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Turkey can’t get free money from US, decides climate is safe, Paris unneccessary

Ergodan does his own climate maths — decides that the most significant inflatable cash cow has  disappeared from the sky. The global climate suddenly looks clearer, and so Turkey pulls back from Paris accord:

(Reuters)  The U.S. decision to pull out of the Paris climate agreement means Turkey is less inclined to ratify the deal because the U.S. move jeopardizes compensation promised to developing countries, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday.

“Therefore, after this step taken by the United States, our position steers a course towards not passing this from the parliament,” he said.  (link)

Turkey, saving the planet, one bank account at a time.

How many other nations do the same maths but are aren’t quite so, ahem,  honest?

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    Annie

    How very altruistic of them!

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      Peter C

      h/t to Tom Halla
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/11/turkey-demands-cash-to-ratify-paris-agreement/#comment-2549218

      Lyrics by Janis Joplin.

      “Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
      My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
      Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
      So Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

      Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a color TV?
      Dialing For Dollars is trying to find me.
      I wait for delivery each day until three,
      So oh Lord, won’t you buy me a color TV?

      Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a night on the town?
      I’m counting on you, Lord, please don’t let me down.
      Prove that you love me and buy the next round,”

      Please don’t let me down!

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        Peter C

        My lead in comment was about the rent seeking Erdogan.

        But then I started looking up Janis Joplin, so this is a segway.

        Janis Joplin
        First I found it hard to find any live You tube of her performances. That may be because she was early on (1943- 1970). “After releasing three albums, she died of an accidental heroin overdose at age 27″

        This You tube shows her at Woodstock 1969. She looks pretty wrecked. I even wondered if she had false teeth!
        “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz7x5pMdN0c

        I think Di Morrisey may have used her as a character in her book “Scatter the Stars”. It is mainly about Randy Stone (Errol Flynn). He has a young friend, a singer who dies of a drug overdose after her first big performance.

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          Mary E

          Joplin was mostly a boozer, didn’t get into deep abuse of alcohol or into “heavy” drugs (Pot, wacky-weed, whatever the local jargon for smokeable hemp is, is not “heavy” in this sense)until after her career took off – a child of her times, escaping depression and wanting the good feeling of a good “buzz” and taken advantage of by her “handlers” and “friends” once her fame and money kicked in. There is at least one decent ISA made bio of her that is fairly accurate in both the good and bad side of her career and habits.

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      Jo says “ahem, honest”, you say “altruistic”; I lean more toward “forthright” or even better, “blatant”. Like a little kid who doesn’t understand the moral principle(s) involved, only what he can hold in his grubby little hand, if Mommy and Daddy will let him.

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    Curious George

    Obama should now supply his own money.

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    ivan

    First domino to fall.

    Will we see anything like falling domino runs in the competitions and, if so, who will be next?

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      Graeme No.3

      With 62 countries looking to build coal fired power stations I would say the dominoes are already falling.
      Or perhaps they would accept the money, if it comes, but do whatever they choose.
      South Africa, Mozambique, Botswana, Namibia, Zambia, Madagascar, Mauritius, Tanzania, Kenya, Nigeria, Mali, The Gambia, Morocco, Egypt,
      Indonesia, Phillippines, Vietnam, Burma, Kazakstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Armenia, Chile, Uruguay, Peru, Brasil, Columbia, Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica, Iran, Israel, Turkey, Greece, Hungary, Herzegovina, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Spain, Portugal, Ireland,
      Add China, Japan, South Korea, Germany, The USA.
      And I’ve still missed some out.

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        William

        Over at Fairfax, the commenters there are so utterly convinced that the coal industry is dead and that the world is moving away from coal and we should stop coal mining and close all coal power stations. When you point them to inconvenient facts such as Japan and Germany, for example, investing heavily in coal generation, they refuse to believe it because it contradicts their mindset.

        Commenters there see reports that China has closed an old generator as proof it is moving away from coal and somehow miss the stories about the new coal stations taking their place. I have said over and over that I support research in energy that is environmentally friendly, reliable and economic but other than hydro (can fail in a drought) and geothermal if geology suit it) then our choices are anything but economic, efficient or reliable – and wind and solar are anything but environmentally friendly!

        Alarmists really do live in a parallel universe.

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          New Zealand has coal fired power stations at Huntly, and the country also has its own coal reserves.

          But we find that we can get by with our combination of hydro generation, and thermal generation, for the moment. So the Huntly power station has been mothballed, and the coal reserves are being kept in reserve.

          Japan is exactly the same situation (although I am not sure they have significant coal reserves).

          This is what sensible countries, with sensible politicians do.

          However, countries that elect politicians and prime ministers with very grandiose ideas, and oversized egos, do not see their fame and glory in doing the sensible things. Which is a shame. really. I hate seeing a great country going to waste.

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            ExWarmist

            I think that’s smart – you might need that coal in the future.

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            sophocles

            Don’t forget the geothermal generation, Rereke. There’s about 900+ MWh of generation, mostly from the Taupo geothermal field. Wairakei has had some of its wells phased out or closed down around 2005. It may or may not be still active. Newer plants such as Te Mihi (Taupo), Nga Awa Purua (Taupo), Mokai (Taupo) and others near Kawerau (towards Tauranga), are online.

            In 2014 79.9% of New Zealand’s electricity was generated from renewable sources. Hydro stations accounted for 57.1%, of total generation, with the balance from geothermal stations (16.2%), gas (15.7%), coal (4.3%) and, bio-mass plants and wind farms (6.7%).

            NZ generation mix as at 2014 from NZ Govt. Sources.

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      BernardP

      The irony is that Mr. Erdogan overall policies and behavior make President Trump look like a moderate democrat.

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        Asmilwho

        Erdogan is a past master of extracting money from the European Union by making threats.

        I suspect that, knowing the alarmists absolutely dont want to see anyone else breaking the ranks, he is gambling that Fr. Merkel and the others will send him many more billions of taxpayers money to make him shut up.

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    Reasonable Skeptic

    Skeptics: Developing nations are on board with Paris for the free money
    Alarmists: Developing nations are on board proves they love the environment!

    US (Mr. Money bags)leaves Paris and developing nations start bowing out, proving skeptics right on yet another front.

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    Freddie Stoller

    In December they will meet in Paris and there decide who will pay how much and who will receive how much. I bet, after this meeting the field of the 200 undersigning nations will be greatly reduced. Anyone bet against it?

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      Raven

      Nah, I reckon the majority of the sign-ups will stay in the Paris con agreement.

      The vast majority of these nations are potential receivers of cash. They’ve got absolutely nothing to lose. No one is going to pester them for emission reduction targets and the EU might just come through with at least a little dosh.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        Then they will ultimately be disappointed.

        Perhaps this will be an “Ah-ha” moment for them, realising that whatever the EU says will happen is just fairy dust and pink wishes.

        They have the world promised to them, but end up with nothing.

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          Raven

          Yeah, I agree they’ll be ultimately disappointed.

          Presumably not just Turkey, but all of these countries are hoping to receive some cash. I’d also presume they’re probably all receiving foreign aid of some sort.

          If they truly believe Climate Change™ is an existential threat, I’d expect they’re already spending a substantial proportion of their foreign aid to mitigate the effects, no?

          If they aren’t, what conclusions might we draw?

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            I’d also presume they’re probably all receiving foreign aid of some sort.

            You bet they are, and from multiple sources, for multiple reasons, a few of which might be genuinely valid, on a dark night, with the light behind them.

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          King Geo

          The Norwegian band “Ah Ha” had a raging hit in 1985 called “Take on me”. Fast track to now then maybe the “me” can be the “UN”, in which case both the USA & Turkey, who now pay SFA to the “blood sucking UN”, can now sing “Don’t take on me” – “Ha ha ha!!!

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      John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

      I think Australia should take the lead. Oops, sorry we’re broke!

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    Lionell Griffith

    Looks like the much feared “tipping point” has been reached. Trump has stopped the sacking of the US Treasure by saying “no more one way deals! It is trade value for value at mutual benefit or nothing. No more free lunch.”

    It is way past time that we stopped feeling guilty and paying ransom for being productive. We must deal only with others who produce things of value for us in trade for what we produce.

    Horrors of horrors. The international despotic parasites might even have to stop biting the hands that feed them. Unimaginable pain and suffering. They earned every bit of it!

    It’s time to bring out the soda, popcorn, chips, and dip. This is going to be fun to watch.

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      Bite Back

      I don’t usually respond to someone else’s comment but in this case I have to say I’ll contribute beer, pretzels and hotdogs too. Just let me know where the party is.

      BB

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        Lionell Griffith

        This is a nice thought but it’s bit far for an Australian to travel. I live in the first suburb due west of Chicago Illinois. Almost exactly the other side of the earth.

        Sadly, my health condition does not permit me to consume beer and pretzels but a few Chicago Style hotdogs or BBQ bratwursts would be just fine.

        I will be cheering for whatever spillover effect that comes your way. You need it as much as we do.

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          Rereke Whakaaro

          I am sorry to hear that you are unwell, Lionell. I hope the cause is nothing serious.

          You are, and have been, an inspiration to the rest of us, for your clear thinking and erudite discussion. We need you mate.

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            Bite Back

            I’ll second Rereke’s sentiments. I’m also sorry to hear that your health is not so good.

            But you’re mistaken in one thing, I am also one of Joanne’s U.S. readers so I may be closer than you think.

            BB

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              Lionell Griffith

              Holding a party to watch the pending collapse of the green blob might be a bit long.

              I live in an apartment building that I and my Daughter owns which she manages. She frequently holds an evening Barbecue on the back patio. Perhaps a meeting can be arranged for an extended face to face conversation.

              Joanne has my email address and has my permission to give it to you in the event such a meeting is of interest.

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            Lionell Griffith

            The issue is that I have been a diagnosed type 2 diabetic since 2005. It’s well controlled because I avoid eating what I shouldn’t. Alcohol and simple carbohydrates are off the menu for me.

            Being 80 years old has left me with a well used body that shows the effects of time and wear. Fortunately, my mind is as good as it ever was. My years have given me much time to think and understand what works, what doesn’t, and what can be done about it.

            It gives me great pleasure to offer the words you value. It is my earnest hope they will make a difference in our battle against the increasing madness in the world.

            I offer a deeply felt gratitude to Joanne for offering this forum that makes our extended conversation possible. I will continue with the conversation as best I can as long as I can.

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              Bite Back

              I understand the well used body problem myself. I’m unfortunately a long distance from you and though I wouldn’t mind the visit at all, it’s presently out of the question.

              Do continue to take care of yourself. And as Spock (of Star Trek fame, not the doctor) would say, “Live long and prosper.”

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    There’s a chance Australia could be “among the world leaders” on this issue? It makes a wonderful headline.

    Nah!!!

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      Ava

      Yup! Guess that leaves the post of Turkey in Chief up for grabs once again. Calling it leadership to appeal to the hubris of the next biggest sucker.

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      Yonniestone

      Australia doesn’t have a leader, we have a succession of chair-people that have been voted in according to the political autonomous collective in Canberristan.

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      We in Britain have always thought of ourselves as amongst the world leaders in climate science.

      However, we will, reluctantly, hand over the mantle to you.

      No, there’s no need to thank me…

      Tonyb

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        Kevin Lohse

        The Empress Angela has an election to win. She could quite easily get the considerable German Green vote on. board by promising the EU’s support of Paris as Chief Patsy thereby showing world leadership.

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          Alfred (Melbourne)

          The G20 meeting in Hamburg was a disaster for Merkel. She stayed in a luxurious suite at great cost while ordinary policemen had to sleep in the street.

          “Merkel’s Failed G20 Summit”

          https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/merkels-failed-g20-summit/

          BTW, the Russians are fed up with the Americans not letting them use their diplomatic compounds – mostly used for vacations – and are finally retaliating against the expulsions of 35 diplomats by Obama. The whole thing is totally irresponsible.

          https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-lavrov-idUSKBN19W15X

          https://www.rt.com/news/396038-moscow-tough-response-us/

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            Greg Cavanagh

            “We realise that the decision to expel our diplomats, to impound our diplomatic property was adopted by the administration of former U.S. President Obama,” he said.

            The outgoing administration had aimed “to poison to a maximum U.S.-Russian ties” and create a “trap” for Trump, he added.

            That whole article needs to be front page of every print news media.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            There used to be a phrase in the western military alliance: “Don’t poke the bear”!

            And what does Obama do … ?

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              rapscallion

              It wasn’t just Obummer was it? The EU did a very good job of poking the bear vis-a-vis Ukraine and breaking the Budapest Memorandum in the process. To make matters worse Ukraine and the EU have just signed an Association Agreement which contains security protocols. For example “shall be further developed and strengthened between the Parties. This will promote gradual convergence on foreign and security matters with the aim of Ukraine’s ever-deeper involvement in the European security area” and “The Parties shall intensify their dialogue and cooperation and promote gradual convergence in the area of foreign and security policy, including the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP), and shall address in particular issues of conflict prevention and crisis management, regional stability, disarmament, non-proliferation, arms control and export control.”

              For reasons historical, strategic and those relating to a nation’s pride, Ukraine is a line in the sand. Home to the Russian Navy’s Black Sea fleet in Crimea, the EU’s efforts are provocative and smack of arrogance. It is not going to end well.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      One of the leemings has to be first.

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      Ron Cook

      Hats Off,

      Hell will freeze over first………’ey ‘ang on the sun is at it’s lowest activity in what? 100, 200 years maybe, just maybe Hell WILL freeze over.

      R-COO- K+

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        Tom R Hammer

        State and territory leaders from SA, Qld, ACT and Vic couldn’t resist the opportunity to sidle up to Al Gore and commit to trashing more fossil fuel electrical sources. I think we have our first obvious tipping point. Australia has taken The Man From Snowy River to heart and leapt over the edge after the herd of brumbies while theexperienced riders “Kiss the mob good-day.” Popcorn anyone?

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    Cookin'YourOwnGoose

    Now that US has pulled out how many Turkeys are going to keep voting for Christmas ?

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    TdeF

    The end of Climate Cash?

    The effect of a real world leader in Trump is amazing. No wonder the media hate him! This is what everyone wants except the media and the Green Industrial complex pushing Chinese windmills and solar panels and Climate Cash run by rich bankers like Macron and Turnbull.

    Fake leaders like Turnbull do not care about money. It’s not his money. For a banker, debt is good as long as it is not his. So Turnbull pretends to lead. How duplicious can you be, meeting the Queen of England while the former leader of the anti Monarchy Australian Republican movement.

    Never has an Australian government been so fake, politicians so unrepresentative of anyone except themselves. Turnbull, Bishop, Frydenburg, Pyne. All deceivers pushing their own hidden agendas including new carbon taxes to make the RET even worse. Are Malcolm’s Liberals he really talking about a car carbon tax? Is Malcolm simply trying to infuriate conservative voters, hoping to provoke a response from Abbott? At least he now says he and his team are Progressives, American style Liberals. As leader of the British Conservatives Theresa May would be thrilled. Trump too.

    Yes, it is all about the Climate Cash. It always was. No one who has experienced the last thirty years could be convinced the seas have risen at all,the temperature has roared and the climate has actually changed or that anyone needs to spend hundreds of billions or raise massive taxes. Then you get the fantasy that while the temperature has not changed, the weather is somehow ‘worse’.

    You cannot keep people in thrall of the terrible disaster to come after thirty years. ‘The Science’. People start to suspect that they have never been told the truth and that our former Australian Chief Climate Commissioner is not a real scientist and does actually not know anything about the weather and has never been right about anything. There is no Global Warming. There is only Global deceit. We can only hope that after 70 years of cold war since WW2, Russia and the US are finally talking and there has been a real climate change. That would be a good result from the G20.

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      TdeF

      Your now Progressive government at work on the climate..

      The federal government has mooted a “car carbon tax” on some of the nation’s most popular vehicles, with car lobby groups saying it could see vehicle prices rise by thousands of dollars each.

      The Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development’s vehicle emissions team on Monday wrote to car distributors outlining the proposal.

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        OriginalSteve

        The Australian govt….killing the country one step at a time…..

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        Robert Rosicka

        According to frypanberg there is no such tax being mooted so if they’re denying it they may be planning it .

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          TdeF

          Fake Denial. The Government has outlined the proposal in a letter to car distributors? It’s in writing.

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            TdeF

            What are the car distributors supposed to do? Cheer? Refuse? It is well past being discussed. They are being informed.

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              OriginalSteve

              Well it will mean everyone will be riding push bikes like peasants – its a new form of fuedalism….

              Its going to backfire big time – australia is a big place with big distances….imagine road trains hauling stock or fuel? Imaghine transport companies?

              So is the Australia govt trying to kill all economic activity?

              I guess you cant have a global govt ( UN ) unless it has a tax base, via every member govt implementing a carbon tax…..

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            TdeF

            Why would car distributors be told and not the public or the parliament or the voters? This is fait accompli, being denied. Or is it another case of Malcolm trashing Frydenburg as he does all his competitors?

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            Oswald Thake

            “Never believe anything until it’s been officially denied.”

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          Graham Richards

          The Tadpole screwed up with his bluster about the non conservative Direction of the Liberal Party, his duplicitous attitude to the Monarchy, so what better diversion than another carbon tax to keep attention from his fast expanding list of messes & blunders.

          This is a very dangerous man. He is destroying he fabric of our society!

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      … after 70 years of cold war since WW2, Russia and the US are finally talking …

      They always have done. The rationale, was the fear of Mutually Assured Destruction. It was a MAD world. The method, was via comparatively low level government representatives “happening to meet” in public places, and accidentally exchanging information, by way of conversation. Plausible deniability, all the way down. But it seems to have worked, since we are all still here.

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      PeterPetrum

      TdeF – I am sorry to be pedantic, but I am and Australian/Scot. There is no such thing as the Queen of England, not since Queen Elizabeth I, the daughter if Henry VIII. She is the British Queen or, more correctly, the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The island of Great Britain consists of the countries of England and Scotland and the Principality of Wales. This a common mistake that Australians and Americans and the English make. It would get you a Glasgow Kiss in Scotland!

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    Yonniestone

    Ergodan will pull back from this waiting for the EU/UN to come begging for numbers and then negotiate a deal where Turkey gets something for nothing, just like the great refugee crisis they helped create.

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    Ruairi

    The U.S. pull-out caused a storm,
    Leaving countries less well-off,lukewarm,
    When the great Paris bash,
    Can’t hand them free cash,
    Then clexit becomes the new norm.

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    Bite Back

    Isn’t it amazing how it’s really all about the money, not the climate or whether the climate may be changing?

    Who would have guessed the truth? Maybe only Donald Trump.

    As for how many others are, “…ahem, honest,” I don’t think you need even one finger to count them all. But maybe someone else will see the light before it’s all over and done with.

    In the meantime they all stand exposed by Turkey.

    BB

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      OriginalSteve

      Yup…emporers new clothes and all that.

      Ironically we see similar rebel genes among the more fringe parties like one nation who seem to reflect the real politik and views of actual Australians, not the views that politicians *think* the people should have.

      Libs and labor- you can’t get a cigarette paper between them and they are not representing people, just their globalist masters. Kerr sacked a govt, I wonder if he could sack the opposition too?

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        Hivemind

        No, Kerr died a long time ago, hounded into an early grave by Whitlam. Whitlam had no control over the Senate and couldn’t get money approved, so Kerr was right to sack him. Whitlam never admitted that Kerr was, though. Instead he refused to attend any function that Kerr was invited to.

        It takes a big man to admit when he’s wrong, and for all that
        Whitlam was taller than me, I still regard him as having been a very small man.

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    Roger

    And the developing nations will keep banging the Climate Change drum and waving their begging bowls for ‘mitigation’ and ‘compensation’ as enjoined to do by the UN … umtil the money flow dries up and then, hopefully, there will be some silence and acceptance that it has all been an illusion.

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      Roger

      BTW Al Gore is reported as heaping praise upon South Australia as a ‘climate leader’ showing the way to a renewable future !
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/11/al-gore-praises-climate-leader-south-australia/

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        David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

        Thanks for that link Roger.
        Gore doesn’t seem to recognise that his – very public – praise of the Weatherill battery is in fact an admission of the unreliability of the wind sources he advocates.
        Cheers,
        Dave B

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        CC Reader

        Does OZ have natural gas?

        WSJ.
        BEIJING—It was a gusher few expected. What began as a trickle of U.S. crude being sold to China is turning into a flood, the result of a surprise American glut that has made the country’s oil cheaper than Mideast rivals just two years after Congress lifted a 40-year export ban.

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          Sceptical Sam

          So let’s see if I have this right.

          USA sells oil to Communist China.

          Communist China sells oil to Communist North Korea.

          North Korea prepares to nuke USA.

          Does anybody want to finish this little charade off for us?

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            Nah, I think I’ll wait for the movie.

            This is all theater – The US has embargoes in place in regard to North Korea, because the North Korean leaders are being very naughty boys and girls, in regard to frightening South Korea, which is friendly with the US, and makes lots of electronic stuff for the US consumer market.

            North Korea doesn’t like the embargoes, because they keep them from selling stuff directly into the US. So the North Koreans build a ballistic missile and fire it in the general direction of the US. This brings China back into discussions, to ask the US to refrain from retaliating in kind; which would not be kind at all, to anybody, especially the South Koreans, who share a border with the North Koreans.

            So the upshot of all this posturing is that they all get to vote for which luxury resort they want to visit to have discussions about who will do what, and how much money will change hands, and how great the resort facilities are.

            Simple, when you know how.

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              Roger

              Hi Rereke,

              I don’t know of anything manufactured by N Korea that could be sold to the US. I could be wrong. I seem to recall that there was a joint manufacturing area set up within N.Korea but that was closed down after they shelled S. Korean islands two or three years ago.

              Around 20 years ago I formally welcomed the regional governor of a South Korean province that runs up to the DMZ, his province was forbidden from having any manufacturing at all in case the N. Koreans burst through the DMZ (invaded) and captured manufacturing facilities.

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            Sceptical Sam

            No?

            OK. Round two:

            Communist North Korea launches another ICBM (or says it’s an ICBM) in the general direction of Japan.

            The USA waits until the “ICBM” is in international airspace, then blows it out of the atmosphere with a anti-ballistic missile. The USA alleges that the Communist North Korean missile was armed and intended for the Japanese city of Hiroshima.

            Is there still nobody prepared to finish this charade off for us?

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        dannz

        The kiss of death from Gore Blimey.

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        Another Ian

        Roger

        Does that mean it is about to snow in SA then?

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      And then scientists will be left with ruin.

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    Mark M

    Looks Like Global Action On “Climate Change” Is Dead

    If you just Google the letters “INDC” (“Intended Nationally Determined Contribution”) along with the name of a country, you can find out exactly what that country has promised to do as part of the Paris Agreement. So let’s take a look at what a few of the big countries are up to:
    “http://manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2017/7/10/looks-like-global-action-on-climate-change-is-dead

    Turkey to build 80 coal-fired power stations: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/06/is-it-too-late-to-stop-turkeys-coal-rush

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    David Maddison

    O/T

    The government and the public serpents that advise them are completely out of touch with reality. Australia is dangerously close to going down the sink hole.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/turnbulls-new-carbon-tax-on-cars-would-raise-prices-by-more-than-5000/news-story/0e98962ef06d7efd6aff592dd37d65d8

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      RobK

      There’s already a tax on the fuel of some 38c/litre or so.

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        OriginalSteve

        A tax on a tax is illegal…unles the govt does it….we have GST and fuel tax on petrol….

        Alternative hydrogen tech cant come fast enough, IMHO….very hard to tax hydrogen….

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          Sceptical Sam

          IMHO….very hard to tax hydrogen

          You’re not serious are you OS?

          If they could tax sunlight in the “Olden Days” they can tax H2.

          If they can tax CO2 they can tax H2.

          Ever heard of a Fuel Cell Tax (FCT)?

          This is how it would work:

          All fuel cells installed would attract the FCT at the rate of 10% of the energy equivalent produced. The amount of tax payable would be costed at the average rate of the national retail price of a KWh of energy purchased off the grid. The tax would be assessed via a fuel cell energy meter attached to the fuel cell. It would be read every two months at the same time as the electricity meter and billed to the consumer accordingly.

          For motor vehicle usage an official H2 meter would be mandated for all vehicles that use H2 as an energy source. Those motor vehicles would have a surcharge attached to their annual registration fee. This would operate as an upfront payment or “Imprest System” with the adjustment to “ons and offs” being subject to annual audits of the metered H2 usage, which would be undertaken by the Motor Registries throughout Australia. Debits would be added to annual registration fees while credits would be deducted.

          The States and Territories would administer the tax and split the proceeds 50:50 with the Commonwealth.

          The 10% FCT rate would be subject to review every 3 years. The FCT would not be tax deductible as a business expense.

          There you go. Easy peasy.

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            OriginalSteve

            Who aid anything about buying from official sources?

            I suspect bypassing a meter would be pretty easy…..hose – meet air intake….no need for injectors, just a gas / air carby. Yes I know H2 can be difficult to handle, but I suspect after market stuff would surface quickly. H2 powered vehicles as opposed to fuel cell driven ones will be around I’d think.

            In the end, people will get sick of being bled by govt and oil companies and just do their own thing….much the same reason as why people rip or downloads CDs…stupidly expensive.

            The problem right now is oil is an easily controlled distribution system, where as H2 is easy to obtain.

            Job done.

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              Wayne Job

              During WW11 people ran cars on wood, the slow combustion of produces a ship load of combustible gas, or charcoal made from wood that does not clog up your engine as much. Taxis all over over the place had huge bladders on the roof full of town gas, all these systems made an engine run. They f me around to much I will be running my ute on wood, I heat my house with it already. Let them try to tax my wood that I grow myself.

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                Sceptical Sam

                Yep. The charcoal burner.

                I’ve still got an original set of blue prints tucked away in my library somewhere. The most efficient charcoal burner ever built in Gunnedah.

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    David Maddison

    Here is a table for new coal power plant construction activity for 2015 and 2016. Australia is a bit of a standout huh? All the countries are racing ahead with coal plant to give them industry-sustaining cheap electricity while Australia now has among the most expensive electricity in the world (and SA the most) and industry is shutting down. Australia is certainly a standout. Even Africa managed to start building 600MW of capacity in 2015. We’re not even doing as well as Africa!

    You’ll have to go to this link to see the table:
    https://energytransition.org/2016/04/global-coal-power-capacity-keeps-going-up-utilisation-goes-down/

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      TdeF

      The rise in East Asia exceeds the total of all the falls. As usual, Australia is proud of doing nothing at all.

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    Robert Rosicka

    Perhaps our political masters want Australia to become a third world country , let’s face it South Australia is already there .

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    FarmerDoug2

    Follow the money.

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    Dennis

    From Piers Akerman Blog, Daily Telegraph

    Ken 13 hours ago

    Good day Mr. Turnbull, where have you been

    “I’m here in London to visit the Queen

    and not only that, I rode with The Don

    and then hitched a lift with young Mr. Macron

    Mr. Macron and I got along well

    Socialists both, as I’m sure you can tell

    It’s here with World Leaders I truly belong

    (Though I don’t think the Queen will give me a gong)

    I love flying away in my personal plane

    It’s a whole lot more comfy than going by train

    But once in a while I suppose I must greet

    Commoners walking to work down the street

    I stop and shake hands and try to converse

    But strangely some people are rather averse

    I can’t understand it , they tell me I’m smart

    (Perhaps it’s because I don’t speak from the heart)?

    No matter, I’m here in London today

    Though the Queen may invite me to shorten my stay

    And fly back to Oz as quick as I can

    Because when I get back it will all hit the fan………

    The Queen said to Phillip “Now where was HE from?

    Australia? Oh, .. Well ,thank goodness he’s gone.

    I didn’t much take to him, seems insincere

    but he’s not a Conservative, that much is clear”

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      TdeF

      Very good. It will all hit the windmills when our one seat Progressive PM (who is no conservative) returns.

      What I find encouraging is that if Abbott came back as PM, he could fix the universally admitted electricity mess in just one move. Repeal the RET. In its entirety. The world’s largest carbon tax, 10x that of Europe.

      If Labor and the Greens agree, it is over. Fight it and they will lose. Call them out.

      A double dissolution election solely on the basis of killing fake and utterly useless electricity prices would be a landslide for Abbott, again. If fighting wrong, excessive, massively profitable electricity prices is Conservative, then the whole country will vote Conservative. Consider even the Queensland government admits profiting massively from overcharging for electricity, all thanks to the markups on the wholesale RET.

      ———–

      This is the Renewable Energy Carbon Tax. The so called ‘Target’ is irrelevant. It is the Tax which is killing us and journalists talk vaguely about embarassing ‘subsidies’. What subsidies? This is all cash paid directly by us to the windmill and solar profiteers and monitored by our Federal government. So the politicians can talk obscurely about ‘markets’ and saving the country from high prices and buying giant batteries. Deceitful loonies. It is only the RET.

      By the way, there are so many people in this ripoff. Consider just the public servants in The Clean Energy Authority, The Clean Energy Council, The Clean Energy Regulator, The Clean Energy Finance Corporation, The Australian Renewable Energy Agency and endless State Government bodies like DWLWP, energy.vic.gov.au. It is endless.

      The new car carbon tax is being announced by letter to car dealers by the “Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development’s vehicle emissions team “. Every government department is inventing carbon taxes! Councils too. The tax on nothing which keeps on giving. All for a good charity. The UN, Al Gore, the Clintons and endless merchant bankers.

      This has to stop.

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        TdeF

        Very good. It will all hit the windmills when our one seat Progressive PM (who is no conservative) returns.

        What I find encouraging is that if Abbott came back as PM, he could fix the universally admitted electricity mess in just one move. Repeal the RET. In its entirety. The world’s largest carbon tax, 10x that of Europe.

        If Labor and the Greens agree, it is over.

        A double dissolution election solely on the basis of killing fake and utterly useless electricity prices would be a landslide for Abbott, again. If fighting wrong, excessive, massively profitable electricity prices is Conservative, then the whole country will vote Conservative. Consider even the Queensland government admits profiting massively from overcharging for electricity, all thanks to the markups on the wholesale RET.

        This is the Renewable Energy Carbon Tax. The so called ‘Target’ is irrelevant. It is the Tax which is killing us and journalists talk vaguely about embarrassing ‘subsidies’. What subsidies? This is all cash paid directly by us to the windmill and solar profiteers and monitored by our Federal government. So the politicians can talk obscurely about ‘markets’ and saving the country from high prices and buying giant batteries. It is only the RET.

        By the way, there are so many people involved and making a living. Consider just the public servants in The Clean Energy Authority, The Clean Energy Council, The Clean Energy Regulator, The Clean Energy Finance Corporation, The Australian Renewable Energy Agency and endless State Government bodies like DWLWP, energy.vic.gov.au. It is endless.

        The new car carbon tax is being announced by letter to car dealers by the “Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development’s vehicle emissions team “. Every government department is inventing carbon taxes! Councils too. The tax on nothing which keeps on giving. All for a good charity. The UN, Al Gore, the Clintons and endless merchant bankers.

        This has to stop.

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          TdeF

          Carbon tax. The Tax on breathing.

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            Dennis

            TdeF unfortunately most Australians are very worried about rising electricity price but do not know the reasons, and the MSM is not helping.

            But I agree with you that an election fought on RET could result in another landslide win for the politicians who made RET their centrepiece campaign item.

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              David Maddison

              That’s why I have repeatedly said that we need a clear and concise explanation about how the RET works, in simple terms so even a politician or the sheeple can understand it. It would preferably be in graphic form as a meme that could be widely posted on social media.

              Compare it to a carbon tax, and the world’s most expensive one at at that!

              If it was widely understood how it worked, it would be abandoned immediately.

              LET’S DO THIS!!!

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                Dennis

                Yes please.

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                TdeF

                David, I have sketched it out many times, simply from the Renewable Energy Act(Electricity) 2000 and amendments and the current price of the LGC and STCs. All this is payment for the RIGHT to use fossil fuel. It is not for the fuel.

                You have to buy on LGC for every Mega Watt Hour you want to sell to the public. The price is here and it has dropped from $90 to around $78, so 9c to 7.8c a kwhr. kwhrs people understand.

                The government does not get involved except to supervise the sale of LGCs. These are audited and you are fined $65 a MWhr if you do not present them. It is also made clear that this is NOT for power. This is for the right to buy fossil fuel electrical power

                The beauty of this scheme is that it is not on your electricity bill. It is on the bill which has to be paid by your electricity retailer. So I believe he doubles it and you pay twice for nothing. Thats 16c to 18c for nothing. Then you have to pay for electricity, 4c for coal, 9c for wind. As wind must be bought, the average price would be more like 5c. So you are up to 19c to 23c for electricity instead of 4c.

                Now the real killer which is making so much money. Your retailer has to make money. They mark up their costs, like very other trader in the world. In my experience, roughly 2x. So you can pay 38c to 46c for something which cost them 5c and used to cost 4c before wind towers.

                The STC is similar but they calculate the carbon tax in advance over the next 15 years and hand it to the installer typically and it can be around $5000 to $8000 carbon tax in advance. These STCs are an alternative to the LGCs. All done at a wholesale level.

                Then you also have to pay for feed in tariffs, lunch time solar with rates which have dropped but you are still being forced to pay for electricity no one wants.

                Overall this means the middle man makes a fortune. The wind generator gets paid simply for generating electricity and again if it is sold, although it does not have to be sold to earn money.

                A corollary of this is Dr Quirk’s calculation that as all fossil fuels are treated equally, natural gas with half the CO2 per kw has actually double the carbon tax. He calculates $100 per tonne for coal and $200 per tonne for natural gas, so it is all crazy.

                By the way, from the Green banks the actual cost of production, which is quite separate from the RET is

                Brown coal – 40 $ per MWh
                Black coal – 50 $ per MWh
                Gas – 60 to 100 $ per MWh
                Wind – 100 $ per MWh
                Solar (large scale) – 200 $ per MWh
                Solar (small scale) – 250 $ per MWh

                so the RET forces you to buy much more expensive power as well.

                From the same page

                CARBON TAX

                The RET act is very careful to not mention carbon or tax. Legally it is not even a tax, just a mandatory
                payment from your electricity supplier to some owner of a wind farm or effectively a home solar system. All getting your money for nothing. To save the planet?

                Brown coal – 1.3 tonne of CO2-e per MWh
                Black coal – 0.9 tonne of CO2-e per MWh
                Gas – 0.4 to 0.6 tonne of CO2-e per MWh
                Wind/Solar – 0 tonne of CO2-e per MWh
                (carbon dioxide equivalent (CO2-e) as there are a number of gases, but mainly CO2)

                So at $80 per Mwhr, the RET is a Carbon Tax can be calculated as follows

                Brown coal – 1.3 tonne of CO2-e per MWh $61 a tonne
                Black coal – 0.9 tonne of CO2-e per MWh $89
                Gas – 0.4 to 0.6 tonne of CO2-e per MWh $200 a tonne

                What this means is that the carbon tax is highest on the fuel with the least CO2. Clever.

                Remember, this is charged at Wholesale to your electricity supplier

                The carbon tax at retail then (assuming a x2 markup for handling) is

                Brown coal – 1.3 tonne of CO2-e per MWh $122 a tonne
                Black coal – 0.9 tonne of CO2-e per MWh $198 a tonne
                Gas – 0.4 to 0.6 tonne of CO2-e per MWh $400 a tonne

                and you can compare this with Gillard’s now defunct $23 a tonne Carbon tax.

                We should count ourselves lucky that it has dropped from $90 a MwHr to $80 a Mwhr in the last year.

                There may be some ramifications of changes to the Act which I am not across, changes to STCs etc. but you can see we easily have the world’s highest Carbon tax. 20x as much as any other country. As the IPA announced on the front page of the Australian Newspaper, $3B of this goes overseas. As much again stays in Australia and everyone is making heaps of money, even the Queensland government. Plus no one is technically paying a tax. It is enriching third parties for no benefit at all and forcing the closure of the biggest, most efficient, cheapest power stations so prices will keep rocketing.

                Exactly what goes on between wholesale and retail I do not know. There are multiple parties covering wholesalers and distributors and lines and poles. Everyone is rolling in cash, in my opinion. So I have guessed at a x2 markup on the carbon tax which is the RET. It also explains why you can get a much better deal if you haggle but it is all wrong in my opinion, enrichment by edict of third parties, something which was driven out of English tradition by Magna Carta. You should not be expected to pay third parties directly. A tax is a tax and the parliament is answerable.

                This is not a tax. It does not go into General revenue. You are being forced to make strangers overseas rich. It is a foreign carbon tax at the world’s highest rate by far.

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                TdeF

                The upshot of all this is that
                1. the RET is working as intended, killing ultra cheap coal power stations.
                2. the money is amazing, at least half heading overseas
                3. it is not a tax as the cash goes nowhere near the government
                4. the word carbon is not mentioned, so it cannot be a carbon tax. (They use the word fossil)

                and most importantly
                5. remove the RET and this whole stack of cards comes down.

                As Alan Kohler said, renewables are cheaper. The ‘subsidies’ are an embarrassment to Malcolm Turnbull and unnecessary.

                So remove the RET. Let windmills pay their own way and undercut brown coal.

                Hazelwood could be started in a week. Why not? Also perhaps as Daniel Andrews to drop the coal price back to the old price. Hazelwood closed soon after, so it was not intended to increase government income but to break the back of the loss making Hazelwood operation.

                Let the windmills stand. Let people buy their own solar systems.
                By the way, if you sell into the grid, you are locked into the grid. If the grid stops, all the solar stops too. So disconnect solar from the grid. Why should we have to pay for people who have no solution at night?

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                TdeF

                David, I had hoped someone could check all this and perhaps look at an electricity vendor like AGL and their accounts and verify the impact of LGCs and STCs. A forensic accountant perhaps. Then draw your graphs. The market is complex but the LGC concept is simple. A carbon tax at up to $400 a tonne for the right to produce CO2. Otherwise perhaps someone could explain why a giant operation like Hazelwood was forced to close? As Tony can verify, it was flat out in the last month generating and selling electricity, so it is not too old. The whole situation is absurd and 200,000 families are on government assistance to pay these ridiculous and unnecessary rates, which is us paying again. Plus the subsidies to Alcoa, Whyalla, Port Pirie in the hundreds of millions to employ people to do very little as the businesses cannot make a profit either.

                Who will rid us of this RET?

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                TdeF

                Perhaps to summarize.

                Assuming only a 2x markup between wholesale and retail

                Carbon tax currently being paid for the right to burn fossil fuels.

                Brown coal – 1.3 tonne of CO2-e per MWh $122 a tonne
                Black coal – 0.9 tonne of CO2-e per MWh $198 a tonne
                Gas – 0.4 to 0.6 tonne of CO2-e per MWh $400 a tonne

                This is enrichment of random third parties as legislated by the Renewable Energy Act (Electricity) 2000 and based on the cost of LGCs and STCs on the market today and likely as passed onto the electricity consumer.

                This is NOT for energy. Most of this money goes overseas. We the voters of Australian own nothing for this massive expenditure. Not even pink batts.

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          Bodge it an scarpa

          TDEF, I recall Tony mentioning a week or so prior to Hazelwood’s closure that the turbines would not be capable of being restarted due to the massive weight of the stationary armatures bending the shafts and damaging the bearings.

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    KinkyKeith

    For a long time now I have associated the word “leader”, as in political leader, with the word Leming.

    I now see that I was mistaken because of the fact that the consequences for the “leaders” of the Leming horde and our political leaders are not the same.

    The Lemings create a leader by pushing from the inside of the pack until one of those at the edge feel a shove, move outwards and “lead” his fellow packmates over the edge.

    The human variety of leader fares much better. He is never in danger and and actually benefits when his electors are pushed over the edge. Points are awarded by the U.N. and G20 for how much of your voters cash you can bring to those revered organisations.

    We live in an age where it is so easy to mislead, misdirect and manipulate the vast hordes and lead them to the ultimate goal, Slavery.

    True leaders would never behave in the manner of our current world leadership.

    And people wonder why Trump was elected.

    Perhaps he is the first of the New, and much needed, Real Leaders.

    No more fakery.

    KK

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    pat

    Tim Blair has the sorry tale, including the denial as regards the “family” car:

    12 Jul: Tim Blair Blog: PUNISHERS AND STRAIGHTENERS TAKE YOUR MONEY AND WANT MORE
    Greenist goons within the Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development’s Vehicle Emissions Team – my God, what a fun crowd that must be – are pushing for a car emissions tax.
    The costs, as the Daily Telegraph reports, would be ridiculous (LINK)…READ ALL
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/punishers-and-straighteners-take-your-money-and-want-your-money/news-story/cd4dfda24032ed8f0cee543580310d34

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    David Maddison

    AGL has a full page advert in today’s Herald Sun proudly proclaiming that they’re getting out of coal by 2022.

    How do they propose to produce a product when the wind stops blowing and the sun stops shining?

    Who would invest in a company like that?

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      Dennis

      It would be interesting to be the fly on the wall in an AGL Boardroom meeting of directors.

      How many “bright young things” and older fools would there be?

      It’s all about the bottom line, profit and dividends for shareholders, and when governments penalise fossil fuel burning power stations and offer generous subsidies for profit from renewables the 5 Year Plan and projection into later years looks good, even if they understand that the wind and solar equipment has less than 20 years of effective working life.

      After all, write the equipment off and obtain tax concessions.

      And there is little the consumers can do to escape the rip off.

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      TdeF

      It’s a bit like heads of major companies pushing gay marriage. Self aggrandisement.

      AGL will sell everything but if people do not object to spending $6Billion a year on windmills and solar and middleman electricity companies, who would invest in coal?

      The RET makes Pink Batts seem like spare change and at least some people did get Pink Batts. However has anyone calculated how much CO2 they saved? Or how much electricity prices went down? Or CO2 volume? Or was it all a great waste of money for a fantasy like windmills.

      At the political level, it is politicians chasing the Don Quixote vote. Malcolm’s Liberals.

      I might quote Robert Menzies

      “Coal is vital. It is vital to the farmer, the manufacturer, the householder. Without it we can have neither full employment nor full production. We must therefore, get coal. We must have adequate reserves as a guarantee against unemployment.”

      and on Malcolm’s liberals in 1974

      “The main trouble in my state is that we have the State Executive of the Liberal party, which is dominated by what they now call ‘Liberals with a small l’ — that is to say, Liberals who believe in nothing but who still believe in anything if they think it worth a few votes. The whole thing is tragic…”

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    pat

    10 Jul: Guardian Nigeria: AFP: Germany downplays Turkey threat to reject Paris climate accord
    PHOTO CAPTION: Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan speaks at the 22nd World Petroleum Congress (WPC) on July 10, 2017 in Istanbul.
    Germany Monday played down a threat by Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan at the G20 summit not to ratify the Paris climate accord, saying Ankara’s concerns related to its financing.
    Asked about Erdogan’s comments at the gathering in Hamburg on Saturday, Chancellor Angela Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert noted that the summit of the world’s biggest industrialised and developing economies had agreed that 19 of its members — including Turkey — would stick with the 2015 plan to fight global warming…

    Seibert said that Turkey’s desire to be classified as a developing country was “known” and was “already discussed during the Paris negotiations”.
    “I can say for the German government — and it also applies to the other governments for which the implementation of the Paris accord is very important — that of course we will to continue to work with Turkey so that it can ratify Paris,” he said.
    An environment ministry spokesman said that Germany was “mediating” in the dispute with Turkey.
    https://guardian.ng/news/germany-downplays-turkey-threat-to-reject-paris-climate-accord/

    10 Jul: Andalou Agency: Germany to address Turkey’s concerns on climate deal
    Berlin says deputy environment minister to hold talks with Turkish officials to discuss Ankara’s demands
    By Ayhan Simsek
    Germany will address next month Turkey’s concerns on Paris climate agreement after Ankara made its ratification conditional upon the fulfilment of promises made last year, the spokesman of the Environment Ministry said Monday.

    Deputy Environment Minister Jochen Flasbarth will hold talks with relevant Turkish officials in August to discuss Ankara’s concerns, Stephan Gabriel Haufe told a news conference in Berlin.
    He said Turkey wanted to be classified as a developing country to be eligible for the Green Climate Fund…

    (Chancellor Angela Merkel’s spokesman) Steffen Seibert spoke hopeful of a solution that would make Ankara to ratify the agreement which it signed last year.
    “It is known that Turkey wants to be classified as a developing country. This was also discussed during the negotiations of the Paris agreement,” he said. “We will continue to work with Turkey so that it would be in a position to ratify the Paris agreement”.

    As part of the climate deal, industrialized nations pledged financial support for developing countries for climate protection measures, technology transfer and capacity building programs.
    http://aa.com.tr/en/europe/germany-to-address-turkeys-concerns-on-climate-deal-/858381

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      KinkyKeith

      It won’t be much longer before Australia qualifies for “developing nation” status.

      Then we can dip into the flow of other enslaved nations cash.

      KK

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    Egor the One

    The Penny Drops…..No free money ?….Then Bon Voyage to the Paris climate Hajj !

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    pat

    fossil fuels rule!

    11 Jul: EurActiv: Turkey voices energy ambitions at World Petroleum Congress
    By Georgi Gotev
    The 22nd “World Petroleum Congress” is underway in Istanbul, from 9 to 11 July, attended by dozens of ministers of different countries, hundreds of top executives and thousands of participants, under the theme of “Bridges to Our Energy Future”.
    https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/turkey-voices-energy-ambitions-at-world-petroleum-congress/

    9 Jul: Andalou Agency: Top US diplomat receives World Petroleum Council honor
    Rex Tillerson presented with Dewhurst Award
    By Diyar Guldogan and Handan Kazanci
    Tillerson, a former ExxonMobil CEO from 2006 to 2016, received the award for his “outstanding contribution to the oil and gas industry”.
    Addressing the 22nd World Petroleum Congress, the largest meeting of the oil and gas industry, Tillerson said at the Istanbul Convention Center: “I am humble to receive this recognition.”
    Tillerson said his success was the result of his team and whole staff of ExxonMobil.
    He also said Turkey was an “important” partner in the promotion of greater energy security since it has been at the crossroads of energy resources, along supply roads…

    “The U.S looks forward to engage with Turkey on projects that will increase global energy security such as the Southern Gas Corridor and Eastern Mediterranean Gas,” he added.
    The Southern Gas Corridor, which plans to carry Azeri gas all the way to Italy, is considered critical for Europe’s future energy needs and for lowering dependence on Russian gas.
    The project is planned to be operational in 2018 with an initial capacity to carry 16 billion cubic meters (bcm) of Azeri gas through Georgia to Turkey…
    http://aa.com.tr/en/corporate-news/top-us-diplomat-receives-world-petroleum-council-honor-/857705

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    Hasbeen

    BRAVE NEW CARBON NEUTRAL PLAN announced just yesterday by our lady clown Annastacia Palaszczuk.

    Even now the clowns up here are still planning to buy ratbag votes with a carbon neutral plan by 2030.

    They obviously don’t live in the same world we do, or are so dumb that can’t read the writing on the wall.

    Of course they are matched by Turnbull & most of his supporters.

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    pat

    more from Istanbul. our MSM not interested in this story.

    naturally, Bloomberg inserts a little renewables PR into the story, and omits Aramco boss’s statement that “Rising demand for all sources of energy — with oil and gas at the heart of the mix — will be the reality for decades to come” (see AFP/Phys.org link below):

    11 Jul: Bloomberg: Aramco to Spend $300 Billion as CEO Frets About Oil Supplies
    By Wael Mahdi
    Saudi Aramco, which plans what could be the world’s biggest initial public offering, will invest more than $300 billion over the next decade to maintain its spare oil-production capacity and explore for more natural gas, President and Chief Executive Officer Amin Nasser said.

    The outlook for oil supplies is “increasingly worrying,” with about $1 trillion in investments lost during the current industry downturn and fewer new deposits being discovered, Nasser said at a conference in Istanbul. Some estimates suggest that at least 20 million barrels a day of new output is needed over the next five years to offset rising oil demand and the natural decline of developed fields, he said.

    “There seems to be a growing belief that the world can prematurely disengage from proven and reliable energy sources like oil and gas, on the mistaken assumption that alternatives will be rapidly deployed,” Nasser said in a speech on Monday. The petroleum industry will be at the heart of global energy ***for years, and the transition to use of alternatives will be “long and complex,’ he said…

    “Looking at today’s energy mix, the expectations for alternatives are through the roof,” Nasser said. While acknowledging that electric vehicles are gaining in popularity, he said they currently make up less than two-tenths of one percent of the world’s 1.2 billion vehicles and were unlikely to account for more than 10 percent of the global fleet by 2030…

    Aramco plans to spend $300 billion on projects over the next 10 years to maintain its spare oil production capacity, the biggest by far in OPEC, and boost exploration and output of conventional and unconventional gas, Nasser said…

    Aramco plans to double its production of gas resources to 23 billion cubic feet a day over the coming decade, Nasser said. The forecast increase will raise the share of gas in the kingdom’s utilities to about 70 percent, the “highest of any G-20 nation,” he said…
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-10/aramco-to-spend-300-billion-as-ceo-frets-about-world-oil-supply

    10 Jul: Phys.org: AFP: Oil, gas key to world energy for ‘decades to come’: Saudi Aramco boss
    With the global economy forecast to grow sharply as populations increase, he said it is a “mistaken assumption that alternatives will be rapidly deployed”.
    “Rising demand for all sources of energy — with oil and gas at the heart of the mix — will be the reality for ***decades to come,” he said…
    https://phys.org/news/2017-07-oil-gas-key-world-energy.html

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    Geoffrey Richard Cousens

    Ha!

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    manalive

    “Primary energy (PE) is an energy form found in nature that has not been subjected to any conversion or transformation process. It is energy contained in raw fuels, and other forms of energy received as input to a system. Primary energy can be non-renewable or renewable …”(Wiki).
    When considering the penetration of different energy sources into the market PE is obviously the fundamental measure to use.
    Reading ms media and blog posts, links etc. of renewable puffery it’s easy to get the impression that renewables are going gang-busters and taking over the market.
    But a picture (from a reliable informed source) shows that globally renewables (olive green) form a minuscule share of the total PE market and, as in Germany, are merely replacing nuclear with no net decrease in CO2 emission — and how totally implausible is the notion that they could possibly take over from the rest.

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    behind paywall at WSJ:

    11 Jul: Marketwatch: from WSJ: How energy-rich Australia exported its way into an energy crisis
    By Rachel Pannett
    No. 2 seller of liquefied natural gas holds so little in reserve it can’t keep the lights on in Adelaide—a cautionary tale for U.S.
    On a sweltering night this February, the world’s No. 2 exporter of liquefied natural gas didn’t have enough energy left to keep its own citizens cool.
    A nationwide heat wave in Australia drove temperatures above 105 degrees Fahrenheit around the city of Adelaide on the southern coast. As air-conditioning demand soared, regulators called on Pelican Point, a local gas-fueled power station running at half capacity, to crank up.
    It couldn’t. The plant’s operator said it wasn’t able to get enough natural gas quickly to run its turbines fully. At 6:03 p.m., regulators cut power to 90,000 Adelaide homes to prevent a wider blackout.

    Resource-rich Australia has an energy crisis, one that offers lessons for America as it prepares to vastly increase natural-gas shipments abroad.
    Australia now exports so much liquefied natural gas, or LNG, it may overtake No. 1 exporter Qatar within several years. It exported 62% of its gas production last year, according to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy.

    Yet its policy makers didn’t ensure enough gas would remain at home. As exports increased from new LNG facilities in eastern Australia, some state governments let aging coal plants close and accelerated a push toward renewable energy for environmental concerns. That left the regions more reliant on gas for power, especially when intermittent sources such as wind and solar weren’t sufficient…LINKS TO WSJ FOR THE REST OF THE ARTICLE
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-energy-rich-australia-exported-its-way-into-an-energy-crisis-2017-07-11?siteid=

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    no mention of any CAGW-related “research”, but this does make one wonder! lengthy, full article available:

    11 Jul: WSJ: Hidden Influence: Paying Professors: Inside Google’s Academic Influence Campaign
    Company paid $5,000 to $400,000 for research supporting business practices that face regulatory scrutiny; a ‘wish list’ of topics.
    By Brody Mullins and Jack Nicas
    Some researchers share their papers before publication and let Google give suggestions, according to thousands of pages of emails obtained by the Journal in public-records requests of more than a dozen university professors…
    In some years, Google officials in Washington compiled wish lists of academic papers that included working titles, abstracts and budgets for each proposed paper—then they searched for willing authors, according to a former employee and a former Google lobbyist… READ ALL
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/paying-professors-inside-googles-academic-influence-campaign-1499785286

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    Dennis

    We should ask the politicians why governments continue to support the export of Coal and Gas, and accordingly our Coal and Gas being burnt in foreign lands if there is a climate change disaster approaching.

    And why small by world standards population Australia has to lower emissions further given that Australia has met all of the Kyoto Agreement targets to date and is in position to meet or beat future targets via Direct Action commenced by the Howard Coalition government.

    The answer of course is that this is all about international socialist political agenda and crony capitalism wealth creation at our expense.

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    11 Jul: ScoopNZ: Advancing regional climate change finance priorities
    Press Release: Secretariat of the Pacific Community
    Nadi, Fiji – Climate Change and Finance government representatives from eight Pacific Island countries meet this week to discuss climate change finance.
    These discussions have the overarching goal to assist the present countries with accessing climate change funds.

    A series of Regional Climate Change Finance Meetings is underway at the Tanoa Hotel in Nadi, Fiji to advance the implementation of the USAID Institutional Strengthening for pacific island countries to Adapt to Climate Change (ISACC) and DFAT/GIZ Climate Finance Readiness in the Pacific (CFRP) projects. Both projects are implemented jointly, to provide countries with integrated approaches.

    Twenty participants representing eight countries from Federated States of Micronesia, Fiji, Kiribati, Palau, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu and Vanuatu are in attendance…

    These meetings come on the back of the Climate Action Pacific Partnership event held in Suva (3-4 July), at which climate change financing was one of the key sectors discussed within the framework of the Marrakesh Framework.

    ***The Green Climate Fund (GCF) meeting in Tonga next week will also provide participants with an opportunity to share some of the lessons learned from the implementation of the ISACC and CFRP projects…

    The multi-country regional climate change finance projects are implemented by the Pacific Community (SPC), Pacific Islands Forum Secretariat (PIFS), Secretariat of the Regional Environment Programme (SPREP) and the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Internationale Zusammenarbeit (GIZ) GmbH with support from the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and the Australian Department for Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT).
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1707/S00038/advancing-regional-climate-change-finance-priorities.htm

    10 Jul: ClimateChangeNews: UN climate fund criticised for accrediting growing list of private banks
    Growing number of multinational banks becoming conduits for UN climate funds means money will not reach certain projects, NGOs warn
    By Mantoe Phakathi
    By March last year, the GCF had accredited 22 entities among them three multi-national banks – Deutsche Bank, HSBC and Credit Agricole. At its recent meeting on 6 July, the board further accredited the Bank of Tokyo Mitsubishi (BTMU), much against protest from NGOs observing the process…

    “Banks prefer proposals on energy systems for mitigation which they co-finance so that part of the funding is a loan and the rest a grant,” said (coordinator of the Asian People’s Movement on Debt and Development Lidy) Nacpil. In this way, she argued, banks make money by offering investors who want to focus on mitigation projects such as renewable energy part of the funding as loans while the GCF provides the grant.
    “This will disadvantage humanitarian institutions with adaptation projects in need of a 100% grant because they will be ignored by the accredited banks in their countries,” said Nacpil…

    BTMU, a Japanese bank, was among five other institutions the GCF accredited including the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA). Civil society organisations accused both BTMU and JICA for funding fossil fuel projects.

    “This board meeting did a disservice to the reputation of the fund,” said Karen Orenstein, the deputy director of economic programme at Friends of the Earth USA. In what she called the worst GCF board meeting she has ever attended, Orenstein criticised the board for “not prioritising the needs of poor people but putting political agendas and egos first.”

    This was after her showdown with the co-chair, Ayman Shasly, who prevented Orenstein who was representing civil society organisations (CSOs) from naming the entities whose accreditation they were challenging. This happened during the meeting which was streamed live on 6 July. Shasly also allowed CSOs to deliver their statement only after the board had approved the entities, making the views of NGOs redundant.

    When Orenstein challenged Shasly about this, he said the co-chairs are allowed to use their discretion to invite NGOs to make a statement and when they should speak…READ ON
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/07/10/green-climate-fund-criticised-accrediting-private-banks/

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    12 Jul: Reuters: Transcript of Reuters interview with EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt
    Writing by Richard Valdmanis

    REUTERS: There have been reports about the EPA launching what has been called a red team-blue team review of climate change science. Can you tell us more about this? Will this lead to a re-evaluation of the 2009 endangerment finding that carbon dioxide endangers human health?

    PRUITT: I’m thinking about it. Steve Koonin, professor at NYU, did a very exciting piece in the Wall Street Journal called Red Team Blue Team. I scheduled time with Steve in my office the week that article came out. I didn’t know it was coming out… So Steve and I were meeting about some other things, and we didn’t really focus on that, but I took the opportunity to talk to him about it and … we’re considering it. I think the American people deserve and honest, open, transparent discussion. What do we know? What don’t we know? Does it pose an existential threat, what can be done about it? etc… There are lots of questions that have not been asked and answered. Who better to do that than a group of scientists? Red team scientists and blue team scientists getting together and having a robust discussion about that for all the world to see. So, I’m not a scientist, I’m an attorney. That does beg the question because there is a follow-up question to that, which is what can be done about it [climate change] that is statutory and legal? But as I’ve shared with senators in the confirmation process, Congress has never responded to this issue. If you ask people that amended the Clean Air Act in 1990, including [former Michigan Democratic] Congressman Dingle, he is endlessly quoted as saying that if you try to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act of 1990 that it would create “a glorious mess.” …

    It was extraordinary what the Supreme Court did [in its 2014 ruling on the Utility Air Regulatory Group v. EPA case. The court backed the EPA’s ability to regulate greenhouse gases from mobile and stationary sources but threw out its “tailoring rule,” which revised the statutory thresholds for requiring federal air permits for greenhouse gases.] It said a lot. It said the authority the previous administration was trying to say that they had in regulating carbon dioxide wasn’t there. So there are two parts to this question: what do we know/what don’t we know? And two, what is the response…the statutory response? The red team blue team is intended to be a response that provides answers to the American people… the American people deserve, in my view, an open transparent honest discussion about this issue…. So we are contemplating being a part of that process…

    REUTERS: The consensus has been overwhelming that climate change has been caused by human beings…

    PRUITT: That’s not the question. It is not a question about whether the climate is warming. It is not a question about whether human activity contributes to it. It is a question about how much we contribute to it? How do we measure that with precision? And by the way, are we on an unsustainable path? And what harm…is it causing an existential threat? There is another great piece in the New York Times by Brett Stephens, I think it was, that talked about the climate of complete certainty. His whole premise is that there is a basis of consensus we know but the politicians have done what? Created an elasticity approach. They’ve stretched it so far that it’s reached a point where the credibility is being strained. That article, along with the red-team blue-team, I think those book-end this approach where we have a discussion about that. Some of the blue team scientists – they say oh we are not going to participate in that. Why not? Why don’t you want to participate? It’s like the New York Yankees according to them. It’s like the New York Yankees playing a Little League team. If you’re going to win and if you’re so certain about it, come and do your deal. They shouldn’t be scared of the debate and discussion. That’s what science is all about. That’s what scientific debate is about. Let’s get red team scientists in. Let’s get blue team scientists in. Let’s let them question one another. That would be exciting to see.

    REUTERS: But what would it look like?

    PRUITT: It’s in its formative stages. The idea is a good idea because it’s an idea that advances science. It advances discussion. It advances transparency. It advances for the American people to consume and participate through this debate because there is not consensus on this issue. How do we know that? There has been no policy response. That’s why we haven’t seen Congress act because there has been such a question. It’s not a question about whether warming is happening or whether we are contributing to it. That’s not what we are debating. It’s how much? To what degree? The precision of measurement. Does it pose a meaningful threat? Is it unsustainable? There is a host of questions that will be asked and answered during the process. It’s exciting.

    REUTERS: But how would this be brought to the public? Would you put it on television?

    PRUITT: “I think so. I think so. I mean, I don’t know yet, but you want this to be open to the world. You want this to be on full display. I think the American people would be very interested in consuming that. I think they deserve it.”

    REUTERS: How do you guarantee the objectivity of scientists? Make sure there are no conflicts of interest?

    PRUITT: That’s why the red team blue team matters. Steve modeled this after national security and defense [exercises] – they kind of check one another. There is a consumption, an evaluation and interpretation. They will check one another.

    REUTERS: Congress hasn’t legislated on the endangerment finding. Will this scientific review lead to a review of the endangerment finding?
    READ ON FOR THE ANSWER TO THIS PLUS PARIS AGREEMENT, GREEN CLIMATE FUND, ETC ETC…
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-epa-pruitt-text-idUSKBN19X01Z?il=0

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    David Maddison

    Don’t forget Climate Hustle movie tonight in Melbourne.

    You will need to have tickets. See Jo’s post from late last month for links to booking although booking might be closed now (not sure).

    I will be there.

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      I’m afraid I can’t make it David. Too much going on up here. I hope the DVD becomes available soon.

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    12 Jul: Mackay Daily Mercury: LNP calls for inquiry into power
    by Campbell Gellie
    QUEENSLAND is an exporter of electricity, sending power from its power plants and solar farms to fuel New South Wales and sometimes Victoria’s energy needs.
    But while the Sunshine State churns out power, electricity prices have continued to rise which has resulted in the State shadow treasurer calling on the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission to launch an inquiry into Queensland price gouging.
    Meanwhile, in Cairns the deputy premier Jackie Trad announced a plan to have zero emissions by 2050…

    Meanwhile, opposition leader Tim Nicholls said the policy was throwing construction and mining jobs in the scrap heap and further increase Queensland’s power prices.
    The ACCC is currently involved in a public inquiry into electricity supply and prices in Australia, but shadow treasurer Scott Emerson has asked for the inquiry to specifically look at the State-owned power stations forcing up power prices.
    Because more than two-thirds of the state’s power is generated by government owned corporations its prices are regulated by the Queensland Competition Authority, which in May handed down a 7.1% increase of regional house electricity prices.
    The State Government intervened and forced the power generators to live off a 3.3% increase.
    But Mr Morrison said a 70% increase in spot prices from 2015/16 financial year to 2016/17 was price gouging…

    And the Liberal National Party is hanging its hat on the increased power prices, announcing it would make the construction of a new coal-fired power station in northern Queensland a priority project if it was to win government.

    The Daily Mercury understands the party has been contacted by at least six companies interested in building or managing the proposed high electricity low emission coal fired power station.
    Opposition leader Tim Nicholls has said by introducing another competitor to the market and another supplier, power prices would decrease in regional Queensland…
    https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/lnp-calls-for-inquiry-into-power/3199317/

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    12 Jul: Townsville Bulletin: DOMANII CAMERON: Emissions plan threat to resource sector: Leaders
    STATE and federal leaders have slammed a plan to drastically reduce Queensland’s net carbon emissions to zero by 2050, claiming the “hypocritical” move would place a strain on the North’s resources sector.
    Deputy Premier Jackie Trad and Environment Minister Dr Steven Miles announced the Queensland Climate Transition and Adaptation Strategies yesterday, which laid out plans to reduce carbon pollution while preparing communities for a warmer climate.

    Federal Resources Minister Matt Canavan said the State Government needed to come clean on whether the new policy was “payback for their Adani decision”…
    “Are they trying to do a deal with the Greens?” Mr Canavan said. “I think Queensland deserves to know what the preferences are – this might be a small reflection of those discussions with the Greens.”
    Mr Canavan said the policy would increase power bills.
    “Our problem in North Queensland is that we want to continue growing,” he said.
    “That means higher carbon emissions if we do develop but what is their modelling?”

    Ms Trad said the target would allow the state’s workforce to pivot from the resources sector to renewable jobs.
    “By adopting this target, we know that we will drive investment in renewable energy and we will drive investment into research and new technologies,” she said in Cairns.

    Opposition Leader Tim Nicholls said the target was a “real slap” for the North, which relied on the resources sector.
    “It is a recipe that will kill jobs across Northern Australia, it’s a recipe for higher electricity prices and a recipe for carbon tax,” he said.
    “It is incredibly hypocritical to release this glossy brochure just a month after pretending that they supported the Adani resources project.”

    Senator Ian Macdonald said having zero carbon emissions was “fairyland stuff”.
    “Australia emits less than 1.2 per cent of the world’s carbon emissions,” he said.
    “Each fortnight in India they open a new coal-fired power station. For Australia to suggest that by cutting our emissions by even 50 per cent (would make a difference) is just ridiculous.”…READ ON
    http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/emissions-plan-threat-to-resource-sector-leaders/news-story/745a9766924097a1b2dceef1d9d26635

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      Thanks pat, off topic I know, but this is intersting:

      STATE and federal leaders have slammed a plan to drastically reduce Queensland’s net carbon emissions to zero by 2050, claiming the “hypocritical” move would place a strain on the North’s resources sector.
      Deputy Premier Jackie Trad and Environment Minister Dr Steven Miles announced the Queensland Climate Transition and Adaptation Strategies yesterday, which laid out plans to reduce carbon pollution while preparing communities for a warmer climate.

      This is utterly disingenuous, and I feel sure that NSW might have something to say about this, but as a sidelight, let me assure you that this will NEVER happen.

      Now I’m doing this Base Load thing something interesting that’s showing itself, and in fact, there’s quite a few really, and I’m finding something new each day, so the task I set myself is in fact enlightening to say the least.

      Queensland is regularly supplying around 1000MW plus into NSW, and the Interconnector is 1200MW Qld to NSW.

      Even at 4AM, Queensland is supplying NSW Base Load to the tune of 550 to 900MW, and at Peak time of 6PM, that ramps up to the full 1200MW, virtually every day.

      Queensland has a total coal fired Nameplate of 8200MW, and currently, at that Peak time every day, all those coal fired units are generating 7200MW, and at 4AM, that only drops to 5600 to 5900MW, and Queensland’s Base Load is usually around 5100MW.

      It’s not a point of running those coal fired plants and dumping the excess, because it doesn’t work like that. The power that is being generated must be consumed.

      It’s not a case of that Queensland power getting as far as Victoria, so I would say that Qld is supplying that power (on a daily basis) into Northern NSW.

      Incidentally, while Victoria is supplying power into SA and Tasmania, it is also supplying some into Southern NSW as well.

      I’m (literally) quite surprised that NSW is in such a problematic position with its power, and I have serious doubts that even ancient Liddell will be closing any time soon, as at most times all four of its almost 50 year old Units are generating power for that State.

      I’m of the opinion that it is NSW which desperately needs a new large scale coal fired plant, and soon too.

      The problem with Queensland is its decentralisation.

      Victoria has the greater population, but less power consumption, because Victoria is more centralised while Queensland is spread out along the vast coastline.

      Matt Canavan et al is correct to say that North Queensland is crying out for a large scale coal fired plant, mainly because of that decentralisation problem.

      They will not be closing any of those Qld coal fired plants any time soon, no matter what anybody says.

      Tony.

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        John Watt

        Tony,

        The sad part of this is that we cannot get Trad or Bailey to acknowledge the work of John Nicol or David Evans. It seems they would rather be disciples of Gore the Messiah.

        John

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        RobK

        Thanks for your analysis Tony. It’s good work.

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    while our energy sector is in total disarray, all ABC RN flagship news progs today – AM, Breakfast, The World Today – have begun with Don Jr talked to a Russian person, as probably will PM, 7.30 Report & Lateline etc. taxpayers pay for that?

    meanwhile, more unelected Australians have a lot to say:

    12 Jul: SBS: AAP: Electricity sector ‘must do more’: report
    The electricity sector may have to cut emissions by at least 45 per cent on 2005 levels by 2030 if Australia is to meet its reductions targets
    An analysis by ClimateWorks, published on Wednesday, found a reduction of 26-28 per cent – as modelled by chief scientist Alan Finkel – was not enough.
    And the sector was well-placed to slash emissions beyond its proportionate share, head of research Amandine Denis-Ryan said in a statement.
    “Our research shows Australia’s electricity sector can cut emissions by 60 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030, which would allow Australia to achieve its current 2030 target without additional action in other sectors,” she said…

    ClimateWorks, founded by The Myer Foundation and Monash University, has recommended the federal government set a national goal of net zero emissions by 2050 – as already pledged by South Australia, the ACT, Victoria, NSW, Tasmania and Queensland.
    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/07/12/electricity-sector-must-do-more-report

    12 Jul: ClimateWorks: Australia’s electricity sector needs to ‘decarbonise’ faster to meet emissions reduction targets
    The report Power Up: Australia’s electricity sector can and should do more to deliver on our climate commitments (LINK), was prepared to inform federal and state governments ahead of this Friday’s COAG Energy Ministers meeting, which will discuss the recommendations of the Finkel Review…READ ALL
    https://climateworks.com.au/story/media-release/australias-electricity-sector-needs-decarbonise-faster-meet-emissions-reduction

    11 Jul: ClimateWorks: ClimateWorks Australia welcomes Queensland net zero emissions target
    ClimateWorks Australia has strongly supported Queensland in its work to set a net zero emissions reduction target.
    For reference, the technical report can be found here (LINK TO PDF DOC)
    https://climateworks.com.au/story/media-release/climateworks-australia-welcomes-queensland-net-zero-emissions-target

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      hard to believe these people

      ClimateWorks Staff
      Anna Skarbek (Maternity Leave), Chief Executive Officer
      Prior to ClimateWorks, Anna was based in London where she applied her skills as a specialist investment manager and advisor dedicated to raising and deploying capital for low carbon activities as Vice President of Advisory at Climate Change Capital. She has also worked as a Senior Policy Advisor to the Victorian Deputy Premier, an investment banker for Macquarie Bank and as a solicitor with Malleson Stephen Jacques.
      Anna is a Director of the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, a Director of Green Buildings Council Australia, a Trustee of the Sustainable Melbourne Fund, a member of the Wentworth Group of Concerned Scientists, a member of the Grattan Institute’s Energy Program Reference Panel and a member of the Leadership Forum for Energy Transition for Australia.
      Previously Anna has served on the South Australian Government’s Low Carbon Economy Expert Panel, the Victorian Climate Change Act Independent Review Committee, the Australian Government’s Energy White Paper Reference Panel and the former Australian Government Land Sector Carbon and Biodiversity Board, as well as with the NGO Roundtable on Climate Change…

      Amandine Denis-Ryan, Head of Research
      Prior to joining ClimateWorks, Amandine worked as a management consultant for McKinsey and Company in Sydney, advising clients in both the public and private sector on a wide range of matters including strategy, sustainability issues and carbon abatement opportunities and associated policies…

      Rob Kelly, Research Projects Manager
      Prior to ClimateWorks, Rob worked at Bloomberg New Energy Finance, analysing the potential impact of carbon offset schemes in Australia as well as at KPMG where he was a Senior Accountant specialising in audit and advisory…

      Claire Painter, Project Manager
      Claire has co-authored the reports ‘The Path Forward for Electric Vehicles in Australia’ and ‘Towards Fuel Efficient, Lower Emission Light Vehicles’.
      Prior to joining ClimateWorks, Claire was a Senior Associate for the Climate Policy Initiative. In this role, Claire project managed the organisation’s global initiative to drive billions of dollars of private investment into climate change mitigation and adaptation in developing countries.
      Claire has also worked for the Australian Department of of Industry where she delivered a range of business services and programs including under the Clean Energy Future strategy…

      Adam Majcher, Engagement Manager
      Prior to joining ClimateWorks, Adam headed up the Australian branch of Al Gore’s ‘The Climate Reality Project’, developing and supporting joint leadership programs across the Asia Pacific region. He is also co-founder of Common Cause Australia, an organisation dedicated to engaging values that contribute to a more sustainable society…
      https://www.climateworksaustralia.org/staff

      2010: Quadrant: ClimateWorks for Labor
      Marc Hendrickx: “Why did the ABC not report on the obvious and easily located links between ClimateWorks Australia and the Australian Labor Party?”
      Marc Hendrickx on ClimateWorks Australia, the ALP, and the ABC:
      The report failed to mention that ClimateWorks Australia board members (there are only 6) include:
      John Thwaites: former Labor Deputy Premier of Victoria and ALP member, and
      Mark Dreyfus: a serving member of the current Labor Government.
      Sam Mostyn: Former staffer to Labor PM Paul Keating
      Also of note is that ClimateWorks executive director Anna Sarbek is a former Ministerial Advisor to John Thwaites
      Marc Hendrickx’s complaint to the ABC…ETC
      https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2010/03/climateworks-for-labor/

      today’s Board and Advisory Panel (some changes):
      https://www.climateworksaustralia.org/board

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        Geoffrey Richard Cousens

        A great many greedy buffoons.I remember,a reply to those so called”concerned scientists”was to creat a group of”very concerned scientists”.

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    pat

    good luck understanding this!

    12 Jul: SMH: Matthew Knott: Environment Minister Josh Frydenberg says there will be no new ‘carbon tax’ on cars, but prices may still rise
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/environment-minister-josh-frydenberg-says-there-will-be-no-new-carbon-tax-on-cars-but-prices-may-still-rise-20170711-gx9efj.html

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      Dennis

      Did he say no carbon tax on fossil fuels used in motor vehicles?

      Volvo Sweden recently announced that they will no longer produce conventional motor vehicles, only pure electric and hybrid electric models.

      The reason being the soon to be in force EU fuel consumption Standard which Volvo believe cannot be achieved any other way than what they are planning.

      It has been a very costly agenda to date, first banning Lead in Petrol, then banning Sulphur in Diesel and noting all the costs of modifying oil refineries and engines to use the new fuels.

      Next came the recommendation for motorists to choose Diesel to obtain better fuel consumption results and after that was achieved the ruling was that Petrol was better because Diesel emissions were unacceptable.

      Slowly but surely moving to ban fossil fuels and promote electric powered vehicles, or hybrids if needed, as in heavy road transport.

      The cost to the world economy has been huge.

      And now our federal government is planning to further damage our cost of living and economic prosperity.

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        Geoffrey Richard Cousens

        Real pollution in London is right back up to the very worst on record.All thanks to diesel.

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          OriginalSteve

          I always find diesel cars funny…or sludge burners as I call them….how many people bought them feeling smug, only to have the whole obvious pack of cards come crashing down once it was obvious the tests were being gamed……

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    9 Jul: Daily Star: Rampal power plant project: ‘12 countries favoured Bangladesh at UNESCO meeting’
    Says Prime Minister’s Energy Adviser Tawfiq-e-Elahi Chowdhury
    A total of 12 countries including Turkey and Finland voiced in favour of Bangladesh which finally convinced the World Heritage Committee of UNESCO to withdraw its objection about Rampal power plant near the Sundarbans, the prime minister’s energy adviser said today.
    With the latest stance of UNESCO, the international debate over the coal-fired power plant has been resolved, said Prime Minister’s Energy Adviser Tawfiq-e-Elahi Chowdhury.
    He also urged the activists protesting the construction of the power plant near the world’s largest mangrove forest to change their stance as well…

    Refuting environmental activists’ concern with the dissemination of fly ash, he said the power plant will produce ash in solid form and later be used for other industrial purposes…
    Meanwhile, Bangladesh Power Secretary Monowarul Islam said the first unit of the power plant will go in production in June 2019 while second unit in December the same year.
    http://www.thedailystar.net/country/rampal-power-plant-project-sundarbans-world-heritage-12-countries-favoured-bangladesh-unesco-1430533

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    12 Jul: Inverell Times:
    The Acting-Prime Minister and Member for New England, Barnaby Joyce, inspected the progress of the $600 million Sapphire Wind Farm which is under construction near Glen Innes.
    He also helped turn the sod at White Rock Solar Form on Monday.
    The wind farm, which is aimed to be a 270 MW capacity station, is the biggest in the New England region…

    “This project along with other similar projects in the region make the New England area the leader in renewable energy production and export, and will help Australia reach its renewable energy targets,” Mr Joyce said…
    He said that combined with the $400 million White Rock Wind Farm and the $41.4 million White Rock Solar Farm, the Sapphire Wind Farm brings the investment in renewable energy generation in the Glen Innes and Inverell areas to more than $1 billion.

    “At 270MW and with 200m tip height wind turbine generators, the Sapphire project will be the tallest wind farm in Australia and the largest in terms of capacity in NSW; delivering power to over 115,000 homes across the New England,” head of development for CWP Renewables Ed Mounsey said.
    “Together with other committed and proposed renewable energy projects in the region, the Sapphire Wind Farm project is leading the charge towards making the New England area a net energy exporter,” he said…
    http://www.inverelltimes.com.au/story/4785779/joyce-inspects-progress-of-sapphire-wind-farm/

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    pat

    left out Inverell Times headline:

    “Barnaby Joyce visits Sapphire Wind Farm construction”

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    pat

    apparently this means Morano will be on tonight:

    11 Jul: Bolt blog: On the next The Bolt Report – Labor frontbencher Anthony Albanese and the alternative to Al Gore – Marc Morano, in Australia to promote his own film on global warming. But this one isn’t going to get the Greens cheering.
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/tips/news-story/77a373ad95661c03764c01ffb8d7cb2e

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    Keep in mind that only a very small number of Countries would be required to pay money to support those more than 150 other Countries. Far and away the largest of those Countries (by amount levied) is the U.S. so they become the largest contributor, and every other Country not on that short list just has their hand out. The amounts are calculated on how much CO2, and those other GHG’s, all costed at the price of CO2 and then multiplied, as shown by the list at this link.

    Something lost in all this is the vast sum involved.

    There have been numerous ‘models’ raised on what price to set Carbon (Dioxide) at, and the general consensus is the low end should be around 30 Euros per Tonne.

    Even at the low starting price, well what that means the income from just the U.S. is astounding.

    Just on the CO2 emissions alone, that cost imposed on the U.S. would be

    $222.5 BILLION ….. per year,

    and that’s just on the CO2.

    With the U.S. pulling out of that Paris Agreement, there goes all that money, so now those Countries with their hands out now will not have access to that vast sum of money.

    No wonder they are beginning to think that there’s no real point in it any more.

    Tony.

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    john

    This is wonderful news. I wonder why it wasn’t reported more widely?

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    Geoffrey Richard Cousens

    I wonder who will be next;Zimbamwe?Whoops,their on the”get paid”list.It’s all so confusing.

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    TdeF

    Amazing commentary on the Mann vs Ball case in Canada and the ‘truth’ defence, unique to Canada. July 7th. Nothing since.

    “Balls words become the truth when, after six years of litigating on it, Mann finally decides he is better served, at the last minute, by ripping up his legally-binding undertaking. By abandoning his legal burden to show his data, Mann chose to fail because he risked a worse fate by showing his hidden ‘science’. By his own omission to disclose, Mann chose the less severe of the outcomes. The more severe would likely warrant Mann’s incarceration in the state penitentiary.

    Now the court must rule Ball told the truth. Mann’s omission to prove those words untruthful makes them truthful under the law. Mann does, indeed, belong in the state penitentiary for the very reasons Ball and many global warming skeptics have said repeatedly; Mann’s “Nature Trick” when creating his graph was fraud to the level of criminality.”

    On the principle of res judicata it would likely end the two other US law suits. The basis of the IPCC report will have been found to be based on criminal deception in one respected jurisdiction.

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      I suppose there is no point fretting about the Mann vs Ball case in the Canadian Supreme Court. It has taken six years so far, so I guess it will be three months to the next step, in the Fall. The case against Steyn had to be restarted from scratch when Mann was found to have claimed falsely to be a Nobel Prize winner or co-recipient. Dr. Ball is out of pocket by $1Million, his life savings but continuing and with another case against him in October. Mann’s approach is to stall his own cases and to outspend the people he sues. Justice delayed is justice denied.

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    PeterPetrum

    The world media said that Trump has given up world leadership. The rest of the G20 countries have said that they will exhibit the courage to carry on and leave the US in their wake.

    In reality Trump’s US is leading and I knew the rest would follow. I must admit to some surprise it is happening so soon. Which country will next be honest enough to say they hear the pied piper’s pipes?

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    pat

    12 Jul: Courier Mail Editorial: Premier calls the shots with anti-coal crowd
    Conversely, Ms Palaszczuk, now the Queensland Premier, put on a masterclass performance in Cairns on Tuesday night that federal leaders like Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten could learn much from…

    Activists opposed to Adani’s Carmichael coal mine had obviously concocted a strategy to hijack the event and embarrass the Premier at the Brothers Leagues Club. Instead they were schooled by Ms Palaszczuk…

    Too often these activists have gotten away with their absolutist rhetoric about ending all coal-fired power while being wilfully ignorant of the consequences. They blithely refuse to acknowledge that Adani’s alternate coal sources outside the Galilee Basin would be a worse outcome for emissions.

    And while they revere global agreements on climate change, they ignore the fact that Adani’s future emissions from its Indian power stations will have to be within the limits of the Paris Agreement.

    Their attempts on Tuesday night to shirt-front the Premier may prove the nadir of their campaign.

    While Ms Palaszczuk’s premiership has had its shortcomings, her success in negotiating the internal minefield that is coal mining and Labor politics has often been underestimated.

    Her parliamentary party room is dominated by Left faction acolytes – whose leader Jackie Trad is vulnerable to a Greens surge in the seat of South Brisbane…

    So full credit to Ms Palaszczuk for how she handled the tough questioning from the Cairns crowd who didn’t turn up to be assaulted with platitudes. It was a positive sign to see the Premier tackle the activists head on, to highlight some truisms about jobs, the economy and energy demand…
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/editorial-premier-calls-the-shots-with-anticoal-crowd/news-story/4f0098d54c5fb07fbed74d0ceff324f7

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      pat

      unfortunately, this is how the Cairns meeting is being reported by most of our MSM, courtesty of AAP.
      no surprise this is what partly-taxpayer-funded SBS is carrying:

      12 Jul: SBS: AAP: Qld premier faces howls over Adani mine
      Protesters interrupted Annastacia Palaszczuk’s town hall meeting in Cairns on Tuesday night, chanting “no, no, no” in opposition to the mine.
      But the premier told them jobs were vital and coal mining would not cease in Queensland: “Coal is going to be a part of our energy mix for many years to come,” she said.
      “Rubbish!” the protesters howled in reply.
      They later interrupted the meeting by bursting into song…

      Mine opponents, climate activists and reef scientists say new coal mines like Adani’s simply cannot be allowed to proceed when the dire state of coral reefs worldwide is already well documented.

      This week, former US vice president and climate action campaigner Al Gore implored Australia not to build the mine, saying there was a choice to make between a huge new coal mine and the Great Barrier Reef.

      Last month, former Australian Institute of Marine Science chief scientist Charlie Veron, who’s credited with discovering 20 per cent of all coral species, said federal approvals for the Adani mine must be overturned.

      “Coal mining is the number one danger to coral reefs now in the whole world. If we wipe out coral reefs, we are going to crash the ecologies of the oceans,” he told the ABC.
      http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/07/12/qld-premier-faces-howls-over-adani-mine

      shut down AAP! lol.

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    pat

    note: CGTN (China Global Television Network), formerly known as CCTV-NEWS, CCTV-9, and CCTV English International, is a 24-hour English news channel, of China Central Television (CCTV), based in Beijing…Owned by China Cenral Television (Government of the People’s Republic of China) – (Wikipedia)

    12 Jul: CGTN: World Petroleum Congress supports Paris climate deal
    By CGTN’s Michal Bardavid
    Hot topics in the field of energy are under discussion at this year’s World Petroleum Congress in Istanbul, where the Paris Agreement has caught the most attention (LOL – pat)…

    “I hope that the US will revise their position, but I think that you have Europe, you have China, India, who are committed, all these three regions represent more than 50 percent of the emissions so you know Paris Agreement is a matter of necessity for the planet, including for oil and gas companies,” Patrick Pouyanné, CEO of Total SA, a French oil and gas conglomerate said…

    But it’s not only the US that might create obstacles to the deal.
    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said that Turkey would not support the deal if promises made by former French President Francois Hollande were not kept…

    And though the US withdrawal has created an obstacle in the process, it seems leaders in the energy field are determined to stick to it.
    According to Mohammed Barkindo, Secretary-General of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), all member countries of OPEC support the climate accord for building a better energy future…
    https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d596a4e7963444e/share_p.html

    from cached version:

    11 Jul: Recharge: Renewables loom large at World Petroleum Congress
    by Fabio Palmigiani and Anamaria Deduleasa in Istanbul
    Meanwhile, Norway’s Statoil has been working relentlessly to reduce carbon dioxide emissions and remain ahead of the curve when it comes to supporting the Paris Agreement.
    According to Statoil senior vice president of sustainability Bjorn Otto Sverdrup, a low-carbon footprint will make the company more competitive in the future…

    Marc Hauchecorne, senior vice president of strategy at France’s Engie, said the industry is already adapting corporate strategies in several ways to produce energy from cleaner sources, with many oil majors developing a strong renewables business.
    “We need oil, natural gas and renewables, but it is important to say we need less coal,” Hauchecorne said…

    12 Jul: France24: AFP: ‘No quick fix’ for challenges facing oil majors: BP’s Dudley
    ISTANBUL (AFP) – Global oil companies are facing the twin challenges of an abundance in supply coupled with pressure to reduce carbon emissions and there is no “quick fix” solution, the chief executive of BP said on Wednesday…
    Dudley argued that while global oil demand was still expected to rise by one third in the next decades, “what is new is the increase in supply”, especially due to the exploitation of US shale reserves.

    “We now have abundant supply. It’s a fact of life,” he told the World Petroleum Congress (WPC) in Istanbul…
    “We have half a century’s worth of oil and gas in our proved reserves alone. And there is much more out there,” he said, pointing to untapped shale reserves in Argentina, Algeria and China.

    Meanwhile, after the Paris Agreement on combatting climate change set targets for reducing emissions, oil majors need to “make our business fit for a low carbon world”, he said…
    “History shows our industry has taken on these kind of challenges many times before and succeeded,” he said…

    Dudley said this underlined the “the advantages of gas” in bringing an abundant and relatively clean energy source to consumers…
    http://www.france24.com/en/20170712-no-quick-fix-challenges-facing-oil-majors-bps-dudley

    u have to laugh at the CAGW zealots who claim to believe Big Oil is against the CAGW scam.

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