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How to cripple an army. Fight the wrong war. Obama orders military to prioritize climate change

Looking back to Feb 7th, check that vision:

Obama orders military to prioritize climate change

Because guns should be carbon neutral right?

When we kill people we still care about the footprint.

[Washington Post]

The Pentagon is ordering the top brass to incorporate climate change into virtually everything they do, from testing weapons to training troops to war planning to joint exercises with allies.

A new directive’s theme: The U.S. Armed Forces must show “resilience” and beat back the threat based on “actionable science.”

Yes, previously the Armed Forces only had to be resilient across a 90 degree range. Now it could be 91.

The answer is a new layer of bureaucrats (it’s always a new layer of bureaucrats):

It says the military will not be able to maintain effectiveness unless the directive is followed. It orders the establishment of a new layer of bureaucracy — a wide array of “climate change boards, councils and working groups” to infuse climate change into “programs, plans and policies.

Perhaps bureaucrats make a better layer of insulation.

Though not all military types were enthused:

Dakota Wood, a retired Marine Corps officer and U.S. Central Command planner, said the Pentagon is introducing climate change, right down to military tactics level.

Is this taking “climate change” just a tad too far…

“The climate does change over great periods of time, typically measured in millennia, though sometimes in centuries,” he said. “But the document mentions accounting for such down to the level of changes in ‘tactics, techniques and procedures’ as if reviewing how a squad conducts a patrol should be accorded the same level of importance and attention as determining whether the naval base at Norfolk, Virginia, might have to be relocated as sea levels rise over the next 100 years.”

Should recon patrols: a/ use the shortest path, b/ buy local food   or c/ wait for public transport?

Send in the electric tanks I say.

PS: Commenters please remember we have *free speech* in Australia as  long as you only say things that everyone will like. if you think you might possibly offend anyone of a different race, or the same race, or no fixed race, give yourself the old [SNIP 18C] and save the mods the trouble.  Thanks for being understanding.

h/t David

 

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207 comments to How to cripple an army. Fight the wrong war. Obama orders military to prioritize climate change

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    Owen Morgan

    Jo, the link works, but it’s the Washington Times, not the WaPo.

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      OriginalSteve

      Anotehr one to add to the list :

      Climate Change gives eucalypts The Bends: ( add that to the list…)

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-30/climate-change-could-put-eucalypts-at-risk-of-death-air-bubbles/7266230

      I had no idea trees could scuba dive…..

      You *just* cant make this stuff up……

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        The Backslider

        Too funny.

        They talk of a possible rise in temperatures of 4-6C. What they do not understand is that global temperatures are an average of all temperatures, from poles to equator. It does not mean that maximum summer temperatures in Brisbane will rise by 4 to 6 degrees.

        This is probably the biggest misconception that the public, and also clearly many scientists, have about warming.

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          Bobl

          Not to mention its (max + min) /2.

          A temp range from 20 – 30 is fully 5 degrees warmer according to climate science than 0 – 40 is even though the max is 5 degrees cooler!

          The fact is if you look at Mediterranean vs equatorial climate, this is what actually happens, anywhere near water, which let’s face it, on a water world like earth is almost everywhere

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        climateskeptic

        The latest sea level projections now include the Antarctic ice melt and it looks grim

        Melting ice from Antarctica could raise oceans by one metre before 2100 at current rates of greenhouse gas emissions, doubling previous forecasts for sea level rise, according to a new study.
        Over a longer time scale, the study said the picture would be even grimmer: within 500 years, Earth’s once-frozen continent will have lifted water lines by more than 15 metres, reconfiguring the planet’s coastlines.

        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-31/antarctica's-melting-ice-could-lift-seas-one-metre-by-2100/7286782

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      turnedoutnice

      So, are we to have sustainable warfare, defined perhaps as equal casualties o both sides with zero carbon emissions?

      Easy: put the two CinCs into the same arena, with identical weapons, to be shot or hit at the same time to cause instant simultaneous death.

      Then gas all the troops on both sides, followed by the same for all civilians.

      But, to bow down to Public Pressure, perhaps the casualties could be virtual; an X-box game adapted to real life?

      Obama vs Putin would be interesting though!

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        gigdiary

        Obama wouldn’t have a chance. He’s lucky he’s at the tail end of his presidency. However, Trump vs Putin would be interesting although if it was decided on this principle, I’d bet on Putin.

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      Thumbnail

      Hello Jo, I have posted this notice on WUWT as well as here. A popular commentator by the name of Dave Rubin (The Rubin Report) has interviewed Michael Mann. Here is the link to part 1. I hope that someone from the climate science side will contact Dave Rubin and ask to present the other side of Mann’s argument. I watched only the first few minutes and Mann has linked “Climate Change” to Syrian refugees and unrest due to battle of ever increasing human population to more scarce resources. Rubin prides himself on fighting the Regressive Left, and that is why I subscribe to his Youtube Channel. He has a broad reach across the political spectrum. Who would be best to counter Mann?

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    Send in the electric tanks I say.

    Solar-powered, no doubt.

    After all, if London can run their buses on it …

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      Owen Morgan

      Thank you for that link. I live close to London (very close, in Australian terms) and I had heard that our moronic Secretary of State at the Department of (disappearing) Energy and (not particularly obvious) Climate Change had suddenly signed her department up to zero emissions of Carbon dioxide, regardless of what that actually implied.

      The weird thing about the photo on the linked site is that it shows buses from the fifties. You will see those around and about in London, but they are always tourist buses. There are seven buses in the picture, but the related article refers to just five buses, leading this revolution.

      There’s an old British joke, endlessly re-cycled: “You wait an age for an xyz, then along come six of them, all at once.” Well, London Transport needs only to cough up for one more bus and we can reach the punchline.

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      Actually, pedal powered (Fred Flintstone anyone?). Just like those water pumps that get delivered to third world countries where people are happy (in the climate worriers eyes) to get fit while they pump water.

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      Peter Miller

      You need to use only those tanks with a long electric cable, they are so much more carbon neutral than those with hi tech batteries.

      When our ‘political elite’ try to be serious about this sort of BS, you can be certain that yet another layer of expensive pointless bureaucrats are not far behind.

      Obama has gone out of his way to create himself a great legacy, instead he will be remembered as being weak and vacillating on foreign policy and clueless and gullible on supposed climate change. In other words, he has championed government by whim, as it always is, with those who have never had to live or operate in the real world.

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        There’s the enemy without and the enemy within.

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          OriginalSteve

          Beth, is this what you had in mind?

          “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

          ― Marcus Tullius Cicero

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            Now why do I feel that statement hits closer to home than I’d like to think?

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            Yes that’s exactly what I had in mind,
            Original Steve. That Cicero, he could
            hit the nail on the head. Say, he was
            the guy,in a famous trial who asked
            the question, ‘Cui bono?’

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUcDdUG22JU

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            dannz

            Here’s another on:

            As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents,
            more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great
            and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their
            heart’s desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a
            downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.

            - The Baltimore Evening Sun, 26 July 1920. ( believed to be from H L Menken)

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            Ted O'Brien.

            I don’t recall that passage. But I do recall that even as a 13 year old kid while translating Cicero I could see that in 2,000 years lawyers and politicians hadn’t changed. That still applies.

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        gigdiary

        You need to use only those tanks with a long electric cable

        How about wifi tanks? That may satisfy Malcolm’s penchant for innovation and agility.

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      OriginalSteve

      I wonder if the tanks are re-tasked Priuses…..

      Seriously thogh, it seems the neo-Marxist-in-Chief is dedicated to trashing the US military through CAGW nonsense.

      I head a story once whereby up on the Hill they decided ( in infinite wisdom ) to make mens urinals waterless “to fight climate change” …. of course urine being highly acidic and did bad bad things to the copper plumbing resulting in a new type of leak for the Hill …… needless to say, they saw the errors of their way, and went back to using water again.

      Perhaps they should get the inagural “Tasmanian Energy Resources Management Burnt Cable Award”….

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        Greg Cavanagh

        Exactly that also happened at the Council where I worked. The leak was in the walls and penetrated the concrete of the building. Was a horrid experience until they fixed it.

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        Another Ian

        Around a new government building some place.

        Everyone else, in government wisdom, had to termite control below on ground slabs.

        But that government in its “wisdom” decided that they didn’t have to.

        And the termites were in the building before the staff.

        And I haven’t heard that they’re beaten yet.

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    TinyCO2

    Climate change is a great thing to go to war against. It never shoots back. It won’t hold a grudge. And when you inevitably lose, it won’t be your fault because either nobody or everybody is responsible.

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      Graeme No.3

      But it requires careful planning. I would say right now that inter-service committees are coordinating the responses of the planning committees and sub-committees, all of whom are well aware of the date of Obama’s departure. Reports will be generated, plans will be prepared, possibly even a right sounding slogan. Actual change will be zero until he’s gone and sanity takes charge – unless Hilary wins.

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    jorgekafkazar

    Marxist-Lysenkoist insanity.

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    Joe Lalonde

    I am self moderating…Sooooo badly wanted to flip-out!
    Politically correct Joe…must be politically correct.

    Shows how the psychopaths are installed as our leaders…
    Is it a wonder that no matter who you vote in, they keep pushing world globalization?

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      gigdiary

      Well, we voted for Tony Abbott in Australia, but the globalists still managed to get rid of him. Lord Monckton was amazingly prescient in this regard. Referring to the Paris 2015 COP21/globalization forum he said this:

      You need to guard Tony Abbott’s back because the Turnbull faction in conjunction with the UN will be doing their absolute level best to get rid of your elected Prime Minister before the end of his term and in particular before Dec 2015 so they can get a hundred per cent Marxist agreement.

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    Electric Tanks

    Interestingly enough Jo, the Germans did use electric tanks ( kinda) in WII.
    Originally named the Ferdinand, they were later named the “Elefant”
    The tanks were powered by petrol engines driving a generator which then drove electric motors attached each drive shaft.
    91 were built , and although they carried the famous 88mm they weighed too much and were vulnerable to mines. In 1942 the Germans were obviously not interested in CO2 emissions or in enviromentalism.

    As for Obama, there is a sense of desperation going on in the last days ,as the legacy of his Presidency (8 years of goverment impotence) is quickly looming.
    I suppose AGW is his last ditch attempt at accomplishing something significant…. albeit a white elephant.

    American Forces being ordered to “go green” , what next ?

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      Fantail

      Can’t legislate climate change measures, so his administration is trying to put as many executive orders into place that they will be almost impossible to remove one by one in the next administration (if it’s Republican); or easy to add onto (if it’s Democrat).

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      Fantail

      The aim is to put Climate Change into government: climate change departments, entire personnel, decision-making…everything. It will take decades to get Climate Change out of the government decision-making process. Entire departments and high level positions will have to be dismantled and eliminated. It will be incredibly difficult to take Climate Change out of the US government.

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      MudCrab

      The Elefant came out of the VK4501 (P), otherwise known as the ‘Porsche’ Tiger. (Yes, that Porsche.)

      The German’s decided they wanted a heavy tank. Porsche was one of the companies bidding for the contract and was so confident they went off and built 91 hulls. As Scotsman said the transmission was petrol-electric and had the advantage that you didn’t need a gearbox, all power being transferred smoothly and easily to the final drive.

      On the down side was the entire ‘Mein Gott! This tank uses HOW much copper?! Don’t you know there is a war on?!’ factor and the Tiger tank contract went to Henschel.

      The Elefant was a pragmatic attempt to do something useful with all those 91 hulls and was heavier than the original design.

      The British also experimented with electric transmission on tanks during that war. Near the start a group of WW1 tank experts were cracked out of cryo sleep to form a committee for tank design. Know as The Old Gang, they decided what the world needed was a WW1 style tank, only bigger, stronger and more powerful. (Note lack of the word ‘faster’) They built one called the TOG. It was horrible but did have diesel-electric transmission which they kept burning out and never got to work properly. They then built a second one, called TOG 2, which was also horrible but at least drove without the smell of burning electrical insulation.

      The closest any of these armoured vehicles became to being ‘green’ would have been the paint colour.

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        Ferdinand Porsche’s first job was with Lohner.

        He designed and they built “off-rail trains” to transport supplies to the front line in the first episode of the world war. Drive was “hybrid” with electric motors on each carriage; powered by a generator on the “locomotive”.

        The Lohner-Porsche car was the fastest in the world for a little while, electric motors in the hubs with a petrol engine running a generator. Technology in gear-cutting and materials improved in subsequent decades allowing for efficient transmission of power through driveshafts, gearboxes and differentials while reducing unsprung mass.

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      Mike

      ScotsmaninUtah
      March 30, 2016 at 3:57 am asks……
      “American Forces being ordered to “go green” , what next ?

      “Archimedes Death Ray Solar Parabolic Mirror burns a fake Roman Ship”
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9qk1l0LjEs

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        Mike

        My own hassle with the use of the word ‘green’ when it needs better distinction. Green is green and Carbon Green is “Carbon Green”.
        Bob Brown goes to jail for trying to save a forest, that’s “green”.

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    Roy Hogue

    Actually Jo, you’re late to the party on this one. This has been known and circulated around the grapevine here for some time. We will soon be in the position where we cannot mount a useful defense against any attack if it continues.

    The word insanity is totally incapable of describing the folly of what our president is doing. It’s like a game to him. He’s been bluffing his way through his entire administration on everything that counts while continuing with his unspoken agenda that several of us here have posted about in the past, an agenda no president in our history has had until Obama came along trying to continue his long dead father’s crusade against the colonial powers that he fought against in Africa (not very effectively either).

    It’s frightening to watch.

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      Yonniestone

      I bet you guys in the US are dying to know WHO put him in the top job, it’s obvious that like any other campaign there was a lot of planning going into all possible contingencies that come with such endeavours, the difference with Obama is a lack of solid details of his early history as an American which is incredible when your’e talking about the leader of the free world.

      It’s like his backers were so confident that leftism had become so entrenched in the US psyche that they would accept their very own ‘cut of personality’

      “President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.” Clint Eastwood. 2012

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        Roy Hogue

        “President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.” Clint Eastwood. 2012

        Yoni,

        I keep remembering that the only job we know of that he ever did was community organizer. Now if you look at what a community organizer is you’ll realize the job is just one thing, stirring up discontent and dissent, pitting one group against another. In other words, a provocateur. He still has that job and still excels at it. I can only guess who might be behind him as far as putting a name to someone but whoever it is, they couldn’t have made a more excellent choice than Barack Obama.

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      F. Ross

      “It’s frightening to watch.”

      Even worse to live in the U.S. under his so-called leadership.

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        King Geo

        You have had a dud Prez for 8 years now and next in line is Hillary – oh dear. I can’t see the Republicans winning office in November – they have been trumped well ahead of the vote. So the Climate Change nonsense in the USA will be ongoing until at least 2020. The LIA won’t appear until the late 2020′s so you will have to put up with this charade for at least enough three 4 year terms – ouch!!!!

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      OriginalSteve

      I had a fairly robust discussion about Trump with a Trump supporter…..I have to agree with the view that Trump is more of a lightning rod for disaffected voters than an actual real alternative, but the alternatives is a marxist or a communist, is pretty appalling….America is in a bad way….

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        ROM

        Trump is most likely the political right’s end game reaction and the beginning of the backlash towards the world’s democratic political and academic elites decades long swing towards the political hard left.

        Sarah Palin four years ago was the first substantial political figure from the right that indicated the swing away from the left trending politics was just getting under way in the USA.

        If Trump gets up and becomes president then regardless of his record at the end of his presidency, there is every likelihood that a huge array of the hard left and incompetent, ineffective public service seat warmers and ideologically motivated activists [ to bring a sneer to my lips these days, just mention that "activists" are involved. ] in the political, bureaucratic and academic fields will have been swept away leaving a much clearer path to America’s future for the next Presidency to build upon.
        Provided of course that Americans can find and elect someone with the cojones and ability to take up where a potential Trump presidency is likely to leave off.

        And the political pointers are now starting to indicate that Europe also is beginning the swing towards the right of politics as Europeans are beginning to realise the horrific cost across just about every section of European society of the political hard socialist left’s arrogant, unfeeling inhuman policies that are impacting so directly and increasingly severely on their very own citizens who elected them.

        In just about every western society the left has now implemented and encouraged policies where if you are a white male of European descent you have become the lowest of low in the leftist denominated caste system that places feminism, same sex relationships, non white skinned males and non europeans in particular and many other perversions of societal culture as being of a much higher caste bracket, a left created culture that has been studiously worked on by the hard left for a generation and that has sprung up over the last decade in left dominated democracies governed by increasingly socialistic governments.

        As far as I personally are concerned you can believe and take part in any of these other activities.
        Thats your own personal preferences and I have no problems in just accepting that is what you believe and that is how you want to arrange your own personal affairs

        But don’t ever try to force your own strongly held personal proclivities down my neck and try to force me to conform to your own ideology and beliefs and your own personal preferences especially,what ever they might be!

        And that is now where the Left has far exceeded its social bounds in western democracies by trying to force society to stomach what in the end is nothing more than their own personal ideology and beliefs and proclivities of the members of the hard left.

        Regardless of whether Trump is elected or not, the backlash against the arrogance and dictatorial anti- human utopianism of the hard left is under way across the world’s western democracies.
        If not Trump then there will be others in the near future who take up the political cudgels against the hard left in western democracies.

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        sceptic56109

        Why is it that there is not one Republican politician, with a majority in both houses, who can stop the president from doing anything he wants? Can Cruz stop Obama from giving Gitmo back to Cuba?
        He had his chance.

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    Peter Dunford

    Climate Combat Ready Tactics 101

    There’s no point in invading another country to secure oil or gas supplies because you won’t be allowed to exploit them. You CAN invade another country to secure oil and gas supplies to ensure they are left in the ground.

    There’s no point in invading another country if it’s low lying and therefore it’s soon going to be underwater. You CAN invade a slightly higher lying country to secure space for climate refugees so they don’t have to come to America.

    When invading another country be careful to pack right. The weather could be hotter, colder, wetter or dryer than you were expecting. Even if you expected that.

    Is that the sort of thing he’s after?

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      Fantail

      It’s a self-defeating policy: anything involving machinery and fossil fuels will need to be evaluated on its role in climate change. That means training exercises, flight ops, naval operations, etc. Ultimately, it means the decline of US warfare readiness capability. Easier to park ships in naval bases and carry out simulations rather than contribute to climate change by steaming around the world’s oceans.

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      Mick In The Hills

      Kinda. All platoons to be equipped with a CO2 detector that the forward scout has to monitor, and call in aerial carbon tax deployment if readings over 400ppm are present.

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        Peter Miller

        For God’s sake, do you want to give the ecoloons any more crazy ideas?

        Your idea is certain to be adopted, now that the ecoloons realise it is possible. In the good old days of imperial Britain when the ungrateful colonials were being a bit stroppy, the RAF would drop leaflets saying we are about to bomb you, all those who are good colonials should leave, while the bad ones can stay. It is the same type of philosophy.

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      spangled drongo

      But just think of the CCS an efficient army could provide. With about 10 kg of carbon in every human, killing and burying millions would have an ever increasing beneficial win/win effect.

      Bazza could be way ahead of us all. I’m sure ISIS has the same philosophy. And let’s face it, there is more carbon in your average, well fed westerner … [snip what might take the thread on a tangent.]

      [Droll. :- ) Ahem. Lets not take this dark sardonic line beyond this -- Jo]

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      Peter Miller

      So that’s Obama’s grand legacy for the USA?

      You CAN invade another country to secure oil and gas supplies to ensure they are left in the ground.

      This has to be the ultimate greenie wet dream, using US military might to enforce a policy requiring all countries to leave their coal, oil and gas in the ground.

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    100% solar powered buses??

    “Recharging the bus takes about four hours and can be completed overnight using low-cost off-peak electricity”

    I have no doubt that DECC will attempt to legislate to sun to shine at night, maybe even putting the clocks back/forward (depending on time of year) variable hours to accomplish this – after all they are being advised by post science modernists.

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      Dennis

      You can now recharge a Tesla electric car near Port Macquarie NSW at a winery while enjoying lunch, and then return to Sydney.

      There is no charging point further north.

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        OriginalSteve

        There is a tesla charging point in Gundagai in NSW behind a food outlet…never seen a vehicle there though.. and would have cost a small fortune to set up….

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          James Murphy

          well, now we know what happened to the owner of the dog-on-the-tuckerbox – died from old age while waiting for an electric vehicle to charge.

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    … should read “legislate the sun to shine …”

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    Yonniestone

    Anyone here that wants to see one the best political thrillers I’ve watched go see “Eye in the sky”

    The interaction of politics and military is something to behold and raises many serious questions.

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      John in Oz

      I saw this last week and, as an ex-Navy (20 years) member who operated both missile and gunnery systems, was horrified at the second-guessing of the troops who did not have the full picture and delayed carrying out their orders.

      If troops are to also factor in environmental possibilities then they might as well disband all services now.

      To make the services ineffective even faster, hold them to the myriad of ‘safe workplace’ rules which should mean not sending troops into war in the first place. I’m led to understand that war zones are inherently unsafe /sarc

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        James Murphy

        I am surprised that no one has complained that troops aren’t wearing high visibility vests in combat.

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          Annie

          Over their camouflage, naturally!

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          BFA’s are hi-vis.

          [Blank-Firing-Attachments: fitted to weapons to allow them to work (semi-)automatically without sending a bullet through the barrel]

          A PITA if you’re trying to set up an ambush on field exercises but ameliorated if you accidentally happen to get some cam-cream (or similar) on them.

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      el gordo

      Ta, looks like a fun movie.

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    TdeF

    So now Obama is going to weaponize Climate Change? We no longer have to worry about ICBMs which could vaporize a city in 20 minutes from launch anywhere in the world. Now you have to worry that the US could very very slowly change the world’s climate and make your crops grow faster or make the seas rise very slightly faster than normal, sometimes? Try that threat on the Axis of Evil countries. In retaliation they could threaten Israel with higher wheat production. Is there no end to the new arms race?

    What did it benefit Adolf when he launched the greatest mechanized invasion in history in June 1941, the Blitzkreig of Operation Barbarossa with massive CO2 output and was stuck in the coldest winter in over one hundred years. His attempts to weaponize CO2 output backfired and ultimately saved Russia. CO2 would have to be the slowest weapon invented in human history and given the incredible power of ‘natural variation’, a weapon where a lot of the bugs have to be worked out.

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      James Murphy

      Operation Barbarella must have been the backup plan…?

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        TdeF

        Worrying. Barbarossa means red beard. As in Barber, Barbary coast, Barbados.

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          Glen Michel

          Friedrich 1st was an early founder of the Hohenstaufen dynasty and Holy Roman Emporer circa 1150 thereabouts.Drowned in ariver when his horse stumbled.Rider probably inebriated.Legend has it that his vassals interred him under the river! Legend that redbeard lives in some cave deep in central Germany with Ravens and will awaken in Germany’s hour of need when his beard grows three times around a rock. Time is about right now.

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      Totally off the subject, but reading your weekend comments about modern coal stations only emitting water and carbon dioxide, would you care to comment about the commonly held view that gas turbines emit less “pollution” than coal does and are more environmentally friendly. Oxidation of a hydro carbon, carbohydrate or carbon itself all produce CO2 and water plus impurities, and apart from the fact that the calorific values vary somewhat, is there any real difference if particulate emissions are removed?

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        Rod Stuart

        In that CCGT overall thermal efficency ranges from about 50% to mid 60%, CO2 is somewhat less than coal fired steam, which varies from about 30% to perhaps 40% or mid 40′s.
        Simple cycle GT thermal efficiency ranges from 20% for really old ones to the low 40%.
        With any of these, there is a substantial reduction in thermal efficiency at loads less than rated.
        CCGT and simple cycle gas turbines less than 20 years old generally have low NOX emissions in the order of 20 PPMV @15%O2. This tends to be lower than a coal fired boiler, although it is to a large extent smoke and mirrors since it depends on how well the low nox systems are maintained, how it is monitored, and at what load the plant is running.
        Since grades of coal vary widely and natural gas not so much, it is difficult to make any rational comparison. The extent to which a GT is maintained has a bearing on lube oil consumption, which can be another issue.
        Unless the scrubbers are operating extremely well, coal firing would produce more particulates that natural gas, for which it is virtually nil.
        Given that CO2 is of no real concern, one would suggest that it the answer to your question is six of one and a half dozen of the other.

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        Robk

        It’s somewhat moot but natural gas is methane, CH4,so it produces one CO2 and two H2O molecules on complete combution. Natural gas is relatively pure by the time it gets to the end user. Coal has a very high ratio of carbon to hydrogen so relatively less of the heat is from burning hydrogen, mostly it’s carbon fuel. Coal has a much higher ash content(obviously it depends on the quality) natural gas has virtually no ash.

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          Will Janoschka

          It’s somewhat moot but natural gas is methane, CH4,so it produces one CO2 and two H2O molecules on complete combution.
          “Natural gas is relatively pure by the time it gets to the end user. Coal has a very high ratio of carbon to hydrogen so relatively less of the heat is from burning hydrogen, mostly it’s carbon fuel. Coal has a much higher ash content(obviously it depends on the quality) natural gas has virtually no ash.”

          So What? Consider the Donald’s Mid latitude, mid troposphere Taj Mahal Casino. In actualarity a tree leaf! Water molecule stumbles in. ‘Can I play!?” Dealer: “Sure wad you got”? WM just me! Dealer: ‘Jew gots hydrogen molecule, wants to bet dat?’ WM against wat? Dealer: “Wid dat hydrogen jew remain water, can only fall down as rain, we offer ‘bigger’ hydrogen molecule D2 now you be heavy water, much appreciated by the ladies.” WV: why jew wan my hydrogen? Dealer: Please come back with one of your queer buddies!
          Hokay here we is!!! Dealer now, if jew loose, jew gets to retain a whole O2 atmospheric molecule that never needs to fall down. we gets 4 each hydrogen atoms dat we can sell to dat CO2 molecule dat converts to one methane molecule CH4 plus another O2 molecule that never need to fall down. jew two guys can play forever!
          Have I got the Carbon trading scheme about correct?
          All the best! -will-

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            Robk

            Will, you know it’s far more complicated than that because one was an orphan the other a leper but they didn’t even know they were brothers.

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        TdeF

        The real difference is water content, not chemistry. Brown coal is 50% water, so in generating power half the heat goes into evaporating the water and twice the amount of CO2 released for the same amount of electricity.

        About seven years ago, attempts in Victoria to dry the brown coal mechanically (between a Bacchus Marsh company and Monash University) were stopped by edict by the Labor government because according to the Age newspaper on the front page in the lead article, the process made the coal ‘blacker’. Horror! The Green ignorance of chemistry is that all carbon is dirty, even trees and people and especially invisible carbon dioxide. In their world, the ‘dirtiest’ coal is black coal because it is blacker. They must hate diamonds, 100% carbon.

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          TdeF

          Check the heat of combustion of common Alkenes (CH2) chains and black coal (anthracite), brown coal (lignite). You will see anthracite is almost exactly double lignite. That is the water difference at 50%-60% water in brown coal. Otherwise they are both should be around 36mj/kg. The Alkenes (CH2 chains from Methane, Butane, Propane, Hexane,..), gasoline, diesel are around 50mj/kg. Wood also has a lot of water so around 21mj/kg. It is interesting that diesel has less energy per kg than petrol, but with higher density, it is has 10% more energy content per litre, which is why now attracts higher taxes and cars go further.

          So you are right, at similar chemistry, the heat content is similar. The big difference is having to get rid of the water in brown coal/lignite. You would think society would do everything to remove the water from brown coal, but not the Greens. Coal is dirty. CO2 is pollution. Apparently.

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    James Bradley

    The USA is suffering through 8 years of a failed social experiment.

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    Napoleon had the same problem as Hitler did with the invasion of Russia as it turned out to be much colder than they planned on so Obama had better swat-up on the effects of global cooling in warfare.

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      TdeF

      Yes, but amazingly Napoleon took far fewer horses with his Grande Armee. Despite the three million soldiers and 600,000 vehicles of the Wehrmacht and thousands of aircraft and millions of tons of high explosive (Cannonballs did not explode), they also needed 700,000 horses many more than Napoleon. Hay burning Methane generators, so Hitler having studied Greenhouse gases was determined to rapidly increase the winter temperature of the Russian Steppes this time. It didn’t work.

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    Mari

    Huh. ” A new directive’s theme: The U.S. Armed Forces must show “resilience” and beat back the threat based on “actionable science.””

    Maybe they can shoot down all the errant CO2 molecules floating over-head. Rather than ICBMs, they’ll have miniaturized bomb-lets to rain upwards and wipe out the threat.

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      tom0mason

      .
      Also Mari maybe the military will force errant CO2 molecules to release all the heat they’ve entrapped by stealthily using ‘in theater’ neutron bombs. And the Navy take similar action to the oceans.

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    James in Perth

    Wow, is this crazy or what? The only good news I can come up with is that if the next president is not Hillary Clinton, he or she can reverse this almost as easily as the current administration put it into place. And then claim credit for saving the Department of Defense millions of wasted dollars! Anyway, that’s what I would do.

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    reformed warmist of logan

    Hi Jo,
    No wonder all the ‘passive-aggressive’ States like this ‘Green Scam’.
    (This large group of course inc. China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, Cuba, Bolivia, South Sudan, Lebanon, Libya etc. etc.)
    The starters of this Boondoggle were the EU., the biggest disgrace to democracy this world has ever seen. These politicians don’t seem to be accountable for their actions, and consequently their remoteness from the real world economy knows no bounds.
    As soon as the EU. wakes up and realises this whole charade is nothing more than a charade, it should be the beginning of the end for the green movement world-wide.
    So I think its safe to say its more likely a case of when rather than if.
    The only X-factor is whether its going to start to un-ravel this year – or the next year or two.
    Hopefully, it will be sooner rather than later.
    Surely isn’t approx. three trillion dollars wasted over the last 15-20 years on this … the world’s most un-validated scientific theory … is enough!
    Keep up the good work Jo.
    Warmest regards, reformed warmist of Logan!

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      OriginalSteve

      The russians openly call the EU the European Soviet

      As for the EU “waking up” – it wont, due it being point man for implementing communism in western europe….

      And the UK wont pull from the EU, as the UK has its own communists who want to be at the big boys table when the ballooon finally goes up….

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    Gary in Erko

    Tanks with their own wind turbines – that’s what we need. Direct drive would be more efficient than adding a generator and batteries. Not needed batteries, generators and motors would make a lighter weight tank too.

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    el gordo

    The Democrats are gungho on preparing for conflict involving global warming, Sanders is a nutter in this regard, so the Republicans have the option of saying nought or raising the stakes with global cooling concerns.

    The 1974 CIA report on a chilling world was premature but now the time is right, yet I don’t expect any of the candidates to take this course of action.

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    Fantail

    And the environmental take-over continues…Years ago, zoos and aquariums became concerned that the non-profit groups opposed to them were infiltrating government regulators with the aim to regulate them out of existence. The tactic has become apparent in a range of other areas and departments: pollution regulators, etc. By ordering the US military to consider climate change, high level decision-making positions within the US military have now been opened for [snip, similar groups]. I can only imagine the future discussions in the Pentagon’s conference rooms.

    [Editorial discretion applied.] AZ

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    handjive

    “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK.

    That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” Obama added.
    —Agence France-Presse, May 18th, 2008.
    . . .
    Self snip/

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    oldbrew

    Having invented the imaginary problems they have to invent the ridiculous solutions.

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    David S

    At what stage does this obsessive insanity becomes certifiable?

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    David Maddison

    Obama is not stupid or incompetent.

    Everything he does makes perfect sense if you understand that his mission is to weaken and destroy America.

    He is a rogue president, most probably not even an eligible one as he was likely not born in the US and he should have been removed by the military long ago when his treason became apparent.

    Obama has, however, removed well over 200 military top brass who may have been prepared to remove him.

    Making the military waste resources by fabricating this non-existent enemy of “climate change” is a further way to weaken the military. It is ridiculous in any case because the military is already set up to fight in any conditions from the tropics to the deserts to the poles.

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    Dennis

    Electric Tanks covered in Tesla battery packs reinforced with ceramic armour plating and painted extreme green.

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    Dennis

    Where is that around the world flight attempt solar aircraft now?

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      Yonniestone

      It flew too close to the sun melting the wax and……

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      Analitik

      Solar Impulse is still in Hawaii but the batteries that overheated in the flight from Japan have been replaced and a new cooling system installed. Test flights have been made to verify all systems are performing properly and engineers have begun returning to Mission Control in Monaco.

      The scheduled restart of the journey is mid April when daylight hours have extended

      http://blog.solarimpulse.com

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        Dennis

        What happened to the German built solar vessel that was to sail around the world and arrived in Australia mid-2000s?

        I remember reading that its cruising speed was around 5 knots or so and when sailing into strong wind it had to be turned around or make no headway whatsoever. And even with batteries on board the power supply with no solar input was quite short, as in a couple of days and nights under power.

        It cost a huge sum of money to construct, and the topside was nearly all solar panels.

        No doubt it was yet another green publicity stunt with no commercial value.

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          Yonniestone

          It sailed further than any known maps, off the edge of……..

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          James Murphy

          The school I went to built a solar powered boat, well, 2 of them actually, a few years apart, in the early-mid 1990s. They sailed the length of the Murray river – well, from Yarrawonga to the mouth of the river, taking about a month each.

          I was interested in it, and got involved, not because of any perception of an “environmental” aspect (actually, this was not really talked about), but because it was completely designed, built, and crewed by the students (the first one was a ~10m foam/fibreglass catamaran, with 2 banks of flat-lying solar panels separated by the open-air crew ‘pod’, and powered by 2x 24volt electric motors via deep-cycle batteries. It wasn’t the fastest thing in the water by any means, but it worked, and I think everyone learned a lot from the whole project. It also never pretended to be an amazing technological breakthrough/vision of the future as the Solar Impulse and others like it seem to want to repeat ad nauseam.

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    Robk

    I suspect the wordage is mostly all political rhetoric and diatribe for mass consumption. The US defence may make some token adjustments but aside from the standard pitfalls of chain-of-command type operations, (especially large ones), the US defence force is very much on top of their game.

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    pat

    29 Mar: Reuters: SunEdison at risk of bankruptcy, unit says; shares plummet 60 percent
    By Amrutha Gayathri and Arathy S Nair
    U.S. solar energy company SunEdison Inc (SUNE.N), whose aggressive acquisition strategy has saddled it with almost $12 billion of debt, is at “substantial risk” of bankruptcy, one of its two publicly listed units warned on Tuesday.
    A bankruptcy would rank among the largest involving a non-financial company in the past 10 years, according to bankruptcydata.com. SunEdison declined to comment.
    SunEdison’s shares – already reeling from a Wall Street Journal report on Monday that the company was being investigated for overstating its cash position – fell as much as 60 percent to a record low of ***50 cents…READ ON
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sunedison-inc-terraform-global-risk-idUSKCN0WV160

    Sept 2015: Sunedison: Will Obama Be Remembered As The Renewable Energy President?
    Putting his pen where his mouth is, President Obama announced the actions he’ll be taking during an appearance at Hill Air Force Base, according to WhiteHouse.gov.
    The broad points of the announcements were:
    - Training 75,000 Solar Workers by 2020: The previous goal was 50,000, but the program displayed enough initial success that the White House upped the ante.
    - Letting The GI Bill Be Used For Solar Workforce Training: The whole point of the GI Bill was so veterans could go to school for training to get a post-service job. So alterations have been put in to let it be used to help train veterans to join the green energy sector once they’ve taken off their uniforms…
    - Creating The Solar Ready Vets Program: This program’s goal is to provide training to veterans who will be transitioning out of military service. At the same time, the program will be used to provide renewable energy to military bases, such as Hill Air Force Base where the announcement was made (Hill Air Force Base took the initiative to introduce solar energy, but this program is likely to make big improvements on the amount of green energy the base generates)…
    http://www.sunedison.com/home-solar-systems/energy-matters/will-obama-be-remembered-renewable-energy-president

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    Geoffrey Williams

    Without wanting to offend Americans I think they must be a ‘dumb as bunch’ if they fall for this heap of Obama climate correctness.
    Geoff W

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      William

      You do remember that they elected Obama twice?
      Doesn’t that tell you they have the intelligence of a bag of wallnuts?
      Hillary is a shoe-in!

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    tom0mason

    Mr. Obama, the Generals like it!

    “Sustainable war.
    ¯
    Because we’re fighting for the peace of your future generations”

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    Geoffrey Williams

    Oh, and I hope that he (Obama) has instructed the military to develop the first ‘carbon neutral’ Atomic Bomb. Geoff W

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    Andrew McRae

    Invoke ANZUS, we’re under attack.
    Add it to The List!
    Climate change could put eucalypts at risk of death from air bubbles.
    Gum trees with the bends; You could not make it up.

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    John of Cloverdale WA Australia

    I must check my calendar. Has April 1 arrived?

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    johnonomous

    * .

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    Robber

    So the US Navy will sail the seven seas using wind and solar power, and bombs will be dropped by armadas of eagles?

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      OriginalSteve

      I doubt it…those new navy rail guns use an awful lot of juice to fire…..maybe a few bird stredders and a stiff breeze?

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        Robk

        I expect the rail guns to be well suited go a nuclear powered ship. Very green, or at least carbon neutral.

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    dean

    I’d like to know if all military equipment now needs to meet the say 100g CO2 emissions per km standard.

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    Grumpy

    I suppose they could start with taking beans, onions and other GHG producing agents from their ration packs.

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    That guy on the news the other day had the right idea.

    The Great Barrier Reef has died, sorry, is in the process of dying, the whole Northern Third of it, from horrendous coral bleaching, and he says that it will be dying within days.

    He wants Malcolm Turnbull to personally come and visit, and throw money at him, sorry, bring a stack of money with him to fix the problem. And this guys source for all that money needed.

    “Well, Mister Prime Minister, let’s give those new Submarines a miss, and use the money for something important like the GBR.”

    See, the process of making the Military factor in Climate Change is starting here in Oz already!

    Tony.

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      Graeme No.3

      Tony,
      is that the 1992, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 etc. threat to the Great Barrier Reef?

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      The Backslider

      Coral does not die when it bleaches. It’s simply all the algae taking a holiday. It always recovers.

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    pat

    crippling the energy grid!

    28 Mar: InsideClimateNews: Coco Liu: Facing Grid Constraints, China Puts a Chill on New Wind Energy Projects
    The Chinese government has halted the expansion of wind power in its northern provinces where a large number of turbines are churning out power that’s being wasted. The move underscores the challenges facing China as it works to fulfill its clean energy ambitions.
    Chinese regulators said the windswept regions of Inner Mongolia, Jilin, Heilongjiang, Gansu, Ningxia and Xinjiang will suspend the approval of new wind projects in 2016, according to a March 17 statement published on the website of China’s National Energy Administration. The six regions have installed nearly 71 gigawatts of turbines, more than the rest of China combined…
    But too much of that energy is being squandered. In 2015 alone, 33.9 billion kilowatt-hours of wind-powered electricity was wasted, government statistics show—equivalent to the electricity consumed by 3 million American households a year. That was about 15 percent of China’s total wind power generation, up from 8 percent a year earlier.
    Some of the wind-generated electricity had no place to go because there’s no transmission infrastructure to carry the power to population centers. In other cases, developers couldn’t compete with coal for contracts to connect to the grid…
    The intermittent nature of renewable energy also poses safety challenges for grid operators. Overcoming that requires financial resources and profound improvements to electricity lines…READ ON
    http://insideclimatenews.org/news/28032016/china-wind-energy-projects-suspends-clean-energy-climate-change

    28 Mar: Reuters: China pushes for mandatory integration of renewable power
    China has ordered power transmission companies to provide grid connectivity for all renewable power generation sources and end a bottleneck that has left a large amount of clean power idle, the country’s energy regulator said on Monday.
    The grid companies have been ordered to plug in all renewable power sources that comply with their technical standards, the National Energy Administration (NEA) said…
    The mandatory contracts mean that renewable power companies will still be compensated if they are squeezed out by other suppliers, said the NEA…
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-power-renewables-idUSKCN0WU0RF

    reminder:

    Sept 2015: Reuters: UPDATE 1-China targets $300 bln power grid spend over 2015-20 – report
    China will spend at least 2 trillion yuan ($315 billion) to improve its power grid infrastructure over the 2015-2020 period, a report by a government newspaper said on Monday…
    In a report published on the website of the National Energy Administration (NEA), China Electric Power News said the country was aiming to increase the total length of its high-voltage transmission lines to 1.01 million kms (627,585 miles) by the end of 2020, more than double the 2014 level…
    http://www.reuters.com/article/china-power-transmission-idUSL4N1171UP20150901

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      OriginalSteve

      I often wonder if alt. energy can be “squandered” – after all, if no one was really interested in it in the past, its in the category of “if a tree falls in the forest….”

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        Geoffrey Williams

        Sure, Alt energy can be squandered like any other form.
        Remember also that it cost 5x as much to harvest!
        Geoff W

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    So the US Navy will sail the seven seas using wind and solar power, and bombs will be dropped by armadas of eagles?

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      Mari

      If they do we will back in the age of armadas. The guns will be bigger, but the boats (ships) will be slower. Maybe we can have them change the uniforms – eye-patches, frilly shirts and bloused pants.

      I mean, if the world is heading to silliness, might as well make it visually silly as well.

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    pat

    better push back the date the last of Britain’s coal-fired power stations are due to close:

    29 Mar: Financial Times: Dissenting EDF engineers urge delay to Hinkley nuclear project
    By Michael Stothard in Paris
    Senior engineers at French utility EDF have called for at least a two year delay at the controversial Hinkley Point nuclear project in the UK and recommended a redesign of the reactor technology.
    An internal white paper written by dissenting EDF engineers, which has been seen by the Financial Times, argues that Hinkley Point is so complex and untested that the company should announce a later completion date than the target of 2025.
    The paper, circulated among top executives, said that the “realistic service date was 2027” due to the size of the project, continuing design modifications to the European Pressurised Reactor system and the “very low” competency of French supplier Areva in making some of the large components.
    The white paper also made the case for a “new EPR”, calling on the company to redesign the current reactor technology to make it smaller, cheaper to build and less complicated…READ ALL
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/2ef61abe-f5b1-11e5-96db-fc683b5e52db.html

    8 Mar: UK Daily Mail: Matt Dathan: Minister who struck ‘worst ever’ deal with EDF to build Hinkley Point now works for a lobbying firm… which counts the French energy company as one of its clients
    •Ed Davey was Energy Secretary until he lost his seat to the Tories last May
    •The Lib Dem now works for MHP Communications, who advises EDF
    •But now ministers urged to scrap project to save taxpayer £17billion
    •The deal, which guarantees EDF £92.50 per megawatt hour, described by one energy expert as the ‘worst deal I’ve ever seen’
    •Davey was knighted for his ‘political service’ in the New Year’s honours
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3481879/Minister-struck-worst-deal-EDF-build-Hinkley-Point-works-lobbying-firm-counts-French-energy-company-one-clients.html

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    Eight years ago, when I started doing all this, one of the first solar power plants I wrote about was at a Military Base, the Solar PV Plant at Nellis AFB in Nevada. (home of the fighter pilot)

    That Post from my original Kyoto Series is at this link, and for those who do go there and read it, you can see how tentative I was in those days about writing about such things, because, at that time, I was going against everything else being written about these types of Renewable power plants, and because of that, I actually thought I might be wrong about them, because I was the only one who thought they were duds.

    This plant was opened in 2007. It had an original Nameplate of 14.2MW, derated to 13MW. It supposedly generates a yearly average of (around) 32GWH, and supplies 25GWH of power for Nellis, which was about a quarter of the Base’s total power consumption at construction, and now constitutes around 20% of the Base’s needs as the panels age and the base expands.

    Here’s a better image of the plant at this link.

    It has 12 of those large panels mounted onto the one platform. Each of those platforms is called a heliostat, and during daylight hours each of those heliostats tracks the path of the Sun across the sky. The plant covers an area of 140 acres. There are 5,800 of those heliostats, containing 73,000 solar panels, and in total, more than 5.9 million of those individual solar cells. (and that’s where the remaining 7GWH (7,000MWH) of generated power goes, to drive those heliostats to follow the path of the Sun across the sky during daylight hours)

    The plant’s cost was never said outright, (Defense Force secrecy, I suppose) but figures close to $100 Million were bandied about at the time, and in 2007, that was a lot of money for a Renewable Power Plant.

    I guess it was successful, because now they are everywhere powering more and more Military bases.

    Well, umm, no, because this is still the only one, a boutique plant constructed from an inexhaustible military budget I suppose.

    Tony.

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      handjive

      Tony, here is something you have been saying for years:

      The Myth of Wind and Solar “Capacity”

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2016/03/29/the-myth-of-wind-and-solar-capacity/#39ef312418dc

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        Thanks handjive.

        That original Forbes article is blocked for me, and will probably be blocked also for others, so I found the same article at a second site.

        The Myth of Wind and Solar “Capacity”

        They refer to it as Capacity. That is the correct term for it, but I have always used the term Nameplate. (full term is Nameplate Capacity)

        Why I use Nameplate only is to differentiate it from that other term I use most frequently Capacity Factor.

        It’s an easy thing for people who are electrically trained to know exactly what they are with the correct title, but what I write is aimed at the person who has no understanding of electrical power generation, and it’s easier for them to understand if I use terms that can’t be misinterpreted if they have similar names.

        The other one I use is consumption, when the correct term is Demand.

        I get picked up occasionally by people in the trade, but I can live with that as long as the people who read what I do write about it understand what is being said, and it’s sometimes difficult to explain something that while seemingly looking so simple, is actually quite complex, even for people in the trade to understand.

        Tony.

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    pat

    10 Mar: UK Govt: Competition and Markets Authority Press Release
    The CMA is also proposing extensive measures to reset the relationship between Ofgem, the Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) and the industry, so that decisions are made efficiently, on the basis of readily available accurate information, with the impact on consumers clearly set out…
    ***The fact that energy and climate policies are expected to make up 37% of the household cost of electricity by 2020 shows the impact that policy and regulatory decisions can have on bills…
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-sets-out-energy-market-changes

    chump change, but u have to smile:

    29 Mar: ReutersCarbonPulse: Mike Szabo: UK govt hits eight facilities with £100k in EU ETS penalties
    More than £100,000 in penalties have been levied on eight UK-based installations for breaches relating to the EU ETS, including two military air bases, the country’s prison service, and a brewery.
    According to the data published on Tuesday by the climate and energy ministry, the latest fines are the result of non-compliance during the EU carbon market’s second phase (2008-2012).
    The biggest penalty of just over £73,000 was imposed on RAF Brize Norton, the largest station in the Royal Air Force, for failing to surrender sufficient allowances to cover its emissions between 2008 and 2010.
    The Royal Naval Air Station Culdrose was also fined £3,000 for not submitting verified emissions for 2012 by the Mar. 31, 2013 deadline…
    The penalties follow a total £932,000 in EU ETS non-compliance fines imposed by the UK government on dozens of installations and airlines in the past year.
    http://carbon-pulse.com/17679/

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    Rod Stuart

    How is it possible that such a large proportion of the population, is so gullible that it will accept the phrase “fighting climate change”.
    Honestly could there be a more meaningless, idiotic hare-brained statement?
    Join the fight against the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Donate early and often. Help us fight the tooth fairy, and Santa Claus, too! Help stamp out terror. Join in the battle against the Bunyip.

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      OriginalSteve

      The problem with smart phones is that every drongo that has one, all of a sudden feels they are important as they can take part in “the conversation” and have “input”…

      Smart phones have been the biggest boon for law enforcement and the spooks ever – what other device allows you to voluntarily publicise your location, your habits, your call history & your personal antics, allow you to be tracked 24×7, all the while paying for the privelege.

      We’d have to be the dumbest generation ever….surely….

      People like Stalin or Hitler could only have dreamed of tech like this…

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      See where Rod Stuart mentions this:

      How is it possible that such a large proportion of the population, is so gullible that it will accept the phrase “fighting climate change”.

      Well, here’s how they do it, to make the people realise that the problem is so huge, and that something needs to be done about it.

      Have a look at the chart at this link for CO2 emissions by Country. (yeah yeah, I know, it’s Wikipedia)

      Now, see Australia’s total there of 409 Million tonnes of CO2. Now, do the simple sum of comparing that to the number at the very top of the chart, total World emissions.

      So, Australia’s total is only 1.146%.

      Now ….. go back down that same list and see Australia’s emissions per capita, and note that number there is a whoppingly huge 17.3, (tonnes of CO2 per person) the second highest total on that list.

      Now that’s how they sell it.

      See now why that ridiculous per capita meme is always used.

      Our total here in Australia is 1.1%, and coming down. Eight years ago, when I started doing all this, it was around 1.6% of the total.

      Australia’s total for CO2 emissions has RISEN in fact by 56 Million tonnes since 2005, and our percentage has dropped from 1.6% to 1.1%.

      See again why that per capita meme is always used.

      See also why they don’t use that percentage total, because Australia’s is actually coming down, so we can’t have that now, can we. People might get the wrong idea, that we are lowering our emissions.

      Now look at China. Their emissions are Australia multiplied by 26, and yet their per capita total is only 7.6, less than half that of Australia, so by extrapolation, using this chart, China good, Australia bad, very bl00dy bad indeed.

      So if we shut down every coal fired plant in Australia, and every Natural Gas fired plant in Australia, took every car, truck and train off the roads, stopped all coal mining, and reduced our CO2 emissions to near zero, we could, umm, ….. save the GBR.

      It’s such a laugh.(sorry, self snip)

      Tony.

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        PeterPetrum

        Tony, your last paragraph is almost exactly what I wrote to my MP, Louise Markus, as described in my post 24,in Jo’s Easter Unthreaded – here it isn’t;

        “If the aim of this waste is to “save the planet” not only is it a waste, it is senseless! The Australian contribution of CO2 to the atmosphere is only 0.00002% of the total atmosphere – virtually nothing! We could close down every factory in the country tomorrow, stop driving every vehicle and turn off every power station and it would not make one iota of difference to the climate”

        Looking at your figures though, my estimation of Aussie CO2, as a percentage of total atmosphere, was high at 0.00002%.

        Maybe I should write to her again – or maybe not – state based income taxation might be more topical!

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        gigdiary

        Thanks, Tony for your reply on the other thread. I’ll sheet it home to those that try to tell me that the desal plant is powered by renewables, and that the desal plant isn’t a massive waste of taxpayers’ money.

        By the way, you have a wonderful flair for explaining to the layman the intricacies of electrical engineering, and therefore the science behind the end result of the global warming scam.

        It would be wonderful to read your missives in the Australian.

        Janet Albrechsten made the leap some years ago from academic to become a noted columnist at the Oz. She was a late-comer to the media world. Tony, the MSM needs you, or someone like you, to make the leap and get this knowledge and information out there. You have a remarkable way with words that connects with both the scientific community and the layman.

        Far be it for me to suggest that you put your hand up, however, I reckon you’d be perfect for the job!

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    Michael

    Given if this forum posters are to be believed:

    defencetalk.com/forums/military-strategy-tactics/ The US military used stone age tactics- so they stand up right next the next the ISIS fighters and use clubs- They are stuffed anyway climate change tactics or not. I think they really mean concepts but concepts are only something to a tactical planner worthless to a soldier who details for training for general preparedness.

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    handjive

    29 March, 2016:

    Gore announces coalition of Dem AGs to investigate ‘climate denial’: ‘Looks like fraud. They are violating the law’

    Joined by Attorneys General from six states, former Vice President Al Gore announces the formation of an ‘historic coalition’ to investigate “commercial interests that have been… deceiving the American people” about the reality of the “climate crisis and the dangers it poses to all of us”.

    Al Gore: Climate skeptics are “according to the best available evidence, deceiving the american people, communicating in a fraudulent way – about the reality of the climate crisis and the dangers that it poses to all of us and committing fraud in their comunciations about the viability of renewable energy and efficiency and energy storage.”

    “In the opinion of many who have looked at this pattern of misbehavior and what certainly looks like fraud, they are violating the law.”

    Video Via climatedepot

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      Dave in the States

      Talk about projecting. Who has been deceiving the American people with fabrications about a climate crisis, and telling lies about the viability of renewable energy, while lining your pockets all these years Al?

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    Sparks

    Well duh! we’re going to need a ‘climate change’ army, to attack the enemy, to shoot bullets in its face, and when that big bad climate change shows its face around these parts, we’ll need to have brave men and women to stab it in the neck with sharp knives, and while they’re holding it in a head lock, pull the pin of a grenade or two to show the climate change who’s boss…

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    Egor TheOne

    There is a useful four letter word ….and El Presidente Obumma is Full Of It !

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    Egor TheOne

    Solar powered Nukes , or Nuclear powered Solar Panels ???
    Who knows what lingers in the sad minds of such CAGW ratbags !

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    Ross

    Del Cons, one and all.

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    Ross

    Hey Jo, Heres an issue dear to your heart…
    Read today; Proposed Shenhua Mine, on Liverpool Plains, NSW ‘Commercially Unviable’.
    The Chinese owner outlined an accelerated plan to “move away from mining and into cleaner power generation”.
    Money talks. Just thought you and your readers might be interested, Jo.

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    pat

    29 Mar: Courier Mail: Sarah Vogler: The $16m investment project we stole from NSW
    PREMIER Annastacia Palaszczuk has travelled to Gladstone to announce a new $16 million biofuels plant for the area, a move she says is the next step in building a biofuels industry in the state.
    Ms Palaszczuk said if successful, the Northern Oil Advanced Biofuels Pilot Plant will be expanded to a large commercial-scale refinery costing $150 million and producing 200 million litres of advanced biofuel annually, suitable for military, marine and aviation use…
    The pilot plant is expected to be operational by later this year and within the next three years aims to have produced one million litres of fuel for use in field trials by the US navy as part of its Great Green Fleet initiative, and also by the Australian Navy…
    Southern Oil Refining Managing Director Tim Rose said his company had been working with the Australian Defence Force to develop green fuel technology that satisfied the requirements of the US and Royal Australian navies and the Great Green Fleet vision…
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-government/the-16m-investment-project-we-stole-from-nsw/news-story/9da09712b177f2c6844763dc1acd9efd

    read the comments by Ron W, after the following one.
    Bernie may be wrong when quoting the Fraser Coast Chronicle – but the increases still seem steep if they are, in fact, over seven years, as Ron W suggests. another reader Hector comments: “There is no biomass feedstock in the Gladstone area and the cost of transportation will contribute to overhead production costs to deem the project and product as economically un viable.”

    COMMENT by Bernie:
    This plant is to fed from the by-products of sugar cane farms, none of which are in the Gladstone area. However, my local newspaper is reporting today that electricity prices in regional Queensland will rise as from the 1st July, putting cane farming at risk of collapse.
    Electricity is to rise by 0.6% for households, 9.3% for small business and 10.6% for on-farm irrigation. The average cane farmer can expect an increase of $50,000 per year for their irrigation.
    What is the point in attracting new business to Queensland when the government prices existing business out of existence. How can a 10.6% price rise be justified when the CPI is low, coal prices used to generate electricity is at record low prices and there have been no cyclones that wrecked the electricity network saving the cost of extensive repairs.
    This Labor Government needs to put out of business.

    29 Mar: BiofuelsInternational: Southern Oil Refining to build advanced biofuel pilot plant in New Zealand
    The pilot plant is expected to be operational later in 2016 and will aim to produce one million litres of fuel within three years for use in field trials by the US and Australian navies.
    Airlines Virgin and Qantas have also expressed interest in using the produced fuel to power their aircrafts…
    http://biofuels-news.com/display_news/10329/Southern_Oil_Refining_to_build_advanced_biofuel_pilot_plant_in_New_Zealand/

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      So, let me see if I’ve got this right.

      The plant is to be fed from feedstock which is the waste from sugar cane processing, none of which is in the Gladstone area.

      Bagasse, you know, the cane waste product already being used by most sugar mills to generate electrical power at their mills to assist with the processing of sugar cane.

      And before some of you say, well, Tony, surely that wouldn’t amount to all that much.

      It’s around 380MW worth of Nameplate at 22 Sugar mills.

      So, bagasse for power generation to process the sugar, or bagasse feedstock for biofuels.

      Hmm! Let me see now.

      Naah! Too hard.

      Tony.

      Link to Bagasse fed power plants in Queensland

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    pat

    let them eat “carbon”:

    30 Mar: The Conversation: Farming in 2050: storing carbon could help meet Australia’s climate goals
    by Brett Anthony Bryan, Principal Research Scientist, Environmental-economic integration, CSIRO
    Australia’s agricultural lands help to feed about 60 million people worldwide, and also support tens of thousands of farmers as well as rural communities and industries…
    Agriculture, and particularly livestock, is currently a major contributor to greenhouse gas emissions. But new markets and incentives could make storing carbon or producing energy from land more profitable than farming, and turn our agricultural land into a carbon sink.
    How might these competing forces play out in changing Australian land use? Our research, published in Global Environmental Change (LINK), assesses a range of potential pathways for Australia’s agricultural land as part of CSIRO’s National Outlook (LINK)…
    Farming carbon
    In our modelling, carbon sequestration in the land sector plays a key role of Australia’s future…
    We modelled the economic potential for land use change and its impacts in over 600 scenarios (full data available here) (LINK)…
    Who knows? A pay rise while watching trees grow could be an attractive proposition for our ageing farmers…
    http://theconversation.com/farming-in-2050-storing-carbon-could-help-meet-australias-climate-goals-54899

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      Robk

      I’m a farmer. I love farming. Yes, soil carbon is good but these guys are nuts. If farming becomes all about carbon sequestration forget the whole deal.

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      Mari

      “Australia’s agricultural lands help to feed about 60 million people worldwide, and also support tens of thousands of farmers as well as rural communities and industries…
      Agriculture, and particularly livestock, is currently a major contributor to greenhouse gas emissions. But new markets and incentives could make storing carbon or producing energy from land more profitable than farming, and turn our agricultural land into a carbon sink.”

      And where, pray tell, is the food to come from?

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    pat

    a must-read. if u get a questionnaire, just answer “no” and then u usually go to the article.
    can’t copy for some reason.
    it’s all about the EDF Hinkley Pt delay, the closing date for coal-fired power stations & energy security:

    29 Mar: Financial Times: Doubts grow over zero-carbon energy target
    by Kiran Stacey and Jim Pickard
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/666eed1e-f5bf-11e5-803c-d27c7117d132.html

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    el gordo

    “In 2014 in Europe there were about 40,000 winter deaths because millions of people were unable to pay for their electric bills – the so-called energy poverty currently impacts about ten percent of all Europeans. In the past 8 years the price of electricity in Europe has climbed by an average of 42 percent.”

    - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.WB5Eru2v.dpuf

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      Dennis

      I don’t want to imagine the situation by 2030 to 2050 if the cooling trend continues that commenced around 1998.

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    Retired Now

    Mostly I self censor around these topics. But I find it more than bizarre to read what Obama is doing. I don’t like to think in terms of conspiracies, but the incompetence of the man is either monumental or he really is out to destroy the US. I can’t think of any other alternative explanation for his destruction of the defensive capacity of the US.

    Hmmm, best not to say more.

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      PeterS

      The same goes for Turnbull with his new tax plans. He now makes Gillard/Rudd look like financial geniuses in comparison. What is it with our Western leaders today? Have they decided together to destroy the West? I bet Russia and China are laughing their heads off.

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        Dennis

        President Putin of Russia commented about UN IPCC man-made global warming last year, he referred to it as a fraud.

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        Retired Now

        Agreed PeterS. I hate to support Turnbull but the alternative of Shorten seems even worse. So where to go for the lower house? The Senate now has alternatives, but the House of Representatives still poses a huge problem for me. Do I vote for a leftie (the turncoat) or an extremist leftie. Some choice!

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          Graeme No.3

          Vote for an independent who won’t get in, then give your second preference to the Liberals (or anyone you think would be better). That way they lose the money for a first preference vote and the party machine gets shirty with Turnbull. Also the backbenchers have sleepless nights as preferences are counted and will come back (if they do) to Canberra less than pleased with Lord Waffle of Woolovereye.

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    Philip Mulholland

    Don Quixote – tilting at windmills.

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    Graham Richards

    The ” [snip] in Chief In the Whitehouse” will soon be history & provided what’s left of the Republicans assumes power these dumb policies will also be history!

    If th Democrats win we’ll just have to say goodbye to the USA.

    [it works better this way] ED

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    PeterS

    Have Obama and Turnbull caught the same insane disease? Turnbull with his new tax plans that make Gillard/Rudd/Shorten look like geniuses, now Obama with his plan for the military to help combat climate change.

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    John

    The solution is simple,use the ICBM ‘s only, not much CO2 released, quickly reduces the worlds population. Most of the problems we have created could be eliminated almost overnight, the remnant population can ten start again! My apologies to those whom don’t survive this simple solution.

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    ROM

    As we are discussing the leader of the world’s largest economic nation along with the most powerful military force the words I have to chose to adequately sum up my opinion of Obama have to be muted indeed.

    And at a near 78 years old , I have seen enough American Presidents with Truman the first that I can personally just recall memories of as written in the papers of the time.
    From my reading of history, on through Eisenhower who would have preferred to play golf instead of acting as president when America was at the very peak of its military and economic power and probably accounted for near 70% of the worlds economy at the end of the devastation of WW2.
    America had a few very good presidents such as Reagan, perhaps Kennedy who was assassinated just when his presidency was starting to turn sour over Vietnam .
    There have been a number of very mediocre post WW2 US presidents and couple of incompetent doozies.

    In my opinion as a non American and from the outside with no political skin in the game, Obama ranks down there near the bottom of the steaming pile of incompetent American presidential office bearers.

    Obama seems to have an increasingly severe infliction of the Messiah Complex where he imagines himself to be the saviour of the world.

    Anybody who would appoint a scientific shaman like John Holdren as their science adviser is likely to be far removed from the real world outside and has a demonstrable and appalling ignorance of real American life at the street level.
    Appointing Holdren as science adviser gives a pretty fair indication of the level of [ in]competency and lack of integrity of Obama’s presidency.

    Holdren of course is fanatical warmer and just as illogical and fanatical in some other fields he decides he is competent to comment on

    A couple of Holdren’s more notable quotes out of quite a number below and remember this is the guy Obama appointed as his science adviser and therefore has been the major influence in helping to create Obama’s Messiah Complex although Obama certainly didn’t need much help there, plus authoring most of Obama’s irrational outpourings about global warming and climate change.

    Quote by John Holdren, President Obama’s science czar:

    “There exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated…It has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.”

    Quote by John Holdren, President Obama’s science czar:

    “A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States…De-development means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the global resource situation…Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being.”

    Plus other Holdren quotes here, all of which can be directly associated with many of Obama’s climate catastrophe brain cell liquefaction problem thus destroying the control of his teleprompter acvtivated mouth.

    Delusions of Grandeur seem to be an inherent characteristic of the most fanatical of global warmers particularly if they are involved in the science proffession at any level.
    They are the ones, Holdren , Schellenhuber, the late Schneider, Mann, Jones and etc who believe that it is they who through the likes of a manipulated Obama are the only ones that are expert enough and are qualified enough and are of a far superior intelligence to the Hoi polloi far below them who can redirect the world’s political, social and industrial reorganisation along dictatorial lines, their dictatorial lines so as to “Save the Planet” from “something”, the “something” being in their fevered imaginations only.

    And just in case you might have missed it, the Pope’s science adviser is Hans Joachim Schellnhuber of the somewhat notorious German warmist nest , the Potsdam Institute

    Quote by Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, architect of the new Germanic masterplan, the ‘Great Transformation’:

    “Either the Earth System would undergo major phase transitions as a result of unchecked human pressure on nature’s capacities and resources or a “Great Transformation” towards global sustainability would be initiated in due course. Neither transitions nor transformations will be manageable without novel forms of global governance and markets…”

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    Analitik

    Back in the late ’70s, Jimmy Carter declared his War on Energy. Four decades later and the military are finally getting involved

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    ExWarmist

    Modifying tactics at the squad level to account for climate change – unless actually demonstrating combat utility – could be an excuse for fragging.

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    Walt Allensworth

    Obama’s objective has nothing to do with climate or helping the US.
    It has to do with getting votes and control of the citizenry.
    He has adopted the theory of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW) solely because it’s a convenient way to tax the citizens of the US. The Unaffordable Care Act is just another way to control the citizens … health care is 1/7th of the US budget. It’s too rich a plum to leave to industry.
    Energy is the same thing, and also tied up with CAGW. Control energy and you control the country.

    It’s blatantly obvious what he’s doing, and none of it helps the country.

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    Svend Ferdinandsen

    Scary. The climate is a very diffuse enemy, so they might start fighting the denialists instead.

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    old44

    Just another version of the left hampering the military in the way they wage war. Refer the uproar about Hanoi harbour, stop mining the harbour because it would impede the Russians supplying the weapons used to kill our troops.

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    Analitik

    OT: Tasmanian electricity updates

    “it will not transport energy across Bass Strait again until mid-June”
    “water has leaked into the cable, meaning another cut and join will be needed to replace the section as well as the part containing the fault”
    “The trent unit has returned to Tasmania and could begin generating this weekend”
    “Tasmanian Greens are now calling on Mr Groom to implement energy savings across the community”

    Basslink cable repair pushed back to June as Tasmania’s dam levels continue to fall

    “Tasmania’s water storage dams could go as low as 12 per cent, despite previous assurances they would not drop below 13.6 per cent”
    “The electricity generator has said it could still produce power from dams until storage levels hit 6.5 per cent.”
    “Hydro’s cloud seeding program starts tomorrow”

    Hydro drops dam limit

    “the state is now relying on 150 diesel generators and a decommissioned power plant”
    “an entire Australian state is relying on emergency generators”
    “it has cost $42 million to set up the generators”
    “about $20 million each month to operate.”
    “five factories consume about 60 per cent of the state’s electricity”
    “currently expecting rains to arrive around May.”

    Tasmania relying on 150 diesel generators for electricity until June

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      ianl8888

      … Tasmanian Greens are now calling on Mr Groom to implement energy savings across the community

      In short, the people will now stop luxuriating in their sinful consumption.

      About five years ago, some ALP d!ckhead politician made the statement: “We won’t let the lights go out”. This scared me at the time, I mean why would he think that was reassuring ? Why on earth would he need to say it ?

      Well, Tasmania is there, right now.

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    Rod Stuart

    In the spirit of agility and innovation, I suggest that they put green dye in the diesel fuel. And point out that it costs plenty of “green” to purchase it.

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    pat

    30 Mar: BusinessGreen: Madeleine Cuff: Committee on Climate Change adds new expert members
    The Committee on Climate Change (CCC) yesterday appointed two new members to help its development of the UK’s carbon budget proposals and oversee the government’s work on emissions reductions.
    The two newest members of the nine-strong committee are Professor Corinne Le Quéré, director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, and Professor Nick Chater, an expert on behavioural sciences at Warwick Business School.
    The CCC also announced Lord Robert May, a member of the CCC since its formation in 2008, is stepping down from his position…
    Meanwhile, Chater, who specialises in applying behavioural insights to public policy and business approaches, expressed his excitement at exploring how patterns of human behaviour can be harnessed to help meet carbon targets.
    ***”In my view, really dramatic reductions in carbon emissions will require profound changes not only in the way we create and distribute energy, food and industrial products but also in the way we use and consume them,” he said in a statement…
    The two Professors join existing CCC members ETC ETC
    http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2452694/committee-on-climate-change-beefs-up-advisory-board

    29 Mar: CCC.org: Professor Corinne Le Quéré and Professor Nick Chater join the Committee on Climate Change
    Professor Corinne Le Quéré is Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research and Professor of Climate Change Science and Policy at the University of East Anglia (UEA). She conducts research on the interactions between climate change and the carbon cycle. She has authored multiple assessment reports by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and is a member of the Scientific Committee of the Future Earth research platform for global sustainability.
    Professor Nick Chater FBA is Professor of Behavioural Science at Warwick Business School, having previously held chairs in Psychology at Warwick and University College London (UCL). He is particularly interested in the cognitive and social foundations of rationality, and in applying behavioural insights to public policy and business. He has served as Associate Editor for the journals Cognitive Science, Psychological Review, Psychological Science and Management Science. He co-founded, and is a Director of, the research consultancy Decision Technology Ltd…
    Notes to editors
    1.Professor Le Quéré and Professor Chater were selected following a transparent and competitive process conducted in accordance with the Office of the Commissioner for Public Appointments Code of Practice.
    https://www.theccc.org.uk/2016/03/29/professor-corinne-le-quere-and-professor-nick-chater-join-the-committee-on-climate-change/

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    Analitik

    Unaoil Scandal

    Fairfax and Huffington Post have combined investigative forces to reveal a “global web of bribery and graft” in the oil industry, based around a “Monaco company called Unaoil, run by the jet-setting Ahsani clan.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2016/the-bribe-factory/day-1/the-company-that-bribed-the-world.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/unaoil-bribery-scandal-corruption_us_56fa2b06e4b014d3fe2408b9?utm_hp_ref=australia

    While corruption is never a good thing, does anyone else feel that by headlining the evils of fossil fuels, this may be a diversion tactic in order to reduce focus on the continuing failure of renewable power generation?

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    pat

    29 Mar: EurekaAlert: National Academy of Sciences: Press Release: Longer-term weather and environmental forecasts will provide enormous benefit
    Extending short-term forecasts to predict Earth system conditions — conditions in the atmosphere, ocean, or land surface — two weeks to 12 months into the future will help decision makers, such as local officials, farmers, military officers, or water resource managers, plan ahead and save lives, protect property, and increase economic vitality. For example, naval and commercial shipping routes could be better planned to avoid hazards or take advantage of favorable conditions predicted for the weeks ahead.
    “We have a bold vision that subseasonal to seasonal forecasts, which look two weeks to up to a year in advance, will be as widely used a decade from now as daily and weekly weather forecasts are today,” said committee chair Raymond J. Ban, Ban and Associates, LLC. “Even if such information never matches the level of confidence associated with tomorrow’s weather forecast, it could still be used by individuals, businesses, and governments to make a large array of important decisions. The path to realizing this vision and its inherent value will require focused effort on Earth system processes and predictions by both physical and social scientists. It’s time to step up investment in building next-generation Earth system prediction capabilities.”
    The report outlines a 10-year agenda with four research strategies to make seasonal…
    The study was sponsored by the Office of Naval Research, NASA, and the Heising-Simons Foundation…
    The report will be released with a public briefing and webcast at 11 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, March 29; it will also be discussed at a webinar to be held on Wednesday, May 4.
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-03/naos-lwa032916.php

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    pat

    31 Mar: Sky News: AAP: NSW solar farm inks deal with Origin Energy
    Origin Energy has signed a 15-year contract with the new Moree Solar Farm in northern NSW, which will generate enough energy to supply 24,000 households.
    Origin, which in October said was the world’s first energy company to sign up to all seven climate change initiatives under the global Carbon Disclosure Project, on Thursday said the recently commissioned plant is expected to produce 145 GWh of energy annually…
    The deal with the local unit of Spain’s Fotowatio Renewable Ventures could be followed by more solar projects, with Origin recently shortlisted for funding for a development approved site in Darling Downs, Queensland.
    http://www.skynews.com.au/business/business/national/2016/03/31/nsw-solar-farm-inks-deal-with-origin-energy.html

    2 Mar: SolarNovus: Moree Solar Farm Starts Feeding into Australian Electrical Grid
    Moree Solar Farm, developed by Fotowatio Renewable Ventures (FRV), is now feeding 56 MW of renewable solar energy into the National Electricity Market, enough to power 15,000 average homes…
    ARENA CEO Ivor Frischknecht said large-scale solar in Australia was making solid headway towards reaching commercial maturity.
    “In the last six months we’ve seen more than 210 MW from ARENA-supported solar farms start feeding into the grid and powering Australian homes and businesses with renewable energy,” Mr Frischknecht said.
    “The Nyngan, Broken Hill and Moree solar farms, along with approximately 200 MW set to be built through ARENA’s $100 million large-scale solar round, will help push costs down by developing local supply chains, increasing financier confidence and advancing innovative renewable technologies…
    ARENA is providing $101.7 million funding support to Moree Solar Farm as well as driving knowledge sharing about the lessons learned during planning, design and construction. The CEFC has provided a debt finance commitment of $46 million…
    Moree Solar Farm is scheduled for full completion in April 2016.
    http://www.solarnovus.com/moree-solar-farm-starts-feeding-into-australian-electrical-grid_N9762.html

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      I want you to look at an image here, shown at this link.

      Now, at that link, scroll down and look at that bottom image there. This is the Wind Farm Plant.

      Now, look at the foreground, closest to where the photo is taken. See the gap between each (major) row. See those little white blockhouses along the row, and there are seven of them, and there are four major rows, so there’s 28 of those small blockhouses. Each one of those is a separate little power plant, where they convert the DC generated by the plant to the AC fed to the grid.

      Now, when you add up the total nameplate of every cell on every panel (222,800 Panels) that total comes to 70MW, but that’s the DC total. (theoretically) After conversion to AC, the plants total (theoretical) AC power comes in at 56MW, so in theory, you’ve lost 20% in the conversion.

      A plant like, say, Bayswater has 4 units, which is the average for super large coal fired plants, here, Bayswater at 2640MW. All of that power is already generated as AC power, by the turbo alternators, which are referred to as Generators. Again, this is another of those quirky things which can lead non electrically trained people to be a little puzzled, as a generator (per se) is different from an Alternator. (per se)

      Bayswater has virtually all the time, at least three units operational, all synchronised perfectly to the grid. The fourth is mainly operational, but on a rotational basis, one of those four units is occasionally off line for servicing. When that is finished, that unit is run up to full operation, so everything checks out. Then, only after all that is done, it is synchronised to the other three running units. (and the grid) So, every so often, this synchronising process is carried out ….. synchronising ONE unit to the grid.

      Now, with this solar plant which only generates during daylight hours, they have to wait for full generation, and as each unit comes up, they have to synchronise it to the earlier one, and the grid ….. 28 times, and do that EVERY day, again adding to the losses, and the complexity of operation for a plant.

      Now this plant ….. CLAIMS to be able to generate 145GWH of power a year, but keep in mind that this is the modelled output. This gives the plant a Capacity Factor of almost 30%. I love seeing things like this because here we have a claim which can be verified at the end of each year. As with EVERY solar plant, the actual generation NEVER lives up to the modelled claim, NEVER. 29%. I cannot recall ever seeing a PV plant with this high a CF claim.

      Let’s actually pretend that this solar plant actually does generate at that rate.

      145GWH of delivered power each YEAR. You know, the same amount of power delivered by Bayswater with all 4 units running in, umm, 54 HOURS.

      And hey, the solar plant only cost, well, who cares, but they did get a $102 Million grant, a flat out gift from ARENA, and a debt agreement with the CEFC.

      These plants are boutique, costly, far too complex, have too many losses, and deliver marginal at best power, and while they might deliver some power across daylight hours, that (claimed) 30% CF means that power delivery on a yearly average is only for 7.2 hours, around three and a half hours either side of Midday.

      Tony.

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        Greebo

        And Tony, I imagine the claimed output of this site is at “peak” efficiency. How often can that be realistically achieved? Gets pretty dusty around Moree.

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    read all:

    31 Mar: Bloomberg: Brian Eckhouse: How Wall Street’s Favorite Solar Company Spent Itself to the Brink
    SunEdison facing potential technical defaults Wednesday
    Top renewable developer `began to drink their own Kool-Aid’
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-30/the-2-6-billion-buying-binge-that-felled-solar-giant-sunedison

    30 Mar: WSJ: Peg Brickley: Abengoa’s U.S. Units Seek Bankruptcy Protection As Talks Continue
    Chapter 11 filings include more than a dozen entities involved in the company’s U.S. operations
    Some of Abengoa’s U.S. units are already under chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in Missouri…READ ON
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/abengoas-u-s-units-seek-bankruptcy-protection-as-talks-continue-1459343374

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      Rod Stuart

      This is straight out of the Agenda 21 playbook.
      Increase the cost of energy and then destroy any feasible alternatives.
      This is grounds for a revolution of some sort.

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    pat

    31 Mar: Reuters: Jennifer Ablan: Appaloosa calls for removal of SunEdison’s TerraForm execs
    Billionaire David Tepper’s Appaloosa Management is seeking to overhaul TerraForm Power Inc’s (TERP.O) Conflicts Committee, claiming the company’s controlling shareholder SunEdison Inc (SUNE.N) has breached its fiduciary duties.
    In an amended lawsuit filed on Tuesday in Delaware Chancery Court, Appaloosa said SunEdison and various TerraForm directors dismantled TerraForm’s corporate governance and Conflicts Committee, replacing it with a “sham committee” to enable SunEdison to take advantage of TerraForm and stockholders “at will.”…
    Funds affiliated with Appaloosa together owned 9.5 percent of the outstanding class A shares of TerraForm as of December…READ ALL
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sunedison-appaloosa-idUSKCN0WW2MM

    31 Mar: The Hindu: SunEdison bankruptcy risk casts solar shadow
    by G. Balachandar
    The escalating fears of a possible bankruptcy at U.S. solar company SunEdison have cast a shadow in India. Industry representatives and analysts are concerned that the trickle down impact on its Indian arm may drag down the pace of growth in the solar energy sector.
    The U.S solar firm has not only a huge pipeline of solar projects in the country, but has also committed huge investments. The company is also known for its aggressive bidding on solar projects. In fact, this aggression is also cited as the principal reason for solar tariffs falling below Rs.5 per kWh. “Their pipeline was very big. They thought that the projects they were developing or buying from outside could be sold” to TerraForm, a renewable energy consultant told The Hindu on the condition of anonymity. “As long as you keep rotating the money, it is fine. If something stops, all the problems shoot up. With the fall of its arm, SunEdison is in trouble, and it will definitely have an impact on Indian business,” he said. It is also gleaned from sources that none of the projects that are bid below Rs.5 in the solar segment have achieved financial closure as yet…READ ALL
    http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/sunedison-bankruptcy-risk-casts-solar-shadow/article8414577.ece

    one reader comments & disagrees:

    30 Mar: GuruFocus: SolarCity Is the Next SunEdison
    Lack of profitability and growing expenses make SolarCity’s business model unsustainable
    http://www.gurufocus.com/news/403596/solarcity-is-the-next-sunedison

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    30 Mar: SeekingAlpha: SunEdison: The Coup De Grace (The Killing Blow)
    Summary
    •SunEdison’s swap of $336 Exchangeable Notes for Project Equity with Madison Dearborn et al is in jeopardy of failing.
    •April 1st, Madison Dearborn et al have the right to terminate the swap for solar projects in Hawaii and California that have not closed by that date.
    •The Exchangeable Notes associated with these terminated swap projects would be due within 20 days. Failure to pay these Exchangeable Notes would accelerate the deferred earn out payments.
    •SunEdison may therefore face approximately $300 million in liabilities due and payable to Madison Dearborn et al on or after April 21st.
    •LC Facility and Second Lien Financing Indentures and the severe lack of liquidity leave SunEdison with little flexibility to deal with this potential liability…READ ON
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/3962083-sunedison-coup-de-grace-killing-blow

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    31 Mar: SMH: Origin Energy to buy swathe of solar power output
    by Angela Macdonald-Smith
    Origin Energy has signed up for its first ever contract to purchase electricity from a large-scale solar project in a further sign that the renewable energy sector is coming back to life after being effectively stalled over the past few years…
    Infigen Energy managing director Miles George noted in February that the contract market, which he said was “dead” 12 months ago, was “now stirring”. Alinta Energy, Ergon Energy and Synergy are among retailers that have issued tenders for renewable power purchase contracts…
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/energy/origin-energy-to-buy-swathe-of-solar-power-output-20160330-gnup9k.html

    ***have not found a single article by Fairfax on the financial woes of Abengoa or Sunedison.

    did a search on ABC’s homepage and got nil results (i limited Abengoa to “past 6 months” as there was naturally positive reporting earlier).
    this is precisely what i got from my ABC searches:

    Did you mean: sandison?

    Did you mean: dabengwa?

    the only “carbon fraud” piece i found in an ABC search was an article about the VAT/Carousel fraud in 2009.

    as for ABC/Fairfax coverage of the many wind farm protests in UK/US, many of them on environmental grounds…forget it.

    ABC/Fairfax do not do journalism. they do propaganda.

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    crakar24

    In reality the war on terror is no different to a war on climate change, you cannot declare war on a tactic and expect to win just like you cant declare war on the weather Kanute proved that.

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    Greebo

    I wonder what the USN will do with all the Nuke aircraft carriers when the planes can’t fly?

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    RogueElement451

    Rangers team 1 red leader ” Be careful at your 6 ,it looks like the thermometer is about to explode”
    Rangers team 2 blue leader “STFU!”

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