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Climate lies for the Planet are OK (says self-proclaimed elite brain)

Oh the burden! Global Warming Saviours know they are smarter than everyone else

So much of what drives the cult of climate fear is the rewarding affirmation that they are intellectually gifted. “Pat me on the back! Tell me how smart I am!”  It fills the low-self-esteem vacuum of a B-grade brain or an untrained naive mind. It’s a sugar-hit to the undisciplined being, looking for the easy road to social acceptance and glory.

The New Nostradamus of the North has caught a Huff Po comedian Xavier Toby suggesting that “maybe we need to lie” for the climate. There is no sign of satire.

In order for us to start acting on climate change then, maybe we need to tell a few lies.

Advertising does lie to us all the time. The only difference with this issue is that instead of trying to convince us to buy stuff we don’t need and is often very harmful to us, by jazzing up the campaign against climate change, we’d be saving the planet and ourselves.

So let’s rename climate change: ‘lower energy bills’, ‘higher superannuation’, and ‘healthier children for generations to come’.

So instead of ‘climate change’ what about we call it ‘extreme disasters happening right now’, ‘massive worldwide death machine’ or ‘crazy killer weather’?

In human society, telling lies is a high risk activity. A known liar loses the benefit of trust — possibly permanently –  and that’s a crippling price in a gregarious social species where so much depends on promises of future payoffs for debts owed. For an serious citizen to suggest it reveals rather a lot of baggage. After all, it’s an admission that speaking the truth is not enough, and that implies that the unbelievers are too dumb to recognize a real threat.  For a lie to be ethically “good”, the liar has to believe they are one of the elite chosen smartie pants that Have Seen The Light, and the mere dumb plebs can’t see it.  Then it becomes a lie for the stupid punters own sake. (“Give me a medal.”)

Secondly, the liar tells themselves it is not a lie.

Who doesn’t want those things? Best of all – they’re not even lies! Switching to a clean energy future, after a short transition period, would result in all those things. [Like 'lower energy bills' and 'healthier children'.]

By this contortion they justify taking the low road. The liar, lies to themselves. A lower energy bill would sell itself, so the dumb punters must be “really dumb”. And so the spiral goes.

In the modern West, schools and some families apparently don’t teach the old unfashionable, outdated stuff like the importance of moral character: that character is destiny, or that a lie is a lie. Instead a free education may mean kids learn they should get stuff for free.

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    OriginalSteve

    “Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly”

    ( Proverbs 26:11 )

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    OriginalSteve

    “The righteous hate what is false, but the wicked make themselves a stench and bring shame on themselves.”

    ( Proverbs 13:5 )

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      M Conroy

      A less biblical quote
      “They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty.”

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    ROM

    Climate science alarmism’s final descent is under way into a state of total self delusion and the Black Hole of an ethical and moral depravity from which nothing ever emerges that still has any semblence of a modicum of sanity and believability.

    God help the pour benighted souls who in their ignorance and naivety follow this cult and its leaders to its end down that Black Hole

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    We have all heard about it was never going to rain much in the future and not in the dam catchments, and that de-salination plants were needed to keep the cities in water. Did the folk who espoused these concepts provided false witness, or were their hypotheses incorrect?

    I would suggest if they had made genuine mistakes they should be prepared to recant them: if not then they are liars.

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    They don’t have to ….. start telling lies.

    They’ve been telling them all along.

    What’s going to happen when the public finally do learn the truth about all this, finally learn the real truth about renewables, finally start asking real questions, and then expecting real answers, instead of the usual diversionary tactics.

    There’s going to be an awful lot of people with eyes so wide open, eyeballs darting from side to side, stunned like a bunny caught in the spotlight, with nowhere to go.

    Start telling porkies!!!!

    What!

    Tony.

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      Dennis

      Their UN Agenda 21 indicates a timetable which was recently increased to 2030.

      I believe that they expected and planned to fool the public long enough until they had secured the bases that are their goals.

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      John in Oz

      If the ‘bunnies’ haven’t noticed the lack of warming for 20 years (or so), the high cost of power (especially in SA) and the reduction in storms, hurricanes, etc then there is little chance they are going to start asking questions.

      BTW, do you have any comment on the Port Augusta solar power love-in being touted at the moment? Your insights are always worth reading/studying.

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        John in Oz,

        rather than say it all again. I’ll just direct you across to Warwick Hughes’ site where I commented there about this. (at this link)

        I hope that’s okay.

        Read what Warwick has to say about this proposal for Port Augusta, and then scroll down for the Comments, where I have a couple of Comments, explaining some of the points about this plant proposal.

        They talk about telling porkies, well this proposed solar plant is one porkie after another.

        As with all of this, and all the related things Joanne mentions in her main text, the loudest voices get away with saying whatever they want to, and the voices trying to explain the facts just get sneered at.

        Tony.

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          I like the comment, “politicians aren’t good with science and numbers and get taken in by these con-artists”.

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            Sam Pyeatte

            If they are telling a lie, then it is not for the planet anymore – it is to push a flat-out evil political agenda.

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    pat

    to be fair, the article is on the HuffPost Comedy page – see top of the page.

    not so funny:

    15 Jun: Daily Caller: Michael Bastasch: EXCLUSIVE: Massachusetts AG Demands Docs From More Conservative Skeptic Groups
    Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey is now the latest state prosecutor to start investigating conservative groups with supposed ties to ExxonMobil, after she issued a subpoena for 40 years of internal company documents and communications with a handful of think tanks…
    Healey demands decades worth or records from prominent conservative think tanks, including the Heritage Foundation and activist group Americans for Prosperity, and also from smaller, lesser known state-based right-leaning groups, such as Boston’s Beacon Hill Institute and the Acton Institute…
    At least two of the groups the subpoena demands records from have not received any money from Exxon…READ ON
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/15/exclusive-massachusetts-ag-demands-docs-from-more-conservative-skeptic-groups/

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      Graeme No.3

      You can tell how serious the investigation is when they announce the guilty result before serving the subpoena. How do you spell harassment?

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    It’s truly unfortunate how tenaciously many cling to their beliefs without an ounce of compromise or other views allowable. I’m going through a similar debate with a group of native bird lovers and there seems to be no compromise in their beliefs as to what is right and wrong when it comes to encouraging and supporting native bird life.

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    Dennis

    I was reading this morning an account of a serious drought in Queensland mid-1800s when the price of Sheep was zero and they were killed and boiled down to extract fat for producing soap.

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      toorightmate

      Dennis,
      Now that you have brought that article to the attention of the higher beings, it will be homogenised accordingly to show that it was a very short drought and the sheep thrived.
      Not like now where the droughts are the worst evvaaaahhhhh and the sheep can even die before they are born.

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        Pete Fummy

        Boy, they had you dead before you was born – and that’s a shame, you were such a great mover.

        Ian Hunter – I Wish I Was Your Mother

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    Dennis

    Lower energy bills would benefit families and related cost of living directly, but also would benefit business operating costs and related cost of goods and services, and therefore lower Australian cost of living and make exporting more competitive.

    As we now have since the renewable energy targets are ramped up and up is a decline across the board.

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      Mal

      transferring public assets such as power, water toll roads to private sector gets the costs off the governments balance sheets but the consumer pays the same taxes plus extra for power, water and road usage costs. Typical pea and thimble trick that governments have been playing for last 20 -30 years.

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    It’s a sugar-hit to the undisciplined being, looking for the easy road to social acceptance …

    That is the real driver. It is a variation of the herd mentality that says, “there is safety in numbers, and it is the outliers in the herd, who get picked off by the predators”.

    People who are not comfortable with their own thoughts, within their own mind, seek to identify with groups, and to be accepted by those groups, by adopting the prevailing mantra, and even embellishing it somewhat.

    People who are forced into doing this, tend to be weak and impressionable, and therefore open to any form of suggestion that appears to increase their self-esteem.

    In their imagination, they are watching themselves acting the staring role in a drama of their own devising. They are the sort of people who should never be given weapons or explosives.

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      OriginalSteve

      The problem with weak and impressionable peopel si theyc an be used to do all sorts of rather unsavoury stuff….usually at the behest of nastier stronger willed nhilists…

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        Owen Morgan

        The other problem is that they can vote, but usually don’t pay income tax. What was it the “Boston Tea Party” men said: “No representation without taxation!”?

        I’m sure it was something like that.

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    el gordo

    ‘Why isn’t climate change a bigger issue in the upcoming elections in the USA and Australia? It’s barely an issue at all, and in the recent UK election, it was also rarely mentioned.’

    Yeah, its because everyone has already been brainwashed, Talcum and his short arsed mate are typical of the genre.

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    jorgekafkazar

    Don’t ever forget: Hitler saw himself as a savior.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Well, he was a saviour at first. He brought Germany Industry back to a position it had enjoyed before the First war, and instituted a whole range of environmental programs that the Greens can only dream of today.

      But that was before he became mentally ill, and the meglomania took hold.

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        Graeme No.3

        You mean he decided he could control the weather but putting up lots of big electric fans on top of long towers? A definite sign of mental illness.

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        Manfred

        Well, he was a saviour at first. … But that was before he became mentally ill, and the meglomania took hold.

        “With the assistance of party staff, Hitler drafted a party program consisting of twenty-five points. This platform was presented at a public meeting on February 24, 1920, with over 2,000 eager participants. After hecklers were forcibly removed by Hitler supporters armed with rubber truncheons and whips, Hitler electrified the audience with his masterful demagoguery. Jews were the principal target of his diatribe.” A Peoples History of the Holocaust and Genocide.

        RW, it’s not immediately apparent where ‘saviour’ fits in between the end of WW1 and 1920, though the ‘megalomania’ and ‘mental illness’ appear to have got off to a spectacular good start by 1920.

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          Manfred

          …well before the motorway building programme and return to industrial growth and work, which really didn’t gain traction until well after the German devaluation crisis , about the same time my grandfather emigrated to Brazil from The Fatherland.

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      TdeF

      No. That cannot be left unanswered. His job after the first world war was in marketing, image. Then his product was himself and he marketed himself as a saviour. This was a marketing fantasy.

      He was an incompetent and useless megalomaniac who hid his past and wiped out his friends and rivals and with so many things wrong with him that it could not pass censorship on this site, he never saw himself as a savior. In the end with the Russians above his bunker and forty million people dead he wished all the Germans dead. They had failed him.

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        Yonniestone

        The Holocaust is an example where lies told on a grand scale led to atrocities that were justified by those that told them, all for their belief of saving something, and the victims didn’t know.

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        PeterPetrum

        Interesting comment. I visited the Eagle’s Nest, Hitler’s mountain top retreat, yesterday. Very little of him left there, apart from some photos. It is now just a big money making tourist attraction and he has been reduced to the unseen bait. Great views from 2000m though!

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          Yonniestone

          The Kehlsteinhaus, sounds fascinating Peter, did you take the elevator or the trail to reach it?

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            PeterPetrum

            Yonni, as I am about to have a hip replacement (so annoying!) the climb up was out of the question! The huge, brass lined lift (elevator) was an eye opener though. Amazing that all that was created in the ten years between 1934 and 1944.

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    TdeF

    This type of article signals that the true believers have a real problem with Climate Change and accept that Global Warming is dead. Consider that this has been going on for 30 years and there are people doing degree courses on something which is not true and there has been no detectable warming in their lifetimes. There are Climate Change organizations like the IPCC, based on a premise which has proven false, that man and especially governments can and do control the weather.

    As article after article shows, no one really knows what is happening or more importantly, why? However there are true believers who want the government do do more, so Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews was celebrating a new giant windmill yesterday and the stonehenge activity continues unabated. What difference does it make? None, but that is what people seem to accept from Governments. Useless massively expensive gestures to please fringe voters. The story of man made killer weather is so yesterday and warmists like Flannery are retiring to the beachfront where nothing has changed in his lifetime. Despite all the publicity, the Rapture came and went and Armageddon tired of the global warming death cult.

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      el gordo

      ‘…and there are people doing degree courses on something which is not true…’

      Yep, in the not too distant future they will experience a huge shock and there will be much laughter, until another shock shakes the facade to its foundations.

      I’ll leave you with Fyodor Dostoyevsky.

      ‘Above all, don’t lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.’

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        Margaret Smith

        el gordo
        June 16, 2016 at 5:00 pm
        ‘…and there are people doing degree courses on something which is not true…

        There seems to be no limit to stupidity. Not long ago there were (and maybe still are) degree courses in crop circles! Farmers were laughing all the way to the bank.

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        tom0mason

        El Gordo,
        Let me add another quote –

        “Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.”
        ― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

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      Manfred

      As I see it, the climate charade is part of a bigger problem that is not based on the failure of UN control of the weather by energy taxation. It is predicated on the UN definition of climate change that speaks solely of direct and/or indirect anthropogenic influence upon global atmospheric composition, which begins with one living person.
      Post modern Progressive politicized ‘science’ demands the use of the precautionary principle at a bar set to the lowest level – speculative risk. On top of this, the dehumanizing influence of political correctness has created a social milieu that enables much of the charade. It is this element that is presently showing terminal signs of failure – people across the political spectrum have finally awoken from a social narcosis to their own sense of powerlessness. They’re getting very angry and they are hitting out at the political elite. These paroxysms of reality will kill the Green Totalitarian Dream and their plans of eco-globalisation that rely on endless rules, compliance and a kollectiv goose-step to nowhere. The UN will once again be compelled to return to their core business of herding cats, and shelve their eco-maniacal plans of administrative totalitarian government by 2030 where they belong, in a historical repertoire of nightmares.

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    Earl

    I think the lies began some time ago, the BOM, in 2007, ” droughts will increase and become more severe”. Then the CSIRO, 2008, ” this( extreme dry) is the climate we can expect into the near future.”
    Then lest we not forget Flymm Tannery’s ,” and the rain that does fall will not fill our dams”, delivered with the alacrity of a demented chicken, to a gullible public.
    From the look of the weather this week, the east coast of Ausralia is about to cop it rain wise, again..
    I wonder if Timmy has looked at the forcast and tied his boat securley to the warf at his waterfront retreat.

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      Earl

      Of course that should be ” the east coast of Australia”
      I have been taking elocution lessons from tv chefs.

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      Dennis

      I have been checking the BoM for days since the forecast of more heavy rainfall and I cannot see more than weekend rain, mainly Saturday and nowhere close to the east coast low dump recently. So is the news about climate change propaganda again?

      In Longreach Queensland and surrounding areas there was good rainfall a few days ago and roads were closed for a while, now open again. But there has been very little good rain here for several years.

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        toorightmate

        Nope.
        The stuff that fell in Longreach was mirage water.
        Didn’t you know that Western Queensland is still in severe drought? Don’t you pay attention to the ABC?
        It is only just a few years ago that Longreach was a tropical rain forest.

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    Analitik

    GreenPeace have rationalised their falsification of facts for decades now so lying “to save the world” is nothing new to the greenwash.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/20/greenpeace-yeah-we-lied-but-we-needed-the-emotionalism/

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    Egor TheOne

    Start telling lies ?

    They haven’t stopped !

    They should try a new strategy as in telling the truth !

    But it is here that we have the paradox…How can they advocate for CAGW/CACC when in reality it does not exist?

    They worship false gods….a reality they cannot come to terms with.

    Their inevitable endgame therefore will be thus >

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straitjacket#mediaviewer/File:Straitjacket-rear.jpg

    And thus > https://myyearwithbob.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/woman-straitjacket.jpg

    A happy place for all the Climate Visionaries to gather and compare their Medieval True B’lverisms !

    CAGW = BS …..It always has, and it always will.

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      OriginalSteve

      Couldn’t resist…..the new ( green ) occult religion reborn :

      “You shall not give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech,
      nor shall you profane the name of your God;
      I am the LORD.”

      ( Leviticus 18:21 )

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

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        Peter C

        Thanks Steve,

        I am unsure how to interpret this scripture. Some thing to do with false gods. Could you enlarge on that?

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          OriginalSteve

          That’s pretty much it, that and the fact the Eco loons would happy “sacrifice” our children to further their lunacy….

          It’s also pretty clear the powers that be do seem to have an aggressive push to sacrificing not just our way of life , but happy to sacrifice our children’s future for a Jim Jones kook aid inspired black hole future…..

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    Dennis

    Off topic, great news, Switzerland has informed the EU that they will not be taking up their option to become a member.

    I hope this announcement adds to the exit vote in the UK, and afterwards for other member nations to withdraw from the handcuffs.

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    Leonard Lane

    Jo, these are great lines. At first glance funny, on second reading the information started to sink in, thanks.
    ““Pat me on the back! Tell me how smart I am!” It fills the low-self-esteem vacuum of a B-grade brain or an untrained naive mind. It’s a sugar-hit to the undisciplined being, looking for the easy road to social acceptance and glory.”
    I only have one small suggestion, would you consider changing that to “C-grade brain”

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      Another Ian

      LL

      Put somewhat otherwise by Baxter Black (US cowboy poet ++)

      “First grade management hires first rate help

      Second rate management hires third rate help”

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    “Huff Po comedian Xavier Toby suggesting that “maybe we need to lie” for the climate”

    And considering that is what has been happening for decades, how do we even tell the difference?

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      The ‘noble lie,’ that ends justify the means goes way back.
      Plato’s myth of the metals in men, gold, silver, bronze,involving
      a permanent class of philosopher kings. Plato admits it’s a lie
      but that’s okay because it’s a ‘noble’ lie,to arrest all painful
      change via a hierarchical society, each in his place forever.
      Ref. Karl Popper ‘Open Society and Its Enemies.’ Vol 1, Ch 8.)

      Another lie, Plato even used Socrates in ‘The Republic’ as his
      sock puppet to make Plato’s authoritarian message more palatable.
      -Pants on fire!

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        OriginalSteve

        Its no different to the social brainwashing people use on their kids
        whent hey say its a “little white lie” – as if to make something they know is blatantly WRONG – look OK…..

        Look at what is happening recenlty in society with the BS promulgated as “progressiveness” with “equality” and alt. lifestyles etc – same deal….

        People can progress all right – forward into moral righteousness, or forward off a cliff….no wonder the powers that be have worked so hard to separate our innate knowledge of right and wrong from the moral bedrock , via the agenda of the day using relativism.

        When all things are relative and no moral absolute exists ( which is why the churches are being attacked all the time by Leftists societal corrosive cause-du-jour ) , a well meaning populace can be coerced into the most heinous of crimes against humanity…..

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    Analitik

    Yet another island grid (not grid on an island) to get renewable generation in South Australia

    Coober Pedy will have its current 8 x 500 kW diesel farm supplemented by 2 x 2 MW of wind turbines, 1 MW of solar PV supported by a 1 MW / 500 kWh battery, 3 MW dynamic resistor and 2 x 850 kW diesel UPS to reduce fuel use by 70%. Hydro Tasmania will be involved with the developments from KIREIP (the dynamic resistor, diesel UPS and control systems). Interestingly, the 20 year PPA states the maximum power delivered will be 3.4 MW – less than the capacity of the current diesel farm (maybe the current PPA has the same limit to allow for reactive loads).

    Cost is $36.5 million of which ARENA (that’s us if you pay taxes) will fund $18.4 million

    http://hotcopper.com.au/documentdownload?id=uOMxKKzFkiWRTLKhOROKAxjvQkMD4Am5pmWIpZlJ2%2Fk%3D
    http://www.energydevelopments.com.au/_dbase_upl/CPPresentation_20160525.pdf
    http://arena.gov.au/project/coober-pedy-renewable-diesel-hybrid/

    RenewEconomy have extrapolated that

    if it can be done at Coober Pedy it can be done for Adelaide. If it can be done for Adelaide it can be done for Sydney

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/coober-pedy-will-soon-be-70-renewable-25-years-in-front-of-rest-of-australia-90823

    Umm, yeah… I could do the sums to show this is utter bull$hit but I really can’t be farked for this level of nonsense

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      Population Coober Pedy – 3500

      Population Sydney 4,300,000

      Soooo, let’s actually pretend something like this could have a ghost of a chance of working, that’s $36.5 Million multiplied by 1230 or $45 Billion.

      A snap really!

      I notice the very distinct resemblance when I look at the Coober Pedy skyline. You can barely pick the difference between that and Sydney.

      I love these people who actually think something like this is feasible.

      Tony.

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        toorightmate

        Tony,
        You are being unfair.
        Just think of all the wind turbines you can fit into Hyde Park and Hyde Park has winds constantly blowing at 60 kmph – absolutely perfect.

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        John F. Hultquist

        Not fair. Some homes are underground in Coober Pedy.

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        bobl

        OK, I’ll do the math.
        3.5MW / 3500 = Just 2500 Watts per average household of 2.5 people. Cities run more like 8KW (peak consumption) per household. The population of Sydney is probably a little over 5 Million (4.3 Million was from 2012). Industry uses 74% of electricity production, – there is little or no industry at cooper pedy so one could conjecture that the actual requirement is 100/26 x 5,000,000 x 8/2.5 / 3500 = 17,582 times the power requirement of Cooper Pedy. So the projected cost assuming free land is 36,500,000 x 17,582 = 641 Billion. Now remember those renewabubbles need to be replaced every 10 years and the batteries even more frequently so the amortised cost is around. 64.1 Billion per annum for EVER just for Sydney. Now the gas and automotive energy consumption is around the same again, so to actually convert Sydney to all Teslas is another 64 Billion per annum or around 130B per annum not including distribution or the cost of the Tesla cars for everyone. Now to add the rest of Oz multiply that by 10 and you quickly determine the annual cost is more than Australia’s GDP. That’s not even including MAINTENANCE or LAND or distribution. Last time I looked land in Sydney is FAR FROM FREE.

        BTW. Instead of that 36.5 Million I can go to Alibaba and pick up 2 x 2 MVA diesel generators for just short of $600k leaving myself around 35.9 Million for around 49 Million liters of fuel (About 30 years worth) and that’s if you don’t convert them to run on (cheaper) Natural gas.

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      gnome

      Be afraid, paying energy users of Coober Pedy. Be very afraid – Hydro Tasmania needs to get the revenue from somewhere, and if the subsidies aren’t enough, guess where they will be hunting.

      (Hint- it’s not amongst the aboriginal population.)

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      They are talking about 70% renewable based on the King Is. system.

      A question, is Coober Pedy as windy as K.Is. ?

      From my observation it is more like 30% renewable and 70% diesel on King Is. Both the turbines and diesel are capable of delivering 2,200 KW which seems to the max. demand, but the diesels are only off a couple of days a week, and quite often they are used to charge the battery. As regards solar, it seems a complete waste of time and doesn’t do very much at all.

      The King Is. wind turbines averaged around 23-24% capacity for March and April and went up to 55% in May, but in the first four days of June they were pretty quiet.

      [This comment was caught by the spam filter. Sorry] ED

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      James Murphy

      Coober Pedy had, or has a wind turbine or 2 already, but according to an ex-resident of said town, they were rarely used because a local councillor owned the company that sold diesel to the generator operators…

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      I think King Is. is much windier than Coober Pedy, and for the past few months the diesels have been doing most of the work there. I think the ratio is more like 70% diesel 30% wind. But that is point of the blog, is it gilding the lily, or an untruth?

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    Analitik

    :mad: Victoria to join South Australia in economic suicide :mad:

    Victorian Premier (tool) Daniel Andrews says

    The world is shifting to renewable energy – it creates jobs, drives growth, and protects our environment – and Victorians want to be at the forefront of that.

    BAAAAAA

    http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/renewable-energy-targets-to-create-thousands-of-jobs/

    speechless, I am….

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      Yonniestone

      As a Victorian I really dislike that stooge, but not nearly as much as the muppetts that voted him in!.

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        Another Ian

        Yonniestone

        Sounds an extreme case of that saying up here

        “You can tell a Victorian but you can’t tell ‘em very much”

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          Yonniestone

          I wouldn’t be too quick to generalise Ian, for a state that has relied heavily on financial support from the rest us Mexican states they certainly throw large stones in a very big glasshouse.

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      theRealUniverse

      “….Victorians want to be at the forefront of that.” that meaning being true ‘Victorians..’ living IN the Victorian..like 1880′s –pre modern engery, fuels like GAS and OIL! Lets ALL go back in time and live like great great grandaddy.

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        Analitik

        Steam engines, gas lamps, lack of political correctness, a bit of colonialism and the fervent belief in technological advancement and solutions. I could almost go for that

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        tom0mason

        I’d render a whole whale and a few penguins for that to return!

        :-?

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      toorightmate

      And here endeth the word of John Setka.

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      OriginalSteve

      I always knew Victoria was a “sacrifical” state tot he globalist vacuous group think.

      Victoria tries all the nonsense first ( not including at this point the infamous Burnt Cable Award goven to the Tassie govt for the Bass Link thing ) and then its rolled out across Oz.

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    Graeme No.3

    Based on the King Island prototype.
    So 4MW of diesel will be replaced by 6MW of ‘renewables’ and 1.7MW of diesel. I foresee blackouts.

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      Analitik

      No, the 4 MW diesel farm stays – the $36.5 million of renewables is for fuel/CO2 reduction but CANNOT REPLACE the existing diesels.

      Just as all the expense at King Island and El Hierro for their complex renewable systems did not replace the existing diesel farms at those locations.

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        ianl8888

        Yep …

        And King Island is genuinely windy. I once watched a small supply ship make it out of its’ unloading dock ahead of sudden wind-driven waves by about 10 seconds.

        That was about 10 years ago. Same issue with the windmills then, too – the diesels did all the work.

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    pat

    i heard what i thought was a newspaper article about the following on 4BC radio this morning. it sounded like a potential disaster if they get it wrong. couldn’t find anything online though.

    SMH posted this an hour ago:

    16 Jun: SMH: Peter Hannam: ‘The hairiest question’: Sydney’s dams may spill if rains lift water levels
    Sydney’s major dams may spill by early next week if the catchment areas receive even moderate rainfall from the coming weekend’s forecast storm.
    With the Bureau of Meteorology predicting the chance of a second east coast low forming off NSW in as many weeks, key agencies are preparing for the possibility that areas downstream of the dams – such as the Hawkesbury-Nepean region to Sydney’s north-west – could face flooding.
    Katarina Kovacevic, a bureau forecaster, said there remains “quite a lot of uncertainty” about when and where the low will form, making it difficult to estimate likely rainfall totals along the coast and over Sydney’s catchment areas…
    How much rain will fall over Sydney’s catchment area is “the hairiest question”, Ms Kovacevic said.
    “If the low forms to the north of Sydney, the Warragamba catchment could see a lot of rainfall,” she said. If it forms to the south, the catchment “could see probably not very much” rain…
    Whether the spills affect communities depends in part on the water levels of downstream rivers. In the case of Warragamba, these include the Grose and Colo rivers and South Creek, all of which flow into the Hawkesbury River…
    Tristan Meyers, a meteorologist with Weatherzone, said it may be difficult to predict where the east coast low will form “even on the day”…READ ALL
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/the-hairiest-question-sydneys-dams-may-spill-if-rains-lift-water-levels-20160616-gpkazp.html

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      el gordo

      Right, so the desalination plant is a lemon.

      Flannery should take some responsibility for the dams that will never fill again. Its not so much that he deliberately told fibs, mostly half truths based on dodgy knowledge.

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        Leo G

        BoM says that Sydney’s dams will spill next week as soon as moderate rain falls in the catchments. Tim Flannery should be urged by his supporters to demonstrate his intellectual honesty by rowing out below the Warragamba spillway each day to command the waters: “Sydney water, I command you to come no farther! Waves, stop your rolling, and do not dare to rock my boat”

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      pat

      should have added that Hannam doesn’t seem to emphasise what i heard this morning, namely that officials (?) have decided not to release any water before the new system hits, & they apparently just hope the rain that comes doesn’t go into Warragamba.

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        el gordo

        Shades of Wivenhoe.

        As we are off topic: Gas Giants Exhibit Gravito-Thermal Greenhouse Effect.

        http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2016/06/new-paper-demonstrates-gravito-thermal.html

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          Bushkid

          Shades of Wivenhoe.

          My thoughts exactly el gordo, it popped straight into my mind as I read. I was about to ask the rhetorical question: “Do they never learn?”, but of course they don’t.

          I have friends who would most likely have died the night the water was finally let out of Wivenhoe dam as an emergency and last minute effort to prevent the wall from collapsing, had they not already been evacuated due to a pair of “smaller” floods early in the day that had caused them to abandon their home after having to climb onto their roof to survive. I dread to think that this mistake could be about to be repeated at Warragamba. (The earlier floods were most likely due to increased clearing of paddocks, building of houses and paving of roads that all created so much more run-off that areas that had never flooded before now were.)

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    ROM

    Quotes from C3 Headlines;
    Lying by the climate alarmists and climate science troughers has been going on for a very long time and some even have the utter gall to admit it without a skerrik of shame for their apparent and complete inability to ever even lay straight in bed they have become that “bent”!

    Quote by Paul Watson, a founder of Greenpeace: “It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
    .
    Quote by Jim Sibbison, environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency: “We routinely wrote scare stories…Our press reports were more or less true…We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment.”
    .
    Quote by emeritus professor Daniel Botkin: “The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
    .
    Quote by Al Gore, former U.S. vice president, and large CO2 producer:I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.”
    .
    Quote by Stephen Schneider, Stanford Univ., environmentalist: “That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have.”
    .
    Quote by Sir John Houghton, pompous lead editor of first three IPCC reports: “If we want a good environmental policy in the future we’ll have to have a disaster.”
    .
    Quote from Monika Kopacz, atmospheric scientist: “It is no secret that a lot of climate-change research is subject to opinion, that climate models sometimes disagree even on the signs of the future changes (e.g. drier vs. wetter future climate).
    The problem is, only sensational exaggeration makes the kind of story that will get politicians’ — and readers’ — attention. So, yes, climate scientists might exaggerate, but in today’s world, this is the only way to assure any political action and thus more federal financing to reduce the scientific uncertainty.”
    .
    Quote by Chris Folland of UK Meteorological Office: “The data don’t matter.
    We’re not basing our recommendations [for reductions in carbon dioxide emissions] upon the data.
    We’re basing them upon the climate models.”
    .
    Quote by David Frame, climate modeler, Oxford University: “Rather than seeing models as describing literal truth, we ought to see them as convenient fictions which try to provide something useful.”
    .
    Quote by Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister: “No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits…. climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
    .
    Quote by Timothy Wirth, U.S./UN functionary, former elected Democrat Senator: “We’ve got to ride the global-warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”
    .
    Quote by Richard Benedik, former U.S./UN bureaucrat: “A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect.”
    .
    Quote by David Shearman, an IPCC Assessor for 3rd and 4th climate change reports: “Government in the future will be based upon . . . a supreme office of the biosphere.
    The office will comprise specially trained philosopher/ecologists.
    These guardians will either rule themselves or advise an authoritarian government of policies based on their ecological training and philosophical sensitivities. These guardians will be specially trained for the task.”
    .
    Quote by Al Gore, former U.S. vice president, mega-millionaire, and large CO2 producer: “The fate of mankind, as well as religion, depends on the emergence of a new faith in the future.
    Armed with such a faith, we might find it possible to resanctify the earth.”
    .
    Quote by Mikhail Gorbachev, communist and former leader of U.S.S.R.: “I envisage the prinicles of the Earth Charter to be a new form of the ten commandments.
    They lay the foundation for a sustainable global earth community.”
    .
    Quote by Paul Ehrlich, professor, Stanford University: “Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
    .
    Quote by Club of Rome: “The Earth has cancer and the cancer is Man.”
    ————–.
    And many more but perhaps in a nutshell , all of the hubris and the sheer utter arrogance allied with a totallity of ignorance from the climate science and political elite;
    .
    Quote by David Suzuki, celebrity scientist, alarmist extraordinaire: “All life on Earth is our kin.
    And in an act of generosity, our relatives create the four sacred elements for us.”…“We have become a force of nature…Not long ago, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, drought, forest fires, even earthquakes and volcanic explosions were accepted as “natural disasters or “acts of God.”

    But now, we have joined God, powerful enough to influence these events.”

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    “When you catch a liar out, they invariably cover themselves by telling bolder and more outrageous lies. That’s the tangled web of deceit we’re looking at and by this point in time, and as always happens, people start ignoring whatever they’re saying.”

    https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/08/02/why-would-anyone-believe-a-single-word-coming-out-of-their-mouth/

    Pointman

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      Peter C

      I hope that you are right Pointman. Far from ignoring all the lies both our main political parties here in Australia are pursuing policies based on said lies.

      I suppose we will find out in a few weeks if people are ignoring it or not.

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    TedM

    “In order for us to start acting on climate change then, maybe we need to tell a few lies.”

    Sorry Xavier, the catastrophists beat you to this by a couple of decades

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    pat

    15 Jun: Reuters: Exxon asks U.S. court to throw out subpoena in climate change inquiry
    In its filing in a U.S. district court, Exxon said Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey overreached with her April subpoena and that it violated constitutional amendments on free speech, unreasonable search and seizure and equal protection.
    The Massachusetts attorney general’s office said it was reviewing the motion…
    “The great irony here is that we’ve acknowledged the risks of climate change for more than a decade, have supported a carbon tax as the better policy option and spent more than $7 billion on research and technologies to reduce emissions,” said Exxon spokesman Alan Jeffers. “It should make people question what this is really all about.”…
    On Monday, five Republican congressmen told U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch in a letter the states’ inquiries were wrongly treating a policy issue as a law enforcement matter…
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-exxon-mobil-climatechange-idUSKCN0Z128V

    16 Jun: TownHall: Vijay Jayaraj: India’s U-turn on Paris Climate Change Agreement and Why It Is Right
    http://townhall.com/columnists/vijayjayaraj/2016/06/16/indias-uturn-on-paris-climate-change-agreement-and-why-it-is-right-n2178949

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    Peter C

    I thought I might share my letter to Jenny Macklin MP, my local member.
    Jenny Macklin MP
    16 June 2016

    Dear Ms Macklin,
    Thank you for your note. It more than 2 years since I last wrote to you about climate change so I must have made some sort of impression for you to remember it.

    I am indeed interested to read about Labor’s plan for Climate Change Action. Unfortunately I can not endorse any of it. It probably would not matter if it were not for the tremendous costs of Labor’s proposed actions, both in money and jobs.

    Tax payer’s money is a precious resource and I am sure you would not want to see any of it wasted. There are so many things that need to be done.

    Renewable energy does not work. Electrical power is needed 24 hours a day, 365 days per year for industry and commerce and personal use. Solar and wind power are intermittent, low density and very expensive. If we were to supply al of Victoria’s energy needs from solar power we would need to cover the whole of the state with solar cells and wind turbines. Where would we then grow our food?

    South Australia and Tasmania have both gone well down the renewable energy path. Tasmania’s hydro power is better than South Australia’s wind power but both states are dependent on Victorian brown coal electricity (when Bass link is fixed). Both states are on the bottom for jobs and industry and they are making things worse for themselves.

    If we are to retain jobs in Australia it is essential that we make use of the natural advantages we have and that means coal fired electricity production now and for the foreseeable future. Already we have lost car manufacture and aluminium production, which we cannot afford. Geelong is now a city in crisis as far as jobs are concerned.

    The only sensible alternative to coal fired electricity is nuclear. We should be preparing for that but currently it costs more than coal.

    Point 4 of Labor’s plan is to cut pollution. I would have no problem with that except that it really means reducing our CO2 emissions. Latrobe valley coal fired electricity plants are not dirty. The gases coming from the chimneys are in fact so clean that they are almost invisible. Those gases are mostly water vapour and CO2. CO2 is not pollution. Both CO2 and water are essential for life on this planet. The benefits of increased CO2 are already becoming apparent with extra plant growth (greening) occurring worldwide, even in arid areas.

    If CO2 could cause global warming we would have seen it by now. It is 30 years since James Hansen (NASA Godard Institute of Space Science) warned of the catastrophic effects of increased CO2 in the atmosphere. That should be long enough to prove that the models of climate scientists do not work as predicted.

    Even a casual observer can see that nothing much has changed in all that time. There have been some extreme weather events but no more than the historical norms. The Arctic Ocean is not ice free in summer and millions and millions of people have not died from the effects of climate change. Even the Great Barrier Reef is in good shape overall, not withstanding some localised and temporary coral bleaching (of uncertain cause).

    Everything I have said here flies in the face of perceived wisdom from climate scientists and alarmists. Yes there is a consensus of opinion from the IPCC and most of the major scientific organisations in the world and including the Royal Society and the Australian Academy of Science and the CSIRO and the BOM and the ABC and most of our university employed scientists. None the less what I am saying is true and I am not alone in my opinion.

    I am disappointed that Labor has decided to pursue a climate agenda similar to the Greens. The Greens are the enemy of Labor and of humanity. The Greens want to destroy democracy. Every time I see policy from the Greens I am reminded of George Orwell and Animal Farm.

    Jenny, I realise that it is politically impossible for you to agree with me. So please do not reply. However you do have a role in determining future Labor policy. Last year you received (free) a copy of the book “Climate Change the Facts”, as did every other federal politician. Please read it, if you have not already done

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    cedarhill

    One just loves faus science. For example, have you noticed with all the green energy imposed on the USA, their projected lifespans have decreased?

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    Ruairi

    To skeptics it’s not a surprise,
    That climate alarmists tell lies,
    Making any false claim,
    Without scruples or shame,
    To dupes who won’t open their eyes.

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    tom0mason

    ‘Climate Science™’ as exercised by the majority of academic institutions, is to preserve and perpetuate a consensus view. Truth and reality has no place in it, so the idea of propagating lies and falsehood about the climate is a logical step in spreading fear of the human effects on climate.

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      Dave in the States

      However, the principles of integrity do not change: When one tells lies, they lose their credibility. The alarmists want to exaggerate and manipulate data, but still present themselves as credible scientific authorities on the subject. It doesn’t work that way. They no longer have scientific credibility. This applies to several government agencies and academic institutions around the world.

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        tom0mason

        Exactly!
        The publication and propagation of thousands of stories of incredible climate misadventures, with little sense of integrity or reality, has left so many once august academic institutions appearing to be little more than children’s fiction publishers.
        Recovery from such a position will be very long and difficult.

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        Roy Hogue

        This is off topic as far as climate science goes. But it’s right to the point of your comment,

        However, the principles of integrity do not change: When one tells lies, they lose their credibility.

        And this is why Donald Trump, for all his faults, has become so popular as to become the presumptive Republican nominee for president.

        You could add that it doesn’t take outright lies. All it takes is failure to do the job people have every right to expect of you and finally your credibility is shot down.

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    ren

    Cooling and a decrease in solar activity causes natural disasters. Currently in Poland will be very dynamic weather.
    https://earth.nullschool.net/#2016/06/17/1500Z/wind/isobaric/700hPa/overlay=temp/orthographic=-339.33,52.89,1820

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    Roy Hogue

    It’s been so obvious for so long that they have no compunction about lying. Scenes in Gore’s epic movie were stolen from a disaster movie. He promulgated other lies by failure to fully disclose the circumstances of the picture of a Polar Bear on a floating block of ice. CRU was caught trying to deceive someone to whom they sent data — they admitted it openly in the climategate emails. I could go on and on.

    The only thing new is that they are now openly discussing it. The public should take note but I don’t think many will. Certainly if I was contemplating lying about anything I would not discuss it openly for fear of discovery and the bad consequences that follow lying about most anything anywhere, except maybe politics and climate science.

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    Bob

    Delivering information with the intent to deceive is called, lying. There are many times grains of truth in these lies, and that is called propaganda. The best lies will many times have a grain of truth embeded, somewhere.

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    The EPA calculation of effect of a ghg on global climate contains a boneheaded mistake. Many if not all of their scary ghg assertions are BOGUS.

    The EPA erroneously asserts Global Warming Potential (GWP) is a measure of “effects on the Earth’s warming” with “Two key ways in which these [ghg] gases differ from each other are their ability to absorb energy (their “radiative efficiency”), and how long they stay in the atmosphere (also known as their “lifetime”).” https://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gwps.html

    The EPA calculation of the GWP of a ghg erroneously overlooks the fact that any effect the ghg might have on temperature is also integrated over the “lifetime” of the gas in the atmosphere so the duration in the atmosphere essentially cancels out. Therefore GWP, as calculated by the EPA, is not a measure of the relative influence on average global temperature of a ghg on a molecule basis.

    The influence on average global temperature of a ghg molecule depends on how many different wavelengths of terrestrial EMR the molecule can absorb. Water vapor molecules can absorb hundreds in the wavelength range of terrestrial radiation compared to only one for CO2 and most other non-condensing ghg.

    A consequence of this is CO2 has no significant effect on climate. Average global temperature trajectory since before 1900 can be explained with no significant influence from CO2 as demonstrated at http://globalclimatedrivers.blogspot.com

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      “The influence on average global temperature of a ghg molecule depends on how many different wavelengths of terrestrial EMR the molecule can absorb. Water vapor molecules can absorb hundreds in the wavelength range of terrestrial radiation compared to only one for CO2 and most other non-condensing ghg.”

      Have you any physical evidence that what you claim is correct? Where is it? Tropospheric atmospheric gases never absorb any surface radiative exitance; the atmospheric radiative intensity merely suppress the generation of such surface flux. They replace surface flux with a more efficative outward exitance of there own creation. Especially the tropospheric WV continually condensing to airborne water condensate at the end of the day! From space one can only view 23% of Earth’s surface in any LWIR band. the only effective band is from 8.4 microns to 13.5 microns!
      All the best! -will-

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    handjive

    It’s as good as a lie ….

    SCANDAL? French Government Disappears Skeptic’s Project From ‘100 Projects For The Climate’ Contest!

    via notrickszone:

    Recently Dr. Lüning entered his Medieval Warming Period Map project in a French-government sponsored contest, 100 Projects for the Climate, which has the aim of selecting and supporting the 100 best climate-related projects.

    I checked this over and there is nothing wrong with the link which allowed votes to be cast for Lüning’s project – except for the fact that the page now “doesn’t exist”.

    I’ve contacted Dr. Lüning about this and I’m hoping that he’ll post some news on this soon.

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    GoFigure

    But wait…. the planet is greening…. so Africa (not to mention Saudi Arabia) owe us 90 billion…(or whatever)

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    ScotstsmaninUtah

    Threats to the Human Race – more sunny days ?

    The problem can’t be with the issue’s importance. The evidence is all there, and it’s terrifying. Climate change is without a doubt the single biggest threat the human race has faced since the last ice age.

    Xavier Toby has got it wrong, not untypical of those in the Pro camp !
    I’d be more concerned about those allegedley extinct little rats ( mammals) which have probably escaped their island , and are carrying some plague ridden fleas and are headed for the bright lights of some city in China.

    History has taught us that the biggest threats have always come from the little life forms not clement weather :o

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    John Robertson

    Hans Christian Anderson.
    Portrays this state of mind most beautifully in the Emperors New Clothes.
    These are the “Wise, enlightened, fit for command” who can see the beautiful weave, the brilliant colours and they can feel the fabulous fabric.
    That they could be mistaken and are being taken for the fools they really are.. that is beyond their comprehension.

    Human nature has not changed one bit, even less than the climate…
    Except we have greater population with a similar increase in the numbers of fools and bandits.

    It is possible that the members of the Cult of Calamitous Climate are not aware they are lying.
    This has always made me nervous around large mobs of them.

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      Roy Hogue

      The Emperors New Clothes

      is an apt metaphor for what’s going on. But the Emperor has been in the buff for so long and so many children have pointed it out, that the public has become deaf to any more exposure of that fact. So much so it appears, that the Emperor’s nakedness has become the accepted norm.

      I have no idea what it will take to wake up the world to it’s problem and get them all to reject this nonsense.

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    pat

    for the record:

    17 Jun: Adelaide Advertiser: news.com.au: Debra Killalea: East coast low: Weather forecast for NSW, Queensland, predicts heavy rain, high tides, strong winds
    And the NSW State Emergency Service has advised people not only to stay indoors but has warned drivers against driving through floodwaters.
    It also warned of flash flooding with many dams and rivers already at capacity due to the east coast low smashing two weeks ago…The SES are also on high alert with several dams and waterways already at capacity which means even the smallest amount of rain poses a flood risk.
    “Warragamba Dam is at 98 per cent capacity, which is officially full so even 30mm of rain over 24 hours is enough to cause it to spill,” she (Becky Collings) said…
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/technology/east-coast-low-weather-forecast-for-nsw-queensland-predicts-heavy-rain-high-tides-strong-winds/news-story/e4957ccb6e6ac74309557396ac86b47a

    17 Jun: SMH: Sean Nicholls with Peter Hannam: Warragamba Dam wall to be raised to avoid catastrophic flood event
    Three days before Warragamba Dam could spill due to severe storms, the Baird government has committed to raising its wall to prevent a potential flood disaster in western Sydney, four years after being advised to review the options.
    As a looming east coast low raised the possibility that the dam could spill on Sunday, the government said it will commit $58 million towards raising the wall by 14 metres to avoid a catastrophe that could place 43,000 western Sydney residents at risk.
    Construction, at an estimated cost of about $690 million, is expected to be complete within three to four years ***after a business case is signed off in 2019, subject to planning approvals…
    In its 2012 report to the state government, Infrastructure NSW recommended completing a review of the options for a flood mitigation plan, including raising the dam wall, by 2017.
    While it did not specify an ideal dam wall increase, it referred to a 1995 report by NSW authorities which recommended raising it by 23 metres…
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/warragamba-dam-wall-to-be-raised-to-avoid-catastrophic-flood-event-20160616-gpkqly.html

    ***in other words, it should be completed by 2023 or 2024.

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    pat

    16 Jun: UK Daily Mail: Torrential rain set to hit the Australia’s east coast on the weekend could see Sydney’s Warragamba Dam SPILL over – threatening to flood up to 100,000 homes
    Warragamba Dam at 97.7 per cent capacity with moderate rainfall predicted
    Between 30 and 50mm of rainfall will cause the city’s dam to spill over
    Sydney is expected to get 5-10mm on Saturday and 20-40mm on Sunday
    The Bureau of Meteorology predicts only moderate rainfall could overfill the Warragamba Dam, which supplies water to more than 3.7 million people living in Sydney and the lower Blue Mountains.
    ‘Warragamba Dam is at 98 per cent at the moment… 30 to 50 millimetres will cause that dam to spill,’ NSW SES Deputy Commissioner Mark Morrow told 9News…
    This upcoming weather event has sparked the NSW Government to announce $690 million to raise the dam’s wall by 14 metres to offer people downstream ‘extra protection’, Premier Mike Baird told The Sydney Morning Herald.
    Up to 134,000 people would need to evacuated if major flooding was to happen…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3645715/Wild-weather-Sydney-s-Warragamba-Dam-spill-east-coast-low-hits-NSW-Queensland.html

    still can’t find any documentation about decision not to release any water prior to this potential weather event on the weekend.

    reminder:

    2007: ABC Landline: Interview with Professor Tim Flannery
    Reporter: Sally Sara
    SALLY SARA: Professor Tim Flannery has warned climate change will impact on Australia to the point where Sydney can expect to receive 60 per cent less rainfall than it does at present…
    PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We’re already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we’re getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that’s translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That’s because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems…
    http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm

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    pat

    lengthy (and vicious), but well worth a read:

    9 Jun: RenewEconomy: Giles Parkinson: (John) Hewson’s unexplained attack on molten salt storage for solar
    John Hewson has launched an extraordinary attack against the main solar thermal technologies that most experts expect to lead Australia to a zero-carbon energy system, saying that the technology is out-dated and nearly “unbankable”.
    The former opposition leader, who has become a prominent campaigner for climate action and renewable energy, made the comments in his new role as executive chairman of Solastor Australia, which he boasts has developed the world’s cheapest 24/7 solar technology, using graphite as its storage medium.
    But his comments about rivals, particularly a competing 110MW project using molten salt storage technology, have raised alarm bells in the industry, and caused fears that he could set the sector back rather than forwards.
    It also comes as new details emerge about the mixed record of his group’s own projects, and the status of the technology that was once described as an “expensive way to boil water.”…
    Hewson’s attacks didn’t stop at labelling the competition unbankable and inefficient. The company’s documents, as we revealed on Tuesday, also claimed that solar towers, and SolarReserve’s in particular, killed birds. He also said the technology was a threat to pilots, was a fire risk, and required gas generators to back up the plant and heat up the salt. All those claims are firmly rejected, and have dismayed supporters of the proposed solar tower projects in the Port Augusta area…
    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/hewsons-unexplained-attack-on-molten-salt-storage-for-solar-34905

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      Analitik

      Hewson’s pushing his own wheel barrow to the taxpayer funded renewables trough but at least his Solastor consortium are upfront about he the A$1.2 billion cost of their piddly 170 MW (summer, 110 MW winter) project.

      Those RenewEconomy “analysts” somehow forget that SolarReserve have not come out with pricing for their even more piddly 110 MW CSP with molten salt storage project – just lots of use of words like “expected” and “projected” (Crescent Dunes for its same pathetic 110 MW cost US$1 billion => ~A$1.35 billion).

      Fun to see infighting in the green verge ;)

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    “Oh the burden! Global Warming Saviours know they are smarter than everyone else”

    Global Warming Saviors seem to have one thumb stuck between own gluteal muscles, the other stuck in their mouth! Whenever AlGore, MikeyMann, or O’bummer say SWITCH, They must of course switch!

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    16 Jun: CNS News: Hans Bader: AG Schneiderman’s Lame Defense of Speech-Chilling Climate Change Investigation
    (Hans Bader practices law in Washington, D.C. After studying economics and history at the University of Virginia and law at Harvard, he practiced civil-rights, international-trade, and constitutional law.)

    When a government official quotes a dissenting opinion that was on the losing side of history to justify a speech-chilling investigation, that’s a pretty clear sign that the First Amendment has been violated. And when that same official doesn’t let you know that it is a dissent, rather than an actual ruling, that’s an even clearer sign that he’s on shaky ground. But that’s what New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman recently did.
    In a recent speech at Bloomberg’s Big Law Business Summit ***video and discussion by my colleague Sam Kazman here)(LINK), Schneiderman justified a 20-state investigation of Exxon and so-called “climate change deniers” by quoting Justice Rehnquist of the Supreme Court: specifically, a passage in which Rehnquist argued that “the liberties of political expression are not at all necessary to effectuate the purposes for which States permit commercial corporations to exist.”
    Listeners doubtless took away the misleading impression that the Supreme Court was on Schneiderman’s side, but the reality is quite the opposite: Schneiderman’s view was soundly rejected by the Supreme Court. Schneiderman didn’t mention this, but the language he quoted was from a dissent by Justice Rehnquist, not a majority ruling…

    The multistate investigation of Exxon similarly raises obvious First Amendment issues, as the editorial boards of newspapers across the political spectrum have noted, such as USA Today, Bloomberg News and The Washington Post. In his talk Schneiderman repeatedly used the phrase “First Amendment opportunism.” Judging from his legal reference, a better phrase would be “attorney general opportunism.”…READ ALL
    http://cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-bader/ag-schneidermans-lame-defense-speech-chilling-climate-change-investigation

    above links to:

    VIDEO: 14 Jun: CEI Blog: Sam Kazman: Schneiderman’s New Catchphrase for Free Speech: “First Amendment Opportunism”
    New in the climate change subpoena saga: Last Thursday New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman delivered a speech (video below) at the Bloomberg Big Law Business Summit defending his investigation against claims that it violates free speech rights. One charge that Schneiderman repeatedly made was that his critics were guilty of “First Amendment opportunism.”
    Schneiderman characterized the statements of the energy industry, and those of global warming skeptics generally, as fraud. When you hear a government official complain about fraud in a policy debate, he’s got his sights set on censorship, plain and simple. And in the context of global warming, his goal is not to win that debate through evidence, but by shutting one side down through “law enforcement.”…READ ON
    https://cei.org/blog/schneidermans-new-catchphrase-free-speech-first-amendment-opportunism

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      M Conroy

      Heh. “specifically, a passage in which Rehnquist argued that “the liberties of political expression are not at all necessary to effectuate the purposes for which States permit commercial corporations to exist.””

      Quick and simple summation by Wiki – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_National_Bank_of_Boston_v._Bellotti

      If big business realizes what can of worms this, er, Schneiderman’s trying to open with that particular reference he is not going to have much support for much longer.

      That reference goes back to the “Corporations are people too” idea, and all that entails, including campaign donations.

      Bad idea, bringing up that can of worms.

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    pat

    so we not only want “climate action”, we want it all – a carbon tax, an ETS and Direct Action! we even want to go it alone.
    and Gillard gets a prime photo opportunity:

    6 Jun: TheConversation: Survey: more Australians want climate action now than before the carbon tax
    by Deborah Cotton, Lecturer in Finance, University of Technology Sydney
    (Disclosure statement: Deborah Cotton received funding from Macquarie University Higher Degree Research Fund for the survey in 2011 and The University of Technology Sydney Business School for the 2016 survey)

    PHOTO CAPTION: The public appetite for climate policy is bigger now than when Julia Gillard’s government passed the carbon tax in 2011
    Despite climate policy being something of a sleeper issue in this election, our results suggest that concern about the climate is more widespread now than it was five years ago.
    We found that 75% of people surveyed believe it to be an important global issue, and 74% see climate as an important issue for Australia.
    As to what we should do about it, we found that 57% of people want Australia to act on climate change irrespective of whether other countries do or not. This is significantly more than in 2011, when 50% of people were in this category…

    Our survey, however, suggests that many voters’ preferred policy is a mixture, potentially including a carbon tax, an emissions trading scheme and other direct action policies. Some 40% of respondents preferred this policy mix, up from 31% in 2011…READ ON
    https://theconversation.com/survey-more-australians-want-climate-action-now-than-before-the-carbon-tax-61077

    plenty of links, but can’t find any to the survey itself, which might show who funded it, etc.

    never mind, those commenting believe every figure quoted.

    funny, but not so credible either…especially as the surveys allegedly showed public is cool with all the jet-setting:

    16 Jun: Science Daily: Climate scientists are more credible when they practice what they preach
    People are more willing to take advice from climate researchers who reduce their own carbon footprint
    Americans are more likely to follow advice about personal energy use from climate scientists who minimize their own carbon footprint, according to Shahzeen Attari of Indiana University’s School of Public and Environmental Affairs. She and her team used two large online surveys to determine that scientists should practice what they preach if they want their advice on reducing energy use to have greater credibility. Their findings are published in Springer’s journal Climatic Change…
    The surveys showed that audiences are less concerned with transportation habits than home energy use…READ ON
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160616120512.htm

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    pat

    17 Jun: Bolt Blog: Green attacks Liberal Minister
    The rise of extremism is the making life dangerous for politicians (LINK TO AUSTRALIAN):

    AFP security has come to the defence of Liberal frontbencher Josh Frydenberg by stopping a young climate protester from storming a stage at a town hall event with a white can he claimed was filled with bleach.

    The protester was attempting to draw attention to the condition of the Great Barrier Reef and pushed through a 500 plus crowd at the start of a meeting last night at the Box Hill Town Hall in Melbourne, declaring the can of bleach was intended for Mr Frydenberg.

    The protester made his way to the steps of the stage before being intercepted… The incident took place at a candidate’s forum organised by a Melbourne based climate change group, Lighter Footprints, with Mr Frydenberg debating Labor’s Mark Butler as well as the Greens’ Janet Rice.
    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/green_attacks_liberal_minister/

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    pat June 17, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    Pat I think you are getting it about correct!
    In the US each citizen has the individual constitutional right to call out in public any other… as nigger, white trash, queer, lesbo, spic, krout, jap, slope, polack, wetback! All extremely derogatory, but extremely expressive of unrest! (have I missed many?) This is called freedom of expression as guaranteed by the US Constitution to each, by the First amendment! This often limits such expression to only verbal expression, limiting riot! There is nothing in the US Constitution that demands any individual be nice, or considerate of any other individual! This brings us to the Second amendment, for which a well regulated militia (well trained) populous, providing own weapons and armament, must exist to overcome any armed attempt by this government to distruct or even attempt to limit the freedoms of the individuals!…. We have for long time Religions that truly try to get folk to get along with each other! Absolutely, no insane stupid government is ever needed!
    All the best! -will-

    [This was held in moderation because of some of the words used which automatically get picked up. Clearly in this context the words are used purely in an academic sense, so the comment is being allowed. But for other readers, note that use of any terms especially racists terms in a derogatory way would breach this blog's rules and would be snipped. - Mod]

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      “[This was held in moderation because of some of the words used which automatically get picked up. Clearly in this context the words are used purely in an academic sense, so the comment is being allowed. But for other readers, note that use of any terms especially racists terms in a derogatory way would breach this blog's rules and would be snipped. - Mod]”

      Dear mod, AZ, joanne,
      Please understand there is no academic anything! The words I use are all (in this US) used everyday by all to intentionally completely destroy some PC (politically correct) nonsense promulgated by both US political parties! We all remain very racist,(opinionated)! That is this USA. The folk in the US are madder then hell at the entire US government. You folk in Oz seem to have it so easy!

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        el gordo

        Australia is a successful multiracial society and all sides of politics want to keep it that way.

        We are fortunate to be an isolated continent in the Southern Ocean, soon to be completely swamped by new immigrants.

        Say what you like at home among confidants but in the public arena, best be judicious in your uttering.

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        Roy Hogue

        Will,

        Having had my comments end up in moderation I sympathize with your position. It’s unfortunately all too easy to use crude language to express my anger and frustration but in the end, I wonder if it doesn’t simply make me look foolish. So I resolved to change the way I say what I want to say. How effective this has been is something the rest of you will no doubt judge, one way or the other. It’s not easy to want to tell someone you think they’re a %$$%#*@ and try to find a better way to say it. It’s even harder to want to give offense to someone and try to say it without the offensive words. But since I tarted trying to do better I haven’t been in moderation once.

        Just sayin… …for whatever it’s worth.

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          Roy Hogue

          We all know how to use those colloquial, crude terms and words. But is it really necessary to effectively say what we want to say?

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            Roy Hogue June 18, 2016 at 3:00 am · Reply

            “We all know how to use those colloquial, crude terms and words. But is it really necessary to effectively say what we want to say?”

            Never Roy if the intent is to “effectively say what we want to say”.
            In the case of the US government, however, that government has steadfastly refused to hear or understand for now 50 years what the voters in this country are politely trying to get across! Notice most of the terms above were deliberately introduced by that same government, in time of war, to create public hatred of the enemy people, not the other government! Now the US government is getting a taste of the very hatred they themselves induced.
            Especially true is this government’s insistence that ‘all’ be extraordinarily polite to the hired ‘in your face’ rabble-rousers, so common in the lead up to an election! I hope we can have an election, without need for riot!
            All the best! -will-

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              Roy Hogue

              As I said, “…for whatever it’s worth.”

              Fighting with Jo’s moderators seems a waste of time to me. So I try not to end up in moderation.

              Will Janoschka may certainly do as he pleases. I’m not trying to be his mother.

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          Roy Hogue

          I actually committed such a faux pas that Jo jumped all over me publically.

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    Whats that old line?
    “If it weren’t for the lying, they would say nothing at all.”
    Naturally as many have observed over the years, Climate Change AKA CAGW is an institution fully populated by modern progressives.
    Whose only talent is misdirection and dishonesty..It is their Brand.

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    16 Jun: Washington Times: Valerie Richardson: GOP AGs warn Dems that if climate skeptics can be prosecuted for ‘fraud,’ so can alarmists
    The “cuts both ways” argument was among those raised by 13 Republican attorneys general in a letter urging their Democratic counterparts to stop using their law enforcement power against fossil fuel companies and others that challenge the climate change catastrophe narrative.
    Consider carefully the legal precedent and threat to free speech, said the state prosecutors in their letter this week, headed by Alabama Attorney General Luther Strange.
    “If it is possible to minimize the risks of climate change, then the same goes for exaggeration,” said the letter. “If minimization is fraud, exaggeration is fraud.”…
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/16/gop-ags-dems-climate-alarmists-can-be-prosecuted/

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    17 Jun: Investors Business Daily Editorial: Lies, Damned Lies, And The EPA’s ‘Clean Power Plan’
    Environment: President Obama’s “Clean Power Plan” is on pause, thanks to a Supreme Court ruling in March after more than two dozen states filed suit to stop it. A new report shows why the plan should be scrapped entirely, and the EPA sued for fraud…
    Turns out, the benefits of the Clean Power Plan will be closer to $0, while the costs would be far higher than the EPA claims.
    That’s the conclusion in an in-depth report by the Manhattan Institute’s Jonathan Lesser.
    Put simply, Lesser says the EPA’s benefit calculations are based on faulty assumptions and statistical legerdemain. He notes, for example, that since the Clean Power Plan will have an infinitesimal impact on global CO2 levels, it can’t have a $20 billion impact on health.
    The EPA also claims $34 billion in side benefits because the rules will reduce other pollutants. But Lesser notes that the EPA has been double counting this co-benefits, using them to justify other costly rules, and that there’s likely to be zero improvement in health, given how clean the air is already…
    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/lies-damned-lies-and-the-epas-clean-power-plan/

    16 Jun: Manhattan Institute: Jonathan A. Lesser: Hot Air: The Overblown Benefits and Hidden Costs of the EPA’s Clean Power Plan
    LINK AT BOTTOM OF PAGE: Read the entire piece here on RealClearPolicy
    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/hot-air-overblown-benefits-and-hidden-costs-epas-clean-power-plan-8992.html

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    18 Jun: Adelaide Advertiser: Miles Kemp: Huge electricity shock as EnergyAustralia bills to jump by $261 a year
    ANOTHER 80,000 South Australian households will be hit with a $261 average annual increase in electricity bills, after a third company announced increases…
    Meanwhile, AGL has refused to release figures showing how much more its customers who do not have solar panels would pay after its price increases.
    One welfare expert, who wished to remain nameless, said AGL was hiding a much larger bill shock, releasing only the average increase of $228 for all customers.
    He said AGL knew that this hid the extent of the bill increase for those who could not afford solar panels.
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/huge-electricity-shock-as-energyaustralia-bills-to-jump-by-261-a-year/news-story/d2dac889c5a25a3cf9138d15690dac37

    18 Jun: ABC: Energy Australia announces electricity price hike for South Australian customers
    A third electricity provider within a week has announced it is increasing its charges for South Australian customers.
    Energy Australia has followed in the footsteps of AGL and Origin Energy, announcing a $22 increase on the average monthly bill, or about an extra $260 a year, for customers in South Australia…
    The companies have cited issues around coal and gas supply in South Australia as reasons, including the closure of the Port Augusta power station…
    The rise in electricity bills comes as South Australia continues to have the worse unemployment rate in the nation with 6.9 per cent.
    It also comes as welfare agencies warn low-income earners are struggling to make ends meet and pay for the basics like electricity.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-18/energy-australia-announces-price-hike-for-sa/7522616

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    pat

    17 Jun: Bloomberg: Anna Hirtenstein: Siemens, Gamesa Merge Units to Form World’s Biggest Wind-Turbine Maker
    Together, the two would have about 69 gigawatts of turbines installed worldwide, putting them in a position to surpass Vestas Wind Systems A/S and General Electric Co…
    Siemens pointed to the 69 gigawatts of turbines that it and Gamesa have installed worldwide, a measure that gives a sense of the revenue they may get from servicing machines…
    Vestas disputed the reading, noting that it currently has 75 gigawatts of installed turbines…
    Europe’s turbine makers already have been consolidating. Last month, Nordex SE of Germany completed the purchase of the turbine-manufacturing assets of Acciona SA, another Spanish wind company. Vestas fired thousands of workers and closed factories to revive its profit after price pressures led to three years of losses that ended in 2014…
    The Spanish utility Iberdrola SA currently holds 20 percent of Gamesa and will have 8 percent of the combined company…
    For Siemens, the wind division is the smallest of its eight operational businesses, and also has the lowest profitability target…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-17/gamesa-gets-siemens-merger-approval-to-expand-wind-turbine-units

    wonder how solar panels would fare with this hail!

    PICS: 18 Jun: ABC: Alice Springs hail: Red Centre turns white as storm damages buildings, powerlines
    By Xavier La Canna and Tom Maddocks
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-17/wild-weather-red-centre-turns-white-as-hail-is-falls-on-alice/7521932

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    re Alice Springs hail: meant to type “wonder how WIND TURBINES and solar panels would fare with this hail”.

    messin’ with the Grid:

    17 Jun: BBC: National Grid ‘should be broken up’
    The UK’s energy system needs major reform, with the National Grid replaced by a US-style independent operator, a committee of MPs has said.
    The UK’s energy system needs major reform, with the National Grid replaced by a US-style independent operator, a committee of MPs has said.
    National Grid, which owns and operates the UK’s gas and electricity networks, faces “conflicts of interest”, said the Energy and Climate Change Committee.
    Despite its “technical expertise”, it should be broken up, the MPs said…

    The committee said that the change was necessary because more power was being generated by regional networks, making energy flows more complicated.
    The committee complained of “legislative and regulatory inertia” and said small-scale generators, such as solar power producers, faced problems in connecting to the grid.
    “The UK needs clean, renewable power, but it won’t be built if it’s too costly or difficult for generators to connect to the electricity grid,” said committee chairman Angus MacNeil…
    “Distribution networks have been overwhelmed at times by the challenge of integrating small-scale renewables.”…

    National Grid, a private company listed on the London Stock Exchange, rejected the committee’s findings.
    “There is little evidence that an Independent System Operator model would provide any benefits that would justify the cost to households, potential disruption to much of the energy sector, and the risks to security of supply such uncertainty could create,” a spokeswoman said.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36557065

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    ImranCan

    ” Climate change is without a doubt the single biggest threat the human race has faced since the last ice age.”

    Talk about irony.

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    richardX

    B-grade brain, Jo? You flatter them :-)

    People who have not been educated in Britain seem not to understand the very significant differences in “brain power” required for different universities in the UK. The distances in Britain are so small that there’s very little barrier for someone with a good mind to go to an elite university on the other side of the country.

    Selection based on “brain power” starts (perhaps it should be “used to start”?) at an early age. Selective schools started at age 11 when I was there.

    I’m trying to be fair, so I probably shouldn’t say any more. But I do remember that there were some (relatively) very, very thick people with slow minds who got university entrance at strange places and went on to get PhDs in strange subjects.

    I’ll say no more.

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    Speedy

    “And the truth will set us free.” [John].

    And exactly what do you expect lies to do,hmmm?

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    Mike Smith

    “A known liar loses the benefit of trust”

    Apparently not, if your name is Clinton.

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    RAH

    This while several state AGs in the US are going after the internal communications of Skeptic concerns in the belief that they lied or misled the people.
    Just a thought on that: The concerns the AGs are going after are private and privately funded while if skeptics go after the Alarmists most of their funding is public and thus tax payer money. Though I’m no lawyer it would seem to me that if these legal battles turn out to be an all out war then the skeptics would have the advantage because the legal process to get records from publically funded organizations and concerns is much less contorted than it will be to pry records from private concerns.

    IV amendment of the Bill of Rights:
    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”[2]

    The skeptics will not have the legal hurdle of “probable cause” to clear in order to get the records and internal communications from publically funded organizations and concerns.

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