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Trump moves hands on Doomsday clock for the EPA and the Paris Climate Agreement

James Delingpole dropped in at the GWPF press conference where Myron Ebell says Trump will pull the US out of the Paris agreement and says “I’ve just watched the London liberal media’s heads exploding like ripe watermelons.”.

They hated it. (Especially the bit where Ebell told them that Trump would definitely be pulling the U.S. out of the Paris climate treaty) They couldn’t believe what they were hearing. They curled their lips. They laced their questions with the bitterest scorn. But they didn’t really tune into Ebell’s measured, silken, soft-spoken answers because, hell, they knew what he was saying just had to be wrong and they didn’t really understand what he meant anyway.

The reporter who set the tone – and if nothing else, you’ve got to admire his honesty – was the one from Channel 4 News who told Ebell: “It will occur to you that this room is full of people like myself who consider that nothing you say has any basis in fact. So what you’ve been telling us is essentially meaningless.”

Ebell replied with some painful home truths. “Elections are surprising things…” he began and went on to explain to the mystified audience why and how it was that Brexit happened and Trump happened.

Basically, he argued – perhaps channelling Michael Gove – people have had enough of the “Expertariat”. And with good reason: “The expert class is full of arrogance and hubris.” — Breitbart

There is a meltdown at the EPA:

“Looks like the EPA may need its own doomsday clock, because its time of promoting dubious science to back up a political agenda is running out.” — Julie Kelly, National Review

A key advisor Myron Ebell brings the bad news to a room full of believers.  The GWPF ran a press conference with Myron Ebell, head of Trumps transition team on the EPA:

US president Donald Trump will honour his campaign pledge to pull the US out of the Paris climate agreement and defund UN climate programmes says Ebell

Argus Media:

Ebell expects Trump “to be very assiduous in keeping his promises despite all the flack he is going to get from his opponents,” adding that he brings a “message of hope” in terms of the new administration’s energy and environment policy.

The first hopeful aspect is that the US will clearly change course on climate policy, Ebell said. Secondly, the new US president has undertaken to unleash US energy production growth. Trump said he wants to make the US the world’s largest energy producer and achieve a position of global dominance for the country, he said.

This will help the US and hurt the middle east and Russia:

“This is obviously good for the US, but also for the world because in becoming the top global energy supplier the US will reduce the influence of certain countries in the Middle East and of Russia,” Ebell said. “This is going to happen because the US has the world’s largest fossil fuel reserves — by far the largest coal reserves and also, because of the shale revolution, gigantic fields of natural gas and oil.”

Three ways to get the US out of the Paris deal:

1. Cut the funds:

…the president can simply stop any US financial contributions to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC). In any event, all US funding to the UNFCCC, including to the Green Climate Fund, represents a violation of US law ever since Palestine — which is not internationally recognised as a legitimate state — was accepted as a UNFCCC member, Ebell argued.

2.Congress can reject a treaty that was illegally passed by executive order:

Trump can have the US Congress reject the Paris agreement on the basis that legally it is a treaty and does not qualify as an executive presidential order. He can also withdraw the US from the UNFCCC altogether, which according to Ebell would be “the cleanest way” as it would absolve the US from any commitments, financial or otherwise, under the UNFCCC and the Paris climate deal.

3. Fix the laws based on bad science and get rid of the EPA Endangerment finding on CO2. In 2009 the Supreme Court ruled that  greenhouse gases were a threat to public health ie “pollution“. The Supreme Court finding is scientifically wrong because the hot spot does not exist, and the cause-and-effect correlation of CO2 emissions on global temperatures is lousy. (See the long report there for the details).

 The science-industry is up in arms that someone could try to stop junk-science:

The Union of Concerned Scientists called the Trump administration’s move “an attack on scientific integrity,” and the group’s president sent a letter to U.S. senators claiming that “freezing grants and contracts would almost certainly increase health risks for children and other vulnerable people in our country.” The group has also set up a hotline so federal scientists can anonymously tattle on their new bosses.
Scientists feel so threatened by the Trump administration that some are planning a protest this spring modeled after the Women’s March on January 21.
The agency’s junk-science promoters are flipping out. In his recently released and timely book, Scare Pollution: Why and How to Fix the EPA, author Steve Milloy says this about the Environmental Protection Agency:
The EPA has over the course of the last 20 years marshaled its vast and virtually unchallenged power into an echo chamber of deceptive science, runaway regulations and fatally flawed research derived from unethical human experiments. The EPA’s conduct runs the gamut from subtle statistical shenanigans to withholding key scientific data, from seeking to rubberstamp baseless research data to illegally spraying diesel exhaust up the noses of unsuspecting children and other vulnerable populations.

Milloy who runs Junkscience.com is thrilled:

“I can think of no agency that has done more pointless harm to the U.S. economy than the EPA — all based on junk science, if not out-and-out science fraud.”

Article from Julie Kelly, National Review

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315 comments to Trump moves hands on Doomsday clock for the EPA and the Paris Climate Agreement

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    AndyG55

    I will leave my cheering until these things actually happen.

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      RobK

      Yes, so far so good. Not there yet but a commendable effort to date.

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        el gordo

        The man means what he said, Trump will purge the EPA of shonks and wasters.

        Turnbull’s speech today elevates him to the status of yesterday’s man, time for a coup.

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          scaper...

          Turnbull and his ‘liberals’ are dead to me.

          Writing policy. Energy and the environment. I have devised a policy to ensure Qld becomes the energy capitol of Australia. Involves building coal fired power stations that will cost the people nothing. No need for renewable energy.

          The environment policy has nothing to do with the weather or CO2. CO2 is not a problem.

          A heads up…Malcolm Roberts will be appearing on Paul Murray Live, as a panelist tomorrow night. Will be on every second Thursday. Should be a hoot.

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            el gordo

            ‘Should be a hoot.’

            Be careful what you wish for.

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                el gordo

                Hoots of derision from the leftoids.

                No doubt Malcolm Roberts has been in touch with Washington and is ready for battle. Hopefully he won’t shoot himself in the foot and follows the lukewarm script.

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                scaper...

                Hoot means fun or funny to me.

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                el gordo

                HOOT

                ‘Someone that does something funny, or does something out of the ordinary, and then is commented to or about with the entry. The results may be viewed as being anything from wierd to hilarious.’

                Urban Dictionary

                ———

                The leftoids are salivating, don’t give them a chance to say he’s as crazy as the President of the USA.

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            Glen Michel

            I hope he keeps his “empiricals” in check.He is liable to use that term- in conjunction with “evidence” far too often. Nonetheless,good luck to him.We need to keep chipping away until this fiasco falls.

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            Gary Meyers

            Let me ask a question here about politics in Australia. How much longer will Turnbull be in charge? Are there any “Trumpian” candidates in the pipeline? Is there no one to stop this insanity?

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              FarmerDoug2

              Our trouble is the PM is elected by a political party. ..so he has to be a “politian”.

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                FarmerDoug2 February 3, 2017 at 4:28 pm

                “Our trouble is the PM is elected by a political party. ..so he has to be a “politian”.”

                In the US the President is elected by the ‘electorate’ of a ‘republic’ (states). Most confusing, but some attempt to establish some ‘government’ at the lowest possible level. Local folk, willing to discipline children, and others that truly need the s**t slapped out of them. More ‘organized government’ is allowed but always worrisome! Seems like most politicians forget that individual earthlings remain this Earth’s most ‘vicious’ top predator bar none. The manly virtues!!

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      OriginalSteve

      Another thing to cheer about….
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-01/turnbull-to-invest-in-energy-security-and-free-trade/8229782

      Soemtimes I still cant believe people would deliberately try and crash the West and our standard of living…..

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        Environment Skeptic

        From: https://www.accredited-times.com/2016/09/20/climate-change-the-greatest-threat-to-national-security/
        Scientists have been sounding from the rooftops for decades now that climate change threatens the very existence of our species, and yet little to nothing has been done to mitigate this looming catastrophe. Billions of tons of carbon dioxide are emitted into the atmosphere each year as a result of our careless burning of fossil fuels, and global population growth shows no signs of slowing down. Right wing demagogues constantly tell us that ISIS, the national debt and nuclear war are primary security threats, while ignoring the greatest threat mankind has ever faced: climate change.’

        And this from: https://www.accredited-times.com/2016/10/27/a-world-without-climate-change/
        Scientists now have realistic computer models that can accurately simulate the climate under any scenario, and what these models demonstrate is that without anthropogenic greenhouse gasses, the climate would remain remarkably stable and hospitable to human life and endangered habitats. The models show that global temperatures are unlikely to change much, if at all without human intervention, and the incidents of a range of natural disasters, including hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, droughts, volcanoes and earthquakes are all likely to fall drastically. The global scientific community agrees that the current climate is perfect the way it is, and any change induced by humans would destabilize the planet and cause chaos throughout the world.

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          Environment Skeptic

          I want to empathise this…….. “can accurately simulate the climate under any scenario, and what these models demonstrate is that without anthropogenic greenhouse gasses, the climate would remain remarkably stable and hospitable to human life and endangered habitats.”

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            Phillip Bratby

            You can emphasise (or even empathise) whatever you want, but it is still a load of nonsense. Ebell showed the graph demonstrating how useless the computer models are. Or didn’t you watch the video?

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              Environment Skeptic

              Clearly you do not understand that climate change actually increases deforestation, the emission of molecules other than CO2 into the environment, extinction of past and present species, ISIS, nuclear war. Almost all these things are the result of climate change caused by humans..

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                Environment Skeptic

                Climate change is the cause of so many things that climate scientists are already proving even while i write this. Climate scientist’s are more passionate than any other branch of science when it comes to getting the message out there. Even more passionate than biologists.
                Nobody listens to me..darn.

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                Hivemind

                That’s because you forgot the [/sarc] tag.

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                Mari C

                ES, maybe one day you will go outside and see the death and destruction that your preferred policies are actually wreaking. The mines in China, the dead birds and bats (and probably the insects they feed on), the acres of land taken out of use for all but wind and solar power factories (no longer will I call those abominations “farms” as they only feed the pockets of rich and connected industrialists while – in the favorite lament of the greenie libs – children starve! (animals too)) and so on.

                There never was, and never will be, a thing such as “stable climate” and I pray to all the godz, beings, powers and whatever else I can that there never is – as I am sure that, at the point the climate ceases to change, the planet shall die.

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                GoFigure

                @environment skeptic “climate change is the cause of so many things”

                Yup, including ice ages.

                Climate change activists are more “passionate” because (1) they’re feeding at the government trough, or (2) protecting their previous stupid claims by digging a deeper hole or (3) attracted to the “one world” UN concept.

                The computer models continue to ASSUME that water vapor is the actual culprit, generating 2 to 3 times the temperature increase as supposedly brought on by an increase in co2 level. Nobody seems to even know whether the net result of water vapor feedback is positive or negative.

                The models cannot explain how the Medieval Warming Period was global and at least as warm as now. oops. They claim it’s not global because it doesn’t show multi-decadel warming. But wait…. what about those 6,000 boreholes which show multi-decadel warming ? And if that “multi-decadel” claim even held up, what about the recent coolings (1940s to 1975) and the past 18 years of no statistically significant additional warming? Doesn’t sound to me as if even our current situation qualifies as “multi-decadel”.

                Looks as if we’re going to have to wait, at least for four more years, to see whether our climate reveals its intentions.

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              KinkyKeith

              Sorry, thanks for the correction. I thought he was being sarcastic in highlighting stupidity of the media.

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                ian hilliar

                No, he is highlighting his own stupidity. His links are to two satirical articles penned by “miiliondollarbonus”. in “accredited times” a satirical site dedicated to showing how left whingers think, or rather, fail to think while parroting their catechisms

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                AndyG55

                I tried to read some of the comments.

                I’m pretty sure many of the commenters don’t realise its meant to be satire, and are actually far-left twerps getting sucked into the game.

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                Greg Cavanagh

                I had to read a couple of their articles to confirm the site was a parody.
                Then I read the comments, and it’s very obvious that the members know it :)

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              Crakar24

              A guy told me today anything can be considered pollution in high numbers his example was too much oxygen can make the atmosphere super combustible. You need to try if you want to be crowned village nincompoop

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                el gordo

                Its the corrosive nature of oxygen which is killing us, but obviously its part of the mix for our survival.

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            el gordo

            ES do you own those words, or are you just pulling our leg?

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              Environment Skeptic

              I guess the thing i am saying is that climate scientists are more passionate about life than biological scientist’s which is why biological scientists can’t be bothered making a fuss about the current extinction caused by deforestation and the like..

              I continue to remain sceptical about those that want to look after the environment by talking about the weather.

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                James Bradley

                I’m with you, ES.

                I think you’re nailing it accurately.

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                stan stendera

                ES, do you really believe and of the drivel you write. Are you aware(One wonders if you are capable of being aware) that sub Saharan Africa is greening because of more CO2. How ignorant are you???

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            KinkyKeith

            You are sadly mistaken and seriously undereducated if you think climate models are real.

            The only thing they Model is the extent of human stupidity and deceitfulness.

            Don’t believe everything that you read in the papers.

            Take a look at the Myron Ebell interview above. There is a British journalist with three buttons on his left shoulder; this guy is the epitome of the anxious fluttering type of interview that comes with a lack of subject preparation and an excess of confidence in the climate change religion.

            In contrast, Mr Ebell dealt in clearly stated facts.

            KK

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              Environment Skeptic

              He was really a bit slow. If he wanted to talk about the environment, he could have raised the example of how the Amazon rainforest is largely gone due to reasons that have nothing to do with climate change.

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                Environment Skeptic

                And i do mean “slow”
                The current (happening right now) extinction has nothing to do with climate change..

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                Environment Skeptic

                EPA (Environmental Pause Association) Lets just wait and see while the rest of our native forests and biologically diverse regions of the world get logged out and cleared and talk about protecting the weather in the meantime.

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                Radical Rodent

                This should be easy for you, Environment Skeptic: give an example of ONE species that has recently become extinct through climate change.

                Now, just to make it a bit more difficult: give some evidence that the present climate is changing dangerously.

                And, to notch up the difficulty: provide some evidence that what slight changes we have seen in climates is solely caused by CO2.

                Finally: provide some evidence that the increase in CO2 is solely due to human consumption of fossil fuels.

                Please note: empirical evidence is required; merely stating that it is so, or that it must be so ‘cos scientists say it is so do not count.

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                KinkyKeith

                ES

                You need to talk to China, they have just about “logged out” Tibet.

                Areas of New Guinea have suffered the same fate; human greed taking the easiest pickings, the acts of despots and tyrants whom the U.N. can’t be bothered to control.

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                James Bradley

                One battle at a time, ES.

                The entire EPA needs dismantling in order to get back to it’s core business.

                Ebell is in the process of dismantling first before it is set back on track of actually protecting the environment and not chasing ‘toxic’ labels for harmless trace gasses or pursuing farmers for legitimate use of their own land.

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                AndyG55

                James, Ebell is not in the process of dismantling anything.

                He is not part of the Trump administration, he is not in a position to do anything.

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                James Bradley

                Andy,

                Bit shortsighted.

                Ebell’s press conference was all about dismantling the EPA by removing the basis of it’s climate involvement.

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                AndyG55

                Yes, but it was about what he thinks Trump will do.

                He has no actual say in it, and he made that clear right from the start..

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                James Bradley

                Do you really think Trump would let Ebell do an important policy presser without Bannon writing the script?

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                MudCrab

                Wait a moment, a few posts above you were talking about how Climate Change causes deforestation.

                Now you are “the Amazon rainforest is largely gone due to reasons that have nothing to do with climate change”.

                This is what is known in fiction writing as a ‘continuity error’ and can really throw your readers out of the story.

                You really need to be careful with these little plot details.

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              KK,
              Your avatar is similar to that of ‘Environment Skeptic’. We all must adapt or die. ‘Darth Vader’ would be appropriate. or even ‘Princess Leia’ would be nice!

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                KinkyKeith

                I have to admit Will that it is fairly unattractive but I like to focus on the important things like communicating what little expertise I have and receiving same from others on this blog who take the time to think and write.

                KK

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            Venus has 2400 times the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide as Earth, with no effect on its temperatures (the Venus/Earth temperature ratio, 1.176, at any given pressure over the full range of Earth tropospheric pressures, is essentially fully explained by their different distances from the Sun and nothing else–no greenhouse effect at all).

            The century-plus old Standard Atmosphere model (which is what I compared to Venus’s profile) truly represents the equilibrium state of Earth’s troposphere. It is indeed “remarkably stable”, due not at all to any constituent of the atmosphere, such as carbon dioxide, but to the basic physics of the hydrostatic condition (that the pressure at any given level in the atmosphere is just the weight of the atmosphere above that level–how easy is that?)

            There IS no valid global climate science, and there are no competent climate scientists, else they would not all have turned their backs on the confirmed Standard Atmosphere and the simple hydrostatic condition that rules the global mean surface temperature.

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              I agree there is nothing scientific about the disgraced ‘climate science’. However you write:
              “(that the pressure at any given level in the atmosphere is just the weight of the atmosphere above that level–how easy is that?)”

              Just like most meteorology; simple, straightforward, and wrong!! Are you claiming a one square inch column of ‘compressible’ atmosphere at sea level ‘weighs’ 14.7 US pounds, or has a mass of 6.68 Kg? Can you show your calculations of converting a vector (weight) to a scalar (pressure)?

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                KinkyKeith

                Will

                Can you write a bit more on that point?

                What’s the issue you are trying to highlight.

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                “Will, Can you write a bit more on that point? What’s the issue you are trying to highlight.”

                Unlike water; the atmosphere is compressible! This means the normal plane gets smashed on by moving air molecules from all angles from normal (hemisphere). This would make ‘pressure’ PI times the columnar (mg). This makes little difference except where you calculate air-mass momentum, for continuum mechanics, or the mass ratio of airborne column water to air-mass. Some silly engineers, not skyntists, think this is important to learning\understanding this atmosphere.
                All the best! -will-

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                KinkyKeith

                Thanks Will,

                I can appreciate that the atmosphere moves horizontally as a result of lowered pressure in the region the air is moving towards.

                In most cases that’s towards the rising or setting Sun.

                Are you concerned about the change in density of that moving air?

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                “Are you concerned about the change in density of that moving air?”

                Not really; vertically this is is compensated by the corresponding change of pressure and temperature. Pressure\temperature in any gas is caused by Brownian motion. The ‘incoherent’ change in individual molecular momentum Δ(mv) Collision = 2mv. Between collisions there is no pressure and no temperature. Having air mass off by a factor of three converts any global model into terlit water.
                OTOH ‘eastward coherent momentum’ air-mass 500 meters high by ± 6° latitude (equator); times 1000 MPH (447m/s). This supplies the power for all ‘wind’ (wind power), in every direction. You can separate this tangential momentum into radial and angular components for consideration. This ‘wind’ in the fluid continuum ‘creates’ the low surface pressure at 0 and 60° latitude (up) and high surface pressure at 30 and 90° latitude (down). These locations are much modified by asymmetrical insolation and lunar tides.

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            Graeme No.3

            I assume that you are familiar with John von Neuman (mathematician and early computer pioneer) who when someone claimed they could solve a problem using 4 degrees of freedom, retorted
            “With 4 degrees of freedom I could draw an elephant, and with 5 I could make him wiggle his trunk”.

            Try E.M.Smith (40 years programming experience) examining the NASA computer model for the climate. His conclusion that it was ‘elephants playing Mozart while dancing’. Don’t worry about the Fortran code, just read the article and comments.

            https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2017/01/18/gcm-modele-elephants-playing-mozart/

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          “Scientists now have realistic computer models that can accurately simulate the climate under any scenario, and what these models demonstrate is that without anthropogenic greenhouse gasses, the climate would remain remarkably stable and hospitable to human life and endangered habitats.”

          And your evidence for such bold claims is where? So far no model can come anywhere near simulating the atmosphere of this Earth! The only “realistic” is completely disjoint from Gavin’s playstation-64!

          “The models show that global temperatures are unlikely to change much, if at all without human intervention, and the incidents of a range of natural disasters, including hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, droughts, volcanoes and earthquakes are all likely to fall drastically.”

          So who should ever care what your obscenely incorrect models may possibly show?

          “The global scientific community agrees that the current climate is perfect the way it is, and any change induced by humans would destabilize the planet and cause chaos throughout the world.”

          That can only indicate that your ‘global scientific community’ is more grossly incompetent than the designers of your obscenely incorrect models!

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            GoFigure

            If they’ve actually revised their models to be more accurate they must have thrown out the assumption about water vapor feedback. That leaves little old co2 to do the heavy lifting, but we already know that its capability to influence warming diminishes as it increases, and it’s apparently already at a point where it has, basically, already shot most of its wad.

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          GD

          Hillarious post, ES, as are the sites you’ve linked to. :)

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            Environment Skeptic

            Thanks GD

            The Accredited Times Is one of the few news sites with news that is actually accredited and therefore can be trusted even if saying so has meant being given so many red thumbs.

            I must move on from there and hope that the experience has made me stronger.

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              Rod Stuart

              Accredited by whom? Mickey Mann? Time Flannelpants? Weepy Bill?
              Accredited propaganda is all it is.

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              AndyG55

              ES, You really must learn to use the /sarc tag.

              Someone might think you are being serious !!

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              AndyG55

              ps, es.. you do know that site is meant to be total satire… don’t you ?

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                Environment Skeptic

                Couldn’t be as satirical, even using the most powerful satire detecting apparatus, as a bunch of environmentalists casting aside species destruction, land clearing, habitat destruction, poison getting into rivers, and on and on, in order only to atomize saliva about the now great rarity of certain distinct cloud formations.

                I guess atomised saliva is like an expression of the contemporary environmental narcissistic muse, being the clouds that the atomised saliva seem to mirror, like the reflection in the water that the mythical narcissus stared into, as if something about themselves.

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                KinkyKeith

                ES

                That’s very poetic but for satire, or sarcasm, to be effective you need to inject something in your writing to clarify your intent.
                At the moment all you are doing is making us uncertain and uncomfortable because we aren’t sure what’s going on.

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                KK

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                Environment Skeptic

                Fear not The Accredited Times.I even highlighted the most important part and will again…….

                The global scientific community agrees that the current climate is perfect the way it is, and any change induced by humans would destabilize the planet and cause chaos throughout the world.

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                GD

                Fear not The Accredited Times.I even highlighted the most important part and will again…….
                “The global scientific community agrees that the current climate is perfect the way it is, and any change induced by humans would destabilize the planet and cause chaos throughout the world.“

                ES, if your intent was satire, that was a rather ham-fisted way to go about it, not to mention confusing and humourless. Nevertheless, keep working on it. We may get a laugh eventually. I do, however, agree with your later post that said you’d prefer the MWP. After last winter in Victoria and our current mild summer, I would welcome some warming.

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                I got it straight away… the tone and context were sufficient to make the /sarc tag redundant. Also it tags the readers who can’t see it and who react in predictable ways as they are the ones who have little idea of what scepticism is. It is not a belief system.

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              Radical Rodent

              Environment Skeptic: and if the change is NOT induced by humans, does that make it okay? Or can you not consider that there could be any change without human influence?

              And, what is the logic that today’s climate is THE perfect climate? Admittedly, it is better than it was during the Little Ice Age, but is it as good as it was during the Mediæval Warm Period, or the Roman Warm Period?

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                Environment Skeptic

                That’s a good point Radical Rodent.

                It is possible the author of those accredited articles in The Accredited Times was not aware of the Medieval Warm period and the Roman Warm Period when it was being written.

                All this paranoia and fear about being able to control the climate is preventing us from directly taking control and inducing the climate to more closely resemble, if it were my choice, The Medieval Warm Period.

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                Environment Skeptic

                Clearly we could not just go by my own personal preference, The Medieval Warm Period, as that might be a bit shellfish..

                Scientist’s agree that Russia is cold.
                The climate intelligence in that region would be trending towards achieving another Roman Warm Period, especially after all these years.

                It is of so little wonder that the those on the geographical region of Russia are employing hackers to usurp anthropogenic climate controls in place to make the climate colder when it is clear they want something more closely resembling the Roman Warm Period.

                The Russians may have Vodka to keep warm, but in reality all they may really want is beer on a hot day.

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                Environment Skeptic

                There are some non accredited news sources that Trump is working with Russia. Even if the news sources are not accredited, there may still be some merit to the idea that dismantling the EPA would benefit Russia so that the region can have a warmer climate. Perhaps they will call it The Russian Warm Period (TRWP). Putin would go down in history as being the first leader ever to have achieved total anthropogenic climate domination.

                You control the climate, you control everything.

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                Radical Rodent

                Environment Skeptic: just to confirm – you truly believe that humans might be able to control the climates?

                And yet… just go to the thread following this one, about the lava stream in Hawaii – surely, if we were able to control the vast complexity of global climate, then, surely, the mere mechanics of a bit of liquid hot rock should be a doddle. But, then again, perhaps you think that we are able to stop and start volcanoes at our whim… who knows? Please enlighten us.

                However, there does remain the inescapable suspicion that you are just stringing us along, on a long mickey-take.

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                KinkyKeith

                RR

                If he is “stringing us” it isn’t being done with a lot of skill.

                Just blunt instrument type stuff.

                What’s the point?

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                Annie

                Not much point with a blunt instrument methinks!

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              Environment Skeptic February 2, 2017 at 10:05 pm

              “Couldn’t be as satirical, even using the most powerful satire detecting apparatus, as a bunch of environmentalists casting aside species destruction…”

              ES, Good point!

              “I must move on from there and hope that the experience has made me stronger.”

              Yes indeed many skeptics here ‘thought’ you were serious; hence da red thumbz! Brad Keys mixes his satire with humor, a deadly combination that confuses ‘everyone’!

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                KinkyKeith

                I think we all saw that “good point” Will but the rest of this “feast” was just very unsubtle.

                Everyone was confused because what was written lacked an essential ingredient.

                KK

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                “Everyone was confused because what was written lacked an essential ingredient.”

                The RED/GREEN at joanne’s was inverted for a bit!
                Hell; ES may ‘be’ Brad Keys, trying knew stuff!

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          ian hilliar

          I believe you are too dull to recognize sarcasm when you see it, E.S. The two articles you linked to were written by “million dollar bonus” on a right wing satirical site. You must be very far to the left, to have such a poorly developed sense of humour…..

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      gnome

      I’m finding it a little hard to interpret the red thumb you got for that.
      Perhaps xhe wants you to cheer now?

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      scaper...

      I reckon Trump will keep his promise. Can’t see this federal government doing same.

      Oh well, there’s always the QLD election. One Nation is out polling the Greens, three to one and wouldn’t be surprised if it gets close to Labor. A lot of people are keeping their voting intentions quiet.

      If the LNP want to be in government with the support of One Nation, guess what will be the demand? Hehehehehe

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        Graham Richards

        Turnbull is currently up to his old “fence sitting” tricks. The Don is going one way & he not knowing what to do lest he give away his true intentions throws in a small red herring to appear to be in control.
        Oh if only he could arrange an ETS or Carbon Tax.
        His Goldman Sachs mates would be ecstatic & possibly arrange N Aussie of the Year Award.

        Over my dead body mate! There are two meanings to the meme “We Shall Remember Them”
        Just wait for the elections, Qld, Federal, bring it on.

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          James Bradley

          I can’t believe that when the wind changed last federal election, then strengthened with Brexit and again with Trump – Turnbull still manages to flounder about looking for the right sails.

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            Percy Phelps

            Turnbull is just trying to create a position from whence he can launch his overwhelmingly main agenda. We all know what that is. He couldn’t care less about anything else unless it helps get him to that goal.

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            AndyG55

            “I can’t believe that when the wind changed last federal election, then strengthened with Brexit and again with Trump – Turnbull still manages to flounder about looking for the right sails.”

            I can. Its all he ever does.

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              joseph

              And just maybe it has something to do with the fact that the Trump administration isn’t exactly Goldman Sachs deficient . . . . . .

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            Raven

            James Bradley,

            Yes, that’s the part I don’t get either. He just doesn’t seem to sniff the wind. John Howard was the master and Bob Hawke was pretty good, too.

            If Malcolm knew anything about sailing, he’d adjust course, throw up a spinnaker and the following sea would take him home.
            That would also not damage the boat.

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            James Bradley

            Since his less than favourable response from Trump during Turnbull’s phone call… Turnbull has missed the boat completely.

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              Raven

              Hehe . . but have we got any evidence of that phone call?
              You know . . other than the unnamed White House source.

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                Analitik

                Given that the ABC devoted a lot of air time to the story both in the news and the 7:30 report, I’d take the story as confirmed.

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              Robert Rosicka

              James if I read between the lines like the presstitutes have , Donald clearly asks Turdball if his house has a white picket fence and if it does it looks stupid .
              He also recites Shakespeare and word perfect as well !
              And expresses dismay at the price of doughnuts in New Zealand , you can really learn a lot if you just look between the lines .

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              Raven

              Thanks James,

              I should have investigated further.
              This is going to be yet another bun fight . . popcorn at the ready.

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              James Bradley

              Turnbull jumped on the ABC bandwagon before the US elections to curry favour with the Clintons when they all thought Trump had no chance.

              Turnbull’s disparaging comments were duly noted by Trump and his advisers, in particular – Bannon.

              Turnbull is well up on Trump’s $hit list.

              As well the weak **** should be.

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        el gordo

        ‘Can’t see this federal government doing same.’

        Trump is a populist revolutionary and Turnbull is still talking green blob stuff, he lacks vision.

        Didn’t Tony Abbott purge the CSIRO ?

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      “I will leave my cheering until these things actually happen.”

      Andy,
      You already understand enough to contribute much to such things happening! You know (nothing), yet have way way more knowledge that all of Trump’s advisers combined! Oh whoa are we!

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      Roy Hogue

      I will leave my cheering until these things actually happen.

      Donald Trump… …what is he, genius or fool? I think we’re finding out that answer. So far things are moving apace and in the right direction and I find myself suddenly willing to give up most of my objections to him. Never thought you’d hear me say that, did you?

      As for the Doomsday Clock, it’s a jackass idea by a bunch of jackasses with no faith in humanity. But I’m glad to see the idea put to good use. There’s no more eligible government entity to which to apply it than the EPA.

      And Trump is moving faster than any president I’ve ever seen to do exactly what he promised to do when he campaigned. Do you know how unique that is in American history?

      Sacred cows and apple carts are falling left and right. About time too.

      So Andy, I understand your skepticism but I think you’ll not have long to wait.

      And to those seemingly endless thousands (millions?) of complainers who don’t like Donald Trump, enjoy your trouble because you worked hard to get him elected. I think you’re afraid of the man for good reason. Unfortunately for you, he is not afraid of you. And I’m smiling and laughing more than I’ve ever smiled or laughed over politics in my life up until now.

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        PhilJourdan

        Roy,

        I said at the beginning I had very low expectations of Trump (versus no good expectations of Hillary). And those were met long ago. But I am being won over as a full supporter as well with what he has been doing.

        ONe thing that seems to have subsided is his tweeting. I think he is now down to business and does not have time for it. Trump knows how to have fun, but he knows how to get a job done as well. That much he has proven.

        It is refreshing to have a real person in the office.

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          Roy Hogue

          Phil,

          About the tweeting, I’m not sure how this works but there are apparently some restrictions because all the official communication from the president have to be captured and recorded. I don’t know how this affects his tweeting but it may. In any case, I think he has better means of communication if he wants to say something.

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            Roy Hogue

            The one thing I saw from the beginning is that Trump was talking about the real problems we have and how we might solve them. But I never figured how he could get elected. I think the heartland of America was ready for a street fighter and I wasn’t.

            In any case, he’s here and working right on track. How history will regard him is something you and I will probably never live to see. But for now, Trump is king of the mountain.

            His big mouth may hurt in some things but he’s good at paying attention to making a relationship a win-win situation.

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              Roy Hogue

              I’d love to know what he told Iran, you know, the part that’s not going to be published.

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                PhilJourdan

                When Trump wants us to know, we will know. Just like the calls to Nieto and Turnbull. I would bet that the fake news has him laughing at the joke. But no one would know anything unless Trump wants us to. He knows how to play his cards close to his vest.

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        AndyG55

        “So Andy, I understand your skepticism but I think you’ll not have long to wait.”

        Its politics.. ALWAYS wait and see what happens !!

        We are all sceptics here.. are we not ??????

        Wait for the empirical proof.

        And yes, I really hope that Trump will follow through with all he said he will do.

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      Gordon

      GO TRUMP GO!
      GO TRUMP GO!
      GO TRUMP GO!

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      stan stendera

      Start cheering because I can tell you on very, very good authority that President Trump (How I love writing that phrase) will savage the corrupt EPA. Watch, just watch.

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      Albert

      Soon the rats will be running off the ship

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      Albert

      Another gravy train coming to a screeching halt

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      Tony Porter

      I will leave my cheering until these things actually happen.

      Well I think you can start cheering now…

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        Mark D.

        Tony Porter thanks for that link! As usual the media is silent.

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        Undoing lots that should have not been done! Perhaps a bit over the top, but anything reversed can be reversed again. Did not someone warn of ‘entanglements’?
        However removing UN headquarters and NASA Goddard from NYC to Greenland, I can truly support

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    Popeye26

    Currently on holidays in California and witnessing much hypocritical action in regard to energy production etc – the “greenest” state in the USA – sarc.

    Interesting how the phone companies “disguise” their mobile phone transmission towers by making them look like very large pine trees.

    BUT

    They then install HUNDREDS of windmills on the side and across the tops of what once were beautiful and pristine mountain ranges in their mistaken belief this will save the planet – BRICKS FOR BRAINS I SAY!!

    “Gas” in California currently around $2.59 to $2.89 USD per gallon and there are thousands of BIG Dodge Ram, Ford F150+ and GMC Sierra utes on the roads so it looks like the general public is’t too concerned about CO2 emissions even if the lousy California government is.

    Cheers,

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      Roy Hogue

      Popeye,

      Enjoy the Golden State while you cane because we’re working as fast as possible to make it the junkyard of America.

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    I never really believed that I’d see this happen in my lifetime. Oh to see it happen in Australia.

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    Graeme

    Definitely worth sitting down for an hour and watching Myron Ebell at work. He quietly and efficiently did an excellent job. Some of the audience were rude cretins however – in the end Myron just ignored them. Would love to see him come to Australia and talk to the Government.

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      KinkyKeith

      Watched the first 29 minutes and will go back to it later.

      Myron Ebell is very impressive.

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        Yonniestone

        I found myself actually laughing out loud, Myron Ebell may be the nicest assassin ever witnessed, more winning. :)

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          Indeed! Even when engaged in that, that would completely enrage anyone else, he responds politely with “f**k you very much!”

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          Raven

          “Everybody, looked at from some perspective, is a special interest.
          The Climate Industrial Complex is a giant special interest supported by taxpayer dollars.”

          ~Myron Ebell

          I’ll have to remember that one – “Climate Industrial Complex”
          Myron Ebell also said he couldn’t make it to Marrakech because he got this job in the transition team.

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            Mjw

            Why do the climate types who want to lower the worlds temperature always have their conferences in the warmer climates?

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      Phillip Bratby

      I agree. I watched it all (I found it a bit difficult to hear everything) and my wife is part way through watching it. The best bit was the faces of Cardinal Harrabin of the BBC and Tom Clarke of Channel 4 News, who are both arrogant and ignorant alarmists of the worst kind.

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    Raven

    I read the Julie Kelly piece.
    It contains this link to the EPA’s nearly $6.4 billion in outstanding contractual obligations

    The EPA outstanding contracts list is broken down into a number of categories, one of which is “Vendor Type”.
    On the first few pages (out of 378) there are about ~50 contracts where the “Vendor Type” is listed as:

    Small
    Minority Owned
    SDB
    Woman Owned

    My question is: What on earth has “Woman Owned” got to do with anything?
    Since when is the gender of ownership a notable attribute?

    Perhaps this is in line with the UN (including the IPCC) where appointees are deliberately and openly chosen with nationality or gender as a prerequisite consideration in order to be . . well, I dunno . . fair?

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      OriginalSteve

      The Left is by its nature, destructive.

      It applies labels so it can use them as leverage to break up and destroy, divide and conquer.

      Take away the labels, take away PC, the Left becomes just the odious, early morning break of wind that it truly is…..better out than in I say….. :-)

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      dithotx

      Heh.

      In the US, quotas are important. Some groups are more equal than others.

      In theory, all things being equal, minorities and women “go the front of the queue” as the last president would explain. But things are never equal in the sense that some bureaucrat will always have a thumb on the scale.

      This is not to disparage any talent, many women I know are more intelligent than I. Rather it’s the rule enforcement morass caused by the endless multitude of agencies.

      We need a good flush of some agencies. A WallStreetJournal article touched on some actions that may be in the future…

      Quite a column from @KimStrassel via @WSJ
      The powerful use of CRA.
      http://archive.is/om03f

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      John F. Hultquist

      The US has lots of programs with initials such as:
      Women-Owned Small Businesses (WOSB)
      Economically Disadvantaged WOSBs (EDWOSBs)

      Search and read.
      “fair?”
      In the USA reverse discrimination is the law of the land.

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        Fantail

        Anyone who can navigate the paperwork just to get on the list of those “preferred” companies needs a medal of their own.

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        Raven

        Well, there ya go . .
        In Oz, we dallied with ‘positive discrimination’ many years ago but soon came to realise that discrimination is still discrimination whether man made or natural.

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      Russ Wood

      Re “woman owned” – ESKOM, the South African electricity monopoly, is constrained by the ANC Government’s “Black Economic Empowerment” regulations to buy coal from (in the following order):
      Mines owned by black women.
      Mines owned by any black people with at least 51% ownership.
      Mines owned by any black people with less than 50% ownership.
      Anybody else (including the older mines right next door to the power station)

      The result is thousands of tonnes of coal being trucked daily through small town centres in the mining districts.
      And this achieves?

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        Graham Richards

        They end up purchasing the lowest grades of coal to appease the regulators only to cause very expensive damage to boilers which have the boiler tubes coated with impurities. So boiler efficiencies drop and toxic emissions increases, not to mention massive maintenance costs.

        It’s hard to believe by their current output, that South Africa, pre 1990, generated more than 70% of all energy on the African continent.

        Oh well that’s history I guess.

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      Mjw

      The SDB got me, the closest and more obvious is Small Disadvantaged Business.
      Is this code for Black or Hispanic?

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    TdeF

    Whether CO2 is pollution, a danger to humanity and causes warming, if mankind cannot even contribute substantially to CO2 levels it is all fantasy. As Myron said, 30% of all CO2 ever output by man was output in the last 30 years and if there was going to be warming, we would have seen it. That disposes instantly of the CO2 produces runaway warming argument. As Jo says, no hot spot, no warming as it is agreed CO2 is not enough.

    At the same time it has yet to be proven and can easily be disproven, that mankind can even increase CO2 levels.

    In the 1950s the consensus among scientists was 10 years half life. “The rate of transfer of CO2, from the atmosphere into the oceans was first discussed in the light of the C14 distribution by REVELLE and SUESS (I957), and independent1 by ARNOLD and ANDERSON (1957). An order of magnitude of about ten years was derived by these authors for the residence time of CO, in the atmosphere before it gets dissolved in the oceans. ”

    Then the Suess effect where only 2% of CO2 was man made. This is not about C13 as Wikipedia argues. It was always C14 and radio carbon dating.

    So how could we in 2017 know so little of what was true peer reviewed science in 1960, 30 years before the IPCC and the issue became a trillion dollar a year industry football? Were they all wrong?

    Finally the bomb tests in 1965 doubling C14 showed a precise half life of 14 years and all the C14 vanished? So no matter how much CO2 we put out, nature controls CO2 levels. Gaia is responsible for CO2 levels and we have no say in the matter. Worship Gaia. Burn her coal, her gift to us.

    There is the joke about the man on top of his house as the floods came.
    A friend offered a lift in his boat but the man said God will save me.
    Then when the water was up to his waist, another friend again again, God will produce a miracle.
    Finally, with the water up to his neck, the man refused a lift from a helicopter. A miracle will come.
    In heaven he confronted God and asked about the miracle. God said he sent two boats and a helicopter.

    Use the coal.

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    OriginalSteve

    Reading this bit:

    “The Union of Concerned Scientists called the Trump administration’s move “an attack on scientific integrity,” and the group’s president sent a letter to U.S. senators claiming that “freezing grants and contracts would almost certainly increase health risks for children and other vulnerable people in our country.” The group has also set up a hotline so federal scientists can anonymously tattle on their new bosses.”

    The sooner Trump can cauterize the weeping wound of junk science and slap the snouts in the trough, the better….

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    Reed Coray

    If bewildered and stunned AGW believers are going to protest Trump’s actions, we as skeptics should try to offset those complaints by sending Trump messages of encouragement. If any of you are aware of an address or addressee where our messages of encouragement will reap the highest benefit, please let me know.

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    Rod Stuart

    The USA extracting itself from the Paris climate excrement.

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    doubtingdave

    when I look back to when I first began having doubts about global warming , over ten years ago now , I don’t think I can remember a more significant moment than watching that GWPF press briefing yesterday with Myron Ebell , only the Email release from East Anglia comes close , I had to pinch myself and watch it three times , my favourite part just had to be James Delinpole swanning into the party fashionable late to a warm welcome from Myron , then sitting on the edge of desk separate from the rest of the press pool in plenty of time to watch Roger Harrabin’s head explode , its going to be a great year for us sceptics :)

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    James Murphy

    How can anyone refer to the person from Channel 4 as a ‘reporter’? It’s quite clear that they were not there to report facts.

    Much like the press conference given by Tony Heller, Tim Ball, and Malcolm Roberts last November… 2 shining examples of what is wrong with the media.

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    It’s their jet trails, limos and lobster sandwiches. Duh.

    Our Green Betters are like Renaissance popes relaxing with their girlfriends and catamites after a hard day’s piety. Or like the Romanian leadership in the 1980s. We’re forced to attend and to bow, but nobody believes, nobody listens and nobody respects.

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    King Geo

    Time to open a bottle of champers to celebrate – oops what about that CO2 being released? Do it on your balcony or in your garden – the plants will love you.

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    Richard111

    The real trouble will start when the general public becomes aware of the extent of the fraud and start asking “Why?“.

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      Richard111 February 1, 2017 at 6:03 pm

      “The real trouble will start when the general public becomes aware of the extent of the fraud and start asking “Why?“.”:

      Perhaps not, someone scamming younger sister can be answered by ‘why’! The CAGW SCAM started out innocently! to be later taken over by the UN\Marxist\Soy-lent crowd. Way back were plaintiffs and defendants about the SCAM! NO more! the LAW now “is” the SCAM. -will-

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    Geoffrey Williams

    Myron Ebell was absolutely outstanding!His arguments were informed and to the point and he remained so cool.
    In one hour he completely destroyed a roomfull of climate reporters from the MSM who were left completely shell shocked.
    His power of debate showed through by the stunned silence after each question and answer. Absolutely brilliant!!
    GeoffW

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    pat

    at least Channel 4 did a piece. if u have trouble getting video to play, let it download first:

    Jon snow on Ebell’s visit to London: “should we be worried? after all, one environmental group described Mr. Ebell as the greatest single threat to the survival of the planet”.
    Tom Clarke reports: at one point says: “with populist POST-FACT politics on the rise in Europe too” blah blah; enter Bob Ward; back to Ebell as Darth Vader.

    VIDEO: 3mins36secs: 30 Jan: Channel 4: Trump appoints climate change deniers
    President Trump has alarmed environmentalists by appointing climate change deniers to key positions within his administration. Now Myron Ebell, the man who was appointed by Trump to lead the transition team for the Environmental Protection Agency, is in London to meet like- minded climate change sceptics.
    https://www.channel4.com/news/trump-appoints-climate-change-deniers

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      Graeme No.3

      For all the propaganda from the presenter I think Ebell won that debate. Trying to put him up as The Devil Incarnate would have backfired with anybody not strongly committed to AGW.

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    Ken Lloyd

    I’ve just watched the above video and I must confess I was agreeably surprised at the civil tone of the meeting, bearing in mind the hysterical way these topics are “debated” in public these days. Obviously, the audience of reporters held different views to Myron Ebell but for the most part they listened to his answers without too much interruption and no snarky ad hominem attacks.

    I just wish that more public meetings were like this. I actually managed to watch the whole thing without squirming.

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      James Murphy

      I agree, it was pretty civilised. Maybe I have a completely wrong impression about the way these types of press conferences really work, but I’m definitely not impressed by reporters using it as a direct means of expressing their own opinions.

      Of course they can write and publish whatever opinion pieces they want, and I expect tough questions to be asked, particularly when public money is involved, but there is a line between professionalism, and the way people like Tom Clarke behave. Then there is also the small matter of reporting facts as objectively as possible…

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    pat

    not a day goes by without MSM or CAGW media suggesting tensions in the Trump camp, so I would ignore that bit, but it’s more likely Trump’s team want to see Tillerson & Pruitt confirmed before getting into detail.

    had to get following text from cached version:

    31 Jan: PARIS AGREEMENT: Climate experts cast doubt on claim of imminent withdrawal
    Jean Chemnick, E&E News reporter
    A pronouncement by a key former Trump administration transition team member that the White House may soon unveil plans to withdraw from the Paris Agreement was met with skepticism yesterday by climate diplomacy hands on both sides of the aisle…

    Even the White House is distancing itself from Ebell’s prediction. Trump’s spokesman, Sean Spicer, declined to comment on it during the daily briefing, and EPA White House liaison Don Benton released a memo to agency personnel chiding news outlets for “quoting individuals who are no longer serving on the EPA transition team.”

    Some say Ebell’s comment and the tepid White House response could signal a tension within the administration. More ideologically driven members of Trump’s transition have pushed for withdrawal from the agreement — or even from the underlying U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change — long before Trump was elected and are unlikely to abandon that battle cry now.

    Paul Bledsoe, a senior fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute, said Ebell appeared to be trying to box the administration into taking a position on the deal before Tillerson officially arrives at the department.
    “This appears to be a last-gasp gambit by Ebell and other ideologically driven Paris haters to bait the White House into taking rash action rather than awaiting the confirmation of Rex Tillerson and a more deliberate consideration,” he said.

    Proponents of the climate deal and even foreign policy experts who are not climate advocates — including Corker — have argued that the diplomatic cost of leaving the popular but largely nonbinding agreement dwarfs the effort and cost of staying in it.
    “Why would you break those eggs?” said Frank Maisano of Bracewell LLP. Paris, he said, “is meaningless, and yet it’s going to ignite hair on fire of every country in the world.”…
    Others said this week would be improbable timing. Some members of Congress say there may be an announcement on Paris over the next month.
    “I find it very unlikely that a decision of this importance would be made until after Rex Tillerson is confirmed, in office, and has built capacity to look into these issues,” said Andrew Light of the World Resources Institute and a former State Department climate team member.
    Bledsoe, meanwhile, suggested Trump could get as much political mileage with his base by dismissing the Paris deal via Twitter as by withdrawing from it, and with far less diplomatic pushback.

    But Nick Loris, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, which has supplied several members to Trump’s team, said there are practical reasons that Trump should formally withdraw from Paris.
    “I think if you leave Paris together and you keep the entire UNFCCC framework together, that allows future administrations to utilize it as a way to enforce domestic regulations in one sense or another, as well as to commit funds to the Green Climate Fund,” he said.
    Loris said he wasn’t privy to the administration’s current strategy but noted that many of the beachhead team members favored departing Paris.

    Ebell’s suggestion to send the treaty to the Senate to be rejected even though the United States is already a party appeared to have been rejected, he said, but he hoped the administration would still move swiftly to withdraw from the UNFCCC.
    “Maybe it’s not as immediate as some of the other executive agreements the administration is moving on, but obviously the sooner they withdraw from the framework … we could be out in a year,” he said.
    http://www.eenews.net/climatewire/2017/01/31/stories/1060049263

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    pat

    I cannot find anything by Roger Harrabin at BBC on the Ebell/GWPF event.

    however, go to Harrabin’s Twitter page, much to note there, including how Ebell went to No. 10, with Harrabin posting the E&E piece I just posted, & tweeting:

    “Even more puzzling that Myron got into No 10″…

    earlier he tweeted:

    “Good idea for No 10 to know the enemy. But a PR told me #climatechange wasn’t discussed!” etc…

    Harrabin also links to what seems to be his most recent BBC piece, which Homewood has here – read comments:

    30 Jan: Paul Homewood: UK ‘need not fear electricity blackouts’ says ex-National Grid boss–But it will cost you £3bn
    Roger Harrabin, who is apparently now an energy analyst as well as an environmental one, writes:…
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/01/30/uk-need-not-fear-electricity-blackouts-says-ex-national-grid-boss-but-it-will-cost-you-3bn/#comments

    most recent Ebell mention at BBC:

    25 Jan: BBC: Matt McGrath: Trump’s ‘control-alt-delete’ on climate change policy
    Are the recent actions taken by the Trump team on the issues of climate and energy the opening shots in a war on knowledge? …
    So are all these moves evidence of a malevolent mindset, determined to crush all this snowflake climate change chatter?
    Definitely, according to Alden Meyer, a veteran climate campaigner with the Union of Concerned Scientists.
    “President Trump and his team are pursuing what I call a ‘control-alt-delete’ strategy: control the scientists in the federal agencies, alter science-based policies to fit their narrow ideological agenda, and delete scientific information from government websites,” told BBC News.
    “This is an across-the-board strategy that we are seeing at multiple federal agencies on a range of issues, though climate denialism is clearly the point of the spear.”
    Not according to White House spokesman Sean Spicer.
    “I don’t think it’s any surprise that when there’s an administration turnover, that we’re going to review the policy,” he said…
    “We are beginning to see our fears realised less than a week after President Trump has taken office,” said Bob Ward, from the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment.
    “I hope that the Prime Minister will challenge President Trump about this censorship and political interference in the process of gaining and sharing knowledge about climate change during their meeting on Friday.” (PM MAY SEEMS TO HAVE IGNORED THE ADVICE)
    Climate scientists in the US are also rallying to fight back.
    A march on Washington by scientists is being proposed…
    Meanwhile, another national park – Golden Gate NPS ***(LINK) – has started tweeting climate facts.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38746608

    ***LINK STILL SHOWS: 23 Jan: TWEET: “2016 was the hottest year on record for the 3rd year in a row. Check out this @NASA & @NOAA report: https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-noaa-data-show-2016-warmest-year-on-record-globally …”
    REPLY: You guys are awesome! :) ETC ETC – CHECK IT OUT…

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    pat

    read all. (Rob Young is professor of coastal geology at Western Carolina University and director of the Program for the Study of Developed Shorelines – Wikipedia):

    31 Jan: NYT: Robert S. Young: A Scientists’ March on Washington Is a Bad Idea
    Talk is growing about a March for Science on Washington, similar to the Women’s March the day after President Trump’s inauguration. It is a terrible idea.
    Among scientists, understandably, there is growing fear that fact-based decision making is losing its seat at the policy-making table. There’s also overwhelming frustration with the politicization of science by climate change skeptics and others who see it as threatening to their interests or beliefs.
    But trying to recreate the pointedly political Women’s March will serve only to reinforce the narrative from skeptical conservatives that scientists are an interest group and politicize their data, research and findings for their own ends…

    A march by scientists, while well intentioned, will serve only to trivialize and politicize the science we care so much about, turn scientists into another group caught up in the culture wars and further drive the wedge between scientists and a certain segment of the American electorate.
    Rather than marching on Washington and in other locations around the country, I suggest that my fellow scientists march into local civic groups, churches, schools, county fairs and, privately, into the offices of elected officials…

    Al Gore, bless his heart (as we say in the South), was well intentioned when he made “An Inconvenient Truth” in 2006. But he did us no favors. So many of the conservative Southerners whom I speak to about climate change see it as a partisan issue largely because of that high-profile salvo fired by the former vice president…READ ALL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/opinion/a-scientists-march-on-washington-is-a-bad-idea.html?_r=2

    Harrabin also tweets:

    First class post by @edking_CH on #climate and #G20. He will be missed.

    31 Jan: ClimateChangeNews: Ed King: Laurence Tubiana: prepare for G20 climate showdown
    France’s former climate ambassador runs though the countries we should expect to protect the Paris Agreement in 2017
    If the advent of Donald Trump’s reign as US president strikes fear into the hearts of environmentalists, the prospect of Angela Merkel fighting their corner at the Hamburg G20 offers some relief.
    The German chancellor faces an election later this year, but remains bullish on the need to slash greenhouse gas emissions and has told her administration to make it a priority for 2017…
    Asked about Merkel, who was involved in UN climate talks as an environment minister in the early 1990s, Tubiana is unequivocal. “She is a leader,” she says…

    The early indications are positive. An EU source recently told Climate Home Germany and China had discussed taking over the Major Economies Forum, a group of 17 nations founded by the US in 2009 to talk climate.
    It looks unlikely team Trump know what the MEF is, let alone have plans to resurrect it. But there’s an opportunity, spies Tubiana, for a “different grouping and design” to reflect ***a new world order…READ ALL
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/01/31/laurence-tubiana-prepare-for-g20-climate-showdown/

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      TdeF

      You have to love the rush by the Left in politics to be the poor victims deprived of their trillions.

      Among scientists, understandably, there is growing fear that fact-based decision making is losing its seat at the policy-making table. There’s also overwhelming frustration with the politicization of science by climate change skeptics and others who see it as threatening to their interests or beliefs.”

      For those people who think that man made Climate Change has any basis in fact after eight years of total control of policy without any debate and no significant change in temperature in twenty, it must be sad to suddenly be victim of politically motivated non scientists! Now you know how really qualified scientists feel against about faux climate experts like Flannery and Gore, neither of whom know any real science or even meteorology.

      The ‘understandably’ is a nice touch, so sensitive to those upset scientists, so heartfelt, so tragic. What will happen to Little Timmie?

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      The average person would be quite right after thirty years of dire predictions to ask “what Climate Change”?

      It is apparently always somewhere you do not live, which is handy for the argument. Then in the unlikely event that “Climate Change” is entirely in a place where no one lives, what exactly is the problem? Also what happened to Global Warming or is that somehow different and you can have local Climate Change without Global Warming or any warming, even cooling? Climate Change is slowly going the way of the Rapture.

      If someone has spotted Climate Change in their neighbourhood, please comment.

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        TdeF

        I mean that there has never been a public debate between scientists. After thirty years, what debate? Disagreement yes, debate no. Most Americans are not convinced there is a problem at all and the judge is quite right.

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        Dennis

        It has to, all of my local television news people keep repeating stuff.

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    Sean McHugh

    “that this room is full of people like myself [me]“

    Semi literate journalists?

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    el gordo

    ‘Trump has appointed a leading denier of climate change, Kenneth Haapala of the Heartland Institute, to serve on the administration team handling appointments for the U.S. Department of Commerce, the federal agency that oversees NOAA. Haapala will be in a position to help choose top administrators at NOAA.’

    Anthony Watts

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    David Maddison

    Can the Paris Agreement realistically survive without the USA?

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      TdeF

      It was always about the US, the source of so much of the funding for the UN, direct and indirect. Perhaps move the UN to Doha, a very sustainable city and closer to the action and the oil. Or Dubai. The diplomats and the 44,000 staff would just love it and so much closer to the trouble spots they administer, not the US.

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    pat

    don’t miss Prince Charles at the end -:

    VIDEO 6mins40secs: 31 Jan: Channel 4: Trump ‘a threat to Europe’
    The dangers of a rift between Europe and America are becoming starkly clear. In a letter to EU leaders ahead of this week’s summit in Malta, the President of the European Council, Donald Tusk, has listed the new Trump administration as one of the “external threats” to Europe.
    https://www.channel4.com/news/trump-a-threat-to-europe

    30 Jan: UK Sun: JAMES DELINGPOLE: Prince Charles lecturing Donald Trump on environment won’t have fairytale ending
    There’s a danger that Charles’s environmental agenda could hijack ceremonial event between two great nations
    Prince Charles is upset that Donald Trump doesn’t believe in man-made global warming…
    But instead of just handing him a signed copy of his new Ladybird book Climate Change — perhaps with “HINT! HINT!” scrawled on it in red crayon — when Trump arrives on his state visit the Prince apparently ***wants to give him a lecture…
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2744073/prince-charles-lecturing-donald-trump-on-environment-wont-have-fairtale-ending/

    ***Charles has allegedly been warned off this idea.
    however, with anti-Trump hysteria & a petition to cancel his visit being hyped up by the MSM, & members of Parliament calling him names, maybe Trump will call off the trip!

    Veteran Labour MP Dennis Skinner calls Trump a fascist – Daily Mail
    Donald Trump was today compared to Hitler and Mussolini by a famously outspoken Labour MP who called on the Government to ban the US leader from a state visit…

    (British Home Secretary) Amber Rudd: Trump travel ban could help IS (ISIS)
    BBC News – ‎17 hours ago‎

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      mikewaite

      “Donald Tusk, has listed the new Trump administration as one of the “external threats” to Europe.”
      How can one not despair of the current EU leaders when they issue such nonsense .
      The BBC radio 4 today talks of fighting and shelling in East Ukraine between Ukrainian and pro- Russian forces.
      That surely is a real , not an imaginary, threat to Europe since it is already taking place inside Europe.
      It is not more than a few weeks ago that Nato and European Govts were planning responses to Russian attacks on the former , and quite possibly , future
      colonies in the Baltics. If that happens then Poland, Germany and Denmark will be begging for US commitment on the ground.
      Attacking Trump seems ridiculous and possibly lethal for us in Europe.

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        Glen Michel

        An internal issue for Russia and Ukraine. I know Russia baiting is popular in some sectors, but rapprochement is the way with the U.S.

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      AndyG55

      Trump’s IQ is probably twice that of Charles.

      It would be like someone bringing a limp lettuce to a gun fight.

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    pat

    it really is lunacy:

    31 Jan: IBT: Donald Tusk’s letter to 27 EU heads of state about Trump administration in full
    The challenges currently facing the European Union are more dangerous than ever before in the time since the signature of the Treaty of Rome. Today we are dealing with three threats, which have previously not occurred, at least not on such a scale…
    The first threat, an external one, is related to the new geopolitical situation in the world and around Europe. An increasingly, let us call it, assertive China, especially on the seas, Russia’s aggressive policy towards Ukraine and its neighbours, wars, terror and anarchy in the Middle East and in Africa, with radical Islam playing a major role, as well as worrying declarations by the new American administration all make our future highly unpredictable. For the first time in our history, in an increasingly multipolar external world, so many are becoming openly anti-European, or Eurosceptic at best. Particularly the change in Washington puts the European Union in a difficult situation; with the new administration seeming to put into question the last 70 years of American foreign policy…
    The second threat, an internal one, is connected with the rise in anti-EU, nationalist, increasingly xenophobic sentiment in the EU itself. National egoism is also becoming an attractive alternative to integration. In addition, centrifugal tendencies feed on mistakes made by those, for whom ideology and institutions have become more important than the interests and emotions of the people.
    The third threat is the state of mind of the pro-European elites…
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-tusks-letter-27-eu-heads-state-about-trump-administration-full-1604070

    saw comments on websites asking Tusk: what happened to the CAGW threat?

    30 Jan: Reuters: EU’s Verhofstadt sees Trump as one of a trio of threats to bloc
    by Marc Jones and Alistair Smout
    U.S. President Donald Trump is part of a three-pronged attempt to undermine the European Union, Guy Verhofstadt, one of the EU’s top officials and its chief Brexit negotiator, said on Monday.
    The other two threats were from radicalized Islam and from Russian President Vladimir Putin, who Verhofstadt said was also working against the progress of the EU project.
    “We have a third front, for the moment, undermining the European Union, and it is Donald Trump,” Verhofstadt said in a speech at the Chatham House think-tank…
    Verhofstadt served for nine years as prime minister of Belgium, and has served in the European Parliament since 2009…

    u can bet BBC was cheering on this pronouncement by Verhofstadt, as the Beeb hasn’t stopped trying to undermine Brexit since the referendum, & they no doubt think this new figure might lead Brexiteers to regret their vote:

    31 Jan: UK Express: REVEALED: Now shameless EU threatens UK with astronomical £500BILLION Brexit DIVORCE BILL
    THE EUROPEAN Parliament’s top Brexit negotiator has said Britain could face a £500billion (€600bn) Brexit divorce bill – ten times the figure initially expected.
    By Lizzie Stromme
    …Guy Verhofstadt has now said he expects Britain to cough up over £500bn to the European Union as it extricates itself from Brussels…
    BBC Newsnight host Evan Davis asked the former Belgian Prime Minister about the potential financial liabilities linked to Brexit.
    Mr Verhofstadt replied: “What I know is the outstanding commitments now and before Britain will leave the European Union will in total be around €600billion (£513billion).
    “That’s the reality and you can find in the accounts of the EU.”…
    Reacting to the inflammatory remarks, Gerard Batten MEP, Ukip’s Brexit spokesperson, said: “He should be told to get lost. Forty-four years of EU membership has cost Britain billions in direct contributions, billions in implementing thousands of EU laws, and the loss of our fishing industry untold billions more, to name just few of the staggering costs.
    “Her Majesty’s Government should be sending the EU a bill. We were mad to join in the first place and now let’s just cut our losses and get out as quickly as possible.”..

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      Annie

      The accounts of the EU? I believe they’ve never been audited? Does anyone know how to account for the unimaginable amount of money the EU has squandered? They always want more, including threatening Britain because the British dare to say ‘Enough!’.

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      pat February 1, 2017 at 11:41 pm

      “it really is lunacy:”

      With lunacy, you get with the puppys, lay on your back, and howl at the Moon! Quite refreshing, then you get licked upon with the required ‘warz my food’!!

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    pat

    30 Jan: Rasmussen: Most Support Temporary Ban on Newcomers from Terrorist Havens
    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Thirty-three percent (33%) are opposed, while 10% are undecided…

    30 Jan: Rasmussen: Right Direction or Wrong Track
    47% Say U.S. Heading in Right Direction
    That’s up nine points from the previous week and the highest level of optimism in over 12 years of regular surveying…
    The national telephone survey of 3,000 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports from January 22-26, 2017…

    31 Jan: InvestorsBusinessDaily: John Merline: Trump’s Plan To Cut Regulations Will Face A Surprising Foe
    Union of Concerned Scientists President Ken Kimmell called it “absurd, imposing a (???)Sophie’s Choice on federal agencies.”…
    Trump’s executive order, signed on Monday, doesn’t deregulate anything. It simply is an attempt to cap the current costs of regulations this year by requiring agencies to offset the costs of any new rule by eliminating regulations that impose equal costs…
    It’s a tiny first step toward cutting the enormous cost of federal regulations — which by some estimates adds up to almost $1.9 trillion a year…

    What critics of deregulation fail to mention, however, is that it is greedy corporations that are likely to be one of Trump’s biggest opponents when it comes to dismantling, or even taming, the federal government’s massively complex and enormously expensive regulatory state.
    Soon after Trump was elected, for example, more than 350 companies signed a letter urging him not to abandon the Paris climate change agreement that President Obama had signed onto. “Failure to build a low-carbon economy puts American prosperity at risk,” the letter said.
    Among those companies signing it were household names like General Mills (GIS), Kellogg (K), DuPont (DD), eBay (EBAY), Starbucks (SBUX), Staples (SPLS), Nike (NKE) and Intel (INTC).

    Trump’s effort to fix Dodd-Frank won’t get much support from the banking industry, either…
    Why would companies be pushing to keep costly regulations in place?
    This is the dirty secret that so-called public-interest groups never share. Big corporations are often the biggest beneficiaries, and at times the strongest advocates, of federal regulations.
    Daniel Hannan, a member of the European Parliament, put it best during the Brexit debate last year. Big business vigorously supported the Remain campaign, he noted, despite the fact that EU regulations were suffocating the British economy…
    “Ask yourself why it is that the megabanks and the multinationals are pouring money into the Remain campaign,” Hannan said. “I’ll tell you why. The biggest surprise for me when I was a newly elected MEP was the extent to which these giant corporations wanted more regulation. They love regulation because they can afford the compliance costs more easily than their smaller rivals.”…

    Some other examples, courtesy of the Cato Institute:
    Enron was a tireless advocate of strict global energy regulations supported by environmentalists..ETC
    http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/heres-why-big-business-wont-support-trumps-deregulation-effort/

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    31 Jan: UCLA Berkeley: Legal-Planet: Ann Carlson: Predicting How Neil Gorsuch Would Rule on Environmental Issues
    If he’s ever confirmed by the U.S. Senate
    Donald Trump just announced his nomination to replace Justice Antonin Scalia. Here are some very preliminary thoughts.
    As far as I can tell, he does not have a huge environmental record as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit (though he is, of course, the son of Ronald Reagan’s first, highly controversial administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, Ann Gorsuch Burford). Gorsuch has written opinions in at least two cases, however, that are important harbingers of how he might approach cases on the Supreme Court…READ ON
    http://legal-planet.org/2017/01/31/predicting-how-neil-gorsuch-would-rule-on-environmental-issues/

    MSM won’t let go.
    altho headline says protest was “after SCOTUS pick”, the article & video states it’s before the announcement! so few people & it seems they protest daily outside Trump Tower (mentioned in video), so MSM can cover a protest any time they like:

    VIDEO: 31 Jan: ABC New York: Jim Dolan: Protest held outside Trump Tower after SCOTUS pick
    Protests and demonstrations involving civil disobedience took place in New York as President Donald Trump announced his Supreme Court nominee…
    This protest was over President Trump’s nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court, but it started ***before anyone knew who the actual nominee would be.
    ***Still, they knew the stakes are high. (???)
    http://abc7ny.com/politics/protest-held-outside-trump-tower-after-scotus-pick/1730960/

    same tiny protest as above – Trump Tower is on 5th Avenue:

    31 Jan: CBS New York: Protesters Arrested In NYC Demonstration Against Trump Supreme Court Pick
    Moments after President Donald Trump announced Neil Gorsuch as his U.S. Supreme Court pick, a small group of protesters blocked traffic in front of Trump Tower and got arrested.
    After Trump’s announcement, about a dozen demonstrators knelt in the middle of Fifth Avenue as an act of civil disobedience. They were calmly led to a blue and white police bus in plastic handcuffs.

    how easy to get a dozen or two protesters together for more MSM coverage. it all adds up to looking like there’s a huge movement against the President:

    31 Jan: Miami Herald: Monique O. Madan: They want Trump gone. Two dozen protesters are hoping Marco Rubio will lead the way
    With posters that read “Remove the POTUS,” about two dozen protesters gathered outside U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio’s office in Doral Tuesday and chanted “Stop Trump’s Swamp’s Cabinet,” as cars honked along Northwest 36th Street.

    TRY GETTING MSM COVERAGE WHEN YOUR PROTEST DOESN’T FIT WITH THEIR AGENDA!

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    pat

    a final laugh – one of the funniest videos ever.
    u may recall the Democrats had a retreat recently to learn how to communicate with “REAL PEOPLE”:

    31 Jan: Youtube: 1min50secs: Democrats’ Anti-Trump Protest Goes Horribly Wrong as Microphone Malfunctions
    As top Democratic leaders held a protest against President Donald Trump’s executive order on immigration, the microphone they used did not work properly.
    The crowds could not hear what was being said so resorted to chants including “Lock him up!” in reference to Trump.
    “Look at that moon. It’s a new moon. All right, can you hear me now?” Pelosi said at one point.
    She then instructed those around her to sing “This Land Is Your Land” again until the microphones began working, which wound up never happening.
    To add insult to injury, after Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) spoke, Pelosi turned to Schumer and asked him to “introduce the real people.”
    “Where are they?” Schumer asked, soon realizing the “real people” were not there.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi00uBbV2J8&feature=youtu.be&t=21s

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    Oliver K. Manuel

    Congratulations, DJT, on your efforts to restore integrity to journalism, science and constitutional government.

    I partially grasp some of the hidden difficulties you now face: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/02/01/trumps-toxic-agriculture-policy-will-be-as-grotesque-as-obamas/#comment-205367

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      Oliver K. Manuel

      President Trump’s most effective next move would be to ask his Science Advisor and the NAS President to publicly admit or deny the logical error in Dr Carl von Weizsacker’s 1935 definition of “nuclear binding energy.”

      That error was inserted into all nuclear physics textbooks worldwide after WWII, although a 19-year old student – KAZUO KURODA – had already recognized the error on 13 June 1936 and risked the rest of his life after WWII showing how this mistake isolated humanity from reality: The Sun made, sustains & holds in continuous vibration every atom, life and planet in the solar system.

      See: PAUL KAZUO KURODA (1917-2001)

      1. Autobiography: http://www.omatumr.com/abstracts2005/PKKAutobiography.pdf
      2. Tribute:
      https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/TRIBUTE_TO_KURODA.pdf

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    PhilJourdan

    Sad when a room full of people pretend to be scientists. If they had been scientists, it would never have come to this stage.

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    There is, or was recently, a short series on US TV called “Leah Remini on Scientology”. In one episode, TV star Leah Remini, who was in Scientology for something like 27 or 28 years before finally seeing the light, said that the normal reaction of her or any member within Scientology, when confronted by anyone the least bit critical of, or even cynical about, Scientology, was to immediately think the critic was insane, talking nonsense. The reaction of those journalists to Ebell is just that same, instantaneous reaction, and it merely shows what most here have known for a long time now: “Global Warming/Climate Change” alarmism is a religion, or more correctly, a cult, that is antagonistic to the truth.

    I brought this up on the American Thinker site, and within days other commenters began referring to Leah Remini’s excellent exposure of Scientology, in the wider context of Obama and the radical Left’s anti-American and anti-reality agenda (I myself have been calling them the “Insane Left” for the last 7 years or more, not least because of their fraudulent subornation of the false “climate science”).

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    Ruairi

    For warmists, the news is too raw,
    To accept, so it sticks in the craw,
    As their climate belief,
    Has now come to grief,
    With many in shock and in awe.

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    Murray Shaw

    The interesting thing for me that came out of the meeting was that Trump had started assembling his transition team as far back as August. Sort of puts paid to the claim that Trump was not prepared for taking the Presidency. Well, yes he was, and was able to move on all his major election promises in the first week.

    The thing I loved most though from the video was the “body language” of the audience. Said it all really!

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    Dennis

    The British parliament has this morning voted overwhelming in favour of triggering the Lisbon Treaty article 50 and begin the formal process of leaving the European Union.

    It means the Prime Minister Theresa May has now been given authority to trigger article 50 and she is on track to do so by the end of March, which she had promised to do.

    The vote of 498 to 114 came just ahead of the tabling of a White Paper tomorrow outlining the government’s position on Brexit.

    Daily Telegraph

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      KinkyKeith

      Great news.

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      PhilJourdan

      This points out a very key difference between the UK form of government and the US form. The vote for Brexit was relatively close. And most in Parliament opposed it. But apparently the MPs got the message and a far greater percentage voted to enact the will of the people. That is good.

      Had the same issue arisen in the US (see 1980/4), the opposition would have just stomped their feet and said no. When we are more like the UK is when the left is in power as the conservatives just do the Kevin Bacon Animal House imitation.

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    read all:

    2 Feb: Yahoo7: AAP: All options on energy table: Frydenberg
    The federal government is looking at all options when it comes to securing affordable energy, Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg insists.
    And that includes subsidising new high-efficiency, low-emission coal power plants.
    Asked whether the government would like to see the Clean Energy Finance Corportation give such projects taxpayer support to get them off the ground, Mr Frydenberg said it would look at all options.
    “But I do point out it’s called the Clean Energy Finance Corporation not the Renewable Energy Finance Corporation,” he told ABC radio on Thursday from South Australia.
    “That’s an important distinction.”…
    Coal continues to play an important role in securing baseload power, Mr Frydenberg said, citing Japan’s 90 high-efficiency, low-emissions power plants and plans to build another 45…

    Treasurer Scott Morrison echoed Mr Frydenberg, saying the government would have more to say as the year goes on but coal was an important part of the mix.
    “Why would the Labor Party be opposed to lower power prices,” he said.
    Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce believes Australia should build clean coal-fired power stations and consider sinking taxpayer cash into developing technology around lowering emissions.
    Australia was a major coal exporter and it was “morally prudent” to be at the forefront of technology around burning the fossil fuel.
    It was critical for the country to ensure “poor people can turn the lights on” as efficiently as possible, he said…

    His comments came after Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull pledged to make electricity prices and energy security defining issues this year.
    Mr Turnbull said energy policy was not an abstract issue because higher electricity bills hurt household budgets…
    Chief Scientist Alan Finkel will also provide advice on the role they can play in stabilising the electricity grid…
    https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/options-energy-table-frydenberg-210312047.html

    Turnbull’s coal embrace will leave critics cold
    The Australian Financial Review-14 hours ago

    Don’t touch renewables, business warns
    The Sydney Morning Herald – ‎16 hours ago‎
    Australia’s top business groups have cautioned the government against making any more changes to the renewable energy target.

    read all:

    1 Feb: AFR: Ben Potter: Energy industry gives Malcolm Turnbull’s clean coal power call the cold shoulder
    http://www.afr.com/news/energy-industry-gives-malcolm-turnbulls-clean-coal-power-call-the-cold-shoulder-20170201-gu39hz

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      Dennis

      Political back flips are amusing to watch and especially when they follow the published comments of the former PM they like to smear.

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      Bulldust

      I see the ABC had an article made-to-order criticising clean coal:

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-02/clean-coal-explained/8235210

      Interesting that they label it an “analysis” piece despite having a lot of misleading content such as:

      Coal, by nature, is not clean. Aside from releasing CO2, which contributes to global warming, burning coal releases sooty particulates that can cause cancer and respiratory problems, sulphur and nitrogen, which contribute to acid rain, and other toxic chemicals.

      Apparently the author has never heard of scrubbers.

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        Bulldust

        Thinking more on it … this is quite disgusting. Looking at the authors recent Tweets it is clear he is a Greenie (several CAGW tweets, Australia Institute stuff etc) and he is deliberately disingenuous in the article implying coal stations in Australia emit soot, NOx, SOx and other scary chemicals. Simply inexcusable.

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    pat

    1 Feb: Bloomberg: Dana Khraiche: Saudi Energy Minister Praises Trump’s Pro-Fossil-Fuel Policies
    “President Trump has policies which are good for the oil industries,” Al-Falih said in an interview with the BBC. “He has steered away from excessively anti-fossil-fuel, unrealistic fossil-fuel policies.”…

    1 Feb: Financial Times: Saudi energy minister welcomes Donald Trump election
    https://www.ft.com/content/7239bd93-67e9-3c0d-ab89-027991860e20

    BBC below: first Doucet interruption: Trump wants to rip up the climate pact, agreed by 200 countries, is that well-intentioned, is that what you mean?…
    Doucet: Trump wants to lift regulations, his regulatory authority is headed by someone who doesn’t believe in the theories of climate change…(Minister reminds Doucet he and Rick Perry are both alumni of Texas A&M.) doesn’t bite on CAGW.
    minister calls her out for over-exaggerating concerns. heaps praise on Tillerson:

    VIDEO: 5mins02secs: 1 Feb: BBC: ‘We want the same thing’ – Saudi oil minister welcomes Trump era
    Saudi Oil Minister Khalid al-Falih has told the BBC’s Chief International Correspondent Lyse Doucet he is pleased that US President Donald Trump plans to pursue a more fossil fuel-oriented energy policy…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38818050

    Stephen Sackur opens: more than half a year after the British people voted NARROWLY (EMPHASISED) to leave the European Union…blah blah. Raab gets in plenty of attacks on BBC anti-Brexit bias:

    VIDEO: 23mins: 1 Feb: BBC Hardtalk: Pro-Brexit UK Conservative Member of Parliament – Dominic Raab
    The government has clarified its vision of what Brexit means, while President Donald Trump is shaking up global politics. The influential advocate of Brexit, Conservative MP Dominic Raab tells Hardtalk’s Stephen Sackur he is confident Britain has a bright post-Brexit future on the world stage…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04qnw5z

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    Max

    It would be enormously helpful if pat had pat’s own private website.
    Reading Jo’s blog has now become a real slog.
    Time was when posts were on-topic (Jo’s topic).

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      Peter C

      You don’t have to read them all.

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        Annie

        Pat produces much of great interest. If I can’t read it at the time I scroll through and then go back later. I have had a good look today after being away yesterday (with the almost unbearable racket in Melbourne; couldn’t wait to get out of it again.).

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    pat

    1 Feb: World Coal: Louise Mulhall: An upgrade for Australia’s coal-fired power plants
    The NSW Minerals Council has endorsed today’s comments on energy policy from Prime Minister Turnbull and welcomed his leadership in advocating new technology coal-fired power stations as an option for meeting Australia’s future energy needs.
    “This issue is particularly relevant for NSW as we consider how the State’s future energy needs will be met, as well as because our high-quality coal is NSW’s largest export commodity by value,” NSW Minerals Council CEO, Stephen Galilee said today.
    Speaking at the National Press Club in Canberra, the Prime Minister said:…
    “Here’s the current picture – old, high emissions coal-fired power stations are closing down, reducing baseload capacity. They cannnot simply be replaced by gas – because it’s too expensive – or by wind or solar because they are intermittent… as the world’s largest coal exporter we have a vested interest in showing that we can provide both lower emissions and reliable base load power with state of the art clean coal fired technology… coal does have a role in the future. You’d think if anyone had an interest in doing something smart with clean coal it would be us, but we don’t have one power station capable of doing it.” …
    “Upgrading existing coal-fired power plants with new low emissions technology would ensure supply of reliable baseload power to NSW homes and businesses for decades, using existing energy infrastructure, distribution networks, and fuel sourced from existing NSW mines close to existing power stations.”
    “NSW is blessed with an abundant supply of high quality thermal coal that can be used by these new technology power plants to generate electricity with up to 40% lower emissions than some existing power stations,” he said.
    https://www.worldcoal.com/coal/01022017/an-upgrade-for-australias-coal-fired-power-plants/

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      David Maddison

      Power stations should only be upgraded if it makes ecomomic sense due to lower consumption of coal, not because of “lower emissions” because there is no problem with CO2 emissions.

      I have never seen any figures that show whether the extra cost of supercritical technology is genuinely worthwhile compared to the cost saving of lower coal consumption. Is it economically worthwhile?

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        AndyG55

        The huge increase in efficiency of new coal fired power stations would pay for itself in no time at all.

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          AndyG55

          I think I’ve said before

          Provide loans for the up-grade to modern HELE types, to be paid back from revenue.

          That way , if the RET gets in the way of revenues and electricity production….

          …the government doesn’t get paid back.

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        ianl8888

        USC technology uses about 25% less raw fuel (coal) than the older stations we use in Aus for the same final power output. Of course the vastly improved efficiency is worth it.

        It equates in efficiency to methane (CH4) at a lesser raw fuel cost and preserves the gas resource for more niche-specific deployments such as chemical engineering.

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    PeterS

    How long before the West wakes up and realize that the left is simply a neo-communist rise to power that wants to destroy our Western way of life and implant a NWO based on Stalin’s ideologies? They will not give up so easily as we can now see in the US with those same leftists bulling and threatening Trump supporters. It’s very likely going to lead to a civil war if the trend continues. The leftists are a very committed group. We all thought we defeated communism but I’m afraid we were deluded and allowed communism to rise again. If you think about it we should have seen the warning signs decades ago when our Universities were infiltrated with so many left leaning loonies convincing people that mankind is destroying the climate and we have to put in place a control mechanism to reverse the so called global warming threat. It was and still is a smoke screen for their real agenda – to control the world using their Stalinist ideologies and tactics. Of course they will fail because another form of tyranny will come to defeat and replace them. I won’t say any more as I will go off topic.

    [When were you on topic?]ED

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    pat

    PDF: 1 page: 17 Jan: MEDIA RELEASE: MINERALS COUNCIL OF AUSTRALIA: NEW GENERATION COAL: RELIABLE, SECURE AND LOW EMISSIONS
    Statement from Brendan Pearson, Chief Executive, Minerals Council of Australia
    In East Asia alone, there are more than 725 HELE units are already in operation, with another 1100 under construction or planned. According to the IEA Clean Coal Centre, China’s embrace of HELE technologies has already reduced its annual emissions by 450 million tonnes of CO2…
    CHART
    http://www.minerals.org.au/file_upload/files/media_releases/Media_Release_BP_New_Generation_Coal_Reliable_Secure_and_Low_Emissions_17_January_2017.pdf

    lengthy, multiple links. hopefully, we will now dodge this bullet:

    31 Jan: TheNewAmerican: Alex Newman: UN Boss Demands Youth Impose UN’s Agenda 2030 “Master Plan” on Humanity
    Echoing the language used by critics of the controversial global scheme, the president of the United Nations General Assembly has started referring to the UN Agenda 2030 “Sustainable Development Goals,” or SDGs, as the “master plan for humanity.” Speaking to a UN summit for “youth” this week, top UN leaders all demanded that children worldwide be indoctrinated and conscripted to help impose the UN’s extreme vision on humanity. But as awareness of the UN plot grows, criticism is growing in tandem…
    If President Donald Trump’s early efforts offer any indication of his plans, however, the UN Agenda 2030, far from being a “master plan for humanity,” may already be a failed scheme. And even without Trump, the U.S. Senate has not ratified the proposed global regime, as required by the U.S. Constitution for all treaties. The chances of it being approved by the Senate for the foreseeable future are essentially zero…

    The first time UN General Assembly boss Peter Thomson publicly used the phrase “masterplan for humanity” in reference to the UN SDGs appears to have been at a November, 2016, briefing for UN member states…
    ***Thomson, who hails from Fiji, used the same rhetoric this week at a UN forum (LINK) aimed at bringing youth into the scheme and giving the impression of support for the UN agenda among young people. Touting the importance of the SDGs and the pseudo-treaty on “climate” known as the Paris Agreement, which Trump has vowed to cancel, Thomson said the two UN schemes provide a “universal masterplan to place humanity on a trajectory to a safe, secure and prosperous future for all.” The event was held by the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs, the Office of the Youth Envoy of the Secretary-General, and the UN Inter-agency Network on Youth Development…
    So crucial is co-opting children, Thomson continued, that he has already “written to all Heads of Government urging them to include the SDGs on the education curricula of schools.”…

    The previous UN General Assembly boss, John Ashe, was also a major booster of Agenda 2030. But just after it was adopted, he was arrested by U.S. authorities and charged with corruption and receiving bribes to influence policy from a known Communist Chinese operative masquerading as a billionaire “businessman.” Ashe died under what analysts described as suspicious circumstances before his testimony implicating powerful individuals could be heard in a court of law. Whether other top UN leaders will face justice for their schemes remains to be seen. But what is clear is that, if liberty and self-government are to survive, UN Agenda 2030 must die.

    Congress and Trump are in the process of drastically curtailing funding for the UN dictators club and its totalitarian agenda. But rather than playing defense against every new UN scheme that threatens freedom and self-government, the American people should urge their elected representatives to support a full U.S. withdrawal from the United Nations. The American Sovereignty Restoration Act (H.R. 193), currently sitting in the House Foreign Affairs Committee, would do exactly that, making Agenda 2030 and all the rest of the dictator club’s schemes irrelevant. All that is needed now is enough public pressure.
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/25266-un-boss-demands-youth-impose-uns-agenda-2030-master-plan-on-humanity

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      OriginalSteve

      It sounds just like creating the Hitler Youth all over again…..

      The UN needs a good punch in the nose through exposing its evil plans….

      Its also worth noting that the NWO mob are prepared to impose its will on humanity by force ( literally ) based on writing I have seen in the past.

      Buldozing the seat of the Great Satan ( the UN ) into the Hudson river would be a good start….

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    mem

    This video of Dr Don Easterbrook addressing a US Senate Committee is now available on U Tube. It goes to the data and is the best testimony of why AGW global warming cannot be true. Please promote it as far and as wide as you can.

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    Egor the One

    CAGW = BS

    All advocates and propagators of this global scam should be prosecuted for racketeering and being complicit in the denial of cheap and plentiful energies to millions.

    Cheap energy as in coal fired power generation does much more for genuine environmental concerns than the demonization of co2 and the subsequent deprivation of such energies, which does nothing except create, maintain and worsen world poverty.

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    Just watched the video, those poor souls in the gallery looked like a bunch of mourners at a funeral that had just learned that good old uncle Ernie who they were just about to bury was a paedophile.

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    Ross

    They are discussing this on Bishop Hill as well. I picked up this comment from Rud Istvan and particularly noted the bit I have bolded. Trump and his team are taking this VERY seriously.

    “Good stuff over in UK. More Trump effect. Ebell is very well briefed. CEI involved in the ExxonKnew AG Schneiderman lawsuit, in Mann v. Steyn, in unconstitutionality of CPP with no less than a Larry Tribe brief. Several weekends ago the entire EPA transition team got a Saturday afternoon 3 hour briefing from Tony Heller on NOAA/Nasa climate data fiddles (probably part of developing endangerment finding recommendations). There is obviously a lot going on below the visible surface. US out of UNFCCC is coming soon. Defunding already ordered under the 1990 and 1993 laws.
    Watching US progressives completely lose it about every other day is a new favorite pastime.”

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      Dennis

      Oh what a tangled web they weave when first they practised to deceive ….

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      clive

      The climate change believers are still at war with reality. That is a war that cannot be won. Sadly, they have and will cause great damage to the rest of us on their way to their final battle.

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      toorightmate

      Do we all recall the 9 to 11 cyclones we were to experience this summer;
      and the 9 the previous summer;
      and the 10 the previous summer.
      The BoM cyclone scaremongering each November is now as credible as Gore’s “no more snow” and Tiny Tim’s “no more water”.
      The CO2 horseshit has to stop. Enough is enough.

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    crakar24

    After dropping 163 million on trying to buy election results in the US Steyer finally sees the light and has walked away from the global warming scam.

    Ergo the biggest green donor is now gone, where do the parasites get their funding from now.

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      Ross

      crakar24

      Is there a link for this wonderful news about Steyer?

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        ROM

        Washington Times;

        A wasted political environment
        Tom Steyer gets few results from his $174 million

        It’s right out of “Brewster’s Millions.” A rich guy quickly blows through $174 million and in the end, walks away with nothing to show for it. That’s the strange but true story of hedge fund billionaire-turned green activist Tom Steyer.
        After making his fortune from investments that include some of the planet’s most environmentally unsound operations, Mr. Steyer said he experienced a “Road to Damascus” moment and repented by becoming “Daddy Greenbucks” to radical environmentalists and their elected champions.
        In 2014, after boasting that he would make climate change the top campaign issue, he spent nearly $75 million, mostly from his own deep pockets, making him the election season’s largest single donor.
        Politico and others criticized his ads as “super weird” and “bizarre.” One received “Four Pinocchios” from The Washington Post fact-checker for relying on “speculation, not facts, to make insinuations and assertions not justified by reality.”
        Surprisingly, the ads did not even mention climate change. That may have reflected its significant plunge as a voter priority, from 37 percent in November 2013 to just 28 percent by September 2014.
        However, the omission may also have reflected the fact that Mr. Steyer’s deep pockets were lined mostly by coal money. As Left Exposed investigative reporter Ron Arnold notes, Mr. Steyer founded the hedge fund firm Farallon Capital Management, personally oversaw unprecedented investments in Asian and Australian coal mines and coal-fired power plants, and amassed a $1.6-billion personal fortune.

        More from above and the news report gets even worse from Steyer’s angle!
        And I can barely think of a more deserving arrogant, filthy rich and totally hypocritical hard left green blob B***** for it to happen to!

        The political gun was being quietly loaded by the American “deplorables” right through Obama’s presidency [ A "presidency" that in results and importance to America historically only deserves a small "p" ] and Trump was seen by middle America as somebody who would take that political gun and use it on behalf of that middle America.
        And using it he is as he busily pulls the trigger and cuts down all those leftist and the progressive’s golden shibboleths that were fixed for eternity and were beyond challenge as believed by so many of the progressive cult.

        BT, the progressives intended to shape the whole World in their own delusional image and fantasy created chimeras they had of their own vastly superior selves.

        And now they have nothing except the long sour bitter taste of the ashes of what they thought they had total control over and would control forever.

        [ BT="Before Trump" ]

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    TdeF

    Right now our faux and very Green Prime Minister has tried to pull a trick on Donald Trump, dumping his problems on the US. Trump is was not amused with this man who flew to Peru to get a selfie with ex President Barack Obama and hung up on him. Turnbull’s foreign minister assures us that we will survive Trump. They won’t. Can we have our real Prime Minister back, the one who gets on so well with everyone and calls Climate Change crap?

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      TdeF

      Everyone except the ABC/SBS media giant who closed shop and have moved to harbourside Sydney to be with their boss. They should be back at work by now after the big summer break. Abbott could swap stories about the media with Trump as well.

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        el gordo

        William Bowe (The Poll Bludger) says One Nation is reaching double figures and ‘the polling evidence so far this year suggests a turn for the worse for the Turnbull government.’

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          TdeF

          One Nation is the beneficiary of the anger with our Faux government, more Green than the Greens.

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          TdeF

          Since Australia’s one seat Green government was elected, I have wondered about how much Malcolm ‘gave’ the Liberal Party. Now he says the rumours are true and he ‘gave’ $1.75Million probably because donations dried up when he grabbed power. Even then he would have lost for Victoria’s appalling Daniel Andrews where the Liberals did not lose one seat. Perhaps Banker Malcolm has only loaned the money, so any donor to the Liberal party will see the money go straight back to Malcolm?

          That is why I read with interest the published list of major donors to both parties. It exist so the public knows who has influence, perhaps undue influence. However they were gifts and remarkably Malcolm is not listed.

          Is it legal for a rich individual to have that sort of influence over the party, to loan millions to his own party? Is Or am I missing something but it looks like Malcolm has bought his own party, Turnbull’s Liberals.

          The inevitable question is, does the debt fall due if he is fired?

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            el gordo

            Around Xmas the left were happy to bully Turnbull, but now they are defending him against the ‘arrogance’ of Trump.

            Hilarious!

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            TdeF

            Someone has suggested that Malcolm ‘gave’ the $1.75Million on July 1st 2016, so avoiding this AEC summary of political donations. Andrew Bolt today wrote that the money was given in 2016 and denied. So perhaps it was given in 2017. The question is how many strings were attached, legally. I have never known bankers or lawyers to give away cash without strings.

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      Dennis

      According to Andrew Bolt today the NSW Liberal HQ is working to dump him as the candidate for his electorate which reminds me about PM Turnbull stacking branches in his now electorate of Wentworth to get rid of the sitting Liberal MP. And then funding the North Sydney by election Liberal campaign to get his chosen candidate elected, Zimmerman who was a North Sydney Councillor.

      Recently the wife of the Liberal Party NSW HQ president Michael Photios was reported as having resigned in protest about her belief that the federal Liberals were not moving quickly enough on climate change.

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      Analitik

      I was laughing so much during the news that my wife got annoyed. :D
      EVERYTHING about the phone call is hilarious.

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    PeterS

    Interesting bit of news from Trump today:

    Do you believe it? The Obama Administration agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from Australia. Why? I will study this dumb deal!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827002559122567168

    It’s clear that Turnbull can’t get anything right. His ideas are so stale and out of touch with reality in all respects not just climate change and renewables it’s not funny anymore. HE MUST GO!

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      Oh Obama,
      impersonating Merkel,
      first purpose of guvuhmint’s
      to protect the cits
      from foreign threats
      and terrorists,
      - isn’t it?

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      Egor the One

      Agreed, ‘the esteemed one’ should fall on his sword.

      In fact most of our politicians are duds, being expert in only ‘the art of the Dumbest Deals’!

      Where is our Donald ?….What haven’t our elected imbeciles stuffed up??

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      TdeF

      Plus the fact that he hung up on Malcolm. That’s was undiplomatic.

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        TdeF

        The meeting went for 25 minutes instead of the scheduled hour. Still having just spoken to Putin and Abe in Japan and Merkel in Germany, I think Trump may have had enough but the Australia call should have been the friendly, easy one. The last thing Trump wanted was Australia to dump Middle Eastern refugees on him at this point. Talk about bad timing, plus the fact that Malcolm was such a backer of the Democrats and Shorten said Trump was ‘barking mad’. The only one Trump would be happy to talk to is the one who actually stopped the boats despite total opposition from the media, Abbott.

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          Rod Stuart

          TdeF
          I hope you caught the Rowan Dean segment on the Bolt report last night.
          It was hilarious.
          Dean gave Turnbull a sever tongue lashing over the remarks he made before November 8, then the endorsement of the Paris excrement the day after, and his insolence in making this arrangement with the lame duck president AFTER the election.
          The Mel Brooks movie “Spaceballs” was a parody of the movie “Star Wars”. If Mel Brooks were alive today he could make a parody on reality and call it “Turdballs”.

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        Raven

        . . undiplomatic . .

        Well OK, but was it Donald who called Malcolm?
        Don’t forget that when Donald won the election Malcolm had to get Trumps phone number from Greg Norman.
        My, how we laughed and laughed . .

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        Egor the One

        Who would want to hear from a waffling Wentworth Wanker and CAGW flogger ?

        I would hang up on such a big bank lackey and sellout also, and in 25 seconds not 25 minutes!

        Turnbull is not fit to polish the Donald’s shoes!

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      bobl

      I agree, where has Turnbull been hiding the last year? To expect Trump to pick up some lefty refugee deal just to make chairman mal look good!

      It was as clear as crystal to me that Trump is a whole new deal. I would have called the president and said, hey, we had this deal with Obama, but given your current policy we expect you might want to renegotiate. We have this problem in our detention centres, you have this problem in yours, let’s do a deal.

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      AndyG55

      I suspect that Trump will arrange to take a very long time to process each one of these Australian sourced refugees.

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      PeterS

      He should have realised after Trump won the election he would have much trouble getting Trump to follow through with the swap. Then there was Trump’s withdrawal from the TPP but Turnbull going on as if nothing has changed, and Trump’s withdrawal from the Paris climate change agreement and again Turnbull going on as if nothing has changed. Clearly Turnbull is a clown or just plain dumb. Not sure which yet. Perhaps he is both.

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        PhilJourdan

        The problem with Turnbull is the same as with the left in this country as well as the YSM. They view Trump as just another politician. And that is both their shortsightedness and their downfall. He is a Businessman. And until they realize that, they will continue to be 10 steps behind him.

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    1 Feb: Buzzfeed: Dino Grandoni: Rex Tillerson Took A Different Tone On Climate Change When The Cameras Were Off
    “The overall sense you get is that he is continually trying not to answer the questions. He is trying to give himself as much free rein as possible.”
    But with the cameras turned off, Tillerson took a different tone.
    In responses to written questions from at least two senators, Tillerson questioned the consensus among climate scientists about humanity’s role in warming the planet — including some scientists who work for ExxonMobil, the company Tillerson ran for a decade. He also doubled back spoken testimony that said the United States should remain in the Paris climate accord.
    Tillerson’s responses to these two senators, Ben Cardin of Maryland and Jeff Merkley of Oregon, are not yet public but were obtained by BuzzFeed News. The offices of both senators confirmed that the answers to their questionnaires are real.
    On Wednesday, the Senate voted 56 to 43 to confirm Tillerson as secretary of state…

    Indeed, Tillerson did give a different articulation in one of his written responses, saying increasing carbon emissions were not “key” to understanding the rise in global temperatures.
    “I agree with the consensus view that combustion of fossil fuels is a leading cause for increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere,” he wrote to Cardin. “I understand these gases to be a factor in rising temperature, but I do not believe the scientific consensus supports their characterization as the ‘key’ factor.”…

    But again in a written response, Tillerson gave himself and his future boss room to waver.
    “The United States should decide to join an international agreement based on its own national interests and not the interests or opinions of other nations,” Tillerson wrote in response to a question from Merkley about maintaining “global leadership” in the Paris Agreement.
    Then he gave an out: The US shouldn’t stay in the agreement if it hurts business.
    “If confirmed,” Tillerson continued, “I will support U.S. membership in only those international agreements that advance our national interest and do not cause harm to the American people or our economic competitiveness.”…
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/dinograndoni/rex-tillerson-climate-change

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    31 Jan: The Hill: Climate change denial is not dead
    By Michael E. Mann
    Trump is in the process of putting together a climate change denial dream team to run his administration…
    It is difficult to keep up with this dizzying ongoing assault on science…
    The rest of the world is moving ahead in meeting its obligations under the Paris climate accord, and countries like China have indicated they are more than willing to fill the void in leadership if Trump reneges on our Paris obligations…
    Yet any continued delays in efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions might well commit us to more than six feet of sea level rise and massive coastal flooding, more devastating storms, historic deluges and crippling summer heat and drought…
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/energy-environment/317102-climate-denial-is-dead-long-live-climate-denial

    31 Jan: Reuters: Luciano Costa: Brazil solar energy drive stalled by high costs, strict rules
    A government plan to spur the construction of solar energy farms in Brazil is faltering because of high costs, strict rules requiring local components and low-priced competition from Chinese suppliers, say regulators and power sector executives.
    Developers had been excited about solar power’s potential in a continent-sized country with 200 million consumers and plentiful sunlight. But many have grown discouraged, and the government’s three-year-old program is moving so slowly that the national development bank is taking another look at rules that require a minimum amount of locally made components in projects…
    “Investors are disheartened,” says Armando Abreu, director of Braselco, an energy consultancy in the northeastern city of Fortaleza. “Many of these projects, in my opinion and that of many others, probably won’t get off the drawing board.”
    Even if the current program were successful, more than doubling the current supply of solar-generated power, it would still amount to only about 2 percent of Brazil’s total electricity matrix…
    Brazil’s historically high interest rates make long-term commercial loans for big energy projects prohibitive, and power sector officials say foreign lenders are wary of exchange-rate risks, especially during Brazil’s worst recession on record…

    “Everybody was betting on BNDES (Brazil’s development bank) financing,” says João Victor Ferraz, an energy specialist at consulting firm E&Y. “Now they are all desperate.”
    Companies including Grupo Cobra, Fotowatio, Renova Energia SA and Rio Alto Energia are negotiating with the government to cancel their licenses and avoid fines for delays…
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-power-solar-idUSKBN15F2L8

    1 Feb: CarbonPulse: German broker Advantag sees further decline in CO2 trading after dismal H2 2016
    German broker Advantag AG saw its carbon volumes dwindle further in the second half of 2016, resulting in another year-on-year fall in trading turnover and leading it to consider ***other business avenues…

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      toorightmate

      Most of Brazil’s power is generated in the north (Amazon hydro).
      The majority of people and industry are located in the south of the country. Hence, they are very big on transmission.
      I’ll bet the transmission guys are really excited about intermittent solar and wind power being introduced.
      They have done some stupid things in Brazil over the last couple of centuries. Wind and solar power rank with the most stupid.

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    pat

    1 Feb: MercuryNews: Paul Rogers: Sierra Nevada snowpack is biggest in 22 years — and more snow is on the way
    California Gov. Jerry Brown isn’t likely to amend or rescind the state’s emergency drought declaration until April
    After a month of huge blizzards and “atmospheric river” storms, the Sierra Nevada snowpack — source of a third of California’s drinking water — is 177 percent of the historic average, the biggest in more than two decades…
    In a breathtaking shift for a state that had been mired in five years of punishing drought, 25 feet of new snow has fallen on Heavenly ski resort in South Lake Tahoe since New Year’s Day. Freeways and schools across the Sierra have been closed at times, and firefighters are having trouble finding fire hydrants.
    “Some are buried under 12 or 13 feet of snow,” said Eric Guevin, fire marshal at the Tahoe-Douglas Fire Protection District in Zephyr Cove, Nevada, just north of the California state line. “We’ve had to use metal detectors to find them.”
    After a week to dry off, a new round of storms is set to roll into California. A Pacific system will dump up to 3 more feet of new snow in the Sierra by this weekend…
    The storms have filled reservoirs around the state. And as the year progresses and the snow melts, the runoff will send billions of gallons of additional water into rivers, streams, groundwater tables and reservoirs…
    “After going through five years of drought and low snowpack, initially people up here were really excited and enthused,” said Fuentes, of the National Weather Service. “We really need the water. But after a point, people started to get a little tired of it and wanted a break. It’s kind of a mixed bag. There can be too much of a good thing.”
    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/01/sierra-nevada-snowpack-is-biggest-in-22-years-and-more-is-on-the-way/

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      PeterS

      Yes, imagine what we could do if we had dams and man-made lakes to catch the waters in such areas. Even a child would think of it but our politicians would rather talk than act.

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        philthegeek

        yes, imagine what we could do if we had dams and man-made lakes to catch the waters in such areas.

        Yup turn the rivers and streams up there into toxic sediment filled drains, feed it all into Colins Canal, and ship it south. wot fun.

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    pat

    2 Feb: Yale Daily News: Lewis Ho: Workshops fire up students against Trump
    Last Friday, Yale students, staff and faculty held their first weekly workshop on organized opposition to President Donald Trump’s administration.
    These Fired Up Fridays sessions provide opportunities for Yale community members to learn how to be effective activists. Organized by participants of the post-election Law School gathering in November, these sessions are part of a continued effort to organize and act in response to the political situation brought about by Trump’s presidency…
    Kaveh Khoshnood SPH ’89 GRD ’95: “I think when you see that entire reports on ***climate change are being removed from the White House website, it’s a wake-up call for us in academia that business as usual may not be effective if you care about not just doing the research but seeing an impact on policy and people’s lives.”…
    http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/02/02/workshops-fire-up-students-against-trump/

    31 Jan: Hotair: Jazz Shaw: D.C. sandwich chain owner learns there’s nothing liberals won’t boycott
    If you’re a liberal these days, you may have trouble keeping up with all of the new actions coming out of the Trump White House which enrage you. If you’re a conservative you’ve probably already lost track of the number of things the liberals are marching, protesting about, condemning and boycotting. On that last point you can now add one more to the list. The evil ownership of Taylor Gourmet, a local chain of hoagie shops around the Beltway, has gone too far and drawn the ire of progressive activists…
    So what has Patten done to enrage the Left? Did he endorse the travel ban? Pay his female employees less? Offer to feed the workers when they start building the wall? Nope. He was photographed shaking Donald Trump’s hand after a ceremony announcing new White House initiatives to boost small businesses. And that was enough to let slip the hounds of protest. (Washington Post)…
    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/31/d-c-sandwich-chain-owner-learns-theres-nothing-liberals-wont-boycott/

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    StefanL

    …and prosecuted for turning food into ethanol.

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    Carbon500

    An interesting video presentation with Myron Ebell answering questions.
    I notice that there was no response to the graph presenting model projections compared with real world satellite data.
    I think that most of the journalists present need to learn how to speak properly and project their voices in public – i.e. speak more slowly, loudly, and clearly! In many cases their declarations as to which newspaper they represented were hurriedly mumbled, as were their questions.

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    ROM

    The carnival is about to move on to the next gig so I’m late again!

    There are many aspects of the so called progressives anti-Trump hate campaign that remind me very much of the “Five Stages of Grief“.
    .

    The election of Trump, the rank outsider in a race between the an old political mare well versed in the subtleties of destroying the chances of any other horse winning the race, and what was according to the MSM and every single one of the most “expert” [ ??? ] political pundits, a near dead broken down old brewery horse, was a total and complete shock to the entire monolithic, insider controlled political structure of the USA and of most of the western World.

    The dreams, the intentions, the plans, the proposals, the licking of lips and the planned wording of the next grant funding application and the smiles at all that taxpayer funded moola about to cascade down once again on the heads of the progressive left was suddenly and violently, in a political sense, uprooted and destroyed in those few hours of the American election day.

    So what does any hairless ape; aka Green progressive blob member do but go into a deep funk and begin the devastating grieving process at what might have been but is now probably lost forever at least in [ politically correct non sexist term] “its” lifetime.
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    The Five Stages of Grief;

    The five stages, denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance are a part of the framework that makes up the progression of grief

    Denial
    Trump didn’t win the Presidency because Clinton won the largest number of votes.

    [ Now discarded in the MSM as that didn't work or make any difference ]
    .

    Anger

    Marching and violent demonstrating and much shouting of foul descriptions of Trump.
    [ He's still there and still causing mayhem in the leftist green progressive 's oh so carefully constructed world of self aggrandisation. ]
    .

    Bargaining;

    Just getting under way in Congress and the Senate as some Congressmen and Senators begin to call for calm and to do some political dealing as well as some of the MSM as the reality sets in that President Trump is here to stay and that the polls are starting to say that folks are becoming sick of the progressives and Democrats behaviour and it is all beginning to back fire on the progressives and Democrats ]
    .

    Depression

    Still to come but some signs already beginning to appear of depression about the political realities of 4 years at least of a Trump Presidency are beginning to appear; eg; Steyer as in an above post #47.1.1 blows $174 million and has nothing to show for it so ups stakes and goes looking for new political pastures.
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    Acceptance

    Maybe another couple of months off but the lefts / progressive political grieving process is well under way and acceptance by the majority of Americans of a Trump Presidency will eventuate in the not very distant future as it has with all American Presidents.

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      Ernest Bush

      I do not believe the left in the U.S. will ever get over this election. The very organization they were going to use to turn the U.S. to Socialism, the EPA, has been snatched out of their grasp. The newly appointed EPA director will be approved shortly whether the Democrats show up to vote or not. The money earmarked for many Greenie organizations has been frozen. The decisions made by that agency are going to be speeding up and will favor approving cheap energy sources. The employees will be forced to live within their mandate. The whole CO2 is a poisonous gas thing has already been turned off.

      On a side note, a demonstration at the University of California Berkeley campus against a conservative speaker turned into violence last night. Many of the Trump supporters across the country are thinking “Burn, baby, Burn” about this. One hopes the destruction includes the classrooms where these very students were taught that violent protest against the American way of life is OK. I am not alone in this kind of thinking. The divide between the middle of our country and the two coasts, particularly the Left Coast, is that large and it will not be easily healed.

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    cedarhill

    What Obama did with a pen, Trump can undo as easily. It merely depends on what PR approach he chooses.

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    doubtingdave

    I’m not a Malcom Talksbull fan , and I am not an Aussie , but this latest refugee spat is nothing more than an attempt to discredit Trump by the left wing media , they don’t care if it means having to humiliate Australians and use your leader as a patsy in their anti Trump agenda , so get behind Malcolm Turnbull on this one and tell the likes of Sky news and the Washington post etc to shove their subscription and contracts up where the sun doesn’t shine ( if you have any ).

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Dave. As I saw it. This deal came so soon after the election that it must have been set up before the election in the expectation of dealing with Obama and Clinton. But.

      Carrying it through is “mud in your eye”. Trump is managing it very well. The commentariat, as usual, are not. They will learn eventually. He will teach them.

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        Rod Stuart

        I got into a vehicle this morning and the radio was tuned to their ABC.
        They were talking about this issue and the ABC person said that “the world must learn to deal with an unpredictable POTUS”.
        UNPREDICTABLE?
        Who did they ask for a prediction, Flannelpants?
        Trumps reacts to being call names by not only Turncoat, but Shorty pants, the NOSE that walks like a man, and every member of the establishment, a snealky deal made with Ol’ Bummer and endorsing the Paris excrement angrily is “unpredictable”????
        What planet do these talking heads occupy? What are they smoking?

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      el gordo

      ‘… so get behind Malcolm Turnbull…’

      We cannot, let the MSM savage him.

      Turnbull, Bishop, Hunt and Morrison (the gang of four) forced a coup and disemboweled the conservative right of the party.
      The coup leader then snuggled up with the pseudo Marxists and the Coalition narrowly won, leaving half the party out in the cold.

      Trump is perfectly correct in knocking these refugees back and Talcum is an idiot for failing to comprehend that the world has been turned upside down.
      Obama should be ashamed of himself for creating this mess.

      So I’m in favour of creating a camp (three star accommodation) in the Simpson Desert as an ideal spot for the refugees to learn Oz culture and language.
      No barbed wire fences required.

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    Ernest Bush

    The Union of Concerned Scientists now includes a dog amongst its membership. There is no vetting of members, so to use the word scientists in their name is another example of typical U.S. leftists misuse of that word. The dog belongs to Anthony Watts of WUWT, but he has removed that post, so his dog might have been expelled as soon as that organization was made aware of his post. So don’t give the Union of Concerned “Scientists” credibility when they talk about science. I would not be surprised or concerned to learn that they are receiving funding from George Soros.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Ernest. Here in Oz we had “The Wentworth Group of Concerned Scientists”. A hand picked bunch of Green academics, picked by the president of the Australian branch of WWF for Nature, a lad who suffered from the embarrassment of too much inherited wealth.

      For years this “Wentworth Group” was consulted by the commentariat as the fountain of knowledge, but you can bet that none of the commentariat knew who “Wentworth” was. Wentworth was the pub where they had their big nosh up.

      Before retiring that night Comrade Tim posted on the WWF website his “Blueprint for a Living Australia”. It was hastily revised with the return of sobriety next day.

      Surely never was so much mileage gained from a booze up.

      Somewhere I have copies of the original and edited versions of that “Blueprint”. I must dig them out.

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        ianl8888

        Somewhere I have copies of the original and edited versions of that “Blueprint”. I must dig them out

        Oh, yes please :)

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    observa

    What Myron Ebell pointed out so succinctly was the ‘Pause’ which was not predicted by all the computer climate models, occurred at the same time as 30% of all man made CO2 emitted since the Industrial Revolution occurred and left the rational listener to conclude the link between global warming and CO2 was a very weak one. Particularly so if you know the CSIRO estimated average global sea level rise over the 20th century at 1.6mm/yr, whereas the geology of Hallett Cove in South Australia can demonstrate an average sea level rise of 16.25mm/yr over 8000 years beginning some 15000 years ago. ie when aboriginals could walk across Gulf St Vincent to Edithburgh and on land well south of Kangaroo Island. No-one seems to be suggesting that was caused by aboriginal cooking fires or traditional burnoffs to flush out game but somehow they’re extracting man made snow and ice melting from under a tenth of that rate nowadays with their computer models. Marvellous things computers. 

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    Oliver K. Manuel

    Trump may end the 71-year alliance of George Soros with the UN and UNAS (united national academies of sciences)

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2017/02/02/big-brother-george-soros-web-is-unraveling/

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    scotsmaninutah

    Paris agreement – it’s a trap

    The conditions for leaving the Paris agreement were a legal trap in that the 4 year timeline was designed around the length of time each government was in office ( i.e. American Presidents).

    America could leave the 1992 convention framework instead ( 1 year) .. that would void the Paris agreement aswell.

    Defunding is IMO a better choice :D

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      doubtingdave

      so why not do what Trump is doing , instead of pulling out of the Paris agreement , just ignore it .

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    nicholas tesdorf

    The Warmistas just cannot believe what they are hearing, as they have been fed a diet of worms for so long that they do not believe in the existence of the real World any longer. No matter how often they are told what Trump is going to do, they keep on asking questions that show that they do not comprehend what is going o in the real World.

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      el gordo

      They are still in shock, but they will come around eventually and we have most of the answers.

      What we are witnessing is a psychological paradigm shift and its a joy to behold.

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        Donald Trump’s become a circuit breaker
        of the Gramsci long-march through institutions
        and its pervasive green-medja echo-chamber.

        Cli-sci predictions? Humans,good at innovation,
        are not so good at predicting the future,
        black swan events being likely to confound.

        But there’s a tide in the affairs of men,
        when taken at the flood may lead to fortune.
        Will Donald Trump succeed? no guarantees -

        But where we were was bound in shallows
        and in miseries. On a full sea now
        are we, afloat and we must take the current
        when it serves – or lose the venture.

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    Bartender UK

    A soft answer turneth away wrath, but also lies, fear and deception (propaganda). Their heads must be spinning.

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