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Feed your dog sweet potatoes to get nicer weather for the great grandchildren you shouldn’t have

It’s another day in a DroneAge religion

English Mastiff, Planet warming dog.

English Mastiff, Planet warming dog.

It took 12 “researchers” to discover that the best way you, personally, can change the future global climate is to avoid having kids. If you do have kids, you can make up a bit, apparently, by all going vegetarian. If that’s too hard, consider swapping your dog for a hamster. But if you have to have kids, dogs, and eat meat, at the very least, assuage your green guilt for living in the easiest, most bountiful time and place on Earth, by feeding your dog some sweet potatoes occasionally instead of Chum.

Got that? How many tens of thousands of dollars of taxpayer funds did it take to discover this while not ever once google searching for “reasons climate models are wrong/skillless/barking fairy failures?

Marvel at the Washington Times sentence construction — this study comes with cows?

The study comes with livestock, notably cows, already targeted by the environmental movement for their prodigious methane production, prompting calls for people to reduce their beef consumption in order to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions.

 This news is popular with all vegetarian, childless, dogless, lizard owners:

 His study, which found that dogs and cats have a significant impact on carbon emissions as a result of their meat-based diets, met with howls from pet owners and a lukewarm reception even from some environmentalists who also happen to love dogs.

So did the study calculate how many degrees forgoing all dogs in the US would cool the planet by? It doesn’t seem to say…

In his paper published last week, UCLA professor Gregory S. Okin found that meat-eating dogs and cats create the equivalent of 64 million tons of carbon dioxide per year based on the energy consumption required to produce their food, or the same impact as driving 13.6 million cars.

There is great care to package this message as the height of reasonableness, as if the people suggesting the climate changing effects of dogs were all amicable flexibility and sense. Readers can find an option that suits their level of penance: everything from not having kids at all down to occasional sweet potato snacks for your 250 pound mastiff. (Remember its not the outcome that matters when it comes to the planet, it’s the intent…)

“I like dogs and cats, and I’m definitely not recommending that people get rid of their pets or put them on a vegetarian diet, which would be unhealthy,” Mr. Okin said in a statement. “But I do think we should consider all the impacts that pets have so we can have an honest conversation about them. Pets have many benefits but also a huge environmental impact.”

What they are really afraid of, is that the Chinese will get as many pets-per-capita as the US:

“Americans are the largest pet owners in the world, but the tradition of pet ownership in the U.S. has considerable costs,” Mr. Okin said in his Aug. 2 paper, published in PLOS One. “As pet ownership increases in some developing countries, especially China, and trends continue in pet food toward higher content and quality of meat, globally, pet ownership will compound the environmental impacts of human dietary choices.”

It’s only the Earth at stake, so don’t put yourself out too much:

What’s the answer? Mr. Okin suggested making the transition from dogs and cats to smaller animals including hamsters, reptiles and birds, or herbivores such as horses.

For a moment I had an image of him studying dogs that are bigger than horses.

Lastly, listen to the committed environmentalist — so committed to saving the Earth that he runs a digital media company called One Green Planet. Not committed enough to give up his dog:

Mr. Zacharias said it’s possible to mitigate the impact of meat-eating pets by giving dogs plant-based treats, such as sweet potatoes, which he does with his dog and “she loves it.”

At the same time, he said, “you have to be responsible when it comes to feeding your dog or cat.”

“Dogs are omnivores. Technically, they can survive without meat,” he said. “I wouldn’t necessarily do that, and I don’t do that. Cats, on the other hand, are carnivores. They can’t survive without meat. They will get sick and die.”

He said pet owners can balance out the impact on the environment by eating less meat themselves.

How much will you sacrifice to save the world?

 

To want to cull meat-eating pets,
Is for warmists as dumb as it gets,
Who have clearly been fooled,
As the climate has cooled,
And should talk to their doctors and vets.

—Ruairi

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Image: Luga English Mastiff by Fotosuabe

h/t Climate Depot | Tom Nelson Twitter.

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171 comments to Feed your dog sweet potatoes to get nicer weather for the great grandchildren you shouldn’t have

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    First git rid
    of the kids,
    then git rid
    of the pets,
    then eliminate
    - what next?
    Of niahlists,
    lemmings on cliffs.

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      OriginalSteve

      The NWO nhilists will happily eliminate us pesky humans ( except the important ones of course , who run The Party ) and reduce global population to 500 million – as slaves for the Elite.

      the NWO plan is to force everyone ( who survives the human cull ) onto a vegetarian diet to protect their mythical “gaia”.

      These articles about vegie diet is NWO kite flying through forgettable academics so they can judge whether humanity is ready , like sheep, to be shorn and such mad ideas implemented upon us.

      Bear in mind the NWO are happily to *forcibly* put us on a “gaia-friendly” diet even if it means cutting off our power and water, herding us into medga cities, forcing us out of th countryside , until we see the “error” of our ways and tug or forelocks to the NWO lunatics….I think they will have a very very very long wait….. like never….

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        Egor the One

        The Mad Malthusians that have always been behind the GloBull Warming Scam, founded by Mad Malthusian Morry Strong(that hid out in China til his death), are now being more transparent with their climate religious absurdities.

        Such ratbags, being taken seriously , are costing over a trillion dollars per year globally to wreck the world economy and higher standards of living , and are already costing lives because of the denial of cheap and affordable energy. Such ratbags are at war with humanity !

        This is the worry, that such extreme views are becoming more acceptable by more of the mindless, that such kooks no longer have to hide or even tame their lunacies!

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      Duster

      The irony is that years ago I read an study analyzing energy consumption vs energy capture in agriculture. The study found that a simple slash-and-burn horticulturalist captured several times the energy he or she expended growing the crop – though I rather doubt the energy lost in burning the plantation clear was included. Agriculture employing animal traction more or less broke even. Modern powered agriculture uses many times the energy it produces and that remains true regardless of the product. In point of fact, if farmers were not being subsidized to raise corn (maize) as cattle feed the energy cost of beef would be immensely less. Cattle can be raised on range land and “finished” on grass, costing almost nothing compared to a crop of tomatoes. I was raised part of my life on a ranch where we produced all our own beef, chicken and eggs. The costs were minimal and the chickens cost more than the cattle, since we actually bought lots of chicken feed. Cattle diets were supplemented with some alfalfa hay. I have yet to meet a vegetarian that could raise their entire diet.

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    ‘Oh nihilists’ goddammit.’ Need new reading glasses.

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    TdeF

    On news.com.au, Bill Gates has a new meat free burger. Is that to cure hunger or save the cows or save the planet? Or all three? You can never be sure but it looks to be a lot cheaper than meat and thanks to the ‘magic ingredient’ haem, it tastes bloody. Apparently that is what meat users want, according to vegetarians.

    Now I wonder if it will go the way of hydrolyzed oils and transfats which were forced by law on Americans, only to find it was highly carcinogenic? Or corn syrup, which is possibly the most fattening ingredient in the world and in everything. Or even growing food crops for fuel, starving millions.

    Will these do gooders please stop? Now they are trying to get rid of cows because as ruminants they produce methane? When did that start? Hundreds of millions of year ago.

    Is that what really happened to the dinosaurs? They were banned because their methane farts were damaging the atmosphere? They still lasted $150million years, longer than homosapiens with just 100,000 years.

    This is all mad science, based on political aspirations and supported by the opportunistic Green catering manufacturers. The new meat free burger could make billions. We could just get rid of all the cows, goats, sheep and sit around with veggie burgers. Global warming is making $1,500Billion a year. Veggie burgers will save you.

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      OriginalSteve

      Never confuse the NWO ideology with common sense or compassion- they have neither…rather its just an ideology that would see the world reduced to 500 million to “protect” their mythical “Gaia”…

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      Vegetarian food and quasi-veg (like cucina povera in Italy) has a long and illustrious tradition. I couldn’t live without my lentils, beans, split peas, chick peas etc. I eat them for reasons of scrumptiousness and as an excuse for cheese and oil dressings that go with them. Ever wonder why Indians make and buy so many pressure cookers? They know how to make cheap good things with cheap vegetable things.

      Notice how the lecturing classes and Posh Left have no concept of what makes a good vegetarian or low-meat dish? Scandinavian intellectuals and activists can’t wait to punish us with fried insects, while Bill Gates (who would die shamed if he didn’t give all his billions away to Bill Gates via Foundations and other twisty circuits) comes up with a meat-free lump of drek to be eaten between two flour sponges. I wonder if he washes his burgers down with unfermented soy milk made drinkable with gunky sweeteners, oils and emulsifiers.

      Billions already know how to prepare vegetable protein for enjoyment and nutrition. Burger Bill hasn’t noticed?

      No wonder I use Linux, the pasta fagioli of the software world. And you don’t need a Foundation to just give it away.

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        OriginalSteve

        The CO2 “crisis” has never been about saving the planet, but rather enslaving the population.

        It seems the NWO are Satanic occultists, and do think nothing of murdering 95% of the population for furthering their insane anti-Christian belief system – it will make the Somme look like a sunday school picnic by comparison.

        Hitler was a warm up act, the delopment of methods and technologies to assist in in what I suspect is coming, based on their own writings…..

        The fact that no matter who you “vote” for you get the same agenda….

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        Since I’m the only one to have written on topic (see way below) I feel I can justify adding to the noise.

        Notice how the lecturing classes and Posh Left have no concept of what makes a good vegetarian or low-meat dish?

        Is, I believe, made up blather to season your comment with extra irate.

        Go on to other forums and you see them complaining about the middle-class (“posh”) inner city, out of touch, greenie vegans lecturing people about eating lentils and saving farm animals. Sort of the opposite of your depiction.

        Who are these people with no concept? Are you saying that because someone is investigating insect or petri dish proteins they are automatically intellectual activists (or whatever label you were grasping at). How do you know their thoughts or diets?

        I’m a pulse and soy driven, meat free, home grown food eating type of person with a very low food bill compared with my income.

        Actually in this blog the noise is often the signal.

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          Too cryptic for me (again).

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          OriginalSteve

          Gee Aye, good for you if you can keep your food bill down, although if you actually read stuff here, it is 99% signal, with very little noise, the opposite of the windmill youre tilting at….

          In terms of th einner city trendies and their Merc 500 series SUVs lectuiring people on what they shoudl eat while living in million dollar pied-a-teres, yes they are full of it. They very mjuch are the clueless ( albiet wealthy ) equivelent of “let them eat cake”. Its always the marvel how wealthy people can be so plain dumb…how does that work?

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            Gee Aye

            Ok. Mosomoso couldn’t back up his blather. Please post an example of a wealthy inner city person lecturing someone on their eating. Just one would be a start.

            I know it is rhetoric but where is its foundation?

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            How many of these “12 researchers” drive Merc 500 series SUVs?

            I’d be willing to bet that the number is very much less than 12/12, or even 6/12.

            So it seems likely the blather about Merc 500 series is noise, not signal.

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          el gordo

          I’m a meat minimalist. Just one small morsel, with rice and vegies in abundance, feels like a natural balance.

          The caffe latte set have green intent and are inclined towards saving the planet by reducing their meat intake, this might be an urban myth.

          Out in the bush Greens still eat meat with gusto.

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            Gee Aye

            Your turn. Point to these latte people and what they say.

            Btw there are plenty of vegetarian bushies and greens who stay vegetarian when going bush.

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          Dave

          If you happened to look down the comments Gee Eye

          You will see Bill Gates has invented a bleeding hamburger!
          $75 million! Now that’s a good investment to get the juices running for every VEGAN!

          Heehheehhee! I just mow my lawn and next door Greenie comes out salivating!

          Maybe Face Palm time, you missed the inference to the type!

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      Yonniestone

      Don’t even mention methane is 200 times less prevalent in the atmosphere than CO2 but hey don’t let facts get in the way of newspeak eh? ;)

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        How is the amount already in the atmosphere relevant?
        Do you not think it is the amount we are releasing into the atmosphere that is relevant?
        Did you not know that methane is 30x more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2?

        …but don’t let facts get in the way of blather, eh?

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      JohninCQ

      TDF Not just cows,sheep and goats!
      Anoa, Auroch †, Banteng, Bison ,Bongo, Buffalo, Cow, Bull, Ox, Eland, Four-horned antelope, GaurGayal, Kéwel, Kudu, Kouprey, Imbabala, Nildai, Nyala, Saola, Sitatunga, Tamaraw, Water buffalo, Wild yak, Wisent, Yak, Zebu, Argali, Bighorn sheep, Domestic sheep, Mouflon, Snow sheep, Trinhorn sheep, Urial, Alpine ibex, Arabian tahr, Bharal, Barbary sheep, Chamois, Chinese goral, Chinese serow, Dwarf blue sheep, Grey goral, Himalayan serow, Himalayan tahr, Japanese serow, Long-tailed goral, Markhor, Mountain goat, Muskox, Nilgiri tahr, Nubian ibex, Pyrenean chamois, Reg goral, Red serow, Siberian ibex,Spanish ibex,Sumatran serow,Takin,Taiwan serow,Walia ibex,West Caucasian tur,Wild goat (includes the domestic goat as a subspecies),American wapiti or elk, Barasingha, Bawean deer, Brocket, Calamian deer, Chital, Eld’s deer, Eurasian elk, Fallow deer, Hog deer, Huemul, Maral deer, Marsh deer, Mindanao mountain deer, Mindoro deer, Moose, Mule deer, Muntjac, Pampas deer, Père David’s deer, Philippine sambar, Prince Alfred’s deer, Pudú, Red deer, Reindeer or caribou, Roe deer, Rusa deer, Sambar deer, Sika deer, Swamp deer, Taruca, Thamin, Thorold’s deer, Tufted deer, Water deer, White-tailed deer, Addax, Antelope, Beira, Blackbuck, Bluebuck, Bontebok, Chevrotain, Dibatag,Dikdik,Duiker,Gazelle,Gerenuk,Giraffe,Grysbok,Goa,Hartebeest,Impala,Klipspringer,Kob,Lechwe, deer, Okapi, Oribi, Oryx, Pronghorn, Puku, Reedbuck, Rhebok, Saiga, Springbok, Steenbok, Suni, Topi, Tsessebe, Waterbuck, Wildebeest

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      Rod Stuart

      Apparently, the Japanese have invented the ultimate planet saver.
      The claim is that they can make food from human excrement.
      Americans flock to Canada to buy bacon, it is said, because American pork is fed on bovine excrement rather than grain.
      Poo burgers are much like a perpetual motion machine. I think McDonalds invented this stuff decades ago.

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    I think we should respect our Green Betters by suggesting a list of cutting-edge renunciations just for them.

    Long trips across town to get to Feather ‘n Bone for the shiatsu’s dinner will have to go, even if the shiatsu can stay. In fact, long trips to anywhere will have to stop, so instead of charity tourism they’ll have to just send money to Nepal (to the relief of locals), only look at the pics in the Prado on the net, boycott the movies of Al Gore, Michael Moore and such planet-devouring plumpers…and of course refrain from all bevvies that do big good miles.

    Cold brewing sarsparilla leaf if you live near a forest might be okay, but forget the heirloom Mocha and Yirgacheffe. Just send money to Yemen or Ethiopia, and ask your barista if you can bring your own lukewarm sars if you make a Fair Crack or Oxfam donation.

    I could go on. Oh, how I could go on.

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    Mark

    Live like Venezuelans and you will be saved.

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    RobertR

    Hey, another way to reduce emissions – have less lefties!!!! They push out more hot air than the average person – they are an enormous threat to the future of the planet in more ways than one!

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      RobertR

      Yeah, leftie bullsh!t is so pandemic these days, a reduction in the number of lefties would certainly have an appreciable effect in reducing the methane and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere!

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      How is your treatment for schizophrenia coming along, RobertR? Or is it RobertR, who is schizophrenic? Hard to tell.

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        Graeme No.3

        Rereke Whakaaro:

        A bit subtle there. You attracted red thumbs from meat eaters.

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          Anybody who has a conversation with themselves, or starts a comment tree all for themselves, is considered to be schizophrenic.

          Of course, the nice things about being schizophrenic is always having somebody to talk to, even if you tend to argue with your various selves from time to time.

          The history goes back to the Usenet days, and I guess that my earlier response shows my age. I thought it was mild in comparison to what would have happened then.

          If I have offended anybody then …

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        RobertR

        I’m sorry, I don’t get the subtlety of it, Rereke. Are you for or against leftie hot air emissions?

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          RobertR

          I meant that in a ‘ha ha’ funny sort of way btw

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            RobertR

            I tell you what……my Beagle almost became schizophrenic when I told him he might have to go off meat!

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              Rereke Whakaaro

              I feel for your Beagle, I really do.

              Does that make us friends again?

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                RobertR

                Of course we are. Many cheers. As far as Beagles go tho, what can I say…… they have an intelligence, personality and mind of their own (beyond some human types I’ve met, ha, ha) and it is so funny to see them react to certain things at times. For example if you dared serving them up with a vegan dinner one night, they would just sit there and look at you as if you were totally deranged, so I wouldn’t attempt to do it. Reading this news item made me really think of that. Cheers RR

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    Fish of sea
    and fowl of air,
    lions, tigers,
    and other prediterre,*
    we’ve got you on our list,
    it’s not a little list.

    *even threatened polar bears.

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    Peter Whale

    I believe Polar Bears live mostly on meat so why are they trying to save them? Warmists are the problem if they all self-destructed there would be no more anthropogenic global warming.

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    Gerry, England

    Swapping your dog for a horse in the UK will save you loads – not! A horse needs an acre of grass I believe but even then will need additional feed through the non growing periods, or is it that it will so warm grass will grow every day? I wish I could get paid fro producing dumb drivel.

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      I live next to an equestrian who’s a true horse professional and often entertain her loveable but complicated animals on my fire-break…though not at my expense. The idea of taking on the responsibility of a horse – purely because you want a pet and a horse is herbivorous – is clearly conceived in that vacuum bubble where only green minds can survive.

      UCLA professor Gregory S. Okin…you are now entitled to your own statue in Adelaide. (It’s Adelaide, so it might take ‘em a while to build it, okay?)

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        OriginalSteve

        Never a truer phrase – “Poverty is owning a horse” ( often can be swapped with boat ownership etc )

        They eat like horses, you know…..

        Our tween daughter has been told she can have a horse once shes working in highschool to pay for vets, feed, blankets, farrier etc etc…

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      You also need to harrow the paddock, in order to break up the useful compost that horses (and other ruminants) leave behind themselves, as they eat and walk around.

      It is important to do this, so that the worms can eat, digest, and reposition all the good nutrients back into the soil, so that the grass can grow again.

      A smallish harrow weighs about half a tonne and needs an 80 horsepower diesel tractor to pull it over the grass.

      I own such tractor, because I am trying to save the planet.

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      I work part-time in a rural hardware store and we stock all manner of horse feed, unguents (love that word) etc. Owning a horse has to be one of the most expensive hobbies anyone can have, it’s not just the feed, it’s the equipment, facilities, time required and vet bills that add hugely to the cost of ownership. I think you’d be better off owning a yacht.

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        Another Ian

        I’d rate horse ownership similar to ownership of a swimming pool.

        When you buy a pool you need to check the list of what is included to see if the pool slave is included, not just a blank space in which they write your name.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        How do you make a small fortune breeding horses?

        You start with a large fortune, and buy your first mare …

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      Dennis

      Weren’t Horses banned for general transportation because of poollution?

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        ROM

        Pollution!

        The Green Blob and hive mind and its always pathologically fixated alarmists complete with their unmatched and unbridled level of total hypocrisy will always find yet another humanity uplifting piece of technology to decry as some sort of planet destroying invention.

        The latest deadly modern life item to achieve this label according to the green alarmists in the last few months has become the dreadfully polluting [ sic ] diesel engined vehicle.

        Do they, the green blob in their gross ignorance actually have any inkling at all as to what real pollution actually is and consists of and how unbelievably clean the modern developed world with its fossil fueled vehicles and power stations really is compared to what history has to offer in telling us about real down and out pollution as it existed before the constantly berated modern technology began to clean up, our cities and countries?

        The green blog pollution alarmists should acqauint themselves with the following facts which was the lot of the big city dwellers of the mid to late 19th century, just 120 years ago.

        The Surprising Source of New York’s First Environmental Problem

        Was it the automobile? Was it lead from paint? Was it poor water conditions? No — it was horse pollution.

        Treating a Dead Horse

        Near the end of the 19th century, cities were completely riddled with horse manure. Worse still, carcasses filled the streets. In the late 1880s, New York City was occupied by 1,206,299 people, and about 170,000 horses for transportation. Because the horses were commonly overworked and abused, the average streetcar horse had a life expectancy of about two to four years.
        Often, they’d die on the street, here owners would either abandon the bodies, or dump them into nearby rivers or bays.

        In 1880, New York City removed 15,000 dead horses from the street. Chicago removed 9,202 horse carcasses as late as 1916.
        Moving the 1,300 pound carcasses was no easy task — special trucks that hung low to avoid excessive lift had to be made.
        Think today’s traffic is bad?
        An 1886 article in the Atlantic Monthly described Broadway as congested with “dead horses and vehicular entanglement.”

        Shift Happens

        It’s estimated that each horse produced 15-30 pounds of manure per day.
        Remember, the horse population in New York City was about 170,000 in the 1880s.
        That means there were 3-4 million pounds of manure piling onto city streets each day.

        In 1894, the Times of London estimated that every street in the city would be buried 9 feet deep in horse manure by 1950.
        A New York editorial estimated that horse manure would rival the height of Manhattan’s 30-story buildings by 1930.
        Also, each horse produced about a quart of urine daily. That makes about 40,000 gallons per day in New York and Brooklyn.

        Thankfully, change was on the way. The first international Urban Planning Conference was held in New York in 1898.
        The topic of the conference: how to deal with horse pollution.
        Luckily for them, the automobile was beginning to usurp the horse’s role for transportation.
        Though experimental motor cars had been around for quite some time, the cities had previously banned them or limited their use for reasons varying from cars frightening children and horses, to cars being “rich men’s deadly toys.”
        The most well known regulation was Britain’s Red Flag law, which required all cars to be preceded by a man of foot carrying a red flag.

        The horse pollution crisis in the 1890s, which ignited fears of pollution and traffic jams, coupled with the rising prices of hay, oats, and urban land, led governments and urban city dwellers to embrace the automobile.
        By the early 1900s the horse had become unprofitable and a great environmental hazard.
        The car, the modern-day environmentalists’ nemesis, was, at the time, a savior.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        That was in central London, and a bit before your time, I think.

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      Duster

      Not sure about UK dog food but an extraordinary amount here in the US has corn (maize) as the primary constituent. Dog may be omnivores, but an omnivore is basically a carnivore with a wider dietary breadth. Even humans suffer nutritional deficits (D3, B12) without meat in our diets (and if we consume more of the animal we can even get adequate vitamin C on a pure meat diet); vegans have to supplement or suffer and I notice they often ask no questions about the supplement sources.

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    Geoff Sherrington

    You can benefit the environment if you eatbyour dogs and cats when they die, but hey, we still Revere quality vof life more than greenies seem to.
    Geoff

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    pat

    shouldn’t this advice pertain to all ABC coverage, including CAGW, Donald Trump, just to name two that immediately come to mind:

    10 Aug: news.com.au: Frank Chung: ‘The ABC does not have a position on the issue’: ABC tells staff to stop campaigning for same-sex marriage
    THE ABC has reminded its journalists to restrain themselves from campaigning in favour of same-sex marriage on social media and in their news coverage.

    In an all-staff email on Thursday, seen by news.com.au, editorial policy manager Mark Maley wrote that “now that the government has announced the postal plebiscite, the focus has returned well and truly to the rights and wrongs of same-sex marriage and the changing of the Marriage Act”.

    “Please remember that approximately 40 per cent of the population opposes the change and more importantly that the ABC does not have a position on the issue,” he wrote. “It is very important that we are impartial and that all perspectives are given a fair hearing and treated with respect by the ABC.

    “In this charged environment I would also urge everyone to be circumspect on social media — advocating for one side or the other will make it more difficult for the ABC to be seen as impartial. The more high-profile you are the more important discretion is.”

    Mr Maley added that “language is also important”…
    “Some people will inevitably be offended by arguments and statements made by both sides. That cannot be avoided and we should not censor any debate conducted in good faith,” he wrote…

    In a follow-up email, ABC’s head of radio, Michael Mason, urged staff to “please remember to always be respectful, balanced and impartial”. “I’m looking forward to hearing the in-depth, quality coverage that the community relies on from ABC Radio,” he wrote. “I know we will facilitate an informative and civil debate.”…

    The document lists “a few basic things” for journalists and producers to keep in mind in their coverage, including to “explore the nuance” of the discussion and not just “round up the usual suspects” to interview. It also recommends not leaning too heavily on opinion polls…
    “But polls are educated guesses rather than facts. Polls can change, polls can be wrong. The debate should be about the issues, not the numbers.”

    It also warns against “overt campaigning”…
    “But overt campaigning on the issue — whether through social media or other public forums — can undermine your ability to do your job as an independent and impartial ABC program maker or journalist, so think carefully about how you participate in the process and seek advice.”…
    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/the-abc-does-not-have-a-position-on-the-issue-abc-tells-staff-to-stop-campaigning-for-samesex-marriage/news-story/5b66b904187e8bb7651f6275bc6dbe8b

    VIDEO: 6mins05secs: 10 Aug: Herald Sun: Andrew Bolt: ABC JOURNALISTS TOLD BY ABC BOSS: STOP BEING BIASED
    I’ve never seen this before: ABC staff so biased about same-sex marriage that even an ABC boss finally tells them to can it. But why wasn’t this done before? And about global warming? Our border laws?…
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/abc-journalists-told-by-abc-boss-stop-being-biased/news-story/ee5162c64a8d72535182d930218495f3

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      Pat

      “shouldn’t this advice pertain to all ABC coverage, including CAGW, Donald Trump, just to name two that immediately come to mind:”

      That would ruin the current simple test for bs which is

      “If it is mentioned in ABC or most msm it is likely not true”

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        joseph

        Gay Climate Change!

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        The ABC, like most publicly owned broadcasters, has a charter that binds it, “Into being open, truthful, and without bias, for or against, no matter what the issue”. Or at the least, words to that effect.

        It is the, “open, truthful, and without bias, for or against”, by which they should be managed, measured, and rewarded.

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    pat

    comment in moderation re ABC bosses calling on their reporters to be impartial when it comes to….

    take note of the first excerpt. then ask, why does Tatiana continue with the rest of this nonsense?

    27 Aug: NYT: Flying Is Bad for the Planet. You Can Help Make It Better.
    By TATIANA SCHLOSSBERG
    According to some estimates, about 20,000 planes are in use around the world, serving three billion passengers annually. By 2040, more than 50,000 planes could be in service, and they are expected to fly more often…

    First, fly less…
    If everyone took fewer flights, airline companies wouldn’t burn as much jet fuel…
    The longer the distance, the more efficient flying becomes, because cruising requires less fuel than other stages of flight. So it’s certainly better to fly cross-country than to drive solo. If you’re taking a short trip, it may be better to drive…

    Flying nonstop can help, too: The more times you take off, the more fuel you use…
    Some research suggests that flying in warmer temperatures is less efficient, since hot air is thinner and makes it harder for planes to get enough lift to take off.

    If you fly, offset it.
    When you buy carbon offsets, you pay to take planet-warming carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere in exchange for the greenhouse gases you put in…
    “Offsets can provide a useful way to help reduce your climate footprint,” said Peter Miller, a scientist with the Natural Resources Defense Council. “But it’s important to make sure that you’re getting credible and actual real emissions reductions.”…
    To make sure that an offset program really does what it says, it has to meet several criteria, including that it be verified by an independent third party…

    According to a study from the World Bank, the emissions associated with flying in business class are about three times as great as flying in coach…
    The study estimates that a first-class seat could have a carbon footprint as much as nine times as big as an economy one…

    Listen to the flight attendants.
    Apparently, some of the rules about lowering and raising your window shades could help cut emissions…

    Know your fuels.
    Commercial airlines have been using biofuels in some passenger flights since 2011, mixed with conventional petroleum-based fuels in varying amounts…
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/climate/airplane-pollution-global-warming.html

    7 Aug: GreenBiz: Madeleine Cuff: Airlines will consume a quarter of the world’s carbon budget by 2050
    Less than 18 percent of the world’s population has stepped foot on an airplane. Air travel is still, to all intents and purposes, an activity only the privileged few have the luxury to enjoy…

    But that’s all about to change, warned John Mandyck, chief sustainability officer at United Technologies Corporation (UTC)… “The forecast is that in the next 20 years air travel will double. Passenger numbers will double, and the number of commercial aircraft in the skies will double.”…

    Instead, CORSIA, as the ICAO scheme has been dubbed, focuses on establishing a carbon-offsetting scheme to neutralize emissions above 2020 levels. Although offset schemes are fraught with their own problems — chief among them concerns that without expert handling they can be vulnerable to double-counting or other mechanisms for exaggerating their effectiveness — they at least provide a clear incentive for airlines to avoid offset costs by curbing emissions as much as possible at the source…

    But the truth is that no one quite knows how the sector can meet growing demand while decarbonizing. No single technology or market, from biofuels to electric planes, is yet capable of promising guilt-free flight…
    The famous Solar Impulse plane may have circumnavigated the globe using only solar power, but currently, hopes of delivering zero carbon flight at commercial scale face some pretty daunting technical challenges…

    For Mandyck, at some point, the positives of air travel outweigh its environmental impacts. “I think we have to sit back and recognize what the global benefits are of aviation,” he argued. “What purpose does it serve in connecting our economies, connection our cities, and recognizing that it is an integral part of our economy and finding ways to make sure that it can advance sustainably?”

    The trouble is, with more than 80 percent of the world’s population moving ever closer to the boarding gate, cutting emissions to keep pace with the growth in demand well may turn out to be a race the industry just can’t win. The question is, what happens then?
    https://www.greenbiz.com/article/airlines-will-consume-quarter-worlds-carbon-budget-2050

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    Reed Coray

    I’m surprised Professor Okin didn’t argue for the elimination of Yellowstone Park wolves–or a reduction from 12 to 11 in the number of “scientists” needed to write this crap. I didn’t have “an honest conversation about them [pets]“; but I did have an honest conversation with my Shih-Tzu and she was against feeding her sweet potatoes.

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    Doonhamer

    Buffalo Hill and his ilk were eco-heroes ahead of their time.By shooting all those bovines the delayed Global Warming Climate Chaos by a nano-second.

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    John Smith

    Eccentric societies that developed reproduction issues often subconsciously overcame the problem through abduction.
    They want to take our meat and our cars, now this.

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    Reasonable Skeptic

    “It took 12 “researchers” to discover that the best way you, personally, can change the future global climate is to avoid having kids.”

    Wow 12 researcher? It took one bozo to discover that you can move to Chad, have a big family AND lower your carbon footprint too!

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      John Smith

      The Humanists have become anti-human.
      Well, I guess really they always were.
      Now they are brazen and public about it.
      I can’t decide if it’s sinister or just a dim lack of self-awareness to

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        John Smith

        delete ‘to’ add .

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        OriginalSteve

        The reason for the US Consititution 2nd Amendment gets clearer by the day……

        Human stupidity is infinite. Fortunately, some things even the dimmest of humanity undertand…like calming effect on their behaviour of a steady laser red dot on their chest…..

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    JustAnOldGuy

    It’s amazing. The most ‘progressive’, ‘forward thinking’, people on the planet, the folks who hope to lead us into a ‘new era’ of ecological responsibility; who want to be recognized for their virtue appear to be Luddites when you strip away all their pretense to science. They work very hard to destroy the modern world and place all its conveniences and enhancements out of the economic grasp of most folks. Yet they never seem willing to lead by example.

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    James Murphy

    I’m a vegetarian, and have been for the vast majority of my life. I definitely don’t demand, or expect it of others, and I don’t think it does anything to ‘save the planet’, or has any impact whatsoever on numbers of animals being farmed for food (though when younger, I used to tell myself it did). Contrary? perhaps. Logical? maybe not.

    Mind you, some of the most annoying people to go out to dinner with, are those who feel the need to tell everyone about their latest “special dietary needs” a few times. Makes me want to hide under the table.

    I wonder when the tide will turn, and the idiotic virtue signalers will realise that not every “lifestyle choice” has to be a showcase of political ideology.

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    JustAnOldGuy

    I’ve just figured out a way to significantly reduce the methane production of cattle. Prohibit the sale of all beef for consumption except veal. Now I realize there would be a significant increase in most grocery budgets so I propose a significant tax break or some other form of subsidy for its purchase. Think about it. We’d be harvesting meat before it consumed and digested all the vegetation required to currently produce most current grades of beef. Less grass = less methane. In addition there’s be no need for tons of corn to finish off the cattle now languishing in feed lots all around the world. The only full size cattle would be ‘moms’ and the occasional ‘dad’. In addition we’d be freeing all males from the trauma of castration that’s needed to produce steers. We’d be harvesting them before the hormones really have a chance to kick in. I’m telling you it’s one small step to a brighter future. Now I just need to find some grant money so I can work out the full extent of methane reduction plus the saving on the cost or transportation for feed and the finished product.

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      Another Ian

      Following that vein

      If you go that way you will have to have a larger herd of cows to produce the number of calves to produce the needed amount of veal.

      So “reductions” might need IPCC type reporting

      Good luck with your funding

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        JustAnOldGuy

        Those large herds of cows are already out there producing milk. Their life expectancy in 5-6 years. Each one would be able to produce 4-5 calves. Those calves taken away and fed a synthetic diet would allow more milk to be used for human consumption thus reducing the overall size of herds needed to supply the market. With just a little genetic engineering I sure we could create breeds that had a longer life span and a shorter gestation period. There are economic benefits to be had. I’m telling you – no bull.

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        Graeme No.3

        ‘Reductions’ are that hyped as good, rather than the actual outcome. As a first example consider the change from coal to wood by the Drax electricity station in England. That resulted in an INCREASE of 32-34% in the CO2 emitted (by those units converted so far).
        The claim is that the extra CO2 doesn’t matter because the new trees will absorb it. How the trees can tell the difference between CO2 from natural sources (96%) or that from ‘evil man-made’ sources (4%) and choose only the extra emissions from DRAX (0.00001%) isn’t explained.

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      Geoffrey Williams

      Sorry but I do not think your veal idea can work. Think about it-you can only get out what you put in. You would need to balance the equation of ‘meat out’ = ‘animal feed in’
      Regards GeoffW

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      Geoffrey Williams

      PS -I could be wrong . .
      GeoffW

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        ROM

        The Magadan Oblast Tundra and Perma-frost Animal Feed Model indicates that your calculations of feed needed to bring your Central Australian desert camels up to a weight suitable for slaughter is two magnitudes of feed quantity too small / large.… ???

        [ Reference and disclaimer; The Feed Model quoted and used herein is an adaption of the IPCC's climate prediction models. ]

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    Another Ian

    Our Mini Foxie’s reply on eating sweet potatoes would not pass moderators here.

    The Kelpie’s would burn the keyboard.

    /s just in case

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    GreatAuntJanet

    Just barking bonkers – and yet, reported globally! Is there nothing important going on?

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    Robdel

    If you get rid of cows, what happens to dairy produce? Does it mean cheeseburgers are out too?

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    John Michelmore

    OK, I confess, I trained my dog to eat meat, I’m sorry, please forgive me!

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    Keith L

    English Mastiff, Planet warming dog.
    It is always the ones you least suspect!
    A friend of mine has an English Mastiff and I always thought it was such a nice dog. Yet all that time he was secretly warming the very planet we share!
    I will forgive him but I will never forget.

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    Dennis

    80 Litres Of Diesel An Hour

    MICHAEL OWEN
    Generators the SA government is buying to prevent blackouts this summer will use 80,000 litres of diesel an hour.

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    David Maddison

    Did you know lots of Lefties have their dogs on vegan diets?

    Google “vegetarian green diet for dogs”.

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    Reed Coray

    Professor Okin wants an honest conversation about pets and global warming. Okay. My contribution to that honest conversation is this: “We should immediately terminate all public funding of studies that in whole or in part purport to assess the impact pets have on climate.” There, is that honest enough for you Professor?

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    ROM

    I just tried to dial up via google the numbers of the world population and where, who want a regul;ar meal of meat for its protien protien but count themselves very lucky to be able to buy and eat some small amount of meat once a week or so.

    All I got was column after column of rich weatlthy western “experts” [ ?? ] telling everybody that they should avoid meat so as to apparently save the planet and to give themselves a feeling of well being.

    Some of the academically inclined diet and food consumption type directing western “experts” went further and gave instructions to some of the poorest nations on the planet on how they should be divesting themselves of livestock which is very inefficient and “damages the environment” according to the A/C cocooned western experts and plant crops in those same areas which would provide far more nutritious food and “do less damage to the environment”.

    The sheer utter bullshitting arrogance , an unbvelievable condescension and utter arrogance of those western researchers and experts who are just too plain damn dumb to realise they making absolute fools of themselves with their prognostications and advive to native farmers and herdsmen who have survived for centuries doing what they do in reality highlights their complete ignorance of why those animal owning pastoral peoples are doing what they do.

    Believe me, those native farmers and livestock people are just as smart as anybody else around and they will find the best and easiest way of making a living if it is possible in the environment they live in.

    They don’t grow much in the way of crops because of any number of factors such as too variable seasons, too dry, too wet, unsuitable soils or climate, even insect pests and the crop destruction from those pests.

    And the western experts of course don’t stop at telling what these very long term survivors in conditions and climate and environment where those same western experts would starve to death in a couple of weeks, that they should be growing crops instead of herding animals but have the utter gall and arrogance to also instruct those native farmers what species sand types of crops they should be growing.

    Yeah! I’m an old farmer and when I see the blatant outright condescending arrogance of those western experts and their instructions to highly skilled native farmers to change from livestock to cropping , native farmers and western farmers who have lived and worked and survived for tens or hundreds of generations in conditions those western “academic experts” in their A/C academic cocoons would starve to death in , I get bloody angry, very bloody angry.

    Those academic do-gooders if they ever overcome their self delusion and their condescending ignorant arrogance then wonder why so many people everywhere are increasingly giving them the two fingered salute.

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    el gordo

    Let us not forget that eating meat in such large quantities is unnatural and only a recent phenomenon in human evolution.

    Our guts adapted over the past million years on the savanna, walking upright and scavenging for what ever they could find. It was a long way from the hanging fruit of the jungle which was turning into a desert because of climate change.

    These gracile apes found a habitat at lake Turkana and survived, but it seems highly unlikely that extra meat in their diet produced a doubling of brain size in a relatively short time span.

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      el gordo

      … on the other hand the native fish may have been a trigger. The beachcombers who came to Australia would have enjoyed a seafood diet.

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      ROM

      One theory for our big brain and its what seenms to have been a rapid shift in Brain size is that the use of fire to cook meat allowed the protien and other goodies in meat to be much more readily available to the human physiology.

      ..

      Live science= Meat, Cooked Foods Needed for Early Human Brain

      Vegetarian, vegan and raw diets can be healthy — likely far healthier than the typical American diet. But to continue to call these diets “natural” for humans, in terms of evolution, is a bit of a stretch, according to two recent, independent studies.

      Eating meat and cooking food made us human, the studies suggest, enabling the brains of our prehuman ancestors to grow dramatically over a period of a few million years.

      Although this isn’t the first such assertion from archaeologists and evolutionary biologists, the new studies demonstrate, respectively, that it would have been biologically implausible for humans to evolve such a large brain on a raw, vegan diet and that meat-eating was a crucial element of human evolution at least 1 million years before the dawn of humankind.

      At the core of this research is the understanding that the modern human brain consumes 20 percent of the body’s energy at rest, twice that of other primates. Meat and cooked foods were needed to provide the necessary calorie boost to feed a growing brain
      .
      At the core of this research is the understanding that the modern human brain consumes 20 percent of the body’s energy at rest, twice that of other primates. Meat and cooked foods were needed to provide the necessary calorie boost to feed a growing brain.

      One study, published last month in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, examined the brain sizes of several primates. For the most part, larger bodies have larger brains across species. Yet human have exceptionally large, neuron-rich brains for our body size, while gorillas — three times more massive than humans — have smaller brains and three times fewer neurons. Why?

      The answer, it seems, is the gorillas’ raw, vegan diet (devoid of animal protein), which requires hours upon hours of eating only plants to provide enough calories to support their mass.

      Researchers from Brazil, led by Suzana Herculano-Houzel, a neuroscientist at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro in Brazil, calculated that adding neurons to the primate brain comes at a fixed cost of approximately six calories per billion neurons.

      For gorillas to evolve a humanlike brain, they would need an additional 733 calories a day, which would require another two hours of feeding, the authors wrote. A gorilla already spends as much as 80 percent of the tropic’s 12 hours of daylight eating.

      Similarly, early humans eating only raw vegetation would have needed to munch for more than nine hours a day to consume enough calories, the researchers calculated. Thus, a raw, vegan diet would have been unlikely given the danger and other difficulties of gathering so much food.

      Cooking makes more foods edible year-round and releases more nutrients and calories from both vegetables and meat, Herculano-Houzel said.

      “The bottom line is, it is certainly possible to survive on an exclusively raw diet in our modern day, but it was most likely impossible to survive on an exclusively raw diet when our species appeared,” Herculano-Houzel told LiveScience.

      The study puts an upper limit on how big a brain is able to grow while on a premodern raw, vegan diet.
      But the researchers could not determine when daily cooking began.
      Was it about 250,000 years ago, when humans were nearly fully evolved with big brains, which is supported by archaeological findings; or was it about 800,000 years ago, when prehumans began their most dramatic brain-growth spurt, an era for which there is little archaeological evidence of controlled fires for cooking?

      Meet the meat-eater

      If cooking wasn’t routine in the years before the dawn of modern humans, eating meat certainly was.

      MORE >>

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        el gordo

        The earliest barbecue was found in South Africa’s Northern Cape province, with a date of 1.5 million years.

        Apparently some liked their meat medium rare (old habits die hard) while other preferred well done.

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    Ruairi

    To want to cull meat-eating pets,
    Is for warmists as dumb as it gets,
    Who have clearly been fooled,
    As the climate has cooled,
    And should talk to their doctors and vets.

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    Another Ian

    Very O/T but have you heard this mentioned on msm?

    Russia has just expelled 755 from the US embassy in Moscow

    Trump’s response

    “President Trump Thanks Vladimir Putin For Reducing State Department Payroll in Russia…”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/08/10/president-trump-thanks-vladimir-putin-for-reducing-state-department-payroll-in-russia/#more-137012

    Turn on your imagination – in Oz

    Turnbull? – never (IMO)

    Shorten? – Oh the suffering (or worse)

    Abbott? – maybe

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        Bernd

        I don’t know about reading it but he’s sure causing it

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          OriginalSteve

          I think its a lot of sabre rattling…its a global game of chicken I think…the NK mob be a bit unhinged, but I doubt they are completely stupid enough to take on the USA.

          Its one thing for a dog to bark behind its fence, its another to open the gate and see what it does….

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            Another Ian

            Maybe they’ve just caught up with “The Mouse that Roared”?

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            ROM

            The real problem is that the NK’s are digging themselves a very big hole indeed as far as credibility and believability, complete with nuclear weapons, comes over in the rest of the world outside of ISIS and the Taliban and a few others of that particular extreme ideological ilk.

            For family Kim of NK to even be seen to be backing down in any way at all now just loses him / them almost all the very limited supply of credibility they might still have left in the eyes of anybody who might be somewhat symathetic to the NK’s.

            I don’t like the prospects as there is far too much ego being generated in this whole completely unneccessary and internationally completely irresponsible hate and threat filled yap fest that is ongoing at the moment.

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    Jo,

    can you confirm that this is the paper in question?

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0181301

    I’ve tried to find the paper with 12 researchers but maybe I missed it?

    thisa is the university’s press release https://www.ioes.ucla.edu/article/truth-cats-dogs-environmental-impact/

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    I thought I’d go off topic and be the first to comment on the journal article in question.

    This is essentially a budget paper and the main conclusion as I see it is this

    The results presented here indicate that exclusion of pets in calculations of food consumption can skew considerably estimates of the total energy actually consumed. As calculated, US dogs and cats consume as much dietary energy as ~62 million Americans, which is approximately one-fifth of the US population.

    the author comes to various other specific conclusions but I think this is actually interesting even without consideration of AGW when thinking about the economics to supply the agricultural needs of a country (imagine for a moment if a depression hit tomorrow). The conclusions then discuss the significance of his findings when considering the growing pet ownership in China.

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      RB.

      imagine for a moment if a depression hit tomorrow
      I’m always wondering why in the domestication of dogs, nobody wants to talk the spitz on the spit in the room.
      It looks like the dog and grey wolf split during the beginning of the glacial maximum but domestication was not until the end of that period. The grey wolf preying on megafauna would have died out if it had not partnered with the more efficient killer, man. The modern grey wolf appears to be descended from a smaller-build population preying on smaller animals.
      Aboriginal populations of Australia and N Am managed to hunt megafauna successfully (and possibly to extinction) without the help of dogs. Were the cuter/cuddlier ones tolerated before domestication because they could be food when times were lean?

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    “reasons climate models are wrong/skillless/barking fairy failures?”
    LOL!
    That’s the funniest line I’ve read in a long time. I love it when you rant!
    Keep up the great work, Jo.

    Pat

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    Methane production?

    What about the termites?

    Monday 14 February 1994

    Termites are social insects, related to cockroaches. They are well-known for building extraordinary cathedral-like mounds with clever ventilation systems, and notorious for eating wooden houses – in the US they cause more damage to homes than storms and fires combined. Some termites eat soil, and others eat dead wood in tropical forests, aiding the decomposition process. Some termites give off methane when digesting food, by fermentation in the gut, in a similar way to cattle. Methane is another of the greenhouse gases.

    Yes; the insanity goes back decades.

    And while I’m digging around termites: Termites emit ten times more CO2 than humans. Alas,

    “Unless we announce disasters, no one will listen.” — Sir John Houghton, first chairman of the IPCC and lead editor of its first three reports.

    In the last 1.6 million years there have been 63 alternations between warm and cold climates, and no indication that any of them were caused by changes in carbon dioxide levels. A recent study of a much longer period (600 million years) shows — without exception — that temperature changes precede changes in carbon dioxide levels, not the other way around. As the earth warms, the oceans yield more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, because warmer water cannot hold as much carbon dioxide as colder water.

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    Bruce of Newcastle

    My butcherbirds oddly don’t seem to like sweet potato. It’s a mystery.

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    crakar24

    This mindset first reared its ugly head when the then labor government did the math on how much CO2 would they produce shooting camels from a helicopter versus how much CO2 the camels produced. The question then was asked if we are not saving the planet for the animals then whom are we saving it for.

    Same mindset, same question

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    10 Aug: Breitbart: Guardian: There ‘Unfortunately’ Isn’t a Plan to Wipe Out White People
    by Charlie Nash
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/10/guardian-unfortunately-isnt-plan-wipe-white-people/

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    OriginalSteve

    Hmm…my previous post on this has disappeared…maybe becasue the URL it had had the “f” word in it?

    Sorry – I cant change the source URL ( I’ve blanked out the possibly offending word ) but its a pointer to the article to be used purely as source material.
    Hopefully this post survives….

    http://climatechangedispatch.com/very-high-confidence-of-extreme-f***d-by-government-climate-scientists/

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    David Maddison

    O/T

    This is excellent and talks about the tactics of the Cultural Marxists.
    https://counterjihadreport.com/2017/08/10/read-the-politically-incorrect-memo-that-triggered-mcmaster/

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    Bruce

    Thank you Jo, for another entertaining expose’ of the lunatic totalitarian big green. Not to worry, a license for “appropriate” brothers and sisters will “fix”the pet problem. Obviously, a license to breed children, will only be issued to “appropriate”, breeding pairs, which will “fix” democracy problem.

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    pat

    10 Aug: Spectator: Energy policy: the meatgrinder of the poor
    by Stephen Cable
    The outstanding success of the South Australian government of giving their people the highest power prices in the world is going to be replicated around the country.

    Even as the whole nation is looking on in amazement as Jay Weatherill continues to display his incompetence and make his government a global laughing stock, other state governments are looking at imitating his policies. This is a bit like watching your friend walk down an alley, getting mugged, then nonchalantly strolling down after them…READ ALL
    https://www.spectator.com.au/2017/08/energy-policy-the-meatgrinder-of-the-poor/

    1 Aug updated 7 Aug: Financial Post: Alex Epstein: Al Gore can’t deny that his climate crusade involves great suffering
    Gore has to make the case that climate dangers warrant so much human misery
    http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/al-gore-cant-deny-that-his-climate-crusade-involves-great-suffering/wcm/437f1ecb-cde9-41fc-abc7-a2484a1eaa00

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    pat

    10 Aug: CarbonBrief: Factcheck: Lord Lawson’s inaccurate claims about climate change on BBC Radio 4
    by Carbon Brief Staff
    The Today programme, BBC Radio 4’s flagship current affairs breakfast show, featured a prominent five-minute interview this morning (LINK) with the climate sceptic Conservative peer Lord Lawson.
    Lawson was asked by the presenter Justin Webb to respond to Webb’s earlier interview with Al Gore…

    Lawson, who has a history of controversial appearances on the Today programme, made a number of inaccurate claims throughout his interview. It has already attracted widespread criticism from scientists.
    Carbon Brief has transcribed and annotated the interview to highlight and contextualise the errors…
    FACT CHECKED

    FOLLOWED BY:
    Al Gore transcript
    Below is the transcript of the section of Webb’s interview with Al Gore which focused on extreme weather:
    ***NOT FACT-CHECKED.
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-lord-lawson-inaccurate-claims-about-climate-change-bbc-radio-four

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    pat

    the Bill Gates burger has been mentioned in the comments.
    some updates, read all:

    10 Aug: Australian: from UK Times: Impossible Burger clouded by US food agency regulations
    by Will Pavia
    A meat-free burger backed to the tune of $US250 million by Bill Gates and sharp-toothed venture capitalists may be skewered by officials at America’s food standards agency, who have warned that a key ingredient may not be safe.
    The Impossible Burger is the debut product of a Silicon Valley start-up called Impossible Foods, founded in 2011 by a biochemist from Stanford University…

    Mr Gates, Google Ventures and Li Ka-shing, a billionaire from Hong Kong, backed the company, as did the sovereign wealth fund of Singapore. Top chefs were also lavish in their praise.
    “I tasted the future and it was vegan,” the New York restaurateur David Chang wrote on Facebook. “This burger was juicy/bloody and had real texture like beef,” he wrote, “but more delicious and way better for the planet . . . I think it might change the whole game.”…

    A spokeswoman for Impossible Foods said the burger was safe. “Haem is an ancient molecule found in every living organism,” Rachel Konrad said.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/impossible-burger-clouded-by-us-food-agency-regulations/news-story/5fac165f2f0f09ab7d3dd108263d4130

    9 Aug: BusinessInsider: Melia Robinson: The Bill Gates-backed veggie burger that ‘bleeds’ has raised another $US75 million – see how it’s made
    Silicon Valley is rallying around a startup that wants to disrupt the meat aisle.
    Impossible Foods sells burgers made from plants that sizzle on the grill and “bleed” juices like real beef…

    On August 1, the startup announced it had raised a $US75 million investment from Singapore-based venture fund Temasek, Bill Gates, Khosla Ventures, and others. The new round brings the company’s total funding to over $US250 million and will likely serve its plans for expansion…

    Impossible Foods unveiled a new facility last spring that will increase its production capacity by 250 times, allowing the company to supply burgers to more than 1,000 restaurants in the future and introduce its flagship retail product within the next few years. Vegetarians and curious meat-lovers can find the Impossible Burger at 43 restaurant locations nationwide…
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/impossible-foods-meatless-burger-how-its-made-2017-8?r=US&IR=T#/#in-a-redwood-city-california-office-building-with-blacked-out-windows-scientists-foodies-and-silicon-valley-veterans-work-on-making-the-perfect-veggie-burger-1

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      OriginalSteve

      I’ll stick with cow….who knows what is made in a lab….

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        ROM

        I was on the now defunct government mandated “Victorian Wheat Advisory Committee” for a good part of a decade back in the 1970′s.
        Our function was to go through all the different wheats bred by the then government employed plant breeders in the plant breeding research establishments and analyse any new varieties characteristics and suitability for making bread, biscuits, starch and etc and etc.
        And then recommend which of the newly bred varieties should be bulked up for seed plus re-newing the acceptability of any older and well established quality and yield wise varieties for specific slots in the bread, biscuit, flat breads, strach compounds of which there are a whole host of made from wheat,plus many other uses for Wheaten flour products all of which require quite very different characteristics in the wheat varities they are made from to be suitable for the type of end product use.
        The newly bred and recommended varities were then bulked up for selling as seed for farmers to sow.
        Some seed from the the older varities of course were kept back from the harvest by farmers and cleaned and were sown by those farmers for the next crop.

        We use to give the Sydney based Bread Reseach Institute guys a hard time over some of the stuff they were still allowed to put into bread in those days.
        Most of that stuff was no longer used by the bread manufacturers but hadn’t been taken off the list of acceptable substances.
        Feathers were one such item I can remember.

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      Thousands of years of sustaining, delicious vegetarian cookery by billions of people…and Silicon Valley comes up with this meat-mimicking monstrosity by activist neurotics for activist neurotics. I’d like to say “only in California” but sadly…

      I’m sure Bill Gates will more than recoup his investment by processing the deal through various funds, foundations, charities, funny companies and NGOs. But what a horror.

      Friends of mine grow big-scale out west in the irrigation region. A chaff-bag of chick peas costs next to nothing. I’d like to send some to Gatesy along with a usb running Peppermint Linux but I don’t think he understands actual “free”.

      I’m going to have to eat some meat tonight.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Sign of a mentally ill society and its tolerance of the inane?

    While other cultures believe that having a few kids is common sense and necessary for cultural strength and survival, ‘arsisiety’ tolerates this latest “DroneAge” sham scientific buffoonery.

    This kind of dystopian conditioning is surely joined by PETA’s advocacy of silent fireworks.

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    Anders Valland

    “Mr. Okin suggested making the transition from dogs and cats to smaller animals including hamsters, reptiles and birds…”

    No way. Can’t go with that type of huge livestock, that’s heading for disaster. If you really need a pet (and you don’t, climate heretic!) – get a fly! Or a tick! Or a flea!

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    Small amounts of powdered pumpkin is often recommended for dogs as a nutrient source and prebiotic, however a high pumpkin diet has major deficiencies and leads to a lot of gas and very soft motions.
    The food given to dogs is classified as unfit for human consumption or pet grade and otherwise would end up as meat meal or fertilizer.
    In Europe the ingestion of vegetarian diets is not causal for mental illness and depression, but follows it.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/

    ‘Results

    Vegetarians displayed elevated prevalence rates for depressive disorders, anxiety disorders and somatoform disorders. Due to the matching procedure, the findings cannot be explained by socio-demographic characteristics of vegetarians (e.g. higher rates of females, predominant residency in urban areas, high proportion of singles). The analysis of the respective ages at adoption of a vegetarian diet and onset of a mental disorder showed that the adoption of the vegetarian diet tends to follow the onset of mental disorders.’

    As a matter of societal competence it would be better not to advocate vegetarian diets as a response to climate change in humans as it may select out those with pre existing anxiety, depression and bulimia.
    For dogs it could make them ill and cats, kill them.
    For that matter cutting people’s power off due to hikes in prices due to a zealous green theories
    is really bad for our society.

    It is my experience that those who traditionally eat vegetarian foods, such as the strict vegetarians of India, do well on them.

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      Lewis

      “The food given to dogs is classified as unfit for human consumption or pet grade and otherwise would end up as meat meal or fertilizer.”

      IIRC Chiefio’s ultimate disaster food reserves list includes some bags of dry dog food

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        I did not know that.
        I was briefly involved with feedlot cattle.
        Its amazing what is fed to cattle, brewers grain, sweepings from cornflake manufacture,the husks of nuts, discarded bread
        which comes from the duopoly and bread shops and so forth.
        In Qld even dead chooks were thrown into the silos as they slowly decayed.
        Not sure about dry dog food which is basically baked biscuit with offal meat and stabilised fat.
        You could be sure the grain is of lower quality for human consumption, however the amounts of energy, protein fats and minerals are carefully matched and made up to the specifications on the bag.
        The problem with food analysis is not the gross amounts of ,say protein and fat, but whether they are actually digestible.
        Its not clear to me that dry dog food would be that digestible in all cases in humans.
        Anyone want to trial this?

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    pat

    10 Aug: UK Times: Emily Gosden: Eon turns up heat over high cost of smart meters
    Rising costs of installing smart meters and implementing government energy efficiency schemes contributed to a drop in profits at Eon’s UK supply business over the first half of the year, the company has said.
    The German energy group said that adjusted earnings before interest and tax for its UK household and business supply division fell by 20 per cent to €233 million in the six months to June.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eon-turns-up-heat-over-high-cost-of-smart-meters-t6bgjdf2v

    2 Aug: UK Telegraph: Sam Meadows: Six reasons to say no to a smart meter
    The great smart meter revolution has faltered and households can choose, once again, to opt out and keep hold of their old-fashioned utility meters which require manual reading.
    When they were introduced in 2009, smart meters were supposed to simplify the billing process and ensure readings were up to date and accurate. But the roll-out has been plagued with problems – as explained below.
    Now, according to research conducted by comparethemarket.com, one in five people do not want one…

    The controversy around smart meters is more so because it is the Government’s job to set overall energy policy, not the job of suppliers, and the move away from carbon-based energy sources, the national roll-out of smart meters, and the expansion of renewables and nuclear power has cost consequences, with the consumer expected to pick up the tab.

    Every household will, ultimately, pay for the new meter roll-out via their bills. As energy companies are quick to say, this is one reason why bills are rising…READ ALL
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/six-reasons-say-no-smart-meter/

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    pat

    9 Aug: The Hill: EPA head casts doubt on ‘supposed’ threat from climate change
    By Timothy Cama
    Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) head Scott Pruitt on Wednesday cast doubt on the idea that climate change poses a threat to the United States.
    Pruitt told conservative North Dakota talk radio host Scott Hennen on WHO-AM that that’s one of the reasons why he is organizing a “red team/blue team” exercise to try to challenge what the EPA chief called “so-called settled science” on climate change.

    “We’ve talked about, Scott, having a red team/blue team exercise, where we bring red team scientists in, blue team in, ask the question: What do we know, what don’t we know about this issue,” Pruitt said on the show, where he appeared with North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum (R).
    “The American people deserve an honest, open, transparent discussion about this supposed threat to this country. And we need to advance that,” he continued. “Hopefully, sometime this fall, we’ll be able to actually get that going.”…

    The EPA chief believes that the climate is changing and humans have some part in that, but maintains that scientists do not know how much that contributes to climate change.
    Pruitt said Wednesday that the Clean Air Act cannot be used to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.
    “The Clean Air Act was set up to address regional and local air pollutants,” he said on the radio program. “Congress has not spoken on this issue at all.”

    The Supreme Court ruled in the 2007 case Massachusetts v. EPA that greenhouse gases are air pollutants under the Clean Air Act, and can be regulated if the EPA determines that the gases harm human health or the environment. The EPA made such a determination in 2009.
    http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/345937-epa-head-casts-doubt-on-supposed-threat-from-climate-change

    from cached version:

    9 Aug: E&E News: CLEAN POWER PLAN: Sidelined climate rule suffers another blow in the courtroom
    by Ellen M. Gilmer
    Hopes for revival of the Obama administration’s signature effort to address climate change slipped further from reach yesterday as a federal court extended its freeze of litigation over the Clean Power Plan.
    The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit instituted a new 60-day abeyance of the long-running legal battle over the U.S. EPA regulation, which would require reductions of carbon dioxide emissions from the power sector.
    The court’s decision is a blow to Clean Power Plan supporters, who have repeatedly pushed the D.C. Circuit to issue a decision in the case, which was argued almost a year ago…

    Clean Power Plan opponents, meanwhile, praised the decision as continued relief for energy companies and states that saw the rule as a crippling regulatory overreach.
    “We are pleased with the court’s decision, which maintains the stay of this costly and controversial rule,” said Stephen Bell, spokesman for the National Rural Electric Cooperative Association, one of many industry petitioners in the case. “This gives the administration time to consider whether and how to replace the rule and also protects electric co-ops while the review takes place.”…

    Yesterday’s decision marks the second time the D.C. Circuit has put the Clean Power Plan litigation on hold; the first was in April at the Trump administration’s request.
    The freeze is particularly troubling to rule supporters because it maintains a Supreme Court stay that was instituted in February 2016 and was designed to last for the duration of the legal battle. As long as the case is on a court’s docket — active or in abeyance — the Clean Power Plan cannot take effect…

    Critics of the rule quibbled with the characterization of EPA’s obligation but cheered the conclusion.
    “The details of the EPA’s obligation to curb greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act are debatable,” Competitive Enterprise Institute General Counsel Sam Kazman said in a statement. “Nonetheless, the concurring judges are absolutely correct in recognizing that the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of the scope of its stay.”…
    https://www.eenews.net/energywire/2017/08/09/stories/1060058556

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    Hi Jo,

    maybe you didn’t see my question above but can you please tell me the origin of the “12 “researchers”" on your first line? thanks.

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    Gee Aye

    Hi again. Just wondering if the mods or anyone has drawn attention to the question I’ve asked. I don’t think I’m being wrong headed on this, I’m just wondering what the first line of the post was referring to

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    Me again…

    12

    12

    12

    12?

    who are the 12.

    Twelve!

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    I guess I’ll revisit on weekend unthreaded

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