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    Ted O’Brien.

    Where is everybody? At the cricket?

    With an inch of badly needed rain, we are still getting ridiculously high temperatures here, maybe as anomalous as those in the northern hemisphere.

    That doesn’t take into account latent heat of fusion.

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      robert rosicka

      Not sure where you live Ted but we had plenty of rain on the weekend and temps below 20c here in northeast Victoriastan.

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        Annie

        The temp. here is 10C atm at 0953. The stove is going and I love cooking on it! The weather is due to warm up again for the next few days. My memories of Easter in Australia are generally of the coolness and dampness of the time, whether Easter is early or late!
        We had well over an inch of very welcome rain over the weekend and now I’m daring it to rain again by washing the sheets (I don’t have a tumble dryer…haven’t had one since we left soggy Gloucestershire over 6 years ago).

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      TedM

      The significant anomalies in temperature in the northern hemisphere, have recently been anomalously low.

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        toorightmate

        “anomalously low” doesn’t count.

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        philthegeek

        The significant anomalies in temperature in the northern hemisphere, have recently been anomalously low.

        As long as you ignore the Arctic of course.

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          el gordo

          Phil if you look closely there is a mini bipolar seesaw taking place, the Arctic is getting warmer and Antarctica colder.

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            philthegeek

            the Arctic is getting warmer and Antarctica colder.

            So?? You may have noticed that apart from being at different ends of the planet…there are a number of other subtle differences between the Arctic and Antarctic that affect the local climate. :)

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              el gordo

              Ah yes, but most importantly why is the Arctic so warm in the NH winter?

              It only seems like an anomaly because we have never seen it before, the new technologies have opened our eyes.

              Anyway, the AMOC connects both poles and is a possible trigger for the mini bipolar seesaw.

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                philthegeek

                Ah yes, but most importantly why is the Arctic so warm in the NH winter?

                Because in a warming world the ice is less, less temp diff, jetstream weakening / wobbling. Change in climate doing classic change in weather effects.

                Not rocket science. Goes back to early modeling Sewall 2004.

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                el gordo

                A perfectly reasonable hypothesis but here is the rub, hidden in the conclusion, a genuflect to the klimatariat for future grant money.

                ‘As a reduction in Arctic sea ice has already begun, and is expected to continue as a result of increases in greenhouse gas concentrations, these results highlight the possibility that the amount of available water in western North America could be reduced in the 21st century.’

                A wayward jet stream is a global cooling signal, true or false?

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                Annie

                Hasn’t there been something lately, even today, about US submarines finding they are having difficulties surfacing because of the amount of ice in the Arctic? I just can’t remember where I saw that, didn’t make a note of it.

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                Ian George

                Arctic temps today.
                http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

                When you reach this page check the Arctic temps for 1976.

                It has happened before – especially in the 1920s/30s.
                Amundsen sailed through the NW passage in 1905/6.

                USS Skate surfaced at the North Pole in the 1950s.

                It’s all happened before. During the MWP, the Vikings settled Greenland. What’s this sea ice debate all about?

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                el gordo

                Phil there is a clear trend in Antarctica and all the IPCC models got it wrong.

                http://www.co2science.org/articles/V21/mar/a12.php

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      26mms in my gauge, and Weatherzone is reporting 28.8 mms for Mudgee airport.
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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        yarpos

        clearly needs homogenising and correction, the BOM team will rapel from black helicopters in a minute to make the changes…..is that Ride of the Valkyries I hear in the distance?

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          David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

          The ones that arrived have come disguised as kangaroos – 3, but looking rather lazy.
          Cheers,

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      yarpos

      I wish I was at the cricket, was helping No1 son move house. Rain has been most welcome, everything is looking lush and a tinge of green is coming back to the hills.

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      Greg in NZ

      “ridiculously high temperatures”? It was snowing on Mt Buller in Victoriastan this morning while Thredbo had a wind chill of -17˚C overnight. Guess it’s a balance kind of thing.

      Attention Jo! Now that TC Iris has become ex-TC Iris, the next name on Fiji Met Service’s list is… Jo. You could be even MORE (in)famous than you already are. Then again, SSTs are dropping – not really conducive to cranking-up big, gnarly cyclones – like we used to get in the 70s and 80s. The children these days just don’t know what real humdinger storms are like…

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    I’m in Michigan, USA
    .
    It’s cold today.
    .
    Please send us the global warming
    that has been promised since
    the late 1970s.
    .
    This winter we had the coldest
    three consecutive week period
    since I had moved to
    Michigan in 1977.
    .
    Where is all that global warming ?
    .
    I thought there would be no more snow by now!
    .
    This is extremely disappointing.
    .
    I’m going to sue someone.
    .
    Who should I sue for this?
    .
    My climate change blog:
    Only for people with common sense,
    so leftists must stay away –
    over 15,000 page views so far,
    and climate centerfolds every month
    too. No picture of me, however –
    because I’m no Jo Nova — I look more like
    Rodney Dangerfield !

    http://www.elOnionBloggle.Blogspot.com

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      James

      Same here in Northern NY. Still snow on the ground. We would like some warming as well!

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        yarpos

        My remote temeprature sensor in the US is a Youtube channel called Mustie1. The guy is in New Hampshire and restores small machines, bikes and VWs. He posts every few days , and the depth of snow out the front of his workshop has been impressive of late :-) Like many, he sounds like he is a bit over it at times.

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      PeterS

      You want a trade war over heat? No thanks we need out global warming more than you do :-) As for the global warming alarmists who believe we have a problem I ask the question; what problem?

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      Dennis

      Don’t worry, global warming will be back from the bottom of the ocean as soon as it breaks through the ice.

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      “Who should i sue for this”GravyKnew?

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      RicDre

      Here in Northern Ohio in the US, we are supposed to get a few days of 50 degree Fahrenheit weather this week before it goes back to cold rainy/snowy weather. At least I’ll get a chance to wash the dirt off the car without having to worry about the water freezing on the car before I can dry it off.

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      Analitik

      C’mon guys (and gals). “Global Warming” was so last decade. We’ve moved on to “Climate Change” so ANY bad weather can be blamed on greenhouse gases; not just CO2 but also methane and fluorocarbons.

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    James Poulos

    Bring back The Griss.

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    Graeme No.3

    First thing scanned The Australian on-line for featured articles. The cricket scandal rates first (as you would expect), the proposed superannuation changes of Shorten running neck and neck with the improving approval for Labor, and lastly comment on our useless Prime Minister. Australia is headed for disaster.
    And there was the article on the Chinese debt situation and changes in their economy, including the prediction that the proportion of coal used will be above 60% for the next 20 years. The last shows us the way out of our impending economic collapse. Find an abandoned coal mine, drop our cricket team, Bill Shorten and Malcolm Turnbull into it and seal it. Explain that you are converting them into new “clean” “renewable” coal. It might take 100 million years which is approximately the same time it will take for us to achieve “100% renewables” exposed by the scientifically ignorant, but who would be worried by that.

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      OriginalSteve

      Post of the day …

      I fear that the typical australian lack of understanding how the world really works ( after all we are ignorant as a nation- we keep volunteering for other peoples wars…..) and pur lack of sophistication means people wont buck the mandantory voting system, even though it keep delivering useless leaders time and tine again so the Elite keep the population in a permenant headlock….it will take something cataclysmic to break the hoodoo but i hope it happens or we are literally doomed as a nation….being lead by one political judas sheep after another into the horrific NWO….

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        yarpos

        Imagine the turn out in Oz if voting wasnt compulsory? the first cycle would be laughable, tumbleweeds blowing through polling places …

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        sophocles

        World War III might happen within the next 10 years. Will that help?

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      PeterS

      Don’t forget the Greens. In fact they should be pushed into the mine first. With the likes of them who needs enemies from outside of Australia to destroy our economy and usher in a complete social collapse?

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        Graeme No.3

        And they couldn’t object could they? Well they would as their aim is discomfort and danger for others.

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      Graeme No.3

      Plenty of the comments focussed on the pensions of politicians and public servants which are outside the current superannuation system and are paid from annual revenue. Given that Bill Shorten is probably counting on $240,000 p.a. when he retires (indexed) and that the cost of the Federal public service wages is about $70 billion p.a. and rising rapidly, and their benefits are unfunded, the debt situation being ignored by our ruling class is far worse than generally thought. The only ‘good’ thing that will result after their last frantic efforts to grab everything they can, is that there will be a lot of desperate people in Canberra. And the State public services are in the same position. That prediction by Lee Kwan Yew about us becoming “the poor white trash of Asia” is coming true.

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    Another Ian

    “Twenty-One Bad Things About Wind Energy — and Three Reasons Why”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/25/twenty-one-bad-things-about-wind-energy-and-three-reasons-why/

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      PeterS

      Eventually one day the current huge push for renewable energy will be revealed for what it really is; the biggest financial scam to make a select few very rich.

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      Ian Hill

      Very interesting. Thanks Ian.

      So the wind industry’s equivalent of a wardrobe malfunction is “component liberation” when a blade falls off!

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    Another Ian

    ” Pop Piasa
    March 25, 2018 at 1:21 pm

    Please forgive me for posting this again, but being a limerick it’s seasonal entertainment.

    SUSTAINABLE REALITY

    If you like your energy sustainable,
    You must first make the climate trainable.
    With sun day and night,
    And the wind always right…
    I think it just might be attainable!

    Solar and wind are renewable,
    But only on small scales prove doable
    They can kill birds and bats
    And displace habitats…
    True ecologists find that eschew-able.

    We would, likely, employ keener vision
    Funding hydro and nuclear fission.
    (The molten salt kind,
    For our peace of mind)
    And solar storm-proofed grids of transmission.

    Affordable energy, for the third world poor
    Will unlock that vital, virtual door
    To an affluent life,
    A job and a wife
    With less children than folks raised before.

    So, curtailing overpopulation
    Is not about “limiting nations
    On what they can do
    Which emits CO2”…
    It relies on industrialization!”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/25/twenty-one-bad-things-about-wind-energy-and-three-reasons-why/

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      Another Ian

      ” ristvan
      March 25, 2018 at 1:44 pm

      Sound bite version.
      1.Wind isn’t economicaly competitive or it wouldnt need subsidies everywhere in the world.
      2.Wind is intermittent and nondispatchable, so requires grid backup costs not born by wind.
      3.Wind provides no grid inertia, so increasing penetration destabalizes the grid.”

      Same source

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        Dennis

        However, with government paying out subsidies with taxpayer’s monies and permitting electricity prices to increase artificially to way above what those prices should wind turbines (and solar) are economically competitive for shareholders in those businesses.

        And the governments cooperating are saving the planet by following their instructions from the UN IPCC gravy train passengers.

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          yarpos

          never mind all that, just keep repeating “renewables put downward pressure on prices”. They even say it with a straight face.

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          Graeme No.3

          How did you get a red thumb? I put in 3 inflammatory comments before you and today’s duty troll was obviously asleep. Yet you get red thumbed for a factual statement.

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            Annie

            I do too, for something entirely ordinary and non-disputatious! We just trigger the hate brigade…poor dears ;)

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    Mark M

    Congratulations to Kim Jong-un!

    He is the winner of WWF_Aus Earth Hour 2018 and the chance to experience the beauty of the Reef first-hand.

    Yes.

    He has won a fossil-fuelled trip to the Great Barrier Reef… just by switching off a light!

    https://www.earthhour.org.au/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=paid_social&utm_campaign=earthhour&utm_content=video_comp

    Honourable mention to ex-South Australian premier Jay Weatherall, if only he managed a blackout during Earth hour 2018.

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    Another Ian

    Problems with selfdriving cars flow to bitcoin land

    In comments at

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/03/25/perils-of-gpu-math-for-scientific-computing/

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    Greg Cavanagh

    Well well. I got a junk mail in my work account this morning. It was offering $100 off an early bird registration for a conference somewhere.

    Being not at all interested in a random conference, I started looking through who was there. Mr so-n-so, director of this, master of that; The honerable Mr somebody.

    Then a familiar face popped up. Our very own Jo Nova. “What’s she doing in this list?” I thought to myself. And at the very bottom was the indominable Ian Plimer. “I better figure out what this conference is” I think to myself.

    http://www.alsfc.com.au/

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    Another Ian

    “For comparison An estimated 8 teens die each day in car accidents. At an average school year or 180 school days in session approximately about 640 will die during a school year, making riding in a car 64x more likely to result in death that than being shot while in school.

    just a bit of perspective”

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/03/21/w-o-o-d-20-march-2018/#comment-92382

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    Another Ian

    “How Israel Destroyed Syria’s Nuclear Reactor”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2018/03/how-israel-dest.html

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      Hanrahan

      That was Operation Orchard. The reactor had been supplied by NK and was so far advanced that the Israelis had to send in a ground team first to test the soil and water to see if it was hot, it wasn’t, They wouldn’t have bombed it gad it been so.

      After the attack they offered not to tell if Syria doesn’t, an offer that was accepted. They didn’t want to admit they couldn’t shoot down even one aircraft.

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    crakar24

    LMAO the other day, just befor the SA election Weatherill signed off on Alinta building a 300MW gas plant at Reeves Plains, all very quite and hush hush of course as it run against his renewable public facade.

    Anyway a local in that area wrote a letter in the paper bitchin’ about the lack of consultation, the noise, the aesthetics etc etc etc. Where was this dill when other people where complaining about wind plants being built.

    First they came for the musicians……………………

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      Analitik

      Note that it is a PEAKING plant. Why you may ask? Isn’t the problem in SA the shortage of baseload power?

      Well here is an interesting side effect of “the world’s biggest battery”. Not only does it supply emergency power for a generation shortfall but it also provides frequency support. A good thing right? Consider this, the increase in stability reduces the required synchronous inertia in the system so there is less need for synchronous generators to be online when demand is low.

      This means that when there IS a problem, the battery can provide its 100MW of support BUT less synchronous generation is online to ramp up for when the battery goes flat. This means PEAKING capacity requirements are increased in order to take over when the the battery goes flat. Plus masses don’t see that the peaking plants are 3 times the capacity of the wondrous battery due to the limitations of the technology.

      So batteries aren’t the panacea for South Australia’s predicament.

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    crakar24

    Isreal destroyed Iraqs reactor via an illegal act of war which later turned out to be a milk factory

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      Hanrahan

      A milk factory in the middle of the desert??????

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GfdH9AzAXE

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      MudCrab

      An illegal act of war, huh?

      Probably for the best then. Had it been a LEGAL act of war both nations might have been forced to mobilise.

      Sorry to sound flippant, Crakar, but you need to be careful casually throwing terms around. My understand is that you wished to draw attention to the moral questions related to the air attack, but the use of the term ‘illegal’ is completely misleading and reeks of Globialism. Illegal by which law exactly? There is actually no law against going to war with someone because no one is actually in charge of the entire world.

      What you have instead is the stated understanding that nations shouldn’t go to war unless the UN says so, because, ummm, it’s bad. Effectively this is meant to act as a massive non-aggression treaty and treaties are only as binding for as long as all parties want them to be.

      Australia could, for example, declare war on New Zealand with a few phone calls and no law in the world could stop us. This is despite whatever trade deals, agreements, packs and handshakes we have in place. NONE of these would make the slightest difference if we really wanted to.

      What does restrict nations from randomly invading neighbours are the perceived reactions both internally (ie – will your own people rise up against you in protest) and external (ie will other nations rise up against you) and that most of the time a war is the least cost effective way of getting what you want. War is an extension of politics by other means. (the extension of this is that if you are at war then your ‘other means’ have clearly failed). They can be extremely expensive, extremely unpredictable and extremely hard to successfully stop. By and large they are not a good thing to get into, but, and this is the important thing, there is absolutely ZERO binding laws to stop you from starting one.

      (also, if you really REALLY must cross the Rubicon, don’t pussy foot around. Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit.)

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        Graeme No.3

        Another reason not to invade NZ. In the 70′s a doctor friend of mine from Melbourne was working in Dunedin hospital.
        He said “I wouldn’t like to give you the impression that Dunedin is cold, but there I was dressed with a T-shirt under my shirt, then a jumper under the coat and a long coat over that. Long johns under my trousers and footie socks over the normal ones, and all the nurses in their summer dresses skipped down the main steps and clapped me in.”
        His first patient was a huge bloke wearing shorts and short sleeved shirt, complaining about a sore shoulder which had woken him up when he moved at night. My friend only being 184 cms. tall got the local to sit on a stool so he could examine the shoulder. It turned out to be a broken collar bone. Questioned about its cause the local thought it over then volunteered that he had fallen off a 30foot cliff a week, or so, before. Could that have been enough?
        As my friend noted “there are hundreds of them like that down there. No wonder they keep beating us at rugby”.

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          sophocles

          Most places use tanalised timber for building outdoor structures such as retaining walls, fences etc.

          In New Zealand we use terrorised timber. After it’s been threatened by “Pine Tree” Meads (or a look-alike) it’s too darned scared to rot.

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        crakar24

        Madcrab,

        I suggest you clear your mind of whatever indoctrination currently has possession of it.

        It is illegal under the auspices of the united nations security council to simply bomb another country.

        Good try in the progression of the leftist thought bubble, i give you a 6/10

        cheers

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          Crakar24

          Here is a good example Russia is allowed to conduct military operations in Syria because Syria requested Russian assistance via the UN.

          Any other foreign government operating in Syria are considered as invading Syria militarily.

          I understand these rules are not only confusing for you but also a hindrance but rules they are.

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        Eddie

        International Law is but a collection of treaties
        “If anybody tells you that international law is superior to the Constitution, tell them to tell it to the Founding Fathers.” : ‘Bomber’Bolton, the new US National Security Advisor

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/23/john-bolton-has-talked-about-bombing-north-korea-iran-and-syria/

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          Crakar24

          No constitution in oz ed, we have legislation, no rights just legislation that can be changed by a vote in Parliament

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            Hanrahan

            Are we talking about Israel and Syria Australia and…. who…. Timor?

            You ignore the most important law of all, the Law of Self Survival. Israel can only exist by being one step ahead of it’s enemies. The winners write history and the losers blame everyone else. Hillary????

            Was the Arab invasion in the Yom Kippur War legal? Are the eternal rockets from Palestine into Israel Legal?

            in case you think I carry water for Jews, the USS Liberty was pure bastardry and it isn’t the only time they’ve done the dirty on their [sometimes only] ally.

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            Hanrahan

            Are we talking about Israel and Syria Australia and…. who…. Timor?

            You ignore the most important law of all, the Law of Self Survival. Israel can only exist by being one step ahead of it’s enemies. The winners write history and the losers blame everyone else. Hillary????

            Was the Arab invasion in the Yom Kippur War legal? Are the eternal rockets from Palestine into Israel Legal?

            in case you think I carry water for Jews, the USS Liberty was pure bastardry and it isn’t the only time they’ve done the dirty on their [sometimes only] ally.

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      Sceptical Sam

      And a good thing too.

      Who drinks radio-active milk? Melamine milk is much healthier.

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      me@home

      an illegal act of war which later turned out to be a milk factory

      WOW!

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        Crakar24

        If you have a problem with my comment then you need to explain why otherwise it will be seen for what it is, just another leftist Pratt using sarcasm to avoid debate

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          Hanrahan

          Crakar: Why then have you not responded to my post which debunked your story?

          Give me a google earth reference where I can see these dairy farms. They are quite distinct you know.

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    Dennis

    Anti-coal, anti-gas protest in Sydney, and of course wind and solar will save the planet …

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/anti-coal-protesters-take-to-the-streets-in-sydney

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      OriginalSteve

      Every time I see professional ratbags at work, I keep imagining a large group of ferals with dogs with bits of string for leads, set within a Mad Max landscape….

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    el gordo

    ‘However, rather than accepting that trade is beneficial to all parties concerned, the Trump administration seems to believe that trade is zero-sum competition in which the US should be the only winner.’

    China Daily

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      PeterS

      When a country like the US suffers a $350billion per year trade deficit with China, it is no wonder Trump likes to address the situation and reduce it. It’s only common sense, especially when China always had import “taxes” of various types on imported US goods to protect their cheap exports. Where Trump went wrong is he is trying to make the turnaround to much too fast. As China continues to develop and grow faster than the US the imbalance should be reversed gradually otherwise the US will implode, which I believe will happen in any case mostly for various other reasons of their own making.

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        el gordo

        Free Trade or Protection?

        Donald’s timing is good and no doubt the two super powers will settle this matter amicably.

        The US is moving towards isolationism as China continues its expansion elsewhere, making laissez faire economics redundant.

        America won’t implode, but the Alliance may have past its ‘used by’ date.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Fortunately, and at long last, the USA is responding to the trade war that China started decades ago with its currency manipulation and IP theft.

      Don’t worry about the USA’s economy. It will do just fine.

      But you’d better worry about Australia’s – especially if Bill Shootem gets into power.

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        el gordo

        Bill Shorten is tipped to get in as Turnbull’s poll numbers get worse, we need a palace coup urgently. Failing that, Labor should win the next election comfortably.

        American isolationism is not a bad thing, the enormity of the country means they can become more self sufficient and sustainable, which would bring back the jobs. Australia doesn’t have that luxury, we are primarily a quarry with a strong agricultural base, so we are totally dependent on free trade.

        Beijing is relieved because they now have a free hand in international affairs, with their Belt and Road strategy pushing into the Third World and creating new markets.
        Marx would be amused by this socialism with Chinese characteristics.

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          robert rosicka

          No way a change of leadership would save the libs unless they put Bernardi in the job and got rid of the greens that have infiltrated into the party ,even then I wouldn’t bet on it .

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          yarpos

          why is the answer a new leader? we are getting worse than the Italians. How about some decent policies? Howard was no media darling but managed to carry the country along for quite a while.

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    PeterS

    Perhaps I’m wrong but I’ve come to the conclusion after much thought and study the real reason why Turnbull plotted against and eventually rolled Abbott is because Abbott was a huge impediment to the elitist push by various companies and individuals for renewable energy here in Australia to make them filthy rich. It also explains why Turnbull is not really that concerned if Shorten wins the next election. Turnbull would consider that an even bigger win for himself financially as the push for renewables receives a turbo boost. Perhaps subconsciously that’s what occurring with Turnbull. He just doesn’t have the heart let alone the mind to help the LNP win government. It certainly appeared that way ever since he rolled over Abbott. His lack of interest and enthusiasm is no longer a secret.

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      James

      Have you seen this YouTube discussion with Monckton? Also he predicted Abbots demise and Harpers demise.

      https://youtu.be/Jt6I1R1l6bc

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        PeterS

        Yes I did watch it. Although I do agree as to why it happened (rich to get richer using the greatest scam/hoax of all time) I don’t agree with the main argument as to how it happened. It happened because the people through the polls signaled their great dislike of Abbott, which had given Turnbull the excuse to make his move. As far as I’m concerned the people are mostly at fault, and they still are at fault because they are like zombies walking around clueless as to what’s happening all around them. I don’t actually think Abbott is good leadership material but he was (and still would be) a far better one than Turnbull and Shorten put together. The problem is most people and even his own party don’t see it that way. We will very likely end up with Shorten as the next PM and the only ones to blame are the voters. There are a couple of alternatives (ON and AC) but given the vast majority of the voters are clueless they won’t even think of giving them half a chance. Bend over Australia.

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          Annie

          Which people were polled? How accurate were those polls, really and truly. I would never have voted for Turnbull but I would for Abbott.

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          James

          What reputations do the pollsters have in Australia? In the US polling is difficult, as you have to predict who will show up to vote. Since they have had many failures they have a bad reputation. So now pollsters have a reputation for over representing Democrats and under representing Republicans, and the joke here is they are being used to drive public opinion, that the gauge public opinion.

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      Hat Rack

      “His lack of interest and enthusiasm is no longer a secret”.

      Neither is his lack of ability!

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      Serp

      Our beloved Windbag will be in his counting house conferring with hedgies and attending to other preparations for his impending well-earned retirement from public service.

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    Dennis

    Is Earth Hour a radio broadcast for Earthians lost in space?

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    Graeme No.3

    Short of money? Here’s an opportunity. Mt. Etna in Sicily emits approx. 700 kg. of GOLD every year, that is about $A28 million.
    All you have to do is extract it.
    Perhaps we could put our climatologists onto that extraction; after all they have been able to extract money from sludge.

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    PeterS

    Flat earther decides to find out if it is so by launching himself in a rocket. Needless to say he failed to prove anything apart from the fact he is a fool.
    ‘Mad’ Mike Hughes, has launched himself into the California desert sky.

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    Hanrahan

    What do people think of Trump’s omnibus bill?

    There has been strident opposition, notably from Ann Coulter and Alex Jones but he has support from two others, Thomas Payne and Jerome Corsi, who makes the point that it wasn’t a budget bill so Trump has a lot of discretion on whether he actually spends the money or not.

    I have no idea if Corsi is right so I will just wait and see.

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    TdeF

    The attacks on Trump continue unashamedly

    After eight years of Obama/Clinton and eight years of the other Clinton doing absolutely nothing about gun control, Trump is being blamed by Hollywood for every gun attack in the US. Anything to attack Trump.

    On Facebook, the real scandal was the downloading of ALL facebook data during the Obama campaign, aided happily by Obama’s great friend Zuckerberg. That data lives forever. That is the scandal. All the details and connections of 2 Billion people in Democrat hands
    forever. Now the segue by the media to on Cambridge Analytica as having data from a mere 50 million people (2.2%) and allege that this allowed him to win the election? Again Obama is faultless. The problem is Trump.

    At least blaming Facebook for Trump’s election is a change from blaming Putin.

    Then Trump signed the gigantic $1.5Tn committee prepared Omnibus bill, refusing to do what Schumer did happily, shut down the government. However Trump is not the government. This was the work of Congress and the committees and Paul Ryan and friends, many of them never Trumpers. Trump has suggested he needs line vetoes as he is given an all or nothing choice. So Schumer gets his private tunnel and Trump does not get his wall. All thanks to the Republicans on the committee.

    Deep State and Hollywood will never cease to attack Trump. Now how can they tie gun control and Trump’s newer wall to Climate Change and the Paris Accord. After all, blaming Putin has clearly failed.

    Now it is Climate Change, failure to fix what the Democrats never attempted to fix in gun control and winding up the world over evil Putin when it is China making the open threats, appointing a President for Life, expanding their territory and political influence and talking of a bloody war to come. Nothing is said. Offending the Chinese is not acceptable but Putin and Trump are the targets.

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      yarpos

      I am amazed at the way the media hooks into Trump over shootings. Its almost as if Sandy Hook never happened smack in the middle of Dem majorities and an 8 year Obama presidency. Apart from cocodile tears and thoughts and prayers platitudes, what happened? zero, which was the hallmark of the Obama presidency outside of firing up identity politics.

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    RickWill

    I have been refining my ocean thermal balance model. This model considers the thermal inertia of the top 2000m of the oceans. The radiant heat transfer is based on 4th power of surface temperature. It has a single emissivity factor and the emissivity changes with a log function of CO2 concentration. I have taken 1850 as being in thermal equilibrium and is the starting point. The CO2 is measured value from 1850 to present then it follows various scenarios. The measured ocean temperature is the NOAA data 0-2000m from 1955 to present.

    The model automatically aligns the 2017 measured and modelled temperatures then the single emissivity factor is adjusted to minimise the squared error between measured and modelled temperatures.

    The first scenario is based on CO2 rising at current rate of 2.6ppm/yr till doubling from pre-industrial value and plotted here:
    https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNgnXLo5LnjuHhohGM
    The temperature rise when the CO2 reaches 570ppm is 0.48C and eventually stabilises at 0.8C rise.

    The second scenario is based on CO2 rise at present rate till it triples:
    https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNgndJfO2SWEmL3C2o
    Here the temperature rise when CO2 is double is as before but the rise continues to 1.3C.

    The third scenario is based on CO2 rising at 4ppm from present till it gets to 5 times the pre-industrial level:
    https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNgnZ_eYO8tDv9Ufro
    The temperature rise when CO2 is double is 0.4C and it stabilises around 1.9C rise around 2350.

    This model has a single tuning parameter for the emissivity. It gives a surprisingly good fit with the measured temperature.

    With the worst case CO2 forcing the thermal imbalance reaches a maximum of 1.8W. That corresponds to 0.56PW across the entire ocean surface so is well inside the ability of the thermohaline current to distribute into the deep ocean. Hence I do not understand how coupled climate models can possibly show the rate of temperature rise that they indicate. Fundamentally small thermal imbalance is not going to have fast response when dealing with 2000m of water.

    I expect that by 2030 it will be evident if the measured temperature continues its present trajectory or if it levels off or even turns down. Of course iIf the latter happens it would mean there is zero credibility in the CO2 forcing theory. On the other hand if the 0-2000m ocean temperature continues to rise on present trajectory till 2030 then that would give more credibility to the CO2 forcing theory. However there does not appear to be any great urgency. In fact there is some chance that supply of fossil fuels will limit the rise beyond any level that would cause temperature rise of concern.

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      TdeF

      Warming caused by a CO2 increase? What do you think of CO2 increase caused by warming? After all, that is the nature of the greatest reservoir of CO2 on this planet and Henry’s law says that a warmer ocean means more CO2. The total amount of CO2 in the water is 50x that in the air and the concentration at the surface reflects this.

      Also the question is not whether CO2 can warm or does warm the planet but rather whether the steady CO2 increase is man made. This is demonstrably not true. Under 2% of CO2 is released by man and that vanishes into the oceans . A log graph of the C14 curve after the doubling of C14 in 1965 shows a dead straight line. log(e-kt). Half life 14 years.

      The problem is that by modelling only the atmosphere, you can miss the point that the oceans and water in general have the greatest influence on all aspects of our weather, after the sun itself. I would suggest that correlating CO2 with anything which itself changes CO2 would lead to false conclusions. It can confuse cause and effect.

      The simple Physical Chemistry is that warming the oceans releases CO2. Warm beer goes flat quickly.

      Then waves, wind, storms recharge the otherwise stagnant oceans with air. The oceans are full of O2, CO2, everything. Fish breathe and the exchange is massive and rapid, or they would drown. Correlations are not causation. Modelling the atmosphere alone is missing 98% of the story.

      “Fundamentally small thermal imbalance is not going to have fast response when dealing with 2000m of water.” Yes, but the water/air surface is the point where Henry’s law applies, the balance between CO2 in the water and CO2 in the air. Warmer ocean surfaces are the basis of all hurricanes, cyclones, tempests, tropical storms, synonyms for what happens when you get massive evaporation. Most of our weather is the result of small thermal imbalances and water. CO2 does not come into it. The great thing about storms is that they recharge the oceans with air.

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        RickWill

        The model is primarily the 0-2000m of ocean. That provides the high thermal inertia. The only factor that changes with regard to the space between the heat source (sun) and heat absorber (water) is the emissivity and that changes from the initial value at thermal equilibrium by a small factor that is a log function of CO2.

        The 0-2000m ocean temperature data suggests the CO2 rise is leading the ocean temperature rise and is a good fit when the large thermal inertia is taken into account. Alternatively it could be that increased surface heat input causes the rise in CO2 as well as the delayed rise in 0-2000m temperature.

        As stated, there would need to be levelling or reduction in the rise of 0-2000m ocean temperature to dispel the CO2 forcing theory. If the temperature anomaly exceeds 0.2C by 2030 then the theory has increasing credibility particularly given that solar activity has declined since the peak in the 1990s. Forecaster who determine solar activity has a large bearing on the thermal imbalance are predicting cooling in the early 2020s. So that should be apparent in the near future.

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          TdeF

          I see a great difficulty in measuring CO2 in the ocean when the rise in CO2 in the air is only 50% of 2% or 1% of total gaseous CO2. That’s needle in a haystack time. The same problem with measuring changes in O2 levels. CO2 is a very marginalized gas. Why isn’t there more CH4 methane in the air? All big animals produce it. Especially humans and big herbivores. Giraffe farts. Hard to light.

          What keeps O2 levels up and CO2 levels down? Combustion and respiration long term would produce the reverse.
          I can only see the force as being long term biologic, which is why the early inhabitants of earth learned to capture energy by hydrating CO2.

          We later creatures live on the discarded O2 and the hydrated carbonhydrates turned into plant matter. The mass of early opportunists phytoplankton and the later trees and grasses keep eating all the CO2. Half of our O2 comes from the oceans.

          To create our world, everything we do involves burning and generation of CO2. Breathing. Smelting metals, lead to aluminum to iron and of course burning old plants to release their energy. Making concete. What is really odd is that the world still has so much O2 and so little CO2 in the air. A CO2 atmosphere would would seem much more likely. The other reason aerial CO2 is down is that it is highly polar and therefore compressible, so most has liquified and sunk to the bottom of the ocean, unlike O2 and N2.

          So our every existence tells us that CO2 is not the problem. CO2 has clearly been much higher. All that coal and oil are evidence of a vastly higher CO2 level and a massively green and populated world. We are still finding the giant skeletons. Life was at a peak for 150 million years. That was a hotter, greener, more populated world of enormous variety.

          The problem recently has been the very low level of CO2, without which all life would die. CO2 under 0.02% means devastation. Trust the Greens to hate carbon and carbon dioxide. Even the colour Green in nature is a long chain hydrocarbon.

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            not much faith in scientific instrumentation. I could spike pure water (now there’s an oxymoron) with 1 part per million of just about any water soluable chemical and it there would be a method and instrument that could not only detect it but also tell me how many parts per million, billion or trillion it contains.

            Stating that because there is not much to detect we can’t detect it is revealing your ignorance of chemical analysis technology.

            And then there is your relevance seeking comment about [CO2] during the carboniferous period. The earth was different then, the biota was different, the sun was different, basically no variables are held constant in your comparison. This reveals your ignorance of how science works.

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            Annie

            Did you ever try lighting a giraffe’s output of gas TdeF? The mind boggles at the idea but finds it very funny too!

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            RickWill

            I am not making any point on the good or evil of CO2. I know it is the basis of most life on earth and I know 280ppm or lower makes life difficult for some plant species.

            My key point is that a simple thermal model like this gives a good fit to measured data and modelled output for rising CO2 reducing emissivity.

            This link has the same basic model with the CO2 dependent emissivity replaced with sunspot dependent emissivity. I could not achieve a least squared fit because it takes the thermal dependency to zero so I achieved a fit for zero error.
            https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNgniSxAGfk6xFTfkM
            I tried different time lags. The lag in the chart shown is 22 years. If there is no lag the fit is much worse because sunspot activity has been declining for almost two cycles now.

            It is reasonably obvious that the shapes of the two temperature curves using sunspot dependency do not fit as well as the CO2 emissivity dependent version in the previous links.

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          Another Ian

          Re simple models

          “How Not To Model The Historical Temperature”

          https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/24/how-not-to-model-the-historical-temperature/

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            RickWill

            I only use a single factor so there is no curve fitting beyond minimising the error. The shape of the curve is a result of the model, which is entirely analytical based on basic physics and known constants. I get good fit using CO2 and poor fit using sunspot. This suggests that CO2 affecting the emissivity is plausible and sunspot is not. Of course it could be some other factor that is causing the CO2 to rise as well as the ocean temperature to rise.

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    Mark M

    If only they had a carbon (sic) tax …

    Archaeologists Glance Into Fox Burrow in Iraq, Find 4,000-year-old Sumerian Port

    “Finding a port town at Abu Tbeirah might seem incongruous, given that today the site sits in the midst of an arid plain, with the sea lying about 200 kilometers to the southeast.”

    “The reason for the abandonment may be connected to the Akkadian collapse, and to a shift in climate that occurred largely at the same time and is known to scholars as the “4.2 kiloyear event.”

    This was a prolonged period of extreme drought that struck around 4,200 years ago and that some scholars see as a major factor in the fall of some early civilizations, including the Akkadians and Egypt’s Old Kingdom, which had built the pyramids just a few centuries earlier.

    Analyses of fossilized pollen have shown that the drought hit an area ranging from the Mediterranean to northern Mesopotamia.”

    https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/MAGAZINE-archaeologists-peek-into-fox-burrow-find-4-000-year-old-sumerian-port-1.5936818

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    Reed Coray

    On March 10, 2018 the United States National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine posted the following message:

    Statement by NAS, NAE, and NAM Presidents on Effort to Counter Online Misinformation

    We are pleased to announce that the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine are exploring ways to mobilize our expertise to counter misinformation on the web related to science, engineering, and health. Part of the mission of the National Academies has always been to help ensure that public discourse is informed by the best available evidence. To that end, we are convening Academy members to discuss ways by which we could help verify the integrity and accuracy of content in these fields in a manner that is consistent with our standards for objective, trustworthy, evidence-based information; this exploratory phase will be supported by a grant from Google. We are excited to pursue an effort that aligns with our fundamental principles and that we believe is critically important at a time when misinformation is a threat to sound decision-making and an informed citizenry.

    [See http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=3202018&_ga=2.231411551.1187801799.1521532646-1183654223.1502808575 ]

    I decided to help them in their quest to counter misinformation on the internet. I sent them the following email.

    Ladies and Gentlemen of the NAS,

    I humbly suggest one of the ever present online misinformation statements is: “CO2 is a heat trapping gas.” In one form or another, this statement is all over the internet. The statement is used in part to convince the general public that mankind’s dispersal of CO2 gas into the earth’s atmosphere is causing global warming. Mankind’s dispersal of CO2 into the atmosphere may in fact increase earth surface temperature; but it’s not because CO2 gas traps heat. As any physicist worth his salt knows: “heat cannot be trapped.” There is no known substance that if placed between two objects at different temperatures will by itself prevent some of the high-temperature object’s thermal energy from moving to the low-temperature object. Since the space surrounding the earth is at a much lower temperature than the earth’s surface, no material, and this includes CO2 gas, will prevent the earth’s thermal energy from escaping to space. The connotation of the word “trap” is to “prevent from escaping.” Since atmospheric CO2 won’t and can’t prevent the earth’s thermal energy from escaping to space, to claim atmospheric CO2 gas traps heat is at best misinformation, and at worst an out right lie. Therefore, anyone making the online claim that CO2 can “trap” heat is promulgating misinformation; and if the NAS is serious about doing something about online misinformation, you’ll either demand (1) that online statements to the effect that CO2 gas traps heat be removed, or (2) you’ll formally announce via a press release similar to the one referenced above that “CO2 gas does NOT trap heat, and all global warming arguments based on the claim that CO2 gas traps heat do not reflect the official position of the NAS.”

    Attached is an interchange of ideas (my initial comment, the blog author’s response to my comment, and my response to the blog author’s response) I made to a 30 January 2015 post on the blog “The logic of science” entitled: “Basics of Global Climate Change: A Logical Proof That it is Our Fault.” [see https://thelogicofscience.com/2015/01/30/basics-of-global-climate-change-a-logical-proof-that-it-is-our-fault/ ] Therefore, as either a stand-alone statement or the basis for the claim that CO2 is causing global warming, the statement obviously qualifies as “misinformation.” I’m sure you will address this egregious example of online misinformation; but I won’t hold my breath waiting for your correction.

    I am open to a response from the NAS that shows me that the blog author’s physics is correct and my physics is wrong.

    Sincerely,
    Reed S. Coray

    Anyone want to bet that their response is anything but chirping crickets?

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      Eddie

      “… we are convening Academy members to discuss ways by which we could help verify the integrity and accuracy of content in these fields in a manner that is consistent with our standards for objective, trustworthy, evidence-based information; this exploratory phase will be supported by a grant from Google. We are excited to pursue an effort that aligns with our fundamental principles…”

      National Academy of Truth, a bringing together of rent seekers to do Google’s bidding.

       

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        Ava

        Wouldn’t that be Ministry of Truths, in that there be many truths and this would be Google’s.
        Doesn’t the best way to protect the innocent from untruths lie in education, a classical education that teaches them to think for themselves & thereby protect themselves from the many untruths, including from appeals to authority such as this?

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    TedM

    SA importing almost one third of it’s power at the moment.

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      Hanrahan

      Their problem is that when the wind is blowing, as it was y’day, the price for their exports is low about half what is today when they are importing.

      All watts are not born equal.

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      Annie

      A pity they can’t be isolated and made to live with the results of their stupidity. That the Andrews mob are trying to do the same here is very depressing.

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        OriginalSteve

        You mean Comrade Gloroius Leader Andrews?

        My rather wealthy and self-made great Aunt in country victoria has very unkind things to say about the Victim-toriastan states “leader”. The final straw was when he unionized the CFA.

        After that, the gloves are off….. he has zero chance of being re-elected and the bulk of the citizenry have woken up to what they have …. his green workers cap with what may be a hammer and cycle on it, and all…..

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          yarpos

          You really think so? I doubt most people care that much about CFA/MFB/Union politics as long as fires get put out, especially a ways out from an election. Still I guess its another straw on the camel for some, there have been so many caught with their hands in the cookie jar now its seems difficult to see how people can vote for them.

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      yarpos

      Does it matter? its a commercial choice not a necessity now they have enough generators on the ground over there.

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    toorightmate

    The Australian cricket team must have trained at the BoM.
    That’s where you learn how to cheat – regardless of the outcomes or the consequences.

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      Hanrahan

      The Senate is set to debate Australian cricket’s ball-tampering saga, as politicians weigh in on the scandal engulfing under-fire captain Steve Smith.

      One Nation’s Brian Burston proposed Monday’s urgency motion, which is “the need to understand why some politicians and professional sportsmen feel the need to cheat”.

      Tell me I’m dreamin’.

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    pat

    why can’t CAGW sceptics and others – who simply don’t believe moving away from fossil fuels is a smart or economically viable idea – push back against these moves?

    Shell faces shareholder push on climate change goals
    Financial Times-11 hours ago
    Activist shareholders in Royal Dutch Shell are preparing a renewed push for the company to adopt more ambitious goals for tackling climate change. Shell is expected to face a shareholder resolution calling at its annual meeting in May for a radical shift away from fossil fuels, highlighting mounting pressure on the world’s largest oil and gas companies over their contributions to global warming. The Anglo-Dutch group has gone further than most peers by announcing an “ambition” last November to reduce its carbon footprint by 50 per cent by 2050…

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    pat

    MSM encouraging law-breaking…again:

    26 Mar: Canberra Times: Everyday heroes compelled to break the law when government fails to protect us
    by Julian Burnside
    What does it say about the state of our democracy when it falls upon everyday people to stop a billionaire building the largest coal mine in the southern hemisphere?

    And what does it say about our politicians that they will let Adani’s mine proceed when the vast majority of Australians don’t want it, and scientists are urging us to keep coal in the ground to avoid more dangerous climate change?

    This month, nine people – many of them first-time offenders – were collectively fined more than $70,000 for their efforts in January to keep Adani’s coal in the ground.
    They were each fined $8000 for their peaceful action at the Abbot Point coal terminal. These are extraordinarily high fines for civil disobedience actions…

    As Martin Luther King said: “​One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law​.”…

    The suffragette movement in the early 20th Century involved women breaking the law to draw attention to an obvious injustice: that women were not allowed to vote…

    The impact of climate change is apparent across the world. We see it in the worst droughts in history; and we see it as our Pacific neighbours fight to protect cultural land from sea level rise. And half the corals in the Great Barrier Reef are dead…

    When we look back on this period of our history, these are the people to whom we will give thanks for having the courage to fight for justice, even when that required them to break the law.
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/everyday-heroes-compelled-to-break-the-law-when-government-fails-to-protect-us-20180325-p4z64n.html

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    pat

    VIDEO: 1min46secs: 25 Mar: The Blaze: BUSTED: Scientists caught fudging climate change data
    In today’s “The News and Why it Matters,” host Sara Gonzales,Glenn Beck, Pat Gray, Doc Thompson and Stu Burgiere discuss the former federal climatologist, John Bates, who blew the whistle on NOAA, i.e. the National Oceanic and Atmosphere Association for tampering with data to support their global warming agenda.

    Watch the clip above to learn more…
    https://www.theblaze.com/video/busted-scientists-caught-fudging-climate-change-data

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    Lance

    Not All Megawatts are equal.

    “Projections, based on average costs, that suggest we can transition to renewables at reasonable costs are worthless if they do not address the many ways in which MWs are not equal.”

    https://judithcurry.com/2014/12/11/all-megawatts-are-not-equal/

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      Lance makes a very good point here:

      …..are worthless if they do not address the many ways in which MWs are not equal

      So, let me show you why that point is such a good one. It’s based on the way people ….. see things, when all they ever see quoted at them are the dollars involved.

      The new CSP plant proposed for South Australia will cost $650 Million.

      A new HELE USC coal fired power plant would cost around $3.5 Billion.

      Can you see how solar power is infinitely cheaper than coal fired.

      Why, you could construct SIX new CSP plants for the same cost as just that one coal fired power plant.

      So, for the solar plant, we have this:

      125 X 24 X 365.25 X 0.39 X 25 X 6 (where 125 is Nameplate in MW, 24 hours in a day, 365.25 days in a year, and 0.39 is the CF, (Capacity Factor) 25 is the lifespan in years, and 6 plants for the same cost) The result is:

      64,102GWH

      For the ONE HELE USC coal fired power plant, we have this:

      2000 X 24 X 365.25 X 0.875 X 50. The result is:

      767,000GWH

      So, 64,000GWH versus 767,000GWH

      MegaWatts are definitely NOT equal!

      Tony.

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    Lance

    Dr. Thomas Sowell is a true gem IMHO.

    Quotes:

    Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help people who break them.

    The most basic question is not What is best, but Who shall decide what is best.

    The real minimum wage is zero.

    Elections should be held on the day after we pay our income taxes. That is one of the few things that might discourage politicians from being big spenders.

    Anything succeeds or fails by irrelevant standards.

    QED

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    Mark M

    Wait. What?
    Humans can adapt to cold & hot?

    Germany was covered by glaciers 450,000 years ago

    The new data will also enable scientists to look further into questions regarding the ways humans adapted and reacted to the climatic shifts between cold glacials and warm interglacials during the Middle Pleistocene between roughly 450.000 to 150.000 years ago.

    https://phys.org/news/2018-03-germany-glaciers-years.html

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    Analitik

    Does the weekend start on Monday in WA?

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      yarpos

      A significant member of the “Not a Justin Fan” club.

      Must make him flinch, given the exposure Peterson gets these days.

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    pat

    25 Mar: Breitbart: 5 Ways the Remain Camp Cheated During Brexit…. And Still Lost!
    by Raheem Kassam
    4. The European Union Funded Remain Groups to the Tune of €160 Million
    Pro-Remain groups which “made referendum interventions have received €160 million from the [European] Commission in the last nine years” according to a report from 2016.

    The groups, including the International Monetary Fund, the National Farmers Union, Standard & Poors, the National Union of Students, and a number of Britain’s trades unions, received tens of millions of euros from Brussels, some of which bled into the referendum campaign…

    LIST includes ***Friends of the Earth – 17million-plus Euros
    There has been little to no scrutiny over this massive amount of cash either before, during, nor after the Brexit referendum…
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03/25/5-ways-brexit-remain-camp-cheated-still-lost/

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    pat

    another celebtivist – term courtesy of chairman of Lightsource Renewable Energy, Vicente Lopez Ibor Mayor, who wrote at Reuters that more of them should speak up for CAGW – willing to alienate a large proportion of his fans:

    25 Mar: Breitbart: Neil Young Goes After ‘Lowlife’ Trump: ‘He’s Got to Go… I Don’t Care How It Happens’
    by Ben Kew
    Young added that his “biggest problem” was with Trump is his environmental policies, which include reducing fossil fuel regulation and pulling the United States out of the Paris Climate Agreement.

    “[The environment] is my biggest problem with Trump,” the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer said. “None of this other sh*t matters as much. He is an animal. He’s got to go. But you know, the system will take care of him. What a lowlife. No respect for that guy.”

    “Every day when I look at the news, I’m hoping somehow he’s gone,” Young continued. “That’s the story I’m looking for. I don’t care how it happens. I wouldn’t wish any ill on anybody, but I’d just like to see him out of that office.”…
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/03/25/neil-young-goes-after-lowlife-trump-hes-got-to-go-i-dont-care-how-it-happens/

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    pat

    more proof it makes no sense to indulge the CAGW zealots. no matter what you do…it will never be enough for them or, “ambitious” enough, as the new meme goes:

    25 Mar: HeraldScotland: Blow to Scottish Government as experts quit advisory group on climate change
    ENVIRONMENTAL experts have quit a group set up to oversee ministers’ strategy for tackling air pollution, citing frustration and deep disappointment over a lack of progress.
    In a major blow to the First Minister, experts advising Nicola Sturgeon on how to reduce pollution in Scotland have quit her clean air strategy team.

    Scottish Environment Link, which represents more than 35 environmental groups, has withdrawn its two advisers, accusing the Scottish government of lacking ambition and condemning people to early death and ill health from toxic fumes for years to come.

    It cited its disappointment and frustration around the Cleaner Air for Scotland Governance Group’s (CAFSGG) lack of progress in tackling unsafe levels of air pollution, and poor input into Glasgow’s draft Low Emission Zone plans as key reasons.
    Scottish Environment Link members resigned from the Cleaner Air for Scotland Governance Group (CAFSGG) after raising concerns around “commitment, ambition and urgency” and following “poor input” into plans for Scotland’s first low emission zone (LEZ) in Glasgow.

    ***Friends of the Earth Scotland campaigner, Emilia Hanna, and Professor James Curran represented Link – the forum which brings together environmental organisations – on the governance group.
    In their resignation letter, they said: “We want Scotland’s air quality to be legally compliant as soon as possible, in line with Scotland’s obligations under European law and in line with the continued urgent and pressing need to stop preventable early death and ill-health for exposed populations.
    “It is clear to us that continuing to be represented on the CAFSGG is no longer an effective route for us to pursue that aim.”…
    Campaigners said the plans were not ambitious enough…

    Professor James Curran said: “We had no alternative but to resign. For two years we made every effort to inject ambition and urgency into the creation of the first LEZ. In the end we’re deeply disappointed…
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16115174.Blow_to_Scottish_Government_as_experts_quit_advisory_group_on_climate_change/

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      pat

      as HeraldScotland doesn’t say who Professor James Curran is, here’s a taste:

      23 Apr 2016: Scotsman: Ilona Amos: Earth has reached ‘peak carbon’, warns Scots climate expert
      Professor James Curran, former chief executive of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency (Sepa), says analysis of global atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases suggest the planet’s ability to absorb ever-increasing emissions may have reached “peak carbon”. If action is not taken to reverse the trend, he fears that damage to the environment could see carbon sinks turn into large-scale emitters in the next 30 or 40 years.
      “I used to get criticised for scaring people about climate change, but I think there is a time and a place for that and a time for reassuring them that things can be done,” said Curran.

      “One of the things I really wanted to do when I retired from Sepa was find out if you could detect this decline in the ability of the earth to soak up carbon dioxide. And sure enough, it turns out you can,” he said. “By doing this study in 2016, when the peak occurred about ten years ago, I found there is just enough data to show that it’s very likely there has been a peak in the earth’s ability to soak up carbon dioxide and now it’s in decline.”The scale of this reduction in capacity can be equated to adding another emitter on the scale of China into the global inventory, he says. “We need to redouble our efforts as a global community to reduce carbon emissions as rapidly as possible.”

      Failure to limit global warming will lead to mass extinctions, ocean acidification, melting ice caps, sea level rises and extreme weather – phenomena many countries are already getting a taste of. Last year was the hottest on record globally, measuring 0.9C above the 20th-century average. And last month has just surpassed February’s briefly held record to become the warmest March ever, soaring 1.07C above the 100-year average for a calendar month.The new report, co-authored with son Dr Sam Curran, appears in this month’s edition of the Royal Meteorological Society journal Weather.
      https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/earth-has-reached-peak-carbon-warns-scots-climate-expert-1-4108782

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        yarpos

        I love it! alarm, drama, its worse than we thought, tipping point apocalypse all in one announcement. A burger with the lot.

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    pat

    25 Mar: Indian Express: Sowmiya Ashok: Notes from a Nepal Village: How Rajahar farmers are adapting to climate change
    Rajahar, like villages in Bihar and Haryana, was selected as a “climate-smart village”, from amongst several other contenders in this drought-prone belt of the western development region in Nepal.
    (The reporter visited Nepal on the invitation of the CGIAR Research Programme on Climate Change, Agriculture and Food Security)

    (Nand Prasad Subedi’s) field, like everyone else’s in his village of Kuleni Rajahar, used to turn yellow in winter with rows of mustard that require minimal water to grow. But with the extra water that gets pumped from under the ground, Subedi has switched to growing vegetables — a more lucrative crop…

    It is an unusually warm December day. In previous years, Subedi, 67, would have thrown on extra layers to protect himself from fog. But the heat is noticeable this winter. Rajahar, like villages in Bihar and Haryana, was selected as a “climate-smart village”, from amongst several other contenders in this drought-prone belt of the western development region in Nepal. Once a river flowed through the village. Now farmers rely on pumping groundwater using sleek but very expensive solar panels.

    The millions of Nepali rupees that it took to install one of the solar panels came partly funded — 15 per cent from the community and 85 per cent from the Arizona State University…

    Yet, Rajahar has an absent demographic: young men who have migrated to the Gulf states, looking for work to raise modern cities far from the fields they grew up on. Navaraj, who has returned to Nepal after a being a security guard at the Dubai International Airport for over a decade, says it is not the sun but remittances that keep this “climate smart” village afloat…READ ON
    http://indianexpress.com/article/express-sunday-eye/climate-change-drought-agrarian-crisis-solar-power-notes-from-a-nepal-village-5109162/

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    pat

    Dr. Knott knows a thing or two:

    25 Mar: The Advocate (Fairfax): Tathra bushfire ‘The New Normal’ | OUR FUTURE
    by Dr Matthew Knott
    (Dr Matthew Nott is an orthopaedic surgeon and president of the Clean Energy for Eternity Group)
    Last week’s fire in Tathra was not your ‘normal’ Australian bushfire…
    This type of fire is the new normal. Climate change has been supercharging bushfires for the past 40 years, producing longer, more ferocious fire seasons. This is bad news for all of Australia. As our greenhouse gas pollution levels soar, climate change is driving more severe extreme weather events. Heatwaves are earlier and more frequent, and cool season rainfall is dropping off, stretching firefighting resources, risking lives and presenting challenges for agriculture.

    The threat is a ticking time bomb we can’t ignore. More dangerous bushfires means higher risk for regional communities like Tathra, communities which are now on the front line of climate change. It means our firefighters are under more pressure and our health professionals, including myself, are pushed to the brink to accommodate the inevitable illness surrounding fires, from smoke inhalation to injuries and casualties.

    There’s no denying climate change has changed Australia’s bushfires – the science supports this and I’ve witnessed it first hand. We have the solutions to tackle climate change such as clean, affordable and reliable renewables and battery storage. These options are not only available now, but available to slash our skyrocketing pollution levels. So why are we still risking it? …
    http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/5303893/destructive-bushfire-in-tathra-the-new-normal/

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      OriginalSteve

      I shake my head…..

      DO MORE BACKBURNING !!!! Problem solved.

      Ignore any greenies, just do adult-like repsonsible behaviour and do regular backburning and we wont have a massive fuel load that allows monster fires to occur.

      Easy.

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      pat

      correct spelling seems to be “Nott”, though both appear in The Advocate piece.

      2011: ABC South East NSW: Heaven and Earth – Fact or Fiction?
      By Bill Brown
      The first interview is with Dr Matthew Nott, a local Orthopaedic Surgeon, a former Bega Valley Citizen of the Year, and the founder of Clean Energy for Eternity, an environmental group based in South East NSW.
      Dr Nott outlines that he was initially impressed by the book and its convincing argument that, if true, would mean that he need entirely re-consider his position on climate change and actions that should be taken.

      However he raises concerns about the reliability of the method used by Professor Plimer, and points to some specific examples which he says raise fundamental questions about the credibility of Professor Plimer’s views on climate change…CHECK THE REST
      http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2009/07/05/2617188.htm

      2008: ABC South East NSW: Matthew Nott opens new renewable energy system at Jindabyne Surf Club
      By Bill Brown
      Then on New Years Day, 2006, Matthew Nott, a member of the Tathra Surf Club and a local orthopaedic surgeon, was on surf patrol at Tathra. His wife had bought him Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” for Christmas, a gift he now says his wife may never forgive herself.
      Much was to follow from this gift, including the building of an environmentally sustainable surf club by a lake in the Snowy Mountains…
      “I was expecting it to be a very quiet morning being New Year’s Day,” said Matthew Nott, “and I got up to about page five and then this hot westerly wind hit Tathra, and it was the hottest temperature I’ve ever experienced I think. It got up to 42 degrees at the surf club, which was the hottest temperature by four degrees ever recorded there. And someone in Tathra recorded 47 degrees. Now that might have had absolutely nothing to do with climate change, but it was a bad day to start reading “The Weather Makers”.”

      Matthew finished the book and immediately was inspired to do something about climate change. His wife advised he do more than just read one book about it, so he spent months researching everything he could find about climate change: the science from all sides, and the politics from all sides…
      http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2008/05/08/2239141.htm

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      yarpos

      He is certainly the master of emotive BS isnt he?

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      Sceptical Sam

      These options are not only available now, but available to slash our skyrocketing pollution levels. Dr Matthew Knott

      There is no lie too bold that the green fools won’t utter.

      Yet here’s the evidence that puts the lie to the silly doctor’s assertion.

      NSW air quality in 2017 continued to be generally good by international standards, although there was a small increase in the number of days above national standards compared with 2016.

      http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/research-and-publications/publications-search/new-south-wales-air-quality-statement-2017

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      Pat

      An illustration of a common problem

      Hopefully a professional in his professional paddock

      A rank amateur outside it by the looks of that

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    OriginalSteve

    A little light reading….bad pun…sorry….the best nonsense line was this :

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-26/how-light-pollution-is-damaging-our-world/9464026

    “Kellie Pendoley is an environmental scientist who has published research on how light pollution is affecting the sea turtle population in Western Australia.

    “Artificial light is very attractive to baby turtles as they emerge from their nest in the sand,” she said.

    She says hatchlings use the illuminated horizon to find the ocean and any artificial light behind the beach can cause confusion.

    “They’ll crawl towards that instead of to the ocean. So, they either don’t make it to the ocean and die, or it takes them longer to get there.”

    Research published by La Trobe University in Melbourne found that light pollution was causing some wallabies to delay giving birth by a month, putting them out of sync with the food resources they need, and putting their joeys at risk.”

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      Hanrahan

      Any responsible council is careful with street lighting near turtle hatcheries. The hatchlings are attracted to starlight reflecting off the ocean.

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    Ian1946

    According to the AEMO dashboard Bass Link is not transmitting any power in either direction. Has Will Hodgeman pulled Tas from the AEMO as he threatened to do prior to the Tasmanian election. If so, Vic and SA could be in real trouble on windless days as NSW usually generates between 500Mw and 1Gw less than demand and could not rescue them with coal fired power.

    Diesels at 50 paces!

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    RickWill

    Here is more proof that the people in charge of electricity grids in Australia have dangerously low understanding of cost of power generation:
    https://www.transgrid.com.au/news-views/publications/Documents/TransGrid%20Submission%20to%20Integrated%20System%20Plan.PDF
    Look at the chart on page 7.

    Large scale wind and solar can supply energy with a lower levelised cost than new coal and gas power stations, in the timeframe required by the anticipated retirement of existing
    coal red generation, as shown in Figure 2.

    Anyone comparing LCOE of intermittent generators with LCOE of demand driven generation have no idea.

    On the other hand AGL has a slightly more realistic appreciation of where the grid is going:
    http://aglblog.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/AGL-submission_Integrated-System-Plan.pdf

    Interconnectors and transmission assets are costly and have long lives, and an investment that is considered efficient may be rendered inefficient when the market environment changes. It is therefore appropriate that proposed investments in such assets are assessed comprehensively to avoid locking in long term costs in the Regulatory Asset Base (RAB) of transmission network service providers (TNSP), to address issues that may be short term in nature or otherwise solved by more efficient market solutions. Despite the efficiencies that could be delivered by network investment, we consider that it is still important to objectively evaluate proposed transmission infrastructure investment against other credible network or non-network alternatives such as local generation, storage or demand management, and other new emerging technologies.

    This indicates some uncertainty about the future of the grid that is realistic. In fact the NEM is not compatible with high market share of intermittent sources. They only make economic sense when operated off-grid with storage.

    Then there is this contribution from those who are a long way removed from making the things needed for human existence:
    https://climateconversationscanberra.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/180228-aemo-isp-submission.pdf

    Framing the discussion correctly is vital to a good outcome. We accept the concept of the energy trilemma, but consider that, in terms of implications for the national interest, responding adequately to the emissions reduction challenge is of a different order of significance to concerns, immediate and important as they are, about affordability and reliability. Unlike climate change, the latter prongs of the trilemma carry no existential threat to the survival of present and future generations; but they have been made the overriding focus by government, for the immediate political reasons referred to above. The emissions reduction task, meanwhile, tends to be referred to indirectly and as briefly as possible, when it is the one on which national discussion and leadership is most vital.

    One of the biggest factors inhibiting the development of wind and solar technologies is the substantial subsidies being offered for uneconomic options. The never ending, ever increasing subsidies have taken away all incentive for any economic alternative to fossil fuels.

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    robert rosicka

    My apologies to BOM for the torrential downpour of rain I must have imagined on Saturday , even my rainwater tank is wrong by indicating it had more water in it which just goes to show we have been too hard on the bureau.
    Look up Wangaratta and it shows no rain for Saturday.

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    TdeF

    Beyond belief. In the Australian on line.

    How to cool the earth, preventing a repeat of the massive 1.2C in global temperature “since the industrial revolution”. So even if it’s true, 1.2C in 100+ years and we are doomed? Hook, line and sinker.

    So at least one scientist want to cool the place at your expense. Ask anyone in Europe or America this winter if that is really clever? Ask the iguanas in Florida, the freezing population of Bangladesh or the people in the Sahara having to live with snow.

    What do they want, back 0.6C? Why? In what period of time? How can you stop it turning into runaway cooling, more ice, more reflection, another runaway ice age brought to you by the same mad scientists who brought you the prickly pear and the cane toad and the scourge of the crown of thorns (which appears to be beneficial, at least in Tahiti). All this on some tricked up data from NOAA and the BOM?

    Where is the problem, before we shoot rockets into space and add a layer of NaCL 18km into the air?
    Why was the temperature in 1900 perfect anyway? There are plenty who do not think so.
    Where are all those 1980 doomsday scenarios anyway? Which islands are drowning, which Polar bear populations are going down? Is Antarctica really melting away?

    So just spend a few billion changing the climate. Nice. Why?

    Science fiction. Shoot rockets into space and solve everything. Plus stem cells. All problems solved.

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      yarpos

      With the right alignment of these fanatics(politics/science/business) its possible to imagine these idiots inflicting a Dr Strangelove launch on the rest of us.

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    Peter C

    Sometimes I click on the tab on the right hand side called “STATISTICS” which shows how many are reading the blog right now, and what they are reading. There are some people who are reading the old posts.

    Following their lead I checked on the old post and I came up with this.

    Old folks take responsibility
    http://joannenova.com.au/2013/06/australian-skeptics-outnumbers-believers-says-oecd-globally-63-dont-want-their-dollars-spent-on-the-environment/

    So much for the older codgers being selfish and willing to leave their pollution for younger people to clean up: the survey showed that it was the older folk who were most concerned with generational equity. Australians showed one of the strongest correlations between age and concern about generational equity (fig 2.8).

    This from an old post of Jo’s titled; “Australian skeptics outnumber believers say OECD. Globally, 63% don’t want their dollars spent on the environment…” 10 June 2013.

    As it happens I attended a wedding on the weekend. The happy couple are environmentalists (as far as I know) yet their previous and supposed future behavior involved lots of international AIR TRAVEL. Also a lot of their guests came specially from the UK.

    If that is not Hyprocracy I do not know what hypocracry is, yet they seem oblivious of it, and that went also for most of their guests.

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    Dennis

    GREG BROWN
    A Chinese conglomerate has approached Malcolm Turnbull’s office to ­express interest in buying the Liddell coal-power plant.

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      Analitik

      Good luck with that. A source who used to work there and stays in contact with the staff tells me that AGL are running Liddell literally into the ground, only doing sufficient maintenance to keep the remaining units operating until the scheduled 2022 shutdown – their ideal scenario is to have the boilers and generators fail on shutdown.

      The writedown of Liddell to A$1.00 after it was bought by AGL showed their intentions. I suppose the site could be used for a future replacement power plant since the transmission infrastructure is already in place and quite servicable. But I think AGL are pitching for a CCGT project for this so maybe the Chinese conglomerate is looking to take on this.

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        yarpos

        You would think if its written down value is $1 it would be irresponsible to the shareholders not to ditch it for a reasonable offer. It clearly has no value to the getting out of coal Co.

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          Analitik

          They are making money selling power on a fully written down asset (much like Hazelwood for Engie). This is one of the complaints from the renewables crowd when comparing electricity costs for coal vs renewables.

          Somehow the value of a generator that can run beyond its depreciation lifetime escapes them…

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            yarpos

            Sure , the purchase price should reflect the realistic revenue stream

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              Analitik

              All sorts of tricks are used in accounting to shift around earnings and losses to minimise tax. It doesn’t have to be logical from practical viewpoints

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    el gordo

    Breaking Nooze

    ‘Former prime minister Tony Abbott will not deny reports he is considering running for the Liberal leadership if the Coalition loses the next election, telling reporters at Pauline Hanson’s book launch “people are always better the second time around”.

    ABC

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    From CliSep dougieh says: 26 Mar18:22:59
    “& at the end gave up as it was interesting but obviously all speculation/theory & could go on for ever without any proofs (as it seems to have up to this time at least)”
    How very reassuring that others have also noticed this so called (post modern science 1922)! This crap has no scientific method, only first out of the terlit concept that is difficult to falsify; as such concept is mathematically trivial! Why do so many Earthlings accept this total CRAP!. What Evil, Greedy, Political, crap has been discovered by some clever Earthlings; only to SCAM/SCREW all other Earthlings?
    All the best!-will-

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      el gordo

      You know full well that these earthlings are descended from gracile apes and its taken a few million years to get here.

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    GOD remains Omnipresent (knows all that is known ) and Omnipotent (more powerful than all else)
    None of that means that GOD is ‘limited’, (unable to wonder “what if”) nor (recruit more critters to increase potential! We have greedy damnable Earthling theologians, that have so SCAMED my wonderful flock of Earthlings that learn! BEGONE SATAN!
    All the best!-will-

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    So?? You may have noticed that apart from being at different ends of the planet…there are a number of other subtle differences between the Arctic and Antarctic that affect the local climate. :)

    El Gordo remains so Climate Clown dumb linear with no understanding of the the orthogonal relativistic (spinning) of opposing poles of this precious Earth! We can only Purge such CRAP from the linear GORDO! !!! :-(
    All the best!-will-

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    Dennis

    The Australian

    Electric car threat to network

    BEN PACKHAM
    Electric vehicles pose a threat to national power networks, a New Zealand study has found.

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    Rod Stuart

    Where oh where is Wilbur?
    TLSA is dropping like a rock.
    Down $25 to $279 at this juncture. A far cry from $350 a little bit ago.

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