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BREAKING Nicolas Sarkozy, former President of France now climate skeptic, will run again

President Nicolas Sarcozy

Nicolas Sarcozy

This is big. The French press today is full of stories on the former President Nicolas Sarkozy “coming out as a skeptic”. He’s running again for President, and can see the ocean of votes in speaking out against political correctness.   Sarcozy will have watched the rise of Marine Le Pen and of Donald Trump. The game has changed.

Pandering to the Global Bullies no longer works. Once the fear of being called a “climate denier” is gone, there is nothing to stop half of the political divide from a phase change. (Well, nothing at least apart from lobbying, donations and gifts from the $1.5 Trillion dollar Green Machine). The Brexit shock spreads. Democracy is not dead yet.   — Hat tips to Phillip and to Benoît. ROM.

French voters will get a real choice:

Sarkozy comes out of the closet as a climate skeptic

Presidential hopeful Nicolas Sarkozy reckons that climate change is not caused by man and that the world has far bigger problems on its hands than global warming.

Nicolas Sarkozy, who is fighting to regain the presidency that he lost to François Hollande in 2012, has finally come out of the closet as a climate skeptic.

Speaking in front of business leaders Sarkozy, a candidate for Les Republicains party primary in November, told them that man alone was not to blame for climate change.

“Climate has been changing for four billion years,” the former president said according to AFP. “Sahara has become a desert, it isn’t because of industry. You need to be as arrogant as men are to believe we changed the climate.”

 

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Is Nicolas Sarkozy turning into Donald Trump?

The former French president who hopes to win the right-wing nomination for another shot at the top job has already shown himself adept at Trump’s populist game, playing communities off against one another in his own interest. Yesterday, Sarko was speaking to French business leaders and he said that it was simply arrogant to claim that the human race was responsible for climate change. “The climate has been changing for four billion years,” said the Republican leader, “but it wasn’t industry that turned the Sahara into a desert.”

Sarkozy told his audience that, in fact, population growth is a far more serious threat to the planet than pollution. “There’ll be 11 billion of us in a few years. Man is directly responsible. But nobody takes any interest,” he went on to say.

Back in 2007, Sarkozy assured a different audience that “we have to have the courage to define our policies while recognising that we cannot ignore the climate challenge, unless we want to destroy the very conditions upon which human survival depends.”

  The email from France today:

Dear all,
This is a news that deserves to be spread: Nicolas Sarkozy, the former president of France (2007-2012) who will possibly run again for president next year, said yesterday that he is now a climate-skeptic. This is a game changer here, since France did never have any significant political voice on our side of the climate debate. Most of the mainstream French newspapers are writing on this today. I’ve put some comments on the issue on my blog here (in French, but I think the news is so important that it would deserve an English text from the skeptic side):

Also for French readers, you will find on my blog some comments on the wonderful London Conference (again, Niklas: thank you so much!)

Regards to all,
Benoît.

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124 comments to BREAKING Nicolas Sarkozy, former President of France now climate skeptic, will run again

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    ROM

    Darn!
    I just posted that a minute or so ago in your just past “History Rewritten” post, Jo!
    h/t to You too ROM. Thanks. – Jo

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    Yonniestone

    Vive la denier!

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    Just this moment been reading Lubos Motl’s blog on Sarkozy
    on the record. A cupboard sceptic, perhaps. Did not support
    Klaus Havel says Motl and publicly stated that climate change
    was a problem. Says Motl:

    ‘Sarkozy’s silence has contributed to a bad outcome. Despite
    the cooling hysteria after 2007, the work on the policies
    and suppression of the civilized society justified by the
    climate panic has continued. Ironically enough, the successor
    of the Kyoto treaty carries the name of Paris. It’s nominally
    an agreement without clear global commitments and consequences.
    But indirectly, due to the change of the political equilibrium
    that the treaty brings, and because of the effective cooperation between climate alarmist fanatics in different countries that
    this treaty enables, it will probably cost the world trillions
    of dollars.

    These are trillions of dollars you could have saved, mess-yeah Sarkozy, or dollars you have helped to waste. Sometimes it’s
    costly to be a stunning coward. Well, yes, I realize that it
    wasn’t costly for you, mess-yeah Sarkozy.’

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      And Sarcozky was part of the problem. For that reason I did not say “onyaNic”. The man was President, he could have said something. But that aside, this is still great for skeptics. The “Overton window” is shifting. With every public figure that speaks up and every election candidate, the ground shifts away from the fake “consensus” maintained by righteous indignation.

      In the most unchivalrous view — that he is cynically seeking votes — rather than any sincere intent — at least democracy is running the show from the base up. It’s so much better to have fake pollies dancing to the public tune…

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        Yonniestone

        “It’s so much better to have fake pollies dancing to the public tune…”

        This will take us back to the “Complacency to Apathy” stage….yay. ;)

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        ivan

        I think that he still is part of the problem. The only reason he is saying this is because, as you said in your introduction, Marine Le Pen is leading the way and he wants some of the action.

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        ianl8888

        … he is cynically seeking votes …

        You haven’t taken it far enough.

        Of course he sees voting blocks responding to his change of stance, although whether there are enough votes to make a difference I cannot say; I suspect not.

        The real point though, is: why should one trust him ? Motl doesn’t. If elected, why shouldn’t he just change his mind, with due sombre references to consensus science, of course ?

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        sophocles

        He has a very sensitive political nose and a thick—high denier number—skin.

        where denier = den-ee-er

        denier:
        noun
        noun: denier; plural noun: deniers

        1.
        a unit of weight by which the fineness of silk, rayon, or nylon yarn is measured, equal to the weight in grams of 9,000 metres of the yarn and often used to describe the thickness of hosiery.
        “15-denier stockings”
        2.
        a former French coin, equal to one twelfth of a sou, which was withdrawn in the 19th century.

        Origin
        late Middle English: via Old French from Latin denarius (see denarius). Sense 1 dates from the mid 19th century.

        :-)

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    rapscallion

    I don’t believe Sarkozy for a second. Like all politicians he’s detected which way the wind is blowing. With the French Presidential elections next year this is pure and simple vote chasing. He needs to sway the voters that might vote for Marine Le Pen. Bear in mind that this is a man who said that we would HAVE to accept a multi-racial future not so long ago, but only just in the last week has tried to look as if he’s coming down hard in immigration. Anybody who falls for this arrant drivel needs to have their bumps felt.

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      Yonniestone

      You had me at ‘bumps felt’…but seriously you’re correct in his policy retractions are purely self serving political stunts, closely aligned to party switching.

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      Dear rapscallion,
      What you say may be true, and I can see your point. But we have to be able to ‘give permission’ to people who were either full-believers in CAGW, or partial believers, or secret doubters, or closet skeptics to come out and change their minds.
      And what is necessarily wrong if he is being opportunist – seeing a groundswell in public opinion? What needs to happen if democracy is to work, is that the professional political classes to see, and react to, the sway of public opinion. All the better if they are also reacting to the sway of scientifically measured data, knowledge of cycles, recognition of the limitations of models, history and awareness of the fact that the earth’s climate has never been in a static state for long periods.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        I agree, David.

        When politicians sense and follow the group wisdom of the population, you have democracy.

        When politicians seek to impose their own desires, whilst ignoring the population, you have dictatorship.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          We have sunk so low that pre election promises are meaningless. The people causing our problems are quite capable of believing they can reverse the rotation of the world before they are called to account at the next election.

          It would be safer to remember that a leopard can’t change its spots.

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            mike restin

            We have sunk so low that pre election promises are meaningless.

            Overall, I’d say pre election promises have always been meaningless…Pretty much always!

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        Tony Porter

        You are quite right sir… Anyone deserves the benefit of doubt: many former believers in CAGW ideology have crossed the floor and joined us, including the very owner of this blog.

        Any brainwashed greenie who starts to question CAGW junk-science, or expresses even a little doubt over the garbage they’d been fed, for so long and had always accepted as gospel truth: should be strongly encouraged to keep questioning it, (and answering their questions of course), in order to totally convince them to forget the nonsense and start their brains up again – instead of blindly chanting the same old morbid mantra of the CAGW Alarmism faith…

        Of course it’s more than likely this ‘Sarkozy’ character is only driven by political incentives – vote fishing, however, ANYONE who stands to win a powerful position such as that is certainly worth the risk – what is there to lose? Even if he turns out to be a complete phony, he couldn’t possibly be any worse than his CAGW faithful opposition.

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        Asp

        So if we are seeking politicians, who are guided by the groundswell of public opinion, there is no need of leadership?
        If all we are seeking is a reflection of public opinion, we could dispense with politicians and have decisions made by online opinion polls.

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          Hasbeen

          Too right Asp, the last thing we need is “LEADERS”.

          Leaders, Hitler, Starlin, Chairman Mao Tse-tung & Churchill were all LEADERS, & look at how many they killed between them.

          I’ll take a manager anytime, & give those who want to be leaders the big flick.

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          Dear asp,
          It might just so happen, if you are looking for leaders, that the leaders might just emerge from the public.

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            michael hart

            …and it would be more inspiring if the current generation of political “leaders” actually lead by example.

            But instead we get a cornucopia of greenalists who conference-fly around the world telling the less fortunate to use less fossil fuels. Go figure, as they say.

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        rapscallion

        Point taken David. My issue with opportunists like Sarko is that there is no conviction. Look at the owner of this Blog for example. She has the courage of her convictions – right or wrong, but she stands by them. This is being done for purely political reasons. Given that most of FN voters tend to be anti AGW, then he is pitching for their votes. Be in no doubt that Sarko will not change anything should he become President unless he absolutely has to. Public opinion only goes so far, and if politicians in the West have any sense they will start listening to their populations soon. If they don’t, the French will be the first on the streets – and then they really are in trouble.

        For Tony Porter – I’ve stopped giving politicians the benefit of the doubt. Their first instinct is to lie, even if the truth is harmless. Clinton being a perfect case in point. She encapsulates, if you will, pretty much most “Western” politicians. You get a “form of words” that are deliberately vague, and full of platitudes and mean precisely nothing.

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          Dear Rapscallion,
          A great point you make about conviction. At this stage we don’t know the true level of his (Sarcozky’s) conviction. The only point I would make is that the people with the greatest conviction are often those who have changed their position on something.

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      handjive

      I am with Rapscallion.
      “I don’t believe Sarkozy for a second.”

      Here is Sarkozy, saying he doesn’t “believe”, but still pushing the eugenics:
      Sarkozy comes out of the closet as a climate skeptic

      “The former president believes the world should be concentrating on the rise in the population and movement of people rather than worrying so much about global warming.

      “Never has the earth experienced such a demographic shock as it is about to, because in a few years there will be 11 billion of us. And man is directly responsible in this case but nobody talks about it,” Sarkozy said.”
      ~ ~ ~
      Sarkozy can act directly on that overpopulation problem by visiting his doctor for a self-assisted suicide note with the rest of his family.
      . . .
      Tony Heller aka Steve Goddard is Correct:

      Why Malcolm Roberts Is So Important

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        tom0mason

        Excellent point handjive.
        Je dit, et moi auci.

        It looks like a cynical political move just to spoil the Marine Le Pen Nationalist’s platform, destabilizing the Frexit argument on which Marine has been winning.
        Sarkozy says doesn’t believe in ‘AGW and climate change™’ but he believes in the reason for its existence — population is a problem, is now ‘out of control’.

        Politics — plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

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      Geoffrey Williams

      I hope that we can trust Sarkosy to act on his word. After all, if he makes these statements now, and people vote for him, then they will expect him to do as much. Whatever, we will find out soon enough. He has to be elected first.
      GeoffW

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        Say. why do I keep thinking of Rudd? (

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          john karajas

          Oh! Are we talking about the greatest moral issue of our time, here? Do you remember him saying that about “Climate change”?

          Chris Mitchell, former editor of “The Australian”, quotes Kevin Rudd as recently saying about his chairmanship of The Global Forum on Water Quality and Sanitation (or something similar) “I am the Minister For Shit”. Lovely isn’t it? A really important issue affecting so many of our fellow human beings but, no, his Ruddship felt demeaned by holding that particular chairmanship. Precious, precious, precious!

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      He may also have had time to read up on why he had failed before. You just need to open your eyes and mind, while not having staffers telling you what the ‘Party’ line had to be. Maybe he has read WUWT!

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    Davidsb

    Ye Gods!

    The French midget sees through one suit of Emperor’s clothes:-

    …he said that it was simply arrogant to claim that the human race was responsible for climate change…

    Only to praise another suit of Emperor’s clothes:-

    … population growth is a far more serious threat to the planet than pollution…

    Give me strength!

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      greggg

      The fact is that reducing human population is the best thing we can do for the planet and everything on it. Sure, we can keep breeding like dumb animals, and it may be more sustainable than some may like us to believe, but it is still the best thing we can do in the long term. Less (real) pollution, resources last longer, and more room!

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        Yonniestone

        You are touting the “Malthusian catastrophe” line.

        Milton Friedman consistently gave examples of nations that had strong capitalist economies had a happier secure population that didn’t have the need to “breed like dumb animals” as opposed to third world countries that commonly have a succession of failed government systems and economies leading to higher infant mortality rates and the need to breed excessively beyond their means.

        “A society that puts equality—in the sense of equality of outcome—ahead of
        freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom.… On the other hand,
        a society that puts freedom first will, as a happy by-product, end up with both
        greater freedom and greater equality.”

        Milton knew what was best for the long term, look him up.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        People in third world countries have a higher birth, per capita, than people in first world countries.

        It is a form of insurance, for one thing. The more kids you have, the more likely it will be that you have kin to look after you in your dotage.

        People born into first world countries have the social and economic structures to look after the aged, so less insurance through family size is needed.

        Birth rate is not the cause. It is a result of social economics.

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          Alice Thermopolis

          AGE OF PENSION over

          There could be a problem here, Mr Whakaaro.

          According to this BBC Inquiry program, pension funds have “just realised they have paid too much to too many, and the too many are also living too long.”

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p045lh2n

          UK has a stg one trillion unfunded pension liability. USA is even worse. As for the EU, the millions of refugees continuing to flood in had better hurry.

          The Age of the Pension is coming to an end.

          Hobbes described the unrelenting slog of human existence as “nasty, brutish and short.” He was wrong. It is shaping up to be “nasty, brutish and long.”

          If so, does that mean birthrates in the West will increase over time?

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            tom0mason

            Alice Thermopolis,

            Surely these pension problems are just their local difficulty caused by a lack of foresight by pension fund managers and national governments.
            Hopefully newly developing nations will learn by others mistakes (now that is a big ask!).

            In general as a country grows from poverty to a better level of wealth the population rate falls. Depending on wealth distribution.
            A nation’s growing middle class tends to be a reasonably good indicator of adequate wealth distribution and usually has the effect of lowering population growth.

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              Alice Thermopolis

              There is, however, no “law” of demographic transition.

              The dramatic LDC mortality declines since 1950 in many countries was not accompanied by gradual economic development. When it occurred fertility often remained high due to other factors – access to improved health care, modern vaccines, medical technology and so on.

              This is the “demographic trap”, where birth rates remain high as infant mortality declines, creating population growth so rapid that development designed to slow it becomes impossible, intensifying environmental damage, increasing the risk of famine, with forced migration and higher future mortality.

              Consider, for example, the case of Nigeria. It is projected to overtake the US and become the world’s third largest country in just 35 years, with 400 million people, more than doubling its current size of 180 million.

              According to a Nigerian central banker interviewed last year, the

              “…gap between the rich and the poor has continued to grow. If conditions are so tough today for so many, what is it going to be like when twice as many live there in 2050? Yet this isn’t a question the political elite have been asking themselves.

              “My worry is that we are not making arrangements for this rising population. There is no country in the world that I know of over 70 million people that does not have a flourishing rail network, expanding social services and the rest of it. All those things need to be in place, together with better planning for population and for families.”

              If the government did not improve opportunities for the many millions who will be living there in the next few decades, he warned the consequences could be serious. Its fast-growing young population – 108 million Nigerians are currently under 25 – could become ‘deeply frustrated’. “The sort of thing that happened in the so-called Arab spring could happen in Nigeria.”

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                tom0mason

                Alice Thermopolis

                I dismiss your “demographic trap” is a transitory effect, a normal short term effect of a nation realigning itself. It has happened with many countries. How long it last is dependent on how fast the population and government can change liberating more freedom to the people and hoe they adjust to it.

                Some nation stabilize to lowering population growths rapidly, others not so fast. Mostly is is how fast the culture of the nation coupled with the abilities and finesse of the government in implementing change that governs how fast this goes — but it will change — IT ALWAYS DOES! One generation or more, who knows how fast the collective culture will change?

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            el gordo

            ‘If so, does that mean birthrates in the West will increase over time?’

            As a greater middle class develops the birthrate around the world will stabilize and then fall.

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        clive

        So,are you volunteering to be the first to “Top”yourself?

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        Angry

        “greggg”,
        YOU FIRST!
        Lead by example !!!

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    So Sarko is the bouvier australien (drover’s dog) who’ll beat Hollande. An improvement over Alain Juppé, I suppose, former minister for things green, who wrote a book about sustainability titled I’ll Eat No More Cherries in Winter (fretting about food miles etc). Mind you, Juppé had a criminal conviction to live down and I suppose a spot of tree-hugging was the required penance of the day.

    Nonetheless, I’d vote for Sarko as the less sincerely green of the two.

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      ROM

      In a democracy, politicians follow the street opinions, eventually.
      How those street level opinions change and how fast they change and sorting out the genuine opinion trends from the noise of the deafening and the deliberate lies of the activist’s clamour is always a dilemma for a politician.
      Any wannabe successful politician doesn’t like to get to far ahead of public opinion but they definitely don’t want to be seen to be well behind public opinion either.

      So, in the end it doesn’t matter much about what anybody here says or Sarkozy suddenly reveals he is an apparent closet Skeptic, the very fact that somebody, a very prominent politician right smack bang in the centre of the European Climate Change Catastrophe industry who is again seeking such a high French Presidential office should even he is even approaching admitting to being a Skeptic is at least, using Cook’s Constant going to be 97% sure that is how the street level opinions are now shaping.

      Sarkozy as an astute politician who has already reached the highest political office in France previously and now wants to do it again has probably figured that He has now almost nothing to lose by coming out of the closet and suggesting that he is a Skeptic.
      And there might even be some substantial political gains in doing so as public opinion continues to shift to the Right across Europe.

      The rapidly increasing political shift to the political Right is primarily driven by the European Left that had become so contemptuous of the street opinions, particularly with regard to the influx of huge mass of the middle east refugees and the even bigger influx of the unwanted North African carpet baggers, which has created the European Left’s own self inflicted and currently possible political immolation.

      The Right parties, almost invariably labelled as “Far Right” parties with all the supposed connotations with the WW2 hard right dictatorships, by the leftist leaning European media, are gaining very considerable political ground and influence across most of the major European nations.

      The European Right gives little credence to the CAGW credo and to the whole massively expensive, both economically for the nations and for the individuals on the bottom of the social scale, utterly corrupted and corrupting Renewable Energy scam.

      And here is an example and an indication of the utter arrogance and condescension of the EU’s leftist political elite towards any of those who differ in their political views to that EU elite.

      From; Der Speigel

      EU Parliament President;

      ‘Trump Is a Problem for the Whole World’

      With Europe falling ever-deeper into crisis, European Parliament President Martin Schulz is warning of the further advance of right-wing populism. In an interview, he also says he fears the possibility of a President Trump.

      This is a rock solid example of the type of totally arrogant and utterly condescending mentality of the EU’s political elite in that they can believe they are qualified to openly comment on and attempt to denigrate the World’s most powerful nation’s system of electing its leaders as well as the choice of the potential leaders that nation, the USA is currently making.

      The USA being a democratic nation which despite its manifold and apparent failings as promoted in the [ European ] MSM still has a great deal more liberty for the individual than do most nations under the EU’s banner.

      The World of climate science and climate orientated politics is shifting and beginning to shift even faster as both climate scientists and politicians begin to give the two fingered salute to the whole Climate catastrophe, green and climate activist promoted claimed anthropogenic “carbon” [ ?? ] created climate catastrophe cult.

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        tom0mason

        “With Europe falling ever-deeper into crisis, European Parliament President Martin Schulz is warning of the further advance of right-wing populism. In an interview, he also says he fears the possibility of a President Trump.”

        Europe’s problems is not Trump or what he represents.
        The EU’s problems are their own, and of their own making. Problems caused by its centralized control policies and methods — effectively removing ordinary folk from the responsible control of their lives.

        Additionally there’s the EU’s utter disregard for personal freedom, coupled to their cynical act of skimming a profit from all to maintain the palatial lifestyle of the EU elites. The EU’s cadre of elites profit well from the public funded system, while the youth of those same EU nations are abandoned to poverty through underemployed or unemployed. Unemployment made worse by over-taxation, crony industry handouts, and the open door policy to migrants, be they legal or not.

        Trump by comparison is a picture of moral rectitude and honesty uncorrupted by personal gain.

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        Angry

        The EU is well and truely past its “use by date”……

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    pat

    as already pointed out, French presidential election isn’t until next year.

    meanwhile -

    remember ClimateChangeNews reported in February:

    EU faces two-year wrangle to ratify Paris climate deal
    …experts say it could take until late 2017 or 2018 to get the detail member states need to formally accept the agreement…

    and on 7 Sept:

    UK may delay Paris climate deal ratification till 2017
    UK government ratification of the Paris climate deal and a new plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions through 2030 may have to wait till 2017, climate minister Nick Hurd has told business leaders.

    nonetheless:

    14 Sept: ClimateChangeNews: EU faces ‘ridicule’ over delay to ratify Paris climate deal
    by Ed King & Megan Darby
    In state of the union address, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker expresses embarrassment at slow progress…
    “We were climate change pioneers in Paris,” he said. “Dragging our feet on ratification affects our credibility and makes us look ridiculous.”…
    Based on its progress to date, the EU will not be part of the vanguard. Hungary and France set an early example, but Poland is holding out for assurances it can continue building coal plants, while the UK – preoccupied with Brexit discussions – refuses to give a timeline.
    Leaders of EU member states will be asked to endorse a fast-track ratification process this week, reported Bloomberg. That would allow Brussels, representing 12% of global emissions, to complete the formalities as soon as next month – without waiting for all 28 to complete their domestic processes…
    Lawmakers in the European Parliament’s environment committee have endorsed the Paris Agreement by 47 votes to one, paving the way for a plenary vote…

    TWEET: EP President(Martin Schulz): Good news @Europarl_EN – if @EUCouncil delivers in time, vote next week in #EPlenary #ParisAgreement
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/09/14/eu-faces-ridicule-over-delay-to-ratify-paris-climate-deal/
    single comment by JamesWimberley:
    It’s time for the countries that are serious about climate change, plus the Commission and the European Parliament, to stop giving in to blackmail by Poland and other stonewallers. There is no rule that all members must ratify together, it just looks better – but applying the rule in the current circumstances just makes the EU look worse. What they should do is say that a critical mass of member states will ratify together, with the EU, on a certain date before the end of November. Poland would complain bitterly but cave in and join, to avoid public humiliation.
    ***BTW, Brazil has not yet deposited its instrument of ratification, according to the UN Treaty Section website, as of 14 September 22h Paris time. I am getting suspicious about the long delay since the Brazilian Senate voted for approval on 10 August. Domestic manoeuvres to water down the final NDC?

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    pat

    8 Sept: European Parliament: Environment MEPs support Paris agreement ratification, push for entry into force
    The European Parliament should give its consent to the ratification of the 2015 Paris agreement on climate change, recommended Environment Committee MEPs on Thursday. They also urged all EU member states to conclude the ratification process, to ensure its rapid entry into force…
    Brexit
    Amendments tabled by British MEPs and endorsed by the committee say that the EU should uphold the commitments agreed in Paris in spite of any changes of status of EU member states, and ask that “strong efforts” be made to keep any member states with a changing status in the EU carbon market…
    Next steps
    The recommendation that Parliament consent to the conclusion of the agreement, was approved by 47 votes to 1.The full European Parliament can vote and give its consent to the Paris Agreement only when an agreement is reached at the Council.
    The resolution on COP22, was approved by 48 votes to 1, with 2 abstentions. The vote in the full House is planned for early October…READ ALL
    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160907IPR41562/environment-meps-support-paris-agreement-ratification-push-for-entry-into-force

    13 Sept: Bloomberg: Ewa Krukowska: EU Leaders Said Due to Discuss Fast-Track Climate-Deal Approval
    Tusk said to back accelerated EU ratification of Paris accord
    A fast-track ratification of the global climate deal by the European Union is going to be raised by EU President Donald Tusk at a meeting of national leaders this week, according to two people with knowledge of the matter.
    Tusk is due to discuss an accelerated approval process for the Paris agreement by the EU at an informal gathering on Sept. 16 in Bratislava, according to the people, who asked not to be identified, citing policy. The U.K. will not participate in the summit, which was called to debate the future of the region after the Brexit referendum…
    According to an opinion by EU lawyers, a quick ratification of the climate accord at the union level would require unanimous tacit or explicit consent by ministers of the bloc’s 28 member states, the people said. This accelerated procedure could be finished as soon as next month, putting the EU in a position to trigger the entry into force of the landmark climate-protection deal without having to wait for lengthy sign-off procedures by individual member states…
    ***Some government representatives expressed concerns about EU competencies and potential legal implications of such a move for future approvals of other international agreements by the EU, they said…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-13/eu-leaders-said-due-to-discuss-fast-track-climate-deal-approval

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    pat

    our own politicians must somehow be held accountable…eventually!

    14 Sept: Australian: Verity Edwards: Poor winds, outage blamed for South Australia’s energy crisis
    The Australian Energy Regulator has found South Australia’s reliance on wind and gas, coupled with network outages on the Heywood Interconnector to Victoria, were to blame for massive energy price spikes in July.
    Energy prices spiked above $10,000 a megawatt hour in South Australia, causing a crisis for big business and leading to threatened shutdowns at BHP Billiton’s Olympic Dam mine, ­Arrium and Adelaide Brighton Cement.
    The AER report, released yesterday, found prices spiked above $10,000 several times on July 7, with the spot price reaching $8898 a megawatt hour for the 7.30pm period.
    Along with the planned Heywood Interconnector outages, the report also blamed the state’s ­increasing reliance on gas and at times unreliable wind, following the closure of the coal-fuelled Northern Power station in May.
    “While there is in the order of 1200MW of semi-scheduled wind installed in South Australia, on the day it was generating below 20MW, as forecast,” the ­report says…
    A Frontier Economic report published in the middle of last year foreshadowed the state’s ­energy woes, noting price spikes were linked to days of low wind production, and that increasing penetration of intermittent renewable generation would lead to more volatile wholesale prices.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/powering-australia/poor-winds-outage-blamed-for-south-australias-energy-crisis/news-story/cf16cea21b30cf742e6ef079d523c670

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    fretslider

    Sarkozy is saying what he thinks his target audience wants to hear.

    He set up the border arrangements with the UK and now he wants to tear that agreement up and move the French problem at Calais to Dover.

    This guy has a pretty wife and zero credibility.

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    Mari C

    OT, at least not about the French news

    I don’t know if Pat caught these yet and I’m repeating, but the silliness of the US press continues apace

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/09/14/what-the-sixth-extinction-will-look-like-in-the-oceans-the-largest-species-die-off-first/?tid=pm_business_pop_b&utm_term=.4db2027b0393

    “We mostly can’t see it around us, and too few of us seem to care — but nonetheless, scientists are increasingly convinced that the world is barreling towards what has been called a “sixth mass extinction” event. Simply put, species are going extinct at a rate that far exceeds what you would expect to see naturally, as a result of a major perturbation to the system”

    Seems that some of the article may relate to this paper

    http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/09/13/science.aaf2416
    Abstract

    To better predict the ecological and evolutionary effects of the emerging biodiversity crisis in the modern oceans, we compared the association between extinction threat and ecological traits in modern marine animals to associations observed during past extinction events using a database of 2497 marine vertebrate and mollusc genera. We find that extinction threat in the modern oceans is strongly associated with large body size, whereas past extinction events were either nonselective or preferentially removed smaller-bodied taxa. Pelagic animals were victimized more than benthic animals during previous mass extinctions but are not preferentially threatened in the modern ocean. The differential importance of large-bodied animals to ecosystem function portends greater future ecological disruption than that caused by similar levels of taxonomic loss in past mass extinction events.”

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      Manfred

      I don’t know if Pat caught these yet and I’m repeating, but the silliness of the US press continues apace

      Also, a little OT but relevant in the larger view.

      A recent Gallup poll suggests that the wider US populous trust in the media has degenerated to about a third across the board and about 14% for Republicans (unsurprising, given the flagrant MSM bias for the Dems and their Demigod, Hilliar).

      I wonder what the figures would look like in Australia and New Zealand? Are their more of less sheeple overwhelmed by social narcosis and dependent on their daily delusional fix? And one also wonders, given the near seamless alignment of the MSM with politically correct eco-globalism, are we actually and finally seeing an expression of a massive disengagement of the populous from the self-interested lies of the establishment? Is this a proxy poll for the US General Election? For my money, I’d bet it is.

      Americans’ Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low

      32% say they have “a great deal” or “a fair amount” of trust
      14% of Republicans express trust, down from 32% last year
      Confidence drops among younger and older Americans

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    Ruairi

    The closets where some skeptics hide,
    Are closed by themselves from inside,
    So let them come out,
    And to all the world shout,
    The truth that the warmists denied.

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    [...] can see the ocean of votes in speaking out against political correctness,” reported JoNova. “He has watched the rise of Marine Le Pen and of Donald [...]

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    Peter C

    Benoit gives a very brief summary in the London Conference on Geoethics (in French).
    https://geoethic.com/london-conference-2016/
    Has anyone seen any abstracts or transcripts of the papers.

    Did anyone here attend?

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    Another Ian

    JO and Tony in Oz

    O/T “Why Venture Capitalists Abandoned Clean Energy…”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2016/09/other-peoples-m-2.html

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    Dennis

    “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

    – Abraham Lincoln

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    el gordo

    Trump doesn’t understand the science, but his heart and head are moving in the right direction.

    ‘There is still much that needs to be investigated in the field of “climate change.” Perhaps the best use of our limited financial resources should be in dealing with making sure that every person in the world has clean water. Perhaps we should focus on eliminating lingering diseases around the world like malaria. Perhaps we should focus on efforts to increase food production to keep pace with an ever-growing world population.’

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    handjive

    The Angry Winter
    Australia has the coldest start to spring on record!
    The Mandurah Mail: “September has seen one of the coldest starts to spring on record, with temperatures reaching more than 2 degrees below the
    September average in some areas.”

    The Age: Victorian floods: State battered with worst September deluge in a century
    Note there is not one mention of the words “Global Warming, or Climate Change” in the Age link.

    Who remembers “The Angry Summer” of 2011?
    The Age: Climate change a key factor in extreme weather, experts say
    “The report, The Angry Summer, says behind the litany of broken heat and rainfall records this year, a clear pattern has now emerged.”
    “Climate change” is mentioned 5 times.
    . . .
    I’m angry my taxes pay for Steffen’s junk science.

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    Mawashi

    Welcoming this with a huge grain of salt as well. Sarko is a globalist through and through, and may only be doing this in a bid to pull votes away from Le Pen and others. Doubt whether he can be trusted; he needs to demonstrate these words with real action before he can be trusted.

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      el gordo

      I tend to agree, Sarko is a political opportunist, but if he starts talking like Malcolm Roberts then all bets are off.

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        Rollo

        Speaking of Malcolm Roberts, I have yet to hear mention of his maiden speech on the ABC. Pauline’s more awkward moments are beamed into our lounge-rooms regularly, but I am starting to wonder if Malcolm’s excellent speech was just faked by Jo and her cohorts.

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          Alice Thermopolis

          Frankly, I found the speech somewhat disappointing. If you compare yourself to Socrates, you have to deliver the goods.

          Not easy, I know, but when talking “to the nation” on a complex subject, the KISS/TWITTER principle probably best. Three KEY bullet points emphatically hammered home?

          For me, the thrill of hearing climate “heresy” in the chamber soon waned, as Malcolm went on to promote weird stuff like The People’s Bank and attack banking sector in general.

          Big Four already belong to, if not “the people”, then shareholders and pension funds. Many share in the game through dividends and price growth. It’s called capitalism.

          Yes, it’s politics, but the riffs on “One Nation” fell flat for me.

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      el gordo

      On the other hand his nearest rival is warmist Alain Juppé, so any political discussion on the subject of climate change is always appreciated. Sarko has a good chance of becoming president.

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        Mawashi

        Fair point, El Gordo – it’s refreshing to get the word out there. I just question Sarko’s sincerity, that’s all. It’d be nice to see some influential figure from, say Germany, to do the same and show some action instead of empty rhetoric on the subject. But I do think cracks are gradually widening in the whole CAGW scam, and it’ll eventually go the way of every other crank religion that gained a lot of support in the early days before collapsing under its own BS.

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          el gordo

          ‘I just question Sarko’s sincerity…’

          He is a political animal and not to be trusted.

          ‘It’ll eventually go the way of every other crank religion…’

          Not a religion, its a cult based on catastrophe and should collapse under its own weight, nevertheless the Klimatariat will continue to torture the data until the very end.

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    Alice Thermopolis

    ELEPHANT IN THE GREENHOUSE

    Sarkozy is the first member of (French) political class to mention global population growth as a BIG issue.

    He said that, in fact, population growth is a far more serious threat to the planet than pollution. “There will be 11 billion of us in a few years. Man is directly responsible. But nobody takes any interest,” he went on to say.

    See also http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=17852

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    clipe

    Not entirely off topic methinks.

    Let me get straight to the point. (Pandas aren’t cute, they’re death-loving oxygen-thieves. Let’s just eat the idiot-bears)

    Pandas are pointless, wasteful and silly. They should die.

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    the game has changed

    from what to what? Hard to follow with all the changes. Is it a game though?

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    Jan 6, 2012 – Got Katter’s party to park the protest votes so the game has changed. Ah, the Libs have also a policy…the mighty catchcry of the alarmists to …
    Australian summer maximums “warmed” by 200% – JoNova
    joannenova.com.au/page/75/
    Oct 15, 2014 – … say, being spread like measles. Nonetheless, the game has changed. Healthworkers need even more serious, much more expensive masks.
    Report suggesting new carbon tax for Australia hidden until after …
    joannenova.com.au/…/report-suggesting-new-carbon-tax-for-australia-hidden-til-after…
    May 8, 2016 – The game has changed. Under the old Labor Green coalition it was a balance in both houses. In a Liberal Green coalition, the Green Liberals …
    Spot the Vested Interest: The $1.5 Trillion Climate Change Industry …
    joannenova.com.au/…/spot-the-vested-interest-the-1-5-trillion-climate-change-industr…
    Jul 31, 2015 – The game has changed. The coming “kick the can down the road” decision at Paris could well be the trigger point. The point at which the fellow …
    Sea level rise “unprecedented” when modeling the ancient … – JoNova
    joannenova.com.au/page/62/?sa=X&ved=0CB0Q9QEwAmoVChMI0d_P7…Q4p
    Oct 22, 2014 – … say, being spread like measles. Nonetheless, the game has changed. Healthworkers need even more serious, much more expensive masks.
    Draft IPCC report leaked (the evidence is so overwhelming it has to be …
    joannenova.com.au/…/draft-ipcc-report-leaked-the-evidence-is-so-overwhelming-it-h…
    Dec 14, 2012 – The game has changed. 20. #. Doug Cotton. December 15, 2012 at 3:48 pm. John O’Sullivan picks apart the contradictions in the leaked IPCC …
    Renewable Energy Target costs miners millions, green … – JoNova
    joannenova.com.au/page/65/?sa=X&ved…
    Oct 16, 2014 – … say, being spread like measles. Nonetheless, the game has changed. Healthworkers need even more serious, much more expensive masks.

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    pat

    this is what happens when u play around with CAGW policies:

    14 Sept: UK Telegraph: Emily Gosden: Power price surges to record high on supply shortage fears
    Industry sources suggested National Grid was close to having to issue an emergency alert to call for more power for Thursday evening, amid fears demand could outstrip supply…
    Low wind power output and the unplanned shutdowns of two EDF nuclear reactors totaling 1 gigawatt (GW) have compounded the crunch.
    Meanwhile, the power cable bringing electricity from France to the UK also suffered an unexpected partial outage which has knocked a further 0.5GW from the UK’s available supplies…
    The power squeeze is set to continue into next week as wind and nuclear power remain low and the UK-France power cable partially shuts down for planned maintenance which will last almost two weeks.
    The tightening supply forecast has forced the price of electricity for next week to £200/MWh.
    “The market just isn’t providing enough capacity,” one UK power trader said…
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/09/14/power-price-surges-to-record-high-on-supply-shortage-fears/

    14 Sept: BBC: Edward Curwen: Heatwave adds to pressure on UK power networks
    The price has jumped from around £40 per megawatt hour to almost £200, the most expensive in a decade.
    Demand from cranked-up air-conditioning comes on top of a lull in wind power and gas and nuclear power stations going offline…
    The surprise rise in demand and a drop in supply has left the UK with less spare power than usual. It comes after concerns about spare capacity going into winter.
    Usually extra electricity can be drawn in from a connection between the UK’s grid and the French network, but the crucial cable is not working properly, limiting transfers.
    In France, several nuclear power stations are also offline, meaning there is less electricity for the French to sell to the UK.
    Nick Grogan, an energy industry analyst, said it was “almost the perfect storm”…
    “It’s rare for it to get this bad.”…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37368408

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    Congrats Gee Aye, I’ve published 2,396 posts in 8 years about a many different political games and you can only find 5 repeats of the same 4 word phrase. (A lot of those quotes go back to the same article).

    The game discussed here is to stop a national discussion about the usefulness of putting up things like wind turbines in order to prevent droughts and storms and 0.001C of global warming. One main tactic of the Pro side is for ignorant parasites and idiot followers to shout down and intimidate anyone who disagrees with them in the hope that leaders will be too afraid to say what half the population is thinking.

    That boorish strategy worked, but is failing fast. Hence the game is changing… ;- )

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      Yonniestone

      A leaf falling down

      From the green tree of knowledge

      Burnt by bright Nova

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      true I should have trimmed the repeats and added the other instances that were on pages 2 and 3. The point is partly the empty journalistic rhetoric which, as demonstrated by the lack of follow up from your previous uses of the phrase, are never any sort of game changer. The second is the feel good appeal to the chamber that things are actually coming to a head, which you then follow up with no evidence whatsoever.

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        Just additionally the fallacy of irrelevance. It would not matter if you had published 8, 800 or 8 billion blog posts, if something is a game changer then the claim being made is that it has significant future repercussions. It gets mentioned when something hugely important happens. As it turns out your game changers have all fizzled away.

        In addition, if I were to take the number of blog posts as being a proper counter argument rather than a fallacy, contrary to your conclusion, the more posts you post without mentioning “game changer” only magnifies the importance of the ones in which you did mention it. That you use it sparingly demonstrates that you recognise that it is making a significant statement about things that turn out not to be so.

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    Bulldust

    Someone else’s ABC has trotted out more anti-coal gibberish from the Australia (rabid Green) Institute:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-16/coal-death-would-not-kill-economy/7851260

    Note this is led by Richard Denniss. You might remember him as the guy who was trounced by Chris Monckton in a climate debate. In this foray they used economic models to show Australian GDP would suffer a “rounding error” impact if coal were phased out.

    Well OK then… if it was in a model, let’s get cracking!

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    Bulldust

    O/Topic but another hilarious chap I found on the internet is Milo Yiannopoulos. If you want a totally irreverent departure from regularly scheduled viewing, he is a riot. To say he is provocative is an understatement. The world needs more folk like him to awaken from the slumber of political correctness. He was banned from Twitter for not towing the PC line. When one considers some of the hate groups which continue to inhabit Twitter, this is quite hilarious. Talk about inconsistent, but such is the nature of the regressive left.

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    Robdel

    He is just a political opportunist. All supporters of Marine le Pen should ignore him.

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    pat

    mad CAGW figures:

    14 Sept: ClimateChangeNews: Ed King: UK pitches China for climate-friendly finance trillions
    London’s expertise places it in pole position to channel private finance to China, as superpower seeks to invest around $4 trillion a year in infrastructure
    The UK is pitching itself as a climate finance leader and a natural partner for China as the country’s central bank plans a US$45.6 billion green bond release through 2016…
    Examples include the development of a joint energy and infrastructure funding platform, while China’s central bank and the Bank of England are leading a G20 study into green finance guidelines.
    “London is a particularly suitable location for Chinese issuers to issue green bonds on the international markets,” said the report…
    ***Analysts at the New Climate Economy say $100 trillion is projected to be spent on global infrastructure projects by 2030, with the bulk expected to come from the private sector…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/09/14/uk-pitches-china-for-climate-friendly-finance-trillions/

    more mad figures in this piece:

    15 Sept: ClimateChangeNews: Ed King: UN cash crunch means poor face climate envoy funding axe
    Lower than expected contributions to global climate body means some small island states and least developed nations may have fewer envoys at COP22
    Poorer countries traditionally receive support from the UN to bring extra negotiators, allowing them to cover these myriad negotiating streams of the global talks…
    UN climate body’s head of communications Nick Nuttall: “There are perhaps several reasons for this, but certainly it is true that many donor governments around the world are facing difficult budgetary conditions domestically—and this is perhaps reflected in the fact that all international organizations are finding budgets constrained or diminishing.
    “In terms of participation, it is true to say that current resources available are not sufficient to offer the same level of participation as in past years.”…
    “In respect to COP22 in Morocco, we do not anticipate any significant issues except in the area of participation—but we are confident that there will be 15-20,000 participants in Marrakech and there will be a full programme of negotiations and events.”
    Read the full statement here (LINK))…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/09/15/un-cash-crunch-means-poor-face-climate-envoy-funding-axe/

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    pat

    15 Sept: ClimateChangeNews: Karl Mathiesen: Climate targets mean an end to oil-fuelled cars by 2035
    The world needs to make a paradigm shift to electric vehicles, say experts, predicting that by 2050 half of all cars would need to be “zero-emissions”
    The Climate Action Tracker analysis released on Thursday also highlighted the need to stamp out the rigging and massaging of vehicle emissions test that have been revealed to be widespread throughout the auto industry.
    Stronger tests would allow for a necessary doubling of new car fuel economy standards across the world in the next fifteen years…
    If the world is to stand any chance of staying within the 1.5C warming limit set by world leaders in Paris last year, electric vehicles must replace traditional combustion engines entirely by 2035…
    Current government policies in the EU, China and the US will only see 5% of all cars running solely on electricity by 2030…
    The report notes that electric vehicles come with their own challenges, most importantly, the increased demand for electricity. As such, any boom would need to be underwritten by the continued growth of renewable or zero-carbon energy…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/09/15/climate-targets-mean-an-end-to-oil-fuelled-cars-by-2035/

    15 Sept: ClimateActionTracker: Zero emission vehicles need to take over car market to reach 1.5°C limit: analysis
    DOWNLOAD 7-PAGE REPORT
    This work was funded by the ***ClimateWorks Foundation
    http://climateactiontracker.org/publications/briefing/259/Zero-emission-vehicles-need-to-take-over-car-market-to-reach-1.5C-limit-analysis.html

    ***ClimateWorksFoundation Board includes: John D. Podesta: John Podesta is the founder and a board member of the Washington, D.C.-based think tank Center for American Progress. He is currently the Chair of the Hillary for America Campaign Committee.
    Mr. Podesta served as Counselor to President Barack Obama from January 2014 to February 2015.
    In 2008, he served as co-chair of President Obama’s transition team, where he coordinated the priorities of the incoming administration’s agenda, oversaw the development of its policies, and spearheaded its appointments of major cabinet secretaries and political appointees.
    Prior to founding the Center for American Progress in 2003, Mr. Podesta served as White House chief of staff to President William J. Clinton.
    He also recently served on President Obama’s Global Development Council and the UN Secretary General’s High-Level Panel of Eminent Persons on the Post-2015 Development Agenda…

    Founding Chair is William K. Reilly, TPG Capital: William K. Reilly is a founding partner of Aqua International Partners LP, a private equity fund dedicated to investing in companies engaged in water and renewable energy. He is also a senior advisor to TPG Capital LP, an international investment partnership. Mr. Reilly served as the administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (1989-1993), president of the World Wildlife Fund (1985-1989), president of The Conservation Foundation (1973-1989), and director of the Rockefeller Task Force on Land Use and Urban Growth (1972-1973). He headed the U.S. Delegation to the U.N. Conference on Environment and Development in Rio in 1992. He holds a B.A. degree from Yale, a J.D. from Harvard, and an M.S. in urban planning from Columbia University.
    —-

    AND, IF THE CAGW MOB CAN’T GET CLINTON IN BY HOOK OR BY CROOK, WHAT THEN FOR THEIR PRETENTIOUS CAGW ORGS?

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    pat

    ???

    14 Sept: EnvironmentalResearchLetters: Open Access: The contribution of greenhouse gases to the recent slowdown in global-mean temperature trends
    Authors: R Checa-Garcia, K P Shine and M I Hegglin
    Abstract
    The recent slowdown in the rate of increase in global-mean surface temperature (GMST) has generated extensive discussion, but little attention has been given to the contribution of time-varying trends in greenhouse gas concentrations. We use a simple model approach to quantify this contribution…READ ON
    http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/9/094018

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    Andy Richards

    The first establishment rat to leave the sinking crony climate change ship. I don’t think we need to pay him an ounce of gratitude. He hopes to make political mileage out of a position that he will quickly reverse if he sees it is better for him.

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    pat

    16 Sept: Guardian: Paul Karp: Malcolm Roberts to discuss climate science with CSIRO
    One Nation senator asks for briefing to see science agency’s proof that carbon dioxide affects climate ‘because they’ve never provided it before’
    In Senate question time on Thursday Roberts asked the minister for resources and Northern Australia, Matt Canavan, for “the specific location of data that proves claims that humans affect global climate change”.
    Canavan replied that the Coalition accepted the science on climate change, which Roberts derided as the “opinions and beliefs of the CSIRO”.
    Roberts asked the government in question time and in writing to help arrange a meeting with the science agency. A CSIRO spokesman confirmed on Friday Hunt had done so.
    Roberts told Guardian Australia the CSIRO would brief him in the next two weeks…
    The CSIRO publishes a wealth of such data on the Climate Change in Australia website (LINK)…
    ???Asked if he would accept CSIRO’s data when he met its representatives, Roberts said: “What we’ve said all along quite openly is that we’re all ears…
    Roberts’s claims have already been the subject of rebuttals, including by Guardian Australia and Steven Sherwood, director of the climate change research centre at the University of New South Wales…
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/16/malcolm-roberts-to-discuss-climate-science-with-csiro

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Wow.
      Thanks Pat.
      He’s really after them. I’m impressed. And best wishes to him.
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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      AndyG55

      “Roberts’s claims have already been the subject of rebuttals”

      The Gruniad article was nothing but a science free load of propaganda pap from an ill-educated gullible far-left, so-called, journalist.

      The guy probably makes coffee for everyone in his break.

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      Apoxonbothyourhouses

      Sherwood is one of those who tried to prevent Monkton from having an Australian platform for his opinions. That alone marks him as a false scientist.

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    Phillip Bratby

    Never trust an establishment politician.

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    Apoxonbothyourhouses

    It matters not what he believes. He wants votes so the last thing he is going to do is espouse a policy contrary to his political objectives. That means the tide of opinion is turning and / or has changed. Keep pushing Jo till real science and commonsense are accepted by the media.

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    “speaking out against political correctness… Sarcozy will have watched the rise of Marine Le Pen”

    Le Pen does a bit more than “speak out against political correctness”.

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    Graham Richards

    Sarkoszy will run again & so will my stomach with much the same results.

    He is about as trustworthy as a stomach disorder…..he’s a SOCIALIST!!!

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    Hopefully Sarkozy understands and acknowledges the reality of biologically-mediated racial differences in behavior, including crime, and does not believe it is all religious or cultural.

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