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Turnbull stays – can’t last

Good news for people who like political drama. Turnbull lives on, as does the lack of unity, purpose and meaning of The Australian Liberals.

Malcolm Turnbull wins partyroom ballot against Peter Dutton 48-35

The Australian

Malcolm Turnbull has won a leadership ballot against Peter Dutton in the Liberal partyroom by 48 votes to 35 and Peter Dutton has resigned to the back bench.

Dennis Shanahan:

Malcolm Turnbull’s victory in the leadership ballot has solved little for the Liberal Party.

It has also shortened the odds of an election before Christmas and confirmed the rebellion against the Prime Minister is far wider than just a few malcontents.

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186 comments to Turnbull stays – can’t last

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    Tom R Hammer

    The voters will have the final say and it won’t be pretty for the Libs, but it will be well deserved.

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      TdeF

      A new PM is desperately needed. To give the voters choice other than between Shorten’s Labor/Green policies and Malcolm’s Green/Labor policies.

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        TdeF

        I also believe betrayal is now common place. Teresa May’s Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn’s Labor. Malcolm Turnbull’s Liberals. Like the Greens, say what you have to say to win power and then do what you like.

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          TdeF

          This is the new reality of politics, control and intimidate the party room. Damn the rusted on voters. They have nowhere to go.

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            Sceptical Sam

            There are subset of those rusted on voters TdeF. They all have somewhere to go. A hung Parliament would not be a bad outcome in the circumstances.

            However, Dutton/Abbott will be in control before Christmas. Then there will be a real choice.

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            el gordo

            Whoa … Dutton will form the new government from the backbench and strike when the iron is hot.

            Better to have the election at the normal time, if possible, we need more time to educate ourselves on climate change. As Tony remarked a few weeks ago, this is what the coming election is all about and we can’t lose.

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              TdeF

              Educate on Climate Change? Hardly necessary with Abbott who called it crap. How clear is that? I think after thirty years of this most Australians would agree. Even if they believed it was half true, doing nothing seems to be working fine. At least for the US, China, India, Russia and just about everyone else. No, Climate Change has passed. It is not a hot potato. Electricity prices and migration/invasion are hot topics. Law and order in Victoria. Drought proofing the country, not pumping water uphill but to where it is needed.

              We nearly became the world’s first official Climate patsies. Legislating an optional agenda.

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                yarpos

                Having just rescued/relocated my mother in law from the south west Sydeny combat zone, I find the current focus on law and order in Victoria a bit hollow. Many places have issues, they ebb and flow. Glad I dont live in the city anywhere.

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                William

                Tony Abbott may have said about the global warming fiasco that “its a load of crap”.
                But he didn’t say it when it counted. That’s why he got knifed.

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        Sceptical Sam

        Nothing has changed here. Seven additional votes for Abbott/Dutton and Turnbull is gone.

        There’s still time to establish the reset and be more than viable against the smarmy Shorten.

        I can’t see an early election. I can see another challenge shortly though. And, a successful one.

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          angry

          I pray that that is the case!

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          Hanrahan

          I can see another challenge shortly though. And, a successful one.

          Yes we need a new leader, but who? Up until this last week and the NEG fiasco I had written off Abbott on the basis that all the haters would still be there doing what they do best. Now I am not so sure, maybe he should throw his hat into the ring.

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          PeterPetrum

          According to Ben Fordham (2GB) Dutton will challenge this Thursday! A few phones ringing hot in CANBERRA from now to then – I would think.

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            Komrade Kuma

            I think you are on the money there Peter. Dutton must have had some comfort from his private discussions with colleagues and an idea of the numbers but I doubt the other side did. The reality is now out there of how far MT Rumball has slipped into his own merde. Think about the Nats in the coalition and redo the numbers and MT is toast.

            This has echos of Keating v Hawke round 1 and even then Hawke was not loathed rather the ALP just new his time was up and PK’s turn had arrived.

            MT has had two turns and he has fluffed them both as did KRudd. His capacity for ill considered calls (utegate and Copenhagen carbon tax back then and NEG w Paris Targets on top of two utterly empty, soulless campaigns). Trying to advocate big end tax cuts but being gormlessly unaware of or trying to cover up the vile behaviour of big finance is another big greasy skid mark on his undies. MT are as perfect initial for him as BS are for that grub across the chamber.

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          Rosco

          I’d bet that Turnbull wouldn’t hesitate in resigning and bringing down the government when he knows it is all over.

          I’d bet he has already made that plain to his “colleagues” !

          Turnbull has never stood for anything other than Turnbull for PM – he is a far worse poseur than Peacock ever was.

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      Geoff

      The PM is about to call an early election. A smart Lucy move when you are in an unwinnable position. Make a deal with Shorten to be head of the UN.

      Loser…….. Australia.

      Winner…….. Lucy, Queen of Planet Earth.

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    ColA

    That was only round one, rushed on by Turncoat. Dutton will now gather himself and support on the backbench for round two.

    Popcorn anyone! :-)

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    TdeF

    As Denis Shanahan writes, Dutton is now free to campaign from the back bench with Abbott and friends.

    35 is a huge result. Now only 7 need to change their vote and that is so much easier when you are joining 35 who have already declared. Malcolm has no strength, no credibility and only one seat. Even if he gets Dutton thrown out and a byelection he will lose his majority before Christmas.

    So two likely things. Firstly a new PM in two weeks. Then an election before Christmas.

    Watch for an attempt to appoint Julie Bishop as the new Governor General in 2020. That is the surest sign that escape plans are in place.

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      TdeF

      Also as was pointed out, everyone knew about Dutton’s potential conflict of interest and he recused himself where appropriate. To raise it now is a sign of desperation and ultimately may be a shot in his own foot by Turnbull. Shorten had no reason to raise it.

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      Greebo

      35 is a huge result

      Especially from a standing start. It should be remembered, this wasn’t a challenge. Turnbull declared the leadership vacant and invited nominees. Dutton accepted. There was no prep. I’m not saying numbers weren’t being counted, but with no declared candidate who were they being counted for? Now Dutton has openly declared things will likely change fast. They’ll need to before the Prime Snake goes to the GG.

      Email your MPs.

      Speaking of MPs, has anyone sen a list of who the 48 were?

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      Craig Thomas

      No.
      35 is a steep dwindle on the amount of support Abbot got when he was narrowly voted leader for a short while.
      What it means is that there are fewer and fewer Liberal MPs willing to make themselves look stupid by being party to Abbott’s absolute nonsense.

      Everything Abbott does appears to be aimed at securing the next election for the ALP.
      Who knows, maybe Abbott likes it when the Aussie taxpayer has to spend $billion$ dealing with the illegal immigrants the ALP attracts?

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    Dave

    Turnbull still has 48 sheep left.

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    gbees

    I guess we’ll never get to see the list of MPs who voted for Turnbull? I’d like to know how my MP voted.

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    Greg in NZ

    This is how NZ’s Pravda reported it this morning:

    Boil over from energy policy

    “Mr Turnbull’s original energy policy, which was trying to deliver cheaper energy, more reliability and lower emissions, enjoyed broad support – even in his party room.”

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/364564/malcolm-turnbull-wins-leadership-challenge

    The cartoons during the next 48 hours will be a hoot!

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      Komrade Kuma

      Annie Proulx summed up the msm perfectly with her scene in The Shipping News. Observing fluffy cumulus clods in the distance the newspaper editor says that the story to write is “Deadly Storm Threatens Town” When it is pointed out they are hardly storm clouds the editor retorts, ‘thats tomorrow’s headline’ “Town Saved From Deadly Storm”!

      Like the 300 editorial imbeciles coordinating an editorial assault on POTUS Trump’s assertiona that they all just manufacture ‘fake news’ to suit their agenda. Errr QED?

      The entire msm is Pravda now. A free and independent media is soooo un cool. Its groupthink/talk or sphincter clenching, angry, indignant silence.

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    PeterS

    Rumours are floating that Turnbull will do the unthinkable and call an early election to block any further attempts to remove him as leader. He is a desperate man and if he does call one early it proves he’s either a mad man or an ALP mole because we all know what will happen if an election was called now.

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      PeterS

      PM’s office has just stated there will be no early election.

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        David Maddison

        And a politician’s word is worth what…?

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          PeterS

          I often trust Abbott’s word.

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            philthegeek

            I often trust Abbott’s word.

            there is a triumph of optimism over experience.

            “No wrecking, sniping or undermining” :)

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              el gordo

              Ummm … Tony Abbott is an honourable man.

              Breaking Nooze: The Assistant Treasurer has just handed in his front bench seat, but we don’t know if Turnbull will accept it.

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                Dave

                The Assistant Treasurer is a SHE

                Isn’t it Kelly O’Dwyer?

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                el gordo

                My bad, Assistant Minister to the Treasurer, Michael Sukkar.

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                Craig Thomas

                Don’t worry, we don’t come here for accurate information.

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                Komrade Kuma

                Abbott certainly thinks he is an honorable man but I guess so did all those archbishops covering up for paedophiles think they were doing the right thing protecting the Church. I just think Abbott is a galoot who justifies his silenced sniping in similar fashion, i.e. based on some greater good of his own imagining. That is not a defence of MT Rumball but don’t give me Abbott as a solution, well he will be a final solution to the ‘liberal problem’ I suppose and permanently shift a huge and decisive chunk of the electorate to the ALP/Greens.

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              Greebo

              Abbott kept quiet until well after the 2016 DD. After that he spoke out about POLICY. He never attacked Turnbull personally, not once. As for “sniping”. I have a dictionary you can borrow.

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        Greebo

        PM’s office gave Labor the NEG papers before the Coalition. Who trusts them now?

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    Parliamentary democracy on a razor’s edge.

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      PeterS

      Yeap, the LNP is split roughly in half. The left half should be booted out and new members assigned who will toe the real LNP line of centre-right politics.

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        Craig Thomas

        No, that was 2 years ago.
        It is now split 3:2.
        The Liberals are in charge.
        The lunatics can split off and follow Abbott into the wilderness if they want.

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      Hanrahan

      Parliamentary democracy on a razor’s edge.

      This is merely politics, not a constitutional crisis.

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    pat

    yesterday:

    20 Aug: AFR: Ben Potter: Think the Paris CO2 target is hard? You ain’t seen nothing yet
    Climate experts say a series of talks leading up to and beyond the 24th Conference of the Parties to the UN climate agreements in Poland in December (COPS24) will have a greater sense of urgency after a horror northern hemisphere summer in which hundreds have died in record heat and fires across California, Canada, Greece, Portugal, Japan and Korea.
    Australia’s unseasonably warm winter, drought, August bushfires and Bureau of Meterology predictions that a hot, dry spring could make things worse will also add to pressure on the government, which is unable to agree on a 26 per cent emissions target for the electricity sector let alone the nation’s economy wide Paris pledge.
    The danger is that the patience of trading partners and allies with Australia’s stumbling progress towards compliance with the Paris agreement will run out as the physical risks of accelerating climate change come home to roost, said Emma Herd, chief executive of the Investor Group on Climate Change, a group that presses companies to transition to clean energy.

    The northern hemisphere summer and the processes of the Paris agreement itself – including a report from the Intergovernmental panel on Climate Change (IPCC) which is expected to find climate change accelerating – “will galvanise action,” Ms Herd told The Australian Financial Review…

    Pressure on Australia will come from other governments and the private sector, Peter Castellas, chief executive of the Carbon Market Institute, said in an email from the US. Twenty-three countries, including Germany, France, United Kingdom and Canada, have signed a “Declaration for Ambition” to ratchet up their emissions targets…
    And next month San Francisco hosts a Global Climate Action Summit at which private utilities and other firms – including from Australia – will showcase their carbon abatement efforts…
    Ms Herd, whose group represents managers of more than $1 trillion of Australian money, said Australia’s endless debate about how to meet existing targets while other nations looked at increasing their targets was frustrating firms…

    CSIRO advised the government last year that electricity sector emissions needed to fall by 52-70 per cent from 2005 levels by 2030 for Australia to meet its Paris pledge for a 26 per cent economy wide emissions cut because emissions can be cut more easily and cheaply in the power grid than in agriculture, transport and heavy industry…
    https://www.afr.com/news/think-the-paris-co2-target-is-hard-you-aint-seen-nothing-yet-20180818-h145sx

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      pat

      yesterday:

      20 Aug: ClimateChangeNews: Australia: Conservative MPs gut emissions legislation, citing Trump
      By Karl Mathiesen
      Referring to Donald Trump’s promise to withdraw the US from the Paris climate deal, Abbott tweeted on Sunday: “Emissions targets that made sense three years ago when all countries were supposed to be in Paris and we didn’t need policy change and wouldn’t face economic dislocation do not make sense now.” …

      Alden Meyer, director of strategy and policy at the Washington DC-based Union of Concerned Scientists, said the U-turn was a “troubling development”.
      Asked whether Trump’s Paris withdrawal was strengthening opponents of climate action around the world, Meyer said there were “troubling signs in the Brazilian presidential race”, where a leading candidate has advocated following the US out of the deal. But he said most countries seemed willing to stick to their current, voluntary pledges to the Paris deal…

      That committent will be tested, however, when countries are asked to raise ambition in the coming years even as the US moves backwards.
      “I can envision anti-climate action interests asking ‘why should we do more, when the world’s largest economy is proposing to do less?’ It’s a phony argument, of course, as the costs of climate inaction swamp the short-term costs associated with reducing emissions,” said Meyer.
      The shelving of the Turnbull government’s major energy reform comes in the same week the Trump administration will announce a major rollback of US climate policy.
      The revision of the Clean Power Plan, which was the centrepiece of Barack Obama’s climate legislation, will devolve decisions over coal emissions to states, according to Politico. This loosening of federal controls mean the cuts that would have achieved the US Paris targets are now in danger, experts have warned…

      With the government’s emissions targets now pushed aside indefinitely, campaigners are looking to an election that must be held before November next year to bring policy into line with promises.
      “The Australian Conservation Foundation, and our half million supporters, will be highly active during the upcoming federal election to hold all our elected representatives to account for their position on climate change,” said chief executive officer Kelly O’Shanassy. “If they do not measure up we will say so, and vocally, within the communities they purport to represent.”

      Labor leader Bill Shorten gave a press conference on Monday standing in front of a solar farm. He said Turnbull should “show real conviction” and stand up “to the people in his party who want to hold the future back”, he said. Shorten invited Turnbull to talk to Labor and work to find bipartisan support…

      Abbott, meanwhile, argues an electoral fight on climate change is the only way for the government to stay in power next election.
      Turnbull’s humiliation on Monday is the latest in a decade of bloody feuds with Abbott over climate change. In 2009, Turnbull lost the leadership of the opposition Liberal party to Abbott after Turnbull backed the then-Labor government’s emissions trading scheme.
      At that time, Turnbull said he would not lead a party that was not as committed to action on climate change as he was…

      In the past few days, both Dutton and Turnbull have tried to quell speculation of a leadership challenge. In 2015, Dutton was caught on microphone mocking Pacific islanders, whom he joked were probably late to a meeting with him because their homes were flooding due to rising seas.
      http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/08/20/australia-conservative-mps-gut-emissions-legislation-citing-trump/

      19 Aug: Washington Times: Stephen Moore: ‘Who’s the cleanest of them all’
      (Stephen Moore, a columnist for The Washington Times, is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation and an economic consultant at FreedomWorks)
      GRAPHIC: Paris Accord Flop
      No European countries are meeting their targets for emission reductions agreed to in the Paris Climate Accord
      All but 5 countries aren’t even at 50% of their current targets.
      https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/19/the-united-states-didnt-sign-the-paris-climate-acc/

      UNFCCC: To this date, 179 Parties have ratified of 197 Parties to the Convention

      12 Jul: ClimateChangeNews: Which countries have not ratified the Paris climate agreement? (RUSSIA, IRAN, TURKEY, COLOMBIA, ETC)
      Nearly three years after it was agreed, more than a tenth of global emissions are generated in countries that have not formally adopted the deal
      By Soila Apparicio
      But once Liberia makes it official, 18 nations will remain yet to ratify, including some major emitters. In total, these countries account for around 11% of global greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions…

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        OriginalSteve

        I was having an discussion with an intelligent work colleague who wanted to get rid of “dirty coal” and go renewables.

        What followed wasn’t pretty exposing his lack of understanding engineering and embrace of pie-in-the-sky greenie ignorance of wanting to use “solar and batteries”…

        I gave him the rounds of the kitchen table, court style cross-examination, questioning him on how much it would cost, how much work would be involved, how would it work, how do you maintain base load power, how do you recharge electric vehicles in the back of beyond. Eventually the white flag was run up as he had no real answers. His attitude was “we’ll work it out” but happy to crash the economy to meet a green ideal. Scary.

        Now this guy was smart…although that said, intelligence is no guarantee of actually being wise…..

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          yarpos

          All kinds of people are smart/have a high IQ. Whether they use it at all, use it for good or mayhem is something else all together. I’m starting to think that understanding the underlying lies of AGW has more to do with the degree of common sense a person has, rather than being an intellectual powerhouse.

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          William

          I read a book a while ago; it was entitled “Why are so many highly intelligent people so stupid”.
          All you have to do is read the title, and you really know all you have to.

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            Craig Thomas

            I’ve got a book called “Why a Gish-Gallop gives the Delusional so much Confidence in their own Opinions”.

            I’d offer to lend it to you, but I think it might have too many long words in it for you.

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      RickWill

      The danger is that the patience of trading partners and allies with Australia’s stumbling progress towards compliance with the Paris agreement will run out as the physical risks of accelerating climate change come home to roost, said Emma Herd, chief executive of the Investor Group on Climate Change, a group that presses companies to transition to clean energy.

      It is quite clear Emma Herd is dead wrong. The only concern our trading partners have right now is our inability to ship coal to them as fast as they want it.
      https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/d09cae1936aaf80187148dfd037405bb?width=650

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      Graeme No.3

      pat:

      Where does the AFR get them from? The Guardian? The ABC?

      So countries are announcing higher targets in 2030, so what? How many of the politicians opening their mouths will be in power in 12 years?

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    Don’t be long about it, Libs. I want my coal. It’s so shiny and plush and beautiful. Centuries of reliable, constant supply, lying in our own backyard, just waiting to be picked up. An offer you can’t refuse.

    The alternatives are a refuse you can’t offer.

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    PeterS

    Graham Richardson (former ALP politician) says when Dutton becomes PM he should start the ball rolling to build one or two coal fired power stations, cut immigration and put Abbott on the front bench. Come to think about it we would have been far better off with Richardson as leader of the LNP over the past few years than Turnbull! Turnbull should resign from the party as soon as he loses the leadership.

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    TdeF

    You know when a Minister assures the Prime Minister of total support that he is going to stand for the job. Malcolm forced the issue by declaring the job vacant. Then Dutton was not being disloyal at all. The most disloyal have been Malcolm himself as Communications Minister, Bishop as Foreign minister followed by Shorten and Gillard. It’s all a game to the left of politics and you have to put Turnbull, Bishop, Pyne, Morrison,Frydenberg on the socialist left. Never conservatives. Not with $700Billion now in Federal debt, as big as the whole of China.

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      PeterS

      That’s why we need a leader to turn the LNP back towards centre-right. Let’s hope Dutton is the man to do that. There is no room in this nation for two left-wing major parties.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Federal Debt

      Australian Government Securities on Issue*: $531,743m;

      Comprising:

      Treasury Bonds: $492,185m
      Treasury Indexed Bonds: $35,052m
      Treasury Notes: $4,500m
      Other Securities: $6m

      * As at 17 August 2018

      https://aofm.gov.au/

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        TdeF

        Plus Queensland state debt $80Billion and we are over $600Billion. Under Howard, we had no debt. They paid off the Hawke/Keating banana republic debt. I suppose we are up to a pineapple republic now.

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    PeterS

    I just listened to Turnbull’s speech. Summary: vote for me and I will guarantee to screw you to death.

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    PeterS

    Julie Bishop states that today’s vote for the Turnbull was a resounding support for him to be leader of the LNP. Both have to go.

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    PeterS

    Peter Dutton will be speaking to Sky News shortly.

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    Serp

    It was worth a try for the PM and at least he found out how bad the news be.

    He’ll be in his counting house now talking to his hedgies is my guess; as to his next political move only the Beloved Windbag truly knows and we can only hope it’s to resign.

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    For me the personalities are less important than that single substance: coal.

    With coal, we get a lot beside.

    Without coal, forget it.

    Dutton/Abbott or Abbott/Dutton? I say: Coal/Coal is the ticket.

    Our coal is where they attack us hardest. Coal is our Stalingrad. We lose there, the globalists are through, because all “alternatives” mean waste, international financial invasion, corruption and impoverishment – and the enemy are clear on this. We win there, we have a massive advantage.

    Huge numbers of people now loathe the media and can see the old-style brute commieness through the glitz of globalism. The enemy is very vulnerable, it has a huge front hiding a thin rear and weak flanks. Strike it down now.

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      angry

      Donald Trump is correct, the Mainstream Media is the enemy and the purveyor of FAKE NEWS.

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        PeterS

        That fact can be used to advantage by whoever becomes the new leader of the LNP. Imagine if Abbott was that person. The MSM would go nuts and Abbott could have a field day with them causing the people to swing to his support just as it happened for Trump.

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    pat

    amazing how Ben Potter/AFR(Fairfax) – comment #9 – has a CAGW activist quote about Germany (among others) planning to up their climate emissions “ambitions”, yet he has nothing on -

    15 Aug: Bloomberg: Germany’s Failed Climate Goals
    A Wake-Up Call for Governments Everywhere
    By William Wilkes, Hayley Warren and Brian Parkin
    A shortfall in Germany is an ominous signal for other nations struggling to reach their own targets…
    Germany’s emissions miss should act as a “wake-up” call to all countries, said Gail Whiteman, professor of environment sustainability at the U.K.’s Lancaster University…

    “At the time they set their goals, they were very ambitious,” recalled Patricia Espinosa, the lead United Nations envoy on climate change. “It was a political statement that the chancellor was trying to make. What happened was that the industry—particularly the car industry—didn’t come along. Technically they can do it. Economically they can do it. But it’s political.”…
    And with the 2020 goals looking like a stretch, there’s increasing concern that tighter goals the country is planning for 2030 will be completely out of reach…

    Other nations are looking at how Germany acts if only because many other big polluters have a bigger problem in making reductions. Germany’s economy is dominated by services that require less energy and produce less carbon than places tilted toward industry and manufacturing. China, which is the biggest source of greenhouse gas emissions, has a larger share of its economy tied to factories and therefore will find it harder to make reductions…

    “Germany’s miss has bigger implications,” said Myles Allen, a climate change expert at Imperial College London.
    ***“The only thing that matters now is what we’re going to do on carbon capture. Without it, we won’t meet climate goals.”
    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-germany-emissions/

    Josh agreed with Myles – yet I can’t recall CCS being in the NEG:

    ***30 May 2017: AFR: Op-Ed: We cannot hit the Paris target without carbon capture and storage
    by Josh Frydenberg
    In a similar vein the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has said without CCS the cost of meeting global emission targets would be more than double.
    This is not surprising when you consider that even with the significant uptake of renewable energy the IEA estimates that by 2040 fossil fuels will still be providing up to 60 per cent of the world’s power…
    This is not to say that CCS comes cost-free because it doesn’t, but the technology is improving all the time…

    Given that CCS technology has received such strong support from the likes of the IPCC and the IEA internationally as well as the Chief Scientist and the CSIRO here at home, it is now only appropriate that we unshackle the CEFC and allow it to support this low emissions technology…
    https://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/we-cannot-hit-the-paris-target-without-carbon-capture-and-storage-20170530-gwg1qq

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      pat

      Ben Potter/AFR also writes:

      - And next month San Francisco hosts a Global Climate Action Summit at which private utilities and other firms – including from Australia – will showcase their carbon abatement efforts… -

      without any mention of its nutty CAGW activist or partisan political connections.

      8 Aug: SanFranciscoExaminer: Ian Williams: Activists plan marches, murals ahead of Gov. Brown’s climate summit
      A press conference Wednesday for the Rise for Climate, Jobs, and Justice Mobilization gathered an eclectic group of speakers in front of the Ferry Building to rally support for their Sep. 8 march down Market Street.
      March organizers expect tens of thousands of participants to arrive in San Francisco just days before the Sep. 12 Global Climate Action Summit to call for increased efforts in the fight against climate change.
      The summit will assemble leaders from state and local governments, including California Governor Jerry Brown, for a showcase on domestic and international climate change abatement efforts.
      For some, however, more drastic changes are needed.

      “Real climate change leadership means stopping climate change at its source and leading [a] just transition away from an economy based only on profit and pollution toward healthy, life-sustaining economies that benefit everyone,” said Miya Yoshitani, the executive director of the Asian Pacific Environmental Network.
      San Francisco’s march will serve as a flagship demonstration for similar events held across the country on the same day. New York City, Miami and New Orleans, among others, will all host demonstrations to urge elected officials to take action on climate change…

      During the press conference muralist David Solnit and other artists painted an example of what participants can expect to see on Sep. 8. The blue and gold mural was ringed with a black band of charcoal that Solnit collected from the remains of fires just outside Napa…
      (PLENTY OF MOCKING IN THE COMMENTS)
      http://www.sfexaminer.com/activists-plan-marches-murals-ahead-gov-browns-climate-summit/

      17 Aug: GreenMatters: Global Climate Action Summit Will Highlight Eco Solutions
      By Kristin Hunt
      Environmental leaders are set to convene in California next month for a Global Climate Action Summit celebrating achievements in sustainability — and hopefully, laying the groundwork for new ones. This will be the convention’s inaugural meeting, and for its launch, it’s landed speakers ranging from Al Gore to Jane Goodall to discuss ecological solutions…

      This meeting has been in the works for a while, initially announced last summer at the Global Citizens Festival in Hamburg, Germany, through a video message from California Governor Jerry Brown.
      “Come join us: entrepreneurs, singers, musicians, mathematicians, professors, students,” he says in the video. “We need people who represent the whole world, because this is about the whole world and the people who live here. We have to do something, and we can do it.” …

      Brown is one of the six co-chairs for the summit, alongside China’s top climate representative Xie Zhenhua, entrepreneur Anand Mahindra, and UN representatives Patricia Espinosa, Jayathma Wickramanayake, and Michael Bloomberg…

      There are five core topics up for discussion, which will inform the summit’s panels. Those topics are healthy energy systems, inclusive economic growth, sustainable communities, land and ocean stewardship, and transformative climate investments. The summit is calling them “key challenges,” and the goal is to inspire debate on issues within those categories, such as the best ways to restore forests or decarbonize transportation…

      To lead these discussions, the Global Climate Action Summit has enlisted nearly three dozen industry leaders and politicians. Here’s a partial list:
      INCLUDES
      •John Kerry, former U.S. Secretary of State
      •Paul Polman, CEO of Unilever
      •Andrea Mitchell, NBC/MSNBC reporter
      •Dave Matthews, musician
      •Alec Baldwin, actor

      The event itself will strive to meet sustainability standards by providing free electric bikes and scooters to attendees…In addition to this zero emission travel option, the summit will offer composting and food donation collection, reusable dishware, locally sourced food, and verified carbon offset programs to counter the guests’ international flights.

      “Cities, states, businesses, university leaders, and other organizations all came out to affirm their commitment to the Paris Agreement… and to say to the world, we can do this,” Bloomberg said in a press conference last year. “And the truth of the matter is, I think we can.”
      https://www.greenmatters.com/community/2018/08/17/DBM9f/global-climate-action-summit-2018

      7 Aug: IISD: Global Climate Action Summit Selects 22 “Climate Trailblazers”
      by Leila Mead
      Six Trailblazers come from North America, three from Central or South America, two from Europe, four from Africa, three from Asia and four from Australia or Oceania.
      The Trailblazers hail from such organizations as: the National Young Farmers Coalition (NYFC) in the US; Thirst, which addresses global water scarcity by educating and engaging the next generation of consumers; the Foundation for Wildlife and Habitat Conservation (FWHC) in Zambia; the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication; the Ghana Bamboo Bikes Initiative; and 1 Million Women, a global women’s movement to fight climate change. They include: environmental justice leader Robert Bullard, Professor of Urban Planning and Environmental Policy, Texas Southern University, US; Chris Castro, Director of Sustainability, City of Orlando, Florida, US; and Shukri Haji Ismail Mohamoud Bandare, Minister of Environment and Rural Development, Hargeisa, Somaliland.

      The Climate Trailblazers were nominated by a range of awards committees and institutions, including the UNFCCC’s Momentum for Change, the Equator Initiative, UN Environment Programme’s (UNEP, or UN Environment) Young Champions of the Earth, the World Economic Forum’s (WEF) Young Global Leaders and Global Shapers, the Goldman Environmental Prize, XPRIZE, Grist, Oxfam and Forbes 30 Under 30.
      http://sdg.iisd.org/news/global-climate-action-summit-selects-22-climate-trailblazers/

      31 Jul: IISD (International Institute for Sustainable Development): China’s Xie Zhenhua Named Fifth Co-Chair of Global Climate Action Summit
      by Leila Mead, Thematic Expert for Climate Change and Sustainable Energy (US)
      The Global Climate Action Summit (GCAS) has announced Xie Zhenhua, Special Representative for Climate Change Affairs, China, as its fifth Co-Chair. He joins the four other GCAS Co-Chairs: Governor of California Jerry Brown, UN Secretary-General’s Special Envoy for Climate Action Michael Bloomberg, UNFCCC Executive Secretary Patricia Espinosa and Mahindra Group Chair Anand Mahindra…

      Xie has been China’s chief negotiator for many years and helped negotiate the Paris Agreement on climate change in 2015. At the national level, he has led China’s State Environmental Protection Agency since 1993. Xie has been involved in such issues as energy conservation and pollution reduction. He also helped establish the Chinese National Carbon Emission Trading System, and was recently awarded the Lui Che Woo Prize for his efforts to tackle climate change…

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      RickWill

      What happened was that the industry—particularly the car industry—didn’t come along. Technically they can do it. Economically they can do it. But it’s political.”…

      Patricia Espinosa clearly has no clue. The lack of understanding is mind boggling. Wind generators are window dressing. They cannot possible lower the output of CO2 in the global economy. At beast they can transfer the CO2 production from one country to another. It is delusional. Clearly this person has zero understanding of physics if she actually believes what she is stating.

      The motor industry in Germany could do it easily providing the population were to trade their motor vehicles for push bikes.

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    angry

    BYE “LIBERAL PARTY”, YOU ARE DEAD TO CONSERVATIVE AUSTRALIANS!

    POS TRAITORS !@$@#$!!

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      toorightmate

      Give credit where it’s due.
      Turnbull hasn’t just wrecked the Liberal Party of Australia.
      He has also managed to wreck the country of Australia.

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        Rod Stuart

        In a column the other day in the Australian, Richo made an observation that I have often mentioned myself.
        If Turnbull’s aim in 2015 was to completely decimate the Coalition, he would not have done a single thing differently.

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      philthegeek

      ooohh! So can we look forward to the class traitors of the Liberal party being hunted down by our very own angry energizer bunny?? :)

      there is a shlock horror screenplay in that i reckon!

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        el gordo

        A Royal Commission is called for, with wide terms of reference involving politics, science and media.

        There is a movie or two in this debacle, no due diligence, shonky science and corrupt media, take any angle you like. My preference is for a romantic comedy.

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    PeterS

    Peter Dutton says his duty now is to prevent Shorten from becoming PM by explaining to the public that his party has the right policies. I think what he’s really saying is wait a while and Turnbull will be gone and then they can do what he has said.

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    Ian1946

    Maybe the real danger is Turnbull going to the GG to call a quick election to stop Dutton and Abbott from deposing him. Does anyone know if Turnbull does see the GG does the fox lectionaries have to happen or can it be stopped when Turnbull is deposed.

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      OriginalSteve

      I suggest speaking to as many people as possible asap to explain Malcolm is a dead weight to Australians….

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        PeterS

        I’m writing another letter to my local rep explaining talk about solidarity to prevent Shorten becoming PM is a fools game. It will do nothing to stop Shorten becoming PM and in fact will make it more of a certainty. DOn’t they get it? The people have had enough of Turnbull. He has to go and that’s that.

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          Greebo

          Yesterday’s Ipsos poll suggests that Shorten would win between 20 and 30 seats. From ONE seat behind. That’s two terms.

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      Greebo

      I am fairly sure that the incoming PM can rescind the election call. After he is sworn in, of course. The writs would not be issued immediately.

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    Ian1946

    Predictive text grrrr

    It should say does the election have to happen or can the decisions be reversed

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    Lewis P Buckingham

    Looking at the numbers the inner cabinet held firm and effectively kept themselves in.
    For the Liberals to lose a leader before an election would be just another example of dysfunctional leadership battles.
    To put in Dutton until the potential problem of him gaining benefit from the Commonwealth were clearly sorted, would mean
    the Liberals open to another Supreme court challenge by some ‘independant’ person who just wants the Constitution
    followed, as recently happened.
    Since the Liberals are doomed anyway, best leave things the way they are and work for the senate balance.
    The reason for this statement is that people make up their minds a year before a Federal election.
    Consistent lost polls support this view.
    Also the Libs need funding from people like PM Turnbull, as the party is losing groundlings paying support.
    Once the Dutton ‘constitutional problem is resolved’, he may as well lead the party now, in Government, and later in opposition depending only
    on the timing.

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    pat

    comment in moderation re San Francisco Global Climate Action Summit.

    the sooner everyone quits Paris the better, if only to put an end to the endless rubbish being put out by FakeNewsMSM:

    19 Aug: UK Telegraph: Slaughtered Spanish pigs now outnumber Spaniards
    By James Badcock
    The number of pigs slaughtered in Spain each year outnumbers the entire Spanish population, new figures show, as the government pledges to crack down on the growing environmental threat from the meat industry.
    According to a 2017 government report, the number of pigs killed in Spain topped 50 million for the first time, with the Spanish population currently numbering 46.5 million.
    A boom in pork exports, particularly to meet China’s insatiable appetite for pig products, has led to a massive increase in factory-farmed pigs in Spain…

    The boom in Spanish livestock farming means agriculture is now the fourth-largest producer of carbon emissions, with 10 per cent of the national total, exceeded only by transport, electricity generation and industry…
    Spain’s environment ministry announced in July that it was planning new controls on pig farming to improve “hygiene, animal health and welfare and the environment”, noting that livestock farming is responsible for two thirds of total emissions from the agricultural sector…
    Environmentalists warn of serious damage if factory farming is allowed to grow further…
    One pig will consume 15 litres of water a day, meaning the industry uses more water than the cities of Seville, Alicante and Zaragoza, combined…

    Under the previous government, 33 plants that had been generating electricity from the gas in pig biomass were closed after renewable energy subsidies were slashed…
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/19/slaughtered-spanish-pigs-now-outnumber-spaniards/

    20 Aug: CBS: Stop worrying about how much energy bitcoin uses
    By Katrina Kelly-Pitou, The conversation
    (Katrina Kelly-Pitou is a research associate in electrical and computer engineering at the University of Pittsburgh)
    I am a researcher who studies clean energy technology, specifically the transition toward decarbonized energy systems. I think that the conversation around bitcoin and energy has been oversimplified…
    By talking specifically about just the consumption of energy alone, I believe many fail to understand one of the most basic benefits of renewable energy systems. Electricity production can increase while still maintaining a minimal impact on the environment. Rather than focusing on how much energy bitcoin uses, the discussion should center around who indeed is producing it – and where their power comes from…

    Unlocking a bitcoin requires an intense amount of computational power. Think of bitcoin as sort of a hidden currency code, where its value is derived by solving a programmable puzzle. Getting through this puzzle requires computer brainpower.
    Electricity is 90 percent of the cost to mine bitcoin. As such, bitcoin mining uses an exorbitant amount of power: somewhere between an estimated 30 terrawatt hours alone in 2017 alone. That’s as much electricity as it takes to power the entire nation of Ireland in one year.
    Indeed, this is a lot, but not exorbitant. Banking consumes an estimated 100 terrawatts of power annually. If bitcoin technology were to mature by more than 100 times its current market size, it would still equal only 2 percent of all energy consumption.

    Bitcoin is certainly consuming an increasing amount of power worldwide, but is it increasing the world’s carbon consumption? Bitcoin miners have traditionally set up shop in China, where coal supplies 60 percent of the nation’s electricity.
    Now, bitcoin mining is exploding in areas with cheap power, like the Pacific Northwest. Power there is mainly cheap due to the massive availability of hydropower, a low-carbon resource…

    In Europe, for example, Iceland is becoming a popular place for bitcoin mining. That nation relies on nearly 100 percent renewable energy for its production. An abundant supply of geothermal and hydropower energy makes bitcoiners’ power demand cheap and nearly irrelevant…

    Rather than discussing the energy consumption of bitcoin generally, people should be discussing the carbon production of bitcoin, and understanding whether certain mining towns are adding to an already large environmental burden…
    Global electricity consumption is going up overall. The U.S. Energy Information Administration predicts that world use will increase nearly 28 percent over the next two decades. But increasing energy consumption is bad only if we aren’t shifting toward less carbon-dense power production. So far, it seems that only miners are currently shifting toward cleaner parts of the world.

    So perhaps people should quit criticizing bitcoin for its energy intensity and start criticizing states and nations for still providing new industries with dirty power supplies instead.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stop-worrying-about-how-much-energy-bitcoin-uses/

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    toorightmate

    Investors are generally wise folk.
    Overnight Asian markets are healthy.
    BUT, BUT, BUT the Australian market is as sick as a dog.
    Business and investors sure know how bad our country is under Turnbull.

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      PeterS

      More to do with uncertainty resulting in a lack of buyers and only sellers to drive the market. When it’s all settled watch the market roar back up unless an election is called out of the blue – then anything goes I’m afraid.

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        toorightmate

        PeterS,
        There is a fair drop of uncertainty in Europe and the USA at present, but their markets increased nicely overnight.
        Sorry, I believe investors are moving money out of Australia due to Turnbull-inspired uncertainty – or are we saying the same thing?

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          PeterS

          Money has been pouring out of Australia for many years now. Haven’t you seen what’s been happening to our dollar? The market drop today is nothing out of the ordinary. Something similar happened last week and many other weeks before.

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      yarpos

      I must look at things differently, it was up 10% last year and is up 5% year to date. Not outstanding but not tragic either.

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        toorightmate

        Two points yarpos:
        Compare those increases with the USA and
        Take a look at how turnover has decreased significantly.
        However, PeterS makes a good point. The dearth of resources investment is thanks to Rudd.

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          yarpos

          Not really into the comparing/keeping up game. I just look at whether the return is adequate. I dont worry about how it compared in the GFC either.

          Yep , turnover is down, these are not boom times.

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    pat

    what climate legacy?

    20 Aug: Capital&Main: California’s Dirty Oil Threatens Jerry Brown’s Climate Legacy
    There’s something hinky about the governor’s climate leadership, an inconsistency that environmentalists warn will threaten his legacy.
    By Judith Lewis Mernit
    But there’s something hinky about Brown’s climate leadership, an inconsistency that environmentalists caution will threaten his legacy. To wit, while Brown warns often in speeches that one-third of the world’s oil reserves must remain untouched to avert climate catastrophe, the governor has not done much to keep California’s reserves in the ground. To the contrary: In 2011 Brown flagrantly axed two state regulators for holding drillers to account for their environmental infractions. In 2013, he inserted last-minute amendments into a bill to regulate hydraulic fracturing and acidizing — dissolving rock with toxic chemicals to access trapped oil. And while he managed to extend California’s greenhouse-gas trading market, cap-and-trade, as far out as 2030, he did so in collaboration with oil lobbyists, who saw many of their demands included in the bill.

    When RL Miller, chair of the Democratic Party’s environmental caucus, pointed this out, circulating a petition “telling Brown to stop being Chevron’s stenographer,” Brown accused her and her cohort of “political terrorism.”…
    “He talks a good game,” says Miller, who also runs the advocacy nonprofit, Climate Hawks Vote. “But when you look at what you need to do on climate — move the electricity over to 100 percent renewable energy, for instance — he is silent.” He has not, in other words, come out in full support of state Senate Bill 100, the 100 percent renewable energy bill currently facing its last hurdle before making it to the governor’s desk: passage in the Assembly…
    That Brown’s actions sometimes conflict with his climate credentials isn’t much discussed outside of California…

    Bill McKibben 350.org: “He clearly was a climate leader in the early stages of the fight, and that can’t be denied,” McKibben wrote in an email to Capital & Main. “California has moved to cut energy demand and build renewables, and he’s been a part of that. The question is now whether he has the moxie left to embrace the climate movement as it has evolved.” That evolution has included embracing environmental justice. More than three-quarters of new oil wells approved on Brown’s watch are in low-income communities and communities of color, according to an analysis by the Center for Biological Diversity.
    “Permitting more oil wells next to people of color,” McKibben says, “is not what a climate leader for this day and age would do.”…

    Kassie Siegel, climate program director at the Center for Biological Diversity: “[His] administration has issued new permits for 20,000 new wells since 2011″…
    Oil is a $111 billion industry in California. Though only 2.7 percent of the state’s GDP, its political muscle is legendary…
    Brown has said many times that California — which burns more oil than any other state save Texas — still imports 70 percent of its oil. If California stops producing oil, he’s argued, other states and countries will produce more to make up the difference. That’s true, according to the Stockholm Environmental Institute, which last February released a report analyzing the climate effects of California’s petroleum industry. “For each barrel of California oil [left in the ground],” an additional 0.4 to 0.8 barrels would be produced elsewhere,” say the study’s authors…

    California continues to export refining byproducts of the state’s particularly heavy, dirty oil, including petroleum coke, a carbon-heavy solid that burns even dirtier than coal. Certain century-old, played-out wells in the San Joaquin Valley yield some of the most carbon-intensive oil in the world — by some analyses, it’s second only to Canadian oil sands in its climate footprint. Refining it into combustible fuel produces a lot of pet coke, which is shipped to other countries, mostly to be used as fuel…ETC
    https://capitalandmain.com/californias-dirty-oil-threatens-jerry-browns-climate-legacy-0820

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    PeterS

    Shorten has called for a no confidence motion in parliament. I wonder if any in the LNP will be willing to cross the floor. Hmmmm.

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    beowulf

    Let’s lighten the mood a little. If it wasn’t so serious it would be funny, and it’s probably the world’s perception of us. Follow the link.

    Remember Australia – change your Prime Minister, change your smoke alarm batteries!

    http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2018/08/remember-australia-change-your-prime-minister-change-your-smoke-alarm-batteries.html

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    Dennis

    Best new name suggestion I have read today is Malcolm Terminal.

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    TdeF

    Then there’s the real banana Republic on the Turnbull/Shorten/Gillard Socialist road..

    “Venezuela is set to face further economic turmoil after socialist dictator Nicolás Maduro announced economic reforms that include lopping five zeroes off the value of the Bolivar currency and increasing the country’s minimum wage by 3,500 percent this weekend”

    This will happen to all resource rich countries if the EU have their way. Economic Imperialism brought to your by World Socialism and Goldmann Sachs, whom you will remember from their leading role in the Global Financial Crisis.

    Can we have our real Conservative government back? Not people trying to tax the people to death and directing you to spend your way out of debt with windmills and carbon credits and pink batts.

    Consider the useless $60Bn NBN, $60Bn Nuclear submarines converted to diesel, $12Bn Pumping water uphill to justify stealing billions for German windmills, giant American batteries in the desert, imported Green diesels to prevent CO2 output, Gonski to make sure there are no local engineers or scientists and gifts of half a billion at a time to rich philantrophists to spend on things which don’t matter. $60Bn in unused French desalination plants. Gifts to the Clinton foundation or $400Million for capture carbon in third world countries, other than Australia.

    Banana Republics, the specialty of the EU/UN. Windmills and solar farms and desalination plants a speciality. No dams please, were caring ecologists and water should never be imprisoned. No frogs will be harmed.

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    PeterS

    Craig Kelly says the Coalition needs to rally behind Turnbull to keep Shorten away from the Lodge. Kelly is a much bigger fool than I thought. He doesn’t realise the exact opposite will happen and Shorten WILL be then next PM without a doubt. People like Kelly should at least just shut up!

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      el gordo

      Its important that Bill stays in place up to the election, Albo is a far more formidable opponent.

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      Craig Thomas

      You realise having an Abbott-mob at the helm would absolutely guarantee a complete caning at the next election, don’t you?

      He is hated and reviled by the people the Libs need the most: swinging blue-collar and female voters.

      Nobody cares what the vegans think, any more than we care what the climate-denying looneys think. It’s the people who *actually* change their vote that we need, or we’re going to end up with another …..[Snip]…… Shorten and his looney mob.

      [Craig, I did the best I could with the snip. If you are not happy with the outcome please re-submit a comment without the 18C problem.] ED

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        Roy Hogue

        Just when the conversations starts to get juicy along comes a moderator and spoils he fun. ;-)

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        Just Thinkin'

        Well Craig,

        You must have missed the election that ABBOTT
        won in a LANDSLIDE, the BIGGEST win ever.

        And, that was when he was “hated and reviled”…..

        by the media and the greens….

        So mate, crawl back under your rock…

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    PeterS

    Michael Sukkar just resigned from the front bench. I hope far more follow.

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    Ian knows

    Dutton will just bide his time.

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      el gordo

      There is talk that he will have to move quickly, dunno, but what I can say for sure is that when Dutton becomes PM he will shave off Energy from Environment.

      Two seats, Energy for Craig Kelly and Environment to some other hopeful who knows how to take AGW out of the environment portfolio.

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      Greebo

      Not sure he can. Yhe Prime Snake may just call a snap election. He’s that kind of guy…

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        el gordo

        No time for that.

        ‘Seven MPs have tendered their resignation from the frontbench following today’s leadership ballot.’ Oz

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    Robber

    I will vote for whoever:
    1. Delivers affordable electricity, not more subsidies.
    2. Reduces immigration
    3. Stands up for one Australia, indivisible, one language, with liberty and justice for all.
    As an Australian citizen,
    I affirm my loyalty to Australia and its people,
    Whose democratic beliefs I share,
    Whose rights and liberties I respect,
    And whose laws I uphold and obey.

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    Just Thinkin'

    My latest letter to my federal member, Andrew Wallace,
    on learning that he voted against chairman mal….

    Good evening Andrew,

    Thank you, thank you, thank you.

    Cheers for now,

    Me

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    pat

    TWEET: The Australian: We’re now up to seven offers of resignation with Cabinet Ministers Steve Ciobo and Michael Keenan the latest
    https://twitter.com/australian/status/1031834618591305729

    bits and pieces:

    Twitter: The Australian
    https://twitter.com/australian

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    Still nothing about this morning’s cold? Around here we “smashed” all records and had our coldest temperature “ever”. Really. 4 below on the midcoast!

    I know it’s a trivial factoid…but it’s funny how there’s no beat-up.

    Anyway, back on the subject. Turnbull’s one real talent is manipulation. Only Malcolm could turn a loss of party seats to his own advantage by threatening to tip the balance. He is the first leader in our history served by insufficient votes. Turnbull probably sees only cleverness and no disgrace at all in this. Which is why he must be gone.

    The globalist fop Turnbull must go. Followed by the globalist automaton Frydenberg and the self-absorbed globalist Bishop. All globalists, all wreckers. All must go.

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    pat

    btw even tho theirABC is still posting new articles on their “Just In” page – it’s not unusual for them to post articles late into the night – they haven’t found it necessary to add an article about all the resignations.

    however, they have managed to update one of their 2 Usain Bolt articles on page 1 of “Just In” in the last hour!

    and they have managed to post what is perhaps their most self-indulgent piece of nonsense ever, with two writers, and 4 persons quoted!!!

    it is so ludicrous, it’s worth a peek:

    21 Aug: ABC: ABC Radio Adelaide presenter Ali Clarke breaks down live on air after text attack
    By Sarah Scopelianos and Rebecca Puddy
    Updated about 3 hours ago
    Clarke, who described herself as an “ugly crier”, said she had received texts this morning that were “pretty personal” and “attacking”…

    ABC Breakfast TV presenter Virginia Trioli sometimes publishes the feedback she receives on social media…

    Renee Barnes, a senior journalism lecturer at the University of the Sunshine Coast who authored a book on trolls, fanboys and lurkers, said online behaviour needed to be aligned with the behaviour people expect from others in real life…

    ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie told staff in an email while public feedback was part of the job “sometimes you need to draw the line”.
    “Particularly in relation to anonymous online attacks or trolling which, unfortunately, are an increasingly common dark facet of online exchanges,” she wrote.
    “Personal abuse, threats and harassment, are not acceptable. Under any circumstances.”
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-21/abc-radio-adelaide-ali-clarke-breaks-down-after-text-attack/10147162

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    Greebo

    If you aren’t watching Paul Murray, you should be. It’s a hoot.

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      Greebo

      Well, it was until Katter came on.

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      Hanrahan

      Just watched his interview with Bob [big hat, no cattle] Katter. What a frekin idiot. Believes we could meet Paris obligations by going to ethanol. How he gets elected, even in the country, beats me.

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    pat

    21 Aug: ABC: Who are the 35 who turned on Malcolm Turnbull and voted for Peter Dutton?
    THE PRIME Minister was betrayed by 35 members of his own government. Now, those members have been revealed.
    by Gavin Fernando and Shannon Molloy
    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/who-are-the-35-people-who-turned-on-malcolm-turnbull-and-voted-for-peter-dutton/news-story/c9b94f7f10d46e8b955b157668f0650c

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    pat

    in Pickering Post comments, someone says Cory Bernardi in an interview (doesn’t say with whom)says Dutton now has the numbers;
    someone else responds that he also said he hasn’t ruled out a return to the party.

    perhaps he was on Bolt Report/Sky! this quote is not on the blog, but is apparently in the column behind a paywall:

    Andrew Bolt | Andrew Bolt Blog | Daily Telegraph
    5 mins ago
    Cory Bernardi says he wouldn’t be surprised if there’s another spill motion by the end of the week…

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    pat

    21 Aug: ClimateChangeNews: Australian leadership spill brings Paris climate exit into play
    A challenge against Malcolm Turnbull, triggered by the collapse of a key energy policy, shows an anti-Paris faction is on the rise in Australia’s governing party.
    By Karl Mathiesen
    Australia’s climate wars look set to swallow another prime ministerial career, bringing the country’s future participation in the Paris deal into question…
    The prime minister escaped the spill 48-35, but another attempt is widely expected…

    Turnbull’s leadership has come under sustained attack from the conservative wing of his governing coalition.
    “They feel liberated now to strike against him, and will continue to strike against him until they destroy him,” Sydney Morning Herald political editor Peter Hartcher told Sky.

    A Dutton government may seek to end Australia’s participation in the Paris climate agreement, according to observers. Some of his most powerful backers, including former prime minster Tony Abbott, have called for the country to follow the US and quit the deal. Rebels have briefed media that they will push for the country to leave Paris, Buzzfeed reported (LINK)…

    His policy is likely to depend on what compromises he might make with those to his left and right, said Erwin Jackson, a senior climate and energy advisor at NGO Environment Victoria.
    “The government is currently changing its climate policy every second day. What a different conservative leader will commit to depends on what they would need to give to the extreme elements of the party to gain the leadership. Paris could be in the mix,” he said.
    “Part of what will be at play is whether parts of the party remember the diplomatic damage and lost investment opportunities that came with the failure to ratify the Kyoto Protocol. Unfortunately, long memories and common sense are a very limited resource in the government at the moment,” said Jackson.

    Australia, like the US, is bound by international law to remain in the agreement until at least 2020. Between now and then, Australia will hold a federal election. If the Labor party were to remove the government, they would reverse a decision to leave the deal.
    But even a symbolic withdrawal would play havoc with an international climate process already reeling from Donald Trump’s promise to take the US out as soon as he can.
    In elections in October, Brazilians could elect Jair Bolsonaro, who has indicated he would also leave the deal.
    That discord would impact the major UN climate talks of the year in Poland in December, where the rulebook for the Paris deal is due to be agreed.

    Turnbull lost the leadership of his party to Abbott in 2009 after the then-opposition leader backed the Labor government’s emissions trading scheme. That began a decade of political ousters linked to climate and energy policy, while Australia’s emissions and energy prices steadily rose.
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/08/21/australian-leadership-spill-brings-paris-climate-exit-play

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    pat

    21 Aug: Buzzfeed: Is This The Beginning Of The End For Malcolm Turnbull?
    It’s “off”. But really it’s always on, tbh
    by Alice Workman
    Within minutes of the spill vote being lost, Coalition rebels were telling BuzzFeed News that planning was underway for challenge number two…
    Asked when the next challenge would be, one politician replied: “Hours… days… weeks”. Followed by an emoji of a person shrugging.
    Another said: “Who knows… we’re (expletive deleted)”…

    Four hours after the vote and his resignation as immigration minister, Dutton fronted the cameras with a big smile on his face…
    He then proceeded to outline his election platform.
    “I believe strongly that we can win the election if we get the policies and the message right about lowering electricity prices…ETC…

    This lines up with the off-the-record conversations conservative rebels – who have been agitating for a Dutton government – had with the press gallery last week. They say that under Dutton’s leadership the next election would be run on a platform of cheaper power bills over reducing emissions, ***withdrawing from the Paris climate accord, and scaling back immigration…

    The leadership rumblings and leaks over the past week achieved multiple goals: to push Turnbull towards ***dumping the Paris Agreement; shifting focus to power prices; and to gradually undermine Turnbull’s leadership…ETC…

    Despite media reports, Abbott wasn’t behind the Dutton challenge. Sure, he voted for him. But the man Turnbull deposed articulates the case of the rebels better than anyone else. It’s no surprise that the Monday after the government’s embarrassing performance in Super Saturday he was on 2GB radio pushing one single message — stop the (power) bills…
    Expect to see more of Abbott, Dutton and co selling the same message in the coming days and weeks…
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/aliceworkman/malcolm-turnbull-peter-dutton-prime-minister-liberal-leader?utm_term=.hkjxNl3JK#.pvjGa6qzd

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    Serp

    A. Scrap the RET and withdraw from Paris.
    B. Reduce immigation by ninety percent.

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    John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

    And Labor says: Baby Please Don’t Go, you’re one of us.

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      OriginalSteve

      “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way”
      - Franklin D. Rooseveldt

      So…….all ths is about setting the stage.

      With the numbers/resignations etc the way they are, how will it pan out for the next election?

      Politics is a managed stage play.

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    Cameron

    I’m not a fan of Turnbull’s climate ideals but I’m glad there was no change in leader today, I am sick of seeing this crap.
    Above that though, if right winged people are going to highlight the issues within the coalition without providing a strong alternative, that increases the likelihood of a Labour government which will reinforce climate policy costing everyone.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Cameron,

      They are providing an alternative. One that will bring back those conservatives that have abandoned Turnbull’s green-left for the minor parties. Their return will give the numbers to Dutton/Abbott in the next election and that may well translate into a defeat for Shorten and his green-left socialist comrades.

      After all Shorten is a flaky as they come. Even rusted on Laborites can see that.

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    pat

    saw a bit of Bolt Report tonite where he played a Turnbull press conference clip, with a smiling PM calling on “murpharoo” to ask the final question. just realised why ***!

    21 Aug: Guardian: It’s over: the Coalition has cracked under the strain of the PM’s hardcore haters
    by Katharine Murphy ***@murpharoo
    The government is having a full-scale civil war and Peter Dutton has time to plot and persuade…

    Right in front of us, the government of Australia is deciding the identity it wants to project to the voters. Will it be “better angels”, “half Trump”, or “full Trump”?…

    If we pull our heads out of the maelstrom of the week, it’s clear what the government should do. It should calm down, regroup, stick with Turnbull and craft a path to the next election just by doing the work…
    Once a government cracks, it doesn’t matter who wears the crown.
    It’s over.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/21/its-over-the-coalition-has-cracked-under-the-strain-of-the-pms-hardcore-haters?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

    murpharoo is not taking it lying down…she’s rallying the “resistance” over dinner in Canberra:

    21 Aug 22.05 AEST: Guardian: Crossbenchers won’t confirm they will guarantee supply under Dutton
    Cathy McGowan says she would like to see Malcolm Turnbull finish his term, while Rebekha Sharkie says PM has support in her community
    by Katharine Murphy
    The Victorian crossbencher, Cathy McGowan, and her South Australian colleague, Rebekha Sharkie, are both reserving their options on guaranteeing confidence and supply in the event Peter Dutton topples Malcolm Turnbull from the Liberal party leadership, and that upheaval triggers resignations from the parliament.

    As the Dutton insurgency gathered pace on Tuesday, McGowan prevailed on Liberals flirting with the idea of a switch to think very carefully about the consequences of their actions. “It’s very distressing, what’s happening within the Coalition,” McGowan said, speaking from the member’s dining room.
    “Malcolm Turnbull, for all his faults, is popular in Victoria, and I would like to see him finish his term,” she told Guardian Australia. “I hope it doesn’t happen. I will do everything within my influence to keep Turnbull there as prime minister”.
    McGowan declined to offer any comfort to Dutton, saying she would have to take soundings from her community about the best way to proceed in the event her pleas for stability fell on deaf ears.
    Sharkie said her constituents, having just weathered a byelection, did not want any sprint by either Turnbull or Dutton to the polls. She also lent support to the incumbent. “I believe Malcolm Turnbull is supported as prime minister in my community”…

    Like McGowan, Sharkie said she would need to consult her constituents in Mayo before resolving her position on confidence and supply in the event of a change of leader and a change in parliamentary circumstances, where command of the parliament became a relevant consideration. “I’ll also need to talk to my senators,” she said…

    The Green MP Adam Bandt said he would not support Dutton, and on Tuesday voted with Labor when the opposition moved a motion of no confidence in the parliament against Turnbull.
    McGowan and Sharkie voted against it…
    The Tasmanian Andrew Wilkie said he had not offered confidence and supply to Turnbull “nor would I make any promises to his successor”. Wilkie, like Bandt, voted for the Labor motion on Tuesday.

    Wilkie cautioned government MPs against believing any promises made by Dutton about being able to command the parliament in the event the government’s crisis escalated, given that remained entirely moot.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/21/crossbenchers-wont-confirm-they-will-guarantee-supply-under-dutton?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

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    pat

    minutes before her latest:

    21 Aug 21.37 AEST : Guardian: Dutton supporters rally as second challenge to Turnbull’s leadership looms
    Prime minister’s leadership appears terminal with resignation of key frontbenchers and conservatives lining up behind Dutton
    by Katharine Murphy @murpharoo; with Paul Karp
    The trade minister, Steve Ciobo, was also expected to offer his resignation on Tuesday evening, but later tweeted the party room had made a resolution about the leadership, and “we must unite to defeat Labor”…

    But Turnbull’s position now looks terminal. The conservative faction largely shifted en masse to Dutton, fielding 35 votes for the challenger, including cabinet ministers and occupants of the outer ministry, despite the lack of active canvassing…

    In a message crafted for internal consumption, Dutton declared he was not Tony Abbott’s “puppet” – which is the view of the group of moderates holding for Turnbull, who believe he has been willingly coopted in Abbott’s crusade to bring down Turnbull.
    But while attempting to create distance between himself and Abbott, Dutton also refused to rule out returning the former prime minister to the cabinet in the event he became party leader…

    Senior players in the government characterise the current power struggle as a full conservative takeover of the Liberal party, with one terming that “a perfect recipe for political annihilation”…

    ***(LOL) A ReachTel poll commissioned by the activist group ***GetUp! suggests a move to Dutton would be high risk for the government. The poll says 46% of voters would be less likely to vote for the Coalition if they adopted a more conservative policy platform, and half the sample said they would be less likely to vote for the government if Dutton became leader….

    Victorian Liberals are particularly concerned that a change of leadership would trigger a bloodbath for the government, putting seats in play that are currently regarded as winnable…
    Dutton could also face trouble with crossbenchers in the lower house, with both Cathy McGowan and Rebekha Sharkie reserving their position on confidence and supply in the event a leadership coup triggers resignations of government MPs from the parliament…

    Turnbull appealed for unity, an appeal backed by his deputy, Julie Bishop. Bishop told the ABC…blah blah…
    Guardian Australia understands Bishop would not seek to serve on the front bench if Dutton prevailed in a leadership contest.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/21/peter-dutton-challenge-malcolm-turnbull-leadership-resignations

    no doubt murpharoo’s meltdown will continue on twitter tonite:

    Twitter: Katharine Murphy @murpharoo
    https://twitter.com/murpharoo?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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      Sceptical Sam

      “a perfect recipe for political annihilation”…

      … of the green-left, out-of-touch, faction in Turnbull’s Liberal Party.

      There. Fixed it for you.

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    toorightmate

    For those few who may have doubted that Michael Bloomberg was a left wing warmist, his most recent headline is “Australia Mutiny Wounds Turnbull.”

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    pat

    21 Aug: InDaily: Tom Richardson: The lesson Turnbull failed to heed from Weatherill
    As Malcolm Turnbull’s Prime Ministership enters its death spiral, Tom Richardson reflects on Australia’s ongoing malaise – a failure of political leadership now stretching back more than a decade – and the salutary lesson from recent South Australian history that the PM failed to heed…

    He (Weatherill) posted a link on his Twitter feed to a podcast interview he gave almost exactly a year ago, with the Guardian Online, in which he mused on the forthcoming state election – which he lost – and PM Malcolm Turnbull’s ongoing struggles with the Right wing of his own party…
    Back in 2017, Weatherill – who was then determined to make renewable energy a clear-cut electoral battleline – made the point that Turnbull knew “the right thing to do” on energy policy, but was hobbled by the conservative wing of the Liberal Party.

    “What the PM needs to understand is this,” Weatherill opined.
    “You can’t do business with these people… if you move away from the Emissions Intensity Scheme to the Clean Energy Target then they’ll want to change that to allow coal in. If you gave them that, the next [demand] is ‘tear up Paris’, and if you tore up [the Paris agreement] the next thing is they’d ask him to call a press conference and deny that he believes in climate change.”

    Whatever you make of Weatherill, his party or his policy bent on renewables, you can’t deny that this was a fairly prescient prognostication…
    https://indaily.com.au/opinion/2018/08/21/richardson-the-lesson-turnbull-failed-to-heed-from-weatherill/

    22 Aug 2017: Guardian podcast: 38mins44secs: ‘They’re insatiable’: Jay Weatherill on his clash with the Coalition on energy – Australian politics live podcast
    The South Australian premier, Jay Weatherill, joins Katharine Murphy to discuss his plans to tackle the energy market and his arguments with the federal government. Weatherill believes Malcolm Turnbull ‘knows what the right thing to do is’ on supporting renewable energy, but says he is hobbled by Coalition rightwingers. ‘You can’t do business with these people … They’re insatiable. There is no benefit in the prime minister in trying to placate his right wing because they are incapable of being placated’…
    Weatherill: Labor states could go it alone on energy policy
    by Katherine Murphy and Miles Martignoni
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/audio/2017/aug/22/theyre-insatiable-jay-weatherill-on-his-clash-with-the-coalition-on-energy-australian-politics-live-podcast

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    pat

    20 Aug: UK Independent: Australia pulls out of climate change targets agreed at Paris conference
    ‘Cheaper power has always been our number one priority’
    by Harry Cockburn
    Meanwhile, in January this year, Penrith, 30 miles west of Sydney, was the hottest place on earth, hitting 47.3C, while Sydney was 44C…

    CarbonBrief & FakeNewsMSM are in meltdown:

    Australia pulls out of climate change targets agreed at Paris conference
    Coverage continues of the news that Australian prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has abandoned plans to set a new greenhouse gas emissions reduction target – following a revolt by his MPs.
    The Financial Times reports that the prime minister’s last-minute turnaround allowed him to “stave off a leadership challenge from disgruntled conservatives within his own party”.
    The abandoned energy policy – called the National Energy Guarantee – promised to cut Australia’s emissions by 26% from 2005 levels by 2030, the FT reports.
    Cutting emissions to this degree would be necessary for Australia to meet its obligations under the Paris Agreement.

    The New York Times reports that the proposed policy “was not wildly ambitious” and that, even if it did go ahead, “agriculture and other industries would still have to do more to meet the nation’s commitments under the [Paris] deal.” The New York Times reports that the decision has left climate and biological scientists in the country feeling “frustrated” and “increasingly worried”.
    “All it does is reconfirm that they have no interest in doing anything about climate change or the Great Barrier Reef really,” Jon Brodie, a coral reef scientist at James Cook University, told the newspaper.

    Climate Home News reports that former prime minister Tony Abbott, who played a pivotal role in the rebellion against Turnball, cited Donald Trump’s decision to leave the Paris Agreement in his argument against the energy policy. On Sunday, Abbott tweeted: “Emissions targets that made sense three years ago when all countries were supposed to be in Paris and we didn’t need policy change and wouldn’t face economic dislocation do not make sense now.”
    The Guardian has produced a three-minute video in response to the news, titled: “Australia’s climate wars: a decade of dithering”. The Hill also has the story.

    Trump set to roll back Obama-era regulation on coal emissions
    The Guardian reports that the Trump administration is set to rollback Obama-era climate change rules regulating emissions from coal-fired power plants. The proposed replacement for the rules will “impose looser, state-based regulations” on coal and is likely to “escalate greenhouse gas emissions”, according to the Guardian.

    The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is set to propose that individual states should decide how, or even if, they should cut CO2 emissions, the New York Times reports. However, “experts said it was unlikely that the new rule would reverse the decline of America’s coal industry,” the newspaper says, adding that competition from cheaper natural gas and renewable energy has been the key driver of recent coal plant closures. The Hill also has the story.

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    pat

    always good for a laugh:

    21 Aug: Guardian: Australia has no climate policy: a quick response to a drawn-out farce
    by Graham Readfearn
    Climate change denial is at the root of the half-baked policies and outright wrecking that have blighted the past decade
    VIDEO: 3mins47secs: Australia’s climate wars: a decade of dithering

    I needed to write this column really quickly, otherwise we might have had a new prime minister before I’d finished, and the climate policy we don’t have might have changed several times.
    I gave myself 30 minutes because that reflects the fickle care and short-termism that has been afforded climate change in Australia in recent years.
    When I say we don’t have a climate policy, that is the literal truth…

    Outside the United States you will struggle to find any major industry association or company – including the World Coal Association – that disagrees with the Paris deal.
    In Australia, all the major big business groups, from the Australian Industry Group to the Business Council of Australia to the coal-boosters at the Minerals Council of Australia, thought the Neg was a good idea. They also back Australia’s Paris targets…

    At the heart of all of this – the putrid rotten core that’s undermined all previous attempts to pull Australia and the world out of its spiral of climate impacts – has been a denial of the science of climate change.
    That rejection by some right-wingers of a falsely perceived “leftist” cause of climate change has fed the policy uncertainty. Too many politicians have stood by and allowed that denial to fester…

    Can the Australian voting public and any fair-minded politician seriously allow the country’s energy and climate “policy” to be dictated by a core led by Tony Abbott – who rejects the science that’s backed by every major scientific institution in the world?

    No matter how many winks and screams you get from the conservative commentators, right-wing shock jocks and the alt-right, this is where we are at. Hostage to a groupthink that’s divorced from reality. Some people need to grow a backbone.
    That’s my 30 minutes. Time’s up.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2018/aug/21/australia-has-no-climate-policy-a-quick-response-to-a-drawn-out-farce

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      Kinky Keith

      Australia has no decency.

      We are Climate Deniers.

      So say the Social Justice Advocats.

      All this from organs like the Guardian which are science free, fact free dispensers of “modern news” formerly known as “propaganda”.

      Repeat after Moi!

      444 T

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        Roy Hogue

        Don’t worry so much Keith. Tomorrow some other group will be the pariahs of this world and we can all rush in and save the day without even needing science more complicated than the “fact” that an apple fell on Isaac Newton’s head one day and as a result he needed his skull put in a splint and voila, he suddenly understood the gravity of his situation.

        See? The problem eventually solves itself. All you and I need to do is survive until it does. Planting lots of apple trees might be a good idea though.

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    pat

    21 Aug: AFR: Donald Trump set to end ‘war on coal’
    by Jacob Greber
    At a rally of supporters in West Virginia on Tuesday President Trump will detail what is expected to be his most meaningful policy effort to revive the US’s flagging coal power industry and end what he has described as a “war” on the energy source.
    Coinciding with the Coalition’s bitter internal fight over energy policy, Mr Trump’s actions are likely to further embolden Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s party room critics who want him to withdraw Australia from the 2015 Paris Agreement on climate change and support more coal power…

    Angela Ledford Anderson, director of climate and energy at the Union of Concerned Scientists, told The Australian Financial Review:…”I don’t think there’s any grand strategy here,” said Ms Anderson. “This is a person, if he weren’t president, that we’d be dismissing as a climate crank, who doesn’t understand or accept the science and is dismissive of the need for action to divert the worst consequences.
    “What he’s doing is really not terribly helpful to the coal communities and workers, and is putting off the inevitable for them, which means they’re not diversifying their economies.”…

    small stuff…but out of little things, big things grow!

    20 Aug: S&P Global: Bob Matyi: Permit renewals approved for several southern Indiana coal mines
    Colleen Baughman, state permit supervisor, told S&P Global Platts Monday her agency recently issued the permit renewal for Sunna, which would be located in Pike County. The mine was initially proposed several years ago by Vigo Coal…
    Meanwhile, Sun Energy Group also was issued a five-year permit renewal for its Hilsmeyer surface mine in Dubois County, according to Baughman…
    Among Hilsmeyer’s customer is Big Rivers Electric of Henderson, Kentucky.
    Baughman said Alliance Resource Partners’ request for a permit renewal for its Gibson South underground mine near Princeton has been deemed complete, and a final decision could come in a few months. Gibson South produced 3.5 million st in the first half of 2018 and 5.9 million st last year, MSHA figures show…
    Baughman, meanwhile, said the permit for Sunrise Coal’s Carlisle underground mine in Sullivan County also was renewed. The Hallador Energy subsidiary recently resumed mining at Carlisle and Baughman said a coal pile is sitting on the ground near the mine…

    21 Aug: Bloomberg: India’s Top Power Producer Seeks First Coal Imports in Four Years
    By Rajesh Kumar Singh
    India’s largest power producer is seeking bids to import coal after a gap of about four years, highlighting a supply crunch users of the fuel are facing as shipments in the country fall short of demand…
    It is looking to boost supplies as plants accounting for more than half its total capacity had less than seven days of coal stock as on Aug. 13, data from the Central Electricity Authority shows…
    Production at Coal India Ltd., which produces more than 80 percent of the country’s coal, has failed to keep pace with rising demand, driven mainly by higher electricity generation…

    Anuj Upadhyay, an analyst at Emkay Global Financial Services Ltd: “It shows the company’s preparedness for the coming months, when electricity demand is expected to grow even further after the end of the rainy season and the start of the festive season.”
    India’s electricity demand rose 5.6 percent from a year earlier in the four months ended July 30, according to CEA data…

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    pat

    20 Aug: The Hindu: Coal use to rise on power uptick: Crisil
    Consumption of non-coking coal is forecast to climb to 1,076 million tonnes in fiscal 2023, from 826 million tonnes in fiscal 2018, Crisil Research said in a report…

    20 Aug: BloombergNewEnergyFinance: Irish Green Auctions Too Little, Too Late for 2020 Target
    The Irish cabinet has approved the overall design of the forthcoming renewable support program. Despite the government’s aims, Bloomberg NEF doesn’t expect the auction system to be sufficient to enable Ireland to meet its 2020 renewables target…

    As a result, Ireland is on track to face a potentially substantial fine, given that it reached a 9.5-percent share of renewable energy consumption in 2016 compared with its goal of 16 percent by 2020. Or it could pay an uncertain sum to cooperate with other European countries…
    https://about.bnef.com/blog/irish-green-auctions-little-late-2020-target/

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    pat

    20 Aug: Brand-e-Biz: Coal enters a new age
    Ramaco Carbon is planning to open Wyoming’s first coal mine aimed at producing high-tech products rather than providing resource for power generation. The company is currently developing what it calls a ‘vertically integrated coal-to-product’ research hub in the state.
    Ramaco CEO Randall Atkins recently told the US House Committee on Natural Resources that the company believes coal has a bright future though not in the way the product has been historically.
    “We see coal ultimately serving higher value purposes, far beyond energy production,” he said.

    The firm’s focus is currently on four key ‘coal to…’ products, with Ramaco working on coal to carbon fibre; coal to resins for 3-D printing; coal to building products, and coal to medical technology for disease diagnosis. All products are expected to deliver high margins.
    And Ramaco is already working with the government on developing coal technology via tie-ups with the National Energy Technology Laboratory and the Oak Ridge National Laboratory…

    Coal mining giant Peabody Energy recently signed an agreement with Arq, a specialist in extracting usable materials from coal waste that is building its first plant in Kentucky. The company says it plans to build 50 facilities in the next seven years, the equivalent of producing 1m barrels of oil per day day.
    Arc Fuels are slated to come to market in 2019…

    The global market for carbon tech products is in the billions and is expected to continue to grow substantially, according to a new report from the American Jobs Project.
    “Wyoming is well positioned to tap into market growth in this industry due to its vast coal and carbon resources, extraordinary R&D assets, favourable tax environment, high quality of life, and commitment to economic diversification,” says the report.

    21 Aug: HydrocarbonEngineering: Air Products awarded coal-to-syngas contract in China
    by Alex Hithersay
    Air Products has been awarded a long-term onsite contract to supply syngas to Jiutai New Material Co. Ltd for its multi-billion dollar mono-ethylene glycol project in Hohhot, China…
    The contract continues Air Products’ extension of its industrial gas supply scope in China, following on from two coal gasification and syngas supply projects undertaken over the past year. In November 2017, Air Products announced a US$3.5 billion coal-to-syngas joint venture (JV) with Yankuang Group in Shaanxi Province; in April 2018, Air Products closed on a similar venture with Lu’An Clean Energy Company in Shanxi Province. “The coal gasification market in China is expected to grow significantly over the next 10 years.
    Owning and operating coal gasifiers and syngas purification units is a logical extension of our global hydrogen and syngas business,” said Phil Sproger, Vice President, Global Gasification and Asia Large Onsites Business Development, at Air Products.

    Furthermore, Air Products announced that Saudi Aramco, Air Products, and ACWA Power recently signed a term sheet to form an over-US$8 billion gasification/power JV located at Jazan Economic City in Saudi Arabia. Earlier this year, Air Products acquired Shell’s coal gasification technology and patents.

    21 Aug: Reuters: BRIEF-China Coal Energy’s H1 Net Profit Up 67.5 Pct Y/Y, To Boost Unit’s Capital
    SAYS IT PLANS TO BOOST CAPITAL OF COKING COAL UNIT BY 980 MILLION YUAN ($142.57 million)

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    pat

    hmmm! behind paywall:

    CFMEU warns Queensland government on rush to go green
    The Australian – 1 day ago
    The CFMMEU has warned the Queensland government that its ambitious 50 per cent renewable energy target is not realistic and Labor should …
    The influential union, which represents workers at coalmines and generators, wrote to the government in May cautioning it against rushing to “unreliable and …what do we expect is going to happen at night?
    “It is very obvious that the answer is clean coal technology”…

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    Roy Hogue

    Since I don’t live in Australia I try not to comment on Australian politics. I’ve said something critical maybe once where the criticism was clear and easy, even for a foreigner, not counting what I said several threads ago about the differences between our systems of government.. But this juggling around for votes to sink or buoy up a Prime Minister has me wanting to say, “Holy cr.p, what a mess.”

    It sounds worse than here where at least I can count on the side every last politician will be on — most importantly, stay on too, at least most of the time.

    I do not envy you the problem of keeping track of all the players. Don’t you wish you could slap them all down like a bunch of disorderly children and send them to bed without any dinner?

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      Kinky Keith

      In short: Yes.

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        Roy Hogue

        :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

        A month or a year of no dinners.

        Or throw those apples, a tone of them. Or should that be spelled tonne? I confess that I’m not certain. I’ve probably gone over the edge into the Twilight Zone and don’t know it but ignorance may be bliss.

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          Roy Hogue

          And now with what’s left of my day there are some bills to pay. At least something is still normal.

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    George McFly......I'm your density

    They played Molonglo cricket and Mr Turnbull topped the score…

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    angry

    Does dutton support the GLOBAL WARMING SCAM?

    Will he abolish the RET?

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