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Climate change is coming for your kids — Who knew children are more likely to die in floods, droughts, heatwaves?

Hear Ye!

To all the world’s recalcitrant, absent, and neglectful parents, paediatricians have arrived to tell you to give your kids a drink during a heatwave, pack food to last through droughts, and that you really need global unaccountable committees to look after your kids. Presumably their junkets meetings will be paid for by you.

Kids are “underprioritized”? (So what do they think 2 billion parents are doing?)

Children are highly vulnerable to health risks of a changing climate

“…researchers at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health and Columbia University Irving Medical Center set out some specific challenges associated with the impacts of climate change on the world’s 2.3 billion children and suggest ways to address their under-prioritized needs.

Researchers discovered children have “anatomic, cognitive, immunologic, and psychologic differences” which put them at more risk than adults. OK. They’ve noticed kids are small and inexperienced. Ambitiously, they apply this to 2.3 billion children, pretty much all of them here on Earth. That’s your kids, mine, “under prioritized”. Hmm.

The finding that children are vulnerable will shock all the parents who assumed their kids would survive the next flood, malaria, and dengue outbreak without any help. What will they discover next?

Dear University Academics,  when you have kids you’ll discover that nothing reorganizes an adult’s priorities better than offspring. We all (even you) evolved from 50,000 generations of adults who prioritized their kids though wild climate change like you can’t even imagine. And they survived ice ages, droughts and super volcanoes and did it without iphones.

Yeah. Looks like we need another arm to the UN, WHO, and local Departments of Health.

Why not call it the UN Ministry of Nannies?

So we thought Malaria was bad, now there is Climate-Change-Related-Malaria and it needs its own team, specialist doctors, funding, and naturally, a different prevention and treatment approach. Because when Malaria is caused by coal plants it’s a totally different disease right?

To begin to address the specific needs of children confronted with climate-change related health disasters, Thomson and colleagues are proposing the following:

1. Establish an international consortium of experts to develop adoptable medical and behavioral protocols and to set research agendas to address the unmet child specific needs that arise from climate-related natural disasters.

There is a whole new world of disaster out there. Now we have Climate-Related-Droughts, Climate-Related-Heatwaves, and Climate-Related-Volcanoes. Do we need Climate-Related Ambulances? After-all, rescuing kids from floods is one thing, but rescuing them from Climate-Change-Floods is … different. (Especially if you have to use solar powered boats).

Where does it end?

2. Develop best practice guidelines for climate-change related event planning that incorporates strategies for addressing the health-related needs of children.
3. Fund mechanisms designed to help the most vulnerable nations prepare for and respond to climate related disasters must consider funding the development of responses that specifically address the unmet needs of children’s health.

Translated: This means more Jobs for friends, Rules for you and Money for us.

Dear taxpayers, the UN is coming for your kids. Don’t give them (or academics like this) any more money.

The full “discovery” at ScienceDaily.

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144 comments to Climate change is coming for your kids — Who knew children are more likely to die in floods, droughts, heatwaves?

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    Ted O'Brien.

    Who paid for this?

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      wal1957

      And does it never end?
      I think I can see another potential windfall for the ‘inventors of this next scam.

      Those of us who shrug this off or call it out the the absolute rubbish that it is, will be given some sort of ‘gynistic’ lable.
      I am sure that an appropriate SJW or ABS ‘journo’ will think of something.

      As with the ‘Delcon’ lable, I will wear the new lable with pride!

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        Lawrie

        I get depressed and angry when I read of this absolute garbage. This is taxpayer money being wasted, in this case American, so often it is ours. These clowns thankfully do not get the airplay they desire but the fact they get any makes one despair.

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      Researchers discovered children have “anatomic, cognitive, immunologic, and psychologic differences” which put them at more risk than adults.

      This is wrong and very worrying. Aren’t the researchers aware that it’s how the kids identify that’s relevant?

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    Kinky Keith

    If you are Not a Scientist, then you will be unprepared to help defend your children and grandchildren from the inevitable Climate Change related health issues, that are just around the corner.

    Be warned and accept that there are experts who can intervene on your behalf. They will handle everything.

    Yeah !!!!!

    Just like the LBQTI dysphoria that some find themselves with.

    This has been dealt with badly by both the powers that be (government) and activists supposedly working in the interests of “gay rights”.

    At the Sydney conference a few months ago when Jo and Ian Plimer spoke, I was fortunate to meet and speak with a number of interesting people.

    Among them was Dana who writes under the working name of “Libby Downunder” for an English media outlet.

    Have a look at her comments online under her work name and you will see what she thinks of the activism around the Trans Gender phenomenon.

    She indicates that she transitioned to female some time ago and seems uncomfortable with the carry on of the activists.

    No doubt your children will be guided by the same politics that causes “Libby” concern.

    This Invasive rubbish is totally Counterproductive.

    KK

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      Kinky Keith

      [Typo fixed in comment above. :-) ]

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      sophocles

      What is worse, the preparation will likely be the opposite of what is required.
      The Warmistas are predicting growing warmth and more heat waves not more ice snow, hail and freezing temperatures.

      The winter deaths for their latest winter are expected to top 40,000 Unfortunately the statistics imply solely the elderly and ill, and are without any finer resolution by age group.

      About 30 children were reported to have succumbed to the latest influenza epidemic: H3N2 is this year’s dominant virus in the Northern Hemisphere, it’ s been circulating for 50 years emerging as the “Hong Kong flu” in 1968 and it is regarded as the most lethal of the seasonal strains. But influenza doesn’t count: it’s not Death by Heatwave.

      Those who keep their eyes and ears open know two things:

      1. Homo sapiens sapiens is a warm climate animal who has learnt through the repetitive returns of the ice during the current ice age, to manage whatever temperature his/her surroundings throw at them with … (sound the trumpets) clothing. Clothing and be donned and doffed to regulate temperature just right! Just think of the new fashion opportunities! :-) . Mrs Bloomer would be proud …

      2. Cold kills. The so-called heatwave of last month is, according to that ever so truthful and factual organ of news The Guardian responsible for a mere 700 deaths. Interestingly enough, the Guardian alleged it was mostly the aged and infirm who were at most at risk. Not the children? No, nothing about the children.

      On the other hand, the venerable Telegraph, said back in February: From the beginning of December until January 16, there were 8,800 more deaths than the average of 25,000, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS)
      with total deaths expected to exceed 40,000.

      But of course, the warmistas are more concerned about possible—improbable but barely possible—future heatwave deaths (see the Guardian article linked to above) in excess of 7000 deaths by the 2040s. That’s an order of magnitude greater.
      But it must be going to happen because that was the conclusion of a committee of MPs. (Climate experts, the lot of them. Hey you! Stop laughing eh? This is serially silly. Not even Spike Milligna (the Well-known Typing Error) could have kept up with this. This exceeds his humour by a serious margin! :-) )

      If the NH winters follow a similar pattern to those of the Dalton Minimum, and the UK’s last winter is “expected to kill over 40,000 when average annual winter deaths are supposedly 25,000, then it isn’t hard to postulate from the same lack of evidence a winter with an “excess death rate of 70,000. So far, Nobody has. So far nobody seems worried about present levels.

      It’s obvious to see where they wear their hearts, their concern, their care, their compassion, their kindliness, their humanity. Not. That little ever so humble heatwave-obsessed little gnome of the Grantham Institute, Robert Ward, is an excellent example of the level of concern.

      Solar Cycle 24 has about 4 years left to run. Solar Cycle 25 is predicted to be as strong as “somewhere between SC 20 and SC 24″ which makes future Solar Activity about the same as the Dalton Minimum. So it would be reasonable to expect similar weather as that time. That was the time of felted wool as a common material for men’s suits and woman’s dresses with heavy woollen overcoats for both. If you have ever wondered why the Scottish Highlands were cleared of people in order to grow lots and lots of sheep (aka wool growers—not to be confused with wool-growers, the owners of the sheep) you know now. There was a lot of money in it for the wool-growers. (Don’t worry, the sheep didn’t see a penny of it.)

      Charles Dickens grew up during the Dalton Minimum and the cold weather right through most of the nineteenth century was normal, for him. An excellent record of it exists in his books. So, it you want to be fore-warned, you know what to read … :-)

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        sophocles

        All the above is from the UK, home of the Guardian and the Telegraph, both X-spurt reporters of pseudo-science, Cargo Cult Climate Change, fake facts and made-up statistics. Some of the statistics I’ve quoted could actually be true. You judge.
        Remember: ‘X’= the unknown quantity
        and a ‘spurt’ is a drip under pressure .

        The learned committee was comprised of (mmphh! cough*) MPs from Westminister, the UK Parliament. ‘Nuff said …

        The heatwave occurred over 15 days across Britain, from the 25th of June to the 9th July 2018. No temperature was sufficiently high to meet the official qualifying level of extreme. It was really pretty highly localised weather from a narrow but strong anti-cyclone which covered the UK, northern France, and the north-west corner of Portugal and Spain, Scandinavia, and Northern Germany. There was another one over eastern Siberia.

        In the warmists minds (?) these two anti-cyclones, thousands of miles apart, with lots of weather between them, were linked. The link was invisible but all the warmists could see it.

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          el gordo

          The warmists have sharp eyes and can see things much more clearly than most, they are also prone to wild imaginings.

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        Graeme No.3

        How about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and the frequent mention of dense fogs in winter as Londoners burnt coal to keep warm (generating a London Particuler as mentioned by Dickens).

        My little comment refers to Prof. Richard Owen who went out early one morning and found his way by counting the number of roads/alleys as he felt the house walls as he walked. Having memorised the route he got to the slaughterhouse to be inspected then returned home in time for a hearty breakfast. That was through Whitechapel in London. (He fitted in a Government Commission around his regular work. They made them tough in those days).

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    IainC of The Ponds

    More children would be saved from needless death in a year by a concerted UN campaign for clean drinking and bathing water provided by dams and water purification plants (you know, like we expect to have in the first world) than would ever be saved by micro-selective ideas like this one. But that wouldn’t attract academic funding, so loooooow priority. In point of fact, tens of millions would be saved from early death by an international outlawing of ignorant racially-targeted Green anti-progressive campaigns against, not only dams, but affordable, practical (fossil fuel) energy, high yield GMO or hybrid crops bred for the conditions, land clearance for intensive large scale farming, widespread use of fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides, and the like (you know, like we have and expect in the first world already). But that’s a fantasy. Let’s save one or two lives instead of tens of millions by twenty years funding and research on how climate change might affect children (always assuming it is for the worse of course – it could be better for them, can I have some money?).

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      ivan

      To protect the children they need to ensure that all countries have cheap reliable power provided by coal fired power stations. That way the parents could afford heating and cooling as well as refrigerators, cooking stoves in place of dung burning fires that cause respirety problems, clean running water and sewage systems.

      Instead of that they are heading towards an ecological disaster with the poisonous byproducts from all the ‘renewable’ energy equipment, solar panels and lithium batteries.

      Will non of them think of the children instead of their back pockets?

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    John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

    How about the kids who died from the Volcanoes, Earthquakes and Tsunamis in Indonesia? Nothing to do with climate change.

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      Yonniestone

      How about the kids that died from curable diseases or injuries because funding for medical research gets swallowed up in the $1.5 trillion climate cartel every year?

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    gary@erko

    Has there ever been a generation who “did it for their kids”, and the kids didn’t think their parents’ legacy was corrupt.

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    PeterPetrum

    Gee, Jo, you have been on fire over the last few days! I am absolutely certain that you cannot be sleeping at night – as my mother would say, “you must be up to High Do”. You really have managed to gather together the most frustrating, annoying, worrying, distressing series of commentaries that I have ever seen end-to-end.

    Thank you, I think you need some chocolate!

    [Thank you Peter. We do! Much appreciated. - Jo]

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    PeterS

    I thought the Greens always wanted to cull children that refused to follow the climate change mantra, not bother to look after them.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfnddMpzPsM

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      James Murphy

      Other people’s children are expendable, particularly if their skin colour, socioeconomic background, and parents voting preferences defines them as “privileged”. When a Greens supporter has children, it’s to save the planet, when a Trump supporter has children, it’s raping the environment, along with perpetuating bigotry and naziism.

      Whatever the Greens, and other various “save the planet” organisations once stood for (and some positive things they achieved) is irrelevant. Their leaders, and an army of useful idiots have damaged our economy and our society more effectively than various terrorist organisations could ever hope.

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        Mary E

        It isn’t just the “privileged” people’s kids – the children of those living in the tropics, in the deserts; the children of people whom the greens claim to speak for and have yet to really do anything good for. The non-voting non-USAn non-European victims of white privilege, who are more likely to be victims of green privilege and idiocy than not.

        Africa doesn’t need land-clearance farming, it needs farming adapted to its varied climates and soils, and a good bit time without war between factions and nations and corrupt rulers. Ditto much of the “starving” nations, especially tropical or desert-like ones. Why force northern wheat crops on a nation or area that would be better suited to growing a similar but native crop?

        All the people the greens claim to speak for? Just fodder for the marketing and media campaigns and future maids and gardeners. Trump cares more about what happens to a random Kenyan or S Pacific Islander or Brazilian jungle dweller than most greens do, and I doubt he thinks much about them to start with. All the money gathered and spent on CAGW hasn’t done a thing to help any poor third world nation or people, not a thing. It’s built great big toys for rich little boys, made a bunch of money for the in-crowd, and that is about all.

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    Ian Hill

    The best thing they can introduce into schools is a course titled “how to live without the internet for a week”. How to read maps and street directories should have a high priority.

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    There has lately been a cognitive perception of an unmet sanity-specific need to fund mechanisms to incorporate strategies with a view to setting research agendas for an international consortium of experts to develop adoptable Cossack hordes for the purpose of trampling all management-speak, academese and corporatese into the dust forever.

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      ROM

      mosomoso @ # 8

      And here’s me thinking you said sometime back that you needed a thesaurus! :-)

      Or are you employed by the UN during working hours to write its press releases?!

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Errrr,…whassat?

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        Yonniestone

        The UN (Brussels) invent problems to give their mates jobs.

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          el gordo

          Its recently come to my notice that the United States and United Kingdom are the biggest investors in Australia, followed by Belgium, Japan and Hong Kong (SAR of China).

          Surely there must be something rotten in Denmark if Belgium is third on the list.

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            sophocles

            el gordo @ 9.2.1.1:

            Surely there must be something rotten in Denmark if Belgium is third on the list.

            Electricity prices. No money left to invest anywhere … :-(

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              Graeme No.3

              Ah! But with 541 days without a government Belgians saved money and were able to invest abroad. Either that or all those EU bureaucrats on their huge (almost tax free) salaries have been looking to salt their savings as far away from the doomed EU as possible.

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    pat

    posting this here, but also on jo’s previous thread, because I’ve just posted some stuff on China/India etc:

    AUDIO: 14mins22secs: 10 Aug: 2GB: Ben Fordham: ‘It achieves nothing’: Liberal MP savages Paris Agreement
    Liberal MP Craig Kelly has savaged Australia’s involvement in the Paris Agreement, saying it is “achieves nothing”…
    But Mr Kelly says major emitters like China and India have done nothing to reduce their impact, and Australia is stuck with “the most onerous targets per capita in the world”.

    The Member for Hughes tells Ben Fordham we should no longer be apart of the deal.
    “I’m not the prime minister, but I think we should pull out of Paris.
    “I think it’s damaging to the economy and I think it achieves nothing.
    “There’s no environmental advantage of it.”…

    The Coalition party room will consider the policy in Canberra next week, but Mr Kelly says he’s yet to see the fine print and won’t be willing to vote in favour until he sees it.
    “I want to be able to see the full details,” he tells Ben.
    “I think it’s not quite reasonable if we see the legislation… 9 o’clock on Monday morning and are expected to vote on it, sort of by 10:30.”

    When asked by a listener whether he knows any other colleagues who are prepared to cross the floor on the issue, Mr Kelly’s answer is simple.
    “Yes.”
    https://www.2gb.com/it-achieves-nothing-liberal-mp-savages-paris-agreement/

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    Richard Ilfeld

    The United Nations has given us, over the years, proof positive that Gresham’s Law
    applies to bureaucrats.

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    ROM

    .
    Be grateful for small mercies!

    I’ve come across this at least twice over the last few days which means that this phenomena is likely becoming fashionable and more wide spread in the Deep Green , selfie centred “Me ” elitist circles.

    Interviews with a couple of deep green fem-nazis had them proclaiming that they were not going to have children as it would only add to the burden that earth and its scarce resources has to already endure in catering for such a mass of humanity today.

    My reaction;
    Bloody Beaudy! Thats another lot, another generation of green elitist misanthropes [ haters of mankind ] that is now never going to be a part of humanity’s gene pool .

    If this keeps up we might even be able to raise the IQ of humanity a few points by the next generation.

    I only wish that the green fem-nazis parents had followed their off spring’s examples.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      ROM, they have always been around, especially since the arrival of the contraceptive pill.

      50 years ago it was The Bomb. They weren’t going to bring kids into the world to be blown up by nuclear wars. Really, any excuse to avoid the responsibility of raising a family will do.

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        Another Ian

        “since the arrival of the contraceptive pill.”

        I wonder if they pause to thank the inventors and manufacturers of those pills – whom they are probably regularly denigrating in the anti capitalistic chanting?

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          sophocles

          Another Ian @ # 12.1.1

          … and if they have ever considered the full and detailed carbon footprint of the manufacture, packaging and distribution of those little pills.

          Hmm, maybe I shouldn’t have dropped that hint. Darn.

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      Yonniestone

      Question: If feminists hate men so much why would a contraceptive pill be necessary?

      I suppose the movement were mitigating for any unforeseen cock ups.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        I see what you did there.
        *now I’ve got to go and wash my eyes out*

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        sophocles

        Yonniestone @ # 12.2:

        I suppose the movement were mitigating for any unforeseen cock ups

        Accidents have been known to happen. All the time. That’s why they come with “… no money back and no guarantee …:-)

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        Annie

        We knew someone who decided to have a vasectomy after ‘completing’ his family. Anyway, the outcome was another child as he didn’t wait long enough for it to take proper effect! His car reg. no. started with EEF, which all who knew him promptly interpreted as ‘Extra Efficient Father’.

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    William

    I am having some difficulty figuring out something,
    If kids can go outside in the summer when the temperature is 35C at noon, and then later on go outside in the winter when it is 5C, and still survive, why is “global warming” of 0.8C going to hurt them?
    Inquiring minds want to know.

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      Ian Hill

      It’s the climate vs weather argument William!

      Kids are more adaptable than adults, especially when it comes to technology. Who do we turn to when we want to get some new fangled invention working? Our children!

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      sophocles

      How often have you ever seen a child work up a sweat?
      (I’m not talking about teens or nearly teens!)

      Adaptability to heat is definitely to do with size. The bigger the animal the more heat it contains and the smaller its surface-area to volume/mass ratio, and the sooner it is uncomfortable with rising temperatures. Handles cold well.

      Little kids: not a problem. High surface area to volume/mass ratio, low mass, not a lot of contained heat, ergo able to handle high temps but really notices cold.

      Most UN bureaucrats involved with climate change must be … umm, over fed if they think
      rising temps are a problem for children. It would be for them. Same goes for greens etc

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      Radical Rodent

      Sorry. Red thumb is me on my phone – fat fingers on small buttons. Please read it as a green thumb.

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    TdeF

    It’s depressing when your Prime Minister says Climate Change caused the drought in NSW.

    The original Global Warming scare is clearly over.

    Now we have this nebulous Climate Change which is just like Global Warming but without the warming. Also without the rapidly rising oceans and without the mass extinctions.

    It is still a terrible rolling disaster and caused entirely by our use of coal, not diesel or gas and even if nothing appears to be actually wrong. So we have to give his wife’s friends $444Million today to save the Great Barrier Reef from Climate Change, even if no one is clear on what to do with the money this side of Christmas. Or the next Christmas. There is a 100 page document though, so we can rest easy. The money is safely transferred.

    Our Prime Minister says so and he is a genius. So is his wife. Depressing.

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    If children are vulnerable to anything, it’s the lies and misinformation promulgated by a far left education system that’s designed to prevent those children from learning how to think for themselves.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Which is why they want to keep the kids in schooling until long after they have become adults. Never mind that it makes the schools dysfunctional.

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      Another Ian

      Thus it was refreshing when, during one of Qld’s spates of “football fields of tree clearing” to receive and email from a son at boarding school linking to one such and headed

      “Hey Dad. Get a look at this load of bulls***”

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    UPDATE: Just so this point doesn’t slip past, I felt I should point out how sweeping this finding is. Added a line:

    Ambitiously, they apply this to 2.3 billion children, pretty much all of them here on Earth. That’s your kids, mine, “under prioritized”.

    PS: Thanks Peter. I was feeling more like I was underachieving lately. :- )

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    UPDATE #2:

    There is a whole new world of disaster out there. Now we have climate-related drought, climate-related heatwave, and climate-related-volcanoes. Do we need climate-related Ambulances?

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      Do we need climate-related Ambulances?”

      Perhaps for those infected with Climate Hysteria Syndrome which seems to have a common pathology with Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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        Yonniestone

        The ambulance siren could be a recording of Bill McKibben wailing.

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          ROM

          Well if the banks and superannuation industry needs any further excuses they could say [ and a few have tried this on! ] that their present predicament is “climate related.’”

          Very banker cultural climate related !

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          toorightmate

          While talking of sirens, bells, etc. I am reminded of the father who used to tell his children that when the Mr Whippy van rang the bell that meant that he had run out of ice cream.

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      Another Ian

      How about just plain “climate related sense”?

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      John F. Hultquist

      I’ll settle for a climate-related cold beer.

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      sophocles

      Jo. you forgot Climate related earthquakes ?

      “Did the earth move for you? Must be Climate Change!”

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    Reasonable Skeptic

    Snowflakes are raising kids I guess.

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    TdeF

    We had the X generation, the Y generation, the millenials, the noughts. Now we will have the CCCs. Climate Change Children. The first truly disadvantaged generation who will never experience a cold night or snow or politicians with any sense at all.

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      Graeme No.3

      Except when their parents take them skiing.

      We can only hope that one day they will find some politicians with sense.

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    u.k.(us)

    No more running with scissors ?

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      Yonniestone

      As a kid we had a dog called scissors….had to walk the bloody thing everywhere….. :(

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        John F. Hultquist

        Great comment. Thanks.
        Did Scissors have just two opposing legs?

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          Yonniestone

          Yep just walked in circles, had a cat called needle that was a real so and so…..

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            Greg Cavanagh

            Clever.
            We had a dog named Yippy Beans. He was well named. (like a bag of jumping beans).

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              Sambar

              Had a dog named REPCO, he was a replacement part for a dog named Spinner

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                ROM

                “Whelan” named after the 1970s wrecking firm, “Whelan the Wreckers” for very obvious reasons when he was a pup.

                “Boots” as that was his main diet when he was a pup.

                A neighbour had “Sprocket” a sheep dog who went round and round as he rounded up sheep.

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              Annie

              Greg C, that’s nearly as daft as our cat we named Kitty Nutkin. We felt a bit silly when he had to go to the vet’s! That was in England, many years ago.

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                Annie

                When we first moved to Australia he was adopted by friends who renamed him ‘Bogey’ because of the spot on his nose!

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    diogenese2

    The good news is that to have conceived this paper in the first place assumes the “mitigation” of “climate change” must fail and “adaption” is the appropriate strategy, which Bjorn Lomborg showed back in 1998 in “The Sceptical Enviromentalist”. He did this accepting the IPCC scenario without dispute on the rational grounds that he was an economist not a climate scientist. At last the academics are absorbing this.
    The bad news is that they have now found a way to extend their gold stream by fantasising on the adaption needed and inventing these new categories of climate disaster that require specialist research to manage. It does not work of course because it breaks the “rainbow coalition” of environmentalists, globalists and neo-marxists committed to the destruction of the industrial development essential to “adaption”. Expect airborne faecal matter in response to this initiative.

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    Roy Hogue

    I could ask, what cause hasn’t come for your kids? Unfortunately they do something more sinister for your kids and try to turn them against you. And they have a great success rate. If every line of code I wrote had been correct as often as they turn out an addlebrained graduate I’d have thought I died and went to programmer heaven.

    I keep hearing that the young will be our salvation. But it looks more like they’ll drive us all right into the ground with their grand utopian schemes.

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      Roy Hogue

      Whatever happened to the idea we once understood, that those who had been around longer probably knew something and should be learned from?

      Don’t bother answering, I know what happened. Every generation has had to repeat the mistakes of its elders some way or another. Sigh.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        It somehow became fashionable to denigrate one’s elders.
        I think this western society style of separate living harms our community a lot. We lose that interactivity between the generations.

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          RicDre

          “It somehow became fashionable to denigrate one’s elders.”

          James Burke’s thesis in his series “The Day The Universe Changed” (Program 4, “A Mater of Fact”) is that elders were revered because they were the keeper of memories (and thus facts). As technologies to first store memories (writing, then the printing press) and then quickly retrieve them (indexes, cross indexes then finally hyperlinks), elder’s memories went from being crucial to being superfluous and this, I think, explains why elders are no longer held in high regard.

          (On a side note, James Burke’s books/series “The Day The Universe Changed” or any of his “Connections” books/series are very interesting and highly recommended.)

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            Annie

            It’s not just that though, is it? A long life of experience should also produce wisdom, from which society benefits and which was formerly valued. I have, though, met old people who seem to lack it and lack self knowledge and some who are very bitter.
            I remember seeing something somewhere to the effect that a bitter old person is the crowning achievment of the devil.

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          Annie

          Keeping in touch with family is the major reason we keep dragging ourselves around the planet while there are a lot of other places we’d like to see but haven’t the time, money and energy for it. They come first and so do our oldest and best friends.

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        Graeme No.3

        Was it Mark Twain who pointed out that at 17 he couldn’t understand how such an ignorant man as his father had survived in the World, but at 21 was amazed at how much his father had learnt in 4 years?

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    Mark M

    It’s clear there are four types of deadly CO2:

    -Heat causing
    -Cold causing
    -Flood causing
    -Fire causing

    > If we learn to use them properly we can actually cancel out all bad weather.

    Sadly for these fish, it’s too late.

    The cold causing CO2 got ‘em …

    More than 700kg of dead fish pulled out of Brisbane lake

    “They [the council] did a number of tests on water quality with regard to the algae, the oxygen levels and a few other tests to make sure the environment wasn’t killing the fish, such as poison,” he said.

    They have decided that what has happened is that the temparature of the lake got low enough the tilapia couldn’t survive.

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/brisbane-news/more-than-700kg-of-dead-fish-pulled-out-of-brisbane-lake-20180809-p4zwj1.html

    Climate changed here. The fish died as it got colder. So much for the warming.

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    Ruairi

    Earth’s kids are in climate-change trouble,
    So alarmists must act on the double,
    Build a climate-free dome,
    As a safe children’s home,
    With a nanny for each in the bubble.

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    PeterS

    Get used to it. The evil left is growing in strength, not because they are clever but because they are ignored by most normal people. Whenever someone like Abbott or Bolt comes out and speaks their mind to state the obvious about why aboriginal children are brutally raped and are ignored by the establishment largely controlled by the left, the left go crazy as though Hitler came back and started making his infamous speeches. The only thing necessary for the triumph of the left is for voters to continue supporting LNP or ALP+Greens.

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      TdeF

      Hitler was always a socialist of the violent Left of politics. State power over life and death. The opposite of small government low taxing Conservatives. His competition were the Communists, not the Conservatives. Like Lenin he took control with only 25% of the vote. As Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie Sanders or Di Natale hope to do.

      As dedicated Green voters, the Turnbulls were more cunning and infiltrated the Liberals and pretended to be conservatives. His arch enemy remains the straight talking Abbott. Everyone fears Abbott as he means what he says, makes sense and does what he says. It took everybody working together to get rid of him, but he still gets publicity and refuses to leave Turnbull’s Liberals and keeps making sense.

      Really, no one even believes Climate Change. It does not even make sense. Global Warming is obviously not true. The enemy now is evil coal. Luckily it is black and therefore the embodiment of pollution. What the politicians are doing to our electricity system makes no sense at all but that is irrelevant. Without any explanation, it has something to do with Climate Change. Somehow. What CO2 has to do with malaria is unknown.

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        TdeF

        National Socialistiche Arbiter Partie, National Socialists. NAZIs. It was a term of ridicule for Hitler’s movement.
        It is odd the Left are protesting against NAZIs and Fascists when they are the NAZIs and Fascists, but they know no history or science. The deplorables.

        Mussolini’s Fascisti were also utterly opposed to both the Communists and the Conservatives and what they sought was identical to what the Communists sought. Total control by the government, elites and bureaucrats. Just like Washington, Brussels, Beijing and Canberra today. Climate Change is just an excuse.

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          Dave in the States

          Mussolini was a socialist before he re-identified himself as a fascist. As with all politicians watch what they actually do. What they say and how they label themselves, and others, means nothing.

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          Graeme No.3

          TdeF: Nationalist Socialist Workers Party.
          Early observers saw little difference between them and the Socialists, as did the followers (see Patrick Leigh-Fermor A Time of Gifts about the ease of conversion). They called both Bolsheviks. It was only the anti-semitism that gave them appeal to the British (and other) upper classes.
          The right wing bit was Stalin who was fighting off Trotsky as a Left Wing Deviationist, so the NAZIs had to be Right Wing Deviationists. Indeed the NAZI’s were far more ‘green minded’ with smoking banned, vegetarianism (although Hitler wasn’t really so) and a Commissar (or equivalent) for Forests. Goring had large areas turned into National Parks so he could go hunting).
          Dave in the State:
          Not just a Socialist but one of the leading Socialists in Europe, far better known than Lenin. As he had actual experience in the war the swich had something to do with gaining support from the veterans and the Military. (And to the credit of the Military they would have noting to do with anti-semiticism until 1943 when the Germans took over part of Italy.)

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      PeterS

      Although the distinction by some between left and tight wing politics, between communism and national socialism, etc, etc. is interesting it misses the point I was trying to make. They are all in the end the same and that sameness involves dictatorship, subversion of the truth, slaughter or death of those who refuse to comply, and a whole host of other evil actions. We in Australia are witnessing without much resistance a gradually move to that general catastrophic end. If it continues it matters not whether we end up like right-extremist Germany was during WW2 or like left-extremist Soviet Russia during the same period, which happen to be at war with each other at the time. It makes no difference whether one is killed by drowning in water or by hanging. The end result is the same. As long as most people are apathetic and aloof as we are then things will continue to decay. It will only turn around if people wake up and do something about it. Now there are two ways to achieve this. One is peaceful and democratic, the other is violent. I prefer the former for obvious reasons but it appears things will need to get much worse and as a result the latter option may be inevitable as history shows.

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      I’m truly shocked. I saw no mention of Australian politics in the science daily article or the research it was reporting. How could they have no seen the obvious connection?

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    TdeF

    We are all suffering from Climate Change. It is an unnatural disaster which produces Climate Change paranoia which left untreated produces erratic and illogical behaviour by politicians who become frightened by coal and hand out billions to their friends in business. This terror also infects the public service, the ABC/SBS, leftist journalists, the universities who start to live in fear of coal, the crown of thorns starfish, Tony Abbott and the imminent demise of the massive 2300 km (1400 mile) Great barrier reef which was built by ab*rigines over tens of thousands of years. Coal even produces malaria. No amount of money, no hardship, no sacrifice is enough to soothe this irrational fear. Perhaps the only known remedy is in billions of dollars in windmills and carbon credits to merchant bankers like Goldmann Sachs. Won’t someone think of the poor children? They are always the ones who suffer.

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      el gordo

      ‘Won’t someone think of the poor children?’

      We have lost the millennials, I have yet to meet one who hasn’t been severely brainwashed, but hopefully we can find a remedy to open their minds.

      Humour would be the best way, unless of course they have lost their sense of humour through PC.

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        Bobl

        They are not all believers but a lot are, but many have enough nouse to make the jump that the premature death of grannies unable to heat their houses is evil.

        Remember the old adage though if you are not a progressive in your 20s you have no heart but if you are not a conservative by your forties you have no brain. Many will shift views as they grow up, Mark Latham for example.

        The shift to scepticism is one way, you can never unknow that AGW is wrong, scientifically and morally. Once the eyes are opened there is no going back

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    TdeF

    There is a myth that malaria is a warm tropical disease. In fact it thrives in all latitudes and in the far North of Siberia the mosquitoes can form black clouds. You need tropical strength repellent in the far north which has an enormous population of animals and birds in the hot wet summer as all the ice melts, the sun shines all day and the wildlife and mosquitoes appear over a vast area. For example perhaps 30,000 workers died in the building of Peter the Great’s St. Petersburg around 1700 in the swamp. That’s why the beautiful canals. Similarly in Venice where the original settlement on Torcello was wiped out and Venice moved to its current location. Swamps and summer in the North and mosquitoes. Malaria remains the world’s greatest curse at all latitudes. It’s just that we don’t have such dangerous swamps in Australia, except in the unpopulated far North and Canberra.

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      sophocles

      TdeF @ # 27:
      You’ll just have to drain the swamps and build beautiful canals in the unpopulated far north so Malaria is no longer a problem there.

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        Tdef

        The swamps are gone. Beautiful city. Wherever there is abundant wildlife you have mosquitoes. Even at 60 North.

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    TdeF

    There is Trump Derangement Syndrome. Closer to home Abbott Derangement syndrome. Then Coal Derangement Syndrome.

    What we need is for this to be treatable on the National Health, a National Derangement Insurance Scheme. Its sounds a bit better than Abbottitis or perhaps a load of Turnbull.

    You have to admire Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, quietly spending billions of their own money actually looking for a cure for Malaria, the nastiest amoebic parasite ever and the world’s greatest killer. Politicians in Australia are spending billions of our money to reduce world CO2 which will cool the planet and so reduce the mosquito population and so reduce malaria in Melbourne and Sydney. It’s a long term plan apparently. Or we just need an NDIS? Or a cure for Abbottitis.

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      el gordo

      Tony Abbott on 2GB

      “I’ve turned climate change into a bare-knuckle cost of living fight against Labor, and won an election. I can do it again. I know how to beat Labor, because I’ve got the stomach for the knock out punch.”

      Whenever I mention Tony Abbott’s name in green/left polite society, they laugh and spit on the floor. Is that a symptom of Abbott Derangement syndrome?

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      Dave in the States

      You have to admire Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, quietly spending billions of their own money actually looking for a cure for Malaria, the nastiest amoebic parasite ever and the world’s greatest killer. Politicians in Australia are spending billions of our money to reduce world CO2 which will cool the planet and so reduce the mosquito population and so reduce malaria in Melbourne and Sydney.

      What about DDT?

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        TdeF

        Banning DDT was a terrible mistake costing millions of lives. Typical Green overreach. Properly used DDT remains extremely effective. Like so many Green initiatives, they had all their facts wrong. Banning Chlorine, an element of the periodic table remains Greenpeace’s greatest initiative. Carbon is next.

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    J.H.

    “Children are highly vulnerable to the risks of a changing climate”, wails the headline. I’m pretty sure baskets of kittens are at risk too… You always know that when the Ecofascists start using children and animals as props in their propaganda that they are getting desperate.

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    Dean_from_Ohio

    These Marxists would have more credibility if they weren’t rabid fanatics for abortion on demand, through which they have murdered some 800 million of the smallest and most vulnerable children of all. And they would have more credibility if they weren’t Marxists too.

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    Amber

    Forget climate change …. debt is going to finish off the next generation . But perhaps before all that
    the lack of civil discourse snipping the threads of society may do it first . Something is going to snap
    and it is going to get ugly .

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      Annie

      I think it’s pretty ugly already Amber. The thugs in our streets whose nasty behaviour isn’t properly policed and punished is encouraging more and more of it. The closing down of free speech under threats of violence means that we are living in very dsngerous times.

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    pat

    10 Aug: NBC New York: Mysterious Floating Package Sparks Bomb Scare, Turns Out To Be NASA Experiment
    A mysterious package attached to a bright red parachute set off a bomb scare on Tuesday — but the white Styrofoam box turned out to be a NASA experiment.

    A group of solar panel employees spotted the box when it floated to the ground at a solar panel field affiliated with the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, off of New Road in South Brunswick, around noon.
    When the employees approached the package, they discovered a handwritten message attached to the outside of it.
    “NASA Atmospheric Research Instrument NOT A BOMB! If found, please call [redacted]. If this lands near the President, we at NASA wish him a great round of golf.”

    Not reassured by the message or the noise the package was making, employees reported the box to police.
    “We just had a package — I’m not making this up — parachute onto my site,” a caller is heard saying in a recording. “It’s a white Styrofoam package. It’s making a weird noise.”
    Police dispatched officers and a bomb squad to the area, evacuated the site and set up a perimeter, a South Brunswick detective said. Secret Service also investigated the package, according to the detective.
    They soon learned the box filled with wires really was part of a NASA experiment. The box “contained a weather balloon instrument that measures ozone,” NASA said in a statement provided to News 4 New York.

    The parachute launched from a Rutgers University-owned site as part of a “Long Island Sound Tropospheric Ozone Study.”
    “In this instance, a summer student employee, not affiliated with Rutgers, added extra text, in a misguided attempt to be lighthearted,” NASA said.
    “The student who appended the note was removed from the project, and we are taking steps to standardize the labeling on these scientific instruments,” NASA added.

    A total of six weather balloons were launched on Sunday, police said. So far, two of the balloons have been recovered — including the one found Tuesday and another one found in Readington Township, near President Donald Trump’s Bedminster golf club.
    Police say anyone who finds one of the remaining four balloons has nothing to worry about.
    They don’t have any plans to charge the NASA employee or the intern with a crime for releasing the balloons.
    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Mysterious-Floating-Package-That-Sparked-Bomb-Scare-Was-a-NASA-Experiment-490483211.html

    Associated Press’s coverage of the above has been instantly picked up by MSM worldwide.

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    pat

    10 Aug: Breitbart: James Delingpole: Now YouTube Is Adding ‘Fact Checks’ to Videos that Question ‘Climate Change’
    And so it begins: YouTube is now adding “fact checks” to videos which question the man-made global warming scare narrative…
    Sure, in many ways it’s a trivial and pathetic gesture. Quoting Wikipedia as your credible source is a bit like citing CNN as the go-to site for all the latest info on Donald Trump. And anyway, that “scientifically accurate explainer” is at best vague, at worst far more misleading than the videos it is supposed to be “fact checking.”

    It says:
    “Global warming, also referred to as climate change is the observed century-scale rise in the average temperature of the Earth’s climate system and its related effects. Multiple lines of scientific evidence show that the climate system is warming.”…

    The George-Soros-funded Media Matters for America, for example, recently published a long screed excoriating Mark Zuckerberg for hosting climate sceptical articles, videos and adverts on Facebook…
    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/10/big-tech-starts-to-censor-climate-skeptics/

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    ROM

    The Fundamental characteristics of psuedo climate scientist’s pronouncements on a subject they have just invented and to which they as “revered ” [ in their own minds ] climate scientists have found the solution for.

    Jo’s headline article ticks off the folllowing to make it a climate science based pronouncement;

    1/ It accurately predicts the future. ✔︎

    2 / Nobody thought the problem even existed until it was invented by climate scientists. ✔︎

    3 / The scientific solution to the invented problem takes no account of the world outside of the academic bubble it was created in. ✔︎

    4 / The problem found never affects the climate scientists who found it. It only applies to those outside of the academic climate science bubble. ✔︎

    5 / Therefore the climate scientists and fellow travellers have never taken any action themselves to solve the problem nor do they see any need to do so on their own behalf. ✔︎

    6 / The climate scientists must be given full authority to solve the problem as they are the only ones capable of doing so. ✔︎

    7 / ALL funding and all resources must be diverted to climate scientists to enable them to solve the problem. ✔︎

    8 / ALL authority over man and beast and wealth and ruiches on this planet must be made over to and be under the firm control of the climate scientists to ensure that the increasingly catastrophic problem will be solved before all is lost. ✔︎

    9 / Such all embracing political and economic power and authority must be given to climate scientists NOW as the matter since its invention has becom a life and death problem for the planet. ✔︎

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    Bruce

    Just more rubbish from totalitarian warmist fraudsters.

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    pat

    10 Aug: Guardian: Opinion: As panic about climate change sets in, I’m thinking about escape – to Canada
    The summer of heatwaves and forest fires leaves my friends feeling helpless and a little hysterical. And who can blame us?
    by Emma Brockes
    The New York Times has devoted an entire edition of its magazine, some 30,000 words, to a terrifying piece about climate change. With 2C warming – an unlikely best-case scenario at this point, scientists were quoted as saying – the planet faces “long-term disaster”…
    The possibility that the Earth might warm by 5C, wrote the author, Nathaniel Rich, had prompted some of the world’s leading scientists to warn of the end of human civilisation…

    I was having lunch with friends in Brooklyn on Sunday, in a low-lying area that will be under water when all of this comes to pass and, political analysis aside, all we could focus on was: what on earth are we going to do? More specifically, how to ensure the survival of our children, and should it involve buying a compound in some remote part of Canada?
    The difficulty is knowing how to recognise the klaxon call when it comes. Is this, the summer of forest fires and record heatwaves, the climate disaster equivalent to Kristallnacht? Or can we safely not think about it for another 10 years?…

    Eventually, we came back to the question of Canada. (Or in the UK, Scotland.) Assessments by climate scientists have suggested cities around the Great Lakes are viable – and, until everyone else panics, affordable!…
    Peter Thiel and his fellow billionaires are, of course, developing survival strategies that include the creation of manmade archipelagos in international waters. Whenever I feel lassitude about long-term planning, I picture the future of humanity in the form of Thiel, smug on his island, and am almost – but not quite – irritated into action.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/10/climate-change-escape-canada-summer-heatwaves

    Guardian writer could be a soul-mate of Charotte below, who lives in NZ and also works for NYT and Radio NZ, according to her Twitter page:

    11 Aug: SMH: New Zealand to ban foreigners from buying homes
    By Charlotte Graham-McLay, UK Telegraph
    Wellington: Foreigners face a ban on buying homes in New Zealand after a spending splurge by millionaires seeking doomsday bolt-holes crowded out local buyers and pushed up property prices.
    Home purchases by tycoons such as tech billionaire Peter Thiel, the PayPal founder, and Matt Lauer, the former NBC host who lost his job after allegations of sexual misconduct, have led the New Zealand government to crack down on the trend…
    The country’s allure for the mega-rich planning a safe space to ride out the apocalypse has become almost a cliché in recent years…
    But the country’s centre-Left government, led by prime minister Jacinda Ardern, is blaming the apocalypse preppers for a major housing crisis, with rates of homelessness among the highest in the developed world…

    The bill will still allow foreigners to buy new apartments in large developments and multi-storey blocks. Existing homes remain off limits to non-residents, but people from Australia and Singapore will be exempt from the ban, due to free-trade rules.

    UNFLATTERING PIC: Billionaire Peter Thiel speaks during the final day of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in 2016.
    Chinese residents are the most common property-buying foreigners, followed by those from Australia, Britain, and Hong Kong. But since President Donald Trump’s election, it has increasingly been wealthy Americans buying up doomsday bolt-holes in New Zealand who have made international headlines.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/new-zealand-to-ban-foreigners-from-buying-homes-20180811-p4zwwi.html

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    TdeF

    The other myth is that warmer weather spreads disease so Climate Change means more heat means more disease. In fact the reverse is true. You get colds in winter when viruses packaged with moisture can stay in the air, where liquid is plentiful and the virus is airborne in droplets of water. Summer colds are the rarity. Similarly with bacteria. Do not have iceblocks in foreign places as the freezing kills nothing. If you want bug free water, boil it.

    So in the area of Egypt out of the Nile valley where the days are often 60C and the humidity is zero, nothing rots. Iron does not rust. That is how we can enjoy the chariots and weapons of the Pharoah Tutenkhamun in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. They did not rot or rust. The Egyptians learned mummification from seeing it happen in the desert. Bodies did not rot. So heat is less rotting, fewer bugs, fewer diseases. The common misconception is from the fact that more water, more heat, more CO2 means more life and more life means all of it. The enemy of humans is cold because while it does not kill bugs, bugs kill us.

    Still the story is that Malaria is a tropical disease which is in the tropics because it is hot. They are there because it is wet, stifling hot and humid as even New York and Paris are in mid summer. Climate Change does not mean malaria is moving to the poles. It is already there. This is simply more opportunistic fantasy from the people who brought you the RET, the NEG, the Greens and the Green Conservatives. It’s hard to know if they are truly ignorant or just opportunists. Or both.

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    pat

    behind paywall:

    Paris emissions target is driving us to futile self-harm.
    The Australian – 10h ago
    by Chris Kenny

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    tom0mason

    Oldly when I was a kid, way back in the middle of the last century(!), there were lots of public drinking fountains on streets, schools, offices, clubs, and in parks. What were they thinking of? Killing us all with the spread of germs? Well we must have been tougher back then because neither I nor any of my childhood mates succumbed to the well propagandized illnesses.
    Imagine such a dumb idea now, allowing drinking water to be freely available to anyone in most villages, towns and cities at no cost when you can have people buy expensive bottle water.

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    Robber

    I am sure that our Ministry of Truth in Victoria will have this in hand. They can’t control youth gangs, so they don’t exist. But they can ban Sky News broadcasts from railway stations for an interview that wasn’t even shown at those railway stations.

    Meanwhile in vacuous Victoria we have a government that has imposed a 40% “renewable” target for 2025 with no understanding of the economic cost or consequences. Allowing 5% for reliable hydro, that requires 35% on average from wind and solar.

    With an average Vic demand of 6,500 MW, that requires average wind/solar delivery of 2,275 MW. If we split that 50/50, and allow a 20% capacity factor for solar and 30% for wind, that requires solar nameplate capacity of 5,685 MW and wind 3,790 MW.

    Now consider the middle of the day with max solar and wind, giving production of 9,475 MW, way in excess of demand. Where is the 3,000 MW surplus to go? At that time of day it would mean the complete shutdown of all coal and gas stations in the state. But wait, as SA has discovered, you can only run about 70% renewables at any time or the system becomes unstable, so you would have to run 2,800 MW of coal/gas and curtail wind/solar because there is way too much supply.

    But now consider early evening, no solar, and the wind is still. So Vic must have more than 7,000 MW of coal/gas idling and ready to meet peak demand.

    Now tell me, how can a network requiring over 7,000 MW of coal/gas and 9,475 MW of wind/solar be economic to meet a demand of 6,500 MW in 2025, when that demand could be met without any of the investment in intermittent wind/solar? Affordable electricity? Not while there are zany zealots in power.

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    9 Aug: Rolling Stone: Hothouse Earth Is Merely the Beginning of the End
    Not the end of the planet, but maybe the end of its human inhabitants
    By Jeff Goodell
    “Our future,” scientist James Lovelock has written, “is like that of the passengers on a small pleasure boat sailing quietly above the Niagara Falls, not knowing that the engines are about to fail.”
    I thought about Lovelock the other day as I drove across Idaho, watching plumes from a forest fire rise in the distance. My mom and two of my kids were texting me about their experience driving through Redding, the city in Northern California where a “firenado” had devastated the region and accelerated a wildfire that killed six people. Not far away, in Mendocino, the largest fire in California history was burning an area the size of Los Angeles…
    On the radio, I listened to reports from around the world…

    Richard Alley, a glaciologist at Penn State, has described the Earth’s climate as a highly complex system that, based on small forces that are still only dimly understood, tends to lurch from one steady state to another. “You might think of the climate as a drunk,” Alley wrote in his great book The Two Mile Time Machine: Ice Cores, Abrupt Climate Change, and Our Future, which was first published in 2000. “When left alone, it sits; when forced to move, it staggers.”…

    “The heat and fires we’re seeing this summer is worrisome,” Alley tells Rolling Stone, in his ***typically understated way. “There are certainly human fingerprints on a lot of it.” But, Alley points out, this is just the beginning. As of now, the Earth has warmed just 1 degree Celsius. “Dealing with what we’re seeing now is the easy stuff,” Alley says. “With each additional degree of warming, the impact will be greater.” Alley is most concerned about physical systems with likely tipping points, such as the West Antarctic ice sheet.

    He’s also concerned about biological tipping points. “If the oxygen level in oceans drops just a little, it could have a big and immediate impact on sea life,” Alley says. “A fire in Brazil could lead to rainforest being replaced with savannah, which would have all kinds of consequences for biological diversity, as well as for carbon uptake.”

    But it’s the tipping point in human systems that worry Alley the most. He points to the recent drought in the Middle East, which was a key driver in the Syrian civil war. “You can see the resilience of different political systems. During the drought, Israel was OK. But Syria was not.”…
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/hothouse-earth-climate-change-709470/

    re the RS writer:

    Wikiipedia: Jeff Goodell is author of “Big Coal: The Dirty Secret Behind America’s Energy Future” (2006, which the New York Times called “a compelling indictment of one of the country’s biggest, most powerful and most antiquated industries…well-written, timely, and powerful” and “The Water Will Come: Rising Seas, Sinking Cities, and the Remaking of the Civilized World” (2017). It was a New York Times Critics Top Book of 2017 and selected by the Washington Post as one of the 50 best non-fiction books of 2017…
    Awards & Honours:
    2011 Grantham Prize (Award of Special Merit).
    2012 Sierra Club David R. Brower Award for excellence in environmental journalism.
    Select articles:
    “Obama’s Climate Crusade”
    “The Pentagon & Climate Change”
    “Greenland melting”
    “Goodbye Miami”
    “Climate Change and the end of Australia”

    9 Aug: Daily Caller: Michael Bastasch: Scientist Calls Out Media ‘Misinformation’ On Wildfires And Global Warming
    With wildfires engulfing over 620,000 acres of California, there’s been a concerted media campaign to single out man-made global warming as the primary force behind the deadly blazes.

    But that’s not what the data suggests, according to University of Washington climate scientist Cliff Mass…READ ON
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/09/media-misinformation-wildfires-global-warming/

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      TdeF

      On this ‘tipping point’ argument, the idea seems to be that all situations are intrinsically unstable and that every direction leads to positive feedback and Armageddon.

      That is not true. It is in fact complete science baloney, like water going uphill of its own accord.

      Complex systems always find the point where all forces push back at you, the bottom of the valley. These pretend scientist alarmists would have that nature leaves us always on the top of the hill and every direction is down. That is absurd.

      Convenient for alarmists but absolute rubbish and at odds with every mechanical system. Entropy always increases. Potential energies are used up and converted into heat.

      That is not to say that a sufficiently large perturbation may not change the rules, but we have seen 0.5C in a century. There is also nothing to say that a warmer wetter greener planet with more CO2 is not a very good thing.

      For the merchants of doom rely on the idea that any change is bad when in fact all of the warmer periods are associated with great advances in human success. The Roman warming, the Renaissance and the 20th century.
      As for malaria, the same uncaring people are responsible for millions of deaths by banning even the judicious use of DDT.

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    el gordo

    O/T

    Laura Tingle is out of touch, my guesstimate is that it’ll be a block.

    ‘Mr Abbott has apparently been telling colleagues that he will cross the floor if and when legislation comes to Parliament. The Government is nervous about Barnaby Joyce. There might be a prospect of a couple of others moving — Craig Kelly and Keith Pitt have been mentioned.’

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      TdeF

      Excellent. Bill Shorten will be obliged to oppose it on principle, even though and perhaps because it is exactly what he wants to do. What will Bill do if everything is already legislated and the piggy bank is hopelessly in debt and South Australia is already getting the world’s most useless submarines and runs on windmills?

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    theRealUniverse

    You know what happened during the last REAL climate change (1650-1750) LIA. Black death, failed crops! Yes protect your children from warmth!! Just wait for the new round of failed crops when the new LIA eventuates between 2020 – 2050 ish.

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    theRealUniverse

    Richard Alley, a glaciologist at Penn State, has described the Earth’s climate as a highly complex system that, based on small forces that are still only dimly understood,

    Dont they look at the suns influence? I think a wee bit of solar physics might shed some light on it..

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      TdeF

      You have to love the way people talk about ‘the Earth’s Climate’ as if it was only one. They talk about the planet’s temperature as if there was only one.

      Winter in antarctica, -50C. Summer -25C. Winter winds 80km/hr. Summer winds 60km/hr. How much has that climate been affected by CO2?

      Similarly in Singapore on the equator. So when people talk about climates, they are just talking nonsense about where they live and the weather. Even the creation of a world temperature night and day, north pole and south pole and equator, winter and summer is a fantasy. It is a turbulent construction of millions of variables but fundamentally driven by a single force. The sun.

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      sophocles

      theRealUniverse @ #42 said:

      Dont they look at the suns influence?

      Yes, they do: through a carefully shielded and field-of-view limited telescope.

      The IPCC invented the “Solar Constant.” By setting everything Solar to Constant it removes awkward variability from their models, like Little Ice Ages. TSI is the Solar Gospel:

      TSI (and only TSI) is the only significant Solar Output, everything else is of no consequence. For anything Solar, always substitute TSI.

      And TSI is only defined for low wavelengths (LWIR) through to the top of the visible spectrum (note the lack of UV).

      That’s two (!) of the reasons the models and the “projections” are always wrong …Our Sun is not constant, it’s a variable star, and TSI in the UV wavelengths can vary significantly by c. 10-15% over a Schwabe (approx 11 year) Cycle. Other solar vital signs such as its active magnetic field vary significantly and there are ever longer cycles being discovered, where long = more than one day and less than a billion years (for now—sometime in the future when we’ve learnt more about the sun, we might need to revisit that upper limit …).

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    el gordo -

    AUDIO: 3mins50secs: 11 Aug: ABC AM: Kelly says state Labor demands will sink NEG in coalition party room
    By Tom Iggulden on AM
    The Government’s plans to lower power prices and reduce carbon emissions will fail to get support in the Coalition partyroom if state Labor governments’ demands are incorporated into the final design, says government backbencher Craig Kelly.
    The Victorian and Queensland Labor governments are calling for flexibility in setting carbon emission reduction targets to be incorporated into the National Energy Guarantee. But Craig Kelly says that won’t be acceptable to the coalition partyroom when it meets next Tuesday to decide to proceed with the NEG.

    EXCERPTS FROM TRANSCRIPT:
    TOM IGGULDEN: Do you accept as Matt Canavan says that whatever that modelling shows or whether you agree with it or not, this is the only game in town when it comes to tackling high power prices?

    CRAIG KELLY: Well, we’ve still got the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) recommendations. Now I’ve always thought that whatever we have in the NEG, whatever the parameters are of the NEG, they’ve got to also be interwoven with what the ACCC is recommending.
    Now, a very important recommendation from the ACCC is that the Government enter into some type of power, a long-term power purchase agreement to get more baseload generation into the system.

    TOM IGGULDEN: Are you at all concerned about any of the demands emanating from the Labor states yesterday at the meeting of energy ministers? In particular, say from Queensland, they want to see the current 26 per cent emissions reduction target made a floor that no future government could go under?

    CRAIG KELLY: Well, these are some of the reasons that I was a bit surprised at some of the commentary coming out following the discussions.
    Basically we’ve got a Queensland State Labor Government, also the Victorian Labor Government, making demands and putting stipulations on that would be completely unacceptable to the Coalition.
    What the Labor states are asking for actually destroys any of the certainty of the NEG setting.

    TOM IGGULDEN: So the real worry by the sound of it from your point of view would be this demand from the Victorian Government that the emissions reduction target be reset and revisited every three years?

    CRAIG KELLY: I think that destroys the certainty and that’s why I think the ACCC recommendation in their report that the Government get in and the Government underwrite the construction of new baseload power and let the lowest bidder win.

    TOM IGGULDEN: What about the politics here, in particular the numbers inside the Coalition party room? Do people who feel, as you do, that the demands being put by the Labor governments aren’t acceptable? Do you, first of all, believe that you have the numbers and if you don’t form a majority amongst yourselves, won’t this go through the Coalition party room over and above your concerns anyway?

    CRAIG KELLY: I’m sure none of us, I don’t think there would be a single member of the Coalition that wants to see the federal policy copy the foul policy that South Australia implemented which is actually what the Labor states of Queensland and Victoria are asking for.

    TOM IGGULDEN: So you think with those demands being as they are, there is no chance this will go through the Coalition party room next week?

    CRAIG KELLY: I wouldn’t think so and I think not if those requirements are in there and the Minister himself, Josh Frydenberg himself, has been very explicit on this point.
    He is saying he is not going to capitulate to those demands from the Queensland and Victoria.

    ***TOM IGGULDEN: Let’s say that some kind of compromise is worked out, that it does go through the Coalition party room in whatever form next week in a way that is still not acceptable to you, would you consider crossing the floor in that instance?

    CRAIG KELLY: Oh look, I don’t want to get into crossing the floor and not crossing the floor. Every single piece of legislation that comes to the Coalition party room, the principle of that Coalition party room is that we get to analyse it, we get to critically look it and get to make up our own independent decision as backbenchers.
    http://www.abc.net.au/radio/adelaide/programs/am/kelly-says-state-labor-demands-wil–sink-neg-in-party-room/10109306

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    pat

    comment in moderation for 3 hrs re 10 Aug: Guardian: Opinion: As panic about climate change sets in, I’m thinking about escape – to Canada

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    “Rex Murphy: Justin Trudeau and the climate alarmists are the fear mongers”

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-justin-trudeau-and-the-climate-alarmists-are-the-fear-mongers

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    Maybe this will help?

    “A decidedly sarcastic Open Letter to @YouTube”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/08/10/a-decidedly-sarcastic-open-letter-to-youtube/

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      TdeF

      Enjoy the next 20 years as much as you can? Why should it be any different to the last 20 years?
      I think they are giving up and cursing the world for not listening to their rubbish.
      The difference is that they are all paid salaries to push Climate End of World scenarios.
      The people are calling them out are doing it for free.

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      sophocles

      el gordo @ # 49:

      So what’s new? They’ve been making it up since young James Hansen first started.
      I read the onion article and since when are UN dip…. ah, staffers Climate Researchers? The female in the photo looks like Christiana Figueres from the FCCC.
      She’s not a researcher. She wouldn’t know a Climate if one bit her where she sits. Not only is she not a researcher, she’s one of the people responsible for this farce from the FCCC. (see photo in the link).

      The dweebs with her in the photo look like UN staffers, not researchers, too.

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    pat

    something to ponder…under the Paris climate agreement -

    Australia’s emissions target is a 26-28% reduction at 2030 in national emissions compared to 2005 levels.

    Australia’s population in 2005 was approx 20.39million

    Euromonitor: In 2030, the population of Australia will reach 29.8 million, an increase of 21.5% from 2017.

    that’s an increase of 9.41 million people, or approx. a 46% rise from 2005.

    the CAGW mob, in general, seem to be in favour of a “Big Australia” (the Greens silence on the matter means their earler opposition to the idea is meaningless).

    YET there is never any mention of the extra CO2 emissions by 2030, or “climate change”, when ABC does a program such as the following (or when they talk up immigration on a regular basis on various radio and TV programs):

    14 Mar 2018: ABC Four Corners: Big Australia: Are we ready?
    And our population is set to get even bigger. There’ll be almost 40 million of us by the middle of the century…
    DR LIZ ALLEN, DEMOGRAPHER: We tend to have a bit of a doomsday approach and we think of the worst case scenario particularly in light of our current constraints. But if we step back and consider, we will change. We will innovate, and be smart about how we adapt and change…
    PRIME MINISTER KEVIN RUDD: I actually believe in a big Australia I make no apology for that. I actually think it’s good news that our population is growing…

    (AS FOUR CORNERS REACHES ITS FINALE, WE GET THESE POSITIVE ENDORSEMENTS)
    INNES WILLOX, CHIEF EXECUTIVE, AUSTRALIAN INDUSTRY GROUP: Not everyone wants to live in a quarter acre block. Not everyone wants to live miles and miles and miles from where they work, which is the inevitable consequence of this. But what we do need to do is to be able to give people choice. Affordable, realistic choice and that should be the goal of our policymakers. It’s an issue of planning and planners need to get it right so that we are able to accommodate the needs of the community…
    DR LIZ ALLEN
    Much of our population conversation is inherently about fear at the moment, a fear that challenges the idea of who we are, a fear that we will have to change who we are to fit in with what is coming. We need to have a managed conversation of what is needed and what we need to do to support the population of the future.
    REPORTER: Australia has been trying to manage the pain of population growth for decades.
    And we’ve become a wealthier, healthier, country – better educated, more outward looking, and with more opportunity than the generations before.
    REPORTER: It’s our challenge to do the same for this next generation…
    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/big-australia:-are-we-ready/9547730

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    James

    From Sciencedaily – “Flood waters from Hurricane Harvey a few weeks earlier dropped record breaking rain”. Another nonsensical statement.

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