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    I keep trying to give a different way of looking at life , I don’t suppose I’m winning and I take a lot of stick here for my views , but can you not understand that Lord Monckton uses logic and reason and critical thinking skills to demolish the global warming meme and yet refuses to examine his fAith in the same way

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      Yonniestone

      Its an article about Australian coal exports Dave not your personal struggles with the meaning of life, save the subject for an unthreaded or talk to someone on a professional level seriously.

      On topic I’ll ask do you believe there’s any truth in the idea CO2 has any measurable effect on earths climate regarding warming?

      I personally have doubts and see that suggesting such has given warmists unwarranted leverage for their arguments.

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        Yes yonnie you are correct , but I have been coming to this blog for years , during the American election many here , supported TED Cruze because he understood better than most the truth about global warming and yet supported TPP , do you want to give up your labour rites in order to benefit slave labour in Vietnam , or if you wish give up the rites of other bloggers like me for pointing it out , you can argue against me by don’t shut me up

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          You know what pisses me off more than anything ,you all seem to hide behind Joannes skirtaiils , your a Bunch of keyboard wArriors , when your called into action you hide behind the sofa . What I’ve just said might be a load of bollocks but I hope it stirs some emotions

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            Yonniestone

            I’ve personally put myself in harms way for my beliefs so never assume you know people, don’t know what you’re alluding to call to action but generally level headed intelligent people don’t instigate anti social behavior, we leave that for the lefties and luvvies.

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            el gordo

            Dave its a war of words and our side is losing, so my hope is in lukewarmer Abbott saying the right things and save us from the cultural Marxist dictatorship.

            Don’t get yourself in a knot, its only energy and money we are talking about …. and weather.

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            Bobl

            You know what annoys me? self righteous people who think they know better than me that try to tell me how I should live my life. You may make a suggestion Dave but I am NOT obliged to take your advice. For example Dave It annoys me no end that not being content with optional use of reusable shopping bags that my ‘Betters’ have now decided for me that I should not have the choice of a nice clean lightweight bag.

            If I feel like saving the world then I might choose to buy green electrons but at the moment i’d rather buy the cheap black electrons at 8c / kWh. Do I get that choice, hmmmm no. How about you stop telling me I mustn’t lead the life of a keyboard warrior, like you even know if that’s true or not! Even if it was, that’s MY choice and decidedly not yours.

            For your amusement here’s a little list of a few of the things we are beaten up with by our ‘Betters’ in the ABC

            What light bulbs we should be allowed to use
            Shopping bags
            Guns
            What car we drive
            Whether we should drive at all
            What we drink
            What political views we can have
            What religious views we can express
            What we should eat, fat, sugar, meat or any number of other combinations someone has decided is not ethical.
            How we can spend money
            Who should get our money
            What sort of electricity we can buy
            Whether we can keep a dog and what breed that is allowed to be.

            Well doubting Dave it’s time to doubt whether your green/government betters aught to be FORCING you down their preferred rat holes or whether YOU should just be able to choose your own individually suitable rat hole to head down.

            Freedom, as in liberty is about freedom to choose and I, and yes, even YOU, deserve that respect.

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              Hivemind

              You forgot:
              — whether we should be allowed to keep a cat
              — and whether it should be penned up 24/7 (which I personally think is cruel).

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              PeterS

              Bobl you left out the most important item from the list:
              What is good and what is evil. The left in particular the extreme variety have a propensity to blur the distinction between what is good and what is evil so much there is no difference. After all that’s the basis of their world-view to justify their faith.

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                OriginalSteve

                Yes and I suspect that is *the* cornerstone of the whole deal.

                I have noted a big push also by those who advocate New Age religious ( “Age of Aquarias” stuff ) doctrines, but IMHO are the most to be concerned about as these are the hard liners, who advocate massive population reduction and if you read their own writings, consider the population of the earth should be pushed into vegetarianism, massive population reduction, tightly coupled to Agenda 21 , and being made to accept their New Age “Christ/Matreyia”. Those who resist will be offered a “benevolent death”.

                When you redefine good an evil, all manner of atrocities are all of a suddenly permissible.

                “Woe to those who call evil good
                and good evil,
                who put darkness for light
                and light for darkness,
                who put bitter for sweet
                and sweet for bitter.”
                ( Isaiah 5:20 )

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                PeterS

                Yes OriginalSteve, cornerstone is a very apt word to described their position. The worst kind actually go all the way and claim there is no good or evil at all – it’s all just relative. Relativism has been creeping into our society like a cancer. The push for equality is one result – the kind that does not come with responsibility. As soon as one mentions responsibility all hell breaks lose and they scream all sorts of abuse, sometimes accompanied with violence. Such is the mentality of the extreme left. Yet little by little that’s the road our society has been taking, now with the support of both major parties.

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                PeterS

                Loose not lose.

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              MudCrab

              Bobl, don’t forget what movies we should watch and what movie reviews we are allowed to agree with.

              Try suggesting you didn’t like the last couple of Star Wars movies in front of our Cultural Elite without getting slapped across the face with the TOXIC FAN badge of shame.

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                Bobl

                Sorry ’bout that, but I did say it was just a few of them, there are many many more freedoms and choices we no longer have all taken, usually without just compensation

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            Annie

            I actually find that offensive Dave. Old and semi-retired as we are, with my husband working as an unpaid priest locally, we, and my husband in particular, have taken a lot of flak for standing up and pointing out how people are being very badly misled by our supposed ‘betters’ on this wicked nonsense of blaming human beings for ‘climate change’ morphed from ‘global warming’.

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              OriginalSteve

              Annie, i suspect that the conditions are now approaching that which allowed the Krystal Nacht of the Nazi era to occur.

              The Devils foolish minions are happy to accept trinkets of power and pestige as they sell their souls and persecute those who actually have real standards. The most dangerous tool we have that occultists hate, is a mirror to show people how they really are.

              Our society has moved from a God fearing one, to a God hating one, and its another Golden Calf moment…..

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              Annie, since you’re not pinching all the red thumbs today like you usually do, I thought you and hubbie might enjoy this:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_jzDGv0KKw

              You might give me a red thumb for my trouble. I haven’t been able to buy one lately. If it was raining red thumbs I’d be washed down the drain with the only green one.

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            Kinky Keith

            you’re.

            Not yaw or your.

            You’re.

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            Kinky Keith

            Unlike your stereotype I can assure you I have lived my life “out there” in the world.

            This blog takes a reasonable amount of my time in reading other comments and contributing after Jo has set the scene for the day.

            This blog has one main feature that draws me back:

            It tries to find the Truth.

            Primarily the truth about CO2 but also in so many other areas it helps discover the truth.

            The collection of contributors here have a wide range of interest, skills and qualifications that makes even the trolls careful about their actions because they are presented with sound, truthful comment about “the science” and sometimes witty and thought provoking ridicule.

            There may also be moments of comedy, stupidity, humour and sarcasm to get our minds off global warming for a few minutes before we come back with cleared minds ready for the next topic.

            Nobody is hiding behind Jo’s skirt tails.

            My only feeling of guilt is about my failure to buy enough “chocolate”.

            KK

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              OriginalSteve

              I suspect there is enough sound collective knowledge here to almost run the country from a technical/engineering point of view. Politics I’ll leave to the schmoozing class….

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                Another Ian

                OS

                Some time back there was a survey of qualifications of participants here.

                My take at the time was “Jo could run a bloody Manhattan Project”

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            yarpos

            a very bizare comment, based on what I dont know

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          el gordo

          Ted Cruze would have been better than Donald, but he is the Establishment so I can only speculate on the possible outcome.

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            Kevin Lohse

            Ted would almost certainly have lost to Hillary. That doesn’t really bear thinking about.

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            Rupert Ashford

            Ted was a great candidate, but like Kevin Lohse says he would have lost against Hillary and the rest of the swamp operating in all of their barbarity and vulgarity with a veneer of sophistication. The only one that had a chance was Trump that was and still is willing to provoke them until they drop their masks, but it is a dirty job.

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      yarpos

      Clearly you have no respect for the concept of belief. If Lord M. has a firm belief he would feel the need to examine and dissect it. Why that should trouble you is a more interesting point.

      I am atheist and will most likely die that way. However I dont feel any angst about people having their religious beliefs, as long as they dont start trying to convert me. What other people believe doesnt have to make sense to me and as long as they arent harming me or mine its really none of my business.

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        yarpos

        ” If Lord M. has a firm belief he would feel the need to examine and dissect it. ” that should be would NOT feel the need

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      Speedy

      Hi DD.

      God either exists, or does not exist. One of these options is correct, but I struggle to comprehend either. However, because I am familiar with the limitations of physical objects, then I find the existence of limitless God to be less incredible than a self-generating universe.

      Any idea of the combined mass of the universe? Ever heard the expression E=mc^2? Do the sums – it’s a lot of energy to expend in that miniscule fraction of a nanosecond we refer to as the Big Bang. THAT is power which is truly awesome.

      Cheers,

      Speedy

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      D. J. Hawkins

      Clearly Dave, you fail to recognize the limits of the tools available. In many respects, it’s not unlike a carpenter using a banjo to hammer nails. The most likely result is dissatisfaction all around. Logic, reason, and critical thinking skills are useful in theology as long as you realize that in matters of faith their utility is limited to the defined belief space. Since observation and empirical methods have facility only regarding the tangible, it is impossible to use them to evaluate the intangible, by definition.

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      GD

      Lord Monckton uses logic and reason and critical thinking skills to demolish the global warming meme and yet refuses to examine his fAith in the same way

      If you’re really concerned about the logic/reason vs spirituality dichotomy, may I suggest the Christian writer C.S. Lewis, whose books ‘Mere Christianity’ and ‘Surprised By Joy’
      That’s if you’re really interested in that debate and not just trolling Jo Nova’s site.

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    Dennis

    We old people are living the past, publicly owned infrastructure is so yesterday, according to the Open Cities Alliance in an article I read in a printed copy of The Telegraph today.

    The people must be encouraged to invest, “give consumers a stake in the grid” (I thought we were able to buy shares in AGL Limited and others).

    The future is in sharing too, as many Australians have already done, rooftop solar to reduce electricity bills and to share energy with the neighbourhood. This could be extended to sharing transport, eg EV car pool. Our neighbourhoods could be self supporting, ie tribal again?

    No mention of industry and commerce.

    However the Alliance would like our savings to be spent on the future they believe in.

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      Dennis

      I forgot to add that Australia is way behind the global trend, Germany was mentioned as one example of a renewable energy success story.

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      yarpos

      Solar energy is already shared in the neighbourhood where present, the need to wrap it in more complexity and make it a thing is just another example of the renewable rent seekers and coupon clippers who want a slice of the action for little or no added value.

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    Annie

    Good idea Jo. The last thread did go off at a tangent, didn’t it?

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    Hanrahan

    el gordo
    July 2, 2018 at 9:18 am · Reply
    Ted Cruze would have been better than Donald, but he is the Establishment so I can only speculate on the possible outcome.

    I’ve just joined in and it seems Jo has closed #1.
    Isn’t it Ted who isn’t “natural born”? Ted would be popular here though as an outspoken sceptic but Trump has surprised me just how well he has gone. I believe a strong America is good for Australia, we may need them again with the new hegemonic China, but it’s more than defence. I believe he is the last chance for the West, that the Wicked Witch from the West would have destroyed the US – deliberately.

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      James

      There was a possible issue with Ted Cruz over whether he fits the definition of Natural Born or not!

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    toorightmate

    I am right 95% of the time.
    Why bother worrying about the other 3%?

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      Another Ian

      TRM

      At the foreign student introduction at a US university I was horrified to find that the grading was

      A – 90% or better

      B – 80% or better

      And that at least a B average was necessary to remain in graduate school.

      And I had been a “50% is a pass, 51% is wasted effort” student!

      Turned out it was about as easy to maintain A’s as it had been 50%.

      So if you came out with the magic 4.00 GPA you were likely to inflict an awful lot of stuff-ups on the world with that remaining 10% if you weren’t careful!

      Now in areas where the total knowledge base was less than 90% – -

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      Kevin Lohse

      So thats 95% right, 3 % wrong and 2% undecided?

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    RAH

    Well things here in the US are moving right along in many ways though the efforts to get at those at the top who tried to pull off a silent coup to overturn the results of the 2016 presidential election is still moving at a glacial pace. I still have hopes for a massive calving event from that glacier though as it seems that Congress will take it to the limit and impeach Rosenstein if he does not hand over the documents that will tie it all together and expose those at the top really behind it all.

    Meanwhile the retirement of SCOTUS associate justice Kennedy has the dark forces in a total melt down. These days they are always in a melt down about something but in this case their fears are justified and not just more manufactured crap. This is the exact reason I voted for Trump. Based on his actions since he was elected it’s hard to believe, but back during the presidential primary season Trump was an unknown quantity for many of us. It was the realization that the next POTUS would leave a legacy through multiple SCOTUS appointments that would shape the direction we would go for decades that had me out voting for Trump to be the Republican nominee in the Primary. There is a very good chance that if Trump decides he wants a 2nd term or if not, and VP Pence becomes POTUS, there will be two more appointments the next POTUS will make as the aged and ill leftist associate justices Ginsburg (born 1933) and Breyer (born 1938) are unlikely to make it long enough to hold out for the democrats to gain power again. What does this have to do with the Climate wars? It could very well have a lot to do with it in the future because much the dark forces rely heavily on extra constitutional overreach by various administrative agencies to advance their anti-progress, anti-human agendas, and so the courts are the best potential way to prevent them from reimplementing what Trump’s administration has been tearing down. Trump can cut down the weeds that grew from the seeds the dark forces planted but in the long run only the courts can pull them out by the roots so they can’t grow back again.

    Concerning trade wars. They will escalate and some US industries will be hurt for a time but the US will win simply because we run trade deficits due to unfair tariffs with all the nations targeted. The EU can cry and scream and threaten all they want but Germany is their economic powerhouse and that country’s economy relies heavily on auto sales into the US and that is Trumps trump card which I am sure he will play at the right time. There is nothing of consequence the EU imports to the US that we cannot manufacture ourselves. Combine those facts with the US FINALLY starting to demand that the Europeans pay for their own defense and it is a one two punch. It is long past time for Europe take responsibility for it’s own defense. For all of my 62 year life time my country has carried a disproportionate burden or the defense of Europe. Millions of Americans have spent years in Europe in uniform over those years. I spent about 4 of my 12 years active duty military service in the 80s and early 90s in Europe. As for Canada and Mexico and NAFTA? Pajama boy’s government in Canada is leading them down an economically disastrous course. They can’t win and the more they try the worse Canadians will be hurt. I sincerely hope that Canadians get control of their government before they are really hurt badly. I have no such sentiments for the Mexicans because of the illegal immigration problem and the fact that the idiots just elected their own version of Hugo Chavez. Importing Chinese materials and assemblies and then selling them into the US using the duty free provisions of NAFTA is going to end for both Canada and Mexico. That is the action of back stabbing thieves not friends. And that is the only way to get China’s dumping under control and to gain real economic leverage against China. What does this have to do with the climate wars? Hard to keep dumping resources into building and maintaining “renewables” and “carbon capture” schemes when your GDP is reduced considerably and a much larger proportion of it has to go to defense spending.

    Concerning getting our borders under control. This weekend was wonderful.
    Any day when we see the democrats associate themselves with marches and protests of mobs of ultra leftists, Illegal aliens, paid zombie protestors, led by “celebrities” and wacko idiot politicians like Maxine Waters, express their desire to end US sovereignty and security is a good day for Republicans and Trump and thus the USA.
    “Poll: Overwhelming Support For President Trump Immigration Positions….”
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/01/poll-overwhelming-support-for-president-trump-immigration-positions/#more-151270
    What does that have to do with the Climate Wars? Not anything much in the short term but in the longer term getting our borders under control will stabilize the legal voting base and abrogate the Illegal one and thus the opinions and desires of the real US citizens will gain more control over the direction this nation goes in the future.

    Trump is winning big and all indications are it will continue and will result in world wide change.

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      Trump was yr Disraeli ‘Leap in the Dark.’
      The alternative was that ol’ entrenched
      darkness, no possible light at end of tunnel,
      going
      down
      into
      the
      murk
      -y
      mor
      ass.

      ‘Missed it
      by that much.’
      H/t Get Smart.

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        RAH

        Lord how the left and would be establishment aristocracy hates him! They hate him so much they have now gone completely over the edge. It really is amazing to watch. It would be funny if it wasn’t so serious. We in this country are in a transition period unlike any I have witnessed in my life time in my country. Vietnam war protests, ban the bra, flower children and Woodstock were peanuts compared to what is going on now as Trump stomps the status quo over and over and over again in so many ways. In their furry the left has dropped all pretense of fairness, objectivity, and acceptance of diversity. It is something to see. Death threats against a grandchild of Trumps. Calling Trumps children every name in the book. Just nasty stuff. De Niro threatening physical violence against the POTUS. And today in the headlines I read a college professor that suggests packing the supreme court once democrats gain control again. He suggests California split in the multiple states so they can gain more senate seats with the idea it will ensure a democrat majority in the Senate for the duration thus fabricating the votes in the Senate to confirm the appointment of another 8 leftist SCOTUS justices. Everyday there are several examples of the total insanity of these people.

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          Ross

          RAH

          It looks like this #walkaway movement is gathering momentum. Change always seems to come from unusual places these days. May it be shown to succeed to an extraordinary level in November for the USA.

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          Kinky Keith

          All of those things you describe, RAH, are a reminder of what you are moving away from: truly a Lucky Country.

          Our current politicians would sell Australia to the highest bidder as long as they could be rich and secure.

          The day that we cease “transitioning” to ” renewables” will be the day we have recovered decency in government.

          Some way to go yet.

          I can imagine the sense of optimism in the US despite media attempts to continue the attack on Trump.

          KK

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            RAH

            They can’t do a thing about the economy and jobs which show excellent improvement under Trump so they claim that that excellent improvement a result of Obama policy. Nobody with two working brain cells believes them though. Black unemployment is at a historic low. Taxes cut and if Trump has his way will be cut some more and yet revenue going into the Federal coffers is up. US now a net exporter of fossil fuels which is something well over half the electorate has never seen in their life times.

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          yarpos

          Assume splitting California (depending how I guess) would result in more Dem electoral college votes as well.

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            RAH

            The number of electoral college votes per state is proportional to the population of the state. Total number of voting reps in the lower chamber is limited to 435 also determined based on proportion of population. Each state gets 2 Senators in the upper chamber and that has nothing to do with population. By the senate members not being determined by population it prevents high population states from dominating low population states in Congress.

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            RAH

            The House of Representatives has nothing to do with confirmation of Judicial appointments. Only the Senate does that.

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      Peter

      I agree with all you say. I would just like President Trump to pull the rug from under Mueller. I believe the majority of people would accept it.

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        RAH

        I think that the Muller “Investigation” is hurting the establishment and the democrats. Never before has anyone seen a witch hunt like this here and many hardcore democrats see through it just like they saw through Hillary. If Trump walked on water his opposition and their press would say “See he can’t swim!” If he fed the masses with 2 fish and a few loaves of bread they would say “But it’s not a balanced diet!”. Even many of the low information voters are seeing this.

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          Peter

          I am interested to know what you think of “The Last Refuge”. For me it is the first web site I go to for analysis on what is happening over there.

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            Rah

            I assume your asking about the Conservative Tree House? They, and talk radio hosts Sean Hannity and Mark Levin have been following this fiasco from the very beginning and doing excellent analysis.

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          James

          If Donald Trump developed a cure for Cancer they would report that Trump has put thousands of medical researchers out of work!

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        James

        Congress needs to do that, by cutting off the funding. Lawyers do not work for free! After the midterms this may happen.

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    yarpos

    I must admit to being rather confused by this thread as I was late to the game. After reading further it appears it was an attempt to stop another thread spiralling completely out of control by quarantining off topic material.

    Last week I was castigated in another forum for getting off topic. While it was a car forum we were actually in the Off Topic area which is labelled “Vent yer spleen” When I asked how can I be off topic in off topic, the response was you cant, but I wanted to yell at you anyway. Far enough I reckon.

    Carry on.

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      Annie

      In moderation. Was it ‘h1j@cked’ or’n0ns3nse’ that set that off…would be interesting to know?!

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        Crakar24

        Use relinquish of control for hi jack and nincompoop for non cents

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        toorightmate

        Annie,
        In this day and age it is not uncommon for sense to be hijacked.
        Nonsense is allowed to run amuck – particularly in the halls of parliament.

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          yarpos

          not sure if I am repeating myself but:

          The French gretaly admire the word Parliament and think it is very decriptive of politicians. They see it as being made up of two french verbs.

          Parler – to speak
          Mentir – to lie

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        Annie

        I understand Jo.

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    Crakar24

    Can’t be bothered reading all the comments so sorry if I am doubling up but bolt was talking about an add on SBS guilting old people into not turning on their heater and thus allowing us to meet our Paris agreements has anyone seen this add?

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      Hivemind

      Yes, I saw it. It was very insightful. But I doubt that any of the leftists running our mainstream media will pay any attention.

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    RAH

    Since we have license to go well OT in this forum today I will use this opportunity to do so.
    How many of you down under are aware of the US Air Force’s CBP (Continuous Bomber Presence) program that has been going on over your heads since 2004?
    Here are some of the particulars. http://www.andersen.af.mil/CBP/

    Here is a photo of a B-52 taking off from Guam to conduct one of these flights over Queensland earlier this month.
    http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/military_photos_2018062223125.aspx

    There is so much that has and is going in in our militaries that does not get reported in the general press though you can find out about a lot of it if your so inclined through other sources. Stuff that costs a lot of money but is necessary to keep the basis for a joint active defense of our nations and their interests.

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      Crakar24

      I was aware of it however that’s the environment I work I suspect most might not know

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      Hanrahan

      It would be a stretch to say the Au/US defence partnership is one of equals but the US does not station troops here strictly for Australia’s benefit. And we do try to pull our weight maintaining military capability.

      The most contentious base is the Pine Gap VLF radio station near Alice Springs in the dead centre. This is of no strategic benefit for us, it is to communicate with submerged submarines. The isolationists say it makes us a potential target but hardly so.

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        Crakar24

        Harold Holt is for the sub’s pine gap has other purposes

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        RAH

        I never intended to say that Australia was not holding it’s end up. But would contend that any US military facilities maintained in your nation are of strategic benefit for both of our nations. How could they not be? Why do you think there are US subs in your region at all?

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        yarpos

        Me thinks the capabilies and uses of Pine Gap are being greatly understated.

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        James

        Why would you put a station to communicate with submarines so far from the sea? There must be a good reason for this, like perhaps a lack of interference from other sources there?

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      Hanrahan

      I was on a road on the centreline of our local military/civil airstrip, about half a mile from the threshold when a BUFF did an approach in a crosswind. It was the weirdest thing, the aircraft had a 5 deg [about] crab but the landing gear bogies were lined up with the strip. An awesome sight.

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        RicDre

        Some years ago, I was driving to a manufacturing plant in Arkansas, US and drove past a USAF base where a couple of BUFFs and an AWACS plane were doing touch-and-gos. The BUFFs were painted flat-black and my first thought while watching them was that it was appropriate that they could carry nuclear weapons as they looked liked flying death machines. It was a very impressive sight.

        The USAF base has since been closed down and last I heard, the runway was being used by FEDEX.

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      Hanrahan

      The RAAF used to celebrate Air Force Week or Battle of Britain week. In ’63 I was posted to Laverton, Vic next door to the Avalon base where there was an American detachment flying U2s and a long winged version of the Canberra bomber. We used to see the U2s take off and vanish vertically they climbed so steeply. They were doing air sampling looking for isotopes indicating atomic detonations I read later. They pretended to be weather aircraft and that was painted on their tail.

      On the Sunday one of each aircraft were on static display for the public open day while different aircraft did flight demos, including a very experienced pilot in one of our Canberras who put on quite a show. Next morning, taking off to return to base the US Canberra flew over Port Philip Bay, attempted a roll and speared into the water. Shortly after a second did the same thing. Either the pilots or the aircraft weren’t up to it.

      I was just a baggy-a$$ed student at radio school at the time and later wondered how much of what we heard was true so did a search and essentially it was.

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        Peter C

        I had not heard about those accidents.

        Very silly by the first US pilot. But almost unbelievable that the second one did the same thing!

        I read an article in The Age about 15 years ago about the US program to detect atomic tests by monitoring airborne isotopes. It said that the long winged Martin bombers (derived from the Canberra) were based at East Sale. My brothter was in the airforce at the time but he knew nothing about it. I did a web search later but found nothing, not even the article!

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    RAH

    Another military OT post.
    This is the J-Stars.
    http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/military_photos_2018062912632.aspx

    Doesn’t look like much of a threat does it? It is! Back in 2003 when we invaded Iraq you may remember there was a huge dust storm and that was portrayed as some kind of disaster for the US forces advancing towards Baghdad by the general press at the time. It wasn’t. The J-stars flying above the storm could “see” down through it to ground level. Resolution of the powerful side looking radar was so good they could even pick out an individual Iraqi riding a bike during the height of the storm. It also could accurately gauge the direction and strength of the winds. Saddam’s forces thought the storm provided cover for them to move units and bring up resupply for those on the lines. Quite the opposite because of J-Stars. They were decimated as the J-Stars gave accurate targeting data and wind direction and strength data for the combat aircraft carrying GPS guided munitions to accurately strike the targets despite the storm. Because of this the average accuracy of GPS guided munitions even in the high and variable winds was 3 meters from the target coordinates given.

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      Crakar24

      They don’t always go where planned I often wonder when we blow up hospitals, weddings funerals etc under the guise of they was terrorists it was in fact a wayward bomb lol

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        RAH

        There are “flyers” in every form of stand off weapon but it simply cannot be legitimately argued that “smart” stand off weapons have not greatly decreased collateral damage and civilian casualties over “dumb” munitions.

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      Hanrahan

      You seem to be interested in aircraft but everything about Desert Storm really was shock and awe. Even then, most air/air combat kills were beyond visual range.

      Have you seen the doco on the 73 Easting tank battle? H.R. McMaster showed as a camera hog but the damage inflicted in the Iraqi tanks was enormous with one battle casualty – the captain of a Bradley lost his head, but the vehicle was OK.

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        RAH

        Yes I have seen the documentary. Since I was a tyke and could read at a sufficient level I have read and studied military history and weapons and a lot of it was aviation history. I was serving when the M1, M2, and M3 were first introduced into service. I remember while taking some training at Ft. Knox, KY that a tank gunnery instructor told me they had to cut the target size down 50% for their students on the ranges for the M1 compared to the targets they were using for the M60 it would eventually replace. I remember the usual naysayers claiming that the gas turbine in the M1 could never be made to efficiently operate in a desert environment at the time. In Germany I remember the locals had two big complaints about the M1 during the annual REFORGER exercises. The gas turbine exhausted out the rear would crystalize their cars windshields and blister the paint if they tailgated the tanks which the Germans seemed to like to do with any vehicle in front of them. And the M1s headlights were set inside the track fenders on the front glacies while the M60s were on the outside periphery of the fenders thus at first there was a rash of accidents as German drivers had head on collisions with the tracks of M1s.

        And I’ll tell you that for a ground pounder hiding out in woods or deep underbrush even in training it is a terrifying experience to have those tracked vehicles come crashing through into your area at night because they don’t know your there.

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        RAH

        Hanrahan I suggest you read this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13623911-viper-pilot
        You will find out that there was considerable up close and personal combat during the air war of that campaign though most of it was not air to air because after the initial strikes the surviving Iraqis flew fighters to Iran to get them out of the way.

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    Crakar24

    Oh btw that alien probe dressed up to look like a chunk of rock is doing something strange, its leaving the solar system faster than it entered, their best guess is out gassing

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    pat

    what say did the members have, if any?

    2 Jul: BusinessGreen: Pension funds snap up £701m stake in EDF Renewables wind farms
    by James Murray
    Energy giant sells 49 per cent stake in 24 UK wind farms to Dalmore Capital Limited and Pensions Infrastructure Platform

    The growing interest from pension funds and infrastructure investors in renewables projects was underlined late last week, as Dalmore Capital Limited and Pensions Infrastructure Platform snapped up a £701m stake in 24 UK wind farms owned by EDF Renewables.
    The investment, which sees the firms acquire a 49 per cent minority stake in the 550MWportfolio, was backed with investment from large UK local authority pension schemes…

    Bruno Bensasson, group executive vice-president in charge of Renewable Energies and Chief Executive Officer of EDF Energies Nouvelles said the deal would support the company’s CAP 2030 strategy, which aims to double EDF Group’s renewable energy generation by 2030.
    “In this high growth renewables sector, such partnerships are important to allow investment in new projects such as our recent acquisition of the 450MW Neart Na Gaoithe offshore wind farm project in the Firth of Forth,” he added. “This collaboration underlines the appeal of our business to investment partners.”

    Alistair Ray, CIO of Dalmore Capital, stressed the attractiveness of renewables to pension funds. “Dalmore, on behalf of its investors, which include over two million UK pensioners, is very pleased to have led this acquisition to become a partner with EDF, a leading global utility, in this asset which makes a significant contribution to the UK’s clean energy supply. We look forward to working in partnership with EDF in delivering clean energy for the UK.”

    His comments were echoed by Mike Weston, CEO of Pensions Infrastructure Platform, who said the firm was “delighted to be making this investment on behalf of a large UK local authority pension scheme”.
    “This partnership with EDF in a significant renewable energy venture will help our investor meet its pension obligations and contribute to reducing the UK’s carbon emissions,” he said…
    https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/3035110/pension-funds-snap-up-gbp701m-stake-in-edf-renewables-wind-farms

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    unbelievable:

    29 Jun: UK Telegraph: World Bank warns over South Asian climate ‘hotspots’ as crops and livelihoods hit
    By Ben Farmer, Islamabad
    Sweltering under the record temperatures of a blistering hot spring, Pakistan’s farmers have this year had a vivid glimpse of the dangers a changing climate many pose to their livelihoods.
    As summer’s fierce heat this year arrived weeks early, the mercury rose above 50C (122F) and set what is thought to be a world record for an April temperature.
    The scorching weather of 2018 follows a trend of increasingly short, warm and early spring seasons which have left Pakistan’s farmers struggling to deal with new weather patterns.
    The heat has dried out farmland and hit profits by causing fruit and vegetables to ripen earlier, but smaller.

    New research from the World Bank attempting to quantify how climate change will affect South Asia over the coming decades has now warned weather changes risk badly denting the living standards of hundreds of millions in the region…

    Under the worst case “carbon intensive” scenario, living standards will fall by 6.7 percent for Bangladesh, 2.8 percent for India, 2.9 percent for Pakistan, and 7.0 percent for Sri Lanka, by 2050, the bank said.
    Under the second scenario, where action is taken to tackle greenhouse gases, living standards still fall, but for fewer people. Under that scenario, the predicted hotspots currently support around 280 million people…

    ***“Many parts of Afghanistan and Nepal are relatively cold at present, so warming will not have a negative effect on living standards in these countries,” the report said.
    “ In addition, climate change may increase precipitation in Afghanistan, which is predicted to have a positive effect.”
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/29/wold-bank-warns-south-asian-climate-hotspots-crops-livelihoods/

    28 Jun: Word Bank Press Release: Climate Change Could Depress Living Standards in India, says New World Bank Report
    NEW DELHI, June 28, 2018 – Rising temperatures and changing monsoon rainfall patterns from climate change could cost India 2.8 percent of GDP and depress the living standards of nearly half the country’s population by 2050, a World Bank report says.

    According to “South Asia’s Hotspots: The Impact of Temperature and Precipitation Changes on Living Standards” (LINK), almost half of South Asia’s population, including India, now lives in the vulnerable areas and will suffer from declining living standards that could be attributed to falling agricultural yields, lower labor productivity or related health impacts…
    http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2018/06/28/climate-change-depress-living-standards-india-says-new-world-bank-report

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    pat

    this story made a bit of a splash in the MSM recently:

    27 Jun: Greenpeace Unearthed: India’s enormous solar power plan: Is it for real?
    The Indian government has a habit of making ambitious promises and then back-pedaling.
    by Ashish Fernandes
    Last week, in an almost offhand remark, India power minister RK Singh said the country would hold a colossal 100GW solar tender in the near future.
    Anyone familiar with Indian politics was likely skeptical — and for good reason.
    Grandiose promises with no detail or follow through are par for the course, particularly when elections loom, as they do next year…

    ***Update: Yeah, the solar super tender probably isn’t happening. That’s what Singh reportedly told journalist Twesh Mishra shortly after the event at which he made the announcement…
    https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/06/27/india-solar-tender-is-very-big-maybe-too-big/

    28 Jun: TWEET: Twesh Mishra, Senior Reporter for The Hindu BusinessLine in New Delhi:
    At a subsequent event, @RajKSinghIndia has denied that this 100 GW tender is happening
    https://twitter.com/TweshMishra/status/1012310875427000320

    but that didn’t stop The Guardian:

    30 Jun: Guardian: India’s huge solar ambitions could push coal further into shade
    Foreshadowed 100 gigawatt tender is off the scale of country’s energy needs but represents ‘brilliant statement of intent’, analysts say
    by Michael Safi in Delhi
    But analysts have said the country has neither the infrastructure nor the energy demand to warrant installing so much solar capacity in one go, saying the announcement reflects the scale of India’s ambition to become a renewable energy leader.
    It is one of several green power promises made by Delhi this month on the back of continually falling renewables prices, with implications for coal projects including the proposed Adani Group mine in Queensland, Australia…

    ‘Brilliant statement of intent’
    The unscheduled announcement surprised some energy policy specialists who said it was unrealistic and unnecessary.
    “There are many, many operational constraints to the plan in terms of land availability, transmission connections, who’s going to buy and pay for those [transmission] towers, and so forth,” said Vinay Rustagi, the managing director of Bridge to India, a renewable energy consulting firm.

    “I don’t think a 100GW tender makes a lot of sense,” said Tim Buckley, a director at the pro-renewables Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis, but adding he thought the plan was a “brilliant statement of intent”…

    India has shelved or cancelled nearly 550 thermal coal projects in the past seven years, Buckley said…
    Singh said on Friday coal would remain a part of India’s energy mix because it was “a backbone” to the intermittent power provided by renewables…
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/30/indias-huge-solar-ambitions-could-push-coal-further-into-shade

    28 Jun: EconomicTimesIndia: Coal-fired power plants set to get renewed push
    By Nishtha Saluja, Sarita C Singh
    Coal-fired power plants, often regarded as polluting relics in an era of clean energy, are making a comeback in the government’s thinking as an official study says the rapid growth in solar projects needs to be matched with new investment in steady, 24×7 electricity supply from thermal projects…

    The official said solar energy supply is seasonal and good to meet daytime demand. “But to meet the peak evening demand and the manage supply in months when wind, solar and hydro generation is less, the study showed we will need fresh coal-based capacity,” he said. Analysts agree. As renewable energy is not firm in nature, demand from renewable energy has to be viewed in the context of balancing the grid and providing reliable 24×7 power to consumers, said Vinay Rustagi, managing director at Bridge to India…

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      ***perk up the coal:

      2 Jul: EconomicTimesIndia: PTI: Coal India Q1 production up 15.2% to 137 million tonne
      Coal India Limited today said it has registered a 15.2 per cent growth in coal production during the first quarter ended June 2018 to 136.87 million tonne while supply to power plants also jumped by 15.4 per cent to 122.84 million tonne…
      “Clearly the focus is on higher coal output and increased supplies and there had been a consistent growth both in coal production and supplies to consumers during all the three months of the first quarter,” a senior official of Coal India said…
      While the offtake was spurred by higher rake loading, the overall coal offtake zoomed to 153.43 million tonne at the end of June, translating into a growth of 11.7 per cent…

      The number of power stations having critical stock has come down from 30 in April to 16 as on June-end, the company said.
      “Our aim is to shore up coal stocks at thermal power plants to the normative stock of 22 days requirement and see that the coal-fired power plants do not suffer for want of coal. We have also requested the thermal power plants to ***perk up their coal stocks, the official said…
      https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/indl-goods/svs/metals-mining/coal-india-q1-production-up-15-2-to-137-million-tonne/articleshow/64826678.cms

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    29 Jun: BBC: Electric car buyers claim they were misled by Nissan
    By Brian Milligan
    They say charging the Leaf can take three times longer than claimed on Nissan’s website.
    Others are unhappy that the range on a single charge is not as good as the 235 miles (378km) they were promised.

    Nissan admitted that charging times can vary, but denied there was a problem or that any customers were misled.
    The Advertising Standards Authority is now considering whether to launch an investigation into the issue…

    As many as 2,600 new Leafs have been sold in the UK, and it was named Electric Car of the Year for 2018 by What Car? magazine.
    But drivers attempting longer journeys in the Leaf have found themselves spending up to two and a half hours at motorway service stations to recharge.

    Last year, Nissan told prospective buyers that using so-called rapid chargers should only take 40 minutes “in moderate driving conditions” for an 80% charge. They subsequently changed that to between 40 and 60 minutes.
    There appears to be no problem with the first two charges on any given day – one at home, and then the first rapid charge en route.
    It is only when drivers come to charge for the third time – or the second rapid charge – that some have said they face long waits. Potentially, that could affect any journey of more than 250 miles…

    When Mr Weatherley wrote to Nissan to complain, he was told that rapid charging was only intended for use once in a journey – something many buyers may be unaware of…
    Nissan also told the BBC that charging can take longer than advertised, depending on conditions.
    “External ambient temperature, the type of driving you’ve been doing beforehand, and the heat you put into the battery if you’ve been doing successive charges can impact the timing,” said Gareth Dunsmore, director of electric vehicles for Nissan Europe…

    Nissan said the original claim of 235 miles was correct under an official means of measurement known as the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC).
    However, as carmakers have moved to a different measure – known as the Worldwide harmonised Light vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP) – the range is now officially 168 miles…
    Meanwhile, a number of customers have cancelled their orders…
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44575399

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Thanks pat,
      That bit about “…heat into the battery…” suggests to me that we might have trouble with these beasties in summer. If in UK 35C is a heatwave, how will it go in 40? And an hour to refuel?
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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      James

      So the electric car makes are gaming the numbers just like the gasoline powered car makers do!

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    Phew , I guess I got triggered yesterday b y the word COAL in the article , it took my mind back to the miners strike and the role Lord Christopher played in that for his boss Maggie and how she then began the global warming meme for political reasons . Truth is at the moment and for the past year my family are going through very very devastating tragedy and so I am not in the right frame of mind to be posting on this blog and upsetting everyone here ,so please accept my sincere apologies . I’ve been working on a pet theory for a couple of years now about how a war that broke out between Rome and Judea in the 1st century lead to a Roman feudal system and has evolved today into an attempt by a new world order to destroy western culture and the Judao Christian values it’s based upon , for the purpose of creating a new world wide feudal system . I will at sometime create a series of essays with supporting evidence and research and then present it here for you all to put to review , disseminate and tear to shreds , because of ongoing circumstances and state of mind that work has come to a grinding halt , but I will get back on track eventually , until then and whilst in this state of mind I’ll ban myself from commenting here so as not to upset and anger the many on here that I respect and admire . All the best to everyone Pax et amore .

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      The Deplorable Vlad the Impaler

      Obviously, no one here doubts that a family issue is indeed a tragedy, and can cause some intemperate comments. Be at Peace; may you and yours know healing and comfort. I believe that we’ll all be here when you are ready to present your research. And, if we do ‘tear it down’, it is for the purpose of building it back up to a better thesis.

      Vlad

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      Dave, no biggie, please don’t ban yourself! There was obviously a need and plenty to discuss, so I’m happy to make some room. (Perhaps I need more unthreadeds or mini posts?)

      Best wishes that the darkness with lift, and do keep us informed about your book.

      I’m not convinced people want a feudal system, you’ve got some ground to cover there, but I’ve no doubt plenty want to be Kings.

      Jo

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      RicDre

      Doubtingdave:

      It sounds like you have a very interesting take on the happenings in the 1st century; I look forward to reading your essays. I hope you and your family find healing and peace.

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      yarpos

      meh, if you cant have the occassional rant whats the world coming to

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      Annie

      Dave, I was upset as we try to do and say what is right and have suffered for it, including being got at because we are Christians. I am very sorry indeed to hear that you have had such a dreadful time and hope that things look up for you and yours in the very near future. I’m glad you posted this today as it explains what caused your angst.
      In the meantime, please don’t go away. You have made some good comments in the past and you will surely have more to contribute in the future.

      Annie.

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    Peter C

    Banging on about the Photon

    The theory of light being a particle completely vanished until the end of the 19th century when Albert Einstein revived it. Now that the dual nature of light as “both a particle and a wave” has been proved, its essential theory was further evolved from electromagnetics into quantum mechanics. Einstein believed light is a particle (photon) and the flow of photons is a wave. The main point of Einstein’s light quantum theory is that light’s energy is related to its oscillation frequency. He maintained that photons have energy equal to “Planck’s constant times oscillation frequency,” and this photon energy is the height of the oscillation frequency while the intensity of light is the quantity of photons. The various properties of light, which is a type of electromagnetic wave, are due to the behavior of extremely small particles called photons that are invisible to the naked eye.

    The quote is taken forma Canon website (which I have lost)
    The bit I take most exception to is ” now the dual nature of light … Has been proved!

    Seven phenomena are observed ;
    Light travels in straight lines
    Reflection
    Refraction
    Interference
    Diffraction
    Polarization
    Photoelectric effect

    Of these, travelling in straight lines and reflection are explained by both particles and waves.  Refraction, interference, diffraction and polarization are best explained by the wave analogy.  The particle analogy has real problems with these, especially interference ( the two slit experiment).
    Consequently the particle theory was dead and buried at the turn of the twentieth century and all was well in the world of physics until the discovery of the photo electric effect.  Albert Einstein explained the photo electric effect by saying “that light is itself a particle” and for this he received the Nobel prize in Physics (not for his theories of relativity).

    Later on Einstein said , “All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, ‘what are light quanta?’ Nowadays, every Tom, Dick, and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken.”
    Albert Einstein, letter to Michael Besso 1954.

    Since the wave model of light is so successful at explaining the first siz phenomena, why haven’t physicist tried to explain the photo electric effect using the wave model?  After all Maxwells equations have never been challenged, and they are based on an interaction between waves in electric and magnetic fields.  what  if the photo electric effect can be explained as quantized interactions between light (waves) and matter.  In other words it is not the light which is quantised but the energy levels of the electrons in atoms.  Then we would not need a particle theory at all.  Einstein’s Nobel prize would be nothing and Feynman’s prize too.

    Think of a radio wave for a moment.  No one ever tries to describe that as a photon.  The oscillating electric field gives free electrons in the aerial wire a little push backwards and forwards, leading to a small oscillating electric current. 

    As the frequency of the “light gets higher” the electron has to respond more rapidly.  Eventually a point is reached where the electron can fly off the surface.

    Those  are just my thoughts.  But as expected I found that smarter people than me have also been thinking and writing about it.   More next time.

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      Kinky Keith

      Hi Peter,

      I’m not sure where this is going. It seems to have been inspired by someone trying to make a name for themself.

      As mentioned before it seems to be a storm in a tea cup.

      If I read the summary correctly it seems that someone is trying to use the wave model to replicate previous successful work achieved through the photon or quanta model, or vice versa.

      If that’s the case I’m sure Professor Brian Cox would have the answer, he seems to know everything, including the proof of man made global warming.

      :-) KK

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      Andrew McRae

      what if the photo electric effect can be explained as quantized interactions between light (waves) and matter.

      The evidence this has to account for is vaguely described like this:
      https://www.asu.edu/courses/phs208/patternsbb/PiN/rdg/photoelectric/photoelectric.shtml

      If the light has more than the minimum energy required, then the extra energy will be given to the ejected electrons as kinetic energy of motion. … The energy of the outgoing electrons depended on the frequency of light used.

      If the light itself is not quantized then by chance with a higher intensity of light there should be multiple light waves constructively interfering and ejecting electrons with higher kinetic energy than average. By the description above, that phenomenon has never been observed, and if you think it has just name the experiment that did so.

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        Peter C

        Thanks KK and Andrew,

        Where is this going? It is really just me ruminating about physics and the Greenhouse Theory. That leads me to unconventional ideas sometimes. In this case the light photon. Without photons there would be no need to consider back radiation from radiative gases which are supposed to keep the surface of the Earth warmer than it would be if themradiative gases were not here. As far as I know there is no experimental evidence to support that theory!

        Andrew, I do not know of any experiments which show light peaks from interference causing speedier electrons from the photo electric effect. However there are two reasons against that. Firstly interference will not occur unless there are two light sources. Secondly the energy in a light wave is a function of frequency only, not intensity. Therefore if interference did occur it would only cause a few more electrons locallly, not speedier ones and they would likely go unnoticed.

        Next post involves consideration of the momentum of a light photon.

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      Seems to me that waves need a medium but a medium does not need to be static. It can be made up of the tiniest subatomic particles all moving in unique directions at a common speed. The Silligaether.

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    RicDre

    Interesting article from the “Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup #320″ by SEPP (The Science and Environmental Policy Project)

    “Law of the Air? On his web site, Bernie Lewin continues his history of several important parts in the formation of the IPCC and the fear of carbon dioxide. Lewin discusses the Changing Atmosphere Conference Statement, on June 30, 1988 following a three-day conference in Toronto. The claim was that:

    “Humanity is conducting an unintended, uncontrolled, globally pervasive experiment whose ultimate consequences could be second only to a global nuclear war.”

    Other than carbon dioxide emissions were increasing, there was no solid evidence supporting the drastic claim that carbon dioxide is a major cause of increasing temperatures. Afterwards, the method for calculating comprehensive temperatures of the atmosphere was published, criticized and corrected. These data are a bulwark against false claims regarding unprecedented global warming, etc.

    Lewin states that: “A ‘law of the air’ was envisaged on the model of a ‘law of the sea’, but progress towards agreement on that treaty remained bogged down in negotiations over the funding of ‘technological transfer’ to poorer countries.”

    Amusingly, the law of the sea treaty stemmed from CIA cover story featuring Howard Hughes and the Glomar Explorer built to recover the sunken Soviet submarine K-129, lost in March 1968 in very deep water, at a depth of 16,500 feet (5.029 kilometers), northwest of Hawaii. The cover story included details on how the Glomar Explorer would gather precious metals on the ocean floor, which, as claimed, existed as clumps waiting for the picking. Many countries believed the story and demanded a share of the bounty through the UN, even though they were landlocked. Thus, one can argue that the IPCC and the Paris agreement stem from a CIA cover story”

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    Another Ian

    “Delingpole: Sinister Foreign Leader Caught Trying to Overturn Democratic Vote in UK…”

    https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/07/02/obama-meddled-with-uk-brexit-referendum/

    Think there might be any string pulling in Canberra?

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    Another Ian

    Check the pedigrees of the Nobel Peace Prize committee at the end

    https://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2018/07/how-trump-will-expose-nobel-peace-prize.html

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    PeterS

    I am sick and tired of the hypercritical comments made by everyone in particular politicians who is talking about Archbishop Philip Wilson sentenced to 12 months detention for child abuse cover-up saying he is dealt with too lightly. I agree the sentence is probably too light but at least he was caught, taken to court, found guilty and sentenced. That’s a lot more than what’s happened to those who have done far worse even today on children in aboriginal communities. Clearly politicians turn a blind eye to such criminal actions because of the difference in skin colour.

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    PeterS

    I am sick and tired of the hypercritical comments made by everyone in particular politicians who is talking about Archbishop Wilson sentenced too lightly. I agree the sentence is probably too light but at least he was caught, taken to court, found guilty and sentenced. That’s a lot more than what’s happened to those who have done far worse even today on children in dark skin communities. Clearly politicians turn a blind eye to such actions because of the difference in skin colour.

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      PeterS

      hypercritical – hypocritical

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      Kinky Keith

      Agree, all of them need to be brought to account.

      The human damage done almost in broad daylight, is horrific.

      So much for Trust.

      So much for Truth.

      KK

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    Hanrahan

    The X22 Report [US based] quotes Core Logic saying Sydney property is down 5% YoY and Melbourne down 2.2% since Dec.

    I haven’t heard about this. Do I just not get my news from the right places or is it being hushed up?

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day H,
      ABC news last night (Monday 2/7/18 at 7) had a Kohler segment including that, with graphs.
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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      Chad

      As with most statistics, its not that simple !….
      How they gather and process the data is open to debate, but for sure property price changes depend on exactly which suburb, what type og property, and multiple other factors.
      For instance, my own area of Sydney is reported to have YoY increase of 8.x% for the last 10 yrs, and last year it was (alledgedly) over 13% ..based on recent sales data.
      If that is the case, then some other Sydney areas must have had horrendous devaluation to ballance out the stats down to -5% . ?

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