consider just how they present the science and justify their personal opinions. there is nothing like a very directed open but subtle sarcasm allied with a reulting behind the hand sniggering to take the wind out of any egostic know it all commentator regardless of his or her self promoted status.

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      ROM

      Thats the shortest In Moderation I have ever had!
      Thanks Jo and / or mods

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      robert rosicka

      Most if not all the ABC’s work on the climate these days is a work of fiction ,they did start labelling these stories as “opinion” but I don’t think they even bother these days .
      Just scare the bejesus out of anyone who still watches and trusts them.

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    el gordo

    On the Blue Mountains west of Sydney, during the Holocene Max, it appears to be wetter.

    ‘Fire was less ubiquitous between ~9,000 and 6,000 years BP, a period normally described as having a higher effective moisture in south-eastern Australia.’

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225525826_Holocene_fire_history_from_the_Greater_Blue_Mountains_World_Heritage_Area_New_South_Wales_Australia_

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    pat

    Bank of England tells institutions to prepare for climate change
    Financial Times-9 hours ago
    The Bank of England will put banks and insurers on notice to vastly improve their planning for the long-term risks of climate change, placing senior executives in the line of fire if their institutions take insufficient action…

    28 Apr 2015: Guardian: Nearly half of top pension funds gambling on climate change
    by Karl Mathiesen
    UN climate chief Christiana Figueres said the index was an invaluable tool for encouraging pension fund to finance the shift toward a low carbon economy.
    “Pensions funds and the multi-trillion dollar assets they manage have a pivotal role to play in this transformation.”…
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/28/pension-funds-climate-change-fossil-fuels

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    14 Oct: Forbes: How A Viking Swimming With A Sheep Led To Climate Change Denial
    by Matthew Gabriele
    (professor of Medieval Studies in the Department of Religion and Culture at Virginia Tech. I earned my PhD in Medieval History from the University of California-Berkeley 2005)
    Prof. Bruce Holsinger at the University of Virginia has recently shown just how this can work and what dramatic consequences it can have. His article “Thorkel Farserk Goes for a Swim: Climate Change, the Medieval Optimum, and the Perils of Amateurism,” just published in a volume entitled The Middle Ages in the Modern World: Twenty-First Century Perspectives, tells a story about a 10th-century Viking and a modern scientist who read with too little skepticism, which has dramatic implications as we confront the recent UN report on climate change…

    The story was seized on by an early climate scientist as an anecdote that helped prove what’s since become known as the “Medieval Warm Period.”…READ ON
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewgabriele/2018/10/14/viking-sheep-climate-change/

    Twitter page for the very partisan Prof Holsinger
    https://twitter.com/bruceholsinger?lang=en

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      pat

      a bit of fun:

      26 Sept: Guardian: The lonely Thames beluga whale is an anomaly – and an omen
      It seems apt this whale has appeared in the ominously named Gravesend. Throughout history belugas have been a portent.
      by Philip Hoare
      (Philip Hoare is the author of Leviathan or, The Whale)
      Yesterday’s report of a Arctic beluga whale in the Thames has an almost Shakespearean quality of something both rich and strange, sensational and fatal at the same time. She’s tragically in the wrong place; comparisons with the Thames whale of 2006 are all too obvious. Despite a million-pound rescue attempt, that northern bottlenose died of dehydration, unable to feed on her deep-water diet of squid and thus slake her thirst.

      Londoners may be becoming blase about marine mammals, with an upsurge in sightings of seals; I saw one recently, sunning itself on the riverbank in front of the National Theatre as if auditioning for a role…
      But none of this is new…

      With Arctic temperatures 20C warmer than usual this summer, can we expect more whalish refugees, even as global warming forces their human counterparts to migrate?…
      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/26/thames-beluga-whale-omen-changing-climate-gravesend

      25 Sept: UK Independent: Why is there an Arctic beluga whale swimming in the Thames?
      Mammal spotted off Coalhouse Fort in Essex by surprised locals
      by Joe Sommerlad
      There has not been a beluga sighting in the Thames since 1913…
      “It could have followed a food source, it could have become disorientated or it could have been motivated by a disturbance,” Lucy Babey, head of science and conservation at cetacean charity Orca, told The Independent.
      The whale, “out of its normal habitat” away from the coasts of the Arctic and Greenland, ordinarily swims in groups but might have become separated from its pod as a result of illness or injury or been driven off course by a “disturbance” at sea, Ms Babey speculated.
      This disturbance could be anything from a weather front to it being startled by a noise from a ship, she said…
      On the question of whether Britain’s unseasonably warm summer might have played a part in leading it off course, Ms Babey suggested this could be the case if the whale’s food supply had cause to behave differently as a result of the balmier conditions…
      “Ultimately we won’t know for sure why [the whale] is here unless we examine its carcass, which obviously we don’t want to do,” she said…

      6 Oct: UK Telegraph: Thames Beluga whale could be ferried back to Arctic in ‘Free Willy’ plan
      By Helena Horton and Patrick Sawer
      With the waters of the Thames and North Sea cooling with the onset of winter scientists believe the whale will be happy where it is until spring…
      Marine biologist Dr Chris Parsons: “Maybe it’ll be OK over winter, but when it comes into next summer and if there’s yet another heatwave, that will not be great for this animal. The water temperature is too warm. To come into the Thames is really rather odd and of course there are concerns about pollution and whether it would pick up a disease.”…

      VIDEO: 9 Oct: UK Evening Standard: Benny the Beluga whale STILL in River Thames two weeks after first being spotted there
      by Jacob Jarvis
      “It seems to be doing fine. It’s certainly coping,” said Stephen Marsh, operations manager at the British Divers Marine Life Rescue…
      https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/beluga-whale-is-still-in-the-thames-two-weeks-after-it-was-first-spotted-there-a3957051.html

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    pat

    comment in moderation re: 14 Oct: Forbes: How A Viking Swimming With A Sheep Led To Climate Change Denial

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      Greebo

      I am a professor of Medieval Studies in the Department of Religion and Culture at Virginia Tech. I earned my PhD in Medieval History from the University of California-Berkeley (2005) and am generally interested in the European Middle Ages,

      Matthew Gabriele.

      Pity he didn’t study archeology instead. He’d have found plenty of evidence that Greenland was warmer in the MWP than it is now. Instead he tells us that The Book Of Settlements should be read as a fantasy, and not doing so led to CC denial. Boy, Prof Bruce Holsinger sure has a lot to answer for….

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    gbees

    Slightly off topic. Hoping someone can clear up for me. I keep reading/hearing that humans account for around 3% of CO2 emissions and nature 97%. Ian Plimer quotes this often. Where does this come from? Also I’m told that the CO2 from burning fossil fuels is different to that which nature produces. Is this true? What are the differences? Are there any references which I could read?

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      Kinky Keith

      Hi

      TdeF is up on the varying weights of carbon isotopes which can be quantified in the atmosphere. The separation of the isotopes may be related to the two origins for CO2 in the atmosphere as being ancient, fossil fool, or ex.current sources.

      I don’t know myself.

      As to the split between nature and human origin I think even the IPCCCCC accepts that breakdown.

      KK

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        TdeF

        Yes, the IPCC know all about this. Admitting it would destroy the IPCC.

        There is only one isotope which matters, radioactive C14 which decays slowly into Nitrogen 14 and so there is no C14 in fossil fuel.

        So if 1/3 of the air was fossil fuel CO2, 1/3 of the CO2 would have NO C14 and the level of C14 would drop to 66%.

        That has not happened. C14 prove without question that less than 2% of all CO2 is fossil fuel in origin.

        1. there is no fossil fuel CO2 in the air
        2. we released a lot of fossil fuel CO2 and it has vanished. Where?

        Answer that and you have the key to the cycle of life on earth. It’s all about the vast oceans from which we came. They are the origins of all life, not land and the thin atmosphere. All the gases, the heat, the life is in the oceans. Baby humans as embryos still display gills.

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      google this

      origin of atmospheric carbon isotopes

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        TdeF

        That absolute rubbish. Unbelieveable.

        The first contains a real fantasy made up on the ratio between C12 and C13 based on alleged differential uptakes. You have to wonder why they don’t look at C14, which is perfect for the job. Even the Suess effect has been corrupted to now include this C12/C13 differential nonsense. What Professor Suess discovered absolutely in 1956 stands today. Fossil fuel is insignificant in the atmosphere. You can measure it. That’s it.

        The second, contains

        “As an example of these isotopic fingerprints, and how they can help scientists, consider this: fossil fuels do not contain 14C. By studying how the concentration of 14C has changed in the atmosphere, scientists have determined that the atmospheric increase in carbon dioxide is dominated by fossil fuel emissions.”

        Really ? Who are these ‘scientists’? How can a ‘science’ article contain such an outrageous statement?
        What’s the point of reading a ‘science’ article which contains no rationale, just scientists say?

        These are not real science articles. These are religious instruction.

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          TdeF

          The Wikipedia article on the Suess effect says “The concept was later extended to dilution of 13CO2 and to other reservoirs of carbon such as the oceans and soils.”

          No, others came later and the paper referenced is 1979 when Prof Suess was 72. The Suess effect has been hijacked.

          C14 measurements are absolute. Yes, there has been an attempt to extract other information from tiny differences between isotopic uptake between atoms which differ only in weight by 1/13th. This is not the Suess effect.

          The real problem with the Suess effect is that it proves Man Made Global Warming is rubbish because the CO2 levels are demonstrably not man made.

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            robert rosicka

            I love his books especially Cat in the Hat and Globull Warming .

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            TdeF

            “By studying how the concentration of 14C has changed in the atmosphere”

            That’s the whole point. It doesn’t change. Whoever wrote this drivel (presumably at NOAA) was totally ignorant of the basis of radio carbon dating which is constant C14 levels.

            More than half way through the 20th century in 1965 after the French atmospheric tests suddenly doubled aerial C14, we even saw exactly how fast the CO2 vanished into the oceans as the C14 vanished from the atmosphere.

            So we are able to say without fear of contradiction

            1. the decay is a perfect e-kt curve, a single massive sink. Not the Bern diagram.
            2. the half life of absorption of CO2 into the oceans is 14 years (not 80-infinity as told by the IPCC)
            3. there is no other significant component (return of CO2 from the biosphere, natural sources)
            4. there is no man made CO2 (fossil fuel, zero C14) in the air as the C14 level has returned to that of 20,000 years ago, unchanged. A large fossil fuel component in a short time would dramatically reduce the concentration of C14.

            So the whole man made CO2 thing is busted by simple incontrovertible scientific evidence. It remains to be amazed that people think there is any substance to man made anything. Humans do not and cannot control CO2 levels. We are the ants on the golf course.

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              theRealUniverse

              I havent got a link but I read that the C14 thing about ‘fossil’ fuels is wrong, and it is very hard, probably impossible, to determine which molecules of CO2 come from any fossil fuel.

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                TdeF

                No. It’s easy.

                The idea is one of reverse logic. There is no radioactive C14 in rotted plant matter over 100Million years old. The CO2 in the biosphere contains new C14, which is how radio carbon dating works.

                It works like a radioactive medical tracer in your system. New CO2 is tagged with C14. The old is not. So if the 50% increase in CO2 was all old CO2 from fossil fuel, there would be 2/3 of the amount of tagged CO2. In fact it is unchanged.

                This means there is no old CO2 in the air. How can that be? We know we burnt the oil/gas/diesel? A lot of it? What it means is that all this old CO2 vanished somewhere, to be replaced by new fresh CO2. Firstly that means the idea that fossil fuel hangs around forever is busted.

                More importantly, it means the level of CO2 is not set by what we have added accumulating. It is swept away by the sheer volume of CO2 being exchanged between the air and ocean. CO2 is in a massive equilibrium system and sets its own level.

                The very premise of CO2 building up on one side of the air/sea barrier is wrong. CO2 levels are naturally set by sea temperature. It means the sea surface is just a little bit warmer this century. Not our fault at all.

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                TdeF

                Perhaps I can make it simpler. The man made CO2 idea is that all the fuel output since 1900 has increased the CO2. CO2 has increased 50%.

                However old CO2 has no C14. Where new CO2 has C14.

                So the amount of C14 dioxide as a ratio to total Carbon dioxide should drop from 100% to 66%.
                In fact the ratio has not changed at all, apart from a major blip in 1965 where it doubled and is near normal again.

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                TdeF

                There are two gas systems, the atmosphere and the sea. Both contain CO2. In fact the sea contains 50x as much CO2 in total as the thin atmosphere above. This is because CO2 is very soluble, as you know from lemonade, beer, champagne. The pressures in the ocean are huge, so there is a huge amount dissolved.

                The IPCC says the sea plays no part in atmospheric CO2, that engine CO2 released in the air stays there forever. This is in total contradiction to everything we know. Fish have to breathe. The exchange is huge and rapid. So the idea that CO2 builds up on the land and does not go into the oceans is really a silly idea. It is part of that great equilibrium where we, the plants and the insects and the other animals, the fish and the sea mammals and the phytoplankton share the Oxygen and the Carbon Dioxide. In fact half of the oxygen we need comes from the sea.

                We could not change the CO2 levels on land if we tried. The amount of CO2 we release is really insignificant. In fact the total amount of CO2 in the air is only 2% of the total in the ocean. Warm the oceans and it goes up. That is what happened. Our little engines have made no difference. It is a really big planet.

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              gbees

              Thanks TdeF, KinkyKeith and others. I’ve got some reading to do. All good. Thanks.

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        thanks Tdef for several thousand words of stuff you made up

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    pat

    anyone know how the stats for wind and solar in windy, wet SA today?

    15 Oct: ABC: Major power outages and transport delays across Adelaide as windy weather hits
    The Bureau of Meteorology reported wind gusts of up to 80 kilometres per hour in the metropolitan area and more than 100kph at Mount Crawford on the Fleurieu Peninsula.
    More than 35,000 homes were without power at one point this morning — mostly in the inner-northern suburbs — causing delays as traffic lights blacked out…

    The bureau also issued a severe weather warning for damaging winds and hail in Adelaide and central country parts of South Australia, warning of gusts up to 100kph in an area from Leigh Creek to Renmark to Naracoorte.

    ***SA Power Networks spokesman Paul Roberts said substation issues were to blame for blackouts in suburbs such as Walkley Heights and Northfield…
    “We’re working to get people back as soon as we can, but [in] that particular outage we can get a large number of people back on quite quickly depending on the cause,” Mr Roberts said.
    He said smaller power outages were spread from Streaky Bay on the west coast to the Riverland near Renmark.

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    14 Oct: ClimateDepot: Marc Morano: Finally, a president who understands ‘global warming’! Trump: Scientists who promote ‘climate’ fears ‘have a very big political agenda’ – Full Transcript
    “I don’t know that it’s manmade. I will say this: I don’t want to give trillions and trillions of dollars. I don’t want to lose millions and millions of jobs.” … “I’m not denying climate change,” he said in the interview. “But it could very well go back. You know, we’re talking about over a … millions of years.”

    “They say that we had hurricanes that were far worse than what we just had with Michael,” said Trump, who identified “they” as “people” after being pressed by “60 Minutes” correspondent Leslie Stahl. She asked, “What about the scientists who say it’s worse than ever?” the president replied, “You’d have to show me the scientists because they have a very big political agenda.”…READ ON
    http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/10/14/finally-a-president-who-understands-global-warming-trump-scientists-who-promote-climate-fears-have-a-very-big-political-agenda/

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    crakar24

    Test post

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    crakar24

    Mt Crawford is not in the FP, no wind now perfectly still in Adelaide

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    Peter C

    The Rain in Alice Springs falls mainly at the Airport!

    It is interesting that according to the BOM graphs that Jo presents, there were two consecutive years 1976 and 1977 where the Alice Springs Post office recorded NO Rain at all.

    In those two same years the Alice Springs Airport recorded 550mm and 400mm.

    Is this another case of inaccurate BOM climate records?

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    DonS

    Hi Jo

    Speaking of the ABC I noticed they are heavily promoting a program dealing with Australia’s population debate. Guess who turns up as one of the “experts” they seek info from? Yes it’s none other than the greatest known Dr of dead mammals Tim Flannery himself! This time recast as an expert in the future of water resources, believe it or not.

    No number of failed predictions can apparently have a scientist of the right type excluded from the ABC’s list of go to experts. Recall how Perth is supposed to be a ghost city by now and how the last big drought was never going to end? No problem at the ABC, give that guy another go, after all he does tell them just the sort of things they like to hear i.e. we are all going to die from CO2 induced catastrophe.

    The problem is not that the ABC is out of control Jo but that it is controlled by a cabal of the uneducated, the politically green and journalistically incompetent. All over seen by weak boards and CEOs to afraid to take on the factions and clicks that really control what goes to air. It’s probably the same story in every government funded institution eg. universities etc…..

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    Neville

    Perhaps their clueless ABC could learn to look up the BOM NT rainfall anomaly graph?
    They would then understand just how terrible the rainfall was from 1900 to about 1972.
    In fact an 8 year moving trend line is way under average rainfall for that entire period and of course much higher rainfall since that time.
    Will these fools ever wake up?
    Here’s the BOM link.

    http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/timeseries.cgi?graph=rranom&area=nt&season=0112&ave_yr=8

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      el gordo

      Good catch Neville, you can see the great climate shift of 1976.

      So what happened to the wet season all those years?

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    pat

    lol.

    12 Oct: Guido Fawkes: Climate Change Committee Chairman guilty of misleading public
    Lord Deben, the Chairman of the influential Committee on Climate Change, has been found guilty by the BBC Executive Complaints Unit of misleading listeners of the Today Programme. The former Environment Secretary claimed that the government were preventing communities that want to build onshore wind farms from doing so:

    “What on earth is the government doing, saying that even where a community wants to have an onshore wind farm, it can’t have it. This is sheer dogma.”

    But the BBC Executive Complaints Unit found that the opposite is true: the Government has in fact devolved the decision to approve onshore wind turbines to local councils.
    The BBC acknowledged that “Lord Deben was presented as someone with a significant degree of expertise and knowledge in this area” and accepted that “he should have been challenged on this point to ensure listeners were not left with a materially misleading impression.”

    One consequence of the BBC’s decision not to invite sceptics on to its programmes any more is that guff from Gummer et al is more likely to go unchallenged…
    https://order-order.com/2018/10/12/climate-change-committee-chairman-guilty-misleading-public/

    ***links to BBC response:

    12 Oct: GWPF: BBC Finds Lord Deben Guilty Of Misleading The Public On Wind Farms
    The incident occurred on 28 June, when Deben was being interviewed by John Humphrys in advance of the CCC’s Progress Report to Parliament. During the segment, he claimed that the government was not allowing communities that wanted to build onshore wind farms to do so.
    He said: “What on earth is the government doing, saying that even where a community wants to have an onshore wind farm, it can’t have it. This is sheer dogma.”
    Yet, the opposite is true: the Government has devolved the decision to approve onshore wind turbines to local councils.

    Wind developers know full well that their projects are very unpopular with local people. That, and the crucial consideration that there are no more subsidies available, accounts for the fact that there are only a very small number of onshore wind projects in the planning system at present.
    In its ruling, Dominic Groves, Deputy Head of the BBC’s Executive Complaints Unit, said Lord Deben’s claim “does not appear to be supported by the evidence”.
    He went on to say: “Lord Deben was presented as someone with a significant degree of expertise and knowledge in this area … I think he should have been challenged on this point to ensure listeners were not left with a materially misleading impression.”

    Lord Deben also claimed that onshore wind power was the “cheapest form of producing electricity today”. This is false; the substantial network costs necessary to connect wind power to the national grid and manage its intermittency, make wind energy more expensive than gas even when the cost of carbon taxes are included.
    Responding to these false claims, Dr Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), wrote a letter of complaint to the BBC.

    Initially, the editors of the Today programme rejected the complaint. An appeal to the Executive Complaints Unit was successful and upheld the first part of his complaint (***LINK), relating to a supposed government ban on onshore wind. The GWPF now plans to refer the second part of the complaint, relating to the cost of generating electricity, to media watchdog Ofcom.
    Commenting on the BBC decision, Dr Peiser said:
    “We welcome the BBC’s public acknowledgment of the misleading statement by Lord Deben. In light of the BBC’s recently announced policy of banning sceptical voices from their programmes, there is now a growing risk that misleading claims by green campaigners and activists will go unchallenged.”
    https://www.thegwpf.org/bbc-finds-lord-deben-guilty-of-misleading-the-public-on-wind-farms/

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    behind paywall:

    13 Oct: UK Times: Pulling plug on green car grants will be ‘devastating’
    by Graeme Paton
    Huge reductions in subsidies for green cars will have a “devastating impact” on attempts to cut roadside emissions, the motor industry warned yesterday.
    The government was accused of throwing a “mad curveball” into the campaign to clean up Britain’s vehicle fleet by announcing that grants for environmentally friendly cars would be abolished or reduced.

    It was revealed yesterday that the Department for Transport would cut financial incentives for buying green cars from next month. The grant for pure electric cars — at present a maximum of £4,500 — will be reduced to £3,500, affecting vehicles such as the Nissan Leaf. Hybrid vehicles, which run on a mix of petrol or diesel and electric batteries, will no longer qualify at all. This includes bestsellers such as the Mitsubishi Outlander plug-in hybrid.…
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/05bc16aa-ce65-11e8-bde6-fae32479843d

    12 Oct: Guardian: Scrapping UK grants for hybrid cars ‘astounding’, says industry
    Government ends incentives to buy new hybrids and cuts those for electric vehicles
    by Gwyn Topham
    The plug-in car grant, which since 2011 has knocked £4,500 off the purchase price of a brand new electric vehicle, will be cut in early November by £1,000, while incentives of £2,500 to buy new hybrid cars will be abolished altogether.

    The Department for Transport (DfT) has not confirmed how long the grant for electric vehicles will be available but says it will support the purchase of 35,000 zero-emission cars, likely to run early into the next decade…

    Mike Hawes, the chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), said: “We understand the pressure on the public purse but, given the importance of environmental goals, it’s astounding that just three months after publishing its road to zero strategy, the government has reduced the incentive that gives consumers most encouragement to invest in ultra-low emission vehicles…
    Car dealers said the decision risked undermining progress in the low-emission sector…

    Any rush by consumers to buy while the grants are still available at the current rates could result in the 9 November deadline being brought forward, the DfT said…
    The DfT said it would also establish a £2m fund to subsidise new e-cargo bikes, offering up to £5,000 for businesses who replace older, polluting vans with the zero-emission cycles.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/12/scrapping-uk-grants-for-hybrid-cars-astounding-says-industry

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    10 Oct: EnergyVoice: Green campaigners hit out at Irish carbon tax u-turns
    Environmental campaigners have criticised the government’s u-turn on carbon tax as a “giant two-fingers” to the Paris Agreement.
    The government resisted calls to increase carbon tax despite a recommendation by the Climate Change Advisory Council to push up tax by 30 euro (£26) per tonne…

    The announcement has been widely criticised for its lack of commitment to tackle emissions.
    The Environmental Pillar said it is “deeply concerned” over the government’s refusal to bring in additional revenue through an increase of carbon tax.
    Charles Stanley-Smith, budgetary spokesman for the Environmental Pillar, said: “Ireland is facing multi-million euro fines from Europe if we do not meet our binding climate targets, so we can either have a carbon tax increase and reduce the amount of fines we are to pay or we can face higher fines that the average Joe will ultimately have to dig into his or her pocket to pay.
    “Budget 2019 was an opportunity to try and change this situation not just for our planet but for the health of the Irish people here and now. The Government has clearly gone in a disappointing direction.”

    Oisin Coghlan, Friends of Earth director, said: “The government’s u-turn on the carbon tax is a giant two-fingers to younger generations who will face climate chaos unless we act to drastically cut pollution.
    “A two-fingers to everyone under 35, a two-fingers to the Paris Agreement and a two-fingers to the hundreds of millions of people already living with the devastating impacts of climate change in Africa, Asia and Latin America.
    “The carbon tax is not a silver bullet. It is essential but not sufficient. But it does incentivise every other investment decision towards cleaner, less polluting options. And it can be done without penalising rural households or lower income families.”

    Chair of the advisory council Professor John FitzGerald said that carbon tax in Ireland was insufficient to achieve the national climate change objectives.
    “Any increase in carbon taxation should be accompanied by measures to address negative impacts on poorer households,” he said.
    “Carbon tax is a key component of transition to a low-carbon, climate-resilient and environmentally sustainable economy.
    “Budget 2019 is a missed opportunity to implement the necessary price signal for Ireland’s transition.”
    https://www.energyvoice.com/other-news/183491/green-campaigners-hit-out-at-irish-carbon-tax-u-turns/

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    pat

    plenty of dodgy figures, but even so it’s not looking good for the carbon cowboys. if the public knew of the plan for the price to rise and rise and rise!

    15 Oct: Bloomberg: Why Pricing Carbon Is Still More Theory Than Reality: QuickTake
    By Mathew Carr
    It’s an idea that’s been around for more than two decades: To slow climate change, make polluters pay for the damage they cause. More than 60 nations, states and cities have adopted what’s known as carbon pricing, an approach held up by environmentalists, global institutions and even many oil companies as an elegant, free-market approach to global warming — one that creates incentives to find the best solutions and avoids burdensome regulation. In practice, though, carbon pricing has proved politically difficult, reflecting pushback from the public as well as business groups…

    2. Is carbon pricing effective?
    Environmentalists say most policy makers have been unwilling to set prices high enough to force changes in behavior, or to make enough companies pay them. That said, the levies have encouraged more switching to cleaner natural gas, and their cost has begun to creep into electricity prices around the world. The U.K.’s carbon tax is credited with helping the country rapidly phase out coal…

    3. How widespread is it?
    About 40 countries or jurisdictions have developed markets or plan to do so. They include China, the European Union and a handful of U.S. states. About half that number have a carbon tax, from roughly $1 a metric ton in Mexico to $139 in Sweden. Many countries — such as the U.K. and most Scandinavian nations — use permit trading alongside targeted taxes on dirty fuels such as coal. Still, carbon pricing only covers about 20 percent of global emissions. California’s program, for example, is one of the few that includes transport fuels…

    4. How high does the price need to be?
    A price of about $40 a ton, among other climate policies, is needed to achieve targets in the 2015 United Nations Paris accord to stem climate change, according to a 2017 report from a commission of economists and scientists. The price would need to rise to more than $100 a ton by the middle of the century to keep up with the Paris pledges and encourage expensive technologies such as carbon capture and storage…

    5. Who’s opposed to carbon pricing?
    Political leaders have struggled to sell the system as it raised the cost of many goods and services, from steel to cement…Australia repealed its carbon tax in 2014 after it was blamed for destroying jobs. Carbon prices can hit the poor hardest by raising household energy prices, though that burden can be offset by redirecting revenue raised. But perhaps nowhere is the debate more heated than in Canada…

    6. Why is it an issue in Canada?
    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has made a national minimum carbon price a key part of his environment policy; it was set to start at C$10 per metric ton in January 2019 and rise to C$50 by 2022. It’s unpopular in provinces such as Ontario where power prices have soared, partly because of a shift to renewables. Trudeau’s rivals in the Conservative Party plan to make it a key issue in the country’s 2019 election…

    7. So is carbon pricing here to stay?
    Many environmentalists say the world will continue to fall short of its emissions goals unless there are carbon prices with real teeth. Many companies already use a “shadow” carbon price to test the viability of new projects…
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-14/why-pricing-carbon-is-still-more-theory-than-reality-quicktake?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google

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    MudCrab

    When she flicks over to the weather from reruns of Spicks and Specks, there’s fewer regional towns on the map than she remembers.

    Two points on this line.

    First is that after 22 years at a billion per year plus inflation, the ABC are offering up RERUNS of sodding Spicks and Specks? What are they claiming? That 1.5 degrees will destroy new locally made content?

    Second, there are fewer regional towns then she remembers.

    Let’s think about this line for a moment. Did she check the weather Monday and by Wednesday they had crossed Back-Of-Burke off the map?

    Or does this woman only check the weather once every couple of years?

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      robert rosicka

      Assuming She never travels much or far from Alice how many towns would we be talking about ?
      Well Hermansberg is sort of close and Tennant creek is a mere just up the road but apart from that not that much apart from Uluru.

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    robert rosicka

    OT and not sure if it’s been mentioned before but the Glorious leader of the Republic of Victoriastan is giving $50 to everyone in the socialist republic who uses the Govt energy switch website .
    I’m politely declining Herr Daniels offer because I know it just hits those who can’t afford it to pay for this brilliant vote buying bit of corruption.

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      Annie

      Neither will we…it stinks.

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      Greebo

      Red Dan goes to the polls in 40 days…. Sadly, there’s a very good chance he’ll be re-elected, which only goes to prove that around 50% of the people are open to bribery, and put self above nation.

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    Philip Petch

    My wife and I have just spent 4 days in Niue. The average temperature in New Zealand was about 12C, while the average temperature in Niue was about 25C with much higher humidity. It took us around 3 days to adjust, both in Niue and after getting back to New Zealand. We wouldn’t even notice 0.5C. What are they on about?

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    How Tamino proved himself wrong.

    Tamino has made it clear, that he is a slowdown, pause, and hiatus, denier.

    But in a recent post, Tamino has made a stupid mistake.

    In his eagerness to show how bad global warming is, Tamino has accidentally acknowledged that the recent slowdown exists.

    https://agree-to-disagree.com/how-tamino-proved-himself-wrong

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    tom0mason

    Surely only the true crassly gullible Australians would swallow such nonsense? Is Australia run by people who rely on such a population?

    “In a democracy people get the government they deserve …
    While in a dictatorship people rebel against the autocracy of the intolerable.”

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    ROM

    Off topic but it does cast even more doubt if any more is needed on the global warming / climate catastrophe meme. A climate catastrophe that “might” possibly occur if so many solar and unbiased, truth seeking climate researchers are correct about a possible maybe even a severe cold period begins in the Earth’s climate within the next decade or less.
    .

    Ryan Maue’s [ unofficial ] Record breaking temperatures around the world;

    A station has to have a 35 year long history to be included in this index ;
    ——————
    Last updated at Mon Oct 15 06:32:00 UTC 2018 using 2248 observations from 06UTC
    .

    Unofficially, there are currently 10 stations that have broken their daily high record, 8 that are tying it, and 20 that are near it.
    .

    Unofficially, there are currently 53 stations that have broken their daily low record, 7 that are tying it, and 38 that are near it.
    ——————-

    The record breaking cold temps are centralised around the Prairie provinces of Canada and the mid west of the USA.

    The record breaking warm temperatures are centred around Finland. [ see the site maps ]

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      theRealUniverse

      We are in a down turn of solar activity. There no doubt WILL be a significant cooling over the next 20 years. Like a new LIA (Dalton minimum).

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    Greg in NZ

    I tried reading through all of that but gave up after the third hotter/hot. Maybe like South Africa? Where this weekend just gone, snowing and freezing up on the tops (below link for photographic evidence). OK, so it wasn’t metres, more like 10-20 cm in places down to a dusting, but hey, it’s supposed to be too hot for this carry on, innit?

    http://snowreport.co.za/facebook/

    Also, my Chilean guests today were telling me about the ‘metres’ of snow which fell on their mountains just last week. They were soooo happy to be here walking (on a clean sandy beach by the Pacific Ocean) in the warm sun.

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    Crakar24

    They have replaced our pregnant weather lady with one that talks with a lisp, no matter despite logic and common sense roxby downs still records a 2C higher temp than Woomera. I suspect this is just another BOM fudge factor effect to pretend agw is really happening.

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      that is very subtle Craker. All those people who scan the weather charts of places they care nothing about will be fooled into thinking that global warming is happening.

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    Ted O'Brien.

    “475 people die from heat-related deaths each year”.

    Surely more than that die already. So how many will it be when the air conditioners go off in the blackouts?

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      ROM

      Ahh! The absolute and unprecedented precision of the data.

      Always so precise and so definite and so apparently putatively accurate whenever a tragedy, real, invented or just purely vaporous as occurring in the alarmist’s brain cells, can be rustled up to re-inforce the climate catastrophe meme.
      .

      475 people die from heat-related deaths each year”.
      .
      One of the most noted characteristics of the warmists / climate change catastrophists is the absolute precision of the numbers be they deaths or something equally morbid that they promote and propagandise, all done without the slightest evidence provided that their numbers are accurate and are not just nothing other than wild [snip] guesses plucked out of very thin air.

      There’s no joy at all to be found around climate alarmists who seemingly are beholden only to the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, ie; War, Pestilence, Famine and Death, all of which they seemingly and very happily promote by proposing that our modern civilisation with its life longetivity, its health and life saving advancements, its comforts , its ease of travel and its ever widening knowledge base, all to be forced back to the pre-industrial period where life for the most part and for most people was short, ugly, brutal and sickly.

      Natrurally the warmists and greens who promote such solutions to the non existent climate change problem assume that they themselves will unaffected by such drastic changes to our civilisation and that they personally will reside in complete comfort in their carefully constructed and carefully isolated from reality and the howling mob in their protected ideologically correct bubbles and cocoons.

      The Skeptics too have something to answer for;
      We assume. wrongly it seems, that the warmists and climate change catastrophists including a fairly large cabal of [ psuedo ] climate scientists, are intelligent enough to realise that any proposal they promote towards solving the non existent global warming /climate change problem will affect them equally along with all other citizens.

      In this it appears that the Skeptics are seemingly dramatically wrong and have given far too much weight to the levels of intelligence of the climate change believers.

      So far there is no evidence to be found at all that any such considerations have ever entered the minds of the climate change believers who are the most vehement in proposing the most drastic and dramatic changes to civilisation to counter the non existent climate change problem, including the destruction of the highly efficient and cheap energy systems that our civilisation is built upon and relies upon 100% to maintain its advanced features and its constant advances as we as a civilisation continue to move into the future.

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        ROM

        Sigh!
        In Moderation!
        Here we go again!

        I reckon that the “moderation” algorithm must have developed a love / hate relationship with ROM with the” I’ll fix him good” hate side predominant at the moment.

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    Ian McDermid

    Slightly off topic but I whilst setting up my modified TiVo I watched a program on 9 Life called Postcard. It was full of virtue signalling phrases like sustainable, carbon neutral etc and at one point they were saving the universe not just the world.

    Do the programmers at Channel 9 realize that by showing this garbage thay are looking ridiculous.

    I suppose 50% of the population believe this nonsense as illustrated by the combined labor/green vote.

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    15 Oct: BusinessReview: EU to invest in the future of the auto industry with billions in funding for companies building electric battery plants
    by Anca Alexe
    The European Union is planning to allow state aid for electric battery research and offer billions of euros in co-funding to companies who can build giant battery factories, similar to Tesla’s gigafactory in Nevada, according to the Financial Times.

    The plans have surfaced amid concerns that the bloc’s auto industry, which employs 13 million people, could fall behind in the race to build electric vehicles due to their reliance on batteries from Asia
    “We know very clearly that the future is electric and we simply have to catch up with this (battery) technology,” said Maros Sefcovic, energy vice-president at the European Commission…

    EU member states will be able to fund 100 percent of research as long as it involves cross-border projects. The Horizon 2020 fund has EUR 200 million available for battery projects, and another EUR 800 million is available for building demonstration facilities. Regions can apply for the EUR 22 billion available in regional funds, while the European Fund for Strategic Investment by the European Investment Bank can also co-fund such initiatives.
    http://business-review.eu/business/auto/eu-to-invest-in-the-future-of-the-auto-industry-with-billions-in-funding-for-electric-battery-plants-187782

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    28 Sept: Hoffman Centre/Chatham House: Redefining Electric Resources
    Walt Patterson argues that treating ‘run-of-the-river’ hydro, wind and solar electricity as consumable commodities is fundamentally inconsistent and has important implications for policy and investment.
    Solar photovoltaic (PV) generation likewise harvests the energy of the ***continuous natural process of sunlight, ‘consuming’ nothing. But unlike fire, fission-based power, hydro power or wind power – solar PV power operates with no mechanical moving parts, reducing requirements for maintenance and replacement and their concomitant resource ‘consumption’…

    However, with ‘run-of-the-river’ hydro, and yet more so of wind and solar generation, treating electricity as a commodity to be consumed is fundamentally flawed. Nothing is ‘consumed’ to generate this electricity – nothing physical at any rate…

    They create durable physical assets that become infrastructure – infrastructure that produces electricity. The financial transactions involved are investments – not short-term transactions like those for commodities that are consumed. And the revenue streams for infrastructure electricity are determined by long-term business relationships – not short-term commodity transactions or markets…READ ON
    https://hoffmanncentre.chathamhouse.org/article/electricresources/

    About Hoffman Centre, Chatham House:
    The Hoffmann Centre’s mission is to accelerate the uptake of smart policies, technologies and business models that will reshape the world’s demand for resources and transform the global economy…
    Core Supporter:
    MAVA Foundation
    Project supporters:
    Children’s Investment Fund Foundation, Climate & Land Use Alliance

    Wikipedia: Luc Hoffmann (23 January 1923 – 21 July 2016)…He co-founded the World Wildlife Fund (WWF)…
    In 2012, Luc Hoffmann’s MAVA Foundation, along with WWF International, established the Luc Hoffmann Institute…
    With Peter Scott, Julian Huxley, Max Nicholson and others, Hoffmann became a founder member of the World Wildlife Fund in 1961…He was appointed as its vice-president at the inaugural meeting and served in that role until 1988. He was made vice-president emeritus in 1998…
    In 1994, Hoffmann established the MAVA Foundation…
    Duke of Edinburgh Conservation Medal awarded by the World Wide Fund for Nature (1998)…
    Hoffmann’s grandfather, Fritz Hoffmann-La Roche, founded the company Hoffmann-La Roche in 1896…

    Wikipedia: The Children’s Investment Fund Foundation
    The Clinton Foundation lists CIFF among 7 organisations from which it received more than US$25 million.
    Key people: Mark Malloch-Brown, Acting Chairman

    Wikipedia: Mark Malloch Brown, Baron Malloch-Brown
    George Mark Malloch Brown, Baron Malloch-Brown KCMG PC is a former UK government minister (2007 – 2009) and United Nations Deputy Secretary-General (2006), as well as development specialist at the World Bank and United Nations (1994 – 2005), and a communications consultant and journalist. He was Minister of State in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office of the British Labour party government…
    He is also a former journalist for The Economist, development specialist, and communications consultant…member of the Executive Committee of the International Crisis Group…

    About Climate & Land Use Alliance: We’re a collaborative of foundations that believe forests and sustainable land use are an essential part of the global response to climate change. Our member foundations include:
    ClimateWorks Foundation; The David & Lucille Packard Foundation; Ford Foundation; Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation; The Margaret A. Cargill Philanthropies and Good Energies Foundation work in alignment with the Alliance.

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    pat

    no comments, Harrabin? do you get a badge for this condescending drivel?

    14 Oct: BBC: Is meat’s climate impact too hot for politicians?
    By Roger Harrabin
    Scientists say we ought to eat much less meat because the meat industry causes so many carbon emissions.
    But the climate minister Claire Perry has told BBC News it is not the government’s job to advise people on a climate-friendly diet.
    She would not even say whether she herself would eat less meat.
    Ms Perry has been accused by Friends of the Earth of a dereliction of duty. They say ministers must show leadership on this difficult issue.
    But the minister – who is personally convinced about the need to tackle climate change – is anxious to avoid accusations of finger-wagging…

    Why Ms Perry wants to protect steak and chips
    She said: “I like lots of local meat. I don’t think we should be in the business of prescribing to people how they should run their diets.”
    When asked whether the Cabinet should set an example by eating less beef (which has most climate impact), she said: “I think you’re describing the worst sort of Nanny State ever.
    “Who would I be to sit there advising people in the country coming home after a hard day of work to not have steak and chips?… Please…”
    Ms Perry refused even to say whether she agreed with scientists’ conclusions that meat consumption needed to fall…

    A dereliction of duty?
    Craig Bennett from Friends of the Earth responded: “The evidence is now very clear that eating less meat could be one of the quickest ways to reduce climate pollution.
    “Reducing meat consumption will also be good for people’s health and will free up agricultural land to make space for nature.
    “It’s a complete no-brainer, and it’s a dereliction of duty for government to leave the job of persuading people to eat less meat to the green groups.”
    He said the government could launch information campaigns, change diets in schools and hospitals, or offer financial incentives…

    Supper with the Perry family
    Ms Perry said later that her own typical family meal is not steak and chips, but a stir-fry, which brings the taste and texture of meat into a dish dominated by vegetables. But she did not want to say this on camera.
    She agreed it was appropriate for the government to advise people on healthy diets because the obesity epidemic is costing taxpayers more in health bills, but implied that this principle did not apply when considering the health of the planet.
    Her fear of being condemned in the media as a bossy politician highlights the difficulty of the next phase of climate change reductions.

    Until now, 75% of CO2 reductions in the UK have come from cleaning up the electricity sector. Many people have barely noticed the change…

    Experts generally agree that for healthy lives and a healthy planet, the battle over climate change will have to get personal.
    That could mean people driving smaller cars, walking and cycling more, flying less, buying less fast fashion, wearing a sweater in winter… and eating less meat…

    Ms Perry’s comments came as she launched Green GB week, which aims to show how the UK can increase the economy while also cutting emissions.
    She will formally ask advisers how Britain can cut emissions to zero.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45838997

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    pat

    can you believe they are dragging this out again?

    14 Oct: UK Times: Why climate change could mean the end of snow
    Many scientists believe the end of the age of snow will be only decades away.
    Giles Whittell investigates
    Four years ago almost to the day, a Yorkshire policeman named Paul Sherridan nearly drowned in snow. He was trekking round Annapurna in Nepal and had reached the highest point on the circuit. On the morning of October 12, 2014, he and more than 100 others were ambushed by a frozen cyclone from the Bay of Bengal. The blizzard was so intense, he says, it was like “being under water and not knowing whether to swim up or down. Then add winds so strong they’ll knock you off your feet. Then cold that will freeze your eyeballs, and sound so loud it’s like standing next to a plane on a runway.”
    Sherridan was breaking a trail through waist-deep snow on the descent from a 17,000ft…
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-climate-change-could-mean-the-end-of-snow-l97xrfqt8

    Sherridan was luckier than these poor souls:

    15 Oct: BBC: Himalayan storm: Climbers’ bodies removed from Nepal mountain
    The bodies of nine climbers who died when a violent snowstorm destroyed their camp on a Himalayan peak in Nepal have been retrieved.
    The five South Koreans and four Nepali guides were found scattered across the base camp near Mount Gurja…
    The climbers – led by Mr Kim – had been waiting for a window of good weather so they could reach the summit, when the storm hit Friday…
    The base camp, which is at least one-day’s trek from the nearest village, is at 3,500m…
    According to the Himalayan Database, no-one has stood on Gurja’s summit since 1996…
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45859649

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    pat

    this writer loves paywalls and wishful thinking:

    13 Oct: Quartz: Climate change is becoming so real that it’s gaining converts for a carbon price
    By Akshat Rathi
    By any standard, this has been a remarkable week for conversations about climate change.
    It started with a grim report from the International Panel on Climate Change…
    Then, the Nobel Prize in economics was awarded to William Nordhaus and Paul Romer for explaining how climate change and technological progress impact long-term economic growth…
    And the week comes to a close as two deadly storms—Hurricane Michael in the southeast US and Cyclone Titli in eastern India—continue to cause widespread devastation. These extreme weather events are tell-tale signals of global warming…

    But there are signs that more meaningful action isn’t out of reach. The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development has declared that solar- and wind-power projects are now the cheapest new power plants to build almost anywhere in the world (paywall)…

    Climate activists aren’t just going after the usual suspects, such as Big Oil, but also after ***pension funds that finance fossil-fuel firms (paywall)…

    Speaking of finance, insurance companies are now hiring climatologists to better price the risks the world is facing (paywall)…

    “I would love to give up these investment opportunities in a second if people would listen and stop polluting the environment,” one investor told Bloomberg (paywall)…“If people are making money off it, that gets attention.”…
    https://qz.com/1422126/climate-change-is-forcing-investors-to-put-a-price-on-carbon/

    14 Oct: Axios: Felix Salmon: The cost of climate change
    There’s $500 trillion of wealth on planet Earth, give or take: Maybe $230 trillion in land and property, $200 trillion in debt and $70 trillion in equity.

    The big picture: All of that wealth comes, ultimately, from the planet, and the climate. Specifically, it has come from a stable climate. William Nordhaus points out in his 2013 book “The Climate Casino” that “the last 7,000 years have been the most stable climatic period in more than 100,000 years.” The last 7,000 years have also seen the rise of civilization and the creation of that $500 trillion in wealth. This is not a coincidence…

    Where things stand: Human civilization has reached the very end of reaping the dividends from a stable climate. Compared to recent decades, the world in 2100 will have a 13% reduction in crop yields (and those crops will also be less nutritious); it will also have 2.8 billion more people at risk from drought in any given month…

    Preventing extreme global warming will be neither cheap nor easy…
    The bottom line: Both Nordhaus and the IPCC report make clear that we will have to tax carbon. That incentivizes investment in alternatives, while deliberately making our current carbon-heavy lives less sustainable.
    It’s hard to get to 1.5°C with a carbon tax alone. The lowest figure for doing that in the IPCC report is $135 per ton in 2030, rising to $690 in 2100; the highest estimate is $5,500 per ton in 2030 and $27,000 per ton in 2100…
    https://www.axios.com/climate-change-costs-wealth-carbon-tax-303d7cff-3085-49d9-accb-ec77689b9911.html

    15 Oct: Axios: Want to tax carbon emissions? Just don’t call it a tax
    by Amy Harder
    Economists worry the name game could backfire.
    “Other terms may poll better, and if changing the name helps pass a bill, that’s fine with me,” said Adele Morris, an economist at the Brookings Institution with prior stints in the Treasury Department and Congress. “I do worry there’s a downside risk that proponents of another label will be accused of obfuscating the policy’s true tax-like nature.”…

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    pat

    14 Oct: Breitbart: John Nolte: CNN’s Freak Show of Violence and Racism Hit 17 New Lows This Week
    Here is the thing that is so amusing about CNN… Pretty much every day the far-left network engages in numerous acts of self-humiliation. A Don Lemon or Chris Cuomo or Jake Tapper or Brian Stelter says or does something that forever stains their character, that reveals the hideous person beneath … and for what?

    If CNN had anything other than tragic ratings, if CNN were in second place or even close to second place, I could understand the shamelessness, the tabloid approach to covering politics. But CNN’s ratings are not only awful, they are miraculously awful. Not only is CNN in far-last place, The Least Trusted Name In News does not even have a breakout star or show. Throughout all of last quarter, and only in competition with two other networks (MSNBC and Fox), not a single CNN show — not even one — placed in the top 20…READ ON
    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/10/14/nolte-cnns-freak-show-of-violence-and-racism-hit-17-new-lows-this-week/

    VIDEO: 2min57sec: CNN How media can improve climate change coverage
    CNN Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter
    The network nightly newscasts spent more time covering Kanye West than an alarming new report on climate change. ***Genevieve Guenther says the climate crisis is still treated too often like a science section story, and merits more sustained coverage from the news media.
    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2018/10/14/how-media-can-improve-climate-change-coverage-rs.cnn/video/playlists/business-reliable-sources/

    ***Medium.com: Genevieve Guenther: Author. Founder & Director of ***EndClimateSilence.org. Lecturer at The New School & Affiliate Faculty at its Tishman Environment and Design Center
    This is a transcript of my testimony at the People’s Hearing on the EPA’s repeal of the Clean Power Plan, organized by NY Attny General Eric Schneiderman, NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio, and NYC Councilmember Costa Constantinides, hosted by The New School, 9 January 2018:

    To Scott Pruitt and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency:
    I am a part-time professor in the Literary Studies department of The New School and affiliate faculty at the Tishman Environment and Design Center, but today I testify in my capacity not as an academic and writer, but as a mother. I speak to you today on behalf of my eight-year-old son, and on behalf of all the children of New York State. These children deserve a habitable planet. America must not repeal, but enforce the Clean Power Plan. In fact, America must go all the way to powering our economy on 100% renewables…
    https://medium.com/@DoctorVive/this-is-a-transcript-of-my-testimony-at-a-peoples-hearing-on-the-epa-s-repeal-of-the-clean-power-79c5a4e0d35b

    EndClimateSilence.org: Advisory Board (includes)
    ***Michael Mann, PhD, Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science, Penn State University
    Director, Earth System Science Center

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    yarpos

    Just the usual crescendo of coordinated stupidity that comes with every IPCC session.

    File this with Perth will be a ghost town, the dams will never fill, there will be climate armageddon by assorted dates since 1980, the arctic will melt by 2012, our children will never know snow, and assorted low lying poor nations will be submerged (some well overdue already and why does nobody care about the Netherlands?).

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    Leo Morgan

    We already know the horror of life to come after thousands of years of temperature half a degree warmer.
    It’s the hellish, unlivable climate they have a 150 kilometres closer to the equator than wherever you currently are.

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