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Crocodiles and Jellyfish are coming to get you — stay safe, install solar now!

Oh the dilemma. When faced with a crocodile do you get out a gun or put up a windmill?

It could be that natural cycles change animal habitats as they have for millions of years. It could be that we made crocodiles a protected species and stopped hunting and killing the wild ones in Queensland from 1974, but whatever, it must be climate, climate, climate. Buy an EV and stop the spread of crocodiles!

Crikey! Crocs heading south and other changes forecast for Australia’s wildlife

ABC “Science” By environment reporter Nick Kilvert

The chances of limiting climate change appear to be growing slimmer by the day — and this may have big implications for Australia’s wildlife.

Recently a number of crocodiles have been trapped in the Mary River, just 105 kilometres north of Noosa and 250km south of their usual range.

Irukandji jellyfish too, appear to be expanding south, with 10 suspected stings near Fraser Island and a child stung at Mooloolaba last year.

Numerous tropical fish have been recorded up to 1,000 kilometres south of their traditional range, such as the Great Barrier Reef’s lemon-peel angelfish which turned up on Lord Howe Island in 2009, and habitat-modifying sea urchins have landed in Tasmania.

According to Climate Action Tracker (CAT), the world is not reducing emissions sufficiently to limit warming to below 2 degrees.

So how will warming of 2 degrees affect the distribution of Australian animals?

Will we have crocodiles sunning themselves on the beaches at Noosa and Irukandji in Byron Bay? And what happens when rare species clinging to mountain tops run out of room to climb?

Or maybe there are just lots more crocs since we don’t shoot them anymore?

…there is uncertainty about whether the recent instances of crocodiles in southern waters is climate related or due to increasing numbers.

Crocodile populations have dramatically recovered from the brink of extinction since the 1970s, and the need for new territory may push some individuals to move outside their natural range.

A Queensland Department of Environment and Science (DES) spokesperson said they currently “don’t have evidence” to suggest crocodiles are expanding south.

Jellyfish are coming, spreading and deadly because “climate”

It was cooler in 1970 for reasons climate models don’t understand, but if you compare a naturally cooler part of recent history to a naturally warmer time, it’s clear (like sump water) that the cause is coal plants, cars and air conditioners.

Despite there being limited knowledge of Irukandji biology, toxinologist associate professor Jamie Seymour from JCU who has studied them extensively, said they were already responding to warming conditions.

 

 

“We looked at how far south the stings were 50 years ago and they were around about the Whitsundays. And we looked at where we’re getting stings now, which is the southern end of Fraser Island.”

 

 

 

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    TdeF

    When I studied Science, ecology was a relatively new idea. Botany and Zoology had been around for hundreds of years and a great Victorian interest since the discoveries of Darwin and Dinosaurs and the diversity of the Amazon jungle and the Congo. Animals were no longer a nuisance but painted as part of the great development of life on earth. We discovered the ideas of Pangea and Gondawanda land and the distribution of species. Things started to make sense, even the way South America fitted so neatly into Africa.

    It was mainly memory work with a touch of science, but definitely an art form. Especially Botany and Zoology. Ecology though was fasciating from caterpillars to reflections of human behaviour in other animals. Darwin’s point on your ear, a direct reflection of our ancestry.

    Now ecology is everything. We apparently undrestand everything. We have learned, it is all our fault. Whatever happens, it is all our fault.

    More specifically capitalist consumer societies. They are the problem, the entire problem. It’s simple, they generate CO2 as does every living thing, but they do so needlessly to stay warm, make stuff, grow food and go on holidays, so they are at fault. They must be stopped. Wealth must be shared. So the IPCC was invented to share the wealth, to force rich democratic countries with the Roman/British tradition to share, to pay penance and carbon indulgences.

    Socialism masquerading as environmentalism. Now who said that? Perhaps the same man who warned Europe and Australia that uncontrolled mass economic migration would be disastrous?

    Now even the jellyfish agree. It is all our fault, so they are coming to teach us a lesson. Apparently.

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      Graeme No.3

      TdeF:

      Obviously we need to train the crocodiles to eat the jellyfish. Then we shoot the crocodiles – avoiding the Greenies who are a crock ‘o dills.

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        Roger

        I think it would be more fun to send the ‘greenies’ out to play with the crocs ………

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        Roy Hogue

        I don’t know much about jellyfish but I can recognize a crock when I see one. And this sure looks like one.

        You draw your own conclusions but I’m still able to see the reality.

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          Roy Hogue

          So if one eats the other or not, it’s all “funny money” on some balance sheet somewhere that doesn’t mean a thing except in the heads of those who see a bogyman under every rock and bed.

          Living things are like the weather, they do as they please and the biggest thing they please to do is move around with their food supply. If they don’t they starve. And the weather will certainly influence the food supply. And the weather does as it pleases. And we’re back where we started 30 or 40 years ago.

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      Quadrant made a few comments (read the side panel): https://quadrant.org.au/

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      Mal

      It all sounds like a load of Croc.

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      Roger

      Reminds me of the Edinburgh University study that was published earlier this year – it concluded, and Press Released, that Shags (a marine feeding bird) had changed their diet because Climate Change was causing a reduction in Sand Eels off the Scottish Coast.

      I challenged them over this as two detailed reports, one for the Scottish Parliament and one for the UK government, had already studied this and both had found that the reduction in Sand Eel numbers was a direct result of over-fishing for them by Scandinavians fishing in Scottish waters under the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy. The other aspect I raised was that there had been No Change in sea temperatures which made it curious that they should suggest that ‘Climate Change’ was causing the reduction in Sand Eels.

      After raising this in emails to both the University and the Publisher I found that nobody at either was prepared to talk to me and further emails were ignored.

      Isn’t “Climate Science” a wonderful thing – any fantasy can be put out there as ‘Fact’.

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    el gordo

    “By and large, the East Australia Current is going to push them further south until it gets too cold and they can’t survive, so their southern distribution is temperature limited — we’re fairly certain about that.”

    Dr Seymour

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      sophocles

      No, no, no! It’s tectonic action! Nuffink you can do about it … but youse lot have moved 1500mm north over the last 22 years.

      Man, that’s scampering—a continent on skates! So think of the temperature changes! I bet you’ve all been really wondering how the BOM can be coming up with all that warming! Now you know! :-)

      The crocs must have sensed it and are now extending their range further south. Nothing like a bit of good—and tasty—anticipation. You just may have to go back to shooting.

      Ah, of course, that explains the air fares, too :-)

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        sophocles

        Now that was 2 years ago, so it must 1634 mm now, at that rate … :-)
        Maybe it’s caused by the buoyancy of all those politican and green heads—all that hard vacuum … (?)

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        shannon

        Maybe the crocs are heading south to eat the cane toads …… we wish !

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      WXcycles

      Oh no, all sorts of species are proliferating like wabbits and spreading all over the planet, the oceans will probably fill with too much fish poo. lt’ll cost trillions to fix …

      (humans did it)

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    Joanne mentions this in her text:

    Crocodile populations have dramatically recovered from the brink of extinction since the 1970s, and the need for new territory may push some individuals to move outside their natural range.

    This looks like footage taken from a drone, (obviously) and is on the Daly River in the Northern Territory.

    This short video only goes for a minute and a third, and count the crocs in this short stretch of River.

    How many solar panels were installed to save these little guys.

    Link to video

    Tony.

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      Another Ian

      Worth reading re crocs IMO

      Graeme Webb, “Wildlife conservation: in the belly of the beast”

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    Dennis

    Jellyfish?

    Aren’t they the legal eagles the UN permit to govern from Canberra.

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      Graeme No.3

      Dennis:

      You shouldn’t let the similarities lead you astray. Just because a jellyfish has no backbone, no brain, and a painful sting, why do you think …..Hmm I see your point.

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    pat

    TEARS OVER A FAKE PICTURE!

    22 Jun: ClimateChangeNews: Graphics of Marshall Islands sea level rise ‘brought EU ministers to tears’
    Striking sea level rise images have sent shockwaves through the Marshallese community and touched European ministers, says minister David Paul
    By Caitlin Tilley
    “It is hard to describe the personal emotions Marshallese people feel looking at these images,” says David Paul.

    The environment minister of the Marshall Islands has just released striking new graphics that show how fast climate change MAY overwhelm his homeland.
    The sea level rise PROJECTIONS were produced by researchers at the University of Hawaii, who topographically mapped Majuro to generate a specific picture OF THE FUTURE for the Marshall Island’s capital atoll…

    The images showed that with a rise in sea level of 91cm (three feet), the majority of the low-lying land would become completely uninhabitable. That’s a rise in ocean levels scientists predict could occur by 2100 unless humans curb greenhouse gas emissions…

    Paul has been in Europe attending ministerial meetings. “It is clear the images resonate with others too,” he says. “I printed them out and showed them to many other ministers in Europe this week. Many of them were in tears. They clearly left a big impression on the German minister [Svenja Schulze] – who is now a really close friend. And [French ecology minister] Nicolas Hulot asked me for copies so he could show them to president Macron.”…

    Paul also announced that the Marshall Islands will host a climate dialogue on 23 July in Majuro, to discuss further strategies to reduce emissions.
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/06/22/graphics-marshall-islands-sea-level-rise-brought-eu-ministers-tears/

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    benpal

    And we looked at where we’re getting stings now, which is the southern end of Fraser Island.

    Isn’t this in the interest of bio-diversity?

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      Greg Cavanagh

      More likely a purely population based result.

      There were no large populations on the beach back in the 70′s. Rainbow beach is right below Frazer Island with the huge Tin Can Bay and Hervey Bay behind the island. The tidal wash of the island draws in the large ocean going sharks into the bay area, and Rainbow Beach is right beside this tidal serge making swimming at Rainbow rather risky. The population and popularity of Rainbow has increased today, there are constantly people swimming, whereas in the 70′s that was rare, and you never went past the breakers.

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    pat

    21 Jun: YaleEnvironment360: How Green Groups Became So White and What to Do About It
    If environmental organizations want to become racially diverse, says sociologist Dorceta Taylor, they need to change the way they perceive people of color. In an e360 interview, she talks about how the conservation movement must transform itself to become more inclusive and effective.
    By Diane Toomey
    In an interview with Yale Environment 360, Taylor offered this advice to green groups: “Stop being so afraid of people of color. Meet them, interact with them, cultivate them, identify students early, and start recruiting them. If all the people I talked to, and knew, and interacted with were black, no one would take me particularly seriously — I have to engage multi-culturally. That burden of proof should be on everybody.”…
    https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-green-groups-became-so-white-and-what-to-do-about-it

    writer’s Yale bio: Diane Toomey is an award-winning public radio journalist who has worked at Marketplace, the World Vision Report, and Living on Earth, where she was the science editor. Her reporting has won numerous awards, including the American Institute of Biological Sciences’ Media Award. She is a regular contributor to Yale e360 and currently is an associate researcher at the PBS science show NOVA.

    21 Jun: InsideClimateNews: Senators James Inhofe and Ted Cruz are going after the National Science Foundation’s funding of a climate science education program for weather forecasters.
    By Marianne Lavelle
    One of the more innovative and effective efforts to convey climate information to the American public has been a project to educate and assist weather forecasters in presenting the complexities of climate science.
    Climate Matters, a program developed through a partnership of George Mason University, Yale University and the science and news nonprofit Climate Central, has built a network of 520 weather forecasters in 146 media markets…

    Now, four Republican senators closely allied with the fossil fuel industry are challenging the government’s support of the project…
    More than 80 percent of TV weathercasters now say that human-caused climate change is happening, according to an NSF-funded study published last year. As recently as a decade ago, one study found that only 20 percent of broadcast meteorologists identified carbon dioxide as the main cause of global warming…
    The four senators, all of whom count the oil, gas and coal industries as among their top political funders, have been among the most vociferous climate science deniers on Capitol Hill…

    The $7.8 billion (NSF’s) agency’s website says that science and engineering education “from pre-K through graduate school and beyond” is an essential element of its mission…
    Climate Central is a nonprofit educational organization of scientists and journalists that does not engage in political advocacy…

    The senators’ letter came on a week when a number of weathercasters were seeking to use the start of summer to raise awareness of human-caused climate change.
    Close to 100 broadcast meteorologists were planning to don blue and red stripes for their on-air segments Thursday as part of an international effort to draw attention to a graphic representation of the increase in global temperatures since 1850. The “warming stripes” graphic was created by climate scientist Ed Hawkins, a professor at the University of Reading and a principal researcher at the U.K.’s National Centre for Atmospheric Science…
    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/21062018/weather-forecasters-climate-change-education-nsf-science-foundation-inhofe-cruz-rand-paul

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    pat

    environmentalists outrage over wind “farm”:

    22 Jun: Scotsman: Wind farm ‘could wipe out a third of wildcats’
    Scottish wildcats are facing extinction after it emerged that 30 per cent of the species could be wiped out by a wind farm expansion. Swedish energy giant Vattenfall hopes to expand a wind farm at the publicly-owned Clashindarroch Forest in Aberdeenshire – home to at least 13 Scottish wildcats.
    With estimates for the entire population as low as 35, it is thought to be the largest single population known to exist.
    Campaign group Wildcat Haven said the wind farm would “clear fell” a large amount of wildcats, “fracturing the only viable population” of the critically endangered cats.
    Some 200,000 people have signed a petition demanding the Scottish Government protect the forest.
    With one wind farm already in operation at the site, which was strongly opposed by the local community, the second would see a quarter of the forest felled…
    Forestry Service (FCS) emails released under the Freedom of Information Act have highlighted the threat to the cats…
    Wildlife filmmaker and expert wildcat conservationist Steve Piper, who started the petition, slammed the development as “shameful”.
    https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/wind-farm-could-wipe-out-a-third-of-wildcats-1-4757611

    21 Jun: EveningExpressUK: 200,000 sign petition calling for north-east forest to be protected saying ‘logging will tear wildcat population apart’
    by Adele Merson
    Steve Piper, a wildlife filmmaker and expert wildcat conservationist who started the petition, said it’s “appalling” that the Forestry Commission are clear-felling the area.
    He said: “The Highlands is full of bare hills so why do we need another wind farm on the only one with a resident wildcat population?”…

    Alison Daugherty, Vattenfall’s project manager for the development of Clashindarroch II, said: “Vattenfall and our partners have undertaken extensive environmental studies over several years and this will continue as we prepare and invite the scrutiny of a rigorously prepared environmental impact assessment.
    “What the evidence currently shows is the wildcat population in Clashindarroch Forest is unaffected by our four-year-old operational wind farm. We will propose a new scheme – Clashindarroch II – that does no harm to the existing population and, with habitat enhancement elsewhere in the forest, further protects this sensitive species.”…
    https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/petition-launched-to-protect-forest-saying-logging-will-tear-wildcat-population-apart/

    The Guardian has been VERY CONCERNED about the Scottish wildcats for years and as recently as a week ago (see below), but no word from them as yet on the petition to stop a wind “farm”:

    15 Jun: Guardian: Can Scotland save its wildcats from extinction?
    The secretive mammals are fast disappearing from the Highlands but last-ditch efforts to save them are fraught with challenges
    by Libby Brooks
    The Scottish wildcat is now one of the most critically endangered wild mammals native to the UK, according to a comprehensive analysis by the Mammal Society released earlier this week, which estimated the population at 200 but accepts that the figure may be significantly lower.
    “I think it’s desperate,” says Lister-Kaye, who believes the population in the wild may have dwindled to the low tens. “We’re at the last possible moment to try and recover this species from extinction.” …
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/15/can-scotland-save-its-wildcats-from-extinction

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      Ve2

      There’s a forest in Scotland?

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        sophocles

        Ve2 asks:

        There’s a forest in Scotland?

        Apparently: The Caledonian Forest is the name given to the former temperate rainforest of Scotland. The name comes to us from Pliny the Elder … [[see Caledonian Forest]

        It’s a young forest, with Scots pines—how strange—and is only about 7000 years old … gee, it must have been warm in Scotland all those years ago … warmer than now.
        William Wallace’s guerillas had to have somewhere to hide when they were persecuting King Edward’s troops way back in the late thirteenth century.

        Scotland also has woods. There’s Great Birnam Wood which gets an honourable mention by The Bard in that Scottish Play (Macbeth). Mind you, it could be part of the Caledonian Forest or an off-shoot (or three or four).

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    Still reckon a lot of this comes from having succeeding joystick generations. There are now buttons, levers and switches for climate, just like under commieness there were buttons, levers and switches for economy.

    To complete the kiddie kapers, according to David Paul as quoted above by pat, if you show the result of a bad game which hasn’t actually happened a bunch of EU ministers will start blubbering for some reason. (Crying champagne drunks. Don’t you hate ‘em?)

    Simplistic, mechanistic and literal-minded brats are running science on the behalf of cynical carpetbaggers and crony capitalists. And at this point in the discussion I wish to single out Malcolm Turnbull and Josh Frydenburg, not because they invented this mess but because they have been the ones in charge for the last few years. Nobody could reverse Labor’s (globally concerted) debt now, but there has been plenty of time to get cracking on eliminating the RET and initiating the modernisation of all aspects of our domestic coal industry (without which we are zilch – see TonyfromOz).

    Get those names and number plates? Turnbull and Frydenberg. Give them no peace.

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    pat

    time to target another industry? MPs find the time:

    22 Jun: Guardian: MPs to examine environmental footprint of UK fashion industry
    Inquiry will explore the carbon impact, resource use and water footprint of growing throwaway ‘fast fashion’ sector
    Rebecca Smithers, Consumer affairs correspondent
    The inquiry, launched on Friday by the House of Commons environmental audit committee, will explore the carbon impact, resource use and water footprint of clothing throughout its lifecycle and supply chain.
    Inviting evidence on how the influential sector should remodel itself to be both “thriving and sustainable”, it will look at how improved recycling rates of clothing could slash waste and pollution.

    “Fashion shouldn’t cost the Earth” said Mary Creagh MP, chair of the committee. “But the way we design, make and discard clothes has a huge environmental impact. Producing clothes requires climate-changing emissions. Every time we put on a wash, thousands of plastic fibres wash down the drain into the oceans. We don’t know where or how to recycle end-of-life clothing.” …

    According to the British Fashion Council, the UK fashion industry contributed £28.1bn to national GDP in 2015, up from £21bn in 2009…
    Last year the fashion designer Stella McCartney condemned her own industry as “incredibly wasteful and harmful to the environment.”…

    A report from the Ellen MacArthur Foundation (LINK) put the annual cost to the UK economy of landfilling clothing and household textiles at about £82m. It warned that if the global fashion industry continues on its current growth path, it could use more than a quarter of the world’s annual carbon budget by 2050…
    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2018/jun/22/mps-to-examine-environmental-footprint-of-uk-fashion-industry

    p16 of 148-page report: Disclaimer:
    This report has been produced by a team from the Ellen MacArthur Foundation, which takes full responsibility for the report’s contents and conclusions. McKinsey & Company provided analytical support…
    Partners of the Ellen MacArthur Foundation include SUN Institute, Google, Philips, Renault, Unilever.

    Ellen MacArthur Foundation: CEO & Trustees
    Ellen MacArthur: Founder & Chair of Trustees
    Dame Ellen MacArthur made yachting history in 2005, when she became the fastest solo sailor to circumnavigate the globe, and remains the UK’s most successful offshore racer ever…

    Peter Morgan, Trustee & Director, Corporate Affairs for Rolls-Royce
    Prior to joining Rolls-Royce, Peter was Group Director of Communications for BT (British Telecom), prior to this he worked in the media team in BT as Head of Group Media Relations…
    The first twenty years of Peter’s career was spent in the BBC as a reporter and correspondent. He reported from all around the world, specialising in international business, and was the Berlin Correspondent from 1998 – 2000..

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      sophocles

      Lead by Mary Creagh MP(L), an extremely fashion conscious individual pictured here wearing … umm is that a man’s suit jacket?
      Whatever.

      Absolutely an ideal person to lead a pogrom.

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    Jeff

    Corals growing further south.
    Increased area suitable for coral reefs.
    There won’t be much emphasis on that.

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    Ken Stewart

    Another ABC beat up. There were crocodiles in the Mary River in the early 1960s. They were probably even further south before Europeans started shooting them.
    There have been crocodiles seen in the Dawson River near Baralaba hundreds of kilometres above salt water in the 1980s.
    They are strong swimmers and travel far.

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      Yep, sighted in the 1960s not far from Gympie, though the river may have been more salty then. After federal protection laws in 1971 we should not be surprised if there are more crocs generally, and thus more crocs south.

      So I guess that’s that…but, of course, that won’t be that.

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      WXcycles

      An emaciated (unhealthy) saltwater croc was once caught in the Brisbane river, some time early last century. I saw an old newspaper photo of it in a herpetologist’s library (pre-internet days). Fairly unlikely a salty could survive much further south though as the water gets too cold for them to live south of about Stradbroke Island. They always spend their nights in water during winter. So they need relatively warmer water to survive winter. Anywhere south of about Maryborough or Frazer Island coast would really suck. They’d only go south of about there, if in warmer months, or else there were too many big crocs in areas to the north, or both.

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        Yonniestone

        In earlier times of S.E. Queensland a few attacks in brackish estuary waters were attributed to crocs until the abilities of Bull sharks were discovered.

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    manalive

    Odd how all the species that are dangerous and very few people like will thrive while pretty and cute species like koalas, bilbies, hare wallabies, quolls, etc. are the ones threatened by climate change™.

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      ReAlan

      I’ve been using your argument in discussions for years now, but it simply just goes over the heads of the warmists. They just can’t seem to get it. I’ve really, really tried to explain it to them but they still don’t get it. It’s unbelievable.

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    ‘Socialism masquerading as envronmentalism’ says TdeF up thread.
    Yes, and when you want more central guvuhmint conn-trol, keeping
    the populace alarmed is the way to go. And politiks of fear involves
    socially engineering the populace to be receptiv-ized to fear, hafta’
    find the way to educate for chicken-little-ness, university replace
    critical thinking with empathy-programming and entitlement-studies,
    bring in “safe places,” ‘make ‘em think guvuhmint can protect them
    from what’s out there!… Eliminate history from the curriculum,…
    can’t show the record of weak nations overtaken, don’t let them know
    the realities out there… Oh, and hafta’ knee cap the strong, the independent thinker, the resilient, the risk taker, the innovative
    who stand in the way of their little shepherd and shepherdess utopia,
    sans energy, sans innovation, sans defense, sans anything.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ZFlfIEBQA

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      sophocles

      beththeserf, are you hinting that politicians should be doing something else, like, behaving honourably? And doing their best to lead the body politic? Working selflessly for the good of the many? All that sort of stuff?

      Ugh. That’s just not politix! Politicians are two-legged Mustelids …

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    Jeff

    PHOTO: A crocodile was shot in the Logan River, south of Brisbane, in 1905. (Supplied: John Oxley Library)

    Crocodiles in New South Wales

    The southern-most reported sighting of a crocodile was believed to be in Angourie, near Yamba in northern New South Wales, in 1939. Eight reports appeared in The Sydney Morning Herald and The Courier Mail alleging the sighting of a crocodile by a train driver, that resulted in an unsuccessful hunt for the reptile.

    The Angourie crocodile was never photographed.

    Gold Coast and Brisbane crocs
    There have also been several reported sightings of crocodiles in the Gold Coast and Brisbane regions.

    The most famous was a four-metre crocodile shot in the Logan River and photographed in 1905.

    However, northern New South Wales-based environmental consultant Gary Opit also has clippings from a memoir written by a man named Carl Lentz in 1891 who reported seeing a crocodile in the Nerang River.

    Mr Opit said he believed the crocodiles did swim from further north.

    “Crocodiles are sea-going animals and are perfectly healthy and happy far out to sea and live there for weeks or months without any problem,” Mr Opit said.

    “I think the Angourie crocodile travelled all the way down and found itself a nice home here.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-03/curious-north-coast-crocodiles/9714148

    http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s630/GeorgeGibson1813/croc.jpg

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    Phillthegeek

    “We looked at how far south the stings were 50 years ago and they were around about the Whitsundays. And we looked at where we’re getting stings now, which is the southern end of Fraser Island.”

    This is also happening in W.A.

    And then there is this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/08/new-jellyfish-discovered-giant-venomous-species-found-off-australia

    Dangerous as unlike other they have nematocysts on the body as well as the tentacles. And they seem to be a recent arrival in areas like Ningaloo Reef.

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    Brinkin

    Having lived in croc territory in the NT for over 70 years I can tell you that there is a lot more to come , the advance of the cane toads has pretty much wiped out the water monitors and goannas that used to treat croc eggs as snack food, the Aboriginals that used to eat both the eggs and the young crocks now feast on Maccas and KFC, I am now seeing crocs in areas they have never inhabited.

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      A very interesting point Brinkin. Thankyou.

      With Cane Toads now advancing across WA I guess another increase in crocs coming in Far North WA too.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    B.F. Skinner — learning happens by fractional anticipatory goal responses. Cool. er., warm. The evolution of species happen before the majority of any forecast warming actually appears in nature. Ain’t critters smart? Ain’t we dumb?

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    Mark M

    Yep.

    Turns out emitting a trace gas (CO2) is a truly lousy way of boiling oceans, turning them acidic and killing or wiping out jellyfish and crocodiles.

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      Yonniestone

      I’d suggest releasing CO2 from drinking vessels beside oceans then entering the water a far more dangerous exercise.

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    pat

    given “socialism” has cropped up in this thread, posting this bit of fun for those who might have missed it:

    17 Jun: Breitbart: Elon Musk: ‘I Am a Socialist’
    by Joel B. Pollak
    Tesla CEO and PayPal billionaire Elon Musk surprised many Friday when he declared on Twitter that he is a socialist. Conservative critics, however, may well have agreed, given his companies’ reliance on the state…
    Conservatives have often criticized Musk in the past for relying heavily on government for his companies’ success. Tesla, for example, has consistently lost money — except where it has been able to sell carbon emissions permits provided by the State of California…READ ALL
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/06/17/elon-musk-i-am-a-socialist/

    18 Jun: CNBC: Elon Musk: Free cash handouts ‘will be necessary’ if robots take humans’ jobs
    by Catherine Clifford
    Billionaire tech titan Elon Musk has been tweeting quite a lot of late — about everything from his philosophical mentors (Douglas Adams and Isaac Asimov) to his political leanings (he’s a socialist).
    But nearly lost in a flurry of tweets, Musk now says that universal basic income (UBI) — essentially, free cash handouts — “will be necessary over time if AI [artificial intelligence] takes over most human jobs.”…

    And Musk isn’t the only Silicon Valley titan to surface the idea.
    Billionaire Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has indicated his support for universal basic income as a way to inspire more entrepreneurial creativity…
    And billionaire serial entrepreneur Richard Branson has said he supports investigating the idea for similar reasons to Musk…

    One young democratic presidential hopeful is banking his 2020 run for the White House on the idea of giving $1,000 per month to all citizens between the ages of 18 and 64. Entrepreneur and author Andrew Yang calls his payment “the Freedom Dividend.”
    Also, the young mayor of Stockton, Calif., Michael Tubbs, is piloting a universal basic income experiment as a way to alleviate poverty there. And UBI is officially part of the California Democratic Party’s 2018 party platform— a move that could potentially bring the idea of universal basic income out of the purely theoretical stage and into practice…
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/elon-musk-automated-jobs-could-make-ubi-cash-handouts-necessary.html

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    pat

    The Guardian “green police” are on the job:

    23 Jun: Guardian: Are some landlords bending energy efficiency rules?
    Renting out properties with bad insulation and heating has been prohibited since April
    by Rupert Jones
    Since the start of April, landlords have been prohibited from renting out “sub-standard” houses and flats, which, in this context, means those that don’t meet minimum energy-efficiency requirements.
    However, Guardian Money has been shown an example of a flat being listed on a letting agent website where the energy efficiency “score” appears to have been fraudulently changed to allow it to be advertised.
    The reader who brought the listing to our attention says the property – a one-bedroom flat in west London – has had its energy efficiency rating “miraculously increased” from 23 on the official certificate to 40 on the agent’s website.

    Landlords can be fined up to £4,000 if they let a sub-standard property in breach of the regulations, and can be “named and shamed” on a public register.
    But when Money tried to search the register, we could not find details of a single landlord issued with a penalty…
    So how many of these sub-standard properties are out there? According to letting agent body Arla Propertymark, it’s as many as 300,000…

    However, there is a rather large elephant in the room in the form of an exemption that many landlords can use to get out of doing the work…
    In other words, the ban doesn’t apply if the landlord has been unable to access third-party funding – for example, Green Deal finance or a local authority grant – to cover the costs…

    Go to epcregister.com, click on “retrieve report using property address” and type in the postcode or address, and you can then view the EPC for that property (if it hasn’t been sold or rented out in the last decade, it may not be on the system).

    If the EPC rating of the flat highlighted by the Money reader has been deliberately changed to allow it to be rented out again, the local authority could impose a penalty of up to £4,000 and publish details of the breach on a publicly accessible part of what’s known as the “PRS exemptions register”…
    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jun/23/rent-property-energy-efficiency-rating-score-fraud

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    pat

    22 Jun: Daily Caller: SCOOP: Congress Demands EPA Investigate Potential Collusion With Lobbyists To Thwart Trump’s Agenda
    by Michael Bastasch
    Republican lawmakers are demanding the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) inspector general’s office investigate alleged collusion between agency officials and lobbyists to undermine the Trump administration’s deregulatory agenda.

    Four GOP lawmakers and the chair of a powerful House subcommittee want to know why EPA officials worked with trucking lobbyists on a study that was never approved by administration officials, yet obtained and touted by opponents of repealing regulations on refurbished heavy-duty truck engines.
    “When EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt repealed the current glider rule, career employees at the EPA communicated with the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) with the intent of eliminating the glider industry,” four GOP lawmakers, led by Rep. Bill Posey of Florida, wrote to EPA Inspector General Arthur Elkins.
    “In our opinion, EPA’s conduct undermines the current Administration’s policies and prevents the repeal of the rule,” Republicans wrote to Elkins in a letter sent Thursday that was obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

    Separately, Rep. Greg Gianforte, chairman of a subcommittee on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, sent a letter to Elkins demanding an investigation into whether collusion between EPA and Volvo lobbyists “violated any policies or procedures intended to ensure objectivity and integrity of tests conducted at” the National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory (NVFEL) in Ann Arbor, Mich…
    EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt’s plan to repeal glider kit regulations would get rid of quotas imposed on companies that have forced mass layoffs in the industry…

    The letter comes after TheDCNF reported on emails obtained by former Trump transition team member Steve Milloy showing high-level officials at EPA’s vehicle testing lab were working with lobbyists with Volvo Group North America on a study that’s been used to undermine deregulating the glider industry…READ ON
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/congress-epa-investigate-potential-collusion-lobbyists/

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    pat

    23 Jun: Barrons: How Jeremy Grantham Is Taking On Climate Change
    By Leslie P. Norton
    “I ended my harangue by saying, ‘I want you to go back to your investment firms, cash in your career chips, and get your bosses to go greener and lean on their portfolio companies to be greener—then you’ll be able to look your grandchildren in the eye,’ ” Grantham recalled last week.

    “The great weakness of U.S. capitalism, particularly at the corporate level, is the fixation on the short term,” he continued. Capitalism “does a million things much better than a command economy, except for sustainability. Corporations simply aren’t paid to give up today’s profits in favor of the longer-term profits. And sustainability gets right to the heart of long-term thinking.”…

    He and his wife, Hanne, also fund the Grantham Foundation for the Protection of the Environment, whose recipients include the World Wildlife Fund, the Nature Conservancy, and a number of eponymous institutions devoted to studying the impact of climate change at the London School of Economics, Imperial College, and University of Sheffield. Altogether, Grantham’s philanthropies total $1 billion.

    While ESG has “come a long way in a hurry in the past couple of years,” Grantham believes the “E” part is overwhelmingly important. Among his nominees for our list: Vision Ridge Partners, led by former Baupost Group investor Reuben Munger, which invests in renewable power, agriculture, water, transportation, land, and a variety of sustainable assets; the Carbon Tracker Initiative, which analyzes the impact of energy transition on the capital markets; the Global Footprint Network, which measures how fast humans are using resources and generating waste; Systemiq, the sustainability advisory and investment firm founded by ex-McKinsey consultant Jeremy Oppenheim; and Osmosis Investment Management, which identifies companies whose sustainability programs have delivered shareholder value.
    https://www.barrons.com/articles/how-jeremy-grantham-is-taking-on-climate-change-1529712002

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    toorightmate

    Jamie Seymour is spot on.
    When I was sailing around the South Western Pacific 400 years ago, there were no sheep or cattle in Terra Australis.
    Now look how many of them have migrated to the Great South Land because of climate change.
    BTW, if you watched the rugby league test between Samoa and Tonga Saturday night from Sydney, you would have noticed thousand of Samoans and Tongans in the crowd.
    They are here because of climate change.
    Their homelands are being swamped.
    Day by day.
    Hour by hour.
    Minute by minute.
    To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

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    pat

    just saw this brief piece:

    22 Jun: Axios: Shannon Vavra: Obama to travel to Europe and Africa to talk economy, climate change
    Former President Barack Obama will travel to Spain, Portugal, Kenya, and South Africa this July to discuss the economy and effects of climate change, according to a statement from his personal office.
    The details: He’ll participate in the Circular Economy and Innovation Summit in Madrid, the Climate Change Leadership summit in Porto, meet with Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta, and, separately, meet with the South African President President Cyril Ramaphosa.

    and this…so tacky:

    22 Jun: Politico: Obama to meet with Kenyan and South African leaders
    By STEPHANIE MURRAY
    The meetings are the latest in a string of talks the former president has had with sitting world leaders since leaving office. The former president has drawn some criticism for meeting with sitting leaders.
    Among the leaders Obama has met with are German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, Chinese President Xi Jinping, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Argentinian President Mauricio Macri and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi…
    For his latest trip, the former president will first visit Spain and Portugal. Obama will speak at the 2018 Circular Economy and Innovation Summit in Madrid, and then at the Climate Change Leadership Porto 2018 Summit in Porto that same afternoon. The trip will span from July 5 to July 7, according to his office…
    Rounding out the trip, Obama will hold a town hall event with the 200 newly-selected Obama Foundation Leaders in Africa on July 18.

    and was immediately reminded that I saw “circular economy” stuff on Ellen Macarthur Foundation website when I was posting comment #10. now I find this:

    24 Jan: EllenMacarthurFoundation: The Ellen MacArthur Foundation signs new agreement with UN Environment
    The Ellen MacArthur Foundation has entered into a new agreement with the United Nations Environment Programme (UN Environment), the leading global environment authority, to scale up and accelerate the shift towards a circular economy. Such an economy supports sustainable consumption and production systems which are central to achieving the Sustainable Development Goals.

    Today, at the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos, Ellen MacArthur and Erik Solheim, Executive Director of UN Environment, announced an agreement that will see the organisations focus their joint efforts on stimulating public-private sector engagement with circular economy solutions. This will include strengthening the scientific basis for policy decisions, including at city level, to decouple economic development from environmental degradation…

    The announcement was made alongside the launch of the World Economic Forum’s Platform for Accelerating the Circular Economy (PACE), for which the Ellen MacArthur Foundation is a Knowledge Partner and is represented at board level. PACE brings together companies, organisations and governments to create innovative partnerships that drive actions at global and regional levels to decouple economic growth from resource use.

    The circular economy is also of particular interest to the International Resource Panel, a group of eminent scientists, expert in the technical and socio-economic issues around resource management, set up by United Nations Environment in 2007, to build and share the knowledge necessary to improve resource use globally…
    https://www.ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/news/the-ellen-macarthur-foundation-signs-new-agreement-with-un-environment

    also noted:

    Circular Economy European Union: European Circular Economy Stakeholder Platform
    A joint initiative by the European Commission and the European Economic and Social Committee
    https://circulareconomy.europa.eu/platform/en/event-type/conference

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    observa

    Grew up in Darwin as a lad in the 50s and 60s and you could swim anywhere around Darwin beaches including Howard and Berry Springs because it was like this with crocs.
    You stop shooting them around populated areas for 40 plus years and guess what happens when they breed up and they’re territorial and they’re no longer afraid of humans but find us quite tasty?

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      Kinky Keith

      For a similar reason, decision-makers who are averse to facing reality, here in Newcastle we have had two major fires, essentially ” firebombs ” that have gone off and terrified local inhabitants.

      Totally unnecessary.

      Then the local authorities responsible come out and blame it on “coal”. ?

      Similar thing with shark netting on a couple of local beaches. Not sure how effective they were but surely we have a right to fence off a very small part of the coast as reassurance for the many bathers and surfers who use the area.

      KK

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    Warren

    Quite obviously the ABC fact checkers missed the photos of 5m crocodiles shot in the Mary river in the 1950′s and the reluctance of locals to swim in the Mary river. And as for the research of Universities, I have only 2 words to add, Peter Ridley.

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    Edwina

    Big crocodiles were inhabiting the southern QLD waterways and northern NSW too in the late 1800s. They were shot out. It is only natural they will regain their habitat. That was BEFORE any global warming could have influenced their habitat.

    And it is not global warming causing them to come further south. But the MSM and academics are either ignorant of recent history or are being willful in not stating the fact of crocodiles being far south not long ago. Many pictures to prove this can be found.

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    Greg in NZ

    Same-same brainwashing – no wait, climate ‘communicating’ – endlessly shoved down our throats (or to be more physiologically correct, hammered into our inner ears) here in NZ by the chosen high priests of Gibberish, formerly known as Gobbledygook.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018650659/tim-naish-says-we-can-still-save-antarctic-ice

    Having flown to Davos, Switzerland – is it climate worrier migration time or sumpthink? – a certain Professor Tim Naish of Wellington’s Victoria University (hot-bed of hot Hot HOT consensus) preaches that no less than the mythological 97% of anthropogenic fossil fuel ™heat™ is now residing in the southern hemisphere ocean… insert sound of crickets… which [models predict] will cause 15 metres / 50 feet of sea level rise “in the centuries to come”. Crickets…

    I’m aware climate reanalyzer [sic] data maps need to be taken with a large dose, nay, sack, of salt; however, from 22 June – whilst said Prof. Naish was enjoying the delights of Davos in summer whilst NZ shudders through yet another frigid, frosty, freezing, snowy winter – the SST anomaly for the southern hemisphere was a mind-numbingly scorchy burny burst-into-flames oh-my-we’ve-killed-the-penguins 0.0˚C.

    http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/DailySummary/#sstanom

    Not being a trained social scientist, I was, none-the-less, fortunate enough to learn how to read, write, add, subtract, along with a few other skills needed to survive the highways and byways of the Land of Gibberish, formerly known as Gobbledygook, that a 0.0˚C difference equates to zero, nothing, nada, zip. Besides, talking of life skills, a buddy and I paddled our surfboards up as far as the third gorge of the Katherine Gorge – and back – in 1983 and not one croc roused itself from sunbathing on the riverbank to come get us. The giant ants, on the other hand, were freaking terrifying man-eating monsters!

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      Craig Thomas

      I don’t know who these “high priests of gibberish” are, but you certainly seem to be taking lessons from them.

      Among other things, maybe you need to check the current New Zealand sea surface anomalies?
      http://www.surf-forecast.com/current-maps/New-Zealand/sea-surface-temperatures-anomaly

      Maybe base your future postings on facts instead of gibberish?

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        Greg in NZ

        CT – or is it TC? – those piddling little warm patches are where Canberra’s sewage outfall discharges into the Tassie. The SST at my local beach on the North Island’s east coast is the standard mid-winter 16˚C – same as it always is in June, ‘refreshing’ to say the least!

        http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2018/anomnight.6.28.2018.gif

        Maybe try NOAA’s SST anomaly map for the whole planet: oh dear, all that blue ‘colder than average’ is equal to its opposite – otherwise known as zero anomaly, no change at all, same as it ever was, in perfect balance. Nice try but FAILED gibberish.

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        Greg in NZ

        http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/DailySummary/#sstanom

        Based on 1971 – 2000 average –
        SST anomaly Southern Hemisphere: 0.0˚C
        SST anomaly World: 0.1˚C

        How modern wo/man became so scared of a tiny fraction of a degree difference in the sea’s temperature – as well as a miniscule difference in a trace gas – never fails to astound and amuse me. Most of us grew up and moved on from our parents’ scary fairy tales…

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    Gazman

    Could it possibly be that irukandji stings in Qld have more to do with the number of people living along the coast than any move southward of irukandji? After all, in 1960 the population was 1.5 million, but in 2010 it was 4.5 million.
    It looks like JCU is living up to its reputation for dodgy science.

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    Craig Thomas

    This article appears to contain an error:
    “It was cooler in 1970 for reasons climate models don’t understand,”
    In reality, current climate models hindcast accurately to 1970.
    (Additionally, the first couple of climate models built in the early 1970s both accurately predicted a 0.6C global increase by 2000, which was pretty clever. Seeing as those models overestimated CO2 concentrations and assumed a sensitivity of 2.4, it is fairly clear that climate sensitivity is above 2.4).

    As far as species range shifts in response to climate change, there is nothing controversial about this. Such range shifts are currently being observed, especially by farmers and rural communities, especially those in the high temperate zones where climate change effects are most acute:
    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/04/climate-change-species-migration-disease/

    Range shifts also occur in domesticated species – farmers change what they cultivate, and where:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-05/farmers-and-businesses-take-action-on-climate-change/9502320

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      Kinky Keith

      The only error is the one you made.

      Have you looked in the mirror lately.

      The photo on your post isn’t you.

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      yarpos

      “In reality, current climate models hindcast accurately to 1970″

      In reality you can reverse engineer almost anything. Surprised that they stopped only 40 years back.

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      RB.

      Callendar made good predictions in 1938. Amazing how he got it almost spot on after Hansen got to the GTA

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    yarpos

    You may scoff Jo but it works! Since installing our solar panels 3 years ago I have not had a single instance of crocodiles or jellyfish. Being at 37 South and 150km inland may have a small influence but I am putting it down to the panels.

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    Justin

    “The chances of limiting climate change appear to be growing slimmer by the day”

    “According to Climate Action Tracker (CAT), the world is not reducing emissions sufficiently to limit warming to below 2 degrees.”

    Excellent news!! Finally, consensus that is futile reducing Australia’s emissions.

    Much better to keep our powder dry, hope for the best, and have an economy that can respond to whatever climate in the future.

    As opposed to a ruinous economy today for no gain!!

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    Justin

    “The chances of limiting climate change appear to be growing slimmer by the day”

    “According to Climate Action Tracker (CAT), the world is not reducing emissions sufficiently to limit warming to below 2 degrees.”

    Excellent news!! Finally, consensus that is futile reducing Australia’s emissions.

    Much better to keep our powder dry, hope for the best, and have an economy that can respond to whatever climate in the future.

    As opposed to a ruinous economy today for no gain!!

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    RB.

    Apologies for not having the link handy but search for Yamba crocodile. One was sighted well south of Noosa in 1939, possibly two.

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      It was never found, though officials did see tracks. They said at the time it was an escapee from a circus.

      Interesting that summer 1938-9 – summer of the Big Heat, Black Friday fires, both among Australia’s greatest natural disasters despite the fact it was a La Nina – was also the driest summer on record for many places on the North Coast of NSW (including Grafton, near Yamba). Reasonable rains eventually came in autumn, but the Clarence River must have been a warm, salty soup that summer.

      Who knows what a croc might do when climate gets freaky? Who knows what a modern journalist would make of it? (Actually, we do know what a modern journalist would make of it.)

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