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…. Grand Final game in Australia today.

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    Well, it’s hot, so global warming must be real.

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    Oksanna

    .

    Our Keg They’re Drainin’ Fast

    As we all drink aroun’ the campfire
    in the Land of the Green and Gold
    We call it The Lucky Country
    But has Australia been clean bowled?

    They can’t secure our national borders
    What’s the next swan song?
    Will they replace the Aussie Flag
    Or change marriage before too long?

    Takin’ religion outta Christmas
    and no more chaplains in school.
    Clampin’ down on free speech
    Political correctness is the rule.
    ————————-
    And… all our descendants
    When they look back will they recall
    How we took our forebears’ hard-won future
    And pissed it up against the wall?

    We mob need to stick together
    For the sake of First and last.
    They seek to divide and conquer
    And our keg they’re drainin’ fast.

    ————————
    Now… they say we’ve wrecked the climate
    And have to pay the government.
    But the world was always changin’
    Long afore the schemes o’ mice ‘n’ men.

    They… wanna change our behaviour
    Try to make us take their point of view
    And don’t you give ‘em the knock back
    Coz they know better… than what you do.

    You… can’t get it off your chest
    For they will surely take offense
    Hell, I wanna spit the dummy
    Hadda gutful o’ this nonsense.
    ———————–
    Yeah, but… …all our descendants
    When they look back will they recall
    How we took our forebears’ hard-won future
    And pissed it up against the wall?

    We mob need to stick together
    And put the question…Why…
    they seek to divide and conquer?
    And our keg, they sculled it dry.

    They seek to divide and conquer
    But we’ve kept our powder dry.

    …interpretation by Oksanna Zoschenko, an Australian tribute to Mike Diamond’s “Our Freedom’s Fadin Fast”.

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    handjive

    “The United States or China or Tuvalu, to choose a tiny little economy – none of them are doing this to save the planet.

    Maybe it surprises you that I say that,” Figueres, the Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, told CBS News in an exclusive interview.

    “Let’s be realistic here,” she continued.

    “All of these countries are putting their best foot forward because they understand it’s good for their economies.

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      Ross

      Interesting handjive

      Not sure how to interpret this. Is this Figueres almost waving the white flag on the “science debate” and confirming other statements she has made that it is all about financial redistribution ? Or is she deliberately confusing the discussion so the public will just get even more disinterested and the bureaucrats will be able to do what they like?
      It would be a good quote to put in from of your Mr Hunt.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        She is, “deliberately confusing the discussion so the public will just get even more disinterested and the bureaucrats will be able to do what they like.”

        You are spot on the money, Ross. Spend it while you can. She is using magicians tricks, to stop the public from seeing the sleight of hand that empties their bank accounts.

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      Roy Hogue

      Re the United States: I don’t believe it no matter how you interpret it. She’s got her own motive for every last word and it isn’t for the benefit of anyone but her and the cause of world wide government from New York City’s East Riverbank, home of the UN.

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    Climate Heretic

    I’m not watching the AFL as the Swannies are not in it. I have been reading Climate Change the Facts instead.

    Regards
    Climate Heretic
    PS I know get a life

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      Yonniestone

      So a poofteenth over the homogenised average for 4 days straight is an ominous sign of things to come?

      When the real crap hits the fan I want NONE of these people anywhere near me, they attract stupid like free to air TV.

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      bobl

      Dennis,
      Yes, four days FORECAST over just 30 degrees, not 40 degrees or anything that might be termed hot and suddenly it’s unprecedented (I note in the report – unprecedented since the last few times it happened). Not that they even wait for it to actually happen or anything, unprecedented heatwave forecasts are easy. Then they carry on about 17 of 26 el-ninos being dry well duh, el-nino on the east coast causes dry weather, and cyclones (from the warm ocean) whether it’s dry or wet depends on where the cyclones go. EL-Ninos are dry in Australia except when theyre not, it used to be called weather.

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    James Bradley

    Healthy human body temperature averages 98.6F or 37C. This has been recorded since thermometers were invented in about 1714 and has never changed with modern humans still averaging 98.6F or 37C.

    Why is it that historic meteorological temperature data requires adjusting while historical medical temperature data doesn’t?

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      Dennis

      There is no gravy train claiming body warming?

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        bobl

        What an oversight, geez, I am sure I can get a paper up claiming CO2 did it, after all the CO2 you exhale is so much hotter than the O2 you inhale, anomolous CO2 warming of the body due to the devastating radiative properties of CO2 surely!

        Now, where’s that grant cheque?

        /sarc (should anybody seriously think I was serious, and don’t call me shirley)

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        Yonniestone

        Depends on what part of the tract the gravy’s temperature is taken….usually the Caboose….

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      David Maddison

      Very good point James. Body temperature is a very good known reference point over the last 301 years suggesting thermometers were reasonably accurate back in the day.

      Also, here is an article on the metrology of thermometers. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/22/the-metrology-of-thermometers/

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        David,

        I think you might find that the agreed period is 300 years. The first year was, and still is, debatable – lack of reference standards, and all that.

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      Another Ian

      James

      I hope Jo and Jennifer and others of that ilk take up that observation!

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        James Bradley

        I did post similar at Jennifer Marohasy yesterday.

        Just struck me as odd that there should be so many discrepancies in historical meteorological temperature data yet none in medical temperature data – obviously average normal human temperature is a constant with modern medical temperature measurement validating historical medical temperature measurement.

        So how does the BOM justify its adjustments to historical temperature data again?

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          Another Ian

          James

          Gordon Lightfoot

          “And they talked about the weather

          98.6 and rising down by Boulder Dam this night”

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          Manfred

          A considerable range exists in body temperature, whether it is measured, axillary, oral, rectal, forehead, tympanic.
          An average is just that. But you know this. Without the standard deviation and range, it is as all ‘averages’ are, deprived of true ‘context’.
          Quibbling about a fraction of a tenth of a degree when considering global mean temperature stated with SD and range, almost immediately renders the discussion pointless.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            Yeah, but yer normal bloke who don’t know much about this sciency stuff don’t get that. And what is this, with measuring the temperature of drums?

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      Roy Hogue

      According to my doctor and my own temperature reading, almost no one has a temp of 98.6 °F. So maybe the medical profession needs to homogenize their temperature database too? Maybe it would turn out that we’re all really at 99° or 97°. And there goes another applecart, totally upset and unbelievable. ;-)

      Oh! Wait a minute. They already did the averaging trick. They just don’t try to hide it. :-)

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    Dennis

    Does daylight savings result in daylight robberies?

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      bobl

      Yes, by the time you are finished saving your daylight (in April) the days are shorter, someone must be stealing the daylight, or maybe all those people putting the daylight under their pillows shortens the days.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Absolutly. Gangs of yobs, going around, beating the daylights out of their victims. I don’t know what the world is coming to …

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    Carbon500

    I’ve just thought of a new scam. It’s the discovery of the century, and will make a lot of people rich.
    Here goes:
    The changing seasons on our planet are controlled by CO2.
    Yes, really – 97% of my friends agree with me – so can I have my government grant money to investigate this threat now please?

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    Ho Hum! Who cares?

    (hat tip to pat for the link)

    So, in the lead up to Paris, and the last chance we’ll all be rooned final frightening probability of certain extinction from CO2 emissions induced climate change/global warming, a total of 192 Nations will meet in Paris to decide our future.

    192 of them, plus observer Countries as well.

    192.

    The deadline has passed for Countries to commit to what they will be doing to prevent this absolute catastrophe.

    192 Countries asked to commit, hand on heart.

    Ho Hum! Who cares.

    50 Countries missed the deadline.

    That’s a quarter of them, comprising 10% of all the emissions.

    Doesn’t matter though. They’ve got the targets to commit, those 23 Developed Countries who will foot the whole bill, every dollar.

    I wonder how many of those 50 Countries will still be holding out their hands looking for the largesse.

    And to think that they only want $5 Trillion.

    Hmm! Just imagine. A billion could go missing and no one would ever notice, because, after all, that Billion is only 0.02% of the total.

    A lot of Third World dictators leaders are going to get very very rich from all this.

    Makes you proud to be a concerned citizen looking after your fellow man, eh.

    Tony.

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      AndyG55

      Just posted on Tony’s Climate Home link..

      I BET it doesn’t get published

      http://s19.postimg.org/yzluuhstv/On_Climate_Home.jpg

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      Peter C

      Did Australia miss the deadline? The article only mentioned 10 countries.

      Malcolm Turnbull and Julie Bishop seem determined to sell out our country! I am pretty sure we are already stitched up and committed. It should be treason and perhaps it is treason.

      I can’t even understand why? I don’t think it is about the science anymore. In some ways I think that we passed that point about 18 months ago.

      Not sure how to re invigorate this battle for individual rights.

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    Climate Heretic

    Hawthorn won, for those who care.

    Regards
    Climate Heretic

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      bobl

      Sorry, I don’t, I’m just a despondent Carlton supporter wishing the fall from greatness would finally come to a end, with a new, Big Nick or Jezza.
      (Showing my age I thimk)

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      Yonniestone

      Hey you do have a life! :)

      But I still don’t care also.

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      Climate Heretic

      As much as I do not like footy. I have been reading about the AFL to find out how many premierships the hawks have won in a row. They finally have the trifecta.

      Collingwood is the only team to win 4 premierships in a row. I wonder what record the Hawks will be going for in the 2016 AFL season?

      Regards
      Climate Heretic

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      Annie

      I can’t say I do, in all honesty! I am glad others can enjoy it though.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Funny game, AFL. It is like watching a Polo match, but without the horses.

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    Alfred

    2Sam 22:2-3 2 And he said , The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer ;
    3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust : he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour ; thou savest me from violence.

    Ps. 18:2 2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer ; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust ; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

    Ps. 71:3 3 Be thou my strong habitation, whereunto I may continually resort : thou hast given commandment to save me; for thou art my rock and my fortress.

    Ps. 91:2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust .

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    (warning – sarcasm alert)

    Betting on the final statement from Paris.

    From this day forward, there will be no more construction of any coal fired power plants, anywhere, and within five years all coal fired and natural gas fired plants must close.

    A million to one!

    Tony.

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      Well, actually, it’s 5 trillion to one, because without those power plants, then there goes all their money, eh!

      See now why they’ll never be closing.

      Tony.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        Without a grid of syncronised spinning turbines, how do you get a standard fifty hertz (or 60 cycles, for our American friends) reference signal, that is used by all sorts of syncronised electronics, from alarm clocks, to international Air Traffic Control systems?

        Curious people would like to know.

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          Graeme No.3

          Yes, and how do they get the right phase? With the wrong phase those turbines will become large electric fans.

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            ghl

            They are 3 phase, so there is a 50% chance they will run backwards every time we adjust for daylight saving and they lose sync.

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    AndyG55

    Go India ! https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/indias-climate-plan-will-triple-emissions-by-2030/

    Go Holland https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/netherlands-massively-increasing-their-coal-capacity/

    Go Germany (continuing to grow their lignite burning)

    Go Japan (43 new coal fired plants planned)

    Go Turkey…. http://www.euractiv.com/sections/energy/turkey-double-coal-capacity-four-years-314706

    Go China (massive increase for at least another 15 years ,, with Obama approval)

    Go Indonesia (just over taken Australia in coal production in 2013)

    and many, many, many others.

    PLENTY OF CO2 FOR ALL THE WORLD”S PLANT LIFE. :-) :-)

    Come on America, UK, Australia.. start pulling your weight.. or be left behind (economically, anyway)

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      AndyG55

      ps.. anyone cares to add to the list.. feel free. :-)

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        KinkyKeith

        Vietnam’s fuel mix for electricity includes:

        Coal. In 2014, annual coal consumption was 19.1 million tons, a 21% increase over 2013. Coal consumption has continued to increase in 2015 as unseasonably hot weather contributed to a decline in hydropower generation. Vietnam is still in the process of developing its coal-mining sector and must import relatively higher-priced coal. State-owned PetroVietnam (PV) is seeking to purchase 11 million tons of coal per year starting in 2017 to supply Vietnam’s domestic power industry.

        http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=22332

        KK

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          AndyG55

          Thanks KK..

          I aim to create a list I can cut-paste to run in the face of every AGW climate troll :-)

          I know that several African countries are also starting to expand their fossil fuel use, but I have limited time for searching links.

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            KinkyKeith

            On the road out of Saigon going East you pass mile after mile of industrial activity.

            Many of the factories are making stuff familiar to western shoppers but no longer made in their home countries.

            Some time ago, China, a low cost producer, was subcontracting manufacturing out to VN.

            Australia is lost politically with politicians giving people what they want to hear and borrowing enough money to make it happen at least until their term in office finishes.

            Then we start paying the debt off.

            Except that the next lot in does the same thing.

            Bottom line is VN needs more power output.

            45 million people in 74 when I first went there and now over 90 million.

            KK

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      Yonniestone

      Kazakhstan, In 2013, the country produced 93.76 billion kWH – 70 billion kWh (81%) from coal, 8 from gas and 8 from hydro. The country has 71 power stations, including 5 hydro power plants located on the Irtysh river, which translates to total installed generating capacity of 19.6 GW. 75 per cent of electricity generated is consumed by industry, 11 per cent by households, 2 per cent by transportation.

      In 2015 according to wiki, Kazakhstan started looking for ways to use its renewable energy sources.[3] In late January 2015, an action plan was adopted on the development of renewable energy for the period of 2013 to 2020.
      On July 20, 2015 Kazakhstan Investment and Development Minister announced that the country would establish a special fund engaged in financing energy-saving programs. :(

      But wait, Kazakhstan to boost coal output to 108M tons in 2015, great success! :)

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    Climate Heretic

    Not a list per se, but overall increase in coal consumption for the world.

    Coal to reach <a href="http://www.iea.org/newsroomandevents/pressreleases/2014/december/global-coal-demand-to-reach-9-billion-tonnes-per-year-by-2019.html&quot; 9 Billion Tonnes by 2019.

    Regards
    Climate Heretic

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    Climate Heretic

    Sorry I stuffed up the correct link is:

    Coal to reach 9 Billion tonnes

    Regards
    Climate Heretic

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    Peter Crawford

    “…Grand Final day in Australia today”

    As an inhabitant of Old North Wales I had to put inordinate strain on my mouse-clicking finger to find out what that meant. I’m thinking of suing:)

    The big sporting event that has us all agog here in Blighty is the Rugby Union World Cup clash between England and Australia. At 20.00 hrs BST (or Normal Time as I prefer to call it) the two teams take to the field and if it’s half as good a game as England (25)v Wales (28) was then we are in for a treat.

    My dictionary defines Australian Rules football thus:” a large gang of big blokes hurling themselves against another large gang of big blokes in a vain attempt to avoid permanent brain damage”. Is this correct?

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      Yonniestone

      Mostly correct, however the brain damage is a pre-existing condition due to heavy drug and alcohol consumption.

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      Another Ian

      Then on the other hand there are those who worked out that heads were for thinking and not for ploughing paddocks.

      I’m not sure where the CAGW-ers fit on that scale

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    Barry

    Crunched the numbers on Grand Final Max temperatures. Trend is 0.

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      Rick Will

      If you seasonally adjust for the date of the VFL/AFL grand final the trend may actually be more negative. Not certain but from what I can recall 2015 was later than most.

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    OB

    Today in the UK and France as of 1600 BST there is a combined total demand for 75 GW of electricity.
    The UK is providing 0.25GW from its wind generators and 1.75GW from its biomass burners. Unfortunately there are no separate figures for the electricity provided by the solar panels.
    France is providing 0.90 GW from its wind generators 0.70 from its biomass burners and 1.70GW from its solar panels. Total “free green” electricity amounts to 5.3 GW plus maybe another GW from the UK’s solar panels for a grand total of about 7% of demand.
    So much for the theory that if the wind is not blowing in one place it will be in another so we will not run short. When are our brilliant decision makers ever going to wake up.

    Well, just thought some one might be interested.

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      Richard111

      Lot of fog this morning and a lot of cloud this afternoon. Not ideal for solar panels here in Pembrokeshire.

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      janama

      You can always see what the current demand and supply in the UK is here:

      http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

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      Graeme No.3

      OB:
      Try Euen Means “energy matters” for a deal of information. They did a check a month or two ago on wind from Portugal to Finland; this showed up the inadequacy with it.
      There have been 2 surveys in Australia on the South Eastern grid stretching from wind farms north of Newcastle to Tasmania, and west to South Australia. This is a distance of 1550 kilometres and the States supplied are Qld. NSW, Victoria, Tasmania and South Australia. ( the UK fits into the second smallest State ( Vic.) I think that the area would stretch near to Moscow. Neither survey, even on a 5 second basis, found it possible to meet demand using only wind and solar.
      Even the Beyond Zero Carbon ( who are whacko greens ) have to concede that some thermal application was necessary.

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      Hmm! I wonder what people must think of this.

      Just on 17% of all the electrical power being generated by France is being exported to Five other European Countries.

      And it isn’t Wind Power.

      It seems that France and Germany are the, umm, auxilliary suppliers for the rest of Europe.

      And janama, thanks for the link. Saved.

      Tony.

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        ianl8888

        More to the point, the current leftoid French President is constantly talking about closing their nuclear power stations down

        Complete chaos …

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    el gordo

    ‘James Hansen limited his research and climate models to human causes of climate change. He produced two projections that argued CO2 would continue to increase. In doing so, he predetermined the outcome.

    ‘He confirmed his hypothesis that continued human production would cause global warming, but only in the models. However, apparently driven by his political agenda, he had to convince politicians that a reduction in CO2 output would solve the problem. To do this, he ran his model to show what happens with no CO2 increase.

    ‘It produced a curve that fits the actual temperature trend in the intervening 27 years. This is the result you expect if you accept the null hypothesis that CO2 from any source is not causing global warming. Thanks, Jim, enjoy your retirement.’

    Dr Tim Ball

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    Random Comment

    For those who missed it, on Thursday 4th October 2015 The Australian newspaper published an opinion piece by Peter McAllister regarding opposition to the planned Australian Consensus Centre to be run by Bjorn Lomborg at Flinders University in South Australia.

    Reverse the closing of the Australian mind
    The organisers of the open letter demanding Flinders University spurn the government’s proposed $4 million Australian Consensus Centre, run by Bjorn Lomborg, probably see it as a triumph — 7000 signatures surely constitute unanimous rejection? Actually, it’s a severe embarrassment. If no Flinders academic other than the vice-chancellor can tolerate rational dissent (as they couldn’t at University of Western Australia) then the Australian academy’s pretensions to free thought are surely fraud. It’s also old hat; Allan Bloom first pinged such intellectually arid conformity, masquerading as righteousness, almost 30 years ago in The Closing of the American Mind.
    Does Lomborg’s proposed centre deserve its anathematisation? It’s hard to see how. The proposal is political? Shocking; a democratically elected government has a policy interest in rational research on a vital issue of the day. It lacks credibility? The involvement of several Nobel prizewinners says otherwise. Lomborg’s methodology has been criticised? That’s never happened before in legitimate academic debate, has it?
    The real problem seems to be Lomborg is a noxious, heretical weed in an otherwise happy monoculture. But if that’s true it raises the question: why would universities willingly abandon their mission of defending diversity in critical thought? Why would they happily turn themselves into such intellectual dead zones?
    Bloom, a philosophy professor at Cornell University, thought there were two reasons (in his day, 1960s and 70s America, Lomborg might well have been driven off campus with guns and clubs). The first was the peculiar paradox inherent in democracy: that though it is the freest of political systems it is also surprisingly inhospitable to intellectual dissent. The second, related, reason was universities’ inability to defend their traditional role as havens of that dissent when they transitioned, during the 20th century, from elite to mass teaching institutions.
    {snip]
    Bloom, building on de Tocqueville’s work, thought this intolerance of alternative views arose because majority opinion was the ultimate, and only, source of moral authority in democracies (as opposed to monarchies, where God and/or noble birthright gave thinkers the self-confidence to dare to think contrary thoughts). Democracies thus intimidate and delegitimise dissent because they make it look immoral. Rational dissent, he said, was particularly likely to be seen as moral treason because it made a point of refusing to be swayed by (that is, to serve) democratic society’s passions. Socrates, for example, was executed as a traitor partly because of his stubborn, rational defence of Athens’ military generals, whom the enraged Athenian assembly wanted to, and did, put to death.
    In the first decades after democracy’s 19th-century triumph, Western universities had conscientiously protected rational, independent thought from democracy’s moralising, dissent-flattening power. They were intimidated into abandoning that role, however, by the huge influx of new students as higher education opened up in the 20th century
    [SNIP for copyright ]

    [See The AUstralian "reverse the closing of the mind” and also http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/bjorn-lomborg-centre-a-matter-ofprinciple/story-e6frgcjx-1227552946446 – Thanks – Jo

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      David-of-Cooyal in Oz

      G’day R C. There’s something wrong in your date reference. Today is Sunday 4th October 2015, not Thursday. (And the Oz os behind a paywall to me, so I can’t offer a correction for you.)
      Cheers,
      Dave B

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    OB

    Thanks Janama and Graeme No.3. I’ll be looking into Euen Means “energy matters”. I should have mentioned that my source is the gridwatch Templar one. The data are good for the UK but there are a few glitches in that for France and in particular that for about Sep 14/15 2015 and again sometime in April 2015. Look forward to reading Jo’s site every day and the comments; they have taught this old man a lot.

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    Unmentionable

    OK sci-geeks, important information has come to hand, Johnathan Thurston put it through the posts for a Townsville Cowboys NRL Premiership win! :D

    [Sorry, I realize this is exciting, but it's off topic so high on the science thread. Forgive me for shifting it to here. -- Jo]

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    Unmentionable

    Sorry Jo, I wasn’t thinking straight, cheers! :D

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    “President Barack Obama has declared an emergency in South Carolina, authorizing federal aid…”

    A slow-moving storm has doused the area and, the weather service said that it will result in “potentially historic” rainfall and “catastrophic flash flooding” overnight into Monday in Berkeley County

    In Charleston, people paddled kayaks and canoes , as more than 6 inches of rain fell in downtown on Saturday and Mayor Joseph Riley Jr. declared “What we’re experiencing is an unprecedented event”

    CNN meteorologist Michael Guy said “Life-threatening rip currents, high surf and coastal flooding, mainly at high tides, will stretch nearly the entire eastern U.S. coast,” and Wind gusts could reach 30 mph and could topple trees.

    30 mph winds ?
    6 inches of rain ?

    ooooh scary :o

    and if you are wondering about Hurricane Joaquin , “Its Global Warming pen ran out of climatic ink”

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      Roy Hogue

      They always make it sound like nothing that severe has ever happened — never in the whole history of the Earth has there ever been such a storm.

      It goes the same way with the California drought — unprecedented… …and it is as far as recorded weather records can tell. But it takes unprecedented hubris to make it sound like something that has never happened before. Humans have been keeping records of things for so small a percentage of the life of this planet that it’s a joke to call those records so authoritative as to be able to call a storm or a drought unprecedented.

      I get really ticked off at such nonsense. :-(

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        Roy Hogue

        And if a 30 MPH gust can topple a tree it’s not much of a tree.

        In Saigon I saw rain fall so heavily that I couldn’t see the latrines not more than 30 feet in front of me. I’ve seen it rain that hard and the wind so strong that it was coming down nearly horizontally. It went right through the screen and louvers at the end of my barrack and put a puddle in the middle of the two bunks closest to that end, both a good 3 feet from the screen. The company area had concrete drainage ditches 3 feet wide and 2 feet deep at their shallowest part. More than once I saw those go from bone dry to overflowing in less than 15 minutes.

        Send these “weathermen” to Saigon for the wet season and they’ll actually learn something about wet weather.

        Why are we such crybabies?

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        Roy Hogue

        I don’t want to belittle the problems that 6 inches of rain can cause. It can be a big deal. But wait a minute here. Learn to cope with it, not complain about it.

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    Here’s a link to a petition against wind farms in the Yass Valley district – please join in and share in your networks

    Thanks
    Concerned farmers & residents
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    The Petition of residents and concerned citizens of Yass Valley Council, Upper Lachlan Council and Boorowa Council areas, together with citizens of Australia, brings to the attention of the House their concerns about the construction of Wind Farms in the NSW Southern Tablelands and South West Slopes which pose negative impacts on the

    natural environment (including bushland degradation and water consumption during construction), which includes habitat for endangered Superb Parrot and Southern Pygmy Perch as well as potential impacts on threatened, and migratory and regional populations of at-risk species;

    personal health of individual residents, business employees and members of the community including schools, as health issues are still under consideration;

    visual amenity for individuals and communities, as well as detracting potential new land owners from the area; background noise for individual residents, business workers and community facilities including schools;

    financial future of landowners who may experience difficulty in securing finance for further purchase or difficulty achieving sale of current property at pre-turbine rate;

    tourism growth of the region, and at specific tourist venues within view of turbines; effective bushfire defence of property by aircraft.
    Industrial Turbine Facilities are not “farms”, are incompatible with the rural character, land use and economic value of the area.

    Current Environmental Assessments supplied do not contain specific details of turbine specifications and placement and developers will not adhere to the recommended 2km setbacks advised in documentation.

    Rye Park Action Group

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