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Psst, who said scientists were getting rich? It’s bankers, renewable giants, the Green-machine and Al Gore

A Red Herring just flew through the Climate Change Gravy Train

Anthony Sharwood hopes to derail the killer argument about Golden Gravy Train:

Scientists Getting Filthy Rich On Climate Change? Here Are The Facts

This train has no gravy on it.

Get ready to rethink the role of carbon. Sharwood comes armed with facts like a non-quote from an anonymous climate scientist friend in Tasmania who says he’s only earning $80 k and who, “impressively”, said he’s in it for “love not money”. He reckons he could’ve been earning $200k in IT. (Not in Tasmania, buddy).

So forget radiative transfer and moist adiabatic lapse rates, science is now decided by the love test. Who loves science the most? Maybe the skeptics who are working for nothing, eh?

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Sharwood and HuffPo naturally miss freight train of money.

One day when they learn to google, they’ll find that we skeptics don’t talk about  climate scientists getting “filthy rich”. We talk about Al Gore, about Global Bankers, and we talk about how GE took in $9b in revenue lsat year from renewable energy. We talk about  how global carbon markets turned over $176 billion in their heyday and  Global Renewable Energy investment reached $257 Billion.

We talk about estimates that the whole global climate change industry is worth about 1,500 billion a year.

As for poor Climate Scientists, no one said they were raking it in, but compared to the rest of the scientific industry, they get rock star treatment. What other branch of science gets two-week Olympic sized conferences each year, plus television interviews, red carpet awards, and documentaries?

And these guys are the ones who can’t predict anything. Wall Street doesn’t want those kind of modelers.

 When will Banks care about whales?

When they can trade whale-credits.

Banks, financial institutions, carbon trading.

Banks for “the environment”

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Psst, who said scientists were getting rich? It's bankers, renewable giants, the Green-machine and Al Gore, 9.6 out of 10 based on 88 ratings

112 comments to Psst, who said scientists were getting rich? It’s bankers, renewable giants, the Green-machine and Al Gore

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    Curious George

    300 billion a year is no pocket money. I agree that very little of it goes to support jobs of climate scientists. Most goes to Al Gore’s friends, many of them Third World rulers. (Poor rulers.)

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      Oliver K. Manuel

      This gravy train will be trumped if the US pulls out of the Paris climate agreement.

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    TdeF

    In Australia at least, the biggest employers of scientists in my experience are seconday teaching, academia, defence and medical research, the BOM and that scientists’ retirement village the CSIRO. There you do what your political masters say, which generally is wait for retirement.

    A few have gone into IT and some have done well by abandoning science completely and starting again in management. None of them are allowed comment and few are even interested in Global Warming let alone the absurd generality which is Climate Change. That is all for pseudo scientists and opportunists like kangaroo specialist Tim Flannery and perhaps those people with soft modern degrees in ecology and the environment and the like, perhaps working for Climate Change departments of councils and large companies. [snip because of 18C]

    The very idea that there is a Climate train, let alone a gravy train is absurd. Note even a Gravy boat.

    The fact that Flannery made Australian of the Year is amazing, given that his degree was in English. This was a random political appointment like Al Gore’s Nobel ‘Peace’ prize. It could not be in science as Gore knows none, again with a basic degree in government? His thesis was on the effect of Television on Nixon’s campaign.

    At present the sole value of Climate Change is in control of the Australian Senate, a body which was formulated to protect state rights and does nothing of the sort. The RET is the world’s biggest carbon tax and it is not even a government tax, so it is not even mentioned in the budget. The money goes straight from your bank to the banks of others. So they might buy windmills and solar panels for themselves and make profits.

    The Senate does allow the smallest states to have 20x the influence of other states and the right of veto over everything, so the GST like the RET flows like a river to support minor parties in tiny states. So with only one seat in the democratic House of Representatives, the Greens control the senate and stop every attempt to reduce spending of taxpayer money on themselves and their social agendas posing as science agendas. Everything else is vetoed, except more spending on Education, Disability [snip because of 18C] and gifts overseas. Total debt is now going over $600Billion, which is $24,000 per child.

    As for the idea that the 1% of people who are science trained say in the BOM have any say on Climate Change let alone earn a living from it, that is fantasy. Science is in the hands of the Greens who know none. Otherwise carbon dioxide would not be classed as a pollutant as all living things are made from it.

    As Tony Abbott says, the senate needs urgent reform. When can we have our real Prime Minister back? His first step would be to repeal the RET, which would cost the government nothing and drop our electricity bills x4 overnight.

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      Dennis

      Total federal debt is approaching $500 billion however NBNCo debt is not included as that debt is accounted for in government owned private company NBNCo books and not shown on federal budgets.

      However, total public debt is now over $900 billion and probably more when government owned private company debts are included, state and territory governments and local government.

      The monthly interest liability would be more than $2 billion.

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      I’m in favour of Senate Reform; not to break the equal voice of the sovereign States; but to impair the political party machinery that results in Senators voting according to their political party affiliation; not in the interests of the States which they are supposed to represent. We cannot exclude individuals from becoming or remaining Senators simply because they’re affiliated to a political party, but we can diminish the influence of parties on sitting Senators by directing their primary loyalty to the respective State.

      I’ve blogged “extensively” on various Senate issues, including the electoral system and the arrangement of furniture in the chamber. Yes; the furniture. Because how it’s arranged is according to government and opposition; not by State.

      One thought upon which I’ve not yet expanded is the change in the Constitution facilitating a petition from a State Parliament to the GG, to dismiss and to replace an individual Senator who is not acting in their State’s interest. There obviously have to be safeguards against abuse.

      Reform is a slow process.

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        Alfred (Melbourne)

        The best way to get the views of ordinary people reflected in the way this country is run is by cutting politicians off from the gravy train by having Direct Democracy. The people get to vote (over the internet) on everything of real importance.

        These high-and-mighty crooks need to be brought down to earth.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

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          I think it better to start with removing compulsory voting.

          That doesn’t require any Constitutional changes (AFAICT; IANAL).

          Voting over the Internet is dubious. Have a look at article in comp.risks (Usenet newsgroup established many, many years ago) for articles on electronic voting and not being able to ensure that the voter’s vote is uncoerced when not attending a polling booth to lodge a secret ballots. It is very easy to e.g. “buy” postal votes.

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            Dennis

            Followed by preferential voting and allowing candidates with even a tiny share of the primary vote doing preference swapping deals and ending up with a seat in the Senate.

            The third reform should be equal number of Senate seats by state and by territory.

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              Annie

              I agree about the preferential vote swapping.

              In the Senate I would have thought the number should rely somewhat on population size?

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          David Maddison

          An experiment in direct democracy was the subject of the 1970 Peter Cook movie “The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer”.

          https://youtu.be/QArRsTTQFcs

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        Glen Michel

        The Senate presents the conundrum: reform it or reject it. As you point out Bernd,the unfortunate arrival that we have now is its parochialism has got out of control. The Senate shouldn’t rubber stamp the Reps, but the obstructionism that continually thwarts an elected governments’ platform is another thing.

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      Andy Pattullo

      I think this is all a diversionary claim regarding poorly paid climate scientists. It has always been climate alarmists who claimed the skeptics were being funded by big oil. It was never true, but now they try to pretend that the shoe is on the other foot. They can’t win the arguments they started so they pretend we are debating something completely different and try to refute claims that were never made.

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    TdeF

    In Australia at least, the biggest employers of scientists in my experience are seconday teaching, academia, defence and medical research, the BOM and that scientists’ retirement village the CSIRO. There you do what your political masters say, which generally is wait for retirement.

    A few have gone into IT and some have done well by abandoning science completely and starting again in management. None of them are allowed comment and few are even interested in Global Warming let alone the absurd generality which is Climate Change. That is all for pseudo scientists and opportunists like kangaroo specialist Tim Flannery and perhaps those people with soft modern degrees in ecology and the environment and the like, perhaps working for Climate Change departments of councils and large companies.

    The very idea that there is a Climate train, let alone a gravy train is absurd. Note even a Gravy boat.

    The fact that Flannery made Australian of the Year is amazing, given that his degree was in English. This was a random political appointment like Al Gore’s Nobel ‘Peace’ prize. It could not be in science as Gore knows none, again with a basic degree in government? His thesis was on the effect of Television on Nixon’s campaign.

    At present the sole value of Climate Change is in control of the Australian Senate, a body which was formulated to protect state rights and does nothing of the sort. The RET is the world’s biggest carbon tax and it is not even a government tax, so it is not even mentioned in the budget. The money goes straight from your bank to the banks of others. So they might buy windmills and solar panels for themselves and make profits.

    The Senate does allow the smallest states to have 20x the influence of other states and the right of veto over everything, so the GST like the RET flows like a river to support minor parties in tiny states. So with only one seat in the democratic House of Representatives, the Greens control the senate and stop every attempt to reduce spending of taxpayer money on themselves and their social agendas posing as science agendas. Everything else is vetoed, except more spending on Education, Disability and Aborigines and gifts overseas. Total debt is now going over $600Billion, which is $24,000 per child.

    As for the idea that the 1% of people who are science trained say in the BOM have any say on Climate Change let alone earn a living from it, that is fantasy. Science is in the hands of the Greens who know none. Otherwise carbon dioxide would not be classed as a pollutant as all living things are made from it.

    As Tony Abbott says, the senate needs urgent reform. When can we have our real Prime Minister back? His first step would be to repeal the RET, which would cost the government nothing and drop our electricity bills x4 overnight.

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      TdeF

      Flannery was also amazingly our Chief Climatologist, despite having no qualifications in meteorology. Then for years we had at government direction an amazing 350 full time CSIRO scientists studying the Climate when we have a dedicated Bureau of Meteorology? Obviously Meteorology has nothing to do with the Climate. Possibly the study of meteors? In Australia, what government science there is is purely political.

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        clive

        “One must say clearly that de facto we redistribute the world’s wealth by climate policy…. One has to rid oneself of the illusion that international climate politics have anything to do with environmental concerns.”– Ottmar Edenhofer, co-chair of IPCC Working Group III

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          Dennis

          Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man’s stewardship of the environment. But we know that’s not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this.

          At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

          “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.

          Referring to a new international treaty environmentalists hope will be adopted at the Paris climate change conference later this year, she added: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

          The only economic model in the last 150 years that has ever worked at all is capitalism. The evidence is prima facie: From a feudal order that lasted a thousand years, produced zero growth and kept workdays long and lifespans short, the countries that have embraced free-market capitalism have enjoyed a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled.

          Figueres is perhaps the perfect person for the job of transforming “the economic development model” because she’s really never seen it work. “If you look at Ms. Figueres’ Wikipedia page,” notes Cato economist Dan Mitchell: Making the world look at their right hand while they choke developed economies with their left.

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            Dennis

            Brussels in October 2015

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            joseph

            A book by Patrick Woods, “Technocracy Rising”, might be of interest. It gives a good account of where the financial system may be headed, IMHO.

            He also coauthored two books on the Trilaterals, a group formed by Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockefeller that has had a big part to play.

            I read today that Zbigniew Brzezinski has just died.

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    John

    Most people are incapable of understanding that money changers are the driving force of the climate change agenda. For the true believers, they do not recognize, much less try to reconcile within their economic belief system, that they are foot soldiers in a money transfer scheme. Mention it and their brain shuts off right in front of you.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      And we have the education system to thank for that.

      The indoctrination process started in Teacher Training Colleges, and now extends its tentacles into Secondary Schools, where it produces graduates that are so ill informed that their only recourse for a job, is to get a “soft degree”, that equips them to become a teacher, a social worker, or a professional activist.

      Not in all cases, of course. But in sufficient numbers to keep the meme alive and kicking.

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        Glen Michel

        As a retired Secondary teacher in the old Social Sciences ( economics and Physical Geography) I have observed that almost all of the younger teachers are ignorant and unquestioning on the subject of Climate Science. They are, in my opinion very naiïve and very left of centre in their world views who in social discourse show little inclination to absorb information that does not conform. They seem to be overly concerned about the politics of the profession and the shenanigans of the Teachers Federation. I would suggest that the majority are unworthy and unsuited.

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          Dennis

          When the Abbott government talked about dropping Labor’s Gonski federal to state education funding grants and negotiate to have public schools get back to teaching the basics a retired headmistress commented on a blog that few younger teachers would know how. to teach that way.

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      Ross

      It has been interesting looking at the comments on the Breitbart thread about Gary Cohn’s comments on US coal and the Paris Agreement. The believers are on there to upset the usual readers. As well as the usual comments you would expect from AGW believers there is a constant thread from others about solar being the solution and how it is now as cheap as coal. When faced with a few real facts they just get twisted in knots.
      They display exactly what Glen Michel has related in his observations above.

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    Peter C

    The Green-Machine gets a passing mention in the title but needs further investigation. I have read that there is a confederation of green groups around the world. However the main decisions are apparently made by a very small group, the executives of just four large organisations.

    These are:
    Greenpeace
    World Wildlife Fund
    World Wide Fund for Nature
    Oxfam

    Oxfam seems an odd one here bcause they are supposed to be a charity which cares for people, but that is no longer the case.

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      Annie

      I long ago went off Oxfam. Too much politicking and too much pay for CEO types. The same goes for so many other ‘charities’ these days. The last straw was a full-page advert in the (UK) Daily Telegraph by so many of them…nothing to do with their charity work.
      We prefer to support the Mercy Ships now. They do wonderful work.

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        Dennis

        When I watch free to air television I am amazed at how many charity begging for money advertising is broadcast, the expense would be hundreds of thousands of dollars on just one night of television. They include UNHCR asking us to donate. It angers me thinking about how generous Australia is per capita via our foreign aid, refugee resettlement and long term welfare and other expenses involved, donations to the UN IPCC, etc.

        Taxpayers are milking cows.

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    Sean

    “And these guys are the ones who can’t predict anything. Wall Street doesn’t want those kind of modelers.”

    Actually, Wall Street loves these kinds of modelers as do politicians. In a free market, you’d be right but in a rigged market you just need justification for the rigging. The modelers reliably predict disaster which gives politicians justification to rig the market and Wall Street can invest in “certainty”.

    [Approved with my comment that it represents personal opinion and is otherwise acceptable within Jo's guidelines for commenting. Please take it as such. Thanks.] AZ

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    TdeF

    I thought I would look up pollutant because as we are told, CO2 is a nasty pollutant

    First dictionary.com
    noun
    1. a substance that pollutes, esp a chemical or similar substance that is produced as a waste product of an industrial process

    pollutant in Medicine
    n. Something that pollutes, especially a waste material that contaminates air, soil, or water.

    pollutant in Science
    A substance or condition that contaminates air, water, or soil. Pollutants can be artificial substances, such as pesticides and PCBs, or naturally occurring substances, such as oil or carbon dioxide, that occur in harmful concentrations in a given environment. Heat transmitted to natural waterways through warm-water discharge from power plants and uncontained radioactivity from nuclear wastes are also considered pollutants.

    So Carbon Dioxide has now become a pollutant?

    Mirriam Webster
    pollutant noun
    a substance that makes land, water, air, etc., dirty and not safe or suitable to use

    Collins

    Pollutants are substances that pollute the environment, especially gases from vehicles and poisonous chemicals produced as waste by industrial processes.

    The other pollutant, the output of industrial processes, the other gas from vehicles, the other waste product and by far the greater greenhouse gas is H2O.

    As all life is made from H2O and CO2, according to the dictionary, all life on earth is pollution or made from pollution. I would though want to know how these nasty industrial waste products contaminate the air or water when they are the air and water?

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      TdeF

      My simple point is that of all the evil associated with CO2, H2O is equally guilty. From Greenhouse gas to clouds to storms, floods and tornadoes to rising seas and drownings, H2O is by far the more dangerous and clearly the major pollutant. No wonder the Greens do not let us build dams. H2O is the problem. When people photograph chimneys, what they see is H2O not invisible CO2. It not only blocks sunlight, and traps heat, in every form H2O reflects it. Without H2O we would not have a climate. Thus no Climate Change. Problem solved.

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        Annie

        I keep old tonic bottles full of water in our old ‘fridge in the shed. I have crossed out the original labels and have written ‘Dihydrogen monoxide’ on each bottle. I wonder what reaction we will see when these are spotted by visitors?! Dangerous stuff this H2O isn’t it?

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          Peter C

          I am on holidays in the UK and likely will visit the Yorkshire dales on Tuesday. Any suggestions for good things to see?

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            alwaysBskeptical

            Visit the train museum and the Viking village in YORK.
            If you have an opportunity, visit the Norfolk Broads.

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              toorightmate

              With a bit of homogenisation they could be combined to become the “Viking’s Train Museum”.

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              Griffo

              The Museum in York has one of the original geological maps of England compiled by William (Strata) Smith,it is hidden by a modern facsimile ,but an attendant will press a remote control to show the original.( This Museum is not the Viking Museum)

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            mikewaite

            Swaledale , the most Northerly and least populated of the Dales. In its more remote stretches it feels as if nothing much has changed since the Norse settlers first arrived to set up their simple stone homesteads one thousand years ago .

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            Annie

            Where do I start Peter?! I leave tomorrow unfortunately.
            Swaledale certainly, then take the road out of Grinton and Reeth towards Langthwaite where you can eat at the CB Inn, or carry on up the road past it for a few miles to the Tan Hill Inn which is the highest inn in England. We had a very pleasant lunch there a few days ago and if you are a hiker all these places are surrounded by marvellous hiking country. Get an Ordnance Survey map though as if you strike out across the moors there are mining shafts around. Not far from Langthwaite, heading towards Gunnerside there is a good walk up to the Old Gang lead mine. The drive up through Arkengarthdale towards the A66 and Barnard Castle is beautiful.

            There is the main town of Richmond with its ruined castle and cobbled market place, though less rough now than it was. You can wonder around the outside of the castle and down to the River Swale.

            I also favour Wensleydale and it shouldn’t be as crowded yet as later in the summer. There are great views from the top of Penhill where there is one of the beacons which was lit for the Queen’s Jubilee; we hiked up there that evening!

            Enough for now!

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              Annie

              Wander…

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              Annie

              I meant to mention Fountains Abbey near Ripon…what an omission. I expect you won’t have time for all the possibilities.

              I do hope you have a happy time on holiday in England. :)

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        here’s another way of putting it, given:

        CO2 is 400ppm (0.04%) of the atmosphere

        H2O is between 500ppm (record minimum) and 38,957ppm (record high)

        Water (gas)’s IR absorption band is far, far broader than CO2′s.

        the assumption according to AGW folk is by absorbing IR, the atmosphere heats up.

        So, if the AGW hypothesis is correct it’d be equally probable they could show a strong correlation between rising humidity causing warming. Forget ‘global climate’ – Do physicists or meteorologist know of any presumption or demonstrable example or viable model that concludes that rising humidity drives heating ? Put aside the insulation effects of clouds or convection issues, I want to know whether humidity can drive warming. It should.. if 400ppm CO2 can, then 30,000ppm surely would have a clearly measurable effect! no? really, no?

        My understanding is actually the reverse – both heat and airflow can cause H2O %’s to rise in the air .. just as warming a planet predominantly covered in CO2 absorbing water would cause the CO2 to outgas, and a planet covered in biotic life when warmed would show a rise in biotic activity, causing a rise in CO2.

        Nut hey, what would I know, I’m not a climate scientist, I just studied chem, physics and botany..

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Their unconfirmed hypothesis was that increased CO2 feeds back to increased H2O gives increased warming. But then we had The Pause. Their models failed. Just as Bob Carter, David Evans and others said.

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        Carbon500

        Time to drain all the water off by drilling a hole in the Earth’s crust then!
        This could be the basis of a good disaster movie I think.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      And for the English-speakers, among us …

      pollutant n an agent which fouls or contaminates the environment etc.

      “The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (1993 Edition)”

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Thanks Rereke. I wondered but was too lazy to check. I am quite sure that my dictionary (the thirty years older one in my head) never included that word environment in connection to pollute.

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      Curious George

      You looked in all wrong places. CO2 has been declared a pollutant by EPA, and if I remember correctly, it has been confirmed by the Supreme Court. Of course, these two places have no legal authority in the Commonwealth.

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    stan stendera

    I have seen an aerial photo of Mikey Mann’s house. I was looking for solar panels (saw non but there are supposedly some). That spread has to be worth at least $1,000,000 US. It’s in a very toney neighborhood, too. What gravy train? Sark

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    James Murphy

    I’ve never been impressed by people earning well above the minimum wage who blend victimhood and sanctimony by saying they “could have been earning $xyz” doing something different.

    In what I imagine is an overwhelming percentage of cases, there is nothing stopping said individuals from doing just that, except themselves.

    Anyway, its not pay levels which annoy me (though I don’t like to see taxpayers money wasted on junk masquerading as science either), it’s the fact that so many “scientists” just take the money and shut up, justifying their lack of professionalism and abuse of the scientific method in whatever way they manage.

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      When I used to be involved with DSTO in Melbourne, every time a scientist retired, they would say that they had the best job in the world and could do it for free. Every time that there was job restructuring or remuneration discussions, all the scientists went into apoplexy if there was even a hint of an effect on pay and pay rises. Most of those scientists were pretty much global warming believers; directly observed at one seminar. It’s a good thing they didn’t apply the global warming scientific methods to their actual work.

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        Peter C

        I would hope that our defence science is useful stuff that actually works.

        Bemused,
        Did you ever understand why our defence scientists were global warming believers?

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          In regards to the Defence research etc the scientists do some amazing work, many are world recognised experts in their field. However, if they followed the principles (scientific methods) adopted by ‘climate scientists’ things would be dire.

          I can’t say that all were warming worriers, but from my experiences, many were and is something that completely baffled me. I didn’t want to get into any heated discussions with them, given what I observed in these seminars and how easily climate worrier get offended if their beliefs are questioned.

          It could be something of a hangover from their uni days, as many would go straight from uni to DSTO (effectively one uni to another one, but in the latter they would be paid handsomely). Many also worked closely with CSIRO, ANU etc and maybe the green contagion was passed on.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Peter, apparently it doesn’t work.

          Tied up at Garden Island are two apparently new, quite sizeable ships. They are supposed to be ultra modern, but apparently are unfit for service, with serious design problems. I hadn’t been paying attention and didn’t know about it until I saw an article in a paper a couple of weeks after seeing them on a trip on the Manly Ferry a couple of months back.

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        David Maddison

        Heh, I used to be at DSTO Melbourne as well…

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        James Murphy

        There were a handful of well-and-truly retired people who used to turn up almost daily, both when I was at university, and when working at the CSIRO. Not all of them had emeritus professor (or equivalent) status.

        It was easy to see that they were extremely passionate about their areas of expertise, and were always keen to share what they knew. I’m not sure about university but at the CSIRO at least, these people were still well respected by their peers, and were not seen as a nuisance, or an annoyance (any more than any other colleagues).

        Sadly (I think), the health and safety drones at the CSIRO were not impressed by the presence of people who were not employees, and were not covered by any workplace insurance scheme, and the practice was discouraged.

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      el gordo

      The gap between the rich and poor in Taswegia is not very wide, although its fair to say 80 k income on that small island is the equivalent to a king’s ransom.

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      You can get a PhD in science without even a cursory brush with the philosophies of science. Entire careers can be lived without such “extraneous” matters.

      I looked up what the abbreviation “PhD” mean in the dictionary and online; but none seem to concur with repeatably, observable reality. :-(

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    alwaysBskeptical

    Google NPI (National Pollutant Inventory).
    Carbon dioxide is NOT LISTED on our Federal Goverment list !!!

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      el gordo

      Nevertheless, the government still regards CO2 as a pollutant.

      Josh Frydenberg told Fairfax Media on Friday: “As the government has made clear in the past it will not be adopting an Emissions Intensity Scheme”, yet they are “committed to ensuring affordable electricity while maintaining the stability of the grid as we transition to a lower emissions future.”

      SMH

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        But I note that they don’t single out C02, in their basket of “emissions”.

        I take that as a positive. A year or so ago, it would have been front and centre in block capital letters.

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    el gordo

    The gravy train stopped at the station and in controversial circumstances Donald refused to get onboard.

    “I will make my final decision on the Paris accord next week” the US president tweeted from Sicily.

    I was a fly on the wall in the waiting room, he reminded them that AGW is a hoax and they were horrified.

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      Dennis

      Meanwhile the character assassination attempts, other smearing and “fake news” continues in the US and around the world as the usual suspects do whatever they think it will take to remove POTUS Trump from office, truth overboard.

      And funding street demonstration rallies and we can only guess what else is at least one man-made global warming, climate change conman.

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        James Murphy

        It’s truly sickening to see how much time, effort and money is being spent by these people, and how fast the anti-democratic/anti-science/anti-trump drones can mobilise when the order goes out.

        What a pity that they don’t apply that same enthusiasm, and the same resources to causes which could actually make a difference, and genuinely help people who need to be helped. Still, I guess it’s all about being seen to participate, about “feeling good”, not about concrete objectives and results. Much like candle-lit vigils, and mountains of flowers left at the scene of horrendous events…

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          Dennis

          Hillary Clinton was on the news recently addressing students at the university she attended as a student.

          No need to explain her mission and who her smearing target was.

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    No-one said the foot-soldiers would get the most loot. That’s not how plunder works. And Big Green is now all about the plunder. Publish-or-perish scientists, compliant journalists/news actors, the highly co-ordinated cheer squads…nobody said these people would get to do more than survive.

    Mind you, if a passionately green politician banned a certain kind of light globe for which GE had a ready and expensive replacement that politician might not find himself in a bad position for advancement through corporate approval and support…

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    Greg Cavanagh

    There are a couple so-called climate scientists that have reaped more reward than effort.

    That Indian guy with two companies and his family involved is one, I can’t remember or find his name on Google.

    Michael Mann is known to have brought $30 million of research grants into his university in one year. I have no idea how much of this turns into wages, and he may be unjustly vilified on this one point.
    James Hanson was on a wage, but also did many interviews. His wage was was probably standard, plus a couple bonus payments from the interviews. I don’t believe he has become rich from this nonsense.

    A lot of the accusation isn’t the wage, but the stupid sums of research grant. Waste money to begin with, but the sums are also far larger than expected just to re-compute existing data. And to cap it off, many of the results of expensive research is such utter nonsense it would have gotten an F from a pre-school teacher.

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      Graeme No.3

      This is a partial list from WUWT about the Travel & Award mechanism.
      Blue Planet Prize ($500,000), travel for Hansen and his wife to Tokyo, Japan, 2010
      Dan David Prize ($500,000), travel to Paris, 2007
      Sophie Prize ($100,000), Oslo Norway, travel for Hansen and his wife, 2010
      WWF Duke of Edinburgh Award, Travel for Hansen and his wife, London, 2006
      Alpbach, Austria (alpine resort)(“business class”, with wife), 2007
      Shell Oil UK ($10,000), London, 2009
      FORO Cluster de Energia, travel for Hansen and wife (“business class”), Bilbao, Spain, 2008
      ACT Coalition, travel for Hansen and wife to London, 2007
      Progressive Forum ($10,000)(“first class”), to Houston, 2006
      Progressive Forum ($10,000), to Houston, 2009
      UCSB ($10,000), to Santa Barbara, CA
      Nierenberg Prize ($25,000), to San Diego, 2008
      Nevada Medal ($20,000), to Las Vegas, Reno, 2008
      EarthWorks Expos, to Denver, 2006
      California Academy of Science ($1,500), to San Francisco, 2009
      CalTech ($2,000), travel to Pasadena, CA for Hansen and his wife, 2007
      Also
      In 2001, he received the 7th Annual Heinz Award in the Environment (endowed with US$250,000 share of the $500,000 Award) for his research on global warming

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        Griffo

        All Tax free?

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          Graeme No.3

          Griffo:
          As I understand there was some uproar in 2011 because he didn’t report the sums to his employer (NASA) as is required with government employees in the USA, and its status as income. He maintained that the extra money (over and above his $140,000 salary) went into a Trust Fund to pay for his grandchildren’s education. BEAR in MIND WHO was the President at that time, so he was never prosecuted. Thereafter he reported it on his income return but how it was classified for tax purposes I don’t know.

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    manalive

    … he’s only earning $80 k and who, “impressively”, said he’s in it for “love not money”. He reckons he could’ve been earning $200k in IT …

    Or maybe flipping burgers in MacDonalds.
    In the UK Commons Committee IPCC hearing in 2014 eminent atmospheric physicist Prof Richard Lindzen gave evidence saying in answer to aggressive questioning particularly from the chairman the execrable Tim Yeo (later accused of lying under oath by High Court judge in a libel action):

    Lindzen: … with climate science you are not dealing with a huge field. As I have asked people very frequently at university, how many people do you remember who were studying climate? Were the brightest people you know studying meteorology or oceanography? The answer usually is they knew no one. If they did, they were not the brightest people. Suddenly we have a world full of thousands of the world’s leading people in this area. It just goes against common sense …
    Lindzen: … you look at the credentials of some of these people and you realise the world does not have that many experts. It does not have that many leading climate scientists …
    Yeo: … Were you suggesting just now that the people who have gone into this field of work were academically or intellectually inferior to those who had chosen other fields of work?
    Lindzen: … Yes. I do not think there is any question when we were in college that the brightest kids went to physics and math, then chemistry and other areas … today that many of the brighter students do not go into physics and math. They might go into business, law, and so on … it makes people a little queasy to say, “My field is not as strong as other fields”, is obviously true …

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      This is what you can get from “200k salary earners”

      BA cancels London flights after IT outage

      British Airways has cancelled all flights from London’s Heathrow and Gatwick airports as a global IT failure caused severe disruption for travellers on a busy holiday weekend.

      The airline said on Saturday it was suffering a “major IT systems failure” around the world. It didn’t say what was causing the problem but said there was no evidence of a cyberattack.

      BA passengers were hit with severe delays in July and September 2016 because of problems with the airline’s online check-in systems.

      IT is an industry which can get blood from a stone. Recall that QLD Health payroll system was originally supposed to cost 20 million dollars. The plug was pulled when the monster could be made to live after 1200 million dollars had been spent.

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    Roy Hogue

    This train has no gravy on it.

    Well, it sure has gravy on it for someone. Who could they be? Well… …maybe the cottage industry that has sprung up around solar here in California where someone is making money or they wouldn’t be at my door every other week pushing solar panels on my roof if there wasn’t money in it. Maybe the state legislature and the governor, not to mention Southern California Edison whose grid connects directly to my house are also making money off this gravy train because they can kiss the state of California and always be assured of a profit by the CPUC, at lest top management can do very well given what corporate executive salaries have become these days. And so on and so forth for quite a ist.

    Some of these people have no excuse for not understanding the science involved but where there’s gravy there’s no resistance to the cause. Where’s the incentive to do the right thing? It isn’t there.

    I just sent a division of Edison a letter with some very challenging questions in it because they made the mistake of including a return address in their letter to me,

    Home Energy Reports
    P.O. Box 800
    Rosemead, CA 91770

    The address will tell you what it was all about.

    What Trump will finally be able to do about it is up for grabs except that he made a good choice of EPA head.

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      Roy Hogue

      PS:

      If it isn’t obvious, the letter from Edison was an effort to shame me into using less electricity, pure and simple. And if you know me you’ll know that I don’t like that kind of treatment and my response was all pointed at them for the mistreatment.

      Even though I invited a response I suspect the letter will be trashed and no one will contact me because that’s what I would do if I wanted to dodge the hard questions because I couldn’t answer them.

      :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( ANGRY!

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        If you are that angry, why not take out an advert in the newspaper for your area, saying that what they are doing looks suspiciously like extortion.

        If they don’t publish it, then they owe you a refund. If they do publish it, you have made a point. But the wording is important – get legal advice on that.

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          Roy Hogue

          I don’t think I’ll spend my money on it RW. The fix is in and climate change is now a fact. Just ask your representative in Sacramento if you don’t believe me. And people have let this happen by not paying attention and the only cure — if there is one — will be things getting bad enough that the public starts to pay more attention to politics than to who won the Super Bowl. So until that happens we can no longer use electricity. After all, it causes climate change, although how that happens remains a mystery to me.

          In the meantime it’s perfectly legal for me to use all the electrons I can pay for when the bill comes around so I plan to continue unabated and unafraid of big bad Southern California Edison.

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    bullocky

    “…… an anonymous climate scientist …..”

    Ideally qualified to do ‘peer review’!

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    PeterS

    Is it any wonder that both Labor and Turnbull have always been itching to grab a piece of the action to boost government revenues? I wait for the day when all leading participants of the game get what they deserve in some form of serious punishment.

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    pat

    this is the only G7 result on my google news page today, and look at the headline!

    Trump leaves G7 undecided on gas accord
    Sky News Australia – ‎48 minutes ago‎

    the piece is absolutely riddled with Trump FakeNewsMSM “scandals”:

    28 May: Sky News: Trump leaves G7 undecided on gas accord
    (The video selected is not currently available)
    US President Donald Trump has left the G7 summit in Sicily with a parting-shot tweet saying he hadn’t made up his mind whether to back a major accord on climate change…
    But there was no chance for journalists to question Trump, who broke with G7 protocol by not holding a news conference…

    (NOT REFERENCING CLIMATE BUT OXFAM NONETHELESS) But Edmund Cairns for the charity OXFAM expressed disappointment, describing the summit as ‘a failure’…
    The final communique was just six pages long reflecting some of the areas where progress had been made…
    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/05/28/trump-leaves-g7-undecided-on-gas-accord.html

    it’s as if the CAGW mob don’t want the result of the G7 to get out. if I copy the two relevant bits of the communique, it pastes as one word per line!

    PDF: 6 pages: G7 2017 Taormina Leaders’ Communiqué
    Climate and energy
    #31 and #32…
    http://www.g7italy.it/sites/default/files/documents/G7%20Taormina%20Leaders%27%20Communique_27052017_0.pdf

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    David Maddison

    Apart from doing the science, we must also focus on the money trail. Global warming is partly about making the elites rich and more powerful and the middle and working class poor and powerless.

    Supposed global warming and the staggering waste of money to solve the supposed problem (along with the mass population transfers of uneducated, unassimilable and violent people into civilised countries) will ultimately destroy Western Civilisation. And sooner rather than later. At current rates of civilisation destruction I don’t think we have more than ten years. Trump may be able to forestall that somewhat, at least for the USA.

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      Dennis

      A good starting point would be Goldman Sachs.

      I feel certain that many paper trails would lead to high places in political circles in many developed or first world countries, including of course Australia.

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        James Murphy

        Look at how fast the Mossack Fonseca / Panama Papers stuff disappeared from the headlines, it sank with barely a ripple, yet should have caused many a tsunami.

        Then look at the presence of the perpetrator of crimes against humanity – Robert Mugabe, at the climate conference in Paris. This poor excuse for a human being was given more respect and credence than the current democratically elected leader of the United States.

        Do you really think a definitive paper trail would do anything useful, based on past examples?

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          Dennis

          When Australian Prime Minister John Howard and Minister for Foreign Affairs Alexander Downer tried to convince Commonwealth countries to isolate and impose sanctions against Zimbabwe and Mugabe most African nations voted against.

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    pat

    27 May: ClimateChangeNews: Karl Mathiesen: G7 split as leaders issue climate statement without US
    The 97-word passage on climate from Taormina contrasts starkly with two pages devoted to the issue at last year’s meeting in Japan…
    In 2015, German chancellor Angela Merkel convinced other leaders to pledge full decarbonisation of their economies – effectively ending fossil fuel use – by the end of the century. Decarbonisation of the global economy was not mentioned in this year’s document…
    Climate change had not been discussed by the ‘sherpas’, who lead country negotiating teams and try to pre-agree all but the most controversial matters, before the meeting. As a result, the final text was left entirely to leaders to discuss…

    The US had reportedly pushed for a reference to ‘clean coal’ technology to be included in the text. The final text did include a passage on the “significant economic opportunities, in terms of growth and job creation, offered by the transformation of the energy sector and clean technology”, which Trump did agree to.
    This vaguely-worded passage could be interpreted as both an affirmation of the job creating potential of renewable energy, or the promise of carbon-capture and storage to allow coal generation to continue…

    Alden Meyer, director of strategy and policy at the Union of Concerned Scientists, said Trump’s “waffling” over the Paris deal had left him “in stark isolation…
    David Waskow, head of the World Resources Institute’s climate programme told Climate Home that it was the first time the US had stood apart from the consensus position on climate at the G7…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/05/27/trump-takes-us-brink-climate-isolation-g7/

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    Neville

    Don’t forget that Greenpeace have recently admitted in court that they don’t necessarily tell us the truth. This is a billion dollar funded group and forever ask the public for more money and ongoing support. No wonder Dr Patrick Moore is so scathing of their disgusting behaviour and anti science garbage. WUWT and Dr Patrick Moore are correct, “Greenpeace is full of sh-t.”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/03/dr-patrick-moore-was-right-greenpeace-is-full-of-shit/

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      Neville

      Well here’s my second attempt. Greenpeace are full of sh– ( just add it)according to Patrick Moore and WUWT. And in court they freely admit that they tell untruths. But even so they still urge you to donate to them so they can save the world. Sorry I can’t link to the story because the Sh ( plus it ) word is part of the link.
      Easy to find, just search Greenpeace is full of sh (it) wuwt.

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    Neville

    Geeezzz I’m in the moderation lockup again and I try so hard to be a good boy.

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    pat

    worldwide, monolithic MSM has decided ISOLATED is the meme to go with.
    3-para Reuters’ piece, BUT ***Merkel does not use the word “isolated” much less “totally isolated” in the quotes provided!

    27 May: Reuters: Merkel says G7 debate on climate was ‘very unsatisfying’
    German Chancellor Angela Merkel said at the conclusion of a G7 summit in Sicily on Saturday that a debate between leaders over climate had been “very unsatisfying”, noting the United States had been ***TOTALLY ISOLATED in its refusal to commit to the 2015 Paris climate agreement…
    (Reporting by Andreas Rinke; Writing by Noah Barkin; Editing by Crispian Balmer)
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g7-summit-merkel-idUSKBN18N0IC

    plenty of smears from the publicly-funded BBC:

    27 May: BBC: G7 talks: Trump isolated over Paris climate change deal
    How has Mr Trump’s trip gone?…
    He is now returning to the US, where his approval ratings are low.

    US media have already been casting judgement:

    ◾Conservative daily The Washington Times said Mr Trump “neared the end of his first foreign trip Thursday by largely fulfilling a transformative agenda that was more ambitious than anything Mr Obama tried overseas during his first year in office”. It went on to note “the president has made no major gaffes on the trip”

    ◾But James P. Rubin, a former assistant secretary of state for Bill Clinton, was far less forgiving. Writing in Politico Magazine, he described Mr Trump as doing little more than “muddling” through the engagements. Mr Rubin went on to say that “despite the highly staged events designed to pump up Trump’s image, the new administration has done nothing on this trip to restore respect and admiration for US international leadership”

    ◾Broadcaster ABC News, meanwhile, chose to focus on the President’s “awkward body language moments” – including pushing the Montenegrin prime minister out the way.

    Headlines in the US continue to be dominated by alleged Russian meddling in November’s election, and there are whisperings of discontent within his own party over policy decisions…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40069636

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    John Smith

    Isn’t “decarbonization” a barely disguised money scheme?
    Like paying farmers not to grow tobacco.
    This is one of the grand hypocrisies of the Left that torque my keister..
    They complain about capitalist incentives and then concoct awkward phony ‘incentives’ (tax) for their lame social engineering fantasies.
    Funny how we have suffer the wealthy elite lecturing us about how they hate money.

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      Yonniestone

      Decarbonization is a weasel word that covers many aspects of the warmist manifesto including the reduction of certain carbon based life form.

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      Subsidize – there’s money in it
      for the weather-wise,
      those who know
      which way the wind blows.

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    pat

    same mob visiting BP wind farm probably protest Big Oil. worth a read:

    VIDEOS: 30 May: Princeton Environmental Institute: Princeton researchers visit Texas wind farm for a first-hand look at growing energy sector
    Posted by: Morgan Kelly
    A group of Princeton University faculty and students experienced the burgeoning wind-power sector in person on May 3 during a visit to the Sherbino Mesa II Wind Farm in Ft. Stockton, Texas. Owned by BP, the wind farm consists of 58 operating wind turbines with a total power-generating peak capacity of 145 megawatts…

    Those on the trip included Robert Socolow, professor of mechanical and aerospace engineering, emeritus; Elie Bou-Zeid, associate professor of civil and environmental engineering; Minjie Chen, assistant professor of electrical engineering and the Andlinger Center for Energy and the Environment; and Robert Williams, a senior research scientist, emeritus, in the Andlinger Center. Joining them were Hossein Hezaveh, a postdoctoral research associate in civil and environmental engineering, and engineering graduate students Greg Davies, Ryan Edwards and Levi Golston. Support for the trip was provided by the Princeton Environmental Institute and the Andlinger Center…READ ALL
    https://environment.princeton.edu/news/princeton-researchers-visit-texas-wind-farm-first-hand-look-growing-energy-sector

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    Ava

    ” As for poor Climate Scientists, no one said they were raking it in, but compared to the rest of the scientific industry, they get rock star treatment. What other branch of science gets two-week Olympic sized conferences each year, plus television interviews, red carpet awards, and documentaries? ”

    Not to mention a share in a Nobel Prize for just being there. Other scientists have to earn theirs.

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      Graeme No.3

      They didn’t get a share of the Nobel Peace Prize which was awarded to Al Gore and the IPCC. Some of the ‘scientists’ decided that they were then entitled to claim the prize, even though it isn’t awarded with the other prizes, nor by the same government.

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    Neville

    Another accurate article from Matt Ridley just confirming that S&W energy are fra-dulent nonsense and cannot replace Fossil Fuels or Hydro or Nuclear. This couldn’t be easier to grasp yet politicians, the media, banks and big business etc continue to tell untruths to the people of the world.
    Not only do they continue to tell porkies all day and every day, year in, year out, but they continue to claim that they will serve up a better climate for the world by 2100. This is mathematically and scientifically impossible, just ask China, India and the developing world as their co2 emissions continue to soar. So what is their real agenda, or are they really this stupid?

    http://www.thegwpf.com/matt-ridley-wind-turbines-are-neither-clean-nor-green/

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      Craig Thomas

      The only accurate things Ridley has ever said is that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that human emission of CO2 is causing climate change.
      His opinions on economics are not based on any facts nor intelligent analysis.

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    pat

    27 May: NewsPressNow: Wind farm still causing concern in DeKalb County
    By Margaret Slayton
    NextEra Energy Resources based in Florida began operating 97 wind turbines near Osborn, Missouri, in December. The project in DeKalb County was one of the first by NextEra Energy to use wind turbines that were manufactured to be 500 feet tall.
    Some residents in the county have expressed concern over effects from light flicker, noise levels, vibration of buildings and a lack of access to television and weather emergency services.
    Barbara Shatto, owner of Shatto Milk Company, said a concern she has pertains to red lights flashing every few seconds at night near her business and home…
    Kim Tindel said there are around 30 turbines within five miles of her residence, with the nearest tower located around 1,400 feet from her home. Tindel said she has documented items in her house shaking…

    Billy and Sherri Sonderegger said there are around 10 wind turbines within two miles of their home.
    “I describe it as an airplane flying off in the distance but it never goes anywhere,” Billy Sonderegger said. “It’s always there. The sound just keeps coming. I’ve come home at 11 or 12 at night to unload cattle and left my pickup trailer running and I can hear it above the noise of the pickup.”…

    This month, the Vermont Public Service Board issued new noise standard rules for commercial wind turbine projects in the state of Vermont.
    If passed, the rules would impose a 42-decibel daytime noise limit and a 39-decibel limit at night. There also would be a setback requirement of 10 times the turbine’s height, meaning that a 500-foot-high turbine would need to be at least 5,000 feet away from an occupied building…READ ON
    http://www.newspressnow.com/news/local_news/wind-farm-still-causing-concern-in-dekalb-county/article_9da661b4-abac-5cc6-be1f-265d8da51fef.html

    27 May: US News & World Report: AP: Hughes County Stalls Wind Farm Projects to Study Ordinances
    Officials in a central South Dakota county have put a six-month moratorium on any wind energy development until they can study and maybe change local ordinances.
    Commission Chairman Norm Weaver said things have changed since ordinances were written about eight or nine years ago. Weaver and other commissioners agreed it would be a good idea to look at what other counties are doing, including increasing “setbacks,” which are the distances between wind turbines and homes, roads or other things nearby.

    Commissioner Tom Tveit said he has a relative with a cattle operation in North Dakota where a wind-energy company built a large turbine in the middle of a new cattle gate
    “That’s not being a good neighbor,” Tveit said.
    But he said he doesn’t want to stand in the way of economic development. Tveit said he wants the county to quickly update its zoning ordinances for wind farms…
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/south-dakota/articles/2017-05-27/hughes-county-stalls-wind-farm-projects-to-study-ordinances

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    clipe

    BEYOND ENVIRONMENT: While the Framework Convention is certainly an
    environmentally motivated agreement, it is equally an economic agreement.
    The harsh reality of climate change is that effectively responding to it
    will ultimately require a fundamental restructuring of foundations of the
    global economy. At DuPont, we have long voiced this view of climate change
    as a serious, complex issue with major risks associated with both the
    environmental and economic realities. Countries are now increasingly
    acting as if they understand that fact, and economic considerations seem to
    be rising in prominence accordingly. Certainly at this session, a hugely
    important theme was a consistent and very loud voice of the Group of 77 &
    China on a range of economics-driven concerns that came to be known as the
    “developing country issues.” These included funding for technology
    transfer, for adaptation to climate change effects, for adaptation to the
    economic effects of climate change action (compensation for fossil-fuel
    resource economies); and for meeting specific needs of least-developed
    economies. While often couched in terms of sustainable development, the
    core concerns tend to be driven by perceptions of the traditional
    north/south economic gulf and need to bridge that gulf, and the
    prescriptions always seemed to boil down to more and more money from the
    north for use by the south.

    http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0340.txt

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    27 May: Radio NZ: Robin Martin: Taranaki wind farm will have huge impact, say opponents
    Tararua Wind Power wants to build 48 wind turbines, each standing 160 metres tall, on a 980 hectare coastal site between Patea and Waverley.
    Pylons standing 14m will relay electricity to the Waverley sub-station along streets on the outskirts of the township.
    Patea farmer Paul Mitchell told the hearing he lived within a kilometre of the $325 million project.
    Mr Mitchell said it would affect the value of his property, spoil views of the sea and ruin the lifestyle he enjoyed with his five children.

    “The visual impact for us is going to be massive. Everyday when I got work if I go to the back of my farm I’m going to hear the wind turbines whirring away all day…
    “I haven’t had any contact with the Tararua Wind Farm. They haven’t been to see us, nothing. They just come along with their money build these things and bugger off and we’re left to live with the consequences.”…

    Fookes Street resident Angela Connell moved to Waverley after being affected by wind farms at Makuri in the Wairarapa.
    Mrs Connell told the hearing the transmission pylons would pass in front of her home and she could not believe she was going through a similar “nightmare” all over again…READ ALL
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/331732/taranaki-wind-farm-will-have-huge-impact-say-opponents

    27 May: Tulsa World: Wind industry calls Oklahoma marketplace ‘uncertain’ as end of incentive approaches
    Wind industry unsure of Oklahoma marketplace as end of incentive nears
    By Samuel Hardiman
    Oklahoma’s burgeoning wind energy capacity was accompanied by the swelling cost of the state subsidies that encouraged the industry’s growth.

    That accommodating competitive environment seems to be changing rapidly. For turbines that come on line after July 1, a key subsidy — the zero-emissions facilities tax credit — won’t be available.
    Its disappearance has caused some in the wind industry to tell the World that Oklahoma is creating an “uncertain” competitive and regulatory climate.

    Yet, the industry itself agreed that the zero emission tax incentives were no longer necessary to spur private investment. They just thought the sunset would come later…READ ON
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/energy/wind-industry-calls-oklahoma-marketplace-uncertain-as-end-of-incentive/article_b4e44d05-9603-5fe6-b824-ef9e35a90707.html

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    pat

    anonymous sources, but fingers crossed. Axios does get some insider scoops:

    27 May: Twitter: NIDP Umbrella: BREAKING: President Trump has told aides he plans to withdraw the US from the Paris agreement on climate change
    (via Axios)
    https://twitter.com/nirpumbrella/status/868632941328519169

    27 May: Axios: Scoop: Trump tells confidants U.S. will quit Paris climate deal
    by Jonathan Swan, Amy Harder
    President Trump has privately told multiple people, including EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, that he plans to leave the Paris agreement on climate change, according to three sources with direct knowledge…

    The White House has told Pruitt to lay off doing TV appearances until Trump announces his decision on Paris. (In past weeks, the EPA Administrator has gone on TV to say the U.S. needs to quit Paris, but Pruitt told aides he’ll be keeping a lower profile. He doesn’t want a Paris withdrawal to be seen as his victory. “It needs to be the President’s victory,” one source said, paraphrasing what Pruitt has told aides.)…READ ALL
    https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-tells-confidants-he-plans-to-leave-paris-climate-deal-2424446776.html

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    pat

    ***Merkel speaks the truth!

    27 May: Breitbart: Charlie Spiering: Merkel Mad: Donald Trump Declines to Endorse Paris Climate Agreement
    “The Paris deal isn’t just any other deal. It is a key agreement that ***SHAPES today’s globalization,” Merkel said…
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/27/merkel-mad-trump-declines-endorse-paris-climate-agreement/

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    pat

    despite the summary mentioning “concerns”, they are not about CAGW, but the loss of grave sites & religious buildings. that only accounts for a few seconds of the video. worth watching:

    VIDEO: 3min12secs: 27 May: Aljazeera: Pakistan’s new coal project to provide power for 200 years
    A new coal mining project in the Thar desert is expected to provide enough power to last 200 years.
    It’s also bringing jobs and opportunities to a community which has faced drought and famine.
    But many people have concerns about being uprooted from their ancestral land.
    Al Jazeera’s Kamal Hyder reports from Tharparkar, Sindh
    http://www.aljazeera.com/video/news/2017/05/pakistans-coal-project-provide-power-200-years-170527115829763.html

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    read the whole sorry saga:

    27 May: KDR TV Kenya: Delays jolt mega wind power project
    Kenyans may have to wait longer for cheaper electricity as uncertainty hangs over the ambitious Lake Turkana Wind Power Project expected to inject 310 megawatts of cleaner energy into the national grid.
    It was hoped consumers would get a reprieve from next week as the clock ticks towards the deadline for connection to the grid of electricity from the project.
    However, the project is held back by a controversy surrounding the completion of a 400KV, 428 kilometre line from its fields at Loyangalani to Suswa for six months now.

    An initial deadline for completion of setting up the evacuation lines was set to be on December 31 last year but was pushed forward to June 1 after the government and the project entered a last-minute agreement at the end of last year…
    There is a standoff over interpretation of a clause in the Power Purchase Agreement (PPA) signed between the government and project owners in August 2014. Both parties are in disagreement on whether the taxpayer is supposed to pay a Sh700 monthly fine to the owners of the project in case power lines are not completed in time. Lake Turkana Wind Power Project is a consortium of international companies comprising KP&P Africa BV and Aldwych International as co-developers, Investment Fund for Developing Countries, Vestas Eastern Africa Limited, Finnish Fund for Industrial Cooperation Ltd, KLP Norfund Investments AS and Sandpiper. Yesterday, the company through its public relations company Redhouse PR, said it had kept its end of the bargain and is ready to inject power into the grid.

    “We have erected all the 365 turbines and have commissioned all of them to a capacity of 310MW as we speak,” said the company. “What is remaining is the setting up of transmission lines. They (government) had said that by the time we commission the turbines, the lines will be complete but this has not taken place,” said the company.
    The company now says the government has given it a new deadline of June 31.
    This means for another month, cheap power will be going to waste in the desert while Kenyans continue paying high tariffs for electricity…

    ***When complete, it is estimated that the Sh75 billion project which is the largest private power generation attempt in Kenya, could slash electricity bills by half.
    http://www.kdrtv.com/delays-jolt-mega-wind-power-project/

    ***good luck with that.

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    Amber

    The grant dependant renewable robbers have done just fine off the global warming scam
    and sadly only a few climate modeller’s were cut in on the action for serving their purpose .
    The losers were the tax payers and other fields of science who were global warming road kill .

    Well at least Merkel admitted what the motive has always been .
    Globalization, funded by an overhyped scam .

    We can only hope a few other politicians now get some backbone (even blame Trump for their lack of courage if they must )
    but start looking after tax payers instead climate con men .

    Lets hope President Trump keeps his promise .

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