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    Yonniestone

    Anyone in Victoria that wants to protest the insane anti coal regression of our state by the Andrews regime is welcome to contact me via Jo Nova (if its ok with her) first Hazelwood next Yallourn then Venezuela, I simply cannot stand by without making a stand, alone if it comes to that but it must be done to expose the dangerous zealotry that erodes any semblance of elected government in this state.

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      Peter C

      Yonnie,

      What did you have in mind?

      I have written email letters to Lily D’Ambrosio (Energy Minister-Vic), Daniel Andrews (Premier-Vic), Josh Frydenberg (Energy Minister-Fed), Malcolm Turnbull (PM) and Jenny Macklin ( my Fed member). I made the point that our economy, jobs and prosperity all depend on cheap and reliable electricity, the problems with renewable energy and noted the damage already done.

      I received an automatic acknowledgement of receipt from the PM but otherwise no response from anyone.

      I cannot tell if my messages had any effect. However the PM has modified his stance a bit on coal fired power stations so there may have been some effect.

      Not enough yet to save Victoria I fear.

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        Peter C

        Emails sent;

        12/15/16

        to Lily, Josh, Jenny, daniel.andrews
        Dear Minister (Lily D’Ambrosio)

        We have a looming crisis of our electricity power supply in Victoria due to the impending closure of the Hazelwood Power Station in the Latrobe Valley.

        The crisis has been precipitated by Victorian Labor Policy. Imposition of costs by the Government has precipitated the decision to Close the power station. You are responsible for that.

        The decision Can Be Changed! Hazelwood will not close before March 2017. It is only closing because the Victorian Government is imposing unacceptable costs on the owners.

        Please reconsider the policy while there is still time! Changing the policy could keep Hazlewood open for another decade, A new (more efficient) coal fired power station could be built in that time.

        South Australia blew up their coal fired power station in a public display of government globull warming paranoia. It was all for nothing. Look what has happened to the South Australian power supply now.

        Please reconsider. Use our natural resource of brown coal here in Victoria to keep electricity prices down and protect our jobs.

        10/1/16

        to Lily, Josh, Jenny,
        Victorian Minister for Energy
        Lily D’Ambrosia MP

        Dear Minister,

        I have read that the Hazlewood Power station might close next April. That might be a response to Victorian Government announcements about moving to renewable energy.

        That would be disastrous for our state! It is not just the workers in the Latrobe valley that are at risk. We have already lost a lot of manufacturing industries including cars and aluminium. All our industries rely on stable and cheap electric power.

        Some how you have to keep that power station functioning! Victoria depends on it and so does South Australia and Tasmania. The recent power problems in both Tasmania and now South Australia demonstrate the problems of reliance on renewable energy sources. Both of these states have squandered their citizens money and their future prosperity on renewable energy investment.

        The Labour party is supposed to champion the interests of working people. I want to have useful work in our state so we have to have a strong economy. We have to use every advantage we have. One of those advantages is electricity.

        We need reliable electricity but also the best electricity and the cheapest electricity. That means COAL fired electricity for the time being. We have the resource and we should use it.

        The Greens have confused themselves. Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant. It is an essential constituent of our atmosphere, the gas of life! We could not survive without it. Labour should distance themselves from the Greens, otherwise they will abandon their own voters.

        I am not sure how you will explain that to the Premier and the Federal Labour party. Taking good advice from experts in the electricity industry is a good start, instead of activist (so called) climate scientists.

        Response
        I did in fact get a belated response from Lily D’Ambrosio. She blamed Energie for closing Hazelwood and said that the Victorian Government would support the Latrobe Valley with 20 million dollars of taxpayers money.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Not just Victoria! Everybody east of the Nullabor will have higher electricity prices as a result of this. And those west of the Nullabor will feel the effect of the higher costs on the national economy.

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          OriginalSteve

          The unspoken agenda in all this is the NWO aim of protecting their ( mythical ) “Gaia” and shoving everyone into a low entropy, low energy, vegitarianism world to protect the same.
          If miliions are killed off by disease and failing power grids, then all the better.

          The NWO crowd, can be identified by their dogged refusal to listen to the people who voted them in, their want to crash our economy and force people to basically live in mud huts and ( literally ) cull 90% of the planets population , this is also known as the Agenda 21 / 2030 nonsense.

          The other apsect to all this is if you weaken a nation through removing its ability to have any form of reliable power, you make it an easy take down later…people should mull over that point too….

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        Yonniestone

        Peter C I’m going to do it old school, on the steps of Parliament House Spring street to voice the realities of this governments regressive tactics that will lead to dictatorship power over a weakened people, we all support the content of your letters here but sadly it will fall on deaf ears and blind eyes so one hope is to create public discord with reasoned dissent that gets lots of social media exposure which is where the real news is now circulated, any MSM drivel will provide useful fake news for the internet to pick apart.

        My only experience with this type of action is through the patriot movement which aligns strongly with CAGW scepticism and many personal values that are expressed on these blogs, I don’t expect all people to put themselves in this arena but if thousands can march in the name of a failed hypothesis imagine what can be achieved if the same numbers march for something correct and positive.

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          Peter C

          Let me know the day and the date.

          I can probably be there. I imagine that you are prepared to be treated with derison and contempt by the MSM.

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            Yonniestone

            Thanks Peter, I’ll let you and anyone else know when its happening, I should be able to get some numbers in the spirit of moral support too, what I really need is to convey hard facts and evidence to support our argument, remember many others will be interested but oblivious to the known facets of power generation.

            Oh and derision and contempt has been standard practise with our visits to Melbourne so we expect no breaking of protocol in that department. ;)

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              Robert Rosicka

              Yonnie , the only thing that will reverse this madness is voting for someone who aren’t trying to out green the greens , Libs , Labs and green are within a whisker of being the same thing .
              Especially on the subject at hand , yeah Bernardi is doing some grumbling but when even Barnaby Joyce is towing the line about climate you’re just going to bang your head against the wall .
              I know they have their problems and I know the leader is no Rhode scholar but no one else apart from one nation have a rational energy policy that’s based on science not computer games .
              America and Australia have something in common in that too many have been taken for granted by the trough swilling elite who claim to know what’s good for us and most of what they do is at the whim of the msm and polls .

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                Yonniestone

                I agree while the vote is still in play its a good weapon against tyranny as our last federal election results gives us hope in its power, I wouldn’t dismiss PHON as a serious contender either especially after Trumps victory and Australians love an underdog.

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                Robert Rosicka

                Their abc is reporting Cory Bernardi is giving the Libs the flick , get the popcorn ready this could be interesting .

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              James Bradley

              Yonnie,

              PHON doesn’t have to be a serious contender to hold sway. They only have to take a large enough percentage of the vote away from the Greens for the fawning aristocrats to decide that there is more votes from conservatives than there is from the extremist left.

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                scaper...

                James, I believe it is the aim of One Nation to become a serious contender. ON is already out-polling the Greens where it counts and will eventually achieve dominance over them nationally.

                To win over the moderate Green vote, One Nation needs to formulate a sensible, workable policy platform.

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                Graeme No.3

                I have always believed that 50% of the Green’s votes come from those disillusioned with the major parties and making a protest. Those votes could well swing to ON or other.

                I feel that the split comes because the majority of Liberal voters pay tax while the majority of Labor voters get their income from government (welfare/wages). The last thing the former want is for a government raising debt and taxes and madly spending on useless projects. The latter like the status quo and cannot imagine that it will ever end. The trouble with a protest march to Spring Street is that you are invading the territory of the ‘takers’ and will not attract favourable attention and could well be seen as a minority (Remember all those hangers-on inside the Parliament and Ministerial Offices.

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          PeterPetrum

          Yonnie, I live in the Blue Mountains otherwise I would be with you. Why don’t you contact Malcolm Roberts – he could be interested to be involved (if you want him).

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            Yonniestone

            Senator Roberts would be a great addition to proceedings however after deciding to cancel an event in November 2016 at an organised venue in Caulfield with Pauline Hanson due to security concerns I wouldn’t think talking in a public space in the centre of Melbourne would be very appealing, then again who knows?

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          Geoff Sherrington

          Count me in, health permitting.
          Geoff

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      The reality is that conservatives have jobs (responsibilities and limited time) and have no desire to undertake disruptive/violent protests (social mores) on issues that concern them, nor are there organisations or individuals that pay for protestors and protests on conservative issues.

      It might sound negative, but I suspect that it’s a pragmatic view. Writing letters etc to Dan the Man, would have as much effect as asking a Green to listen to your side of the debate. The only thing that can be done is to try and vote them out, but for that we need someone much better than is on offer at the moment from any side.

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        Peter C

        Bemused,

        If I am the only one that writes a letter to the Premier, then I expect that you are correct.

        However if 20 people write about the same matter (not the same letter so no collusion) then it might register. If one hundred people were to write then I think that the political machine might start to take notice.

        With respect to a political organisation for conservatives, I recommend the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA). They do not undertake public rallies, but they project conservative thought into the public debate through radio interviews, press articles, ABC debates, books etc. They are starting to infiltrate the Universities, with some success.
        https://www.ipa.org.au/

        I regard my support of the IPA as my most important political act, and my support of the Jo Nova blog as almost equally important.

        Power of the Pen!

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          I understand what your saying, but this current government couldn’t give a toss what 10,000 conservatives thought or wrote to them. They simply do not care. They treat us and even their own voter base with utter contempt.

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          scaper...

          Been a supporter of the IPA for a number of years. Will be resigning. It is not the organisation I joined anymore.

          It is due to another member being invited to write an article for the review and Roskam vetoing it.

          Power to the iron ore dollar!

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            Geoff Sherrington

            Scaled,
            Bodies that do not change, rie. Expect change at IPA, hang in there, it has more influence than you seem to think. Don’t play the man, play the reputation of the IPA, which is about the strongest around still.
            Nobody likes a quitter.
            Geoff

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            Rod Stuart

            To what is it that you are alluding, Scaper? Fill us in please.

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      Robber

      See my suggestion at #13

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      Some of this insanity is being taken up by some of the media: http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/opinion/victoriawide-jobs-malaise-with-no-solution-in-sight/news-story/f451477a554826ff0a7024ef365bf391, but I suspect that Dan the Man and his cronies couldn’t give a damn. Never have, never will.

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      David Maddison

      Jo has my email, please get it from her and I’ll send you my phone number.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Well now. If Trump grabs this and runs with it, that should turn the tide.

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          ianl8888

          Well, perhaps. I suggest you read the current article and commentary on Judith Curry’s website to aquire an idea of the direction of pushback:

          https://judithcurry.com/2017/02/04/climate-scientists-versus-climate-data/

          This can, and is, being spun as just a disagreement over bureaucratic procedures (way too detailed for most people), but the Karl (K15 paper) conclusions have been independently confirmed from other databases … etc and blah. That these “independent” comparisons are using the same unarchived raw database is not highlighted.

          The aspect that tells me there is a bit more fire to this smoke than the pushback is completely comfortable with is that the computer used by K15 to model the “no hiatus” meme has inexplicably died with no backup and as the unarchived databases have moved on since then no reproduction is possible. I hadn’t heard before this that dogs ate computers as well as homework.

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      Bulldust

      I imagine Jo will do a story on this one – too big to ignore. Just a brief description: A NOAA paper (aka Pausebuster paper) was rushed out, based on flawed/shonky data, and broke internal rules for publishing in order to get out before the Paris Conference. Dr Bates, the protagonist and recent retiree, is whistle-blowing about the NOAA trickery.

      Icing on the cake… the computer on which the models were run had a critical failure and the information is lost. So there is no way to reproduce the paper now. Nothing shonky to see here, move along folks >.>

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    pat

    Clipe – u beat me to it. huuuuge story, but WUWT & Daily Mail the only ones carrying it so far. let’s see if FakeNewsMSM reports it.

    meanwhile,

    5 Feb: SMH: Peter Hannam: ‘We should assume our worst fears will be realised’: climate scientist on Donald Trump
    “We are all very worried here,” Rahmstorf, a professor at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, says. “We should assume our worst fears will be realised.”…
    Obama transferred a second instalment of $US500 million ($653 million) to the fund in his final days as leader, leaving $US2 billion owing from his original pledge.
    The rest of world, including Australia, needs to be prepared to fill any void resulting from any “short-sighted” US pullback, Rahmstorf says. “We have enough information to know we have a serious crisis,” he says. “On-going climate change is threatening civilisation.”…

    “The bulk of the people in Paris … will remain in their positions,” says Light (former senior adviser to Todd Stern) who is now a senior fellow at the World Resources Institute. “All of these people know how important it is for US power to stay in.”
    Those interests include many developing nations who have signed up to Paris because of promises of assistance – such as through the Green Climate Fund – and won’t take kindly to reneged offers of help to adapt to a changing climate and investment in renewable energy, Light says…

    (LOL) Also leaning against a radical shift will be the Pentagon…
    “The Pentagon as an institution has always been a very moderating influence,” Light says. “They can’t mess around and look at issues ideologically, or leave it to a guess.”…
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/we-should-assume-our-worst-fears-will-be-realised-climate-scientist-on-donald-trump-20170202-gu4f3k.html

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      el gordo

      ‘This coming week, temperatures over the far north are projected to be as much as 20 degrees above normal.’

      Its a sign of global cooling, a wobbly jet stream forces the frigid air southward.

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    pat

    btw I was thinking this, before I saw it in David Rose’s Daily Mail piece:

    “It’s not the first time we’ve exposed dodgy climate data, which is why we’ve dubbed it: Climate Gate 2
    “Dr John Bates’s disclosures about the manipulation of data behind the ‘Pausebuster’ paper is the biggest scientific scandal since ‘Climategate’ in 2009″…

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      ianl8888

      And the FakeNews will treat it in the same way as ClimateGate:

      Ignore it in the hope that the informant just disappears from sight and the publicity dies – then refer to it obliquely on page 24 in 5-point font, taking care to headline it as “The Science Is Correct”.

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    The real problem with the CAGW is that it appears to be a a poorly conceived ploy to deliberately harm the coal industry, in favor of the natural gas industry. The actual science behind this is nonexistent. No part of meteorology has any training or experience with electromagnetic field theory, or the generation and propagation of thermal electromagnetic flux in a dispersive media such as Earth’s atmosphere. James Hanson (astronomer) wrote two conflicting papers on the the dense CO2 atmosphere and temperatures of Venus. That is it; there is nothing else!

    By 1970 the US Air Force Cambridge Laboratories had the most highly developed science on atmospheric optical effects. These studies were concerned mostly with electromagnetic atmospheric absorption and scattering from 0.2 microns to 700 microns over atmospheric slant path lengths from 10 meters to 400 km. It was well known at that time, that gross flux absorption is immeasurable without source distinction from the source and the flux “from” (generated by), the intervening atmosphere. All of the field measurements used amplitude or spatial ‘modulation techniques’ for this required distinction. That data is still known as the HiTran data base, maintained now by Harvard University.
    The only ‘institution’ to misuse this database for calculation of gross EMR flux attenuation was NASA Goddard under the direction of that same James Hanson. The rest is the history of the greatest pseudo-science scam ever! This scam needed no conspiracy; only gross incompetence and greed!

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      el gordo

      Electromagnetism seems to be the missing link.

      What is the mechanism on earth when the sun goes quiet?

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        You have the ‘electric’, thingy! That charge. the stress (force) on the dielectric of a capacitor from differential “charge” across that dielectric. Da gyrlies want to get with da guys!
        Then there is the ‘magnetic’ from lodestone to how your furnace motor works. Many conjectures, some useful but no real knowledge. Mostly guessing ’bout’, scratching watch, or winding ass! Then there exists the electromagnetic, the wiggily stuff with cycles per second, or cycles per pico-second. Then there is the gravitational universe with only one cycle per 100,000,000 years. They are all interconnected and dependent on each other. This is the difference between an all knowledgeable GOD and stupid earthlings. Get used to it.
        All the best! -will-

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          el gordo

          Imagine a 934 year cycle with a superimposed 60 year cycle related to the orbits of the sun and nine other planets.

          The longer cycle is due to gravitational variations and you can see this clearly with the MWP around 1125 AD, followed by the LIA minimum in 1600 AD.

          The 60 year cycle took us to 2003 and we end up with global warming at 2059 AD.

          Convince me that this cycles within cycles theory is just a figment of my imagination, otherwise I’ll run with it.

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            Leo Morgan

            As long as ‘run with it’ doesn’t mean ‘sit on your butt having faith the idea is true without searching for disconfirming evidence’, I’m fine with you running with it.
            In your opinion, is the cycle upon cycle effect you perceive a matter of ‘epicycles’, ie the same cause creating both the greater and lesser cycles, or independent like waves over tides? What forces do you see as causing the cycles, and why are they operating in a cyclic fashion rather than as random fluctuations?
            How close can you match the measured effects with the predicted on theoretical grounds effects?
            What predictions can be made from this theory that we can look for by examining the historical record?

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              el gordo

              ‘What predictions can be made from this theory that we can look for by examining the historical record?’

              Theoretically 2060 should be warmer than now, but it might be better to turn the clock back to 1125 AD (MWP) and 200 AD (RWP) in the UK.

              Looking at the agricultural records, in 220 there was a great frost in England which is recorded as lasting five months and in 230 the Thames is said to have been frozen solid for six weeks.

              In 1125, at the height of the MWP, there was intense cold in the winter, followed by excessive rain and floods during harvest. Prices for corn rose to excessive heights and there was widespread famine. Over the following decades the people suffered greatly from cool wet conditions during harvest and the Thames froze solid in 1142 and 1149.

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                Mark D.

                In 1125, at the height of the MWP, there was intense cold in the winter, followed by excessive rain and floods during harvest. Prices for corn rose to excessive heights and there was widespread famine.

                Really? corn in Europe or GB in 1125?

                I think you should stop “shopping” at that web site.

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                el gordo

                ‘Really? corn in Europe or GB in 1125?’

                GB but I expect the weather would have been the same in western Europe.

                ‘I think you should stop “shopping” at that web site.’

                I think he’s a physicist. Do you have another web site of more value?

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                el gordo

                Mark

                ‘Corn’ was a general term for cereal grains like barley, wheat and rye.

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                Graeme No.3

                Corn (or Korn) was used in Europe and England for any grain i.e. wheat, oats and barley.
                Hence the name for whiskey John Barleycorn. Germany has Korn Liquor.
                Applies also to Iceland and Greenland under the Vikings. Oats and barley are more likely to have been grown there during the Medieval Warm Period. Oats definitely in Greenland, possibly barley also but wheat unlikely.
                There has been a claim that wheat was grown in Iceland shortly after the Vikings arrived but I cannot confirm it.

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                Another Ian

                Remember “corn” in the European sense is any food grain.

                “Corn for maize”came later

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              el gordo

              ‘What forces do you see as causing the cycles, and why are they operating in a cyclic fashion rather than as random fluctuations?’

              Its a random walk, waiting for the oscillations to slot into place.

              The forces are astronomical, the gas giants in particular seem to have an influence on our star. I’m not qualified to say, but I’m a big fan of Nicola Scafetta and David Evans.

              ‘How close can you match the measured effects with the predicted on theoretical grounds effects?’

              The system appears chaotic, yet we know that Britain cycles on 20 years cool/wet then 20 years warm/dry. The North Atlantic Oscillation is a major player, directly influenced by the sun’s behaviour, and without having a look I would say the NAO is predominantly negative during cool/wet phases.

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            tom0mason

            Windmills of Your Mind

            Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
            Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
            Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon
            Like a carousel that’s turning running rings around the moon
            Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
            And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
            Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind!

            Like a tunnel that you follow to a tunnel of its own
            Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone
            Like a door that keeps revolving in a half forgotten dream
            Or the ripples from a pebble someone tosses in a stream
            Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
            And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
            Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind!

            Keys that jingle in your pocket, words that jangle in your head
            Why did summer go so quickly? Was it something that you said?
            Lovers walking along a shore and leave their footprints in the sand
            Is the sound of distant drumming just the fingers of your hand?
            Pictures hanging in a hallway and the fragment of a song
            Half remembered names and faces, but to whom do they belong?
            When you knew that it was over you were suddenly aware
            That the autumn leaves were turning to the color of her hair!
            Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
            Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
            As the images unwind, like the circles that you find in
            The windmills of your mind!

            Keys that jingle in your pocket, words that jangle in your head
            When did summer go so quickly? Was it something that you said?
            Lovers walking along a shore and leave their footprints in the sand
            Is the sound of distant drumming just the fingers of your hand?
            Pictures hanging in a hallway and the fragment of a song
            Half remembered names and faces, but to whom do they belong?
            When you knew that it was over in the autumn of good-byes
            For a moment you could not recall the color of his eyes!
            Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
            Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
            As the images unwind, like the circles that you find in
            The windmills of your mind!

            Songwriters: BERGMAN, MARILYN / LEGRAND, MICHEL / BERGMAN, ALAN

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    Scott

    My question relates to the heat in the atmosphere that occurs around the El Nino’s.

    I don’t fully understand the mechanism for why the atmosphere warms at this time and have heard two explanations.

    1. The ocean gives up its addition warmth into the atmosphere which is why it becomes hotter.
    2. The event that causes the above average heat in the ocean means that heat is not taken in from the atmosphere and therefore the atmosphere heats up.

    I was of the understanding that the atmosphere cannot warm the ocean except on very long time frames when the two are not at equilibrium and that the mechanism for heating the ocean is one of direct sunlight and some heat from below due to volcanic activity. (this would contribute to some form of ocean mixing)

    So my first question to all is by what mechanism does an el Nino event heat the atmosphere?

    After the recent and 98 El Nino we had rapid cooling so my next question is
    Where did this heat go?

    The 64 million dollar question which is more important than the first.

    If it was radiated into space then this should be picked up via the CERES satellite. If it went into the ocean then this should be picked up via the Argo network or whatever other instruments they are using for ocean temperature.
    Answering this question gives an indication of:

    1. whether the atmosphere can heat the ocean
    2. If it radiates out into space then it highlights how poor the so called greenhouse is at trapping heat
    3. It also adds a tick to the premise that David’s theory of heat simply being slowed as it radiates out into space via one of the pipes.

    I look forward to the responses. Thanks

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      Peter C

      Scott,

      My understanding is that under normal conditions and also La Nina, there is upwelling of cold bottom water along the coast of South America. The cold water spreads out across the surface of the eastern and central Pacific Ocean. The cold water brings nutrients to the surface and supports breeding and growth of fish, hence good fishing.

      During an El nino, the upwelling stops, the Western Pacific warm pool of surface water spreads out towards the central Pacific Ocean and the Chiliean fishermen get poor catches.

      All that cold water gets picked as a cooling signal whereas there is apparent “warming” during an El Nino.

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        Scott

        Thanks Peter,

        Basically I want to understand

        What heats the atmosphere during El Nino ie the temp spike we all see in the sat record.

        Where does the heat go from the Sat record when the El Nino is over.

        Its not just ocean temperatures that rise its Atmospheric as well.

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          bobl

          Actually, it doesn’t really, the cycle depends on where the ocean is relatively warmer, on the american side or the Australian side of the pacific, and that largely depends on the direction of the trade winds and the relative positions and intensities of thw low pressure systems across the pacific. That determines where the rain happens and shifts the distribution of temperature across the pacific. The thermometers aren’t distributed evenly so the result is a higher average temp when the hot weather (high pressure systems) is where most of the thermometers are.

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            bobl

            Reading back its not clear, one side of the pacific gets cloudier and the other side clear, clear weather over landmasses makes them hotter than usual. Cloudy weather makes then cooler and wetter. There is more landmass on the American side so the temp appears hottest during el nina rather than la nina.

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              Scott

              Thanks Bobl,

              now after its over where does the heat go?

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                KinkyKeith

                To that great heat sink in the sky.

                It’s at about 1.6 C° above absolute zero so there’s a temperature differential of about 287C°.

                Bearing in mind that the temperature differential if you inadvertently splash a few drops of boiling water on yourself is about 64C° you can get some idea of the “draw”.

                Thanks to water and it’s intervention, the movement of ground origin energy back to space is delayed sufficiently to keep us all from freezing.

                For now at least.

                KK

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                Griffo

                The heat goes out to space,read some David Evans posts on this site,or get yourself a book ,Ian Plimer Heaven and Earth is not a bad place to start

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                Scott

                Totally agree with you KK and Griffo

                So this heat loss into space should be a spike commiserate with the loss of heat here at the surface.

                Therefore this should show up in the CERES satellite which is meant to measure Earth’s Radiant Energy.

                It was launched in 1997 so probably too late to pick up any spike or otherwise from the 98 El Nino but this time we should be able to pick up a spike from the back ground trend.

                If this is the case, then it highlights that excess heat is radiated to space.

                It does not get sucked up in the ocean therefore it shoots down the argument that the heat is buried in the ocean.

                It also backs up David Evens theory of heat escaping into space via the various pipes.

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                KinkyKeith

                Hi Scott

                I must admit that I have no idea of the quantity of the supposed “heat” that is involved.

                It may be that the extra “heat” merely shows up as an extension of the equatorial zones towards the pole rather than as increased temperature.

                You’d need to talk to a meteorologist.

                KK

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                bobl

                Scott essentially two things show that positive feedback does not happen. 1. The missing hot-spot, and 2. The fact that emission rises with temperature and does not fall as models predict. Point two shows that feedbacks are negative.

                It always got me that the scientists were saying that if the earth was a two bar radiator, switching on the second bar would make you colder!

                It can also be shown that the models do not properly constrain energy, that is that energy is conserved at top of atmosphere but the models allow violations of conservation at other points, particularly evaporation is non conservative in the models. Sorry, but energy must be conserved everywhere.

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                bobl February 6, 2017 at 1:46 am

                “It can also be shown that the models do not properly constrain energy, that is that energy is conserved at top of atmosphere but the models allow violations of conservation at other points, particularly evaporation is non conservative in the models. Sorry, but energy must be conserved everywhere.”

                Why do you claim that “energy must be conserved” anywhere?? ‘Everywhere’ perhaps, but there are no measurements of ‘everywhere’ to check. Keeping track of ‘energy’ is nice if calculating efficiency, but what is ‘entropy’? ‘Entropy’ is defined as the unusable energy divided by its own temperature.
                Entropy thus is but mass x (the specific heat of that mass). Is this not the source for Planck’s ‘radiant energy’? Where does that go?
                What is the ‘energy’ of compressed mass in an environment of differential pressure. What is the ‘energy’ of the combined angular momentum of all the mass of this solar system? How is that energy shifted between objects in this solar system?
                Gross incompetence mostly on the part of academics that ‘claim to know’. They brought the whole CAGW mess down upon themselves by their own carelessness, and vast arrogance. Welcome to it!
                All the best! -will-

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                2 x 10^16 grams of perceptible water (H2O) in all six phases of water.
                wrong!! 2 x 10^16 kg of perceptible water (H2O) in all six phases of water.
                Hell! Zeros have no mass!

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          TdeF

          Firstly the ocean is far bigger in mass. The ocean is on average 3.4km deep. At one atmosphere per 10 metres, that is 340x the weight of the atmosphere and about the same volume. So the ocean has at least 340x the heat capacity and given air is an insulator, far more. So the total heat to for a change in temperature of 1C for the atmosphere is only 1/340th degree for the ocean. Impossible to measure.

          Secondly the ocean is close to a constant temperature throughout. Sure 20C on the top but still not frozen at the bottom. Go the same distance up and you have -60C, so when we talk about the weather, we are talking about a surface effect, the bottom of the atmosphere. It drops say about 1C per 100 metres going up. The ocean is 1C for 700 metres. So add another factor of seven.

          Without air born water, we have no weather. No rain, no snow, no ice, no transfer of heat, no massive cooling, no monsoons, no tornadoes, no hurricanes. Dust storms at best.

          So to predict and model the weather, we have to model the water to high precision. That is why these climate models fail. They cannot even predict El Nino or La Nina. What hope do they have of predicting the surface temperature in 50 years? Betting on no change at all would be more practical, but $1,000,000 Million a year is being spent being wrong.
          In Victoria, we are crippling the country because Greens are scared of technology, frightened of science and believe any doomsayer at all. They have reverted to earth worshipping religions, druidic beliefs and prophecies of doom and building windmills.

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            Scott

            Hi TdeF,

            Always enjoy reading your posts. my original background was Chemistry and more recently consulting in Supply Chain.

            Both disciplines require a rigorous sticking to letting the data tell the story. Opinion may lead you down a certain path but it has to backed by data or its worthless.

            I can argue science with the best of them but it goes over the head of most or you get dragged into a science debate that wonders around all over the shop.

            I do like simple evidence based snap shots and tend to like collecting them along this journey.

            my first was the ice core data showing CO2 rise follows temp rise and fall. The interesting tit bit is the apex and trough of the temp CO2 ice data. Temp turns down while CO2 continues to rise for a period before following temperature down. Therefore something far greater than CO2 drives temperature change.

            The missing hot spot speaks for itself

            Raw temperature data shows that 1914 in SE Australia was hotter than present or at least similar. The USA was hotter in the 1930′s so much for CO2 driving temperatures up. using temp anomalies is an attempt to cover these little issues up.

            Other warm periods in earths history were hotter than present and considered “optimum”, history’s word not mine.

            CO2 has been many thousands of parts per million in the past, yet no run away warming then, so why now?

            Man has pumped out most of its CO2 in the last two decades, yet CO2 goes up in the same steady gradient it has for decades. So if the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is due to man, why is there no signature apparent in the slow steady increase of CO2?

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              TdeF

              As a Chemist you would be very familiar with equilibrium. Apart from Stoichometry, it is the concept which guides all chemistry and chemical balance and reactions.

              So 50x as much CO2, 98% is in the oceans and as you heat water, the CO2 comes out. So on first principle the tiny amount in the thin atmosphere should lag ocean temperature. That’s almost schoolboy science. For some reason people believe that CO2 is trapped in the thin air and that the CO2 in the ocean is isolated when in fact the transfer is rapid and massive. Fish breathe. Fish fart. So this whole crazy logic depends on people believing that you can put a CO2 molecule on one side of a totally permeable barrier and it will just stay there.

              No you would expect that CO2 lags temperature. It is also what the records say as you point out. However for Man Made Global Warming to be reality, none of this is true. The IPCC says both that CO2 hangs around for thousands of years and simultaneously that it has a half life of 80 years when even in the 1950s it was established to be about 10 years, supported by many papers and endless evidence.

              Finally, you can radio carbon date the CO2 and it is new, not old fossil fuel CO2, so the proof is complete. Whether CO2 creates any significant heating is irrelevant. We do not control CO2 levels. That is simple chemistry. Chemistry rules. Gaia obeys chemistry.

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            TdeF February 5, 2017 at 3:01 pm · Reply

            “Firstly the ocean is far bigger in mass. The ocean is on average 3.4km deep. At one atmosphere per 10 metres, that is 340x the weight of the atmosphere and about the same volume. So the ocean has at least 340x the heat capacity and given air is an insulator, far more. So the total heat to for a change in temperature of 1C for the atmosphere is only 1/340th degree for the ocean. Impossible to measure.”

            While I agree with your analysis you seem to miss the tall pole under the tent, namely the latent heat of evaporation of airborne water colloid (haze, clouds) to the visually tyransparent water vapor (WV). There exists in Earth’s atmosphere approximately 2 x 10^16 grams of perceptible water (H2O) in all six phases of water. Not all of this can be WV, as most of the atmosphere does nor contain sufficient sensible heat (temperature), for this to be the case!
            What is left is that insolation, in the morning, with no change in temperature, is continuously converting airborne water colloid to WV at the rate of 2400 W/g(m²); with continuous reversion back to airborne water colloid releasing that same 2400 W/g(m²) to space via EMR in the nighttime. What does this do to that colorful cartoon by Kevin Trenberth known as “energy budget”?
            All the best! -will-

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              wrong place at #8.1.1.1.7 Sorry!
              2 x 10^16 grams of perceptible water (H2O) in all six phases of water.
              wrong!! 2 x 10^16 kg of perceptible water (H2O) in all six phases of water.
              Hell! Zeros have no mass!

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      Rick Will

      Scott
      Climate isdefined as the average of weather for a location. Weather for humans mostly occurs over land. Climate is controlled by the temperature in the oceans. In particular the temperature in the top 700m of the oceans drives surface temperatures on time scale of interest to humans. Land has no thermal mass so cools and warms rapidly in response to heat output or input. The oceans have much higher thermal mass and have very little variation in temperature.

      The oceans gain heat in the tropical regions lower than 33 degrees latitude on average; with seasonal variation of course. At latitudes greater than 33 degrees the oceans lose heat. Heat in the oceans flows from lower latitudes to higher latitudes. Coriolis forces cause air circulation westward along the equator than poleward at the western land masses due to the air over high temperature ocean water at the equator moving toward air over low temperature ocean nearer the poles. The airflow entrains water flow in the same gross circulation. So both air and water circulation transfer heat from the tropics to the poles.

      The seasonal variation in heat input causes high and low temperature regions in the ocean circulations of the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian ocean. The Pacific delivers heat to the Southern Ocean. The southern ocean connects the other three to enable heat transfer from Pacific to Atlantic and Indian oceans – Pacific has by far the greater area within the tropical latitudes. It takes about 8 years for one cycle of the southern ocean so that circulation has higher temperature and lower temperature zones within its circulation.

      This chart indicates the estimated heat transfer from tropic to poles and between oceans:
      http://worldoceanreview.com/en/files/2010/10/k1_d_waermetransport_e_en-500×305.jpg

      So there are four ocean circulations that all have different periods and different specific heat content within their stream interacting over decade long time scale. El Nino occurs when there is particularly high temperature water in the southern Pacific near north east Australia and low temperature water in the southern Pacific near Chile. That would have started out hotter at the beginning of its northern flow near Chile (causing La Nina) and gained heat travelling westward along the Equator to be unusually warm in the Coral Sea while a cold mass flows into the region off Chile.

      The ocean currents have a third dimension with heat flows below 1000m driven by salinity changes where sea ice is forming. So this flow gets a seasonal pulse mainly from the Southern Ocean. This current also contributes to distributing the heat through the oceans but on longer time scale.

      The net energy in the oceans only changes a tiny amount but its distribution near land masses alters the measured temperature over land. Global surface temperature is meaningless from a climate perspective but has been the focus of the climate fanatics. The temperature in the top 700m of the global oceans is a much better indicator of climate but its measurement has been sporadic. Even the Argo buoys have a doubtful history of adjustments.

      Without the air and ocean circulations all the water would boil off at latitudes lower than 33 degrees and ice would form at higher latitudes. If water was not a radiative gas it would all boil off even with ocean circulation as it could not get rid of heat in the atmosphere. On the other hand, the fact that it can absorb IR means it limits the rate of heat loss from the oceans. The heat output from the surface of the oceans does not vary much with latitude. That is why there is net input in the tropics and net loss nearer the poles.

      When Drakes Passage opened 61Ma ago the western Pacific cooled 6 degrees and the Atlantic heated up as the Southern Ocean circulation began. Australia transformed from tropical rain forest to the dry continent. I have a view that an ice bridge forming from the south pole to South America could be the onset of ice ages as it would interfere with the southern ocean circulation. It does not take much reduction in solar input to bring the ice line that far north.

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    The UN inadvertently admits that a doubling of CO2 does not cause 3C of warming

    Prince Charles is the lead author on the Ladybird Book of Climate Change. I can recommend it as a good summary of the emptiness of the climate alarmist case. It was one graphic in the book that struck me. So far human there has been 2000 GtCO2 of emissions. Only another 1000 GtCO2 to go before the dreaded 2C barrier is breached. Being a (slightly manic) beancounter I looked at the source of the figures. It was in a presentation to summarize the Summary of the 2014 IPCC AR5 Synthesis report. Up until 2011 there were estimated 1900 GtCO2 emitted and 1000 before breaching the dreaded 2C barrier. By some simple calculations I found that this claim was pretty precise if
    (a) a doubling of CO2 causes 3C of warming.
    (b) greenhouse gas levels rose from 280ppm to 391.6 ppm in the period 1780 to 2011.
    (c) Following from (b) 17 GtCO2 of emissions leads to a rise of 1ppm in atmospheric CO2 levels
    (d) If a doubling of CO2 gives 3C of warming and the starting level of CO2 is 280ppm, then 2C of warming will be reached at 450ppm.
    (e) 450-391.6 = 58.4. Multiply 58.4 by 17 gives 992.8. The 1000 GtCO2 to avoid 2C of warming.

    Two main problems with this argument.
    First is that it ignores the impact of other greenhouse gases, that is methane etc. If you add them in the 2C of warming is already in the pipeline.
    Second is that when the climate evangelists talk of constraining warming to 1.5C, they have not done the maths. If CS=3 and CO2 levels have increased from 280 to 400ppm, then warming in the pipeline should be 1.54C. Already too late on CO2 alone.

    To keep on arguing for policies to retrain warming to 1.5C or 2C warns assuming that a doubling of CO2 definitely gives far less that 3C of warming. That means warming rates will be much slower and so climate catastrophe will never happen. Figures are laid out here.

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    But if the IPCC has really looked at the data, rather than massaging the figures to get the policy conclusion they wanted, they would have noticed that around the turn of the century the rate of rise in CO2 levels increased. That would imply that the rate of warming would increase. Instead warming stopped. The conjecture that rising GHG levels are the dominant cause of twentieth century warming is contradicted by the real world.

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      toorightmate

      Agree in spades Kevin.
      The CO2 horseshit has to stop.

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      tom0mason

      Yes Kevin,

      In comparison to natural climate variation, humanity’s impact on the climate of the planet is trivial. Indeed that humanity’s major impact on the globe since ancient times has been changing the flora and fauna around us, and it appears that we (like all animals) have it in our nature to do so.

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        Tom,
        Your belief and mine that human beings are having a trivial impact on climate might be the case. Alternatively the rise in greenhouse levels – particularly CO2 – might be making a large impact on the earth’s climate through a significant rise in global average temperatures. Scientifically the null hypothesis it that there is no difference from rising CO2 levels. It is only by testing the hypothesis against the data that the issue of a non-trivial impact can be resolved. From the year 2000 there is no non-trivial relationship, as there was no relationship before 1975.

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          tom0mason

          I absolutely agree.
          The other points to note are –

          1.CO2 as a trace atmospheric gas at about 400ppm (0.04%), and its theoretical contribution to global warming is to trap a very narrow band of outgoing radiation between 13 and 18 microns. Those wavelengths are consistent with a black body with a temperature of -80°C.

          2. Historically four temperature peaks in the last 400,000 years were all above today’s temperatures and occurred at lower CO2 levels.

          3. Every ice-age began when CO2 was at or near peak levels, in other words, high CO2 levels were not enough to prevent ice ages. However there is no mechanism defined that explains how or why CO2 would lead temperatures to pull the planet out of an ice age, similarly there is no defined explanation to how or why high CO2 levels could initiate an ice age.

          4. Historically, in the last 600 million years or so, during periods of very high CO2 levels no evidence of runaway global warming occurred, even when CO2 levels were at 1,000 ppm or 6,000ppm.

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    pat

    4 Feb: Judith Curry: Climate scientists versus climate data
    by John Bates
    A look behind the curtain at NOAA’s climate data center…
    Here are the comments that I provided to David Rose, some of which were included in his article:…
    https://judithcurry.com/2017/02/04/climate-scientists-versus-climate-data/

    following seen by the millions who visited drudgereport today:

    4 Feb: RealClimaeScience: Tony Heller: NASA / NOAA Climate Data Is Fake Data
    NOAA shows the Earth red hot in December, with record heat in central Africa…
    The map above is fake. NOAA has almost no temperature data from Africa, and none from central Africa. They simply made up the record temperatures…
    Satellites show that NOAA’s” record hot regions in Africa were actually close to normal…
    Gavin Schmidt at NASA claims the imaginary NOAA data has been replicated by many other institutions…
    However, when Gavin is confronted about his obviously bogus temperature graphs, he defends by saying “it is not my data, I get it from NOAA.” In fact, all of the supposedly independent agencies get the lion’s share of their data from NOAA…
    NASA and NOAA are engaged in the biggest fraud in science history, and this needs to end now that criminals are no longer in control of our government. Under the Trump administration, government employees stand to make huge amounts of money by whistleblowing fraud. Contact Kent Clizbe for details.
    https://realclimatescience.com/2017/02/nasa-noaa-climate-data-is-fake-data/

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    clipe

    via duckduckgo search

    by John Bates

    A look behind the curtain at NOAA’s climate data center.

    https://thehillnews.net/news/Climate-scientists-versus-climate-data

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    toorightmate

    The left and the media are aghast that Donald Trump is not being politically correct.
    I think it is fabulous that he is making no real effort to be politically correct.
    Political correctness has ruined so many politicians (Obama, Abbot, Gillard, W Clinton, Rudd, David Cameron, Turnbull, Merkel, Hollande, etc).
    While all of these waffling wasters were so busy being politically correct, they did nothing but harm the well-meaning people of the world.

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      tom0mason

      The left and the media are yet to understand that Donald Trump was voted in because he is not politically correct. That and the fact he will try very hard to change things for the better.

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    Robber

    The Independent Review into the Future Security of the National Electricity Market, chaired by the Chief Scientist, Dr Alan Finkel AO, is commencing a wide-ranging public consultation process on its Preliminary Report to inform the development of recommendations for the final blueprint.

    Dr Alan Finkel presented the Preliminary Report of the Review to the Council of Australian Governments (COAG) Leaders’ Meeting on 9 December 2016.

    The Preliminary Report has been released and is available here:
    Independent Review into the Future Security of the National Electricity Market
    Dr Finkel and the Panel welcome submissions responding to the Preliminary Report. The submission period is open until 21 February 2017.

    Jo, I hope that you and TonyfromOz and others are making submissions.

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      It’s funny really.

      I made a pretty large Submission to the Queensland Renewable Energy Expert Panel, and that’s at this link, on the right hand side there under my name, Anton Lang, if any of you haven’t read it.

      So, along I went to the carefully stage managed Rockhampton event, our stop on where they toured the State telling us what they were doing.

      At the end of the meeting, I asked one of the named panel members if they had read my submission at all, and his reply was that ….. “no, we don’t read the submissions. People do that for us and bring anything in it to our attention, if relevant.”

      I all but stopped listening at the event when they went through the preliminary report and their last finding was that they will not be closing any coal fired plants in Queensland by that due date, 2030, offering up a waffle excuse that was pitifully woeful.

      Incidentally, the oldest coal fired power plant in Queensland is Gladstone and in 2030, that plant, which they said will not be closing will have been in operation since 1976, so it will then be 66 years old. I wonder if any greenie supporters will see the irony in that, when the absolute best they can hope for from any renewable power plant is 20 to 25 years.

      As for me, well, I’m done for submissions after that. My submission to the Feds Wind Power inquiry also went unread as well.

      No point. They have their minds already made up.

      Why even have an Inquiry, unless you already know the result. Find the people who will tell us what we want to hear.

      Tony.

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        My mistake here: (my bolding)

        Incidentally, the oldest coal fired power plant in Queensland is Gladstone and in 2030, that plant, which they said will not be closing will have been in operation since 1976, so it will then be 66 years old.

        That should be only 54 years old.

        Tony.

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        Peter C

        Tony,
        I understand your frustration. I agree that you submission was totally ignored by the expert panel. However it is on the public record. It is accessible by anyone with internet access. For ever more, hopefully.

        We are fighting here in cyberspace about the contest of ideas. Trump is making waves in the USA but nothing is happening much here in Australia, right now since Turnbull took the helm. So I think now is the time to stir the pot!

        Having said all that I will make my own individual response to the The Independent Review into the Future Security of the National Electricity Market, based on what I have learned from you and others on this blog!

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        scaper...

        Hi Tony. Just read your submission and it contains a lot of useful information. Never give up…just needs to get to the right people. Can I pass it on? Would be most helpful.

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        Robber

        Tony, I read your excellent paper, but I am not surprised that panel members had not read it – probably too technical for them. However hopefully their technical experts from AEMO will read and comprehend. My effort below is an attempt to present the argument in simple enough terms that even politicians grasp the impossibilities of a 50% target. And perhaps Jo with her journalist talents can present the case in a newspaper column.

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        David Maddison

        Thanks for the submission, Tony.

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        peter

        Tony,
        Greens and even a number of ALP politicians have said that they have talked to energy “experts” who assure them that HELE coal powered stations are too expensive, uncompetitive and will never be built in Australia. Who are these “experts” and what numbers are they working on? Are they choosing to just ignore confounding costs of renewable energy? All we get from MSM is conclusive statements that coal power is too expensive and will just raise electricity rates. What’s going on? Do you know?

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          peter,

          I suspect that those umm, experts look at the initial cost and then deliberately find ways to make it unobtainable.

          When it comes to costing, what they (the pro renewable lobby) have done is to (what they call it) level the playing field.

          They will quote the absolute maximum they can for these new plants construction, and in some cases, add on CCS as well, add on a projected price on CO2 emissions, all of this lowering output and raising the cost even further, and then lower the Capacity Factor, and give all plants a lifetime of 25 to 30 years, and then quote the absolute maximum for the price of coal, and its transportation to the plant site, keeping in mind most plants are constructed at or close to the mine site anyway.

          What all of that does is considerably lower the lifetime total power output, the mechanism for cost recovery, the sale of electricity at a dollar cost per MWH of power actually delivered to the grid.

          What needs to be realised here is that these plants are being constructed hand over fist all across the World, except here.

          Do you seriously think those poorer still developing Countries could actually afford them if they were the cost quoted.

          It seems to me that when they quote $400 Million for a wind plant of 400MW Nameplate, that’s okay, but when it comes to $2.5 Billion for a 2400MW coal fired plant, it’s all of a sudden way over the cost. That coal fired plant across one year will deliver almost 20 times the power, and is only six times the construction cost, and lasts twice as long.

          They will do anything they can to raise the cost for coal fired power, and anything they can to artificially lower the cost of renewables.

          Why would those developing countries (seemingly) cut their own throats if they were so expensive, with no chance of recovering those costs.

          Tony.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Tony, find a place to have your work archived. It could well be that intelligent people will want that information after you are gone.

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      David Maddison

      Finkel is a warmist true believer.

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    pat

    I like some of Sting’s music, tho not all, and definitely not this melodically boring, lyrically ridiculous piece I recently heard:

    Sting: “One Fine Day”

    Optimists say,
    The future’s just a place we’ve never been.
    Histories say,
    We’re doomed to make the same mistakes again.

    Between the two I can’t decide,
    Really I must choose a side.
    I guess I’ll wake up smarter,
    One fine day.

    Apologists say,
    The weather’s just a cycle we can’t change.
    Scientists say,
    We’ve pushed those cycles way beyond.

    Dear leaders, please do something quick,
    Time is up, the planet’s sick.
    But hey, we’ll all be grateful,
    One fine day?

    Today the North West Passage just got found,
    Three penguins and a bear got drowned,
    The ice they lived on disappeared,
    Seems things are worse than some had feared.

    …It’s progress of a kind,
    Who knows what else we’re going to find?
    So do you trust your head or heart,
    When things all seem to fall apart?
    I guess we’ll wake up smarter,
    One fine day.

    Today it’s raining dogs and cats,
    Rabbits jumping out of hats,
    And now what’s got us all agog,
    Tomorrow it’s a plague of frogs.
    We must do something quick or die,
    When snakes can talk and pigs will fly,
    And we’ll all be so much wiser,
    One fine day…
    http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/sting/onefineday.html

    Sting returns to rock roots on latest
    San Francisco Chronicle -1 Feb. 2017
    “’One Fine Day’ is my satire about climate skeptics,” Sting says of the current single. “I sincerely and passionately hope that they are right and that the majority of scientists in the related fields of research are all full of baloney, and for that perhaps we’ll all be grateful one fine day!”

    Rolling Stone: Watch Sting’s Charming Ode to Nature in ‘One Fine Day’ Video
    Rolling Stone – 10 Jan 2017

    Sting makes a climate change statement with new track ‘One Fine Day’
    Yahoo Sports-11 Jan. 2017

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    Robber

    Why a 50% renewable electricity generation target is unrealistic and uneconomic for Australia.
    Several States and the Australian Labor Party are proposing a 50% renewable energy goal for Australia.
    If we assume that the 50% target is to be met with wind/solar, those sources have an average capacity factor of 25% as they are intermittent.
    Therefore, to achieve 50% supply on average, installed capacity of wind/solar must be equal to 200% of average demand.
    However, at night and when the wind isn’t blowing, base load capacity must be provided by coal/gas, equal to 100% of peak demand.
    Therefore no base load power stations can be shut down.
    But on average, those stations will be restricted to running at only 50% of their capacity which is uneconomic. Hence the proposed closure of Hazelwood, with presumably more to follow.
    Then consider the situation with peak wind/solar delivery. Their peak capacity must be 200% of demand (because on average they only operate at 25% of nameplate capacity), but they will only be required to supply 50% of their potential. Furthermore, some base load coal/gas will be required to ensure grid stability and synchronization.

    Conclusion: To meet a 50% renewables supply target, massive investments will be required in wind/solar, but those supplies must continue to be backed up with 100% supply of base load coal/gas. Therefore the target is unrealistic and uneconomic. This is exacerbated when you consider the complexities of the vast network covering Qld, NSW, Vic, Tas and SA.

    Similar arguments apply to the current government’s 23.5% RET.

    Make your submissions to the Independent Review into the Future Security of the National Electricity Market as noted in #13 above. Their current suggestions include:
    There are technical solutions to increase grid security and reliability. For example, these may include:
    • Synchronous condensers. These are spinning synchronous motors whose shafts are not connected to a mechanical load. They consume very little real energy (machine losses), and in addition to providing inertia, they can generate or absorb reactive power to help to stabilise the system voltage and supply fault current contributions to the network. They can be purchased as new, or reconfigured from decommissioned synchronous generators. For example, at Huntington Beach in California two natural gas-fired generator units (which had been closed since 1995) were converted into synchronous condensers.
    • Synthetic inertia. New controllers are available that will transiently convert the non-synchronous mechanical inertia of a wind turbine into ‘synthetic inertia’. These are compulsory, for example, for all new wind turbines installed in Québec, Canada.
    • Power conversion systems. These allow the stored energy in large batteries to be used for a variety of power system tasks including the synthesis of inertia, reactive power control and system restart. Battery connected power conversion facilities are currently being installed in England and Wales.
    • Fast interruption of loads to correct demand and supply imbalances.
    Solutions could be implemented through a mix of market mechanisms and regulatory requirements. Further analysis, such as cost-benefit analysis, is needed to identify optimal solutions and implementation frameworks. It may be, for instance, that there should be appropriate underlying technical design and standards, over which a market can then provide the least cost solutions.

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      NTgeo

      Surely the only rational conclusion to be drawn is that the current RET subsidies that are distorting the electricity market should be withdrawn immediately. The current plan by Turnbull & Co to subsidise the building of new generation coal plants in order to counter the wind generators is the sort of terrible policy that you arrive at when you base your actions on a thoroughly baseless theory like CAGW. Why a responsible government would even consider any of these expense fixes to the electricity market is beyond me. Sometimes I wonder whether they are all on the take!

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        Lionell Griffith

        Rationality is not a property of governments. It applies only to individuals. Then only if the individual holds rationality as his highest virtue and practices it consistently. Thus it is an empty hope to expect governments to be and act rationally.

        This is why governments must be limited to action based upon strictly limited rules and must be no larger than required to act within those rules. The catch is that the rules themselves cannot be generated by the government that is to execute them. Otherwise, there is no limit to government and no space within which the individual can long survive and thrive.

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      RobK

      All the fixes to renewables add to the cost and detract from the efficiency. Not included in your list is beefing up of the grid’s conductors and load sensing (to suit a distributed grid for solar) .

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      David Maddison

      “• Fast interruption of loads to correct demand and supply imbalances.”

      Is that the politically correct name for load shedding?

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    Graham Richards

    Back in October or November we had the annual threat of devastating cyclones. Can any one remember if it was ABC or one or more of the commercial TV stations that forecast fire & brimstone?
    So far this year there has not been one cyclone any where near any part of our island home.

    We have had an unusually warm spell here in Queensland. Last ” hot one” I recall was 1995 or 1996. Does anyone have any accurate non BOM records for those months Dec, Jan ?
    I do remember the heat was with us for about 2/3 months. It was so bad I actually stopped at an air conditioner outlet on th way home from work & bought a small unit which I installed immediately on reaching home.

    The temperatures of 34/36 have not been all that bad but the presence of the worst greenhouse gas in atmosphere did make it vey uncomfortable? The greenhouse gas….water vapour! Humidity!

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    pat

    5 Feb: SMH: Peter Hannam: ‘Horrible time’: CSIRO climate science proves its worth one year after deep cuts
    Climate science at the CSIRO is bouncing back one year after executives modelled its demise, securing new revenue streams in the Pacific and China, and looking to hire new staff…

    Some of the fresh jobs will come at the Climate Science Centre, a new body backed with long-term funding by the Turnbull government. Helen Cleugh, an atmospheric researcher, will take over as its first director on February 13…
    The O&A unit is also expected to beat its revenue targets this year, despite the disruption. These include CSIRO winning a contract from the multi-billion dollar Green Climate Fund for a project in Vanuatu…
    CSIRO in December also signed a deal with the Qingdao National Laboratory for Marine Science to establish the Centre for Southern Hemisphere Ocean Research.
    That will form part of the new Climate Science Centre, and involves the Chinese counterpart providing $2 million annually for five years with co-investment by CSIRO, the University of NSW and University of Tasmania, according to an email to staff…

    President Donald Trump is set to unleash a much broader assault on science in the US and Australia should ramp up spending to offer “professional refuge to the best climate scientists”, a spokesman for Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson.
    “It is critical that the world keeps investing in climate science so we don’t face the future blindfolded,” he said…
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/horrible-time-csiro-climate-science-proves-its-worth-one-year-after-deep-cuts-20170202-gu4hyl.html

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    pat

    lengthy…yet Hausfather never mentions the NOAA scientist and whistleblower, JOHN BATES by name, merely referring to him as ***”a researcher at NOAA”!

    5 Feb: Carbon Brief: Factcheck: Mail on Sunday’s ‘astonishing evidence’ about global temperature rise
    This is a guest post by Zeke Hausfather, a climate scientist and energy systems analyst at Berkeley Earth, an independent temperature analysis project.
    In an article in today’s Mail on Sunday, David Rose makes the extraordinary claim that “world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data”, accusing the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) of manipulating the data to show more warming in a 2015 study by Tom Karl and coauthors. What he fails to mention is that the new NOAA results have been validated by independent data from satellites, buoys and Argo floats and that many other independent groups, including Berkeley Earth and the UK’s Hadley Centre, get effectively the same results…

    John Kennedy, a researcher at the UK’s Met Office in charge of their ocean temperature product, agrees that NOAA’s new record is PROBABLY the most accurate in the last two decades, remarking: “At a global scale, those adjustments really do seem to work and the ERSSTv4 adjustments work best of all.” Rose’s claim that NOAA’s results “can never be verified” is patently incorrect, as we just published a paper independently verifying the most important part of NOAA’s results…

    In his article, David Rose relies on reports from ***a researcher at NOAA who was unhappy about the data archiving associated with the Karl et al paper. While I cannot speak to how well the authors followed internal protocols, they did release their temperature anomalies, spatially gridded data land and ocean data, and the land station data associated with their analysis…READ ALL
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-mail-sundays-astonishing-evidence-global-temperature-rise

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      The advocates are on the run having to defend there positions. NOAA scientist Dr. John Bates makes it plain that the computer models and the data in question — the model used in the so called ‘pausebuster’ — What is worse about the paper is that the data used to produce its results weren’t archived and made available, which violated NOAA rules and proper scientific methodology. The Online Mails adds:

      Before he retired last year, he continued to raise the issue internally. Then came the final bombshell. Dr Bates said: ‘I learned that the computer used to process the software had suffered a complete failure.’ The reason for the failure is unknown, but it means the Pausebuster paper can never be replicated or verified by other scientists.“

      This casts doubt on Zeke Hausfather claim of “results have been validated by independent data from satellites, buoys and Argo floats and that many other independent groups, including Berkeley Earth and the UK’s Hadley Centre,…” when the original paper’s computer model and data has gone missing. In science there is no method of validating a paper’s results if there is no method or data to inspect. Therefore Zeke Hausfather is claiming validation against a fiction. In that he is probably correct.

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      tom0mason

      The advocates are on the run having to defend there positions. NOAA scientist Dr. John Bates makes it plain that the computer models and the data in question — the model used in the so called ‘pausebuster’ — have gone missing. What is worse about the paper is that the data used to produce its results weren’t archived and made available, which violated NOAA rules and proper scientific methodology. The Online Mails adds:

      Before he[Dr Bates] retired last year, he continued to raise the issue internally. Then came the final bombshell. Dr Bates said: ‘I learned that the computer used to process the software had suffered a complete failure.’ The reason for the failure is unknown, but it means the Pausebuster paper can never be replicated or verified by other scientists.“

      This casts doubt on Zeke Hausfather pompous claim of “results have been validated by independent data from satellites, buoys and Argo floats and that many other independent groups, including Berkeley Earth and the UK’s Hadley Centre,…” when the original paper’s computer model and data has gone missing. In science there is no method of validating a paper’s results if there is no method or data to inspect.
      Therefore Zeke Hausfather is claiming validation against a fiction. In that he is probably correct.

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    response at CarbonBrief to David Rose’s Daily Mail piece which I just posted has gone into moderation.

    as the writer, Zeke Hausfather – a climate scientist and energy systems analyst at Berkeley Earth – never refers to John Bates by name, only as “a researcher at NOAA”, I am posting the following:

    NCDC/NOAA: American Geophysical Union Elects NCDC Scientist to Board
    Dr. John Bates, NCDC Principal Scientist, is one of three candidates elected this year to the 15-member Board of Directors of the American Geophysical Union (AGU)…
    An AGU member since 1986, Bates previously served as Chairman of its Meetings Committee and was a member of the AGU Council in 2010–2012.

    Dr. Bates’ technical expertise lies in atmospheric sciences, and his interests include satellite observations of the global water and energy cycle, air-sea interactions, and climate variability. He has authored over 45 publications and has been involved in major national and international programs devoted to the study of meteorological science. Bates received his Bachelor of Science degree in meteorology in 1976 at Florida State University. He received his Masters of Science degree in meteorology in 1982 as well as his Doctor of Philosophy in meteorology in 1986 at University of Wisconsin, Madison…
    Congratulations to Dr. Bates on this honor!
    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/american-geophysical-union-elects-ncdc-scientist-board

    as the above has no date, am posting the following, but not sure if it is fully updated:

    LinkedIn: John Bates
    Principal Scientist
    National Climatic Data Center
    June 2012 – Present
    Meteorologist
    NOAA
    1988 – Present
    American Geophysical Union
    Board of Directors
    NOAA NCDC’s John Bates was one of three candidates recently elected to serve on the American Geophysical Union’s (AGU’s) Board of Directors (http://sites.agu.org/elections/)…
    DATA MANAGEMENT MATURITY (DMM) MODEL EDITORIAL BOARD
    Starting October 2015
    Proud to be Chairing new AGU Board
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-bates-33412551

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    hard to believe Guardian has published this, given it has been the MSM stirring up the all the violent protests & framing Trump as a fascist etc:

    5 Feb: Guardian: Trump is no fascist. He is a champion for the forgotten millions
    Obama promised solutions but let the people down. Is it any surprise that they voted for real change?
    by John Daniel Davidson
    (John Daniel Davidson is a senior correspondent for the Federalist. He lives in Austin, Texas. Comments will be opened later)
    America is deeply divided, but it’s not divided between fascists and Democrats. It’s more accurate to say that America is divided between the elites and everybody else, and Trump’s election was a rejection of the elites.
    That’s not to say plenty of Democrats and progressives don’t vehemently oppose Trump. But the crowds of demonstrators share something in common with our political and media elites: they still don’t understand how Trump got elected, or why millions of Americans continue to support him. Even now, recent polls show that more Americans support Trump’s executive order on immigration than oppose it, but you wouldn’t know it based on the media coverage…

    During his first two weeks in office, whenever Trump has done something that leaves political and media elites aghast, his supporters cheer…
    For many Americans, Hillary Clinton personified the corruption and self-dealing of the elites. But Trump’s election wasn’t just a rejection of Clinton, it was a rejection of politics as usual. If the media and political establishment see Trump’s first couple of weeks in office as a whirlwind of chaos and incompetence, his supporters see an outsider taking on a sclerotic system that needs to be dismantled. That’s precisely what many Americans thought they were doing eight years ago, when they put a freshman senator from Illinois in the White House…
    But change didn’t come. What they got was more of the same…
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/05/trump-not-fascist-champion-for-forgotten-millions

    ABC’s Jason is reminded of Hitler and Mussolini as he opens his movie show with almost 3 minutes of anti-Trump propaganda, including sound bites from Hollywood “celebs” at the SAG Awards:

    4 Feb: ABC: The Final Cut is your guide to films worth talking about, big and small—from Hollywood blockbusters to the outer reaches of world cinema
    Presented by Jason Di Rosso
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/finalcut/

    29 Jan: ABC Future Tense: Antony Funnell: Agnotology: understanding our ignorance
    If we haven’t already entered the era of dumb, it certainly feels like we’re hurtling toward it.
    Some people now talk of the “post truth” world, but Stanford University’s Robert Proctor is more likely to call it the age of Agnotology.
    Agnotology is the study of ignorance – and there’s plenty of it to study, because we’re all complicit in spreading it…
    TRANSCRIPT:
    Nick Wiggins: This is Nick Wiggins, welcome to the first episode in the 2017 series of Future Tense. Our guest today is Antony Funnell.
    Antony Funnell: Thank you Nick.
    Nick Wiggins: Occupation?
    Antony Funnell: Broadcaster, Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
    Nick Wiggins: Your special subject is the rise of ignorance and what the future will be like in a world of dumb. Your time starts now. What do we call a person who has an opinion on everything, but no evidence with which to support those opinions?
    Antony Funnell: The new President of the United States…
    Antony Funnell: And the power of repetition is something we’ve long known about.
    It was Joseph Goebbels, after all, who once said: ‘A lie told once remains a lie, but a lie told a thousand times become the truth.’…
    Donald Trump: Right now we are not strong, believe me. Make America great again, we’re going to make America great again…and my theme is make America great again…we’re going to make America great again…
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/futuretense/agnotology:-understanding-our-ignorance/8123452

    4 Feb: BoltBlog: ABC science host Robyn Williams snipes at Trump
    Robyn “200 metres” Williams opens the Science Show today with: “Welcome to this Trump-free zone.”
    Can the ABC explain why even science programs come with the kind of Left-wing bias so pervasive in a taxpayer-funded broadcaster meant to be impartial?
    —–

    virtually every program on ABC radio is guilty of pushing an anti-Trump agenda & no doubt it’s similar on TV. where is management?

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    4 Feb: Boston Herald: Chris Cassidy: Donald Trump gets high praise from ex-GE exec Welch
    Retired General Electric CEO Jack Welch says his two-hour White House meeting with President Trump and other business executives “far exceeded my expectations” and covered issues ranging from immigration to financial regulations to women in the workplace.
    “I’m telling you it was one of the best meetings I’ve ever been to in my life in terms of real stuff, real issues being discussed,” Welch told the Herald by phone last night. “No phony baloney. Nothing like that.”
    Welch said he has met with nearly every president since 1981, and found Trump surprisingly well-versed on topics, engaged and genuinely focused on the task of creating jobs.
    “Real guy and really concerned about every worker in the country,” said Welch. “Solid, down-to-earth, on top of the issues. The guys at the GE plant in Lynn would love him.”…

    Trump met with Welch and a panel of CEOs from corporations including Tesla, JPMorgan Chase, General Motors and Wal-Mart and even assigned them tasks to perform before they meet again. Welch said the economic advisory panel will reconvene monthly at first, then quarterly…
    “It was as intense as a GE staff meeting or a Herald staff meeting — guys with their shirtsleeves rolled up going at it,” said Welch. “There wasn’t one iota of negativity. The people in the room want to go to work for him and bring him the best suggestions possible, and he wants to get them done fast…
    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2017/02/donald_trump_gets_high_praise_from_ex_ge_exec_welch

    also note the money raised for ads in NYT, WaPo, The Nation, etc:

    3 Feb: Daily Caller: Chuck Ross: Look Who Funds The Group Behind The Call To Arms At Milo’s Berkeley Event
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/03/look-who-funds-the-group-behind-the-call-to-arms-at-milos-berkeley-event/

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    David Maddison

    Here is an interesting marine animal with a silica glass skeleton, a sponge.

    Elements of the skeleton act as optical fibres.

    The structural engineering of the skeleton is fascinating. It consists of square cells reinforced by strutlike diagonal buttresses.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus'_flower_basket

    Video at https://youtu.be/3wqIiTABoNo

    It is not an endangered CITES Treaty species and I have purchased some for gifts on Ebay.

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      Roy Hogue

      Hey, come on… That’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen, the perfect perpetual motion machine. Honestly, they should have done it years ago and the whole world could be in everlasting fat-dumb-and-happy land by now. Well, at least dumb, a whole third of the way to their goal. But they forgot to issue the power strips to everyone, chuckle, chuckle, chuckle… Too costly I guess.

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      Lionell Griffith

      Brilliant! Captures the essence of Keynesianism, regressive totalitarian progressivism, and post modern (un)science in one picture. It would work except for one little flaw called reality and its self enforced Three Laws of Thermodynamics. No matter how much you wish, demand, dictate, riot, or vote, reality determines what you can get and how much it is going to cost to get it.

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        Roy Hogue

        Lionell,

        Since when has a good card carrying progressive let a little thing like reality stand in the way of progress? Reality isn’t progress, it’s anti progress.

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          Lionell Griffith

          Agreed. Their premise is that their ever changing definitions of the words they use determine what reality is. They think all they need to assure that is the case is to suppress all opposition thought. That even though their thoughts shift as much as a dry leaf in a wind storm and is not even consistent with itself.

          No matter how much they face the east, squint, and click their red slippers, it all eventually ends in chaos and destruction. Then when the next gang of progressives come along they too pretend they can to it better than the previous gang (it still being undefined and unexamined). The final result is still more chaos and destruction only it is much more extensive and costly.

          As I have said before, their dark secret, they don’t even want themselves to conceptualize, is their goal all along is the consequential chaos and destruction. They hate the responsibility that being human places upon them so much they strive to destroy rationality as such.

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    Crakar24

    The trump effect has brought Karl et all to its knees and the swamp draining has only just begun.

    The draining of this swamp will yield treasures unlike the one on oak island lol

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    David Maddison

    No surprise here. What this guy says is exactly in accordance with actual science which shows global temperatures tracking solar output not CO2. We are heading for global cooling, not warming.

    https://youtu.be/rYwgRgbTjjQ

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    Roy Hogue

    Here we are with another week gone by and true to form, chaos reigns in the minds of the save the world brigade. The only difference between this week and the one before it is that things get more outrageously funny, you name it, Trump is guilty of it.

    One Hollywood twit is calling for the military to overthrow Trump, a coup no less. It’s too bad the military loves The Donald.

    Is there a psychiatrist in the house? We have a small emergency in the lobby sorry, along the fringes of society.

    Yep! She’s for real. May I present for your weekend entertainment, Sarah Silverman.

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    James Murphy

    If only Stephen Pallaras had spoken out about the incredible economic and social destruction wrought by the South Australian government when he was director of public prosecutions between 2005 and 2012, then maybe, just maybe something may be different.

    In doing this now, I wonder if he is eyeing off a seat in the next state election..?

    I also wonder why the ABC published something critical of Labor, it seems like someone was asleep at the wheel.

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      Graeme No.3

      5 years ago Labor was able to cover up much better, helped by the State Opposition being virtually silent. I doubt that Pallaras will stand, or intends to stand, in the next election. Why take on a hopeless task? Apart from the Labor members deciding to retire at the next election, a number of the Opposition (4 so far) have also signalled their departure – in at least 2 cases a loss of talent.

      Strange that the ABC published something critical of Labor? I think the claims in the article might have seen to be the obvious truth, if only visible when the lights are on.

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      farmerbraun

      Right , so all those leaders , with access to the best scientific advisors in the world , had absolutely no idea that they were being fed bollocks. So they are absolutely blameless! Whew!
      Thank goodness. I mean how were they to know it was all lies?

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        Dennis

        Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man’s stewardship of the environment. But we know that’s not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this.

        At a news conference last week (Oct 2015) in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

        “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.

        Referring to a new international treaty environmentalists hope will be adopted at the Paris climate change conference later this year, she added: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

        The only economic model in the last 150 years that has ever worked at all is capitalism. The evidence is prima facie: From a feudal order that lasted a thousand years, produced zero growth and kept workdays long and lifespans short, the countries that have embraced free-market capitalism have enjoyed a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled.

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      Dennis

      ON on 8 per cent primary vote according to Newspoll latest so if Bernardi goes his own Hanson will be struggling to hold ground.

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      Graeme No.3

      See today’s Newspoll. I note that Turnbull’s approval has dropped from a net of 22% positive to 21% negative in one year. Shorten isn’t gaining in approval though.

      With 29% against either major party there is room for ON and others, but I think Bernardi has a bigger share in mind.

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        Dennis

        Australia has a long history of small parties, I think the Greens have lasted longer than the others but I remember Don Chipp leaving the Liberals to form the Australian Democrats and they lasted maybe a decade and a bit? All seem to have the Senate as their power base with few or no seats in the Legislative Assembly. One Nation has four in the Senate since the 2016 election. In the foreseeable future I do not expect to experience a third alternative for government, the major parties are well entrenched and far better experienced and resourced and have welded on followers.

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        ianl8888

        Bernadi et al may split from the Libs – we’ll see.

        The true calculation here for Bernadi is whether such a split will simply push his group to wither on the political vine and give Waffle breathing space in the party room.

        In my view, much better to stay inside the tent and destabilise.

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          Analitik

          I agree. A Tea Party type factional line within the Liberal Party would be useful in keeping the party attitude conservative while maintaining a broad supporter base.

          Without the proper conservatives within the Liberal Party, Turnbull could wreak havoc and there are probably too few proper conservatives (thanks GetUp!) in office for such a party to hold sufficient leverage.

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      philthegeek

      Corgi is daH MAN!!!! Backed by Gina. Hmmmm…….If this new lot survives past the next election watch for Gina to do a Clive. :)

      short term…..will bring on libspill as backbenchers pushing free vote on SSM befoer the 2017 budget. popcorn. :)

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        el gordo

        The SSM issue is a distraction to curry favour with the leftards to improve his ratings.

        Cory and Gina make a great duo, now all they need do is put a candidate in every country Rep seat and senate.

        Depending on how it pans out in the first year, Cory and the Hansonites could form a broad coalition and upset the established political order.

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    corporate/governmental warping of science for the sake of profits and superstate control appeared before the AGW game: please see
    https://im42na.wordpress.com/2017/02/05/forced-vaccination/
    https://im42na.wordpress.com/2017/02/05/exposing-the-mandatory-vaccination-conspiracy/

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    pat

    5 Feb: news.com.au: Linda Silmalis: Clover Moore wants $100k assistant to help fight state government
    SYDNEY Lord Mayor Clover Moore is seeking a “campaigner” to join her office on a $100,000 salary to fight the state and federal governments over WestConnex and GLOBAL WARMING ISSUES.
    In a move that has angered her political opponents, Ms Moore is advertising the 12-month position for a candidate able to help “defend” the city.
    The job has been advertised at $100,072 plus superannuation, with the funds to come out of ratepayer contributions…

    “We are seeking a skilled campaigner to work with the Lord Mayor on … standing against massive new toll roads or scaling up action against “GLOBAL WARMING”, it says.
    The move has outraged Liberal Councillor Christine ­Forster who describe the job as an outrageous abuse of office.
    “This is … yet another example of Clover Moore using ratepayers’ money to fund her pet political projects,” she said…
    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/clover-moore-wants-100k-assistant-to-help-fight-state-government/news-story/0e8cf5f70983306c79ac5b58ec307555

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    philthegeek

    Hmm..forgot this: Fly meet ointment if Bernardi is underestimating his personal rather than party standing with the punters.

    not that it means anything, but Senator Bernardi was elected on the back of 329,516 Lib ticket votes in Sth Aust. His individual vote 2043.

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      Glen Michel

      I hope you know how the senate works Phil.

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        philthegeek

        Pretty familiar with it yup. :)

        Whats going to be interesting in the next few days is the rumoured push by Lib backbenchers on SSM and whether they grow a spine over a free vote in parliament over it. The do have some good reasoning that they have met their obligation to the party and electorate about the plebiscite promise by voting for one, and it being voted down by the parliament in Nov 16. They also know its an issue that is NOT going away. :)

        Free vote in parliament, on this issue, is however anathema to the right wing of the Libs and is almost an “iconic” issue for people like Corgi and Christiansen and will push buttons in terms of the “bwing bwack our Tones” crowd. Which seems all a bit silly as there are other issues of far greater importance that our elected representative should be dealing with.

        Much here damaging and divisive for the Libs. :( ……. :) I’d question the importance of Corgi’s lone vote in the Senate as whatever voter base he does have is not going to be pleased if he helps block Govt legislation. He may be able to herd some of the cross bench better than Brandis or Abetz?? But would remain to be seen how much value that gives conservatives.

        Only certainties around this are popcorn futures and damage to PM Trunball. :)

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          Graeme No.3

          Those backbenchers don’t trust the people’s judgement on the matter and why should they? After all the people voted for them (last time).

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    pat

    comment in moderation re: SYDNEY Lord Mayor Clover Moore is seeking a “campaigner” to join her office on a $100,000 salary to fight the state and federal governments over WestConnex and GLOBAL WARMING ISSUES.

    5 Feb: Breitbart: Whistle-Blower: ‘Global Warming’ Data Manipulated Before Paris Conference
    by Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D.
    A high-level whistleblower at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has revealed that the organization published manipulated data in a major 2015 report on climate change in order to maximize impact on world leaders at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.
    According to a report in The Mail on Sunday, NOAA scientist Dr. John Bates has produced “irrefutable evidence” that the NOAA study denying the “pause” in global warming in the period since 1998 was based on false and misleading data…

    Climate change skeptics have long insisted that scientists are susceptible to political and social pressures to produce the “right kind” of data to back up specific policy decisions.
    Dr. Duane Thresher, a climate scientist with a PhD from Columbia University and NASA GISS, has pointed to a “publication and funding bias” as a key to understanding how scientific consensus can be manipulated…

    “Government actions have corrupted science, which has been flooded by money to produce politically correct results,” said Dr. William Happer, professor emeritus of physics at Princeton University and a member of the National Academy of Sciences.
    “It is time for governments to finally admit the truth about global warming. Warming is not the problem. Government action is the problem,” he said…ETC
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/05/whistle-blower-global-warming-data-manipulated-paris-conference/

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    David Maddison

    Is it not possible to take some sort of legal action aginst the government for basing policy on an invalid scientific hypothesis of global warming? I am reluctant to even call it a scientific hypothesis because it is based on manipulated data.

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    clipe

    This was in the spam filter here but you already know the reason:

    Probably due to being off-topic, too long and taken verbatim from…

    ED

    (How can it be off topic for the week end unthreaded post? Agree that it is way too long for a comment) CTS)

    [CTS, that was entirely quoted from the body of the post. The POINT is it wasn't going to get through moderation as it was.] ED

    I posted this on the NOAAgate thread over at WUWT but it’s in moderation. Probably due to being off-topic, too long and taken verbatim from…

    http://luna.pos.to/whale/gen_art_green.html

    The Not So Peaceful World of Greenpeace

    (from “Forbes”, Nov. 1991)

    Leslie Spencer with Jan Bollwerk and Richard C. Morais

    [At least ten thousand paragraphs snipped] ED

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    David Maddison

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/bill-to-prop-up-green-power-hits-3-billion-a-year/news-story/779f40bbea67693e72b707468188edde

    Bill to prop up green power hits $3 billion a year

    Taxpayer subsidies to meet state and federal renewable energy ­targets have reached $3 billion a year and include spiralling hidden subsidies paid for by business and household electricity customers which go unreported in government balance sheets.

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    pat

    lol. watch the video:

    5 Feb: VIDEO: 9secs: AlArabiya: Video: Man starts fire in car to stay warm in Saudi Arabia
    The Saudi kingdom has witnessed a decrease in temperatures in recent days…
    Social media users have circulated photos of lakes, valleys and corals freezing as a result of the cold…MORE VIDEOS
    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/02/05/Video-Man-lights-fire-in-his-car-to-stay-warm-in-Saudi-Arabia.html

    interesting piece, including the comments:

    1 Feb: Euan Mearns blog: Do the Netherlands’ trains really run on 100% wind power?
    by Roger Andrews
    http://euanmearns.com/do-the-netherlands-trains-really-run-on-100-wind-power/

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    David Maddison

    With the massive over-development of most Australian cities many new apartment blocks have basements for car parking which are often below the water table and need constant pumping of water.

    With heavy emphasis on unreliable wind generation and the prospect of multi-day grid failures it is highly likely that many of these basements will get flooded when the power goes off and any backup supplies are exhausted.

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      Graeme No.3

      Dave, when I was flat hunting in Sydney in 1985 I rejected a number of units because I could see the car parks flooding. Wind turbines just make it more likely.
      That was just after Bob Hawke had ended the drought and the Nepean river had flooded the recent sub-divisions on the river flats up-stream from Windsor 3 times in a year. There was only one happy resident; he had thought ahead and built his house on stilts. The car park was underneath or on the nearby headland when the river rose (tinny to get to house). He had a waterproofed electricity supply so he could sit on his balcony with a cold beer and watch the flotsam go by.

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    crakar24

    Just read a story about Fukashima, apparently the radiation at the base of the pressure vessel was 570 sieverts!!!!!!!! 570 OMG we are doomed, doomed i tells ya………..oh hang on this reading was estimated based on the “noise” seen on the remote controlled cameras screen and has an error bar of +/- 30%.

    Its good to see the corruption of science has gone beyond the study of climate.

    cheers

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    Dennis

    Hanson on Bernardi: we’re on same lines …

    1:58PMRACHEL BAXENDALE, SARAH MARTIN
    Pauline Hanson says Cory Bernardi would split her voter base if he formed his own party, but says she’ll work with him.

    The Australian

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    Robert Rosicka

    Given the imminent Bernardi defection and the likely event that he will form his own party , I still think Hansen has less out there beliefs .

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    el gordo

    Finkel lashes out at Trump, comparing him to Stalin.

    Dr Finkel said: “The Trump administration has mandated that scientific data published by the EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] must undergo review by political appointees before they can be published.”

    SMH

    Judith Curry would be a good political appointee, she is free of academia and has the runs on the board to slay the Klimatariat.

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    Ross

    Interesting looking at a news item about the Sydney weather in recent days. Obviously getting some real summer weather. Across the ditch here in Wellington we are getting the worst summer (Dec/Jan/Feb) that I can remember. Bit better up the East coast of the North Is.

    Saw the start of the fight back to Trunbull’s idea of a new coal fired power station, on Sky. Some climate action group reckon power prices will have increase 4 fold to pay for the Government subsidies. Another guy reckons because solar and wind construction prices are dropping there will be no need for a coal fired station–clearly have no understanding of the issue in SA.

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      farmerbraun

      We have had similar summers before Ross , but not often.And as far as pastoral farmers like myself are concerned , it has been a brilliant summer, although it is over now, with February being the beginning of Autumn by day length. Regular rain throughout summer is as good as it gets , although the direction (mostly from the SW) left something to be desired in respect of soil temperatures.
      I did manage to make some very good hay twice : once before Xmas, and again in January.
      The East coast , particularly Gisborne , is in dire straits with the dry.
      You must be a ” townie” :-)

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        Ross

        Yes, a townie farmerbraun.
        I was amazed at the amount of spring/ early summer growth around in the lower NI this year. The amount of hay or silage farmers were getting was a bonanza for them —should be plenty to send some spare to their mates up north.

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      Rick Will

      I have decided to do a submission for the Review into future security of the NEM. I was and advocate for the NEM and was the industrial consumer representative on the very first market system development committee for the NEM when the State monopoly on power generation and transmission was consigned to history.

      The present approach to prioritising renewable energy supply to the grid is heading for disastrous consequences. The low capacity factor of renewables and the uncosted component of supply variability will eventually result in regular outages due to over voltage and over frequency. There is no viable renewable solution without matching storage capacity.

      Firstly I believe wind power will head the way of nuclear power where the generators become uninsurable and cannot get commercial funding. The signs are already there with towers catching fire, towers falling over, debris scattered long distances and a variety of health issues for human and wild life.

      With solar, from my experience of operating a small off-grid system in Melbourne, the capacity of the solar panels need to be based on the June insolation adjusted for cloud. On my system that means 1.2 hours of sunlight on the worst consecutive days. The battery capacity, using LiFePO4 cells, needs to be able to handle two days average energy supply. I purchased solar panels and mounting hardware for AUD1000/kW and battery capacity for AUD500/kWh. My funding costs were 4%pa. I expect 10 years from the battery (still full capacity after 4 years) and 25 years from the panels. On that basis my average cost for power from off grid over a 25 year life will be 52c/kWh. This may seem dumb economically but my on-grid system enjoys a FIT of 66c/kWh so I am slightly ahead due to most of the off-grid power being used through the daylight periods; meaning more export. So far the system has experienced one low voltage cut-out in 4 years. It was offline for 4 hours to recover so 99.9% reliability. It would only need a tiny fossil fuel source to avoid the cut-out condition and can be anticipated at least one day in advance.

      When this is scaled up nationally with solar arrays located in the broad region that encompasses Alice Springs, where the June insolation is 6.2 hours and the cloud factor more favourable, there is an estimated 4.8 hours of sunshine (June capacity factor is thus 20%). There would need to be UHVDC links to battery storage sites near the coastal load centres. There is now a maintenance charge included as well. There is a slight cost reduction to AUD477/MWh.
      http://www.rpc.com.au/pdf/Solar_Radiation_Figures.pdf

      If the cost of batteries and inverters fall to AUD300/kWh and installed cost of panels is AUD700/kWh then the power cost reduces to AUD292/MWh. These costs are in sight now. New coal is estimated to be around AUD130/MWh.

      On the immediately foreseeable price for solar, it is approximately twice the cost of new coal. It will take years of R&D and/or a looming shortage of fossil fuels to make it economic.

      Incentives for renewables need to be phased out. All renewable installations should have associated storage capacity for two days (or other prescribed period) average production. No renewable supplier can dispatch, on a daily basis, more than half (or prescribed fraction) of their remaining battery capacity.

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        Robber

        Rick, I encourage you to make a submission, and happy to assist in any way I can. Some comments on your draft:

        The present approach to prioritising renewable energy supply to the grid is heading for disastrous consequences. The low capacity factor of renewables and the uncosted component of supply variability will eventually result in regular outages due to over voltage and over frequency. There is no viable renewable solution without matching storage capacity.

        <>

        Firstly I believe wind power will head the way of nuclear power where the generators become uninsurable and cannot get commercial funding. The signs are already there with towers catching fire, towers falling over, debris scattered long distances and a variety of health issues for human and wild life.

        <>

        With solar, from my experience of operating a small off-grid system in Melbourne, the capacity of the solar panels need to be based on the June insolation adjusted for cloud. On my system that means 1.2 hours of sunlight on the worst consecutive days. The battery capacity, using LiFePO4 cells, needs to be able to handle two days average energy supply. I purchased solar panels and mounting hardware for AUD1000/kW and battery capacity for AUD500/kWh. My funding costs were 4%pa. I expect 10 years from the battery (still full capacity after 4 years) and 25 years from the panels. On that basis my average cost for power from off grid over a 25 year life will be 52c/kWh. This may seem dumb economically but my on-grid system enjoys a FIT of 66c/kWh so I am slightly ahead due to most of the off-grid power being used through the daylight periods; meaning more export. So far the system has experienced one low voltage cut-out in 4 years. It was offline for 4 hours to recover so 99.9% reliability. It would only need a tiny fossil fuel source to avoid the cut-out condition and can be anticipated at least one day in advance.

        <<I note that you are receiving an FIT (feed in tariff) of 66c/kwh so a false economy that is being paid for by the rest of us. As I understand it, the current FIT is about 8c/kwh so the true cost of solar would be 44c/kwh, well above current home usage charges of about 20c/kwh.

        When this is scaled up nationally with solar arrays located in the broad region that encompasses Alice Springs, where the June insolation is 6.2 hours and the cloud factor more favourable, there is an estimated 4.8 hours of sunshine (June capacity factor is thus 20%). There would need to be UHVDC links to battery storage sites near the coastal load centres. There is now a maintenance charge included as well. There is a slight cost reduction to AUD477/MWh.
        http://www.rpc.com.au/pdf/Solar_Radiation_Figures.pdf

        If the cost of batteries and inverters fall to AUD300/kWh and installed cost of panels is AUD700/kWh then the power cost reduces to AUD292/MWh. These costs are in sight now. New coal is estimated to be around AUD130/MWh.

        On the immediately foreseeable price for solar, it is approximately twice the cost of new coal. It will take years of R&D and/or a looming shortage of fossil fuels to make it economic.

        <>

        Incentives for renewables need to be phased out. All renewable installations should have associated storage capacity for two days (or other prescribed period) average production. No renewable supplier can dispatch, on a daily basis, more than half (or prescribed fraction) of their remaining battery capacity.

        <>

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          Robber

          Rick, I encourage you to make a submission, and happy to assist in any way I can. Some comments on your draft: Second attempt – somehow I edited out my own comments.

          The present approach to prioritising renewable energy supply to the grid is heading for disastrous consequences. The low capacity factor of renewables and the uncosted component of supply variability will eventually result in regular outages due to over voltage and over frequency. There is no viable renewable solution without matching storage capacity.

          Consider the situation in SA that is approaching 50% wind generation on average, and over 100% when the wind blows strongly, relying on exports to Victoria. But when the wind doesn’t blow, all generation must come from base load coal/gas with large imports from Victoria. However, using coal/gas in this way means that on average their utilisation will be only 50%, clearly uneconomic, and the reason stations such as Hazelwood are closing. But that base load coal/gas must continue to be available to meet 100% of peak demand. Therefore, investments in wind generation are adding uneconomic capacity, as no base load power stations can be shutdown without adding massive storage capacity across the grid. The challenge is exacerbated when you consider the complexities of the vast network linking Qld, NSW, Vic, Tas and SA.

          Firstly I believe wind power will head the way of nuclear power where the generators become uninsurable and cannot get commercial funding. The signs are already there with towers catching fire, towers falling over, debris scattered long distances and a variety of health issues for human and wild life.

          Somewhat off topic, delete unless you can provide evidence – it doesn’t seem to be a problem today.

          With solar, from my experience of operating a small off-grid system in Melbourne, the capacity of the solar panels need to be based on the June insolation adjusted for cloud. On my system that means 1.2 hours of sunlight on the worst consecutive days. The battery capacity, using LiFePO4 cells, needs to be able to handle two days average energy supply. I purchased solar panels and mounting hardware for AUD1000/kW and battery capacity for AUD500/kWh. My funding costs were 4%pa. I expect 10 years from the battery (still full capacity after 4 years) and 25 years from the panels. On that basis my average cost for power from off grid over a 25 year life will be 52c/kWh. This may seem dumb economically but my on-grid system enjoys a FIT of 66c/kWh so I am slightly ahead due to most of the off-grid power being used through the daylight periods; meaning more export. So far the system has experienced one low voltage cut-out in 4 years. It was offline for 4 hours to recover so 99.9% reliability. It would only need a tiny fossil fuel source to avoid the cut-out condition and can be anticipated at least one day in advance.

          I note that you are receiving an FIT (feed in tariff) of 66c/kwh so a false economy that is being paid for by the rest of us. As I understand it, the current FIT is about 8c/kwh so the true cost of solar would be 44c/kwh, well above current home usage charges of about 20c/kwh.

          When this is scaled up nationally with solar arrays located in the broad region that encompasses Alice Springs, where the June insolation is 6.2 hours and the cloud factor more favourable, there is an estimated 4.8 hours of sunshine (June capacity factor is thus 20%). There would need to be UHVDC links to battery storage sites near the coastal load centres. There is now a maintenance charge included as well. There is a slight cost reduction to AUD477/MWh.
          http://www.rpc.com.au/pdf/Solar_Radiation_Figures.pdf

          If the cost of batteries and inverters fall to AUD300/kWh and installed cost of panels is AUD700/kWh then the power cost reduces to AUD292/MWh. These costs are in sight now. New coal is estimated to be around AUD130/MWh.

          On the immediately foreseeable price for solar, it is approximately twice the cost of new coal. It will take years of R&D and/or a looming shortage of fossil fuels to make it economic.

          You have quoted a lot of numbers in this section that are not readily validated, and are therefore likely to be ignored by the Panel as they will have submissions from suppliers in this area. Delete?

          Incentives for renewables need to be phased out. All renewable installations should have associated storage capacity for two days (or other prescribed period) average production. No renewable supplier can dispatch, on a daily basis, more than half (or prescribed fraction) of their remaining battery capacity.

          Strong finish. However, for those committed to the RET, they will conclude that more money must be invested in storage, and we will all pay more to meet the current RET target. Does your recommendation resolve the issues of network stability and synchronisation?

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          Rick Will

          Robber
          I expect I will seek input when I have a draft.

          I want to focus on economics as the driver rather than misplaced zeal to rid the world of CO2. So I have to tread carefully with that aspect otherwise the renewable zealots will attack it.

          There are a lot of people in South Australia realising they have been lead down a dark and gloomy path by the anti-carbon fanatics. The balance of opinion is rapidly shifting to questioning the fanaticism.

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    David Maddison

    How deluded does one have to be to still believe in “global warming”, whether it be of either the anthropogenic variety or even the natural variety of which there has not been any for 19 yrs if unaltered raw temperature measurements are used.

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    pat

    el gordo -

    i almost didn’t believe what u wrote about “our” “Chief Scientist”!

    6 Feb: Australian: Julie Hare: Trump’s scientific censorship remiscient of Stalin: Finkel
    Australia’s chief scientist has likened the Trump administration political censoring of documents and research on the US’s Environmental Protection Agency’s website to Stalinist Russia.
    In a speech to a gathering of scientists and policy experts at Australian National University this afternoon, chief scientist Alan Finkel said “science is literally under attack”.
    Dr Finkel said a Trump administration edict that all scientific data published on the EPA’s website must undergo review by political appointees “was inadvisable and will certainly cause long-term harm”.
    He said the move was reminiscent of political interference in scientific endeavours in Stalin’s Russia.
    He said one of Joseph Stalin’s was beholden to the idea propagated by one of his science advisers Trofim Lysenko…

    Dr Finkel said he was proud to be chief scientist of a country in which he had never been “been told by a Prime Minister or a Minister what to say”…
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/trumps-scientific-censorship-remiscient-of-stalin-finkel/news-story/4c03954745b408ce8e427dd86548d3c0

    and he keeps his job? the attack on science comes from the CAGW mob, mate.

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    pat

    meanwhile, i’m no fan of American football, & have never watched the Superbowl, but it was hilarious watching the FakeNewsMSM build up today’s final as another test of whether or not Trump won the election. if the Falcons won, it would somehow be more proof of Trump’s illegitimacy.

    for hours, social media was ablaze with anti-Trumpers – many who probably never watched a game in their lives – celebrating a Patriots/Trump loss. oops.

    WaPo made fools of themselves (as always):

    5 Feb: WaPo: Cindy Boren: Stay off Twitter, President Trump. You’re being bashed over the Patriots’ play.
    President Trump, a New England Patriots fan because of his many personal connections to the team, is hosting the first Super Bowl party of his presidency at Trump International Golf Club in Florida…
    It’s a good thing that the commander-in-chief is not tweeting because, well, social media is being unkind, what with the Patriots trailing and all…

    TWEETS:
    Clarence Hill Jr: Brady better denounce Trump. Falcons doing it for the country…

    Kyle Krieger: Pats (Patriots) got that Trump curse goin on. Yikes…

    Beau Willimon: Brady’s first half has been like Trump’s first two weeks: disastrous and shut down…
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/02/05/stay-off-twitter-president-trump-youre-being-bashed-over-the-patriots-play/?utm_term=.955409497b0f
    FROM COMMENTS:
    Not a Trump or Pats fan, but WaPo every time you try to take the moral highground, you are shown to be even bigger putzes than we thought. Nobody could be more wrong more often than you…

    Why is everyone at The Bezos Post so anti-Trump? Maybe Cindy should consider retirement…

    More fake news…

    Clearly the leftwing press is not good at predicting things. Always predicting too soon…

    He who tweets last, tweets best…

    LOTS OF LAUGHS ABOUT THE ABOVE & THE PATRIOTS’ WIN AT FREEREPUBLIC
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3521783/posts?q=1&amp;;page=51

    6 Feb: Freerepublic: re McClatchy article by Greg Hadley: Trump supporters see kindred spirit in Patriots’ come-from-behind victory
    President Donald Trump’s relationship with the New England Patriots has been well-documented: He considers their star quarterback to be a personal friend, he picked them to win the Super Bowl on Sunday and he has sided with them against the team’s most notorious enemy: commissioner Roger Goodell…
    The Patriots took care of that Sunday, going down 21-0 at one point. Suddenly, the Atlanta Falcons looked unstoppable. But at that moment, Donald Trump Jr. took a moment to note something.

    TWEET: Donald J. Trump: Where have I seen stats like this before???
    (referring to WSJ Tweet: The Falcons now have a 91.6% chance of winning Super Bowl LI. Live analysis)…
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3521791/posts

    first reply to WSJ Tweet:
    masala momma: WSJ I think you said the same thing about Hillary winning the election.

    Verizon had Falcons win a 98.4% probability.

    2mins40secs from the end, Fox News website apparently had only 1% chance Patriots would win.

    lots of good cartoons going the rounds: Jill Stein calling for recount, Falcons won the popular vote, etc.

    Tweet: Donald J. Trump: What an amazing comeback and win by the Patriots. Tom Brady, Bob Kraft and Coach B are total winners. Wow!

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    pat

    ouch…I posted the following on jo’s new thread by mistake. oh well, can’t undo it, but it’s a Superbowl follow-up, so i’ll post it here too.

    a dozen or so tweets from the likes of Michael Moore and fellow ultra progressive leftist David Corn makes MANY PEOPLE’S MINDS for FakeNews USA Today:

    5 Feb: USA Today: Angry fans are blaming Trump for ‘jinxing’ the Patriots
    By Luke Kerr-Dineen
    UPDATE: They were all super wrong.
    ORIGINAL: Even before the game was over, many New England fans were still very irritated about something that happened hours earlier.
    It involved President Donald Trump who, in an interview with Bill O’Reilly ahead of Super Bowl 51 coverage, said the Patriots would win by eight points against “the other team”…
    And that, in MANY PEOPLE’S MINDS, suceeded in jinxing the Pats…

    TWEET: Michael Moore: As second half begins, Trump says Patriots are up by 27. Spicer challenges press to prove that Falcons have even crossed the goal line once.

    TWEET: David Corn (Washington DC bureau chief of Mother Jones, MSNBC analyst & author of Showdown and HUBRIS):
    I hope Tom Brady did vote for Trump. #SuperBowl
    Richard Mello: @DavidCornDC The Trump jinx.
    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/02/donald-trump-new-england-patriots-atlanta-falcons-jinx

    Trump doesn’t like making predictions (unlike CAGW alarmists!)

    5 Feb: The Hill: Mallory Shelbourne: Trump predicts Patriots will win Super Bowl by 8 points
    “Well, I hate to make predictions, but I’ll say, I don’t even know what are the odds, I guess it’s pretty even, so I’ll say the Patriots will win by 8 points,” Trump told Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.
    “Well I like Bob Kraft. I like Coach Belichick and Tom Brady’s my friend,” Trump said…

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      a final “Superbowl as US Presidential election” moment, to match the Newsweek “Madam President” cover in November:

      6 Feb: NBC Sports: Boston Globe has Dewey-defeats-Truman moment
      Most people thought the Falcons had beaten the Patriots. Including the leading newspaper in Boston.
      Via Field Yates of ESPN.com, an early edition of the Boston Globe declared victory for the Falcons with a headline that proclaimed: A Bitter End. Appearing under that was a photo of Falcons defensive back Robert Alford returning an interception from Patriots quarterback Tom Brady to the end zone for a touchdown that put Atlanta ahead 21-0 in the first half…
      Inevitably a collector’s item, the erroneous conclusion proves the danger of declaring any sporting event to be over before it is. Even when it seems to be…
      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/06/boston-globe-has-dewey-defeats-truman-moment/
      COMMENTS:
      More proof that news print is dead. #FakeNews…
      Alternative facts…
      The Globe hates Donald Trump more than they like the Patriots. What loons…
      —-

      apparently, it went to the newstands & is selling for up to $100 a copy at eBay, according to comments at freerepublic.

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        one more:

        6 Feb: Boston Herald: Howie Carr: Globe prints fake news in Super Bowl blunder
        There’s fake news and then there’s FAKE NEWS!
        Today’s early edition Boston Globe made a historic blunder with its Super Bowl coverage, running the headline: A BITTER END…
        These fake-news collectors’ items are on sale all over Florida. If you’re reading this in at least some parts of the Sunshine State, you can probably still buy one at your local Publix supermarket. (Not in Palm Beach – my neighbor just bought all five copies for me.)
        Given its squalid past as a purveyor of fake news, the Globe just began a new PR campaign about how “The truth matters.”
        This morning the Globe’s Truth Matters campaign came to … A BITTER END…

        And it’s not about the Patriots, not really…
        No, this was about Donald Trump and Trump Derangement Syndrome.
        The trust-funded about-to-be-laid-off legacy pukes at the Globe despise the president of the United States. And since he’s tight with the Pats’ hierarchy, the Pats’ early deficit last night was giving everybody in the Globe newsroom a rather large … well, you know…
        Same thing happened with the press pool in Florida last night. Trump was watching at one of his golf clubs. When the score got to be 28-3 or thereabouts, he decided to head back to Mar-a-Lago and the pool reporters couldn’t stop laughing.
        You could read between the lines: Trump the fair-weather fan, front-runner, etc. etc.
        One of the tax-cheats at MSNBC was tweeting out his glee, like Bill Maher dropping the f-bombs on Friday night and that fool on SNL…

        How dare Brady have that MAGA hat in his locker last year! How dare Bill Belichick write that election-eve letter to Trump that he read at the rally in Manchester! How dare Bob Kraft go to the inauguration.
        Trump drives the Globe – and most of the rest of the alt-left media – to absolute flat-out distraction. The last time the fake-news Globe got caught this bad was April, when they ran their “satirical” front page about Trump’s election, which of course they knew could never, ever happen, not in a million years…
        In New England anyway, it’s the sports equivalent of “Dewey Beats Truman.”
        Thirty years from now, when the Globe has gone to fake-news heaven with Rolling Stone and “60 Minutes,” people will still recall A BITTER END…
        What little remained of the Globe’s credibility has come to, dare I say it, an end.
        A BITTER END.
        http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2017/02/howie_carr_globe_prints_fake_news_in_super_bowl_blunder

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    You have to see this

    “The US president’s behaviour was comparable to the manipulation of science by the Soviet Union”

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/feb/06/australias-chief-scientist-compares-trump-to-stalin-over-climate-censorship

    The chutzpah. The irony. The pot kettle black.

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