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EU panic — yells “xenophobic isolationist” — at people who held the largest global empire in history

EU fans are rightly fearing the unravelling of their empire, built on decades of sneaky, undemocratic bureaucratic creep. The French, Austrians, Finns, Dutch and Germans want a vote on the EU.

All over the establishment media, the derogatory narrative is that “Little Brits” are scared of the outside world, and are xenophobic, racists, too afraid to engage with the rest of the world. So let’s look at how inward-looking and timid the Brits were in times before the EU modern wisdom.

Here’s the British Empire circa 1920:

The Sun never set on the British Empire

Map adapted from Wikipedia

Get into the spirit Rule Brittania! Want more?

“Little Britain” ran the largest empire the world has ever known — spreading democracy, justice, and one language across a broader array of races and places than any other nation.  (And the real Anglosphere includes The United States of America.)

The Brits are the bigots who outlawed slavery, widow-burning and fostered democracy in India.

It’s not surprising that the Brits are leading the way out of the false anti-democratic empire known as the European Union.

The fight has just begun

Based on past form, we know that self-serving Virtue-Signallers will do everything in their power to ignore the will of the people, to be intolerant, contemptuous, and disrespectful of the “ghastly” workers. They will use any excuse to hold another referendum, and shamelessly exploit every “hate-crime” as caused by “Brexit racists”. They will feed the fires of Scottish Independence to push another Button of Fear. For years global financial markets have teetered on the brink of failure with massive debts, exhausted quantitative easings, and negative interest rates — yet if they do collapse, Brexit will be blamed for a situation that the EU helped create.

 

 


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    Richard111

    Thank you Jo. I’m long retired after travelling much of the ‘Empire’. Sadly, I note ‘History’, as now taught in the UK, lacks positive mention of the ‘Empire’, even the word ‘Commonwealth’ returns a blank look. It’s us oldies who remember and voted. I watched my local polling station for a bit and noted the prevalence of walking sticks.

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      For some reason I’ve been watching and listening to The Who for the last week (must be something subconscious); I’ve always liked them and I couldn’t stop playing Quadrophenia when I bought it, and I think some of our tender youth who today need trigger warnings, safe rooms and whatnot could do well to do the same. The videos bring up so much memorable stuff; however, I don’t think that our juvenile adults could cope with the trauma of what the ‘old folk’ have experienced.

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    TdeF

    The British people voted overwhelmingly to end the experiment, because that is what it was. No one said it was forever. You can have a free trade market as existed in the Hannover league for centuries without a totalitarian European government by unelected bureaucrats. An autocracy in everything but name.

    This was not just 54 vs 48, it was against the weather, against the explicit urging of their PM and the leader of the Labor opposition and against all the professional pundits and under open threat of punishment by the EU, the banks and at a potentially great cost. That’s brave. Then you add the regional areas like Scotland where currently they have reverted to doing what they do best, voting against their own best interests. Frankly, the Irish are even worse and have managed to be on the wrong side in every war. At least in the last one they were in the middle.

    So it was an overwhelming victory by those who saw that there was no real benefit in continuing and a real cost and a real loss of sovereignty by what was the greatest trading block the world had ever seen. While half the population were not born when Britain joined the EU, those who could judge knew it was over and cried enough of this. It is not Nationalism or Xenophobia (a word meaning racism). It is not the first time a totalitarian French/German coalition has tried to intimidate the British and failed.

    Now those with the vested interests and the young people who have never known a free Britain and those who fear change are all looking for a way to undo what was an amazing, fair and true victory for the people of Britain. Against the odds and with great determination. You can only cheer and hope that in our Australian election, all the major parties are told that the interests of the people are paramount and not those of career politicians and numbers men who take them for granted. Turnbull, Shorten and Di Natalie and their friends need to know that Australians have had enough of preference deals, self interest and lobby groups and the party machine which looks after its own. Politicians exist to serve the people, not the other way around. Another unworkable Senate looms and while Turnbull will want to do sweetheart deals with his favourite Greens unlike Abbott, he may find the political price is too high and he is himself quickly replaced. The money spent renovating the lodge may be wasted after all.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      I haven’t been glued to the news, but did I hear that David Cameron resigned, to take effect in October?

      What an ego! What a Party ego!

      HM Elizabeth Regina had better turf him out and appoint John Cleese to the job in the meantime. No later than Wednesday. Else govern by decree, refusing to permit a rush to an early election.

      As for the Oz scene. It looks possible to me that the coalition will hold or even increase its majority in the House of Reps, which would make it difficult for the Senate to defy Malcolm Turnbull.

      If they do defy him, then he must ensure that at the next double dissolution we have a better educated electorate.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I think it is understandible why this has happened: no one wants to feed and subsidise weaker economies.

      Vladimir Putin

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        Reed Coray

        I believe slightly more accurately (not the quote, the interpretation of the quote): “No one wants to be forced to feed and subsidize weaker economies.” After all we do have charities, and when disaster hits a local community, individuals in the western world often respond with massive donations. What human nature rebels against is people who take advantage of the good will of the people by (a) being lazy, (b) expecting handouts as their rightful due, and (c) then being unappreciative of those handouts and demanding even more.

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          Frederick Colbourne

          Yes, but when we contribute to chärities, we use our own money.

          The EU commissars use other people’s money.

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            Reed Coray

            I agree 100%. It’s admirable, maybe even noble, to be generous with your own money. IMO, it’s close to despicable to be profligate with other people’s money–especially if in so doing, you feel superior because “you care.”

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          Mike

          My slighlty more accurate quote, or interpretation is that we are seeing another Greek situation.

          The privatised government will say one thing and keep on voting until the desired result is obtained, for example, Brexit is canceled until some satisfying financial losses can be made

          “President Of The European Parliament: “It Is Not The EU Philosophy That The Crowd Can Decide Its Fate”

          From: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-27/president-european-parliament-it-not-eu-philosophy-crowd-can-decide-its-fate

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            Mike

            “”Bread and circuses” (or bread and games; from Latin: panem et circenses) is metonymic for a superficial means of appeasement. In the case of politics, the phrase is used to describe the generation of public approval, not through exemplary or excellent public service or public policy, but through diversion; distraction; or the mere satisfaction of the immediate, shallow requirements of a populace,[1] as an offered “palliative”. Its originator, Juvenal, used the phrase to decry the selfishness of common people and their neglect of wider concerns.[2][3][4] The phrase also implies the erosion or ignorance of civic duty amongst the concerns of the commoner.”
            From Wikipedia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

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            OriginalSteve

            That would have upset the self proclaimed “Masters of the Universe” EU elite…har har!!

            I wonder how much more loudly the Brits could have said “get lost, EU, you and yer mates….”

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          “I believe slightly more accurately (not the quote, the interpretation of the quote): “No one wants to be forced to feed and subsidize weaker economies.””
          Very good, Reed, it is all in the details. If I wish to halt my carriage, get out, rescue piglet that slipped into water filled ditch. That is my decision, not yours! The smile and wink from Momma pig, is worth more to me, than all the wealth you may possibly have!
          All the best! -will-

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      Glen Michel

      German/French coalition? Where in history has that happened? After all half the British population is descended from German Norse and French. Not to mention that Germany was not a political entity until 1871.

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        graphicconception

        “German/French coalition? Where in history has that happened? ”

        Try the Frankish Empire for about 400 years after 480AD …

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJHEXQdtt6Q

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          TdeF

          Try the battle of Blenheim. True that modern Germany did not exist but for Germans you had the Bavarians and French on one side and the Hungarians on the other. This was the amazing battle of Blenheim in 1704 where the Earl of Marlborough (John Churchill) which won his fame and fortune and the received the gift of the magnificent Blenheim palace from the king, the palace where his descendant Winston Churchill was born. In WW2 Winston ordered the destruction of the French fleet now controlled by the Nazis through Vichy France. While you are right that the French and Germans were also mortal enemies at times, from the times of Charlemagne it was the central power of Europe under the Holy Roman Empire for 1200 years and which was only dissolved in 1826. This included Burgundy, Germany and Northern Italy.

          The alleged Anglo Saxon heritage is now disputed from gene analysis, but it was a popular story and looking more like a large indigenous Celtic society before the German migration after the collapse of the Roman empire and the Nordic raids.

          Possibly my point was more that in the last thousand years, most of England’s wars and intrigues have been with the French and more recently with the Germans. The boundaries of these countries have been fluid plus the English control of half of France until 1204 as the Angevin empire.

          While the EU and the UN were products of WW2, you have to wonder if they really need to be quasi governments passing laws and controlling constituent countries. The original idea was about trade, communication and the prevention of war. What has transpired is that these organizations seek money and power as trans national empires. That was never the idea of the founders, just of the career bureaucrats who run them. As I have written, the Common Market is a great idea. The EU is not.

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            MudCrab

            In WW2 Winston ordered the destruction of the French fleet now controlled by the Nazis through Vichy France

            Not completely correct. This is mid 1940. France has made peace with Germany and Britain stands alone. The French fleet is spread between their naval bases in colonial French North Africa and under the terms of the French/German peace deal, still French.

            So about now everyone in the world is basically saying ‘now what?’ Germany was actually somewhat surprised by the speed of their success and didn’t really have any immediate plans drawn up. The German leadership spent some time being tourists in Paris and the general word from all the experts was that Britain, having just been smashed on land during the French campaign and having to flee at Dunkirk, had no real chance of winning and extended war so within a month or so they would most likely ask for a peace deal with that completely rational and deep down rather nice guy with the neat mo.

            Then Churchill blew up the French fleet.

            To Churchill it was very pragmatic and logical. Britain had the very powerful Royal Navy. Germany did not. This made it very hard for the Germans to swim across the channel and allowed Britain to stay in the war. If – and at that stage it wasn’t even a consideration by the Germans – the French fleet was to come under German control the advantage in numbers of the Royal Navy would be dramatically reduced. So, for the protect of Britain it had to be ensured that the French fleet could never be used by the Germans.

            So the Royal Navy turned up off the French ports, said you can surrender your ships to us, you can surrender your ships to the Americans until the war is over, or we will blow you up.

            The French said, Ha Ha very funny, stop acting the like an idiot, we both know you would never do such a thing and the British said Commence Firing.

            The rest of the world basically said WTF?!

            The Germans were utterly shocked. Overnight they realised that Churchill was deadly (literally in the case of the several thousand dead French sailors – France took a VERY long time to forgive over that, which is one of then main reasons that when the Allies invaded French North Africa in Operation Torch it was done with as many Americans as possible waving great big ‘WE ARE NOT BRITISH’ signs in the hope that the Vichy forces their would not resist that hard) serious about continuing the war and that it was now time to stop taking selfies in Paris and start making some new war plans. It also told the neutral nations that Britain was going fight German tooth and nail for a long time to come and any war effort aid that was given was not going to be wasted.

            Churchill attacking the French fleet was in many ways one of the most significant points of the early war.

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              stan stendera

              I’m an amateur military historian. Your analysis, which I’ve never encountered before is plainly brilliant. +1940.

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                RAH

                MudCrabs very accurate portrayal of history is certainly correct. The NAZIs loved their Teutonic ceremonies and wasted a lot of time patting each other on the back and pinning medals on each other and trying to eliminate or change or cart off the French monuments to the Allied victory in WW I in Paris when they should have been investing, consolidating, organizing and preparing to use French military assets. Meanwhile even at that early date the Fuhrers minds eye was already turning East towards the hated communists which he always had much greater animosity towards then the British. To Hitler at that time the defeat of Britain was nearly a fait accompli and a distraction from where his real intentions of conquest lay.

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              TdeF

              Not several thousand dead French sailors but “1,297 French sailors were killed and about 350 were wounded.” There was a battle. It was one sided but it did commence.

              “The French eventually replied (fired back) but ineffectively. The third salvo from the British force and the first to hit resulted in a magazine explosion aboard Bretagne, which sank with 977 of her crew dead.” So the bulk of the unfortunate French losses were from a single ship which exploded.

              Warnings were clear and the detailed ultimatum and reasonable alternatives explored in the extreme circumstances. The ultimatum was refused and an offer to withdraw to US waters never considered. Other French ships were blockaded in port in Alexandria and did not enter the war until 1943 then on the side of the allies.

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              rapscallion

              It also sent a more important message to the Americans. It said quite clearly, we are prepared to fight and fight to the bitter end, and in the meantime how about some destroyers and a bit of lend-lease to keep us going. Be in no doubt, it was aimed at the Americans and not the Germans. As for the French – they got what they deserved – they were given the opportunity and not unnaturally, blew it.

              Unsurprisingly the RN is still not terribly popular in France. Went on a 4 day ship visit to Brest in the 1980′s on a diesel submarine. The visit had to be cancelled after just two days, because our crew were knuckling frenchies who spat at them in the street.

              Curiously, we visited Bremen about 3 months later and were hosted by the AlteUBoatkameradenschaft (U-Boat old comrades), who looked after us brilliantly. We took them round the boat and poured gallons of courage special brew (Armed Forces only) down their necks. They responded by taking us to their homes, feeding us and then off to their club house where we were not allowed to put our hands in our pockets for anything.

              Funny old world isn’t it?

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            Glen Michel

            I believe Blenheim was German confederate ,Dutch and British under Marlborough against the French.Generally, history dictates that throughout ,the German States have supported British incursions on the continent.The Channel has been Britains ‘ saviour, otherwise she would have suffered the ravages of war that the continent endured eg 30 years war.

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      Peter Miller

      The Eurocrat aristocracy reacted to the Brexit vote in their usual petty and vindictive way, clearly having learned nothing, by signalling their intention to ‘punish’ Britain and to act to prevent ‘contagion’.

      There are however wiser heads among the EU’s leading businessmen and some political leaders, who are appalled by what would be the obvious adverse economic effects of the Eurocrat aristocracy’s petty and vindictive agenda for the disentanglement negotiations with the UK.

      It is a fact of life that most countries have a tendency to occasionally top some of their leading aristocrats, whose effete lifestyles and way of thinking have become totally alien to the majority of the population. So it is with the EU, the first heads which should roll into the tumbril are those of the extraordinarily arrogant Jean-Claude Juncker (President of the European Commission) and Martin Schulz (President of the European Parliament), whom history will recognise as being very important catalysts in the disintegration of the EU as we know it today.

      A potential positive side effect of all this is the possibility that the EU’s ruinous and pointless ‘climate change’ laws will be be put on permanent hold, or in the bin where they so obviously deserve to be.

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      delcon2

      I have already voted and it wasn’t for the”Lying,do nothing,career politicians”.

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      Sparks

      “the Irish are even worse…” Get off your ignorant high horse, The Irish fought and died on the right side in every war, even through troubled domestic times at home, they also voted to leave the undemocratic EU and were told to vote again by member countries including the United Kingdom…

      Let that sink in… Ireland held a referendum and voted to leave the EU, but were told to vote again!!!

      Dumbass!!

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    Phillip Bratby

    The BBC and the ‘establishment’ are still behaving as badly as ever. Just watch or listen to the ‘special’ BBC programmes after the vote. Sore losers describes these people with their sour grapes. They still cannot grasp that the people have voted against how they were told to vote by their betters, who know best what is good for the people.

    Just read Peter Hitchens at http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

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      Phillip Bratby

      And watch this short interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0mj4Pbcw68

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      Yonniestone

      I’m still surprised people expected those that oppose democracy would accept a democratic decision.

      The left will never truly debate as debating was a foundation of Athenian Democracy, nothing to do with making decisions based on fear and tyranny.

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      Raven

      Interesting perspective from Peter Hitchens.
      He observes that during a general election, people tend to vote according to their political leanings, more or less.
      But when asked if they want to leave or remain in the EU, those political leanings aren’t automatically triggered.

      That left both major parties to face the prospect that they didn’t actually represented the interests of their own constituents.
      One would think that must be sobering . . if they see it, that is.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        They won’t see it. They are enthralled by the bright shiny things that the unelected eurocrats bestow on each other.

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          ianl8888

          They won’t see it

          Oh,they see it alright – but they just don’t care. Democratic decisions by the plebs are not part of the EU Final Solution.

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            rapscallion

            It’s a bit of both I think. Some saw it and ignored it, and the others are so caught up in the Westminster bubbly that they just cannot see it. It is instructive that some 263 Labour MPs voted remain and yet virtually the entire labour voting working class voted leave – talk about a complete disconnect. Similarly the tories have exactly the same problem, castigated by Cameron as “Turnip taliban, swivel-eyed loons and other pejoratives, the tory grassroots vote leave too. Spooky that. Unsurprisingly UKIP supporters who have been slagged off by all sides for ages, decided to stick the boot in and vote Leave too (they’d have been daft not to really given the party name)

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    Robert

    My understanding is south of the Scottish border, apart from the enclave of London, people voted for Brexit. And yet the losers are wanting another vote inspite of strong support by the establishment for the remain case. Sour grapes, methinks.

    Obviously, there is a lot of vested interest affected by the people’s decision, but they are in the minority and will have to accept it. It’s not predictable how the Scots would vote if they have another devolution referendum, last time they didn’t want leave the UK. Perhaps join Ireland and form a Gaelic association including Brittany. But the Welsh want to stay with Britain!

    There are a lot of opinions floating around at the moment and it is best if people think carefully about the outcomes. If Donald becomes POTUS a lot more uncertainity to come; we live in interesting times.

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      TdeF

      There will also be a great exposure if Britain succeeds. Forget the gamblers and profit taking and turmoil on the exchange and in the markets. It is not a melt down, just a realignment of interests. If there currency goes down, that has more good than bad. Great for the economy. Bad for holiday in Europe and with Australia’s currency down even more, a good reason to get some real sunshine and warm water and without the crowds. As for trading, Britain can get back to what it does best, trading. The shackles are off. Who needs to be taxed by Brussels? What good did it do?

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        TdeF

        I mean exposure of those people who tried to intimidate Britons into voting against leaving the grip of Brussels. A big fear of the pundits is that they will be proven to have offered very bad, even self serving advice. So they can only sit back and hope for disaster.

        Really I thought the worst was Cameron, not prepared to lead his country in what he said would be their hour of need but to toss in the job? What does he want to do now? Do nothing and sit on the sidelines for three months with a smug smile while the country collapses as he predicted? Britain does not need that sort of leader.

        Worse, if he is shown to be quite wrong over time his record will be tarred by absolute proof of carelessness and arrogance at the highest level of government. Expect British business people to seize on the new opportunities. The EU would also be quite mad to turn down a free trade and travel agreement with the UK, but a lot of powerful people may be plotting revenge.

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          graphicconception

          I read an article about Cameron recently and it claimed that he was more tactician than strategist. That crystallized some of my thoughts. That is why Cameron was late into the Scottish Referendum debate. It also explains how he could promise a referendum in an attempt to overcome some local difficulty without ever expecting to haver one or accept the consequences.

          It is at time like these that true leaders come to the fore but Cameron seems to be in hiding. That says it all, really.

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          sophocles

          I think Cameron behaved honourably.
          He had campaigned hard for Remain, he lost.
          I trust Cameron knew himself when he said in his resignation speech “I am the wrong person to lead the Exit.” Kudos to him. He’s staying on long enough for someone who is thought to be `better suited’ to be elected to the job.

          Cameron had the courage to take the decision to the people in the referendum. He campaigned, hard, for Remain. They said “no” to Remain and hence to Cameron. Democracy in action.

          Cameron took the honest, honourable and democratic action. He no longer held the mandate from his people, so he could no longer govern them; he had to step aside. He has, unlike other politicians who do not, or refuse, to recognise their own loss of mandate and have to be shot, either figuratively or literally.

          That is the height of democratic, rather than autocratic, thought and action.
          Cameron is a great man for doing it.

          I’m also very surpised at the narrow minded, even vengeful, negative doom and gloom thinking from around the world. This is an opportunity, a great opportunity, for both the UK, the European Union and many other nations to take stock of themselves. Democracy may be, to quote Winston Churchill

          … a terrible form of government, but it’s the best we’ve got.

          The UK has reasserted its people’s belief in the Will of the People. Great stuff and good stuff. The anti-democratic governance has been rejected.

          Yes, it’s change. But those who accept it and reach for its opportunities, both political and economic, the forward-lookers, will be the winners. Those who sit on their a*$#$ and cry for the status quo, that which was, but is no more, the backwards-lookers, are, and always will be, the losers. Britain gave the world Parliamentary Democracy after fighting a Civil War for it in the 17th Century–No taxation without Representation.. After 1976, the EU, with each successive treaty, became more and more anti-democratic. The message from this is clear and they need to re-invent themselves. But, I think that’s beyond them.
          (I can hope to be proven wrong …)

          The People have put the Great back into Great Britain.

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        TdeF

        Their. Sorry.

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      Glen Michel

      It seems that there was an area in NW England (Lakes) that voted against.One thing for people to remember is that 48% voted to retain EU . So much for British bulldoggery that some over the top boofheads have put out here,and in the media.

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    pat

    a perfect example of what jo is saying -

    Bloomberg’s Francine (Lacqua) interviews former BANK OF ENGLAND shill, Adam Posen – mentions of Trump, Mussolini, Hitler, etc:

    VIDEO 1min29secs: 26 Jun: Bloomberg: Matthew Campbell/Svenja O’Donnell: Racist Incidents Have U.K. Worried What Referendum Wrought
    “There is no question the U.K. is shifting to a more racist atmosphere and policies. This is a rhetoric that’s showing up in the lives of schoolchildren,” said Adam Posen, a former member of the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy Committee who now leads the Peterson Institute for International Economics…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-26/racist-incidents-have-u-k-worried-what-referendum-has-wrought

    Wikipedia: Peterson Institute for International Economics
    President: Adam S. Posen
    Board of Directors
    The institute chairman is Peter G. Peterson, former chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, former United States Secretary of Commerce, and one of the founders of the Blackstone Group. Vice chairman is United Technologies Corporation Chairman, George David.
    Other prominent members of the institute’s board of directors include:…READ ON
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterson_Institute_for_International_Economics

    given the NAMES on the Board, it’s extraordinary Posen could speak as intemperately as he did in the Bloomberg interview.

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      OriginalSteve

      Typical leftist….throw labels around to make you feel bad, these people are seagulls – they squark and squark and squark and all the add to the planet is guano…..

      I got so cranky with a leftist one day who was throwing victim words at me because I was getting stuck into them, I told them they contributed nothing to this planet and specialized in being a waste of resources and space and seriously needed an attitiude adjustment.

      The problem with leftists, is unless you really rip into them and shatter the industrial-strength self-loathing hypnosis they place on themseleves, it doesnt snap them out of it…..

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      OriginalSteve

      Sorry…just noticed – the CFR is the *actual* american govt, its the Elites’ favourite policy mouthpiece.

      His comment lines up with the US’s Marxist-in-Chief who is an anti-colonialist….

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      Frederick Colbourne

      The Washington Post is just republishing päraphrases of the Remain propaganda.

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      M Conroy

      It hasn’t been a week yet since Brexit! And yet school children and sundry others are throwing their EU training to the wind and being racist, evil, intemperate bullies?

      Methinks the pot has not only called the kettle black, it has stolen its lid.

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    pat

    comment #5 is in moderation.

    26 Jun: ClimateChangeNews: Ed King: Crib notes: UK climate plans in limbo as Brexit chaos deepens
    “As I sit here today, I believe the flow of foreign direct investment has all but dried up while international businesses wait to see how this is resolved.”
    The words of UK foreign secretary Philip Hammond on Sunday, two days after the UK voted to quit the European Union.
    Since then all hell has broken loose…
    The UK energy department is putting a brave face on this… a spokesperson told Climate Home:
    “There will be no immediate changes and the Government will continue working to deliver its agenda. DECC is committed to making sure consumers have secure, affordable and clean energy now and in the future.”…
    The European Commission’s climate team declined to comment, pointing us to a terse statement from Jean Claude Juncker on Friday.
    Whatever. Here are six questions the UK and EU will need to answer moving forward:
    #4 Are climate sceptics coming back to power?…

    Brexit and climate summit
    With impeccable timing there’s a huge gathering of leaders from business, government and UN agencies in London this week, where the impacts of Brexit on global low carbon efforts will be high on the agenda….For more details check out the event website.(LINK)

    Australia decides
    …on July 4. There are rumours circulating incumbent PM Malcolm Turnbull has a climate plan up his sleeve, but if so it’s a well-hidden secret say his critics…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/06/26/crib-notes-uk-climate-plans-in-limbo-as-brexit-chaos-deepens/

    the impeccably-timed summit:

    20 Jun: The Climate Group: New speakers announced for the Business & Climate Summit
    LONDON: The 2016 Business & Climate Summit, taking place at the Guildhall in the heart of the city of London next week, today announced more global CEO and policymakers speaking at the Summit.
    New speakers include Stuart Gulliver, CEO, HSBC; Paul Polman, CEO, Unilever; Jean-Bernard Lévy, Chairman and CEO, EDF; Rana Kapoor,CEO, Yes Bank; Felipe Calderón, Former President of Mexico and Chair of the Global Commission on the Economy and Climate; Sir Martin Sorrell, CEO, WPP; Bruno Lafont, CEO, LafargeHolcim; Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, Former Nigerian Finance Minister; and Saker Nusseibeh, CEO, Hermes Investment Management. See the full list of speakers here.

    The new line up will join an impressive array of speakers previously announced including: Christiana Figueres, UNFCCC Executive Secretary – in her last international speaking engagement in her current role; Patrick Pouyanne, Chairman & CEO, Total; Michel Madelain, Vice Chairman, Moody’s Investors Service; Gerard Mestrallet, Chairman, Paris EUROPLACE, Chairman, ENGIE; Rachel Kyte, CEO, Sustainable Energy for All (SE4ALL) and Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General for Sustainable Energy for All; Sir Roger Gifford, Chairman, City of London’s Green Finance Initiative; Roberto Azevedo, World Trade Organization Director-General;Mahendra Singhi, CEO, Dalmia Cement (Bharat); and Jean-Dominique Senard, CEO, Michelin.
    A full agenda for the Summit, which takes place on June 28-29, has also been released for the first time and can be found online here (LINK). All sessions will be live streamed on http://www.BusinessClimateSummit.com (LINK).

    On June 28 the focus will be on implementing the Paris Agreement, what the Agreement means for business and how the private sector can lead the way back to a sub-2° Celcius pathway. The We Mean Business coalition’s ‘Business Determined Contributions’ report will be launched on the opening day.
    ***On June 29 the action moves to finance and how trillions of dollars of investment can be unlocked to fund the transition to a low carbon economy.
    http://www.theclimategroup.org/what-we-do/news-and-blogs/new-speakers-announced-for-the-business-and-climate-summit/

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      TdeF

      Ha! It is likely the 2016 Business and Climate Summit is itself not sustainable! At least without tens of billions in cash from UK citizens. They can talk all they like. The cash is stopping. Maybe the floods will stop too when the channels and drains are cleaned again. Imagine. No more windmills! The International consortium of purveyors and vendors of windmills and solar panels will be in total panic and desperate to stop the problem spreading to other nuclear powered countries. Like the EU itself, for all that money for those tens of thousands of windmills, what actual good has been done? They need WEXIT. Windmill Exit. Of course you could put a windmill in the conference hall and power it from the delegates and their frustration that the party is over. It also would be intermittent and not sustainable.

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    HRT

    Hi Jo,

    OT I know however….

    The Royal United Services Institute of New South Wales publishes a journal called United Service. In the Winter 2016 issue there is an article by Admiral Chris Barrie AC RAN (Ret’d) in which he writes about what he sees as the dangers of climate change: http://www.rusinsw.org.au/Papers/20160329.pdf

    If you have the time or interest, I wonder if you would read his piece and publish your comments.

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      AndyG55

      First line is ERROR, ERROR, ERROR.

      “With global surface warming currently tracking towards +3.7°C…. by 2060″

      BULLS**T

      The guy is talking utter nonsense

      A full-on AGW NUTTER !!

      Read those words, and stop reading.

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    Hugh

    Excellent point, Jo.

    But a pity the map, due to scale, can’t include one of the truly glorious achievements of the British Empire: Hong Kong – perhaps the greatest conscious experiment in capitalism in the whole of human history to date.

    Check out the comments at Wikipedia on Sir John Cowperthwaite, its phenomenally successful Finance Secretary from 1961 to 1971:

    “He returned to Hong Kong in 1945 and continued to rise through the ranks. He was asked to find ways in which the government could boost post-war economic outlook but found the economy was recovering swiftly without any government intervention. He took the lesson to heart and positive non-interventionism became the focus of his economic policy as Financial Secretary.

    [... and here's my favourite...]

    “He refused to collect economic statistics to avoid officials meddling in the economy.”

    Brilliant! Greatest bureaucrat ever, perhaps?

    Were the European Union governing bodies populated with Cowperthwaite-type bureaucrats, there might have been a reason for staying in.

    I think monkeys might type out Bibles more frequently.

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    Give it a few weeks/months and most will realise the world has not ended, except for the EU. Ironically, while the stock market dropped around 3% in the UK, it dropped around twice as much in the EU and Switzerland (who pulled out of the EU after the Brexit result), also saw only around a 3% drop. So who are the ones who should be worried?

    The Brexit, failing climate change and whatever else, it signals the 21st century socialist’s dream is starting to fall apart. We only now need Trump to triumph (I’m still not sure about Australia) and it will signal a new world order, one that’s actually for the better.

    Maybe it will also be the start of a new world order in our universities and media, which are currently producing and employing elderly children incapable of independent thought and analysis. I’m especially talking about those 18-25 year olds that couldn’t be bothered to vote and are now complaining about the outcomes.

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      I wanted to correct my figures. Apparently it was the 18-24 year olds in question. Only 36% of them put in the effort to vote, maybe they thought responding to a hash tag was enough (hash tags fix every problem in the world as I understand). Interestingly enough, 58% of 25-34 year old bothered to vote. The numbers thereafter were significantly larger.

      For the ‘triggered’ 18-24 year olds, maybe the government could offer them a communal crèche where they could hug and share selfies to assuage their woes until they grow up. As for Scotland, maybe the UK could offer them free DVDs of Braveheart to remind them of who they once were. As for Ireland, I have no idea.

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        Glen Michel

        It’s a matter of getting the lovelies out of bed mate.

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        delcon2

        Yes Bemused,you are correct.And now the “Remain”camp are saying that there should be an election to “Ratify”the Brexit vote.How many times do they have to be told Brexit?

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    tom0mason

    “Britain is an open and tolerant country… ”
    and
    “We are open for business…”
    George Osborn ( chancellor of the UK government) 5 minutes ago.

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    It’s just hard to imagine what the World would be like now if it wasn’t for ….. Little Britain.

    Who is this man?

    ….. enlarged the resources of his Country, increased the power of Man, and rose to an eminent place among the most illustrious followers of Science and the real benefactors of the World.

    Hint. Sometimes I may rabbit on a bit about a closely related subject.

    (and no, it’s not John Harrison)

    Tony.

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      tom0mason

      IKB?

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        That’s the one?

        I’ll just put the kettle on….

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          Manfred

          Inventions and progress occur step by step, block by block, one generation or one experimenter standing on the proverbial shoulders of the previous publication and author.

          It was by his research on the magnetic field around a conductor carrying a direct current that Faraday established the basis for the concept of the electromagnetic field in physics.

          It was through this that Faraday enabled an understanding of inductance and capacitance, and the generation of electricity.

          His inventions of electromagnetic rotary devices formed the foundation of electric motor technology, and it was largely due to his efforts that electricity became practical for use in technology.

          On reflection James Watt may have been a bit early for Tony. His criteria would be better fulfilled by Michael Faraday.

          Albert Einstein kept a picture of Faraday on his study wall, alongside pictures of Isaac Newton and James Clerk Maxwell. Physicist Ernest Rutherford stated, “When we consider the magnitude and extent of his discoveries and their influence on the progress of science and of industry, there is no honour too great to pay to the memory of Faraday, one of the greatest scientific discoverers of all time.”

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    pat

    how often was it said following COP21 in Paris in Dec 2015 that the “EU faces two-year wrangle to ratify Paris climate deal”?
    ***not so, according to E3G/Rio Tinto guy:

    24 Jun: Bloomerg: For U.S. Exporters Who Profited From One Europe, New Uncertainty
    by Jeff Plungis & Brian Wingfield
    Climate Agreement
    Drawn-out negotiations between the U.K. and Europe — including the potentially two years’ worth of talks — would keep existing climate commitments the same if the Paris deal is ratified and comes into force first, said Tom Burke, chairman of the London-based sustainability group E3G and an environmental policy adviser to Rio Tinto Plc.
    As long as those talks are still under way, “we remain a member bound by every European law and all the treaties we’re obliged to remain until that process is over,” Burke said. “The Paris agreement ***will be ratified this year, and Britain ***will have ratified it as part of the EU.”
    One of the Paris deal’s major architects, the head of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, Christiana Figueres, said Wednesday that the U.K . divorce from the EU would require “a recalibration.”…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-24/for-u-s-exporters-who-profited-from-one-europe-new-uncertainty

    25 Jun: EurActiv: James Crisp: Brexit calls EU climate action into question as top MEP quits
    The European Union’s plans to reform its broken carbon market have been thrown into turmoil after the British lead MEP on the bill to revise the Emissions Trading System resigned after the UK voted to leave the bloc.
    Ian Duncan, the only Conservative MEP for Scotland, tendered his resignation just hours after it became apparent that Britain has chosen Brexit.
    Duncan, who won his seat in the 2014 European Parliament elections, wrote to Giovani La Via, the Chairman of the Environmental Committee…
    Revamping the world’s biggest scheme for trading carbon emissions allowances is a vital part of the EU being able to meet the Paris Agreement commitments it made to cap global warming at the UN Climate Change Conference.

    ***The Paris Agreement – in the process of ratification – will now need to be rewritten.

    Speaking yesterday, the executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change Christiana Figueres said, “From the point of view of the Paris Agreement, the UK is part of the EU and has put in its effort as part of the EU so anything that would change that would require a recalibration,” she said at a press conference…
    The leading figures of the Leave campaign are likely to have significant roles but, as well as being Eurosceptic, some are also climate-sceptic. That has fuelled further uncertainty over the future of British climate action…
    Richard Black (FORMER BBC), director at London-based think-tank the Energy & Climate Intelligence Unit said, ““On climate change there has been speculation that an independent UK would scrap measures to tackle the problem.
    “These measures are mostly enshrined in British law, however, and it seems likely that the strong cross-party majority in favour of reducing emissions in both Houses of Parliament would seek to defend them.”
    http://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/brexit-calls-eu-climate-action-into-question-as-top-mep-quits/

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    pat

    ***yep, still 18 months to go.

    UK Daily Mail: EU says seeks swift ratification of Paris climate accord
    BRUSSELS, June 10 (Reuters) – The European Union called on its 28 member states on Wednesday to speed up ratification of the Paris climate accord so the bloc is not left behind in an international push to curb global warming.
    The EU executive, as a separate party to the agreement in addition to the member states, laid out its procedure for ratification on Wednesday, a process which will require approval by the European Parliament and EU leaders.
    But the timeline for doing so remains unclear…
    Ratification in Europe, however, entails a tortuous process that needs to be taken in parallel both at the EU level and at the national level, where each member state has different rules…
    EU ministers will now discuss the bloc’s procedure for ratification at their quarterly gathering on June 20…
    Many EU member states are reluctant to move to ratify before the bloc agrees in what is expected to be a tough debate on how to share out the burden of cutting its emissions.
    That debate will begin in earnest next month when the European Commission proposes individual member state emissions targets for achieving its Paris pledge to cut emissions by 40 percent below 1990 levels by 2030.
    ***It could take around 18 months to reach an agreement.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3635322/EU-says-seeks-swift-ratification-Paris-climate-accord.html

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      OriginalSteve

      LOve it…sit and watch while the numpties in the EU tie themselves in knots over a fairy story….wouldnt that be the ultimate proof of inexhaustable EU stupidity?

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    J.H.

    Boris Johnson needs to find what his numbers are and if he does have the numbers, to take the leadership immediately. He needs to dump the current cabinet and fill it with Brexit supporters and British patriots…. He needs to get to Brussels as soon as possible and invoke article 50 and start the process…. He probably couldn’t go too wrong either, by reaching across the chamber and offering Labor and Ukip Brexit supporters key roles in enacting article 50 and the Brexit…. Because the political divide in the UK has changed, it isn’t Tory and Labor any longer….. It is now Brexit and Bremain.

    The Political landscape is all brand new in the UK now…. Any Brexit politician and supporter would be foolish to let anyone tell them otherwise.

    Seize the day…. or it will be lost to history. Make Britain great again.

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      AndyG55

      If I had the power to award gold stars.

      This comment would be it. !!

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      Phillip Bratby

      Prrecisely what Peter Hitchens was saying in the short interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0mj4Pbcw68 that I linked to above, and also in his articles at his blog http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

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      Manfred

      Exactly. Current politics transcends the tired old politics of envy and the more recent politics of Cultural Marxism. It may now be about a sense of self, a rediscovery of cultural identity and history. The counterpoint, immersion in a gray totalitarian monochrome of eco-globalism, whether in a proto-global EU or, in the global UN by 2030, rings the death knell of freedom and self-determination. It seems that the only way this is ever going to happen and endure – for a while – could be at the end of a gun.

      The eco-globalists squeal like stuck pigs. This is the characteristic of those suffering acute withdrawal. The addiction to their power trip and a daily cortical massage by the sycophantic MSM is precisely why absolute power corrupts absolutely. Going cold turkey on the rocks of democratic reality is a soul shattering experience for the latte sippers of London and their Euro-hangers on. They will wail for awhile, quite likely to steadily diminishing attention.

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    Millions of young [snip] males, many very recently and at the personal invitation of Chancellor Merkel, have made their way into the heart of a severely strained German Empire which is now interested in having its own police and army.

    Those Germans are still allied with Turkey, both through NATO and one-to-one ties, not to mention historical sentiment. Turkey, now more Islamist than Kemalist, wants to be a great energy hub between the Middle East and Europe. (It probably wouldn’t mind grabbing some oily territory and go full-Ottoman, but patience!)

    Turkey and the German Empire now face old enemy Russia, which would only need to stop the dismantling of Syria and grab bit more of the Caspian to be pipeline king in a post-OPEC era where low price and high volume are the only ways to dominate. (High prices bring massive western producers into play, even Australia, which has more gas than Qatar now that Goliath is going, but can’t produce nearly as cheaply as Qatar.)

    Fears of full German re-armament, actually using EU funds and resources while draining the forces of NATO, Britain, and France, may seem far-fetched. But the Commission President and German Defense Minister have called for it openly. And do you need to ask how that army’s ranks will be filled with enthusiastic youths?

    Of course, you could say that Germany, as head of a dodgy mega-cartel called the EU, is not exactly an Empire. Me, I’d like to call it quits on Reichs after the third one.

    So well done, UK. Bodyline is forgiven.

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    Nick

    Excellent Video, Jo. I heartily recommend ‘The Gathering Storm’ (even though Vanessa Redgrave is a loony leftie) as I am sure we can see some close parallels to today’s world.

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    LightningCamel

    Well done the Poms! A majority of them at least recognise bulldust when they see it. It is interesting to hear the intellectually arrogant, bureaucratic, control freaks bleating. At least Britain has escaped this.

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    Ross

    There is some talk of the EU top dogs using whatever tricks they can to side line this , like they did with the Irish. Also there is talk that because Cameron has pushed the triggering of Article 50 until October this will help delay things and its possible the triggering could be a year or so away, if at all.

    I’m sure all this thinking and scheming is going on but I think it will fail.

    I agree with J.H. that it can be stopped, in the way he has outlined it. But also we have had the political elite exposed in way they have never been before. In fact the phrase “political elite” is probably quite new to many people. They have probably thought something was going on but could never really see it in a clear way. Now they can. So if the elite try their usual games it will very clear for all to see and they will fail because no matter what the BBC and other compliant media try to do to mask it up like they have in the past the Internet will over ride them.

    So I agree with Jo in saying that the fight has just began.

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    Ross

    I should have added that it looks like the Conservatives are trying to push Farage aside. Big mistake. If they do, then the UKIP ( maybe with a new name/brand) will rise up and cane them in the next election.

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    Not scared of the outside world, want to escape to it!

    Last on leaving the EU please switch off the light – or
    blow out the candle …

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    Ok, some people swallowed the ludicrous statements of the climate doomsayers, but in my experience a growing number are picking up on the fact that they are being lied to. The response of the doomsayers has been to get louder and more frenetic. This Brexit clamour is going the same way. At one time in the past day or so, Reuters “World News” RSS had Brexit doom in six out of the ten items in their list. Interesting times …..

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    el gordo

    ‘Lead Brexit campaigner and potential future British prime minister Boris Johnson has also been portrayed as a climate sceptic after dismissing warmer-than-usual summer temperatures as being linked to climate change. Global Warming Policy Foundation director Benny Peiser said the decision by the British people to leave the EU would have ­significant and long-term impli­cations for energy and climate polic­ies. Carbon prices in the EU’s emissions trading market plunged 17 per cent in the wake of the Brexit referendum result.

    Graham Lloyd / Oz

    Greg Hunt is ‘rock solid’ in his determination to honor the Paris Agreement.

    VOTE INFORMAL

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    ROM

    Too late!

    The anti EU genie is out of the bottle if we are to read the European press which is nearly all pro EU.
    They are completely shocked by Brexit and are now taking a long look at themselves and the EU’s derisory regard for the rights and desires of the Citizens of the EU member nations
    And asking themselves, How did it come to this?

    And surprisingly a lot of that European press are now blaming the EU elite and their inflexibility, their complete lack of regard or respect for anybody except the elites and their complete lack of any democratic underpinnings in all their governing organisations.

    My reading suggests that deep down, it is not the British who are copping the blame in most of European press for exiting the EU.
    The European press is very grudgingly admitting in a very round about way that maybe the British people had good reasons given their very long democratic history, to leave the EU.
    And if the British have voted to leave then there are other current EU nations who also have good reasons to exit the EU UNLESS there is a major restructuring of the whole EU to eliminate the increasingly dictatorial attitudes of the EU elite and to give very substantial democratic voting rights over Eu dictates back to the EU citizens.

    And the European press is a different segment of the EU than the rabble rousers of the hard green left who are now making the most noise and who had pinned everything onto exerting ever more dictatorial control over the peoples of the EU through their steady infiltration of all of the EU’s increasingly arrogant, unresponsive and contemptuous of national parliaments, EU bureaucracies and governing bodies.

    Every where the commentary is that the EU will have to reform and do so quite dramatically if it is to survive.
    Any attempts at cosmetic reform are merely going to stoke the fires of the rising popularity of the anti EU, pro exit national right wing political parties that have appeared and are rapidly gaining numbers across the whole gamut of EU nations.
    ——————-
    As others outside of Europe see it;

    From; USA Today[ April 30 2016 ]

    Right-wing parties threaten to upend EU’s mainstream politics
    [ quoted ]

    After decades of backing mainstream politics, European voters across the continent are increasingly empowering right-wing parties to upend Europe’s long march toward a common economic, social and political union.
    &
    After decades of backing mainstream politics, European voters across the continent are increasingly empowering right-wing parties to upend Europe’s long march toward a common economic, social and political union.
    &

    “Europe is disintegrating as we speak,” said Sophia in ‘t Veld, a Dutch liberal member of the European Parliament. “It’s a risk everywhere.”
    &

    The upstart politicians’ targets are centrist leaders who have supported the cause for European unity since the 1950s, pushing for common trade, immigration, currency and budgetary rules at the price of national sovereignty and discretion in implementing social policies.

    [ much more >>>]
    ——————

    From Wiki;

    Euroscepticism

    [quoted ]

    Eurobarometer survey 2012

    A survey in 2012, conducted by TNS Opinion and Social on behalf of the European Commission, showed that, for the European Union overall, those who think that their country’s interests are looked after well in the EU are now in a minority (42%).

    Those with a positive image of the EU are down from a high of 52% in 2007 to a low of 31% in May 2012 (unchanged since November 2011);

    this compares with 28% with a negative image of the EU, and 39% with a neutral image (up from a low of 14% in 2007).[27][28]

    About 31% of EU citizens tend to trust the European Union as an institution, and about 60% do not tend to trust it

    Trust in the EU has fallen from a high of 57% in 2007 to 31% in 2012,

    while trust in national governments has fallen from 43% in 2007 to 28% in 2012; so the EU has moved from enjoying much more trust than national governments in 2007 to a position of enjoying only slightly more trust than national governments in 2012.

    Trust in the EU is lowest in the United Kingdom (16% trust, 75% distrust) and highest in Bulgaria (55% trust; 15% distrust).

    Trust in national governments in these two countries is 21% (distrust 77%) and 28% (distrust 64%) respectively.[29]

    [ / ]
    —————–
    Edit;
    The rise of the European right wing parties since 2010 would arguably indicate that Trust in the EU and European governments, all of which are EU supporters albeit i now becoming reluctant in some national governments, they are the political elite of course, has declined precipitously since that above survey was taken in 2012.
    —————

    David Cameron, the UK’s now temporary lame duck Prime Minister and his wife Samantha.

    Samantha Cameron is reputedly a card carrying member of Greenpeace which in all likelihood has subsequently had a very big influence on Cameron and his decision to go to a referendum on a continuing EU membership.

    I would suggest that there is a good possibility that Greenpeace was pushing Cameron in this to really reinforce their efforts to insinuate themselves even further within the UK governing bodies and then tinto the EU governing bodies so as to enhance their political power and influence until they became untouchable through manipulation of the political system , the selection of judges for the legal system and the enforcing of Greenpeaces policies on the citizenary of the EU who had no vote or ability to challenge any Eu dictates.
    What a glorious power wielding situation and an unhampered and unchallengeable road to immense power , wealth and influence over the 450 million citizens of Europe this would have had for the Greenpeace executives

    All through subtle pressures of various types and intensities applied through the influence of Samantha Cameron on her husband.

    If so and its a long bow I know, Greenpeace has now lost out in a massive fashion which might just be a harbinger and indicator that they are on the skids on that very long downhill run into the histories twilight zone from where there is no coming back.

    And that is just what a recent survey indicated re all the EU’s climate change green power and etc .
    The citizens of the UK were about fed up with the EU’s ; green watermelon’s energy and environmental policies and voted accordingly.

    If so Greenpeace

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      ROM

      I think you are absolutely right about Greenpeace. Whether it was through Cameron’s wife or not, it does not matter –what you are suggesting as their goal is bang on.

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      AndyG55

      @ROM:

      I just checked the ages of the EU Commissioners.

      You were out of date.

      The average age is 54.9.

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        ROM

        Just as well those ages didn’t have any exponents!
        [ From an old guys perspective who left school around 63 years ago now, "exponents " if thats the right word for those little numbers that tell everybody they are real big numbers ; I would have been out by a few tens of thousands of years in that average age of the EU Commissioners.]

        And that average age of those EU Commissioners will be another three years older by the time they reach the end of their tenure on the Commission in 2019.

        Oh dear, I am trying to imagine all those under 24 year olds, who so despise all those stupid British old timers for voting for Brexit, living under and being governed by those nearly 58 year old averaged aged EU commissioners in 2019 and not even being allowed a vote or comment on anything those EU Commissioners might dream up yet again in their dotage.

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          AndyG55

          Certainly a number to quote to the chillum if they start complaining about us old fogies taking away their future ;-)

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      Raven

      ROM,
      Are you channeling Cicero?

      Treason from Within?

      “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
      — Marcus Tullius Cicero, from a speech given to the Roman Senate, recorded in approximately 42 B.C. by Sallust.

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    An entertaining aside from Richard North at EUReferendum.com as he watched the results come in:

    Hillary Benn says “if you walk away from the world’s largest market, you crate (sic) a great deal of uncertainty”. Note to Benn … if we leave, the EU is no longer the world’s largest market!

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    Peter C

    Lovely essay Jo.

    A perfect 10 in my opinion.

    Loved this:

    “Little Britain” ran the largest empire the world has ever known — spreading democracy, justice, and one language

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      wert

      Frankly the one language thing cannot be seen as justice and democracy. Nor British presence in Southern Africa can be seen as a sign of not being racist.

      I have nothing against Britain leaving the EU and I hope it happens in good order and a civilized way from the EU side, but really the maps of the British Empire are not things to be only proud of.

      I hope the EU will now finally get a parliament that has real power over the Commission.’

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    ROM

    Lord Ashcroft Polls

    How the United Kingdom voted on Thursday… and why

    The UK has voted to leave the European Union. On referendum day I surveyed 12,369 people after they had voted to help explain the result – who voted for which outcome, and what lay behind their decision.

    A majority of those working full-time or part-time voted to remain in the EU; most of those not working voted to leave.
    More than half of those retired on a private pension voted to leave, as did two thirds of those retired on a state pension.
    Among private renters and people with mortgages, a small majority (55% and 54%) voted to remain; those who owned their homes outright voted to leave by 55% to 45%.
    Around two thirds of council and housing association tenants voted to leave.

    A majority (57%) of those with a university degree voted to remain, as 64% of those with a higher degree and more than four in five (81%) of those still in full time education.

    Among those whose formal education ended at secondary school or earlier, a large majority voted to leave.

    White voters voted to leave the EU by 53% to 47%. Two thirds (67%) of those describing themselves as Asian voted to remain, as did three quarters (73%) of black voters.
    Nearly six in ten (58%) of those describing themselves as Christian voted to leave; seven in ten Muslims voted to remain.

    [ edit ; That last above is a very interesting and not a very good statistic for racial integration into a British citizenship. Enough said at this point about that !]

    The AB social group (broadly speaking, professionals and managers) were the only social group among whom a majority voted to remain (57%). C1s divided fairly evenly; nearly two thirds of C2DEs (64%) voted to leave the EU.

    ***

    Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”.
    [ edit; the Achilles heel of the EU unless it restructures radically to allow national desicisons within a loose and agreed framework.]

    One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.”
    Just over one in eight (13%) said remaining would mean having no choice “about how the EU expanded its membership or its powers in the years ahead.”

    Only just over one in twenty (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”
    -
    For remain voters, the single most important reason for their decision was that “the risks of voting to leave the EU looked too great when it came to things like the economy, jobs and prices” (43%).
    Just over three in ten (31%) reasoned that remaining would mean the UK having “the best of both worlds”, having access to the EU single market without Schengen or the euro.
    Just under one in five (17%) said their main reason was that the UK would “become more isolated from its friends and neighbours”, and fewer than one in ten (9%) said it was “a strong attachment to the EU and its shared history, culture and traditions.”

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    Ross

    A question for UK friends.

    There is talk on the Net that the referendum result has “to be agreed to” by the Parliament and because about 75-80% of MPs voted remain, that this requirement could be used to stifle or delay any progress. Maybe even cause for an early election and one party campaigns on a remain policy and they circumvent the result that way, by having a defacto second referendum.

    Do you give any credence to these thoughts?

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      el gordo

      While you’re waiting for a UK citizen, may I suggest England and Wales could quit the UK, leaving Scotland and Northern Ireland to carry on with the European malaise as if nothing has changed.

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        ROM

        Scotland won’t be joining the EU as a separate state.

        Spain will veto that along with a couple of other EU nations.
        In Spain’s case it would be because of the possibility of the Basque province breaking away from Spain and getting recognised by the EU if Scotland was allowed to set the precedent.
        Like wise with a couple of other separatist provinces and states in other EU nations.

        Secondly the EU requires any new nations applying for EU membership to adopt the Euro as its currency.
        And the Euro is going down the pits as EU instability or percieved instability begins to bite in the currency markets.

        And thats only the start of the complications for Scotland and Northern Ireland if they want to leave the UK and go with the EU which is going to be a very different EU if it still exists as the EU in another 3 or 4 years time.

        Go down to comments by Andy Dawson on Euan Mearns “Energy Matters” blog Brexit Special post for quite a good discussion on this Scotland / Northern Ireland and the British / EU political porridge of instability and Where the heck do we go from here, How do we do it and What are we supposed to be doing in any case?

        Politics must be marvelous for the ego when the crowd roars and gives you the thumbs up.

        Get the thumbs down from the crowd and the boos and hisses and the sweat starts pouring and political death is around the corner with next swing of the political axe unless you are one hell of a nimble politician.
        Ask David Cameron!

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    pat

    27 Jun: UK Daily Mail: John Stevens: It’s all your fault, Juncker! European politician slams Brussels chief, telling him he is the symbol of everything Britain voted against and must now QUIT
    ‘Negative symbol’ Jean-Claude Juncker blamed for Brexit result
    The former prime minister of Luxembourg has refused to stand down
    Czech foreign minister Lubomir Zaoralek said the EU’s chief bureaucrat was a ‘negative symbol’ of the kind of federalism British voters rejected in the referendum.
    ‘In my opinion, he is not the right person for that position. We have to ask who is responsible for the result of the referendum in Britain,’ Mr Zaoralek told Czech television.
    Mr Juncker, a former prime minister of Luxembourg who has been dogged by rumours of ill health, has insisted he will not stand down.
    European leaders yesterday accepted it could take months for Britain to kick-start the process of leaving the EU because the country is facing a ‘very significant political crisis’…
    … last night diplomats from all 27 other member states agreed that it was unrealistic for the country to formally begin negotiations until a new prime minister had been appointed…
    While the Prime Minister will attend the EU summit tomorrow, he will be pointedly left outside the room on Wednesday as the other 27 members discuss measures including security and counter-terrorism…
    ***Germany and France will today unveil a plan for EU countries to integrate further following Brexit…
    In a joint paper, French foreign minister Jean-Marc Ayrault and his German counterpart Frank-Walter Steinmeier will argue for measures including joint EU taxes…
    They will also push for ‘the convergence of our economies to achieve sustained growth’…
    ***Mr Juncker yesterday suggested Ukip’s MEPs should give up their seats. He told the German newspaper Bild: ‘Members of the European Parliament are elected until the end of the parliamentary term.
    ‘They will retain their rights and obligations until the UK leaves the EU. However, I note that many British MEPs belonging to the UK Independence Party (Ukip) have used all their time in Parliament to work against the institution.
    ‘I can imagine that they will not stay any longer than they have to.’
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3661277/Blame-Juncker-Brussels-chief-told-stands-Britain-voted-against-quit.html

    27 Jun: UK Daily Mail: John Stevens: Carry on trading, beg German car bosses: Manufacturers demand Britain be allowed to continue trading with the EU without any barriers
    German car-making industry said punishing Britain makes no sense
    Angela Merkel called on to give the UK a favourable trade deal after Brexit
    Eurosceptics argue it’s not in EU’s interests to force tariffs on UK imports
    Matthias Wissmann, of the German Association of the Automotive Industry (VDA): ‘Every possible measure must be undertaken to enable the continued free movement of goods and services between the UK and the other EU countries. Following British departure from the EU, it will be in nobody’s interest to make the international flow of goods more expensive by erecting customs barriers between Britain and the European continent.’
    Germany sells more cars to Britain than to any other country, with 810,000 exported last year, Mr Wissman said. And half of the 2.6million cars made in Britain last year were built by German-owned firms such as BMW, which runs Mini and Rolls-Royce.
    Mr Wissman said: ‘We should do everything we can to ensure that this success story will be continued. Now it is up to Brussels to take action.’…
    Energy firm E.ON, which is based in Dusseldorf, is also lobbying against new customs barriers. Chief executive Johannes Teyssen said that ‘as far as possible’ EU leaders should aim to retain a ‘single market for goods and services for the British’.
    Office for National Statistics figures show the gap between Britain’s EU exports and imports widened to £23.9billion in the first three months of this year– a record high. In 2000, 60 per cent of UK exports went to EU nations, but last year it was just 47 per cent…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3661255/Carry-trading-beg-German-car-bosses-Manufacturers-demand-Britain-allowed-continue-trading-EU-without-barriers.html

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    Great post well said Jo.

    Also laughing pretty hard at the Australian market today. ABC predicting brokers throwing themselves from windows by 10am and the market shrugged and went back to business as usual. The scare mongers just cant take a trick lately.

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    gnome

    This yearning for empire is getting a little out of hand and a lot tiresome. Let’s stick to global warming topics so that our US friends, who have been the strongest defenders of freedom and the rule of law for well over two centuries now, can take part in the conversation without embarrassment on our behalves.

    Leave history to the historians if you don’t understand it. (And very few of you do.)

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      What’s happening in Britain and Europe is very much tied in with the global warming scare, which comes out of the UN (also aiming for global government and no choice to the people).

      Jo – I am so very pleased you are covering Brexit and its outcomes and all reactions. This is an important milestone in history and an important milestone in the story of global warming, whether people realize it or not, and if it triggers an unraveling of the EU, it triggers the unraveling of the very global governance that the greens and alarmists are manipulating us for!

      Please, please keep up this reporting. If the media could sweep this under the rug, it would. People are rising up everywhere and I for one want to watch it happen!

      And yes, for the coming bonfires of needless red tape and regulations, I have my marshmallows ready, my matches and lots of accelerant. It’s Wintertime here is Australia and I plan to be toasty warm.

      :)

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      M Conroy

      I, a USAn, don’t mind seeing, reading, thinking, on all the EU, Brexit, etc., matters. It’s a facet of the world that isn’t understood well here, is mis- and under- reported, and I am appreciating the education I’m getting.

      Of course, a another week of solid Brexit may just explode my brain cells, but a day or three more won’t (I hope) or, at least, should only explode a few.

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    Peter C

    This yearning for empire is getting a little out of hand

    I think you are drawing a long bow here gnome. What yearning for Empire? I think that is a misrepresentation of what Jo was saying. The point was; are the British timid and inward looking?
    An example from history is not out of place. What is your point?

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      gnome

      Read the first line of the first comment here and ask yourself if this discussion thread is something which our US friends will find attractive. Does it help in the debate against global warming?

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        Ross

        gnome

        I agree with A.D. Everard above. These two are linked. The EU is the backbone of the IPCC support. If it ends up in chaos which is entirely possible ( I think a few heads will roll as was said above) then anything could happen with the AGW issue.
        A basic issue –what happens to all the EU money given to the UK environmental NGOs? or what happens to those NGOs?

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          delcon2

          Well,the Eu is going to be about 9 Billion Euro’s short now,with-out the UK’s contribution.That will put a dent in the amounts that Greenpi$$,FOE and all the other NGO’s used get get.LOL.

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    michael hart

    Some people still include Calais in a map of the British Empire :)
    In fact, the Mayor of Calais has now demanded that the Calais migrant camp be moved over the English Channel. The irony of why they are at Calais in the first place, and why they might want to leave, seems to have escaped her entirely.

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    Andrew McRae

    Speaking of xenophobia, meet the One Nation Party’s prime support base.

    Dear old memoryvault would only go as far as recommending a W.D.M. on the ballot. Themm Nunnov will be on the dole queue if that lass takes over as MV’s campaign manager. :D

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    graphicconception

    The current media hype in the UK has to be seen to be believed. Clearly they did not expect this to happen and are having difficulty understanding it. Really, it is quite obvious: they are out of touch with what most people think. They just have not realised it.

    The main political parties are the same. They are essentially the same these days. They are both trying to occupy the Blairite territory. The Hitchens YouTube clip posted by Philip Bratby sums it up well.

    I think I should be in charge. Could I be worse than Junker? Would fewer people vote for me?

    My plan: Move the Remainians out of London to Scotland then let Scotland quit the Union. Now, just to make sure, we would have another vote with just the people left to see if we wanted to leave the EU or not. I predict a landslide victory for the Brexiters this time.

    We will also have rid ourselves of the parasites in the financial industry who get bigger annual bonuses than my lifetime’s earnings, lots of out of touch media luvvies, many left wing councillors and the young ones who just moved to the city for the night life while they live on daddy’s handouts.

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    graphicconception

    To follow up on Jo’s post: First, I need to make the point that the EU is NOT Europe. However, even though we are leaving the EU we are, in fact, re-joining the world.

    I hope our erstwhile friends in the Commonwealth will forgive us for aligning ourselves with Europe at their expense for forty years or so.

    In the new world, a coalition of China, India and Brazil would have enough labour and resources to run a parallel world. They could completely ignore the US and the EU and it would not matter to them.

    China has recently put more satellites into orbit at one time than anyone else and they also have made the world’s fastest computer – using their own chips. The stagnant, dictatorial EU is not the place to be at the moment. It is the old world.

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    TdeF

    It must also annoy bureaucrats in Brussels, Germany and France that the ‘lingua Franca’ of the modern world, the language of diplomacy, sport, technology, music, entertainment is not French, but English. Let them try German, French, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Belgian, Flemish, Croatian, Serbian, Polish, Hungarian, Finnish, Russian. Now they have to speak English without the English. There is always Esperanto.

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    Has anyone noticed something in all this.

    The left have for so long thought of themselves as the side who (a) accuses the right of every ism known to man, and (b) thinks of themselves as above the rest of us because they are the progressive thinkers who care not to offend anybody, and accept everybody as equal, and treat them as such.

    Note that in this instance where they have comprehensively lost, all that has been chucked out the window, and they have reverted to the type that they have been all along, just hiding it away.

    Now they have lost, note their blatant and expressed out loud vehemence towards those older people, and it even appeared here in Comments at the earlier Posts of Joanne’s where one commenter couldn’t help but express his true feelings.

    The left, just as grubby as what they accuse us of being.

    So much for the moral high ground.

    Tony.

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      Ross

      Not quite right Tony.

      The Leave succeeded because of the Labour support in the Midlands and the North of England in particular, but that support came from outside the major city centres up there.
      eg. The centre of Liverpool basically voted remain but the further you move from the centre the higher the Leave vote became.

      This was not really a left/right divide. I’d say it was a self interest/ national interest divide if there is going to be any characterisation of the difference.

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      Reed Coray

      Tony, “The left have for so long thought of themselves as the side who (a) accuses the right of every ism known to man, and (b) thinks of themselves as above the rest of us because they are the progressive thinkers who care not to offend anybody, and accept everybody as equal, and treat them as such.”

      It’s a rare occurrence but I have to disagree. The left doesn’t mind, in fact even revels in, offending conservatives. Think of all the late night talk show hosts who with the smugness of God make fun of conservatives and their beliefs. I’m not against poking fun of or even ridiculing a particularly untenable position; but the smugness (i.e., the I’m superior attitude) of the joke teller is hard for me to take.

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    MudCrab

    The Brits are the bigots who outlawed slavery,

    The Brits were not only the bigots who past laws against slavery, they then used their navy to physically bully other cultures into stopping it!

    The Royal Navy were actively involved in anti slavery operations even at the start of the 20th Century, not that anyone sees fit to thank them for it these days.

    As a counter argument, there was a period in British history referred to as ‘Splendid Isolation’ which could be argued as racist isolationism by people who are into that sort of thing. It could also be argued that during this period British was so insanely powerful and successful that they simply didn’t need to get involved with petty European bullshit.

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    Turtle of WA

    Beautifully put, Jo.

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    observa

    Nice of him to credit the abolition of suttee but he forgot to mention the Brits ending the cult of thuggee and giving the multicultural English language another term for leftists.

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    observa

    Thuggee for those brought up on a diet of post-normal science, self loathing history and idolatry of leftist’s versions of ‘the noble savage’.

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    Casey

    I prefer this:

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    Rocky

    http://www.vencoreweather.com/blog/2016/6/23/1015-am-the-sun-goes-blank-again-during-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-more-than-a-century

    While everyone raves on about a minor detail this will freeze the Thames and other not good stuff .. ..

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    tom0mason

    As the Europeans now want the UK to negotiate it’s exit ASAP so that they can pull up the drawbridge to prevent UK citizens, products, and services entering easily, surely you have to ask exactly who is the xenophobe.

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    BREXIT THe spouting od 100,000 words in every direction, but not much else!

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    Gordon

    WHY? WHY am I thinking of Monty Python right now? Why does Python make so much sense to me? The Cheese Shop, The Argument Clinic, The Ministry Of Silly Walks. Perhaps Python was intelligent compared to the Bunch in Brussels?
    Somehow I think this is for the better of everybody.

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    Dodgy Geezer

    The sun never set? With that latitude spread, it looks as if it was always within an hour or two of noon….

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      M Conroy

      That’s a joke, right? No toast? No hot water for tea, coffee, cocoa? And this is saving the world how??

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    The EU has about 435,000,000 without the UK. The Anglophone Countries (UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) have over 450,000,000. Since several small Western Hemisphere countries also are English speaking and Singapore and Taiwan and perhaps the Philippines are partly fluent in English a free-trade association based om language would be more viable. Throw in India and the linguistic coalition would be truly huge.
    Much will happen. Some good, some bad. Much has happened too. The EU is arrogant and undemocratic. The UN also. Maybe the answer is for the UK to make bilateral (or multilateral) trade deals. American and Australian wine is better and cheaper than European wine. If the warmists are just a little right England will produce wine too. If the UK fracks it will achieve energy independence.
    If the voters of England and Wales are about to reject leftism outright the UK will see stunning economic growth. High growth and reduced welfare spending become a self-fulfilling prophesy.
    I wish them success, peace and happiness from America’s fly-over country.

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    pat

    just posted online:

    27 Jun: Channel4 blog: Gary Gibbon: There will be no second referendum, cabinet agrees
    The Cabinet agreed this morning there would be no second referendum. David Cameron will spell that out in his Commons statement this afternoon.
    They don’t want false hopes or complications beyond the ones already visited on the country…
    Boris Johnson just emerged from Downing Street to state again his support for a points based immigration system combined somehow with access to the single market.
    One Tory MP said it was more of Boris Johnson’s cake policy, “pro having it and pro eating it” and he would have to “sort himself out.”
    http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/referendum-cabinet-agrees/33044

    earlier:

    27 Jun: UK Telegraph: Tory Cabinet minister calls for second referendum on terms of EU exit
    By Peter Dominiczak and Matthew Holehouse
    Britain should have a second referendum on the terms of leaving the European Union if it can secure a new deal to control its borders, a Conservative Cabinet minister says.
    Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary, becomes the first minister to suggest that Britain could hold another vote on Brexit despite the Leave victory last week.
    He says the new Prime Minister must be allowed to “negotiate a deal” with Brussels and “put it to the British people” by either calling a general election or having another referendum…
    Mr Hunt’s comments came as Poland became the first EU nation to say that Britain should have a second referendum – in stark contrast to other EU nations’s calls for Britain to leave immediately.
    The comments from Polish leaders come after the Czech Republic called for Jean Claude Juncker, the European Commission president, to step down over his failure keep Britain in the EU.
    On Monday Polish and Austrian politicians added their voices to those calls…
    Mr Cameron also said there is a “very strong case” for remaining in the single market, something which EU leaders say is impossible without accepting unlimited numbers of migrants from the continent…
    However, their comments risk angering Eurosceptics who believe that ending freedom of movement rules is a “red line” and may accuse them of ignoring the vote to Leave the EU…
    “So our plan must be to encourage them to reform those rules, thereby opening up a space for a ‘Norway plus’ option for us – full access to the single market with a sensible compromise on free movement rules,” Mr Hunt adds…
    Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the leader of Poland’s ruling party, said his country wants Britain to hold a second In-Out referendum on EU membership…
    European diplomats on Monday said that Britain has no chance of getting access to the EU’s single market unless it accepts free movement…
    A Norway-style deal that grants UK access to the single market could only come with unlimited EU migration as a condition…
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/tory-cabinet-minister-calls-for-second-referendum-on-terms-of-eu/

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    pat

    also earlier:

    27 Jun: UK Independent: Charlie Cooper: Brexit: David Cameron rules out second EU referendum despite popular petition
    Dismissing the petition, Prime Minister’s spokesperson says another vote is ‘not remotely on the cards’
    Vote Leave chief executive Matthew Elliott welcomed Mr Cameron’s decision to delay the “divorce” for several months, despite pressure from Brussels for a rapid departure.
    “I don’t think we need to rush this process,” he told US TV channel CNBC.
    “During the campaign there was talk about triggering Article 50 and its process of leaving the EU right away, literally on Friday morning, and I think quite rightly the PM has paused on that which allows the dust to settle, allows people to go away on holiday, have some informal discussions about it, and then think about it come September/October time.”
    He said Vote Leave had “done lots of detailed planning” for Brexit and suggested Michael Gove was “probably the man to lead the negotiations” – ***but dismissed the idea of any formal role for Ukip leader Nigel Farage…
    Asked about the possibility of a second vote, the Prime Minister’s spokesperson said: “That’s not remotely on the cards. There was a decisive result [in the EU referendum]. The focus of the Cabinet discussion was how we get on and deliver that.”…
    The Prime Minister has also condemned the rise in anti-migrant and racist incidents reported since the Brexit vote…
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-what-is-eu-referendum-petition-david-cameron-a7105596.html

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    pat

    ***Indie veteran jouro (Times, Independent) still touting the fake petition, just as ABC Tony Delroy’s did on Issue of the Day – - BREXIT FALLOUT – last nite . ABC listeners proved once again that ABC’s audience can only debate according to the ABC narrative, which is all they know. they live in a bubble.

    27 Jun: UK Independent: Andrew Grice: We need a second referendum, but not the kind you think
    We do need a second referendum – either on any concessions offered by EU leaders this year or, if they stick to their initial hard line, on the precise exit terms we negotiate in two years of talks
    Those of us, myself included, who voted Remain, must accept the result. Although about 480 MPs supported Remain and only 160 voted Leave, it would be foolish for the Commons to try to overturn the people’s verdict, as some MPs urge. Yes, some people already have Leaver’s remorse, and ***3.7m people have signed a petition calling for another referendum…
    The only legitimate way to overturn last week’s decision is for a party to win a mandate for doing so at a general election. The Liberal Democrats have already made such a pledge but it would take Labour – under new management, as Jeremy Corbyn would not do it – to match that for it to have a realistic chance…
    A second vote would allow those who believe they made a mistake last week to change their mind when they see the final package (whichever way they voted first time around). They could take account of the latest economic impact of last week’s vote.
    True, another referendum would provoke howls of outrage from some people who voted Leave. But it wouldn’t undermine democracy; it would deepen it…
    A second referendum might sound like a mad idea for Brexiters. Why risk turning a victory they did not expect into defeat?…
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/we-need-a-second-referendum-but-not-the-kind-you-think-a7106061.html

    BBC’s World Have Your Say has begun what presenter Chloe Tilley says will be a week of going around Britain finding out how the public feels about the fallout of BREXIT (more like off brainwashing/campaigning in case there’s a second referendum).

    Twitter: Chloe Tilley
    All week #WHYS will go to different regions around Britain to hear from voters about #Brexit. Today it’s Sunderland and Newcastle (NE Eng)

    starts in the mighty Sunderland, where people voted 61 to 39 percent for BREXIT. has German female politician or reporter (whatever) in the studio to mock anyone (mostly millennials, students) who makes a point she doesn’t approve.

    opens with Remainer Andy, who doesn’t say he voted Remain til the program’s nearly over when he’s challenged by UKIP supporter after Andy says Farage is a total joke.
    Andy admits all the industry has gone, but new industries are booming. the university is producing graduates and has a program for apprenticeships. that’s the boom.

    another Sunderlander says she didn’t vote either tho, as she got 2,000 quid funding from EU for a “Social Frontiers” radio course, & got money from them previously for a hairdressing course, maybe she should have voted Remain.
    BBC says so you got money from the EU & u didn’t vote Remain. German guest in studio mocks.

    racism, racism…never seen before BREXIT.

    UKIP fellow, the only participant named by Party, is quite sober on the few occasions he gets to speak. when he points out fishing rights will return, creating jobs etc., total silence in the BBC studio, before returning to one of the more BBC-amenable guest.

    classic bit is 16-year-old boy very late in the program, who campaigned for Leave, and doesn’t believe under 18s should be allowed to vote, & thinks even some 18-year-olds maybe shouldn’t be voting because he things the university students he encountered are brainwashed. they said they were voting Remain because they get their funding from the EU, but Britain sends money to the EU and the EU gives it back to people like the students, but they don’t understand even that, he says.

    AUDIO 50mins:27 Jun: BBC World Have Your Say: Brexit: The Fallout
    We look at the Brexit vote through the eyes of the North East of England.
    Image:The flag of the European Union flies at the Chancellery in Berlin, Germany
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03yvy0x

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    pat

    post-BREXIT, Labour must get rid of their leader who they consider was not fully on the Remain side! lol.

    27 Jun: UK Telegraph: Ben Riley-Smith: Labour MP Chris Bryant accuses Jeremy Corbyn of secretly voting Leave in EU referendum
    A senior Labour MP who resigned from the front bench yesterday said that he thought Jeremy Corbyn secretly voted to leave the European Union in the referendum.
    Chris Bryant, who stepped down as shadow Commons leader, claimed that Mr Corbyn refused to say how he had voted when the pair discussed his resignation.
    The claim was contested from Mr Corbyn’s aides who pointed to a message the Labour leader had sent on social media on polling day saying he had just voted for Remain…
    Mr Corbyn voted against joining the Common Market in the 1975 referendum and was a frequent critic of the EU before taking over the leadership…
    Mr Bryant told the BBC: ” I suspect that Jeremy may have voted to leave.
    “Not only is that a betrayal of Labour’s historic position on the European Union – a fundamental economic and foreign policy objective of ours – but also it means that if he were to lead is into a general election, the latest poll shows we would lose 150 seats, we would be a rump of 75 Members of Parliament…
    Mr Bryant said the decision of voters to withdraw from the EU – including a majority in his own constituency of Rhondda – had to be respected…
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/labour-mp-chris-bryant-accuses-jeremy-corbyn-of-secretly-voting/

    given very little MAJOR MSM coverage; more in the regional press:

    24 Jun: ChronicleLive: Tom Eden: Nigel Farage says Northern voters won EU referendum for Leave
    UKIP Leader said in the wake of the Brexit vote that former Labour voters in the North were key in the referendum.
    ***Nigel Farage has said that former Labour voters, especially those in the North, had won the referendum for the Leave campaign, as he called for the Prime Minister to resign.
    He said: “The election (sic) was won in my view in the Midlands and the North and it was the old Labour vote that came to us and we, particularly as a party, campaigned as hard as we could in those areas,” he told reporters on College Green in Westminster.
    “There is still a massive disconnect between Westminster, SW1 and real communities.”…
    Before polling day, the referendum vote had been considered too tight to call across the North East, just as it was across the wider country.
    But in the end, it wasn’t even close.
    Other than Newcastle, which saw a tight Remain victory, the counts across the region saw a landslide in favour of quitting the EU.
    The turnout in the North East was 69.5% of those registered to vote.
    Speaking before David Cameron announced he was to step down, Farage said the UK needed to be led by “a Brexit Prime Minister”…
    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/nigel-farage-says-northern-voters-11519437

    link on above page, with full break-down of figures:

    24 Jun: ChronicleLive: Matt McKenzie: How the North East voted in the EU referendum compared to the rest of the country
    In all, 1.34 million of us turned out to vote across the region – with 778,103 siding with leave and 562,595 with remain, meaning a resounding victory.
    Every North East authority beside Newcastle – which only marginally voted remain – bolted for the exit door…

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    Asp

    Great Britain (or UK) was multi-culturalist before the word was invented.
    Strangely, the word ‘xenophobic’ is now uttered by some Brits, disappointed at the outcome of the referendum, and somehow forgetful of their own history.
    This word will now be used by the GLP (green left progressive) rabble when expressing their disapproval of someone who does not share their enlightened views. Eg: “Not only are you a rascist, you are xenophobic as well!”. Now, that’s telling ya!

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    pat

    27 Jun: UK Express: EU head Martin Schulz DEMANDS Britain file for Brexit ‘divorce’ TOMORROW at EU summit
    MARTIN Schulz has demanded Britain formally file for ‘divorce’ tomorrow at the EU summit in a bid to protect the EU from complete destruction.
    By Patrick Christys
    “A delay that only serves the tactical interests of the British conservatives is damaging to everyone,” Schulz told Bild am Sonntag, the German tabloid’s Sunday edition…
    Schulz is not the only foreign politician wading into British politics, with French foreign minister Jean-Marc Ayrault calling for Cameron to be replaced within days in a bid to railroad Britain into potentially punitive exit negotiations.
    He said: “Hesitating simply to accommodate the party tactics of the British Conservatives hurts everyone.
    “That is why we expect the British government to now deliver. The summit on Tuesday is the right time.”…
    At a meeting of the leaders of the EU’s founding states in Germany yesterday, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier ordered Britain to act quickly and trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty – the formal legal process by which the UK will extract itself from Brussels…
    The Luxemburger (EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, on Friday) said: “It is not an amicable divorce, but it was not an intimate love affair anyway.
    “I do not understand why the British Government needs until October to decide whether to send the divorce letter to Brussels. I’d like it immediately.”
    French President Francois Hollande added: “It will be painful for Britain but like in all divorces, it will be painful for those who stay behind too.”…
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683621/David-Cameron-Martin-Schulz-Brussels-EU-politics-leave

    proof the ongoing attempt at a Corbyn coup has nothing to do with his alleged tepid support for Remain:

    13 Jun: UK Telegraph: Ben Riley-Smith: Labour rebels hope to topple Jeremy Corbyn in 24-hour blitz after EU referendum
    Labour rebels believe they can topple Jeremy Corbyn after the EU referendum in a 24-hour blitz by jumping on a media storm of his own making…
    By fanning the flames with front bench resignations and public criticism they think the signatures needed to trigger a leadership race can be gathered within a day…
    While losing the EU referendum is seen as fatal by many to Mr Corbyn’s leadership, continued speculation remains about a challenge if the referendum brings an In vote.
    Rather than naming a date to make their move – as some had done with May’s local elections – some rebels now believe taking advantage of an opportune row holds the beast chance of success.
    “It is not going to be a date in the calendar, it will be on the back of a media firestorm. It could happen within 24 hours,” said one Labour MP…
    Asked how the coup could take place, another said: “Things go wrong, people have had enough, you start to see resignations and it spirals from there.”…
    Despite the private attacks, most Labour MPs are unsure about how –or if – Mr Corbyn can be toppled given his continued support among party members…
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/labour-rebels-hope-to-topple-jeremy-corbyn-in-24-hour-blitz-afte/

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    what a surprise!!!

    27 Jun: Herald Scotland: Sir Richard Branson calls for ‘second look’ at EU referendum
    He believes the Leave vote has “opened a Pandora’s Box of negative consequences” for Britain, fed on “false promises” by Brexiteers…
    In his blog, the Virgin Group founder said: “The decision over the UK’s future was based on false promises that pushed a minority of the UK’s total voting population (17 million out of 46 million) to vote the way it did…
    “Based on the misrepresentation made by the Leave campaign, Parliament needs to take the petition of more than three million people to call for a new referendum seriously. The alternative is to watch a rapid decline of Britain’s health and wellbeing.”
    He asked people to sign a petition calling for another referendum. The petition has already gained more than 3.5 million signatures.
    http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/14581650.Sir_Richard_Branson_calls_for__second_look__at_EU_referendum/

    27 Jun: Branson’s blog: Calling for Parliament to take a second look at the EU referendum
    Elections and referenda don’t come with a two-week, open-box return policy. Maybe they should. Because as the results of the European Union referendum (which was technically an advisory non-binding referendum for MPs to consider) emerged early on Friday morning, Leave voters across the UK realised that they had opened a Pandora’s Box of negative consequences. And worst of all, they quickly learned that they’d been repeatedly misled to by the Leave campaign…
    Meanwhile, the vast majority of young people, who voted overwhelmingly to remain, feel their own future has been taken out of their hands by an aging UK population that will not have to suffer the consequences of a lifetime out of Europe…
    The decision over the UK’s future was based on false promises that pushed a minority of the UK’s total voting population (17 million out of 46 million) to vote the way it did…
    When Nigel Farage was interviewed a few months ago he said that he would call for a second referendum if Remain won by a narrow margin…
    Mr. Farage and the Leave campaign should now accept that the reverse scenario also warrants a second look…
    If you agree that Parliament should take a second look at the EU referendum, please sign this petition (LINK)…
    Update:
    It has been very interesting reading the extensive and varied feedback on the opinions I shared in this blog…
    The business world hates uncertainty and without strong leadership, I worry that the UK’s economy will suffer long-term damage that is on the verge of going beyond repair. Bold, brave action is needed urgently.
    FROM COMMENTS:
    John Fallen: Branson another anti democrat who doesn’t even live here or pay his full taxes…clown.
    Mike Wainwright: So Sir Richard, did you write this from your home in the Caribbean or your corporate HQ in Switzerland?
    The British people were asked a simple question and have answered it…
    Barry Parsons: Where do you stop though?
    I voted Remain, but I accept the democratic decision.
    If you take a second look at the referendum because 3 million plus people sign a petition and the result of this is a decision to stay in the EU after all – what then when a different 3 million plus people sign another petition to take a third look to reinstate Brexit…?
    Ceri Morgan: Hai guys – let’s do redo the referendum because a petition of 3 million signatures, many fake, want to re-do it. This overrides the 17 million who voted leave for surez!…
    https://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/calling-parliament-take-second-look-eu-referendum

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    27 Jun: Breitbart: CNN’s Zakaria: Journalists Are ‘Better Educated’, ‘More Comfortable With Diversity’ Than Ordinary People
    From Mediaite:
    CNN’s Fareed Zakaria spoke with Brian Stelter on Reliable Sources today about whether the media being too “elite” was a problem in how it missed the Brexit outcome so badly.
    Zakaria acknowledged that journalists tend to be “better-educated,’ “comfortable with diversity,” more liberal, and “probably less sensitive to the concerns” of average Britons who supported the Brexit.
    However, he said, the pro-Brexit campaign was “entirely using emotion, conjuring horror stories” about immigrants and the like, CNN’s Fareed Zakaria spoke with Brian Stelter on Reliable Sources today about whether the media being too “elite” was a problem in how it missed the Brexit outcome so badly.
    Zakaria acknowledged that journalists tend to be “better-educated,’ “comfortable with diversity,” more liberal, and “probably less sensitive to the concerns” of average Britons who supported the Brexit.
    However, he said, the pro-Brexit campaign was “entirely using emotion, conjuring horror stories” about immigrants and the like…
    Click here to read more…
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/27/cnns-zakaria-media-bias-favor-facts/

    Youtube: 5mins57secs: Putin crushes CNN smartass Fareed Zakaria on Donald Trump and US elections
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBTBBNOtbhM

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    27 Jun: UK Spectator blog: Julie Burchill: The Brexit divide wasn’t between young and old, but Ponces and Non-Ponces
    Ever since Friday’s Glorious Victory, one of the chief recreation activities of we Brexiters of a childish bent has been the Taunting Of The Remnants, mostly online. ‘How are you comforting yourself?’ one Facebook post asked. ‘In the usual way – with the tears of the vanquished,’ I replied. ONLY ONE LIKE!
    For self-proclaimed ‘progressives’, what a bunch of doom-mongering, curtain-twitching, tut-tutting stick-in-the-muds they’ve proved to be! For this Remnant Zombie Army, out to do in our brains with their bed-wetting ways and bleats for more referenda until they get the result they want, everything that goes wrong over the next few months – the weather, the football – will be Brexit’s fault. And yes, it will be irksome at a time when this country needs to put its best foot forward and proceed with the merry dance of freedom. But I’m not worried that they’ll do us much harm in the long run – because, basically, they’re such a bunch of ponces…READ ALL FOR MORE LAUGHS
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/brexit-divide-wasnt-young-old-ponces-non-ponces/

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    too true…

    27 Jun: Breitbart: LISTEN – Breitbart Editor Kassam Demands ‘Article 50 NOW’, Says Boris ‘Not Man Enough’ To Stare Down Brussels
    Breitbart London Editor in Chief Raheem Kassam has urged Brexit campaigners to push for the UK to leave the European Union quickly, warning a delay could allow soft Eurosceptics and ‘Remainers’ to keep the country within the block – partly or completely.
    Kassam said he had received “over a thousand messages from Leave campaigners, saying ‘we need to invoke Article 50 this week. This ball needs to get rolling”…
    He said such people could see that “the establishment is going to try and keep us in some sort of associate [EU] membership, that comes along with still contributing billions of pounds a year to the project; still having freedom of movement, and not addressing the immigration point; and still having [EU] laws on our statute books…”
    The EU is working towards a form of “global governance”, he said, insisting that “it is not conspiratorial to say that there is a centralised group of people who want to plan how the world’s economy works.”…
    He explained how the world’s financial, business and political elite have pushed for the UK to remain in the EU, and might now do all they can to stop it leaving after the Brexit vote.
    “And I’m afraid that people like Boris Johnson are not man enough to stare them down,” he said…ETC
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/27/kassam-article-50-now-boris-not-man-enough-to-get-britain-out/

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    el gordo

    ‘Oil industry consultant Dana Nuccitelli, writing for the Guardian, has launched yet another green attack on democracy, by suggesting that older people who voted for Brexit, or who vote against green policies, are committing “intergenerational theft”.

    Eric Worrall (WUWT)

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    Geoffrey Williams

    How long would it take to flog 17.4 million people?
    GeoffW

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