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Worldwide: Over 1,200 laws aim to change weather — need more to limit downpours, seas, storms

Welcome to paleolithic politics: in this version, the witchdoctors are syndicated and with lap tops.

OSLO (Reuters) – Nations around the world have adopted more than 1,200 laws to curb climate change…

Patricia Espinosa, the U.N.’s climate change chief, … said the findings were “cause for optimism”…

Because more laws are always good.

Forty-seven laws had been added since world leaders adopted a Paris Agreement to combat climate change in late 2015, a slowdown from a previous peak of about 100 a year around 2009-13 when many developed nations passed laws.

All those new laws and global temperatures peak anyway. Must be depressing for legisladocktors.

Too many laws is never enough:

“We don’t want weaklings in the chain,” said Martin Chungong, Secretary General of the Inter-Parliamentary Union. He urged all countries to adopt laws that help limit downpours, heatwaves and rising sea levels.

I’m with him. Why not speed limits for winds?

h/t Climate Depot

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146 comments to Worldwide: Over 1,200 laws aim to change weather — need more to limit downpours, seas, storms

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    ossqss

    LOL, I can see someone getting a ticket for passing wind (literally and figuratively) on the highway over the speed limit.

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      Spetzer86

      A similar law may already be on the books: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-12363852

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      Yonniestone

      That Gas Law sounds Ideal……..

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      The first thing that came to mind when I started to read this were speed (sorry, safety) cameras. The philosophy is much the same, to grab taxpayer money under the guise of safety/saving lives.

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        Rick Will

        The speeding tax is easy to avoid – just set the cruise control.

        The electricity tax can be avoided by making use of the transfer payment offered to make your own.

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          Hivemind

          The electricity tax can be avoided by living like they do in South Australia – without lights.

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          Actually you can’t avoid road safety taxes using a cruise control.

          It was recently reported that many people were taxed on, I think, the Peninsular Highway (Vic) even when using a cruise control set to the safe designated speed limit. Also, on hilly/undulating roads, cruise controls are notorious for not maintaining the safe designated speed limit and mobile safety patrols are always located in such locations. The government has every safety angle fully covered.

          We are unable to make our own electricity via taxpayer subsidies because we live in a location with tall trees. Trees are sacred and so cannot be removed in order to allow the proliferation of taxpayer subsidised renewable energy systems that would save the planet.

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            AndyG55

            “so cannot be removed in order to allow the proliferation of taxpayer subsidised renewable energy systems ”

            They can so be removed…. if you want to put up a wind turbine !!

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          yarpos

          speed cameras exist other than on country highways, you would be a fool to use a cruise control elsewhere (assuming you have one)

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            Rick Will

            I use speed control where ever the road ahead is clear. It is very effective in 40kph zones where few drivers actually travel at or below the limit. So with cruise control engaged I inevitably have clear space ahead. The cameras in these locations make a fortune.

            The only location I have seen speed cameras on downhill runs in Australia, where the cruise control is not holding speed, is at the entrance to tunnels. The last time I paid the tax was in such a location but my aversion to paying tax improved my knowledge on such situations.
            http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/news/melbournes-top-speeding-camera-nabs-drivers-near-chadstone/news-story/9ec275589c21f169ad1ecbe6725681ee

            I also use a GPS on trips and it provides my true speed over the ground so I set the cruise control to set the GPS at the limit. My car speedometer reads 1 to 2% high. The wide torque band of the diesel means it controls within a narrow range.

            It has been 15 years since I paid any speeding tax. My wife has never paid this tax in 45 years of driving on a daily basis.

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          old44

          Just drove from Tamworth to Newcastle, 100 limits, 100 limits with roadwork 80, 60, 40 limits, 80 limits with roadwork 60, 40 limits, 60 limits with roadwork 40 limits, school zone 40 limits and to top it off, a 40 limit school zone with a 40 limit sign. Average speed cameras being erected all over the place and of course the obligatory [snip] who takes it upon himself to drive at 5-30kph under the speed limit unless there is a overtaking lane where he goes 10kph over to prevent you from passing. None of our finest to get him off the road.

          Uniformed branch of the NSW Taxation Office

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      Dennis

      Oh no, first alcohol breath analysis, then drugs and next methane?

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        Within Parliaments, that follow the Westminster tradition, bad laws are often referred to as being odious or even pungent.

        So here we have with a pungent law that is intended to address pungent odours

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        Annie

        No, no! Carbon dioxide Dear Boy!

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      sophocles

      Jo said:

      I’m with him. Why not speed limits for winds?

      and ossqss said

      I can see someone getting a ticket for passing wind …

      Well, we can’t complain as long as:
      1. It’s the wind which is indicted for exceeding its speed limit and not me.
      2. It’s the wind which is fined, not me.
      3. It’s the wind the goverment collects from, not me.

      Unfortunately, I can foresee some significant problems in there.

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    Yonniestone

    For all the laws concocted by climate Soothsayers the most important one is always overlooked, the Law of Averages.

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      Graeme No.3

      They have also overlooked a law to limit snow fall. Oh! I forgot – 2007/2010/2015/20?? children won’t know what snow is.

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      sophocles

      Yonniestone said:

      For all the laws concocted by climate Soothsayers the most important one is always overlooked,

      Yes. Business as usual is not a steady, continuous state. It too changes …

      I wonder how their models will handle the coming Solar Minimum …
      My guess is that growing coolth which the models haven’t projected (remember: the models never predict) is really going to confuse the poor things.

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    Ruairi

    Earth’s weather is riddled with flaws,
    From the crust to the high tropopause,
    Which the warmists now fight,
    And expect to put right,
    By more and more climate-change laws.

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    RobK

    Thanks Jo,
    Beautifully written.

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    Oliver K. Manuel

    All this climate nonsense began with a logical error in the way nuclear energy was calculated in 1935: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Nuclear_Energy_Error.pdf

    That’s why we do not understand the energy that powers the Sun, the cosmos and sustains our lives: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/HIGHER-POWERZ.pdf

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      Oliver K. Manuel

      Trump just pulled another ‘gator from the Washington, DC swam:

      https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2017/05/09/comey-fired-thread-for-current-trump-ing-events/#comment-83087

      The most dangerous ‘gator, the US NAS, has at least temporarily castrated the new Secretary of Energy, Rick Perry.

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        Oliver K. Manuel

        The US NAS (National Academy of Sciences) annually reviews the programs and budgets of federal research agencies for Congress.

        After destroying the credibility of federal research agencies by insisting that they all support the globalists (UN’s) AGW nonsense under past administrations, the US NAS will now review budgets and programs of Trump’s new directors for federal research agencies, like EPA, DOE, NASA, NSF, etc.

        That’s why it is almost impossible to drain the swamp around Washington, DC

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          JoeV

          How could Trump know this unless you tell him Oliver, what has happened to all but perhaps the Chinese & the Russian National ASs ?
          He seems more open to reason that other more administrative types might brush off.

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    John F. Hultquist

    All these silly laws remind me of one that was introduced, but not passed. It was to establish the exact value of Pi.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

    The Indiana Pi Bill is the popular name for bill #246 of the 1897 sitting of the Indiana General Assembly, one of the most notorious attempts to establish mathematical truth by legislative fiat.

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    Is the rise and rise of the climatariat enabled by having several generations born into gaming, into an ingrained notion that massive and complex forces can be controlled from a kiddie console? Too much indoor amusement from an early age? Too much synthetic aggression, too many cost-free mistakes and facile triumphs?

    The kool kidz just need push the right tax buttons and pull the right regulation levers to correct the wrong pushes and pulls of the previous non-cool generations and v’la…there’s your stable climate!

    That’s what the climatariat really is: an extension of gaming culture and a retreat from nature and observation.

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    Robber

    Given that we all exhale CO2, what next, a tax on every breath? But then we need sensors to monitor the output. So the harder you work or exercise, the more tax you pay. Be a sloth and help to save the planet.

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      TdeF

      The output of CO2 from breathing from the extra 2 billion people in China and India far exceeds our total CO2 output. So we should sell them coal on condition that they kick back and breathe slower, saving us from having to shut our own power plants. Our partygoing Foreign Minister Julie Bishop could have a word at the highest level and perhaps even lowering the tempo of dance music would make all the difference. I blame Bollywood.

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      James

      There is a radio comedy in Australia call ‘How Green Was my Cactus.’ It is still going after 30 years. During the Hawke/ Keating years, during one episode the Treasurer, Mr Paul Greaser I think they called him was coming up with new taxes. He came up with two NBT taxes. One was the National Breathing Tax. The other was National Bedroom Tax. He like the National Breathing tax as the only way to avoid it was to stop breathing, and die!

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        Eddie

        That was tried in Scotland in the Eighties. The Poll Tax had to be modified to a property based tax after being introduced to England & ending the reign of PM Thatcher

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    Drapetomania

    Its always laws..for the little people..never for the one`s that create them.
    But have no fear..the babbling halfwits who believe that “sciency stuff” are no different.
    I once met a real life Al Gore advocate who had done the Gore Training at a special seminar..
    I walked past two cars in the driveway..saw the Gore photo inside..
    I made a joke about flannery..

    poor tim should never have made any predictions

    Forget the fact that the predicitions were all wrong and have cost us zillions..
    My last attempt was..that I wished solar panels were cheaper..and more viable.
    Response(now remember this is a Gore clone who is a true believer)

    They are cheap now

    .
    Is this house off the grid ?
    sheepish look

    no

    They appear to be in some form of trance like state repeating consensus thought bubbles that sound cool…
    And all drive cars and are conencted to the grid..but see no problem with that..
    Perhaps Jo could do a thread where we all send in “hilarious” $CAGW$ encounters we all have had..? :)

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      OriginalSteve

      Last weekend I was trying to convince a rather clever physics laser boffin who had worked in the Valley etc and now worked at a uni that spending 50K on a tesla 3 would not be cost efficient. ( to his credit, he does do track days at Wakefield in his supercharged Elise )

      Yes petrol saving is one thing, but had he factored in the cost of battery replacement as well? I dont think he was going to keep the car long enough to have to do that battery replacement.

      His approach was mostly financial, I doubt he cared much about climate, which was refreshing…normally when you talk climate to an academic, if you mention skepticism, they in a rather Pavolvian way have their eyes roll back in their heads like mad cows and you need to start running…..

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        Willard

        Tesla and electric cars in general must be very confronting for you Steve, put yourself at ease is with this website , http://stoptesla.com

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          Mark D.

          What have you got Willard? A frigging link?

          Right.

          Look up the meaning of troll.

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            el gordo

            Willard is more a snake oil salesman, this from his link.

            ‘Together, we can prevent the future from happening.’

            Wow, just wow.

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          David Maddison

          Willard, Teslas are US taxpayer-subsidised toys for rich people, not alternatives to gasoline powered cars. And in any case, where do you think the electricity to recharge them comes from? Mostly fossil fuels. All you are doing is changing the location of the CO2 emissions, not that CO2 is a problem anyway.

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            Dennis

            And another example of products that could not be marketed without hefty government subsidies, and even with them very expensive toys.

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              Willard

              Dennis, would you like to point out these government subsidies and show which ones are NOT available to other US vehicle makers prepared to make electric vehicles employing Americans on American soil?

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            Willard

            David, Tesla are USA built cars employing US locals paying taxes to the US government, these cars ( and batteries for non-car use) are sold within the USA and ever increasingly to the overseas market, this is very different to other US Vehicle makers that built their products outside of the USA (Mexico for instance) employing non USA citizens who pay no tax to the USA government, these vehicles are then transported to the USA and sold to US citizens.
            Where do I think the electricity comes from to recharge them? Multiple sources, one of the best is to take the huge amounts of energy it takes to refine oil and use it to make electricity to directly power a far more efficient system of electric propulsion, but as you say, CO2 is not a problem so what’s your issue?

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            Carbon500

            The battery casings? Plastic from the oil industry? Any comments as to exactly what’s in these environmentally safe planet saving batteries, and how they’re disposed of?

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              Please don’t ask Willard any tough questions. He’ll just change the subject or ignore you.

              Tony.

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                Willard

                Rare to see you play the man and not the ball Tony, but then I guess your recent continuing negative posts concerning the future of energy and transport is wearing a bit thin to the readers on here who see the enevitable, those with their backs to the wall will try anything in desperation.

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    TdeF

    You have to marvel at how everyone avoids saying the obvious with cute phrases like

    “combat climate change”
    “curb climate change”
    “Climate Change chief”

    The one, the only, the essential part of Climate Change is Global Warming which isn’t happening and not to be mentioned. That is caused solely and wholly by CO2 which is showing no signs of slowing despite 250,000 windmills or even causing the slightest problem with sea levels or anything else. In fact it is greening our planet.

    Besides
    “stop CO2″
    “curb CO2″
    “CO2 chief”

    would just sound so silly.

    Why not a war on H2O which is the equal product of combustion, blocks the sun with clouds and actually kills people by drowning and is the essence of all storms.

    No, the war on CO2 must continue! The greatest moral challenge of a generation. The fact that it is complete nonsense must be hidden from public view. Exactly like our Renewable Energy Act, never, never mention Carbon or Tax. Talk about incentives and renewables and do not even mention the climate.

    We should also ban real war. That was the basis of the UN formation, the fundamental agreement between Nations. No more war. Except on CO2. After all, CO2 caused the war in Syria. There was no other motivation. As US Comedian Bill Maher said, the US is equally guilty of gassing Syrians with CO2.

    It would be high farce if people weren’t so serious about spending so much of other people’s money but their motives are pure and the self sacrifice of Al Gore and Tim Flannery has them in line for canonization. Perhaps with a real cannon?

    I prefer Tony Abbott’s statements, Climate Change is crap and socialism masquerading as environmentalism. That was when we actually had a Prime Minister, not another rich dilettante.

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      OriginalSteve

      The formation of the UN is a new attempt at building a Tower of Babel.
      And we all know how the last one went…

      Genesis 11:

      “Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
      As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

      They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.

      Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

      But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building.

      The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.

      Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

      So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.

      That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.”

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        TdeF

        Interesting. It’s is also evident that nowhere in the Bible or New Testament or Koran or Talmud does God actually mention CO2 or industrialization or fossil fuel. The church of the IPCC does.

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          OriginalSteve

          Well it gets more interesting :

          So God created mankind in his own image,
          in the image of God he created them;
          male and female he created them.

          28 God blessed them and said to them,

          “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.

          Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

          ( Gen 1:27-28 )

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            sophocles

            blockquote>Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

            Hmph, that’s not the Word of God. It’s Anthropogenically Polluted.

            He did not grant any right to rule, He granted “dominion over” which is quite different and has obligations attached.

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              Annie

              A better translation I think Sophocles. Dominion implies caring for the creation as well as using it.

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    TdeF

    Then there is the idea that a change of 1C is a total disaster. We have had +1.5C since 1900 apparently and I cannot see any devastation, mass drownings, more storms, sea level rise. The problem with old cities like Rome is that they keep rising, not falling. The sea port of Ostia is now 40km inland. Stockholm had to be moved because of land rises.

    So we are to believe CO2 is causing a rolling disaster by moving an average when the temperature at the tropics cannot change, the temperature range in high latitudes is -40C to +40C and the South pole is -25C even in mid summer? I have never understood where there is a problem? According to ABC science educator Robyn Williams, Sydney was supposed to be under 100 metres of water by 2100, so it should be under 30 metres of water by now. Being utterly wrong never fazes these experts.

    Has anyone actually seen a noticeable sea level rise in their lifetimes? Every year the snows come and go from the High Plains of North America, Europe and the massive areas of Siberia but no one drowns in Copenhagen or New York from sea level rise.

    Never has such as scare with no visible problem generated so many laws and so much spending to achieve absolutely nothing. The world might do better to worry about nuclear proliferation, but that’s too hard. Better to make trillions from a war on CO2.

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      Carbon500

      TdeF: Agreed absolutely! The late Harold Lewis, Emeritus Professor of Physics and former Chairman of the Department of Physics, University of California, saw it this way when he wrote his resignation letter from the American Physical Society (APS) – what follows is an extract from his very scathing full text.
      He said:
      ‘It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read A.W.Montford’s book, which lays it bare and organizes the facts very well. I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word ‘scientist.’
      But who’s listening? Sigh.

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    Ross

    Just when they thought they were getting some where with more and more laws and they have Obama prattling on in Italy about eating too many hamburgers affects the climate some very inconvenient research pops up.

    ‘U.S., Norwegian, and German scientists report back on the surprising results of an Arctic Ocean research expedition.
    The ocean waters near the surface of the Arctic Ocean absorbed 2,000 times more carbon dioxide from the atmosphere than the amount of methane that escaped into the atmosphere from the same waters, according to a study by the USGS Gas Hydrates Project and collaborators in Germany and Norway.’
    ‘“If what we observed near Svalbard occurs more broadly at similar locations around the world, it could mean that methane seeps have a net cooling effect on climate, not a warming effect as we previously thought,” said USGS biogeochemist John Pohlman, who is the paper’s lead author.’
    https://www.usgs.gov/news/ocean-absorption-carbon-dioxide-more-makes-methane-emissions-seafloor-methane-seeps

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    Robber

    Another example, the Australian RET law that mandates increasing usage of “renewables” for electricity generation.
    A snapshot of the last 24 hours shows the problem.
    12 noon. (MW)
    Fossil 19,500 Hydro 1,500 Wind 250 Solar 220
    6pm.
    Fossil 23,000 Hydro 2,500 Wind 200 Solar 0
    12 midnight.
    Fossil 19,000 Hydro 1,800 Wind 750 Solar 0 (Note wind nameplate capacity is 4,300 MW)

    So “renewables” providing 9-12% of supplies, most of that from hydro, yet by 2020 they are to provide 23.5%. And when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow, good old fossils must be available 24/7. Now tell me how we are going to get cheaper electricity?

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      OriginalSteve

      “Tell ‘em theyre dreaming”….

      - The Castle

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        TdeF

        Turnbull’s an ideas man. He suggests digging holes and pumping water uphill.

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          wert

          So Turnbull is about to use water to create sustainable electricity? Are we talking about the dry continent?

          Don’t tell he’s about to spoil ground water by using sea water!

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      Dennis

      Don’t forget that if union controlled Labor and their Green partners can form government in 2019 the intend to raise the RET to 50 per cent, Electricity Bill Shorten says.

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      David Maddison

      Where does all the money go?

      We are all paying (say) 9c extra per kWh on electricity bills and this goes to the wind and solar producers that only produce 5 percent of the electricity.

      There are vast amounts of money transferred from the consumer to the unreliables producers for providing almost no production of electricity.

      Is that correct?

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        Robber

        The 9 cents is paid to the wind/solar/hydro generators only for the power they put into the grid (over and above what they get paid as the wholesale price received by all producers) and that is paid by the retailers and factored into the price we pay. So currently on average they represent 15% of demand, therefore retail prices are higher by 1.35 cents/KWhr.

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    John

    If we have 1200 climate laws we need tens of thousands of law enforcers in the Climate Inquisition and some very harsh punishments for those deniers that break them. For the worst deniers I guess burning at the stake is a no no – how about strapping them onto the blades of a wind turbine?

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    Neville

    Lomborg in this short 5 min video provides evidence, facts and available data to prove that they are telling porkies to the people all around the world. They’ll waste endless trillions $ until 2100 and beyond for no measurable change to temp or co2 levels or anything else. Just ask China, India and the rest of the developing world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgm3QOWt6Tc&t=3s

    Here is Dr Richard Lindzen providing the facts and evidence in another 5 min Prager Uni video. Like the Lomborg video this informative message is well worth 5 mins of your time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwqIy8Ikv-c

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    pat

    TdeF wrote: Has anyone actually seen a noticeable sea level rise in their lifetimes?

    not me…but there was this recently! tourism biz is on to it:

    PICS: 9 May: Conde Nast Traveler: Ryan Craggs: Dooagh Beach, Ireland Returns 30 Years After Disappearing into the Ocean
    http://www.cntraveler.com/story/dooagh-beach-ireland-returns-30-years-after-disappearing-into-the-ocean

    it’s “miraculous” says BBC. scientist isn’t sure:

    8 May: BBC: Shifting sands: Vanished Irish beach makes comeback 30 years on
    A County Mayo beach that disappeared more than 30 years ago has made a miraculous comeback.
    Dooagh beach on Achill Island in the west of Ireland, was washed away in 1984 after storms hit the area.
    But in April, hundreds of thousands of tonnes of sand were dumped back on the coastline during a freak tide, bringing the beach back to its former glory.
    Thousands of tourists visit the area every year and having a new 300-metre long beach has delighted residents…
    “Yesterday we had gridlock here in the village with cars and campervans and people coming from all over Ireland and the UK to see our new beach,” (Emmet Callaghan from Achill Island Tourist Office ) said…

    Dr Ivan Haigh from the University of Southampton said there were two explanations as to why the beach has reformed.
    “It could be a change in sediment supply, from further up or down the coast which has brought a fresh amount of sediment to the beach,” he said.
    “It could also be due to ***a change in environmental conditions, either an alteration in the wave climate or a series of tides that has provided the ideal conditions for this beach to reform.”…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39849853

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      Hasbeen

      We had one of those disappearing beaches on the Whitsundays Daydream island, back in the early 70.

      It didn’t take as long to come back. We used to go & fetch it from the southern spit, with a front end loader, every spring low tide.

      Aren’t we lucky that sea level changes so conveniently for us, once every Luna month.

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      PeterPetrum

      Bilgola Beach, on Sydney’s Northern Beaches, regularly loses up to 1 meter of sand during strong SE Storms, exposing the roots of the Norfolk Island Pines at the rear of the beach. But within a few months it’s all back again, It was just sitting out there waiting for the right waves!

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      gnome

      Gridlock delighted the residents! Only in Ireland.

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      wert

      TdeF wrote: Has anyone actually seen a noticeable sea level rise in their lifetimes?

      I’m sure someone has, but here the sea is falling, and it is falling about the same rate as most of the 20th century. But the accelerated deceleration of falling sea levels is about to be detected any decade now! They say..

      I don’t know why the satellite people keep telling the sea level rises, as it appears just fail to happen at Maldives, and even Carteret really really soon is inundated.

      Maybe they are fully incompetent? Hard to believe. Liars? Well, how do you achieve that? Just wrong? Could be, science is self-correcting so they should realize they are wrong. I’m kind of excited to see how the sea level rise scare develops during the next 15-20 years. If I live, that is. You never know.

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    Albert

    Laws to change weather ? good luck with that !

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      el gordo

      It can’t replace weather lore, this from wiki.

      ‘Weather lore is the body of informal folklore related to the prediction of the weather. It has been a human desire for millennia to make accurate weather predictions.’

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    pat

    bottom line:

    9 May: Reuters: Michelle Nicholls: EU urges U.S. not to cut U.N. funds, stay committed to climate deal
    The European Union urged the United States on Tuesday to keep funding U.N. agencies and stay committed to a global deal combating climate change as Washington pushed the 28-state bloc to increase its pressure on Syria, North Korea and Iran…
    “Climate change is real, and is already impacting on our security environment. Everything is linked. So we continue to hope that the United States will find a way to remain committed to the Paris Agreement,” (EU Foreign Policy chief Federica) Mogherini said…
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-eu-un-idUSKBN1851ZQ?il=0

    mixed messages:

    10 May: Hartford Courant: Susan Dunne: Artists Take On Global Warming In ‘One Planet, One Home’
    The New Haven art space is doing it again, this time zeroing in on one topic: the environmental devastation of global warming…
    “We have deemed ourselves gods of this planet, deciding to abuse and ravage our home, rather than cherish her many gifts,” Elizabeth Antle-O’Donnell, one of the artists in the show, said in an artist statement.
    Antle-O’Donnell contributed a piece made of an accumulation of bark shed by sycamore trees. The pieces overlap each other, none of them adhering entirely to the canvas, illustrating humanity’s inability to control the natural environment…

    Zoe Matthiessen takes a humorous approach. Her watercolor depicts a chicken with a trail mix bag stuck on its head, a depiction of “good intentions that have fallen short,” she said. Those good intentions are spelled out on the snack bag — organic, vegan, gluten free, all natural — but those attributes don’t stop the bag from trapping and blinding the chicken…

    Frank Bruckmann painted an earth melting into the darkness, North America front and center, as if to blame the United States for this disaster. Amy Browning’s abstracted “Cooling Ice” and “Warming Fire” suggests the temperature extremes that lie in the future…

    David Chorney’s “Loss of Innocence” painting juxtaposes a pastel-colored village being encroached upon by nearby industrial smokestacks spewing black clouds of air pollution…
    http://www.courant.com/entertainment/museums-galleries/hc-climate-change-exhibit-0510-20170510-story.html

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    PeterS

    The joke is on Australia. While the anti-coal lobbies around the world (including our own government) keep telling us we should use more renewables and less coal to save the planet from a mythical worldwide disaster, everyone of significance is building more and more coal fired power stations to pump an additional between about 50,000 to 100,000 million tonnes of CO2 over their lifetimes to the atmosphere, except of course Australia, which is trying to reduce their emissions. See http://endcoal.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Jan-2017-Proposed-by-region-lifetime-CO2.pdf
    I now am convinced both our major parties feel so guilty about using coal they see it’s imperative they slow down dramatically our coal power industry while remaining blind to the fact it will send our electricity costs higher and higher while the rest of the world build their coal fired power stations by the hundreds to produce cheap electricity and help keep their electricity prices low. The net effect is our competitiveness on the world stage will continue to decline and eventually our economy will be smashed. One doesn’t need to be a financial or economic expert to figure this will lead us directly to a crash and burn scenario the likes this country has never seen since Federation. We have one more opportunity to turn this around at the next election by refusing to vote for either major party but if we don’t then forget it. This country will go under quick smart.

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      el gordo

      ‘….by refusing to vote for either major party ….’

      Hear Hear

      At the last fed election I wrote blasphemy on both sheets, it was my ‘informal’ protest. ‘CO2 does not cause global warming, a pox on both your houses.’

      Next time around I’ll be voting ACP in the senate and informally in the reps.

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      el gordo

      On climate change Cory Bernardi is steadfast.

      ‘Recalling his resistance in 2008 to Turnbull’s plan to support Labor’s emissions trading scheme when the Coalition was in opposition, Bernardi credited his former colleagues Joyce, the finance minister, Mathias Cormann, the employment minister, Michaelia Cash, and the communications minister, Mitch Fifield, for changing the opposition’s direction.’

      Guardian

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        OriginalSteve

        Must be the day for political Twilight Zone behaviour….

        http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/05/08/mark-latham-joins-liberal-democrats-party/

        “Former Labor leader Mark Latham has announced he will join the Liberal Democrats Party to “fight the good battle” against political correctness.

        Mr Latham told Sky News talk show program The Bolt Report on Monday evening his return to politics was to protect freedom of speech, something he says the Labor party doesn’t uphold.

        “The fight for free speech in Australia has become critical … you don’t know how bad it is to lose your freedom of speech until it happens to you,” he said.

        “We’ve got a sneering, censorist mob – a lynch mob – that if they don’t like what you said they’ll do everything they can to close down freedom of speech.”

        Mr Latham, now a media commentator, slammed members of his former party for not allowing him to speak at a local branch meeting, telling them they “can go and get stuffed”.

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          Dennis

          Mark Latham also warned that a Labor government led by Bill Shorten (note how many old faces remain on his side) would be far worse than the one led by Kevin Rudd.

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          gnome

          The only reason Mark Latham isn’t forming a party named after himself is so self-evident I won’t even bother stating it.

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      el gordo

      ‘….our competitiveness on the world stage will continue to decline and eventually our economy will be smashed.’

      Most unlikely, decentralisation and mass immigration are much more likely, look at last night’s budget.

      ‘Three business cases for fast-rail connections between “big cities and nearby regional centres” will be funded. The commonwealth will spend $20 million paying half the cost of the businesses cases, inviting submissions later this year from state and territory governments and private sector groups interested in partnering to design, build and operate fast rail in key transport corridors.’

      SMH

      Can VFT run on renewables?

      Before the next election there will be very fast trains and satellite cities all set to roll out, which will shut down the Hansonites. While we are on the subject, Labor wants to embrace China’s Belt Road strategy but Turnbull and Bishop have been warned off by the Americans, something to do with the old cold war.

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    pat

    very funny and perhaps too optimistic about the Republicans, but read all:

    9 May: FrontPageMag: Daniel Greenfield: Bloomberg’s Green vs Coal Miners
    Coal is up and Green is down.
    Michael Bloomberg is polluting bookstore shelves with a new book. After only a few weeks, Climate of Hope has already been discounted by 10 bucks despite the pull quotes from Al Gore, Bill Gates, Tom Friedman and Leonardo DeCaprio.
    Maybe there just isn’t a market for books with Bloomberg’s sour mug on the cover…
    So Bloomberg decided to promote his book by bashing coal miners.

    “Market forces are sending coal the way of asbestos,” Bloomberg rants. “Putting coal miners back to work is no more possible from a business standpoint than putting telegraph operators back to work taking Morse code or putting Eastman Kodak employees back to work manufacturing film rolls.”
    Or saving dead tree copies of Climate of Hope from their inevitable destination in the Green landfills of tomorrow. But at least Bloomberg had found something that he hates even more than large sodas…

    Around the same time that Michael Bloomberg was peddling this claim in the dead tree pages of the Washington Post, Bloomberg, his own site, was reporting that “Coal country is back”.as the “market value of publicly traded U.S. coal companies” had doubled to $15 billion…
    Whom are you going to believe? Bloomberg or Bloomberg?…

    Bloomberg, the man, is rather invested in Big Green. Bloomberg New Energy Finance is built around it. There’s the businessman and the activist. And, coincidentally, they share the same agenda…

    Environmentalism exists on a toxic mix of alarmism, theft and lies. Now that Republicans control Congress and the White House, it’s also a dying industry. There are only so many places outside San Francisco that are willing to shut down a project for months (so) the environmental consultants can maximize their fee at the expense of taxpayers. Green blackmail is deader than the Pony Express.

    We need to prepare reporters and environmentalists for the jobs of the 21st century. It’s too much to expect a Washington Post social justice blogger or environmental consultant to be able to handle working in a coal mine. But they can be taught to drive an Uber or leave fake reviews on Yelp…READ ALL
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266603/bloombergs-green-vs-coal-miners-daniel-greenfield

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    Neville

    I’ve tried to get people to watch a few videos from Dr Hans Rosling, like the incredible change in human prosperity, health and life expectancy since the start of the Industrial rev. From the first humans to 1810 life expectancy was under 40, but after we started to use fossil fuels life expectancy increased rapidly to about 80 years today in the first world and developing countries are catching up fast. See Rosling’s short video to understand how the use of fossil fuels changed a dangerous world into a much safer and more prosperous world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo&t=14s

    If you watch just 5 minutes of this next Rosling video you will understand his problems trying to dispel ignorance around the world. And tertiary educated people are no different than anyone else. Unbelievable but true and Lomborg and his team have been fighting this ignorance for decades.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo&t=14s

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    pat

    THOU shalt not eat meat!

    9 May: Breitbart: Charles Spiering: Barack Obama: Eating More Steaks Contributes to Climate Change
    “As people want to increase meat consumption, that in turn is spiking the growth of greenhouse emissions coming out of the agricultural sector,” Obama said, pointing to countries that were consuming more meat.
    The former president shared his views about the growing threat during a conversation about food with his former chef Sam Kass at a food innovation summit in Milan…

    The amount of cows, Obama explained, were contributing to global pollution, alluding to the amounts of methane gas emissions from cow herds.
    “No matter what, we are going to see an increase in meat consumption,” Obama said, pointing to developing economies in China, India, Indonesia, and Vietnam. More advanced countries, Obama said, would have to teach people to “have a smaller steak” and explore reductions to their meat consumption…

    During the conversation, Obama argued with Kass about how many steaks he had cooked him.
    Kass said that he probably cooked “thousands of steaks” for the president, but Obama interrupted.
    “I don’t think, thousands,” he protested.
    “Well hundreds maybe,” Kass backtracked. “I’ve been cooking for you for 10 years.”
    “What is true is that I’m not a vegetarian,” Obama admitted, adding that he “respected vegetarians” but continued to eat meat.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/09/barack-obama-eating-more-steaks-contributes-to-climate-change/

    9 May: Breitbart: Ben Kew: Obama Climate Change Speech Earns $3.26 Million for Personal Foundation
    Having travelled to Milan in a private jet, Obama settled into a presidential suite at the Park Hyatt hotel, costing roughly €8,400 a night. Meanwhile, his entourage of security occupied two separate floors across the hotel, while his security detail required a convoy of 14 cars, a helicopter, and 300 extra police.

    The event, which attracted 3500 people paying €850 a ticket, raised nearly €3 million, all of which will go to the Obama Foundation dedicated to “renewal and global progress.”

    “When it comes to climate change, the hour is almost upon us,” Obama told the summit, urging the world to “set aside our parochial differences” to create a better planet for the world’s children.

    “If we seize the future, there is nothing that we cannot do … I do not believe that this planet is condemned to ever-rising temperatures,” Obama said. “I believe these are problems that were caused by man and can be solved by man.”…

    7 May: DailyCaller: Mark Tapscott: Obama’s Non-Profit On Same Dubious Path First Blazed By Clinton Foundation
    Barack Obama’s presidential foundation is barely two years old, but he is taking it down the same controversial — and by some accounts illegal — post-presidency path of his predecessor Bill Clinton, according to documents reviewed by The Daily Caller News Foundation’s Investigative Group…

    Compare that statement to the mission description for Obama’s foundation in its exemption application, which gets to the same wide-open mission but without the multiple intermediate steps taken by the Clintons:

    “The Barack Obama Foundation will both plan and develop a Presidential Center for future activities, including the Presidential Library, a museum and a broader campus, and engage in activities reflecting President Obama’s values and priorities throughout his career in public service”…

    “The foundation envisions a Presidential Center that, through its mission, initiatives, and physical and virtual presence, advances and interprets the themes of civic engagement, global perspective, health and wellness, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, public education, a spirit of innovation, and will become an anchor for economic development and cultivate a strong relationship with the library’s surrounding community.”…ETC
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/07/obamas-non-profit-on-same-dubious-path-first-blazed-by-clinton-foundation/?google_editors_picks=true

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      OriginalSteve

      As a part of UN Agenda 21, there is a push to make all human diets vegetarian.

      This is why NWO shills like Obummer are parroting the standard line thay have been given….

      Once you demonize cattle with climate change, you take steak off the menu.

      My suggestion would be have as many BBQs and as much meat as you can get now, before the NWO lunatics ban it…

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      Annie

      The word ‘hypocrite’ springs to mind, as does the saying ‘birds of a feather flock together’. Clinton, Obama, Blair…

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    Not quite off-thread, pertaining to swamp-draining…You heard
    it first at The Chiefio.
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2017/05/09/comey-fired-thread-for-current-trump-ing-events/

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      Oliver K. Manuel

      I am pleased that Trump has actually tossed some ‘gators out of the swamp around Washington, DC.

      But that swamp is now extremely dangerous territory for any politician to try to change. The swamp has evolved into a self-perpetuating entity, independent of political changes, much like the old USSR’s Kremlin.

      The biggest ‘gator is the US NAS (National Academy of Sciences), that has already effectively castrated Trump’s new Secretary of Energy, Rick Perry, by RETAINING CONTROL OF FUTURE REVIEWS of DOE’s programs and budgets for Congress.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day beth,
      Here’s our ABC’s story:

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-10/donald-trump-sacks-fbi-director-james-comey/8512918

      Cheers,
      Dave B

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    David Maddison

    Those 1200 laws translate into hundreds of thousands, if not millions of associated regulations and vast armies of public serpents to write and administer them.

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    thingadonta

    Be aware of these tendencies of bureaucracies. (There are many more, these are just a few).

    -They tend not to like change, so things that change are seen negatively.
    -They like control, so if they cant control it, and it changes, it’s often viewed negatively.
    -They don’t deal with well natural and valid variation, so things that vary too much are seen negatively, or not seen at all, especially if that variation is actually positive. (one reason the obviousness of evolution took so long to discover).
    -They tend not to like unevenness, especially in social equality terms, so they apply this to nature as well.
    -They tend to think that things that happen 90% of the time have 90% of the relevance, outliers are therefore always insignificant or of minor importance. Or alternatively, things that happen 10% of the time are only ever 10% important.
    -They dislike competition for resources, so they often pass laws and have policies that reduce competition or access to resources, for anyone or anything but themselves.
    -They tend to think nature, like they also wish themselves to be, is benevolent and generally not harmful.
    -Their purposes tend to be at the centre of things, so human issues and effects are often more important or at the centre than natural effects.
    -Little things do not tend to become more significant over time, (in line with the irrelevancy of change and outliers, above).
    -They are often ‘essentialists’, meaning they view the world and nature as having a central importance which includes there way of things, and variation from that centre is often insignificant or deviant.
    -They often see nothing wrong with pre-determining outcomes that follow the rules of above. What fits in to benefit the bureaucracy is seen as true, and what doesn’t is ignored.
    -They are often moralists who believe that what ‘ought’ to be is more important that what ‘is’, and they often confuse the two.
    -They often create myriad laws and rituals that seek to enhance the centralist and essentialist nature of the bureaucracy.

    Just a taste but you get the drift.

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    pat

    plenty of big talk from various interested parties!

    9 May: ClimateChangeNews: China warns Trump: leaving Paris accord risks bad deals at G7, G20
    Delegates at Bonn climate talks warn of wider diplomatic repercussions if the US withdraws from the Paris climate deal
    By Karl Mathiesen in Bonn
    ***Chai Qimin, director of international cooperation at the Chinese government’s National Center for Climate Change Strategy and International Cooperation, raised the prospect of retribution spilling over into other international forums, such as the upcoming G7 and G20 meetings.
    “Definitely it will impact on other diplomatic arenas, already on G7 and G20, the Major Economies Forum as well,” he said. “President Xi [Jinping] and our ambassador to the United Nations have said several times that withdrawing from the Paris Agreement is irresponsible, which will harm the mutual trust in the multilateral mechanism.”

    (Ethiopian diplomat Gebru Jember Endalew, head of the 48 least developed countries negotiating group): “Now climate change is about more than the environment,” said Endalew. “It’s environment plus. It’s more on trade, technology and other climate diplomacy issues as well. And countries all over the world are now just bringing the climate change agenda as part of their foreign policy.”…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/05/09/china-warns-trump-leaving-paris-accord-risks-bad-deals-g7-g20/

    ***Apr 2016: Yale Center Beijing: COP21 Paris Agreement on Climate Change: International and Domestic Implications
    Yale Club of Beijing and Yale Center Beijing jointly invite you to a discussion with government, think tank and business experts, to better understand the implications of the Paris Agreement on ongoing international collaboration, Chinese government and corporate initiatives on climate change…
    The Speakers: ***Chai Qimin PIC
    Mr. Chai has conducted research on global climate change and low carbon development since 2005 and participated in United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) negotiations as a government delegate since 2010, specializing in global climate change economics, comprehensive evaluation methods, low carbon strategy and policy-making and design. Mr. Chai received his Ph.D. from Tsinghua University and has worked at Stanford University, U.S. Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, and Prescott Energy Research Institute.
    http://centerbeijing.yale.edu/event/2016/04/cop21-paris-agreement-climate-change-international-and-domestic-implications

    9 May: ClimateChangeNews: Climate advocates in Bonn stumped by Trump dilemma
    Defenders of the Paris climate agreement are fudging the question of whether nations, namely the US, should be allowed to water down their commitments
    By Karl Mathiesen in Bonn
    As negotiators at the latest UN climate conference in Bonn ground through procedural matters inside the plenary, the media was only interested in one thing: Agenda Item Trump…

    In an attempt to defuse the legal argument last week, the EU commissioner on climate change Miguel Arias Cañete told the Financial Times the US could “chart its own path” under the rules of the accord.
    French diplomat Laurence Tubiana, a key architect of the Paris accord, in contrast emphasised its intention to ramp up ambition over time.
    “The text is very clear. The sense of the direction is really progress; it’s not going backwards,” Tubiana told E&E News…

    Negotiators and environmentalists at the talks privately told Climate Home there was confusion around a message…

    At a press conference on Monday, representatives of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) had a bet each way.
    UN climate chief Patricia Espinosa told reporters the climate process would be able to accommodate a US administration that wanted to reduce its ambition.
    The president of the 2016 Marrakech climate talks, Moroccan foreign minister Salaheddine Mezouar, said in an opening address that “the international community has become aware of the irreversibility of the commitments [to the Paris agreement]”.
    When asked whether that meant he disagreed with Cañete, he said going against the will of the international community for increased ambition would be “difficult or futile” but he added that the “approach can be different” – a nod to Cañete’s concession that the US could choose the manner in which it tackles greenhouse gas emissions…

    NGOs were mostly silent on the issue, apparently split over how to respond…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/05/09/climate-advocates-bonn-stumped-trump-dilemma/

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      Mary E

      It is easy. Trump just stops sending aid. No more money to foreign countries that bash the US for NOT committing economic suicide by crippling the power grid and thus industry, manufacturing, health, etc. and ad infinitum – no money at all, not for anything. No UN fees, nada. It all stays in the US, and see how long all those (unruly children) take to start screaming.

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    former? Socialist Macron replaces Obama in CAGW lovefest with Communist China! BBC approves:

    9 May: BBC: Climate change: China vows to defend Paris agreement
    He made the promise in a phone call with incoming French President Emmanuel Macron, the Chinese foreign ministry said in a statement…

    A White House meeting to discuss the topic on Tuesday has been postponed, amid reports of divisions among senior Trump advisers.
    It is the second time the meeting has been cancelled. No new date has been given…

    Mr Xi told Mr Macron China and France “should protect the achievements of ***global governance, including the Paris agreement”, according to the Chinese foreign ministry…

    For his part, when Mr Macron received his congratulatory phone call from the US president he told him he would also seek to defend the climate deal…
    Speaking on Tuesday at a conference in Milan, Italy, Mr Obama said the US and China had to “lead the way” in the fight against climate change.
    “The good news is the private sector has already made a determination that the future is clean energy,” he said…

    It (Paris Agreement) also seeks to shift the world economy away from fossil fuels in an effort to limit floods, droughts and rising sea levels…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-39861589

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    pat

    Macron’s choice of music at his victory celebration at The Louvre was telling!

    8 May: UK Express: ‘I’ll defend Europe!’ Macron snubs French national anthem & walks out to EU song after win
    EMMANUEL Macron neglected his own nation’s musical emblem as he walked out to deliver his victory speech, instead heralding his victory with the EU’s Anthem of Europe
    by Vincent Wood
    And while he later sang the French anthem with the crowd at the end of his speech, French voters on Twitter were quick to criticise his decision as a sign of European subservience.

    Written in 1824 by German Ludwig van Beethoven and based on a poem by countryman Friedrich Schiller in 1785, Ode to Joy was used as a stand in national anthem for Unified Team of Germany in the Olympics from 1956 to 1968, and later taken on by the EU in 1985.

    SNP (Scottish National Party) MPs whistled then later sung the tune as a protest against Brexit in the House of Commons during the third reading of the Great Repeal Bill…
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/801596/France-French-Election-Emmanuel-Macron-Brexit-European-Union-Anthem-Ode-to-Joy

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      OriginalSteve

      I keep thinking this guy is a biscuit..macron…macaron…a bit close…

      They are spot on about being an EU yes man…required for the job….

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    pat

    participating in “climate negotiations” is addictive?

    8 May: NatureClimateChange: Climate negotiators’ and scientists’ assessments of the climate negotiations
    Authors: Astrid Dannenberg, Sonja Zitzelsberger & Alessandro Tavoni
    Affiliations
    Department of Economics, University of Kassel, Nora-Platiel-Straße 4, 34109 Kassel, Germany: Astrid Dannenberg & Sonja Zitzelsberger

    Department of Economics, University of Gothenburg, Box 640, 405 30 Gothenburg, Sweden: Astrid Dannenberg

    Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment, London School of Economics, London WC2A 2AE, UK: Alessandro Tavoni

    Abstract:
    Climate negotiation outcomes are difficult to evaluate objectively because there are no clear reference scenarios. Subjective assessments from those directly involved in the negotiations are particularly important, as this may influence strategy and future negotiation participation. Here we analyse the perceived success of the climate negotiations in a sample of 656 experts involved in international climate policy.

    Respondents were pessimistic when asked for specific assessments of the current approach centred on voluntary pledges, but were more optimistic when asked for general assessments of the outcomes and usefulness of the climate negotiations. Individuals who were more involved in the negotiation process tended to be more optimistic, especially in terms of general assessments.

    Our results indicate that two reinforcing effects are at work: a high degree of involvement changes individuals’ perceptions and more optimistic individuals are more inclined to remain involved in the negotiations.
    https://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate3288.html

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    Mark M

    The definition of insanity is someone who thinks a climate law will make the climate better.

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    pat

    8 May: Bloomberg: Brian Parkin: Germans May Face Higher Power Costs on Exit From Nuclear Energy
    Germans already footing the second-highest electricity bills in Europe may face even higher costs from the country’s decision to exit nuclear power early next decade.
    While there’s no risk of blackouts, costs could rise if transmission gaps emerge, according to Germany’s Bnetza regulator. Europe’s biggest power market is closing its last atomic plants in 2022 and is counting on a mix of mothballed lignite plants, wind and solar power expansion and grid stability measures to keep outages down…

    “The lights will stay on,” Jochen Homann, president of the Bnetza regulator, told reporters on Monday in Bonn. “Yet there are two risks in bridging power gaps, namely redispatch and intervention in the market to drive generation up or down that may be cost factors.”

    German consumer power costs are second only to Denmark, making lawmakers leery of countenancing further increases as September’s federal election looms. Consumers this year may pay about 24 billion euros ($26.4 billion) in compulsory clean-energy-support fees, levies that are added directly to power bills…
    Costs borne by consumers and industry to keep the power grid stable have risen in recent years as wind and solar power have surged into the system…READ ALL
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-08/germans-may-face-higher-power-costs-on-exit-from-nuclear-energy

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    pat

    9 May: RenewEconomy: Giles Parkinson: Coalition backtracks on Paris deal, ABC cuts corners on energy
    Federal energy and environment minister Josh Frydenberg told ABC TV Four Corners program titled “Power Failure” broadcast on Monday night that Australia may not reach zero net emissions until the latter half of the century…

    Monday night’s Four Corners investigation was full of promise, firstly because it pointed out that Australia has ridiculously high prices for electricity despite the lack of a carbon price, or even because it no longer has a carbon price. And, usefully, it underlined the point that the variability of wind was not the issue with the South Australian blackout last year…

    “If the argument was just about energy security,” reporter Michael Brissenden asserted, “coal’s dominance would be assured. It produces synchronous power – reliable, steady, constant and predictable.”
    Brissenden follows a long line of current and former senior journalists at the ABC to fall into this honey trap of synchronous generation.

    That’s the old way of looking at things, and certainly one the fossil fuel industry is keen to retain, despite the repeated failings of coal and gas generation over the last summer as equipment broke in the heat…
    http://reneweconomy.com.au/coalition-backtracks-on-paris-deal-abc-cuts-corners-on-energy-60654/

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      Graeme No.3

      And Giles Parkinson follows a long line of current and former senior journalists at the ABC to fall into this honey trap of renewables being the answer to a ridiculous assumption.

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    el gordo

    The lady had the audacity to say Somalia and Sudan are weak links in the climate change laws, they are a lawless lot in fear of their lives.

    South Sudan is a disaster (avert your eyes) Japan is pulling out and so is Kenya, but the Third Way is still looking good.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-27/south-sudan-s-famine-is-china-s-chance-to-lead

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      OriginalSteve

      Yes funny how people in fear of rape and mutilation have more important things to consider than vacuous climate change fairy stories, lollipops and rainbows.

      Typical clueless leftists…

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    el gordo

    Breaking Nooze

    ‘THIS week could be a “game changer” for Adani’s mega coal mine as the Turnbull Government looks set to remove the last legal hurdle to its $21 billion project.

    ‘In a decision that’s likely to be lost among coverage of the Budget on Tuesday, the Turnbull Government will consider whether to change native title laws and help mining companies get their projects off the ground.’

    News.com

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      OriginalSteve

      Excellent news…and without coal generated electricity, there are no electric shopping trolleys….( teslas ).

      The teslas look nice, pity they aren’t very useful….they will take decades to reach the usefulness of petrol engined vehicles…

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        bobl

        Not decades, close to never. Unless nuclear energy powered cars (shades of back to the future II) become the norm the energy to weight ratio of even lightweight lithium batteries means that the energy to weight ratio of a battery car will never beat the energy to weight ratio of a hydrocarbon fueld vehicle. The climate obsessed carry on about basic physics in climate (missused basic physics) but completely miss the basic chemistry that shows that electric vehicles will never beat chemical fueled engines on the F1 circuit or the basic physics that shows that solar/kinetic energy scavenger tech can never be more energy dense and therefore more cost effective than chemical fueled generators.

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          Graeme No.3

          Current LITHIUM (heap big juju) batteries have about one tenth the energy density of petrol. Electric cars benefit from lower weights in the engine, gearbox, differential (usually) and the benefit from regenerative braking. But the energy output is more restricted and the energy savings from regenerative braking are limited by the recharging rate possible for the batteries.
          These basic factors have been known from before the 1970′s when batteries were considered unsuitable and some hope was held out for advanced flywheels (which didn’t eventuate).

          Electric “town cars” were very popular with wealthy women in the USA before the first World War, and electric milk floats less so in the UK (mostly) in the fifties and sixties (the complaint being that with a horse the milkman could run off and deliver to multiple houses and find the horse had moved the cart close to his final point, unlike electric vans which had to be immobilised at his starting point or, if set in slow motion, have it veer off course and ram the Mayor’s Rolls Royce.)

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            Bobl

            Yes, but one should also understand that almost all the optimisations done in electric cars are also possible in ice tech, for example one can use Regen braking output to charge the battery or run the radio/air-con. You can lighten the vehicle, and do all those other tricks including shutting the engine down or reduce number of cylinders at stops ( some ice cars can do that ). Some ICE cars can also dynamically shut down cylinders when under light load such as down hill or use electric assist to reduce fuel consumption under heavy loads.

            The argument that these optimisations only apply to electric cars just doesn’t wash with this engineer.

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        Environment Skeptic

        Reminds me of the ozone layer thingy…..countless money spent to find a new refrigerant gas and R600a butane turns out to be a superior gas to 134a….mind bogglingly expensive refrigerant gas…..

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          Environment Skeptic

          And so fridges from China with a considerable star rating come out with R600a isobutane gas….. ?

          They try to save the ozone layer
          R134a is the savior they all say-ah
          Turns out R600a is superior
          R134a inferior
          we can wonder all day and all day-ah

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    AndyG55

    And guess what..

    NOT ONE of those laws will have even the slightest effect on changing weather now, or in the future…

    … but quite possibly in the past ;-)

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    Roy Hogue

    I’m with him. Why not speed limits for winds?

    Why not directly enact the only law that seems to matter to anyone and make it illegal for the temperature to rise above [put your favorite comfy temp here]?

    It makes as much sense as all this thrashing around worrying about climate change and it tackles the problem head-on. And if I was as worried about the temperature as these folks are, that’s exactly what I’d do.

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      Roy Hogue

      But…

      They can see the absurdity of such a law so they don’t do it. One has to wonder then, why can’t they see the absurdity of all the other laws they pass? It’s just as obvious.

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      Roy Hogue

      And I almost forgot this.

      Moses could part the Red Sea, right? And Moses was just some mere mortal man found wandering in the desert. Surely the UN, with all the weight of so many nations behind it could command the sea to stop rising and save mankind from drowning.

      They act like they have so much power, why don’t they use that power when it’s needed?

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        Roy Hogue

        But I’m afraid the UN will hide behind the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution and avoid self incrimination by declining to answer that question.

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      Ava

      “‘Why not directly enact the only law that seems to matter to anyone and make it illegal for the temperature to rise above [put your favorite comfy temp here]? ”

      If nature can have rights that can be violated it must have responsibilities too that it can be held to account for.

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    Eddie

    “I’m with him. Why not speed limits for winds ? ”

    You are truly a visionary. This is just what is needed to help the windmills keep turning during storms & realise their potential beyond 1/3rd. CF.

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    Roy Hogue

    This may be a good place to call this to everyone’s attention. And if you’ve already seen it then you needn’t read any further.

    I was flabbergasted to see that Bill Nye the Sience Guy now has his own show on Netflix, apparently produced by Netflix.

    I watched a little of it. He immediately proved my point in a prior post that all he has is parlor tricks to dazzle the children. Only now he’s trying to work his tricks on adults, not kids. He begins with climate change as a given and goes on from there. He’s a shyster posing as a scientist and he gets his own show on one of the most popular entertainment sites on the Internet. Jo does honest science and can’t get an honest word out of anyone with the power to put her up against Nye, head to head and show the world the difference.

    How do we fight this? I hope you’ll pardon my wishing him all the failure he can get. Numbskull is all I can say about him in spite of his Stanford education (according to the Internet).

    If you don’t have a Netflix account you should sign up and watch some of this. They offer a month’s trial period and if you cancel before the end of that month they will not charge your credit card. You can cancel at any time with the click of a button, no questions asked. And yes, they will want a credit card but I’ve found them to be completely scrupulous and honest. Their policies are available to read before you sign up. Their tech support even seems to know what they’re doing and would answer questions for me even without a complaint or problem attached to them.

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      Roy Hogue

      Hint to Jo, can you work up some kind of rebuttal to this guy? He sure needs it and you have the only and best forum from which to do it.

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      Roy Hogue

      Well… I finally resolved to watch Bill’s first episode. He’s the consummate snake oil salesman. And that’s about all there is to him. :-(

      In the first episode he makes much of the fact that Venice, Italy, experiences flooding. This in spite of the fact that Venice has been having this flooding at the same times each year when the tides are unusually high for a long time and in spite of the fact that the city has been sinking of its own weight because it’s built on soil that can’t hold the weight of the buildings on top of it.

      But the way he presents it without any reference to other possibilities coupled with a showman’s ability to whip up an audience, quite possibly an audience chosen from those who already believe the story in the first place, he’s going to be effective in getting people to believe him.

      He’s the same old Nye with his same old parlor tricks but now available on one of the most watched entertainment sites on the internet and that can be nothing but trouble. He’s even mastered the term denier. :-(

      I don’t know what he’s being paid but if Netflix is producing this thing they must believe it will be popular enough to pay off handsomely, including Nye’s salary.

      Season 1 has 14 episodes.

      What a waste. Enough said.

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    kevsta

    In Spain, they stopped trying to hide the tax and just went for it

    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2015/10/spain-approves-sun-tax-discriminates-against-solar-pv.html

    apparently however, they possibly intend to backtrack on this if or when they ever manage to form a coherent government again

    https://cleantechnica.com/2016/03/10/parliament-spain-removes-punitive-sun-tax/

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    Publius

    Like legislating law is going to control the weather, yeah right. Science is for the most part based common sense and the suns output controls the climate and weather on this planet.
    Does anyone know what a “Solar minima” is? How about a “Grand Solar Minima” ? Thats even worse and there is a reason why these things to happen and no amount is legislated law will stop it as it beyond the power of any living human being to change it.
    The whole global warming thing is one big political conspiracy and if they are allowed to have their way it will turn your country into a third world hellhole with no industry/jobs, little or no electric, limit food production and limited travel. Million$ upon million$ of money funneled into bank accounts of some wealthy elite’s and all setup to look like its helping some poor under privileged country.
    All this will even kill off allot people and do they care?

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