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Trump takes away EPA “right” to control every puddle in USA: WOTUS executive order

Smile. One more noxious, power-grabbing bit of legislation: fixed.

Farmers and land-owners lost control of the puddles and ditches on their land under the guise of environmental protection.

Remarks by President Trump at Signing of Waters of the United States (WOTUS) Executive Order

The EPA’s so-called “Waters of the United States” rule is one of the worst examples of federal regulation, and it has truly run amok, and is one of the rules most strongly opposed by farmers, ranchers and agricultural workers all across our land. It’s prohibiting them from being allowed to do what they’re supposed to be doing. It’s been a disaster.

The Clean Water Act says that the EPA can regulate “navigable waters” — meaning waters that truly affect interstate commerce. But a few years ago, the EPA decided that “navigable waters” can mean nearly every puddle or every ditch on a farmer’s land, or anyplace else that they decide — right? It was a massive power grab. The EPA’s regulators were putting people out of jobs by the hundreds of thousands, and regulations and permits started treating our wonderful small farmers and small businesses as if they were a major industrial polluter. They treated them horribly. Horribly.

If you want to build a new home, for example, you have to worry about getting hit with a huge fine if you fill in as much as a puddle — just a puddle — on your lot. I’ve seen it. In fact, when it was first shown to me, I said, no, you’re kidding aren’t you? But they weren’t kidding.

In one case in a Wyoming, a rancher was fined $37,000 a day by the EPA for digging a small watering hole for his cattle. His land. These abuses were, and are, why such incredible opposition to this rule from the hundreds of organizations took place in all 50 states. It’s a horrible, horrible rule. Has sort of a nice name, but everything else is bad. (Laughter.) I’ve been hearing about it for years and years. I didn’t know I’d necessarily be in this position to do something about it, but we’ve been hearing about it for years.

With today’s executive order, I’m directing the EPA to take action, paving the way for the elimination of this very destructive and horrible rule.

So I want to thank everybody for being here. And I will sign wherever I’m supposed to sign. There we are.

h/t David B

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    TdeF

    $37,000 a day for putting a hole in the ground in the country on your farm! That’s lunatic. What threat to the environments is that? It would be understandable in a National Park but not on a farm to water cattle.

    How many people does it take in Washington to administer every piece of real estate to that degree? Are these real jobs? Does the EPA really have 15,000 people? Then I suppose our Australian CSIRO has 5,330 and how much comes from that in return on a $billion budget for 100 years? Still for $100Bn we do have a diet. Australian science shining bright.

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      Tdef

      Maybe he had to remove this power before he was allowed to drain the swamp?

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      Yonniestone

      $37,000 a day is wilfully justified by administrators who have been gifted an obscene amount of power over normal productive law abiding citizens that should be held in high regard for providing an essential commodity for their nation for modest return and absent respect.

      I’d suggest the only use EPA oligarchs would be on a farm is fertiliser but the risk of creating dead ground or hemlock is a far too serious matter to consider.

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      peter

      It happens here too!

      Last year a local property owner in the Hunter Valley dug a small hole in his land and burnt some old furniture and clothing that had been water-damaged from an extreme wet weather event. Local Council (Muswellbrook) fined him for illegal disposal of hazardous waste and demanded he remove any remaining material, ash or otherwise hazardous residue from the hole in his land. Which he complied with but they then threatened him with legal action and fines unless he provided proof (chemical testing)that the ground was not contaminated. He had to pay all costs.

      It’s lucky he didn’t try to have a family BBQ on his land. :-(

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        Oliver K. Manuel

        For safety purposes, idiot administrators of federal agencies took control of the chemistry stockroom at the University of Missouri and dumped old bottles of high-purity chemicals in landfills.

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        Dennis

        Wasn’t that the council that also required a land owner to replant a tree he had removed to construct a vehicle access track without permission? A dead tree had to be returned to a hole in the ground standing vertically again.

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        Rereke Whakkaro

        It’s lucky he didn’t try to have a family BBQ on his land

        I don’t see what the problem would be, with a family BBQ. Most families predominantly consist of meat protein, after all.

        Mind you, they can be a bugger to catch sometimes.

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          AndyG55

          RW, what do kiwis taste like.. a bit like chicken ? ;-)

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            Rereke Whakkaro

            Dunno! Never caught one. Sneaky sods only come out at night, when I have had a few of the golden brew.

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          GKHoff

          They are definitely hard to catch, not to mention the other food preparation techniques. But that’s why there are Family Restaurants, so you don’t have to go through all that trouble.

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      Greebo

      It’s what Brumby wanted to do in Victoria when he was Treasurer. Well, not exactly, but the spirit was the same. Tax on water tanks, tax on farm dams. Surprising he didn’t want to tax fish ponds… hang on…

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      Roy Hogue

      Have you seen the map of the U.S. with everywhere the UN Wild Lands Initiative says humans can’t go, can’t live, can’t work, all marked in red.

      The whole country is red. Never mind the EPA for mindless stupidity, the UN is at the head of that line.

      We made a bad mistake each time we created a huge organization and told it to protect us from ourselves — UN, EPA, Homeland Security, Department of Education, Department of Energy, Department of Health and Human Services, BOM… …it doesn’t matter where they are or what the mandate was. And it wasn’t that there was no problem to solve because there was. The trouble came in always because these big bloated organizations are not accountable to the people in any reasonable way at all.

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        OriginalSteve

        Its called “Rewilding” under Agenda 21 and the ultimate plan is to herd humans into mega cities so they can be “contained”….

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          Roy Hogue

          I expect that Ted Turner, a big fan of returning the land to its wild state, would be among those yelling and screaming as loud as anyone about it once it got going. But I think it’s been superceded by Agenda-2030 which is so broad and sweeping that it leaves no room for anything else — the perfect dictatorship.

          Serves him right for marrying Hanoi Jane. No, no, no, Roy. He got out of that arrangement, remember? We need to divorce the UN and order their whole operation out of the country. All that complex they have in New York City on the bank of the East River in Manhattan could become a museum used to teach our children the danger of telling someone to save us from ourselves. In fact, to teach them not to fear anything in the first place so we don’t need anyone to save us.

          I keep asking myself how I got this far in life without a nanny to hold my hand and tuck me snugly into bed every night. How did I manage without even a glass of warm milk or a cookie to go with it, much less a bedtime story? Either I suffered a lot and still don’t recognize it (in denial) or it was too easy to get wrong. Either way I have no love for the United Nations.

          Liberalism may well be the mental disorder that some experts have suggested. Why else would they keep on trying what doesn’t solve any problem?

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            OriginalSteve

            Tower of Babel…..

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            Roy Hogue March 2, 2017 at 9:36 am

            “We need to divorce the UN and order their whole operation out of the country. All that complex they have in New York City on the bank of the East River in Manhattan could become a museum used to teach our children the danger of telling someone to save us from ourselves.”

            To show proper respect for the UN, I suggest the complex also be re-purposed as the NYC Waste-water Treatment Facility! This is similar to what the Koreans did to the Japanese Palace in Seoul (Gyeongbokgung)! Not in the tour guides, but the cab drivers know!

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              Roy Hogue

              Proper respect would be to bulldoze that big office complex into the river. Otherwise we could have the UN’s epitaph chiseled into it and leave it as an example to fools. I always did think it resembled a grave marker anyway.

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          Glen Michel

          Box them in and don’t make them think outside the box. Green fascism- or Neo-Marxism. Too many are dumbed down and compliant.Have you had your soma citizen?

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        Ted O'Brien

        Roy you’ve hit a big one there. A society which legislates to protect its citizens from their own stupidity is a society that is on the skids.

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          Roy Hogue

          Now if I only knew how to reverse it all. I don’t think Trump can live long enough to address all the things gone wrong.

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            The USA is in the early stages of what may become a Hundred Years War.

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              Ernest Bush

              As one who has a vested interest in grandchildren, I can truly say that it will be a much shorter war than that. There are millions of U.S. Vets and associated people with billions of rounds. Trump’s election may be the only thing that will save the union.

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        DEA.

        Privatize FDA – UL or similar. They can offer levels of testing.

        SAFE

        SAFE and EFFECTIVE

        SAFE and EFFECTIVE 5 Years

        SAFE and EFFECTIVE 10 Years

        The 5 year rating is years of public use. 10 years similar.

        Then they could also do DNA vs effectiveness and lots of other things the market might demand.

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        Oliver K. Manuel

        The UN (united nations) and UNAS (united national academies of sciences) were created on 24 OCT 1945.

        George Orwell recognized this totalitarian threat to society and moved from London to the Scottish Isle of Jura in 1946 to start writing the futuristic novel, Nineteen Eighty-Four.”

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        Rereke Whakkaro

        I firmly believe that I have a sacred right to order my own life and affairs, and to stuff up my own life, if I so wish, as long as I do not impinge on the right of others to also have the same sacred right to order their own lives and affairs, as they see fit.

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      CC Reader

      I live ion acreage in Colorado where water rights are very strict. One can not sink a well unless they own 5 acres and then the only place the water can be used is in the house. No irrigation or grass watering. If you own 35 or more acres one can water domestic animals like a horse. One can then water so many square feet of land. One can not use or store the water from their downspouts. One can not build a dam so as to restrict the flow of water. We average 15″ of water/year. My well is 425′ down. 20 acres is required to feed one horse/year.

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        KinkyKeith

        CC

        Here in Newcastle, in the city, we have the opposite problem: when building a new home there is a requirement that rooftop water must go into a storage tank, mine is about 3 cubic metres. It’s called grey water but the costs and maintenance issues of such fiddley small units compared to large storage dams is a disaster.

        Another green act of stupidity designed to reduce the need for new major dams but which is simply Tokenism.

        A complete shambles.

        KK

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          Dennis

          Noting re dams that during the late 1960s the NSW Coalition Government set aside lands for at least two new dams and in the early 1990s the NSW Labor Government handed those lands over as new National Parks. Premier Bob Carr a Labor Green.

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        Roy Hogue

        CC, KK,

        Have you tried (un)civil disobedience yet? I hear that it’s going to be a big item on the news for at least the next 4 years.

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          KinkyKeith

          Roy

          Don’t tell anybody but my tank is now disconnected following a breakdown of the internal pump ( made in China) after 3 years.

          A total waste of AUD $4,000.

          A lot of this stuff, like the now obligatory heat pump mounted on top of the hot water service at another property, is made to just get past initial Local Government inspection and then serve for a few months before failing.

          Just adds to the stupidity.

          KK

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            John PAK

            I agree that these items should not be obligatory however, my mother-in-law (in the Sydney Blue Mtns) has an old Quantum heat pump HWS with the copper evaporator plates spread across the roof. It has provided her with hot water for 12 years and was old when she purchased the house. It is very efficient and uses even less electricity now that I have it on a timer so it is no longer trying to pull heat out of cold night-time air.

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            Roy Hogue

            Don’t tell anybody but…

            KK,

            By this point in life I have such a long list of things I’m not telling anyone that adding your disconnected tank won’t be any bother. While I’m not telling a long list of things I’ll just slip in not telling anyone what you did and we’ll all be square with the regulatory world.

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              Roy Hogue

              You must consider that if you don’t tell anyone you’ll have lost your change for a real good civil disobedience rally complete with the fame and fortune that goes with making waves. ;-)

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        CheshireRed

        Shame you don’t sit on an oil well; you could do pretty much what you want with that.

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        Lawrie

        In NSW a farmer may only harvest 10% of the rain that falls on his land. The other 90% is for the environment. I guess farms are not part of the environment.

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      Fuel Filter

      Jo, please give our new leader the honor of calling him “President Trump”.

      And if you absolutely have to, please refer to the pervious president as “Chocolate Jesus” or “Mister Lightbringer” as the S.F. Chronicle did.

      At least give him due resort.

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      Duster

      The regulations explicitly exclude “puddles” and various other features: 40 CFR 230 §230.3(2)i-vii. The regulations also explicitly limit to the definition to waters that could be “used” in interstate commerce, or are subject to tidal ebb and flow. It also calls out certain natural forms explicitly – basically regional versions of potholes that support unusual flora and fauna. These don’t trouble ranchers unless they decide to subdivide the ranch, switch from grazing to monumentally SUBSIDIZED irrigated crops, or similar scams. US “farmers” are mostly agribusiness conglomerates and the primary administrators would not know a crop if they were in it when it was harvested.

      But, the EPA and – BTW – the US Army Corps of Engineers seem to have sort of boiled over about what constitutes “wetland.” I occasionally have to work with Corps people – never had the dubious pleasure of dealing with the EPA. (Sad, they once did some good work. We haven’t had a river catch fire for decades.) The Corps personnel I’ve dealt with were going crazy because apparently lawyers were handing out dictums that increased the workload immensely. Apparently they read the definitions differently. Years ago there was a lower size limit in acres on what fell under WotUS consideration, but that seems to have been washed hot, dried hot, and shrunk, a lot.

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        Rereke Whakkaro

        The infantry have a clear definition of what constitutes a wetland: You are in one, when your boots fill with water.

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          Roy Hogue

          What are you in when it’s up to your ears? And that’s where we have been for a long time.

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          J Cuttance

          Rereke, have you noticed in kiwi papers, with all the hallmarks of an orchestrated campaign, the movement to make rivers swimmable by 2040 – for the children.

          The EPA has well and truly taken over our country.

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            KinkyKeith

            Why not next week??

            Then someone could measure their progress.

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            Roy Hogue

            After a few children are swept downstream they’ll change their tune. Too late of course but they’ll change it. It’ll probably come with a big dose of rationalizing the prior decision away based on… …[and you can put in whatever you think right here and probably be right].

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    john karajas

    What a breath of fresh air!

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    Robert Rosicka

    Trump might drain the swamp after all

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      Ursus Augustus

      He certainly pulled the plug on that bit of eco-fascist lunacy. How many eco-einsatzgruppenfuhrers will be out of a job is what I want to know. (Just out of curiosity and as a measure of merit of course. I could not give a stuff that these so and so’s are unemployed.)

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      Greebo

      Well, I watched his Address to Congress Speech. I’m not sure walking softly is his style, but he sure carries a big stick.

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        Dennis

        So much for the “fake news” we were told about President Trumps’s phone call with Prime Minister Turnbull, and the insinuation that it was a disaster for Turnbull. Part of Trump’s address to Congress praised Australia’s border control and immigration system.

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          Ernest Bush

          Your immigration system could serve as a model for the U.S. However, it has been in place for longer than Turnbull has been alive, I gather. Given the state of our economy, we should severely restrict immigration until there are good jobs available for Americans, the people that the Democrats have been ignoring for many decades.

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          Rereke Whakkaro

          Trump’s address to Congress praised Australia’s border control

          And quite rightly so. Australia’s borders haven’t moved in decades. And if that is not control, I don’t know what is.

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      David Maddison

      Literally!

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    Will the person sticking red thumbs on all preceding 3 comments kindly tell us what he/she does not like about this action of Trump’s?

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      Bushkid

      Maybe it makes their knees jerk……

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      Yonniestone

      1 – It benefits humanity.
      2 – They’re indoctrinated Greens.
      3 – See above.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      … kindly tell us what he/she does not like about this …

      It does not align well with prepubescent angst.

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        Roy Hogue

        Now there’s another one liner I wish I had said. Green thumb from me Rereke.

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        OriginalSteve

        I fear you are still being too kind….

        Kinder is probably closer to the mark. I recall the bulk of those celebrating margaret thatchers demise hadnt been born while thatchers activities were going on…talk about impressionable toddlers…

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      Rod Stuart

      Their mommy hasn’t told them it’s bed time.

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      john karajas

      He/she has probably never had a productive day’s work in his/her life.

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    Robert Rosicka

    I know it’s OT but an organisation I’m a member of had a guest speaker today , an ex very high up the food chain ADF employee .
    He had been at the top/ near top / involved in decision making or giving the govt advice since the Howard years so has seen every Australian deployment since the Howard years .
    His personal views did not cover CAGW but everything else from people smuggling turnbacks to Iraq and Afghanistan and even Syria his experience was probably second to none .
    He even made mention of Obummer and Trump , he was not a fan of Obummer saying if war breaks out in the china sea people will automatically blame trump , but Obummer could have stopped china but didn’t , he also kept changing the don’t cross this line in Syria .
    Some things we either knew or suspected , others we had no idea and the vast majority still don’t .

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      Obummer, like the Clintons, was a great fan of China – not that I think he should have gone to war with China. The Chinese hoped to make a mint out of their carbon credits – and that is why they supported the AGW agenda.

      “Bill Clinton Collected Donations, Then US Missile Tech Shipped To China”

      http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/02/flashback-bill-clinton-collected-donations-then-us-missile-tech-shipped-to-china/

      The corruption of these people is extraordinary – but the newspapers don’t want to know.

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      Ursus Augustus

      Off topic but not that far. Obummer let the EPA run riot and at the same time let the Chinese run riot and rhe Syrians.

      He never flew higher than accepting his Nobel gong and in doing so signalled to China, Putin, Assad et al that he was nowt but a vacuous, narcissistic, political, pretty boy. His greatest asset was that he was a Slick Willy who could keep his willy in the family.

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    PeterPetrum

    I have just listened to excerpts from Trump”s address to Congress, including this issue. What a measured, powerful speech. Inspiring. The 2 minutes of applause for the widow of the navy Seal killed last month was emotional, but tempered by Trump’s final remark that he (the Seal) was “looking down and smiling, because he knew he had just broken a record!” It was a mood lightener that even had the widow laughing. What a man, and we have Turnbull!

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      Yonniestone

      Just finished watching it also Peter, he has a real humanity about him that doesn’t feel contrived or false, the Navy Seal tribute caught a little sand in the eye.

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        PeterPetrum

        Me too, Yonnie, the tears started to flow to match hers, it must be so raw at the moment. Trump just seems to be so aware of people and what they are going through. He is a human being, in the true sense of the word. I wish him every success in what he knows he needs to do.

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          jorgekafkazar

          Obama would have had to smear hot sauce in his eyes, as he did last year, to appear to cry. Then he blew it by laughing when it worked.

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          That’s what true Americans (and Australians, and etc.) are like, and it comes directly from Jesus’s teachings (which is not the same thing as “Christianity”, for a lot of “Christians”).

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        rapscallion

        Amazingly, two people have marked your comment down. It beggars belief

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          GD

          Amazingly, two people have marked your comment down

          These trolls are rostered on, surely. They start their shift on Jo’s blog and realise the easiest way to fill their quota is to throw out lots of red thumbs at random. On other blogs, which don’t have a ‘down’ vote, they have to work a bit harder by actually writing something.

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            AndyG55

            As I’ve always said, and uncommented red thumb is worth twice a green thumb, at least

            1. You know you got under the red thumber’s skin… I get lots of red thumbs. ;-)

            2. You know that they haven’t got the intelligence to comment

            I rarely red thumb, and if I do, they will know why, in nice gentle terms of course. ;-) .

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            Ted O'Brien

            I welcome red thumbs to read my comments. They are the people we need to reach.

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        Raven

        An hour long speech, wasn’t it?
        And all done without an Autocue.
        That alone is impressive in this day and age of ‘structured messaging’.

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          PeterPetrum

          Not sure about that, Raven. He kept on looking left and right and never centre, so I think he probably had auto que off centre. However, I don’t think he was reading directly, but using prompts for a speech he had rehearsed. I have done a lot of public speaking and I just used to use notes on card (no AQ in my day) and would rehearse like mad before the big day. He was very polished and fluid, obviously believed in what he said.

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            PeterPetrum

            Ohh! I am in moderation. Is the “m*d” word the problem?

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              I acknowledge that you got in before me but your earlier reply was in moderation when I responded. So, are you happy that the promptors were using renewables? Raven seems to be pleased about it.

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            Raven

            Yes, Peter, that looks to be the case. My bad.

            Gee Aye seems to have left the building in search of South American pack animals.
            I hope he makes it back OK.

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          He used two telepromptors

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        Roy Hogue

        …he has a real humanity about him that doesn’t feel contrived or false…

        Absolutely true, Yoni. And that leaves me wondering why he went around picking the fights with people he didn’t need to fight with and striking back at every little thing. So now I’m also wondering if the Donald Trump of the campaign and still going at it isn’t contrived to keep his name in front of the public. Maybe I shouldn’t dismiss that part of him so easily.

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          Power Grab

          I personally feel like he does it to keep the MSM talking about the things he chooses. It’s hard enough to get the to talk about things that matter.

          Maybe it’s like flying over enemy territory to see if you get shot at it. If you do, then you can figure out where they’re hiding and deal with them.

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            toorightmate

            Brisbane’s Courier Mail has a finance journo who wrote that the Trump speech did not inspire the stock market???
            It might be the same Trevor Chappell who was daft enough to follow his brother’s instruction in NZ.
            The Oz market was down about 30 points most of yesterday..
            Trump made his speech.
            By the time the Oz market closed it was down 7 points with futures well up.
            Japan, Hong Kong, India, Germany Switzerland, France, London and New York markets all continued to rise. New York closed at a record level, by the length of the Flemington Straight.
            Could I suggest that the Courier Mail sacks Chappell and replace him with someone who has a vague clue as to what they are writing about.

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            Rereke Whakkaro

            Maybe it’s like flying over enemy territory to see if you get shot at …

            That only tends to work once.

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          Totally Irrelevant

          I can’t say what President Trump is doing, as I have never met the man. Were I in his position, I would be using misdirection. He had to know coming into this that he would be opposed from nearly every possible angle. So, why would he not pick fights and strike back? Let his opponents waste much of their efforts and resources opposing things he couldn’t care less about. Their efforts will be diluted. A full-blown effort to oppose every move takes a lot of effort and political capital. So, I hope to watch them waste much of their efforts on the wrong areas.
          That’s my opinion, and it’s just a possiblity.

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      KinkyKeith

      That was inspiring Peter.

      It made me feel that if America can do it then there is a strong possibility that Australia can also have a human being running our country in the not so distant future.

      KK

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        PeterPetrum

        You are an optimist, Keith. Because we do not have a presidential system we have to rely on an existing politician swimming to the top. I cannot see any of the present crowd, including independents, who could hold a candle to the potential that Trump espouses.

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          Gerry, England

          We have the same problem here in the UK. All we are offered is parties of varying degrees of leftness. Although some may think the Conservative party is of the right or indeed conservative, it is indistinguishable from Blair’s New Labour, hence the Blue Labour tag. If you blindly listed policies from the Tories and Corbyn’s Labour you would be surprised, or shocked, at how many are just the same or could be from either party.

          We also suffer from something you people in Aus and the US don’t, over 40 years of slow transformation into part of a new superstate. This has left our politicians with virtually no idea how this country operates. This can be seen as we advance to the trigger point for Brexit. Many truly believe that countries trade on WTO rules alone and that Australia, China, US have no trade agreements with the EU to prove that it is possible. But there are agreements. The US has over 20 agreements to facilitate trade.

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          Ted O'Brien

          Maybe so, but they can still travel in Trump’s wake.

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          Glen Michel

          Morrison or Dutton by the end of the year. Any preference ?

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      mikewaite

      Things may be changing . On the radio this morning the BBC , normally the most rabid of all the antiTrump attack dogs called his speech “well constructed” and “well delivered”.

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        Roy Hogue

        Truthful at least. It’s too bad there was more to it than that. I think that little omission is why the oath in a courtroom demands that we tell not only the truth but the whole truth. Perhaps broadcasters need an oath, recited daily under penalty of perjury.

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      Ursus Augustus

      I have a theory that Trump has just continued to play the same game since his win and inauguration that he did through his campaign, i.e in the face of the media, Trump the celbrity, Trump the Twitterer etc etc. As he starts to rescind Obummer absurdities, get a budget debate going, sketch out a strategy to be more assertive internationally but requiring allies to pick up their share of the load, he will start to appear more ‘rational’ and considered and in doing so make utter fools of all the leftard chattertariat who have been frothing at the mouth. And then he will start to ‘kick ass’ as the Yanks say.

      And yeah, we’ve got Turnbull with BS as backup. Groan…

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        Dean from Ohio

        I opened a Twitter account two days ago so I could follow President Trump. My first task in my new account was to block about 10 or 12 way out Prog Twitter account suggestions (Obama, Sanders, Warren, NYT, WaPo, etc.) before the “do you want fewer suggestions ” message finally came up. The propaganda is strong with them. Like all
        leftists, Twitter recognizes that in the marketplace of ideas, Progressives lose. Progressivism poisons everything.

        Make media great again!

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        ROM

        Re the Democrats and the Soros financed rabidly leftist and violent activists;

        —————–
        The stages of political Grief;

        Shock ; was absolute amongst the left, the liberal progressives and the Democrats when Trump won the Presidential election over that favorite of the progressive’s, the corrupt Hillary Clinton of the now infamous “deplorables” comment.
        .

        Denial; as the Democrats and progressives tried to undermine Trump’s win ; Trump didn’t win the election because Clinton got more votes than he did, due no doubt and in part to a whole very large contigent of illegal immigrants in California voting for or whose vote was cast by whom we might never know, for Clinton.
        .

        Anger ; the leftard progressives lost and just could not, can not handle the fact that their self centric elitist view of the world was comprehensively discarded into the dust bin of politics by those ignorant “deplorables” out there in the American Heartland fly over country.
        The open, very public display of the “anger” stage of the political grief of the progressives is now drawing to a close as they are finally beginning to realise that all their public displays of violent anger are backfiring with the ordinary Americans and is beginning to develop a harder backlash against the progressives even amongst their own voters who are becoming sick of the continuous and violent spewing of hatred against Trump.
        .

        Bargaining ; The bargaining on both sides is beginning as the Democrats and no doubt the more reasonable progressives realise that Trump is there to stay for the next four years and they had better find some way of working with him to try and salvage some of their own ideological hang ups.
        .

        Depression ; is now making its first appearance amongst the Democrats as they begin to realise what they have thrown away in their huge regression towards the left of American politics and the consequent losses in their Congressional seats, their Senate seats and their State Governor ships with the prospects of more losses to come, unless they can modify their politics to account for the American middle classes desires and demands and reject the more radical views and demands of the city centric Soros and Steyer financed radical leftist elites.
        .

        And finally there will be an “Acceptance” amongst the largest majority of Americans of a “Trump presidency”, an acceptance that is already being urged in some of the media by even some of the more honest and thoughtful Democrats and those democrats who are up for re-election in states that Trump carried in winning the Presidency.

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          Raven

          [...] Trump is there to stay for the next four years [...]

          As I understand it, the mid-term elections already look favourable for an increased Republican majority (someone correct me if I’m wrong).

          From there it’s not too much of a stretch to see eight years of Donald Trump . . presuming he wants to hang around, of course.
          During that eight years, there’s enough time for Trump’s initial policies to bear some verifiable fruit.

          Eight years is also enough time for the less supportive Republicans to recognise Trump is onto a winning strategy.
          If someone comes forward pledging to continue that Trump strategy, Republicans might well be in office for 16 years.

          No IPCCC model was harmed during these projections. ;)

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            Raven March 2, 2017 at 12:57 pm

            “As I understand it, the mid-term elections already look favourable for an increased Republican majority (someone correct me if I’m wrong).From there it’s not too much of a stretch to see eight years of Donald Trump . . presuming he wants to hang around, of course.”

            I prefer reelection using the same ‘selling technique’! Then quickly turning that gory mess over to Mike Pence for 8 years, while The Donald grooms his lovely ‘putty handler’ daughter.

            “During that eight twelve years, there’s enough time for Trump’s initial policies to bear some verifiable fruit.”

            Perhaps Ivanka will skip “President” and go for Queen!

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              Raven

              Haha, Will . . Queen Ivanka indeed.
              I’m not sure Americans would go for that if their last ‘interaction’ with British royalty is any guide . . but a home grown American one? . . why the hell not. ;)

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                Raven

                Oh, look . . everything’s now changed to bold type.
                I’m blaming Will with his ‘Queen’ thing . . that was a bold enough suggestion all on it’s own. ;)

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        ROM

        Everybody is looking at Trump and his impact on American and global politics.

        Maybe Jo could do us all a favour by a blog post on the European political scenery as well particularly if May in the UK gets the House of Lord’s sorted out and begins the Brexit on time this month of March which appears to be on track

        Then there is Marine Le Pen in France who seems to be edging ever closer to the French Presidency as various scandals have caught up with the left candidates such as Hollande and Fillon, the centrist party presidential candidate.

        Geert Wilders of the Netherlands whose anti middle east [ Isl---c ] immigrant “Party for Freedom” was temporarily leading the polls but is now second in the polls with the Dutch election due this month of March.

        The Austrian Freedom Party presidential candidate Norbet Hofer almost made the Austrian Presidency in mid 2016 being defeated, just, in the run off vote after an appeal to the Austria’s highest court.

        Hungary’s Viktor Orban and Slovakia’s Robert Fico, talk about defending a “Christian culture” against Muslims and foreigners.

        Germany’s anti immigrant “Alternative for Deutschland” is now close to seeing off Merkel’s attempts to once again rule Germany as she and the centrist left leaning Coalition of Christian Democrats and the Christian Social Union stagnate in the polls.

        And much as many might like to avoid it, Putin in Russia will quite likely try to fit in and even develop a considerable level of co-operation if the Europeans definitely move to the political right as seems very likely in the not very distant future or even as from mid this year on.

        Trump is the lead figure in what could well be a radical shift to the right across the politics of the European inhabited nations and the consequences will need to be reckoned with by all those involved.

        The left for the present has aged politically and is losing its relevance and public good will in many nations and is becoming increasingly corrupt and violent even in the USA , a long term and characteristicly inherent tendency of the left to resort to extreme violence and assassinations when they no longer can control a populace through even the most corrupted versions of a democratic form of government, a characteristic of the hard left that in a severe backlash led to the rise of the equally violent far right parties and individuals of the first half of the twentieth century.

        The rabid radical hard Left uses constant propaganda as its weapon against the right and constantly brands the Right as killers and fascists.

        But it is the extreme hard Left of politics who have been in fact been the organisers and instigators as the greatest mass killers of humanity during the last century past as we see with Stalin’s Russia and its 30 million of its own citizens dead from human induced famines and the Gulag.

        Plus the likes of the extremist Pol Pot and Uganda’s Idi Amin, a killer whose deeds were never really reported in the western world’s media again..

        Plus many other hard left killer regimes in Cuba and El Salvador.
        And under Mao in China with his 30 million plus dead from starvation during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.
        And that doesn’t count the political killings running into tens of millions of the Chinese pre Communist middle class as Mao eliminated any and all real and potential opposition.

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      Greebo

      I watched the whole thing. No soaring rhetoric, no ideology, just heartfelt Americanism. His tribute to the girl with the rare disease, and her father, even forced the Democrats to their feet, much to their chagrin.

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    I luv it so. IPA no longer master
    of all they survey…

    ‘But though, to landsmen in general,
    the native inhabitants of the seas have
    ever been regarded with emotions
    unspeakably unsocial and repelling;
    though we know the sea to be an ever
    lasting terra incognita, so that
    Columbus sailed over numberless unknown
    worlds to discover his one superficial
    western one; though, by vast odds, the
    most terrific of all mortal disasters
    have immemorially and indiscriminately
    befallen tens and hundreds of thousands
    of those who have gone upon the waters;
    though but a moment’s consideration will
    teach, that however baby man may brag of
    his science and skill, and however much,
    in a flattering future, that science and
    skill may augment; yet forever and forever,
    to the crack of doom, the sea will insult
    and murder him, and pulverise the
    stateliest, stiffest frigate he can make; nevertheless, by the continual repetition
    of these very impressions, man has lost
    that sense of the full awfulness of the
    sea which aboriginally belongs to it. 6
    The first boat we read of, floated on
    an ocean, that with Portuguese vengeance
    had whelmed a whole world without leaving
    so much as a widow. That same ocean rolls
    now; that same ocean destroyed the wrecked
    ships of last year. Yea, foolish mortals,
    Noah’s flood is not yet subsided; two-
    thirds of the fair world it yet covers.’

    H/T Herman Melville, ‘Moby Dick.’
    (So there,puny public servants of the EPA.)

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    ROM

    For Obama;

    “It isn’t against the Law to be an idiot.”

    ― Cassandra Clare
    ————————-
    And his EPA;

    “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.”

    ― Tacitus, The Annals of Imperial Rome
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    “If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law.”

    ― Winston S. Churchill

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    stan stendera

    Every single day that passes I am more pleased with myself for having backed President Trump (How I love writing those two words.) with my vote, my money and my energy. I have even joined a pro Trump group in my home county, joined the Republican party and even been elected a precinct officer to rally the vote in future elections.

    Before he’s through the EPA and the CAGW crowd isn’t going to know what hit them. I don’t think it’s out of the question that some of the corrupt scientists end up in goal.

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    Oh that’s so embarrassing, Peter!
    Thanks fer correcting. (

    beth the flawed serf.

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    What a difference a letter makes…
    one a symbol of liberty, the other
    a coterie of control freaks.

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      Yonniestone

      Yet similar in their enthusiastic supporters,

      “Words are easy, like the wind; Faithful friends are hard to find.”

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    Philip Mulholland

    A New Broom Sweeps Clean.

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    Mark M

    There is many Obama enviro-IEDs to be dis-armed along the way, and Trump has yet to reach the holy grail,
    the UN Paris agreement:

    Jan 31, 2017: Donald Trump ‘set to pull out of Paris Agreement within days’
    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/donald-trump-set-to-pull-out-of-paris-agreement-within-days/news-story/0c1ea125a2c026efb3ffc63a927bdb58

    The signs are looking promising, but, days are turning into weeks …

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      el gordo

      The Administration probably intends waiting for the best advice before pushing forward, better to attack the enemy with proof that CO2 is not a pollutant and take catastrophe out of climate change. Then the AGW structure should crumble worldwide.

      A scientific paradigm shift and a social revolution within a hundred days, place your bets ladies and gentlemen.

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      The Donald’s daughter and son-in-law seem to have correctly counseled “do nothing with Obama’s dying Paris agreement”. The TPP is gone, that is all it took!

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      James

      It is a non binding agreement, and non ratified, so in my opinion is he can just ignore the agreement, and is doing so anyway by doing away with the EPA clean power plan.

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      Graham Richards

      I do believe he is “toying” with the the climate / global warming mob. Keep them guessing & when he is good and ready they’ll get the boot.
      Don’t ever forget the art of the deal…….he’ll wait for the right moment & get the best possible results!

      If only our mob had just 10% of his commonsense.

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    el gordo

    ‘seem to have correctly counseled “do nothing …’

    Could you elaborate?

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    thingadonta

    I read of one story, where the EPA found a microscopic spider on one farmer’s land in the USA, and ordered that the farmer couldn’t do anything with the land because the spider might be endangered. No surveys were carried out to see if the spider occurred anywhere else, as one might expect. The practice incidentally, also gives employees of the EPA more work for themselves at taxpayers expense, of course, in the form of new surveys etc, after which they might well declare that the spider is not endangered after all (most microscopic spiders are pretty widespread).

    It’s a ‘give the EPA more taxpayer’s money and the farmers less rights first, and ask questions later’ approach. It should be the other way around.

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      Leonard Lane

      One of the most insidious things the EPA would do to get what they want when it is against the law and the will of Congress and the people is the “sue and settle” trick. They would have something they wanted to do but couldn’t, so they would go to one of the leftist/green NGO-Non Profits (NP).
      1. The EPA would make plain what they want and how much they are willing to give to the leftist/green NP.
      2. The NP would then sue the EPA to do what the EPA wants but can’t do.
      3. During the trial the EPA would botch the defense and lose to the NP and agree to settle rather than continue with their legal defense.
      4. The court would find for the NP and grant their request for payment from the EPA as part of the legal settlement.
      5. Results: EPA got around the people, the Congress, and the courts, and obtained the new regulatory power they needed.
      6. NP got what they wanted plus a “Great Victory” over the oppressive government agency (EPA), and a fat cash settlement. If the settlement was less $ than the EPA promised, they could “sue and settle” again, or, they could hire the NP as a consultant to help them implement the new regulation.
      7. And all the time, effort, and cash was taken directly from the taxpayers.
      This is how EPA made its own laws and regulations contrary to the will of the people and the will of Congress.

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    TdeF

    Off topic, perhaps someone else has seen this amazing presentation which matches the temperature record for most of known history with just two natural solar cycles. Prof Weiss. Instead of debating CO2, he simply applied his Fourier transforms to the temperature record and found two well known solar cycles. Most importantly, there is no monotonic component. The 250 year pattern is well established. Add the 60 year pattern and it is going to get colder soon. That will be hard to homogenize.

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      CheshireRed

      How intriguing is this? The talk centres on just TWO natural periodic cycles and looks brutally simple. Sine waves match temps almost perfectly with no CO2 forcing required.

      This video is deserving of a much wider audience and should be worthy of its own thread. Great post TdeF.

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        TdeF

        Yes and the sun and the sun alone sets the temperature of the planet. Quelle surprise.

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          Annie

          Fascinating video…thanks for that TdeF.

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          TdeF

          For all the vaunted complex computer ‘models’ presented by the warming lobby, we now know thirty years later they were wrong. None correctly predicted the future. However I was amazed that none even tried to fit the past and surely that would be a requirement?
          In fact Mann and friends were desperate to hide and avoid explaining the little Ice age, the medieval warming, the Roman warming. The hockey stick was flat into the far past.

          Now we have a simple and almost trivial explanation which not only accurately predicts where we are today, it covers the entire past back 2,500 years. Quite an achievement and the first real explanation which fits all the known facts. No need to make it up, this is real science not driven by socialist ideology. Also, sadly, it is so obvious in hindsight, like gravity or Newton’s laws.

          So whether there is any man made CO2 in the air or whether CO2 can actually produce warming, there is a simple explanation and the fit to historical proxy based temperature cycles is breathtaking.

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      Peter C

      Thanks TdeF,

      I hope that Jennifer Marohassy captures some of this in the forthcoming “Climate Change- The Facts 2017″, which I am told to expect in about June this year.

      To summarise Professor Weiss;
      long term temperature records since 1760 show periodic oscillations (cycles). Fourier analysis shows a strong cycle of about 200 years and weaker cycles. The second strongest is a 65 year cycle. There is no monotonic increase in temperature. Since CO2 has increased steadily over the period, CO2 cannot affect global temperature.

      Combining just these two cycles gives a very good match with the temperature record. The 200 year cycle can be related to the de Vreis solar cycle and the 65 year cycle to the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO).

      Conclusion:
      Temperature change in recent centuries is periodic,
      Warming since 1870 has been attributed to CO2 but in reality is due to the de Vries solar cycle,
      Present cooling and increased warming 1970-1997 due to 65 year AMO/PDO,
      Measurements; no trace of warming by CO2, all temperature change is natural.

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      OriginalSteve

      OH no….

      http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/antarctica-hits-record-high-temperature-at-balmy-635%c2%b0f/ar-AAnFS4b?li=AAgfLCP&ocid=mailsignout

      “An Argentine research base near the northern tip of the Antarctic peninsula has set a heat record at a balmy 63.5° Fahrenheit (17.5 degrees Celsius), the U.N. weather agency said on Wednesday.

      The Experanza base set the high on March 24, 2015, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said after reviewing data around Antarctica to set benchmarks to help track future global warming and natural variations.

      “Verification of maximum and minimum temperatures help us to build up a picture of the weather and climate in one of Earth’s final frontiers,” said Michael Sparrow, a polar expert with the WMO co-sponsored World Climate Research Programme.

      Antarctica locks up 90 percent of the world’s fresh water as ice and would raise sea levels by about 60 meters (200 ft) if it were all to melt, meaning scientists are concerned to know even about extremes around the fringes.”

      un = wmo = ipcc = cagw = NONSENSE

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        TdeF

        As the average summer temperature is still -25C in Antarctica, someone is pulling legs to think 1C or 2C would make a difference. Winter is -50C. Besides much of Antarctica is 4,000metres in the air and it is always cooler at such altitude.

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          TdeF

          The summer average at the North Pole is much warmer at 0C and a day can reach 25C. There is also only floating ice, so the ice is highly variable in area. You have to think warmists seize on this because it seems to support their argument not because it does.

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        Ted O'Brien

        Yes. Peter Hannam told us yesterday that Antarctica had record low ice. Coming so soon after the disappearance of The Pause, these should be filed in the same bin.

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      Power Grab

      Yes.

      And I’ve been reading Robert Felix’s iceagenow.info for more than 10 years. The bottom line, according to him, is also that it’s a cycle.

      That web site, http://www.iceagenow.info, has been like a vaccination for me against the flashy lies and propaganda of the warmistas.

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      TdeF March 1, 2017 at 11:04 pm

      “Off topic, perhaps someone else has seen this amazing presentation which matches the temperature record for most of known history with just two natural solar cycles. Prof Weiss. Instead of debating CO2, he simply applied his Fourier transforms to the temperature record and found two well known solar cycles. Most importantly, there is no monotonic component.”

      Interesting! The actual Fourier transforms always have a zero frequency (DC)component, zero or infinity. That 1/f component comes from “connecting the battery” Or “letting the battery discharge”. The ‘sinusoidal only’ is a fantasy at least as bad as spatial\temporal average.

      What is important, is to examine all the physical from both an elapsed time (t) and in inverse time, ‘frequency’,(1/t) standpoint (POV). They not only both have to make sense; they both have to make the same sense! Consider the orbits (actually helix) of all the mass objects in this Solar system, and how they all interact with all others! Earth’s atmospheric CO2 creates not a detectable wobble!
      All the best! -will-

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    RAH

    Some thoughts about President Trumps address to Congress and the people last night.

    By giving a more traditional almost Reaganesque speech last night Trump just trumped the radical leftist democrats. If from this point forward they continue with their characterization of him as a Hitleresque cartoon like character that must be impeached, they are going to become cartoon Stalinesque. The optics of the Republicans standing and applauding during key points during the speech while the democrats sat glum made the point for those that still don’t get it, that the partisan divide in congress is complete.  I don’t think that optic served the minority democrats well.

    Even some of most partisan leftist hacks in the US media like Maddow and Van Jones had to give Trump his due.

    Bill Maher was reduced to claiming that Trump had used the SEALs widow as a “prop” when in fact what she was there for was to be a representative of all those left behind when their spouse paid the ultimate price in their defense of the nation. To receive the gratitude of a nation for her own sacrifices and those of her husband and all like them. I know of this kind of thing personally. When I was on an SF team my wife’s support was critical for me. Believe me when I tell you that the spouses of special operations team members can and do make or break a team. But there is another aspect that I don’t think entered president Trumps mind but which is fact is what will be the result. In one powerful gesture what Trump did destroyed the possibility of Mr. Owens, the father of the slain SEAL, who has been very public in telling people he refused to meet with the POTUS and demanding an investigation, has been eliminated as a potential to become the democrats next Cindy Sheehan.

    My only concern on issues is that the President seemed to moderate his previously hard line on illegal immigration. I suspect that the POTUS is being lawyerish in this aspect and still holds the same views but is trying to disarm the opposition. Personally I don’t think they needed to be disarmed because using illegal immigration as a weapon is not really going to be effective as long as the majority of US citizens agree with the POTUS. I hope the president does not betray his supporters on this leading issue that had a lot to do with him being elected.

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    Dean from Ohio

    Jo,

    Did you see that the new Trump budget proposes to cut the non-grant part of the U.S. EPA budget by nearly half? If Congress will do its job this will be amazing: https://stream.org/trump-pushes-massive-budget-staff-cuts-epa/. Renewing the EPA’s emphasis on clean air and water is a win-win.

    Dean

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    Dave in the States

    One rancher who was being fined for building a watering pond for cattle on his own private property lives not too far away. EPA policies affecting ranchers and farmers are not the only government intrusions on local ranchers. The Wild Life and Natural Resources bureaucracies as well the BLM, Forrest Service, OSHA..and one and on.. All are attempting to tell farmers and ranchers what they can and can not do on their own land, from what crops to plant, when and where they can graze livestock, to where and what kind of fences they can erect, to fines for plowing on a windy day, to what time of day they can bail hay, to what equipment they can operate, to what, if any roads, they may build……

    This is all done by un elected bureaucrats through policy, not legislation, because legislation to such affect could, and probably would be, struck down by the courts.

    In Washington or Oregon, the greens attempted to force legislation to legitimize such practices. The intent was clear: It was saying there is really no such thing as private property. They are saying that all property in communal, and there are saying that sovereignty does not lay with the people but instead with government. The whole set of ideas runs counter to the founding documents of the United States.

    Good for Trump. Keep it up.

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      Ted O'Brien

      Prior to the 2007 election in Australia, the pop musician Peter Garrett, newly recruited to the ALP after having been a Green, told us that he expected a Labor (ALP) government would tell farmers what crops to plant. They didn’t get around to it, but the intention was there, and no doubt still is.

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    Roy Hogue

    The EPA’s so-called “Waters of the United States” rule is one of the worst examples of federal regulation, and it has truly run amok, and is one of the rules most strongly opposed by farmers, ranchers and agricultural workers all across our land.

    What’s left out of this statement is those — I can only guess how many like me — who aren’t directly affected by this abomination become government policy but who oppose it for the same reason anyone else does, it’s insanity made into law with the muscle of the federal government behind it. Surely this is as great an abuse of power as any the EPA has ever committed. It’s time for this abuse to stop. It’s past that time by many years.

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      Roy Hogue

      And then there’s NASA, once able to send men to the moon, feeling their way through it almost like a blind man feeling for the door because no one had ever done it before, yet now an organization more deserving of our being ashamed of it than it is of our respect.

      I was finally able to see the movie, Hidden Figures, yesterday afternoon. It’s an uplifting and amazing look into the NASA of the Project Mercury days, showing our dark side right right along with one of our brightest, the people behind our ability to pull off our first orbital flight made by John Glenn. If you already know the story don’t spoil it for your friends. And if you don’t or haven’t seen the movie I can recommend it as one of the best movies I’ve ever seen.

      Surely we can regain the spirit, the will to accomplish and throw off the neglect that has infected NASA. We did it once and we can do it again.

      How NASA ever became an authority on climate or weather I’ll never know. That should have been completely compartmentalized within NOAA.

      See the movie !!! :-)

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        Roy Hogue

        I have no way of knowing how much license the producer took with the facts. But the depiction of the attitude in those days and certainly the internal workings of NASA both ring true. They literally were feeling their way through going to the moon like a baby trying to walk because there was no example to follow, only the challenge of Sputnik and Yuri Gagarin. Actually the baby has a better deal because there are examples of people walking all around him all day long until he masters it, a living textbook. But aside from some early work like the Hohmann transfer invented in 1925 and general knowledge of physics there wasn’t any textbook except what NASA could discover on the fly.

        Anyway, it’s a story about personal triumph in the face of adversity and three women we never heard of but who were mission critical links in the chain that put Glenn into orbit and finally Armstrong and Aldrin on the moon. Do go see it.

        FORTRAN anyone?

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          Roy Hogue

          Looking back at those days, they sure did make it seem like a piece of cake for the most part, even getting Apollo 13 back after what should have killed all 3 astronauts was made a success by just sitting down, examining the problems and solving them.

          A more sober look makes it a miracle that we ever got men convinced they could stick a roman candle up their backside, light the fuse and get away with it. And then they actually did light the fuse, lit it over and over and got away with it. Before they were through with it we saw 36 story building size rockets, 363 feet, leap off the ground. And now we don’t dare to even think about a manned mission?

          Statistically, the development of aviation science probably killed many more pilots than the science of space flight ever has to date. And we continue to lose people in plane crashes regularly. So why not space? Why has private money got the jump on NASA? Why are we so shamefully dependent on Russia for a lift to the space station? If we still think we need space for something, then where the hell is NASA?

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            TdeF

            Aviation kills very few people. At any time, perhaps 3 million people are in the air at 900km/hr. If there is a single crash the world knows about it. The risk per km for plane travel would be many orders of magnitude lower than any other form of travel, including walking. Like helicopters, hang gliders, jump suits and motorcycles, the risk only seems low because the numbers are low. It seems high for NASA because most people would be terrified at the prospect of the launch and this gets their undivided attention. Few claustrophobics would enjoy space capsules and no one would enjoy landing at meteoric speeds. Until people can launch by plane, as is being planned, almost no one would consider a trip into space.

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              Roy Hogue

              I have no data with which to make a decent comparison. But just the crash of one loaded triple seven takes more people with it than have ever even flown in space since Yuri Gagarin. How many went down with MH370? Wiki says it’s 239.

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    The rule itself and the amount of text in the rule is absolutely horrendous.
    It demonstrates why the existing culture within EPA must be abolished.

    Environmental Protection Agency
    40 CFR Parts 110, 112, 116, et al.
    Clean Water Rule: Definition of ‘‘Waters of the United States’’; Final Rule

    https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-06/documents/epa-hq-ow-2011-0880-20862.pdf

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    Oliver K. Manuel

    I am pleased that Trump’s actions match his promises. I was also pleased with his speech before Congress last night.

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    I cringe at long speeches.
    A relative of mine sends me nuts at family weddings and birthdays.
    A white knuckle microphone man.
    Once after talking for 10 minutes and saying nothing but worn out clichés I counted 15 seconds of dead air as he searched for another one.
    So when I heard before Trump’s speech that it would last over an hour I wondered if he could sustain strong positive impact for that long.
    I couldn’t believe the time seemed to pass so quickly.
    One serious worry.
    He didn’t mention the the great fraud that made the swamp 10 times bigger.

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    Curious George

    EPA can charge you $37,000 a day, but they hold themselves above the law when poisoning Animas river.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Gold_King_Mine_waste_water_spill

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    Ruairi

    The EPA plead ‘don’t demote us’,
    ‘I can and I will’ said the POTUS,
    ‘As you grab and demand,
    From the folks on the land,
    A total control of our WOTUS’.

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    Gary H

    Here’s a little coverage of the Wyoming rancher’s issue with the EPA. Here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/28/wyoming-man-challenges-outrageous-epa-fines.html

    To be clear, I’m not clear if this dispute was specifically a result of the WOTUS, or was just overreach under the original Clean Water Act.

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    Mike Smith

    Here’s a related example of stupid regulation which, I promise, has amazing entertainment value:

    http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.asp/

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    Gordon

    YYEEAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!

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    David Maddison

    O/T

    One of Australia’s most important military intelligence agencies the Defence Signals Directorate had to go on diesel generators when Defence was asked to do some load shedfing.

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-01/australian-signals-directorate-used-backup-generators-heatwave/8316472?pfmredir=sm

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    Another Graeme

    Here here, well done President Trump

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    Harold

    What breeds in puddles? Does the EPA want zika and other mosquito diseases to spread?

    Law of unintended consequences.

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      Power Grab

      You are missing the point. The farmer would not want to leave a puddle sitting there in an otherwise cultivated field. He would want to work that ground and make it productive. Mosquitoes would have to move to town to find undisturbed water to occupy.

      The reason the rule was so onerous was that it prevented farmers and ranchers from using their land for productive purposes. I have seen farmers forced to leave untilled strips in their fields simply because the EPA had labeled it a “wetland”. During dry years, the strips dried up completely. But the farmer still had to leave it untilled just because during a wet year it accumulated water.

      If you care about saving fuel, you would want the farmers to be able to run their tractors more efficiently, and not force them to drive around their fields like a jigsaw puzzle, just to avoid an EPA-defined “puddle”. It takes a lot of fuel and work to drive around those things, instead of just running across them in a relatively straight line.

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    doubtingdave

    A very interesting topic , a lot of us wonder what will replace the man made global warming thesis when it has finally been debunked as a social engineering project , many believe t will be water themed , as in fresh water shortage , sea level rise and in general increased drought , for example my family name sake Hank Paulson , after helping destroy the American economy has now moved on , behind the scenes he is heavily involved with and invested in to fresh water schemes , in astrotheology we know that within the next couple of decades the age of Pisces ends and the age of Aquarius ( THE WATER BEARER ) begins , at the moment you have a small population in a big country , but as you become more powerful and increase your population in the coming years , will those desalination plants that we rightfully deride on this site , actually become more crucial to the growth of Australia in the future

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    Mark M

    Grattan Institute research that in 2015 found Australians without solar panels had effectively paid $14 billion to subsidise those with them.
    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/solar-tariff-for-victorian-households-with-panels-to-more-than-double-20170228-gun8q9.html

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      David Maddison

      It’s amazing that some people who got in on the 60c feed in tariff in 2009 will remain on it until 2024. Talk about subsidy farming!

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    Mark M

    Shorten goes on front foot over 50% renewables ‘target’

    The Conversation, Feb 22, 2017:
    “Australia could be the “energy capital of Asia” but instead it is going backwards, Bill Shorten will say in a speech on Thursday, vigorously defending Labor’s target of 50% of Australia’s electricity coming from renewables by 2030.”

    Wait. What?

    Why Is Asia Returning to Coal?
    The fossil fuel is undergoing an unexpected renaissance in the region.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/02/why-is-asia-returning-to-coal/

    “On February 1, the government pledged to decommission all reactors and replace them with 45 new coal-fired power plants equipped with the latest clean coal technology.

    India’s policymakers, for their part, have to deal with rapid development and population growth that make coal indispensable to meeting the expected 3.5 percent increase in year-on-year demand for electricity between now and 2040.
    . . .
    Australia’s next PM. Egad.

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        el gordo

        “In the last three years, the world has added nearly three million jobs in renewables energy – and Australia has lost 3000,” Shorten will say, speaking at Bloomberg.’

        Apples and oranges, where the heck is Albo?

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      TdeF

      “Australia could be the “energy capital of Asia”

      Together with Indonesia, Australia supplies half of the world’s coal imports! It is our greatest income. With this money we buy our cars, our electronics, our clothes, our shoes, our cutlery, everything. Shorten is talking about stopping our use of coal domestically. Can he not see the absurdity of this position? If we are to destroy our own energy supplies to show the world how to live without coal are we not the world’s greatest hypocrites?

      Australia could be the “idiocy capital of Asia”

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    Dennis

    I have been viewing an SBS series “Down Under” presented by UK citizen Tony Robinson and I am impressed with the quality of the series and historical information. One segment reminded me of the ban on grazing cattle in the Snowy Mountains high country by the Victoria Government. Based I understand on the land being returned to nature. I have been told by local graziers that the grasslands of the high country are native grasses that were part of Australian Aborigine land management or regular seasonal controlled burning.

    Tony Robinson talked in the segment about the once mystery of cattle that went missing during the early days of the colony in Sydney. Apparently at a later time when the Camden District was being settled the missing cattle and expanded herd were discovered in excellent condition grazing on native grassland with plentiful water supply nearby.

    Another example of extreme greenism we suffer in modern times.

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    1 Mar: Fox: Coal mining begins seeing revival as Trump gives industry hope
    Wise County, Virginia – A long-awaited revival is under way in this beleaguered Central Appalachia community where residents see coal as the once and future king.
    Trucks are running again. Miners working seven days a week cannot keep up with current demand. Coal mines, long dormant after the industry’s collapse, are now buzzing again with antlike activity…

    ***Prospects changed nearly overnight. President Trump had promised to do everything he could to lift the coal mining industry. Trump began to make good on his pledge last month when he eliminated the Stream Protection Rule, which had placed layers of regulations on the industry…

    Although it will take a while before the coal industry recovers, the metallurgical or “met coal” markets – coal used to make steel – are already seeing a major upswing. The price for met coal is twice as high as it was a year ago, which is causing a boom in the coalfields…

    For those whose livelihood depended on the industry, the most important thing that Trump has given them is hope.
    “It was almost impossible due to the EPA regulations to open another deep mine,” said Rick.
    Just a few decades ago, when unions were strong in Wise County, the area leaned Democrat. But once the economy bottomed out and many were left without jobs, this corner of Virginia found itself feeling left behind.
    Nowadays, many homes in Wise County are adorned with Trump signs. This now-Republican stronghold is betting on a better future under the Trump administration…
    It’s too early to tell whether or not coal will be king again. But with the stranglehold of regulations now on its way out, many in the area say they hope to see a full comeback.
    “I don’t think production is going to go down anytime soon,” said Jason, an underground miner from Big Stone Gap. “At one of the mines in the town of Appalachia, [employees] were told they would have work for the next four years.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/01/coal-mining-begins-seeing-revival-as-trump-gives-industry-hope.html

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      Raven

      [...] the metallurgical or “met coal” markets – coal used to make steel – are already seeing a major upswing. [...]

      Good news. They’ll need that coal to make the steel pipes for the North Dakota pipe line as promised by Trump.

      See . . . this isn’t rocket science.
      I’m guessing the Democrats don’t know much about rocket science. That might explain why NASA doesn’t make them any more, but instead heads up a propaganda unit dedicated to scary weather stories and Muslim outreach.

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    2 Mar: Reuters: Richard Valdmanis: Trump poised to lift federal coal ban, other green rules – White House
    U.S. President Donald Trump will target a handful of Obama-era green regulations, including a federal coal mining ban and an initiative forcing states to cut carbon emissions, in an executive order as soon as next week, a White House official told Reuters on Wednesday.
    Trump and his fellow Republicans who control Congress are seeking to unravel former Democratic President Barack Obama’s initiatives to combat global climate change, which they say are costly for U.S. business and have hampered drilling and mining without providing any clear benefits.

    “Rescinding the federal coal leasing moratorium is part of that executive order, which has lots of different components, including the Clean Power Plan,” the White House official, who asked not to be named, told Reuters. The official said the order was scheduled to come next week.
    The Clean Power Plan is Obama’s centerpiece initiative to combat climate change, requiring states to slash emissions of carbon dioxide, but it was never implemented due to legal challenges launched by several Republican states.

    Legal experts have said Trump could begin the process of killing the regulation by having the Environmental Protection Agency ask the courts to return it to the agency for review, effectively ending its legal defense.
    Killing the coal mining ban would be easier. Trump could reverse the ban by asking the Department of Interior to lift it and resume its coal leasing program…

    Trump has already rolled back some Obama-era green regulations, including the Stream Protection Rule limiting coal mining waste dumping, and the Waters of the U.S. rule that expands the waterways under federal protection.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-poised-lift-federal-coal-183844786.html

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    pat

    1 Mar: EurActiv: Reuters: EU ministers reach compromise on carbon market reform
    The agreement, brokered by Malta holding the rotating presidency of the EU, means negotiations with the European Parliament can now begin with the aim of reaching an agreement on a final text…
    “The negotiations have been going on all day; every country has had to compromise on something,” Italian minister Gian Luca Galleti told colleagues after the vote, saying Rome was still unhappy with some aspects of the deal.
    Poland’s minister said he felt “cheated” by the deal, which 19 of the bloc’s 28 nations supported. Nine nations voted against it.

    A text of the compromise seen by Reuters calls for measures to strengthen prices by doubling the rate at which the scheme’s Market Stability Reserve (MSR) soaks up excess allowances and by cancelling surplus permits yearly after 2024 that have been three years in the reserve, above a ceiling of 650 million.
    The deal also offers a cushion for industries worried about being short on allowances if a cap is triggered on overall allocations that slashes free allowances across the board, known as the cross-sectoral correction factor (CSCF)…
    Tuesday’s deal calls for an additional 2% of the permits due to be auctioned to instead be freely doled out to industry if the CSCF is triggered.

    “We are very happy that the council really showed the ambition that we need if we are going to stick to the Paris target,” Swedish climate minister Isabella Lovin told Reuters after the vote.
    “I think the world needs climate leadership right now.”…
    A minimum of 16 member states is required to back the compromise deal, representing at least 65% of the total EU population…
    http://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/eu-ministers-reach-compromise-on-carbon-market-reform/

    EU ministers likely to oppose EU carbon market regulation of shipping
    EurActiv – ‎Feb 28, 2017‎

    28 Feb: CarbonPulse: EU Market: Reform deal news helps EUAs recover ground lost after abysmal auction
    European carbon gave back much of its early gains on Tuesday after the day’s auction cleared at a massive discount, but spiked at market close on news of an agreement on post-2020 ETS reforms by EU member states.

    premonitions confirmed:

    CarbonPulse: Weak demand returns in latest WCI auction, confirming premonitions
    Published 21:08 on March 1, 2017 / Last updated at 21:30 on March 1, 2017
    California and Quebec sold only 18% of current vintage allowances on offer during last week’s WCI auction, confirming premonitions of yet another undersubscribed market.

    CarbonPulse: In possible slip-up, top California senator cites weak demand in latest CO2 auction
    Published 02:15 on March 1, 2017 / Last updated at 02:15 on March 1, 2017
    California’s latest carbon allowance auction may have experienced weak demand, according to a statement that appeared temporarily on the website of the state senate president before being quickly withdrawn.

    28 Feb: CarbonPulse: RGGI trading volumes sink in Q4-2016 despite large inventory builds – report
    Trading volumes in RGGI allowances (RGAs) plummeted in Q4 2016 despite firms participating in the northeastern US carbon market building up notably larger positions than a year ago, a report showed.

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    OriginalSteve

    Heres a gift:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-01/australian-signals-directorate-used-backup-generators-heatwave/8316472?WT.ac=statenews_act

    Man the battle stations..oh hang on…where are the lights…..?

    “The Australian Signals Directorate was placed on diesel generators during a heatwave last month because authorities were concerned about the reliability of the energy grid.

    The minister responsible for cyber security, Dan Tehan, told Parliament the precautionary decision was “significant” and “rare” and showed the need to prioritise energy security.

    The directorate is responsible for the collection and analysis of all foreign signals intelligence and providing cyber security advice.

    Mr Tehan said the Defence Department was asked to assist with load shedding on February 10 by Canberra’s energy provider Actew-AGL and the New South Wales Environment Department.

    The request to lower power usage is common when the demand for electricity is greater than the amount of power available.

    “The Australian Signals Directorate was placed onto diesel generators as a precaution — it had concerns with the reliability of the grid,” Mr Tehan said.

    “This meant that our agency responsible for critical infrastructure was on backup power to pre-empt a cut.

    “Having the Department of Defence being put onto generators is a rare and significant event.”

    ………..ouch

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    read all:

    2 Mar: Australian: Michael Owen: Brewer lashes power ‘fools killing off jobs’
    Coopers Brewery chairman Glenn Cooper has lashed the Weatherill government as “fools” who have rushed into renewable power generation and are scaring off investors and “killing jobs”.
    The national chairman of Australian Made Campaign yesterday gave a withering assessment of Labor’s handling of South Australia’s power crisis, which Energy Minister Tom Koutsantonis told parliament was “fake news”…

    Yesterday he said he “nearly fell off my chair” when he heard Mr Koutsantonis on Adelaide’s FIVEaa radio station defending the government’s rush to renewables and its 50 per cent target, which has left the state with the most expensive and unreliable power supply in the nation.

    “I’m not against looking at renewable power, but let’s balance it properly so it doesn’t kill off our industry,” he said. “There’s an old saying — fools rush in. I ­believe this government rushed in to renewables … and industry will now not come to this state.”

    Last night the Australian ­Energy Market Operator ordered a second unit at the Pelican Point gas-fired power plant to be switched on as a hot spell in Adelaide pushed up power use…
    Yesterday Mr Koutsantonis told parliament he had met major companies, including Arrium, Nyrstar, BHP Billiton and Adelaide Brighton Cement, about their intentions to buy generators to guard against blackouts…

    Mr Koutsantonis told parliament that when Victoria’s Hazelwood coal-fired station closed this month, “the Victorian market will be the one that is impacted the most”, despite South Australia’s reliance on an interconnector with Victoria.
    “The idea that somehow when Hazelwood closes the world will stop spinning on its axis is ridiculous,” he said…READ ALL
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/brewer-lashes-power-fools-killing-off-jobs/news-story/25677d8520c4a300da589824c2b6def3

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      Graeme No.3

      Just a snippet from that story.

      In response to opposition questions about the power crisis, he (Koutsantonis) said: “What we have here is fake news.”

      Opposition energy spokesman Dan van Holst Pellekaan said the state government had blamed privatisation, retailers, generators, market operators, the weather and the Victorian and federal governments for its problems. “Now it’s ‘fake news’ — there’s nothing ‘fake’ about the impact of the blackouts and high prices,” he said.

      Mr Weatherill yesterday was still unable to give details of his month-old promise of “dramatic intervention” in the national electricity market.

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    pat

    always good for a laugh – check his t-shirt:

    1 Mar: Breitbart: James Delingpole: DELINGPOLE: Polar Bears Are a Pest – Time to End Their ‘Threatened’ Status
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/01/delingpole-polar-bears-are-a-pest-time-to-end-their-threatened-status/

    even funnier!

    1 Mar: Breitbart: Liam Deacon: ‘Fake News’: BBC, AFP, Google, Facebook Collude to Tell Voters ‘Who to Trust’ in French Election
    Google and Facebook will be working with the mainstream media to tell voters “what and who to trust”, including “memes, comment threads and news sites”, in the lead up to the French elections.
    The two Tech giants, who have been accused of a “liberal bias”, will set up the “coalition news verification project” with 37 French and international media outlets including the BBC, AFP (Agence France-Presse), and BuzzFeed News.
    On an official blog post, Google claimed “CrowdTangle” had been set up “with a goal of helping the French electorate make sense of what and who to trust in their social media feeds, web searches and general online news consumption in the coming months…”…

    “With combined expertise from across media and technology, CrossCheck aims to ensure hoaxes, rumours and false claims are swiftly debunked, and misleading or confusing stories are accurately reported,” Google said…
    The public will be encouraged to submit questions and links to news and social media content they wish to see investigated. The questions will then be listed alongside answers on the CrossCheck website, Google explained via its News Lab arm.
    “Each participating newsroom will contribute their own experience, resources and regional knowledge to speed and strengthen the verification process, and to ensure that accurate reports reach citizens across the country and beyond,” the website adds…

    In August 2016, Facebook fired its entire Trending News team, formerly responsible for curating the platform’s “Trending News” list, after Breitbart News and others reported accusations of progressive, liberal biases…
    …President Donald. J. Trump accused Buzzfeed of being “fake news” after the website published lurid and unsubstantiated claims about the then president-elect.
    Despite publishing allegedly fake news, BuzzFeed is part of the CrossCheck project with Google and Facebook.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/01/fake-news-bbc-afp-google-facebook-collude-tell-voters-trust-french-election/

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    pat

    1 Mar: ABC: As global food demand rises, climate change is hitting our staple crops
    The Conversation By Dr Andrew Borrell, University of Queensland
    When it comes to the staple crops — wheat, rice, maize, soybean, barley and sorghum — research has found changes in rainfall and temperature explain about 30 per cent of the yearly variation in agricultural yields.

    All six crops responded negatively to increasing temperatures — most likely associated with increases in crop development rates and water stress.
    In particular, wheat, maize and barley show a negative response to increased temperatures. But, overall, rainfall trends had only minor effects on crop yields in these studies…

    Falling yields
    Crop yields around Australia have been hard hit by recent weather.
    Last year, for instance, the outlook for mungbeans was excellent.
    But the hot, dry weather has hurt growers…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-01/as-food-demand-rises-climate-change-is-hitting-our-staple-crops/8314188

    reminder for ABC:

    14 Feb: ABC Rural: Sarina Locke: Australia’s winter grain crop officially a record at 59 million tonnes
    Australia’s winter grain harvest is now officially the largest for every single mainland state.
    The commodity forecaster ABARES reports in its February crop update that the harvest was 49 per cent bigger than last year’s with an estimated 58.9 million tonnes.

    Victoria was the standout, with a crop that was 145 per cent larger than last year’s, with 10 million tonnes compared to 4 million tonnes in 2015/16.
    New South Wales produced 16 million tonnes, compared to 11 million tonnes the year, equating to a 43 per cent increase.
    Western Australia grew 23 per cent more than last year, with 18 million tonnes, while South Australia harvested 56 per cent more.

    The winter crops are wheat, barley, chickpeas, canola, faba beans, field peas, lentils, lupins, oats, linseed, safflower and triticale…
    Rice planting is almost four times larger in 2016-17 than last year, with an increase in irrigation water.
    Rice production is forecast to be 870,000 tonnes, up from 250,000 tonnes last year
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-14/nrn-record-winter-crop/8268564

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      mikewaite

      For many people in the UK Australian agricultural produce does not consist of faba beans or triticale (whatever that is) but – wine.
      We are accustomed to the wine experts in the media talking of “good” years and “bad” years and “disastrous late frosts in Bordeaux”, etc
      so grapes and therefore wine must be a quite sensitive indicator of long term climate change . Any comments recently from the wine producers of Australia ?(surely such a prestigious export has a Govt agency allotted to it )

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    pat

    endless and predictable and boring:

    1 Mar: CarbonBrief: Roz Pidcock: Explainer: How much did climate change ‘cost’ in the 20th century?
    From heatwaves to hurricanes, working out the dollar cost of climate change is a tough task…
    A recent study suggesting that human-caused climate change brought benefits in the 20th century offers a good starting point to explore a few of the issues that surround this fraught, complex topic.
    The research, published in the journal Public Library of Science, claims the world has experienced a “significant drop” in estimated climate impacts “since the late 1990s” and that the tendency for models to ignore natural fluctuations, not caused by greenhouse gases, could be “biasing the estimates”.

    But climate scientists and economists that Carbon Brief spoke to say the study’s conclusions don’t stack up…ETC ETC
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-much-climate-change-cost-twentieth-century

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    pat

    great fun…read all:

    28 Feb: WaPo: Chelsea Harvey: Members of Congress met to discuss the costs of climate change. They ended up debating its existence
    A hearing held Tuesday by several House subcommittees was meant to be an examination of the methods used to calculate an oft-contested metric known as the social cost of carbon…Yet by its close, the conversation had disintegrated into yet another debate about the extent to which man-made climate change exists.
    It’s not the first time such an incident has occurred under the new Congress. Just a few weeks ago, the House Science Committee held a hearing intended to focus on the future of the Environmental Protection Agency and how it may incorporate the best available scientific evidence in its regulatory processes. At that hearing, multiple attendees took the opportunity to express doubt about the seriousness of human-caused climate change and the effectiveness of the EPA’s climate policies — many of which were developed with the social cost of carbon in mind…

    At Tuesday’s hearing, many of these complaints were raised again by Republican members of the subcommittees and the witnesses they called to testify, including climatologist Patrick Michaels of the Cato Institute, statistician Kevin Dayaratna of the Heritage Foundation and economist Ted Gayer of the Brookings Institution…
    However, such criticisms were contested during the hearing by Democratic attendees and witness Michael Greenstone, an economist at the University of Chicago and former chief economist for President Barack Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, who helped convene the first federal working group to begin developing the social cost of carbon in 2009…

    “Can anyone on the panel give me a date certain, even a year certain, that there was absolutely no climate change on this planet since the forming of it?” Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.) asked the witnesses at one point…

    But although greening is indeed occurring in some places, and increased carbon dioxide concentrations may benefit plants up to a point, research overwhelmingly suggests that the overall impact of climate change — which will have effects far beyond the agricultural sphere — will be resoundingly negative. And even when it comes to agriculture, the benefits brought by increased carbon dioxide will likely be offset by the stress of rising temperatures in many places, especially parts of the world that have warm climates today…
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/28/members-of-congress-met-to-discuss-the-costs-of-climate-change-they-ended-up-debating-its-existence/

    28 Feb: Axios: Ben Geman: UN lacks “clear signals” from Trump on Paris climate deal
    “We have not heard any clear signals. Of course the U.S. is a party to the agreement, so we continue to see the U.S. as the very important partner that it is to us.” – Patricia Espinosa, the executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, to reporters in Washington on Tuesday…

    The Bonn, Germany-based Espinosa said shortly before her current trip to the U.S. that she was seeking a meeting with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson here, but said Tuesday that it wasn’t happening. Still, she carefully declined to cast it as a snub from the Trump administration.
    “They were … just looking at the possibility, but it was not confirmed,” Espinosa told reporters at Georgetown University ahead of Tuesday afternoon lecture. “There are so many commitments that high-level officials have.” She said the dates of her visit were timed around her lecture…
    https://www.axios.com/un-no-clear-signals-from-trump-administration-on-paris-climate-deal-2290850761.html?utm_source=Daily+Carbon+Briefing&utm_campaign=b4254f380e-cb_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_876aab4fd7-b4254f380e-303473869

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    READ ALL:

    28 Feb: Reuters: Chris Prentice: Trump to shift biofuel blending burder off U.S. refiners: Source
    The news sent corn prices and refinery shares up sharply AND RENEWABLE CREDITS TUMBLING…
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-renewables-idUKKBN1671PD?utm_source=Daily+Carbon+Briefing&utm_campaign=b4254f380e-cb_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_876aab4fd7-b4254f380e-303473869

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    pat

    novel-length, and ***delusional…SCIENTIFICALLY LITERATE SHOULD READ ALL:

    28 Feb: ScientificAmerican: Inside the Quest to Monitor Countries’ CO2 Emissions
    The world needs a way to verify that nations have made their promised carbon cuts in order to make the Paris agreement effective
    By John Fialka, ClimateWire
    Nearly 200 nations pledged to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions under the Paris Agreement on climate change. But how will we know if some don’t follow through?
    The current inability to verify that a nation has made its promised carbon cuts remains a long-standing loophole that experts say must be closed to make the global pact effective…

    At the moment, some of the world’s major emitters, including nations in Europe and Asia, are working on a solution to verification that would use commercial airliners carrying new sensors for a process that can measure man-made emissions of carbon dioxide and methane each time they land and take off from a given city. But Pieter Tans, a senior scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and one of the pioneers of the measuring systems, worries that, so far, “the U.S. is absent in all of this.”
    Tans, who has led NOAA’s Carbon Cycle Greenhouse Gases group since 1985, suggested in an interview with E&E News that if the United States developed such a system, it would become a valuable political and diplomatic tool…

    At the moment, the political atmosphere in Washington makes the prospect of a U.S. role in verification dubious. Congress has been cutting NOAA’s climate change research projects, and agency officials say ***it’s too early to know whether a Trump administration budget would change matters…READ ALL
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/inside-the-quest-to-monitor-countries-co2-emissions/

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    pat

    1 Mar: GWPF: It’s Families Who Are Footing Bill For Britain’s Deluded Energy Policies
    by Rupert Darwall, The Daily Telegraph UK
    Keeping the lights on for the few, turning them off for the many. It’s hard to see this being welcomed by Just About Managing families whose interests the Prime Minister has put at the heart of her plan for Britain.

    Last week when the Prime Minister took the unusual step of attending the House of Lords debate of the Brexit Bill, their lordships were finalising a damning report on the energy policies of the past three governments. Worse still, the Government is limbering up for a fake row over proposals to cap energy prices. Greg Clark, the Business and Energy Secretary, is threatening government action whenever the markets are not working for consumers. As the Lords report makes clear, the real problem is government policy not working for consumers…

    Pseudo-mathematical flannel can’t hide the fact that you can’t simultaneously maximise two variables, let alone three. You can’t maximise the amount of wind and solar while maintaining grid reliability and simultaneously drive electricity prices down. Something has to give – and it’s consumers who are picking up the rising bill for the Government’s Mission Impossible…

    Stealth energy levies are also difficult to control. Adair Turner, the first chairman of the committee on climate change, acknowledged the “open-ended nature” of renewables subsidies. These unleashed a feeding frenzy of Green special interests. The worst example is solar, a technology that contributes nothing to peak electricity demand at 6pm in winter. The Government expected 3 gigawatts of solar but ended up with 11 GW. Costs spiralled out of control…TELE LINK (SUBSCRIPTION REQD)
    http://www.thegwpf.com/rupert-darwall-its-families-who-are-footing-bill-for-britains-deluded-energy-policies/

    more rubbish from ***The Delusionals:

    28 Feb: UK Independent: Ben Chu: Financial markets are now betting against the future of the planet. This won’t end well
    There has been no fundamental readjustment of energy stock prices since the supposedly historic December 2015 United Nations Climate Change deal in Paris
    Some analysts – including the Bank of England – are urging financial markets to start thinking much more seriously about the possibility of tens of trillions of dollars of “stranded assets” in the energy sector and the profound implications for share prices.
    Because if governments around the world deliver on their promises to decarbonise their economies and limit the rise in global temperatures this century to 2 per cent above pre-industrial levels, then those assets really can’t see the light of day. Either they will be ***forbidden from being sold, or there will be no demand for them because we will have new clean means of energy production…
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/oil-tycoons-financial-markets-climate-change-environment-betting-against-future-planet-a7604021.html?utm_source=Daily+Carbon+Briefing&utm_campaign=b4254f380e-cb_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_876aab4fd7-b4254f380e-303473869

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    pat

    i didn’t hear a single news headline last nite about the success of Trump’s speech to Congress on ABC, BBC or Macquarie network radio, nor a news headline about the records set by the stock market following the speech, nor news of the overwhelming public approval of the speech, according to even the FakeNewsMSM polls, but no doubt this will be all over the news headlines tonite.

    this is the only version online so far to actually go to the source of the Fake claims being pushed non-stop on all FakeNewsMSM, including Fox News, according to comments at FreeRepublic & elsewhere:

    1 Mar: Breitbart: Joel B. Pollak: Fake News: Media, Democrats Distort Remarks to Target Jeff Sessions
    The Washington Post reports that Sessions met Sergey Kislyak once at a Heritage Foundation event in July 2016, where other ambassadors were also present. It also reports that Sessions met with Kislyak in his Senate office in September, in his capacity on the Senate Armed Services Committee…

    The hook on which the Post attempts to hang Sessions is that he did not disclose the meetings to the Senate when he was asked about “possible contacts between members of President Trump’s campaign and representatives of Moscow.” Sessions’s spokesperson at the Department of Justice, Sarah Isgur Flores, says his answer in January was truthful because he was asked about “the Trump campaign — not about meetings he took as a senator and a member of the Armed Services Committee.”

    The Post does not provide the full transcript of the question, from Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), and Sessions’s answer. Instead it summarizes the exchange in a way that makes it seem that Sessions was asked if there was any contact at all between the campaign and representatives of the Russian government.
    In fact, what Sessions was asked about was sustained, ongoing communications — a core accusation in the dubious “dossier.”
    Here, via C-SPAN, is the transcript: READ ALL

    In another, written question, the Post notes that Sessions was asked by Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) whether he had “been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day” (emphasis added). Sessions answered, simply, “no.” And there is no evidence in the Post nor elsewhere to cast doubt on that claim.
    The New York Times covers the story and adds an interesting wrinkle — namely, that Obama administration officials did whatever they could to distribute information within the government about alleged contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian intermediaries. (The Times calls this an attempt to “preserve” evidence, which would have been a departure from the Obama administration’s more typical practice of hiding evidence on personal email accounts and hidden email servers.)
    That suggests a coordinated hit job, including espionage against the Russian ambassador, and possibly against members of the Trump campaign, even in their unrelated activities.
    Regardless, as Flores noted to the Post, Sessions had meetings with “more than 25” ambassadors. The Post lists several of those, but leaves out one crucial country: Ukraine, whose emissary Sessions met the day before meeting with Kislyak. If Sessions was trying to back the Russians, that was an odd way to do it…

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is calling on Sessions to resign, and the Democratic National Committee is already out with a list-building email, sent Wednesday evening: “BREAKING: Jeff Sessions may have perjured himself.”
    But it is all just more “fake news.” A chance greeting at a public event, and a Senate meeting in the course of his official duties, do not add up to anything, and the full transcript — also omitted by the Times — makes it clear Sessions told the truth.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/01/jeff-sessions-fake-news-washington-post-misquote-used-target/

    MSM is the enemy.

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    el gordo

    Australian governments have spent billions of dollars to reduce the amount of water agriculturalists use, but its been a total failure.

    A transfer of taxpayer dollars to the regions for no beneficial gain, another indication that water policy has been wrong headed and based on a fallacy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/02/5bn-used-to-safeguard-murray-darling-from-drought-largely-in-vain-says-study

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    pat

    meanwhile, the undemocratic forces in the UK are at it again:
    2 Mar: UK Telegraph: Laura Hughes: 30 Tory MPs could join Brexit Bill rebellion over EU citizen rights, claims peer
    As many as 30 Tory MPs could join a rebellion in the House of Commons which could force the Government to guarantee that Europeans can remain in Britain after Brexit, a peer has claimed.
    Theresa May suffered her first Parliamentary defeat over the Article 50 Bill last night after the House of Lords voted in favour of amending the legislation to protect the rights of EU citizens living in the UK…

    The scale of the Government’s defeat in the Lords, where the proposal to amend the Bill was passed by 358 votes to 256, has prompted speculation that Mrs May could face a fresh Tory rebellion…
    The Telegraph understands Labour is also expected to back the amendment when it returns to the Commons later this month…
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/02/30-tory-mps-could-join-brexit-bill-rebellion-eu-citizen-rights/

    2 Mar: UK Sun: STUFF EU Theresa May vows to still trigger Brexit in two weeks despite defeat by unelected Lords over EU citizens’ right to stay in UK
    Ministers signal they will seek to overturn change to Article 50 bill after peers inflict first parliamentary defeat on the PM
    by Alain Tolmhurst & Sam Webb
    Ministers have signalled they will seek to overturn a change to the Article 50 bill after last night’s vote, and the Prime Minister plans to still kickstart Brussels divorce talks in two weeks…
    The defeat – which was by a larger margin than expected – came after an alliance of Labour, Lib Dem and even some Tory peers ignored pleas by the watching Home Secretary Amber Rudd not to alter the legislation…

    However there was anger among some pro-Brexit MPs at the vote by peers to amend the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill – after the elected House of Commons passed the Bill without any changes.
    Labour’s Gisela Stuart, who co-chaired the official Vote Leave campaign, said:”The British people voted in their millions to leave the EU, and their elected MPs passed the Article 50 Bill without amendment.
    “The House of Lords should do the same and not seek to frustrate the Brexit process.”
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2989825/theresa-may-vows-to-still-trigger-brexit-in-two-weeks-despite-defeat-by-unelected-lords-over-eu-citizens-right-to-stay-in-uk/

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    KinkyKeith

    And now back to the Hunter Valley, home of distorted left thinking.

    The latest bit of reverse economics based on green memes involves a comment on radio this afternoon that it was planned to build a terminal in the port to take Natural Gas.

    This gas is destined to power our new electricity generating plants.

    The picture of sending beautiful shiny black coal out of our port to China so they can make electricity with it while other ships off load Gas from Queensland. Is double handling with coal and gas passing each other in opposite direction nuts or am I losing it?

    Talk about ships passing in the night!

    The appearance is the most important part of the new reality.

    Real reality is not important.

    Does that make sense?

    KK

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      Keith,
      You, like I, are indeed losing it! Here on the US interstate system we have 40 ton loads of the same Kraft macaroni and cheese, going in opposite directions continuously; and no one notices! Opposite going logging trucks are sometimes noticeable, but only if looking! :-)

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        Power Grab

        I keep wondering if the secret government behind the secret government is the shipping industry. They seem to be the only ones who stand to gain from all this endless moving of stuff around all over the world.

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    pat

    2 Mar: UK Express: Lizzie Stromme: ‘House of Lords HAS TO GO’ Farage demands end of meddling peers after Brexit Bill defeat
    NIGEL FARAGE has said the House of Lords should be made to go after peers voted to amend the Government’s Brexit Bill.
    Speaking to his LBC listeners shortly after the result of the House of Lords vote was announced, Farage hit out against the Conservative Party leader as he said Mrs May had made a mess of things.
    The former Ukip leader said: “I don’t really like the Conservative Party very much. I don’t trust them very much. It is very difficult to trust them and particularly this Prime Minister who says these magnificent things … but I saw it all when she was Home Secretary, she didn’t deliver.
    “The irony here, they have tried to take my agenda, Ukip’s agenda and yet they’ve made a terrible mistake here.
    “Because nobody, nobody, me or anybody else on the Leave campaign ever said the rights of these people would be threatened.”
    Continuing, the Brexit campaigner said it would be wrong to deprive people who legally came to Britain of their rights.
    But Farage said however right the peers had been to amend the Brexit Bill, he disliked their meddling with the European Union divorce legislation.
    The LBC host said: “A nation that retrospectively changes people’s rights I think you’re frankly on a course to tyranny if you behave like that.
    “While I disagree with the numbers that come, I think Theresa May has got herself into a mess. I hate the fact the House of Lords may well in principle done the right thing but I don’t like their meddling.
    “Once this is all over, I think the House of Lords has to go.”…
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/773898/House-Lords-Nigel-Farage-demands-end-meddling-peers-Brexit-Bill-defeat

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    el gordo

    ‘The President thinks very little of climate change being a problem, and so did not mention it once. Rather, he mentioned coal and growth.

    ‘The climate scare and hoax are about to lose their last legs.’

    - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.9pShXmxD.dpuf

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    Amber

    Come on now lets not be too hard on Obama he did fit over 300 rounds of golf into those busy busy Presidential days . Another part of his lazy ass legacy .
    CNN is now unwatchable and like having a partner cheat on you there is no going back . Well at least not for most.
    I did find amusing the Obama administration propaganda stating the military’s deep concern about global warming (climate change ) and then threatening senior officers who didn’t drink the cool aid .
    Funny how the military who suffered a 20 % cut to their budgets under the White House golf pro no longer even mention the earth having a fever . Why would they the con job is over .

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