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Which countries will survive climate change?

Great news for Australians, Scandinavias, Greenlanders, Poms, and New Zealanders:  all the headlines about how your home will be the hardest hit were wrong. Instead, your real estate will be the most valuable on Earth and everyone will want to visit you.

Thank The Guardian for its restrained headline:  Countries most and least likely to survive the effects of climate change . Study source: Diply

I expect you will all be relieved. Especially after the fear you felt reading “hardest hit” headlines like these:

“Rural Australians hardest hit by climate change”

“Sydney’s urban areas to be hit hardest by global warming”

“Predictions Australia will be hardest hit by climate change”

Greenland hardest hit by climate change

“…climate change is likely to have the strongest impact on Scandinavian countries such as Denmark, Norway and Sweden.”

Climate change is faster and more severe in the Arctic than in most of the rest of the world”

– Thanks to ClimateChangePredictions  and Tom Nelson’s hardest hit list.

The original map on Diply also has a “least at risk” category, helpfully colored black and applied to no country. That figures, nowhere is “least at risk” for climate change. Perhaps that category is for the moon? (But not Jupiter, Mars or Pluto, don’t move there.)

But after the relief comes the guilt

You, lucky sods in rich nations, caused the problem and now you must pay. But of course, that penance money doesn’t go to poor farmers or businesses in Africa directly, it goes straight to the UN where convoys of bureaucrats make a good living. (Dare I suggest that the best way to help Africa is not with big governance payments that end up going through corrupt dictators, but with a thousand deals going straight to small businesses? Bring on free trade.)

What Africa desperately needs is cheap energy to run fridges, cook dinner, clean water, and transport fresh food. Not more bureaucrats, money-hungry-windmills, and not sea-walls to hold back a 1mm a year sea level rise.

The top 10 most likely to cope

1. Norway

2. New Zealand

3. Sweden

4. Finland

5. Denmark

6. Australia

7. United Kingdom

8. United States

9. Germany

10. Iceland

The solution always involves money being transferred through “world leaders”:

“With climate change described as one of the greatest challenges of our time, the impacts of destructive changes in temperature, rainfall and agriculture will affect every country. These findings highlight the need for richer, more technologically advanced nations to help less developed countries,” said Whiting.

“Ultimately there will be no winners from the effects of climate change, every country will be impacted in some way. Just how much depends on the decisions made now by world leaders.

 In terms of media and marketing, this “who will survive” article is there to instill guilt. Other headlines about how (insert your location) is going to be “hardest hit” are there to instill fear. (If only there were media articles trying to “provide information”.) Still we can always point out the hypocrisy when the guilt game conflicts with the fear.

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    Victor Ramirez

    How high is the survival bar?

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      aussieguy

      Look how they come up with the numbers…

      For this purpose, a team at the University of Notre Dame in the US has created the ND-Gain Index, based on data collected since 1995 measuring 192 UN countries according to two variables – vulnerability to the effects of climate change and readiness to adapt. This map, created by renewable energy comparison group, Eco Experts, is a visualisation of that data.

      From their own page…
      => http://index.gain.org/about

      Two Key Dimensions to Adapt


      Vulnerability

      Vulnerability measures a country’s exposure, sensitivity and capacity to adapt to the negative effects of climate change. ND-GAIN measures overall vulnerability by considering six life-supporting sectors – food, water, health, ecosystem service, human habitat, and infrastructure.

      Readiness


      Readiness measures a country’s ability to leverage investments and convert them to adaptation actions. ND-GAIN measures overall readiness by considering three components – economic readiness, governance readiness and social readiness.

      ND-GAIN

      ND-GAIN is computed through the following formula:

      (Readiness index – Vulnerability index + 1)x50 = ND-GAIN


      Their methodology can be found here…
      => http://index.gain.org/about/methodology



      When it comes to such “studies”, I always look at the mission or goal of the people doing it. Mainly because I want to know what their real intention is!

      => http://www.nd-gain.org/who-we-are

      Our Mission

      ND-GAIN, part of the Climate Change Adaptation program of the University of Notre Dame Environmental Change Initiative, is focused on building resilience to climate change as a key component to better prepare humans and their environment for the coming century. Our mission is to enhance the world’s understanding of the importance of adaptation and facilitate private and public investments in vulnerable communities. The Index moved to the University of Notre Dame in April 2013.

      The University of Notre Dame Environmental Change Initiative

      The University of Notre Dame Environmental Change Initiative (ND-ECI), tackles the interrelated problems of invasive species, land use, and climate change, focusing on their synergistic impacts on water resources. ND-ECI strives to provide solutions that minimize the trade-offs between human welfare and environmental health where trade-offs are unavoidable, and to discover win-win solutions where they are possible. With approximately 40 affiliated faculty members who have a wide array of expertise, ND-ECI embodies the vision of “science serving society,” in which scholars from science, engineering, social sciences, humanities and policy contribute objective analysis, motivated by a passionate commitment to translational research, that serves nature and humans.


      Look at the language! => “win-win solutions”; “synergistic impacts”; “science serving society”; “translational research” …Don’t these buzz-words make you feel warm and tinglingly!

      If you look at their Leadership & Staff; it honestly looks like a bunch of academic-activists and do-gooders, posing as some academic authority (through their “studies”).

      And if you scroll down further, you can see they are funded by Natural Gas Partners.

      Digging around, it seems to indicate they are an investment firm that focuses on energy. Ironically, in oil and natural gas (in USA, Canada, etc). We’re talking about drilling, pipelines, etc.

      Interestingly enough, their CEO has a wikipedia entry.
      => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_A._Hersh

      The only potential red flag about him is that we was the president of the “Wind Energy Club” in high school.


      So it seems a pretty profitable energy investment firm has funded an academic Climate Change dept in a university (Notre Dame); to push out “studies” in order to advocate Climate Change guilt?

      What does the investment firm get out of it? To cover their own asses of investing billions and decades funding oil companies!
      (This is ironic! Because pro-warmists say skeptics and denialists are funded by oil companies, when in reality, they themselves are funded by investment firms who profit from ‘big oil’! Hypocrisy at its finest!)



      Side note:

      Translational research?
      => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translational_research
      …It smells dodgy. The “lazy science” kind.

      Effectively, the more you dig into the background of promoters of Climate Change, the more one realises its just one big sham to push the public in a direction. Backed by very rich folks and organisations, promoted by academic-activists who couldn’t get a job in the real world. (This is why they’ve got those job titles/positions that seem flaky to anyone with common sense)…Not to mention they butcher the English language with their own nonsensical vocabulary. (aka: Bull$hit Bingo)

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        ianl8888

        This post is worth reading – well done

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        sophocles

        I’ll two T-shirts with that, please. Any hats?

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        RobertBobbert GDQ

        Another smash hit research fiasco from Klymit Klown Centrale Excellente Fabuloso Stupidoso.
        The College of;
        The Infallibility.
        The Settled Science
        The ScamParExcellence.

        Absolute TopGun Work AussieGuy.

        101 out of 100 and a a truckload of Elephant Stamps and Gold Star Glitter

        Thanks for a job well done.

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        RB

        Thanks Aussieguy. Went around in circles trying to find what the numbers meant. Here is the pdf with more gobbly gook. http://index.nd-gain.org:8080/documents/methodology_2014.pdf

        All up, it comes across as kids playing with their mothers clothes. Its truly sad.

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      Bulldust

      You can see the advertising campaign already ramping up to Paris:

      http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-singled-out-as-a-climate-change-freerider-by-international-panel-20150604-ghgbde

      We are climate vandals in Australia. Keep up the good work chaps.

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      Bulldust

      O/Topic but this is a must read:

      http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/04/noaancdcs-new-pause-buster-paper-a-laughable-attempt-to-create-warming-by-adjusting-past-data/

      NOAA/NCDC have been fiddling with ocean temperatures to make the pause “disappear.” The institution needs to be closed down as anti-scientific. It has been thoroughly corrupted.

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      OriginalSteve

      How do you define “surviving climate change”?

      If they mean surviving the CAGWlocusts who would pick a productive economy clean and still leave the 3rd world as underveloped slaves, then the current forst world wont survive at all.

      The 3rd world cant go any lower, so ironically, they are the best survivors.

      “Survival” in CAGW speak means dirt poor and not enough to eat….

      Let them eat cake, huh?

      Ironically, those perpetrating the CAGW scam should be very worried once the mug punters realise whats been done to them….I doubt short of shooting anyone who comes within a 500m radius of their bunkers , they will survive.

      Interesting times ahead….

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      ROM

      Apologies for the late off topic comment and being placed so high in the list.

      For interested lurkers and others, the highly readable one and two liner quite sardonic comments and very considerable bantering below from the whole gamut of Jo’s regular commenters are well worth scanning as so many of the one and two liners below gives one many a belly laugh and a quite amusing and quite comprehensive take down of the selfie enhancing gravitas that the so called climate scientists and researchers use, they think, to represent themselves as “scientists” [ ?? ]

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      Jon

      Marxism turning into a international doomsday cult? Like Christianity they try to make us conform with stories of the Big imagine sins and threat from our selfs?

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    Neville

    Silly me I thought that many of James Lovelock’s devotees still believed that only a few breeding pairs of humans would be alive near the Arctic at the end of this century.
    Of course Lovelock grew a brain and admitted he’d been a bloody loon with his prediction and admitted his fear about CAGW was just a load of crap.

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      But if it’s ‘Global Warming Survival’, how come only the wealthy, CO2 emitting, countries will ostensibly thrive? Even more reason for third world countries to embrace coal etc.

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      Graeme No.3

      Turning the argument around, what happens if the climate cools?

      Greenland, Iceland, Canada, Scandinavia all freeze. Australia looses the monsoon up north, but the southern rain band moves north. Once again the Swan river will be flowing from hundreds of miles up north (as it once did), the Murray river will be in flood (as it once did), and wheat will be growing on the shores of Lake Eyre (as it once did) and we will be inundated with climate refugees from poor countries like Scotland, England and India.

      Let us hope that Climate Change is postponed.

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        Manfred

        Indeed. What happens if they ever reach their goal? Then what is their end game, their after match function? Will they simply…..well, disappear?

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        Hugh

        Germany is hardest hit by cagw … apostles. Wind subsidies.

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    PeterS

    The AGW scare mongering is shown to be a hoax yet they still persist. It would be more useful to study the survival rate of a killer asteroid hitting earth, or a massive CME disrupting our magnetic shield causing all sorts of problems for mankind. At least they are much more likely.

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      Safetyguy66

      Actually from a selfish POV it looks like we are “right mate”. I’m a bit surprised this even got published. Here’s granny Milne telling us we are all doomed and actually the map of who’s struggling and who’s sipping lattes doesn’t look like its going to change much if at all.

      So I guess we can switch the alarm off now then, its business as usual.

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        Annie

        Perhaps they are trying to encourage ‘climate refugees’ to invade, just to add to the numbers.

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          Safetyguy66

          They will have to get in line.

          The head of the Vietnamese refugee council of SA was on the radio recently explaining that the reason we holiday in Vietnam while its citizens are still fleeing is and I quote. “If you not friend of Communist Party, you can make no money in Vietnam. In Australia you can make money.”

          Thanks for confirming what we already knew about economic refuges.

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      el gordo

      I’m thinking along the lines of global cooling, the Indian monsoon will fail because of a quiet sun and Australia will lose its wet season.

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    Kevin Lohse

    Part of the Alarmist Creed is that Greenland will melt and drown New York and London, but Greenland is now one of the least likely areas to be affected by Thermageddon. Furthermore, Scandinavia is also least affected which would indicate that the Great Disappearing Gulf Stream Happening has been indefinitely postponed,so the east coast of the USA and Canada would be least affected also Or is it that the Blob is losing track of the alternative alarmist scenarios? Fantasies can get jumbled together unless you’re careful to record which one you are promoting at any time.

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    Glen Michel

    I think I might just throw it in and go and buy a pub out in western QLD – although I hear its so dry even the cows are farting dust.

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      toorightmate

      Very dry indeed at present.
      Only 3 years ago it was a tropical rain forest. All the glaciers near Mt Wellington in Tasmania have also disappeared in the past 3 years.
      Hottest evvvaaaahhhhh, you know.

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    Peter C

    How extraordinary,

    Not only has ” hardest hit” been replaced with “most likely to cope”, but the geographic distribution of the best off countries bears no relation to the expected climate change.

    Presumably Greenland would be better off if some of the Ice melted and cropping became possible. Greenland did not even make the list, possibly because it is part of Denmark. Canada should should be on the very top of the list, but is not.

    Australia by contrast Is supposed to be threatened by endless droughts interspersed with regular vicious cyclones, coming further south than Sydney. How is that supposed to make us the most likely to cope?

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      James Murphy

      With regards to Australia – you forgot the bushfires… we are supposed to have larger and more frequent bushfires, as well as larger and more frequent floods, cyclones, and droughts…

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        Byron

        It will be so bad that the droughts and floods will overlap most of the time so nobody will notice how bad they really are and it will require a climastrologist to explain how fossil fuel powered rainstorms are masking the effect of global warming induced droughts making it look just like really nice weather to the layman.

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          LloydWW

          Climastrologer. Climastrologist implies a scientific foundation.

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          chris y

          Byron- This is brilliant!

          I predict a novel research thrust, based on the premise that ‘normal’ climate is a superposition of phase-locked droughts and floods. Anthropogenic climate forcings cause the phase to shift, resulting in a perceived increase in the frequency of droughts and floods.

          Now I’m off to assemble the requisite preamble and task list for my research proposal…

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        Mark Hladik

        Not to nit-pick your comment (and, you, Jo, Anthony, and myself are all of a mind), but if we have a brushfire (pretty much clears everything out), caused by and exacerbated by drought, then nothing grows (because of drought), doesn’t that negate there being a ‘brush’ fire in that same region?

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      Michael Collard

      “Hardest hit” and “most likely to cope” are not mutually exclusive. Think natural disaster. A wealthy country could be both. Poor countries would be less able to cope.

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    TdeF

    Climates change. Temperatures change. Tell me again how you get man made CO2 driven climate change without any temperature change? No one has bothered to explain, but I suppose if the media repeat catch phrases, repetition becomes truth?

    I thought the “Science was in” but have not heard that phrase for years now. I hear that breathing out is now called generating ‘emissions’, each human at 1/3tonne per year. I hear that Carbon Dioxide from which all the plants are made is now ‘pollution’. I hear that it is all our fault and we should pay. What I do not hear is any news that things are actually changing and with the seas rising at a terrifying 1mm/year, I wonder why we have to pay and pay? Of course none of the major polluters have to pay a thing, because they are developing which is why we have all this Chinese made stuff at such low prices. Seems fair. After all, we are the problem.

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      I hear that breathing out is now called generating ‘emissions’, each human at 1/3tonne per year.

      Aww! Please don’t tell me that just humans breathing is generating almost 2.5 BILLION tons of CO2 each year.

      Tony.

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        Or the equivalent CO2 emissions from, umm, 125 Large scale coal fired power plants.

        Just from breathing out.

        Let’s see now, I wonder how much of a Government grant we could get for research into ways to make people breathe out on a more regulated basis.

        Athletes could be charged, umm, a Carbon Tax for breathing harder. A Carbon Tax on, err, dare I say it, having some rumpy pumpy! Gyms could be charged a Carbon Tax per head of people they have on their books. Have regulators checking the streets for illegal exercisers out walking and running. Imagine the money they could raise from the Olympic Games.

        The list is endless. The UN would be rubbing its hands with glee.

        Tony.

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          TdeF

          I always thought the two things a government could not tax were sex and breathing. I was wrong about one.

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      Manfred

      I posited years ago, reductio ad absurdum, that countries would be charged a UN CO2 emission levy on the basis of their population. In turn, the country would apply this to individuals and families, in the form of their personal carbon charge, a fee for the privilege of exhalation and therefore to merely exist.

      What faster way to potentially impact global populations.

      Sounds Orwellian I know. Doubtless some eco-bureaucrat at the UN or UNEP has produced a proposal paper on the subject or possibly a financial model.

      I can only think of its successful implementation at the sharp end of a SLR.

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    PeterPetrum

    Oh! Goodness! And we are heading off for five weeks in Provence tomorrow, and it only has a 70%+ chance of surviving. Should I cancel our trip? Actually, 28C sounds pretty good after 8C in the Blue Mountains today. I think we’ll go and take our chances.

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    Turtle

    ‘Country’s most likely…’

    The ‘eco-experts’ need to work on their grammar.

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    PeterPetrum

    The other thing about that map, apart from the misplaced apostrophe, is the fact that the risk areas have political boundaries, not geographical ones. Follow the money!

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      Leonard Lane

      Good point Peter. Since the risks follow country boundaries, guess what is coming next? Well those countries with least risk will be required to pay much, much more to the UN to help itself. Those countries at high risk, well the UN will have to set up world commissions, etc. so it will be decades before they can propose anything but world governance and world communism.
      Follow he money indeed! Is it time to cut off funding for the UN?

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        Greg Cavanagh

        Can someone provide a map showing which countries are most influenced by the UN?

        Replace the word “influenced” with “enthralled”, “bound”, “in cahoots”. I’m challenged to find the correct wording here.

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          Leonard Lane

          Co-conspirators, partners in fraud, fellow travelers on money from the Western countries, …

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        Debbie

        If the funding was cut off for all this climate catastrophe stuff…would we actually miss these particular funded departments in the UN?
        Other than mangling and mashing up mountains of climate modeling and interpreting for the media and policy …..what do they actually do?
        Who or what do they actually help?
        They receive bucket loads of tax payer funding…what’s the return on investment for the tax payers?

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    Rollo

    “Even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and river systems,”

    wombat meister 2007, in case anyone has forgotten.

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      TdeF

      That was a truly extraordinary statement. Perhaps only matched by Primary School PE teacher and Premier Steve Bracks who said that “Dams don’t make water”. At least one did not pretend to be a scientist.

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    Carbon500

    I’ve always said to the doom-mongers that they should come to the UK to live, because the Central England Temperature Record (CET) shows that our temperature hasn’t varied much since the mid-1600s.
    “Ah, but that’s the UK – it’s not global, it it?” is the usual predictable reply. This always tells me that the ‘warmers’ having difficulty demonstrating climatic meltdown from the CET data.
    At last, I’m vindicated – come to the UK if you want to survive, I’ve been right all along!

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      Ross

      The problem with the UK, Carbon500 is not the climate changing,(it will continue to do so like it has for thousands of years) it is the response of the UK politicians to the propaganda and so when I looked at the list the cynical side of me asked how could the UK be so high up.
      The energy policies the UK has been following will, if not stopped or altered, lead to huge energy issues. It will not be alone in this as a few others on that list are going the same way.

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        Carbon500

        Agreed entirely regarding the UK’s energy provision, Ross. It would be interesting if a few of the engineers involved in supplying power over here would speak up over the whole issue, but I haven’t seen anything in the newspapers or on a blog anywhere.

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    Ian H

    Isn’t the Sahel Greening at the moment? Why then is it marked as being at risk. And isn’t warming supposed to predominantly occur in the arctic. So why are the at risk areas mostly in tropical Africa? This looks more like a political map of countries somebody just wants to throw money at.

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    pat

    the CAGW scam is not doing too well!

    4 June: Bloomberg: Matthew Carr: World Bank Carbon-Market Push Facing Developing-Nation Suspicion
    The World Bank is working to overcome poorer nations’ suspicions about putting a price on carbon emissions as it seeks to expand greenhouse-gas trading internationally, according to the lender’s special climate-change envoy.
    While charging for carbon is seen by developed countries as a way to fund emissions cuts, some less-rich nations want direct aid to combat climate change, Rachel Kyte said in an interview. The preference comes amid uneven rewards to developing economies from the United Nations’ carbon market, where 80 percent of its emission credits have gone to three countries, UN data show.
    “For some audiences you emphasize the opportunity, for some audiences you emphasize the risk” of climate change, Kyte said May 26 in Barcelona. “Markets have been regarded historically with some suspicion. Institutions that have supported market-based solutions have been regarded with some suspicion.”…
    The World Bank favors carbon pricing as it’s seen as less of an economic burden than more-expensive renewable-energy subsidies, Kyte said. The bank started the Prototype Carbon Fund in 1999 and now oversees a $127 million plan to prepare developing nations for charging mechanisms, such as emissions markets and taxes…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-04/world-bank-carbon-market-push-facing-developing-nation-suspicion

    4 June: Reuters: Exclusive: EU set to offer polluters another 10 years of free carbon credits: document
    By Barbara Lewis and Nina Chestney
    The European Union may have to offer its heaviest polluting industries another ten years of free carbon credits to prevent them from leaving the region to do business elsewhere, EU regulators have suggested in a report seen by Reuters…
    The list of companies entitled to free permits covers sectors including steel and chemicals producers that have been threatening to relocate to areas like the Middle East, which has less stringent emission limits.
    “It’s almost an insurance policy for the Commission to show it has considered all the options,” said Marcus Ferdinand, analyst at Thomson Reuters Point Carbon…
    One option breaks emissions intensity down into very high, high, medium and low-carbon, so that industries be entitled to respectively 100 percent, 80 percent, 60 percent and 30 percent free allocation.
    Another option is to give all sectors 30 percent of emissions free…
    The assessment will likely go through several revisions as it goes through a number of steps before it can become law. ***This process could take around two years.
    http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-eu-set-offer-polluters-10-years-free-114024994–finance.html

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    JLC of Perth

    Wasn’t Perth supposed to be ghost metropolis by now, according to Flannery?

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      Kevin Lohse

      I’m coming out to Perth in November to see my grandsons. Can you hang on for another 5 months?

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        TedM

        Some recent Perth WA temps for late May and anomalies

        Min anom Max Anomaly
        Wed 20/05/2015 8.6 -2.0 17.2 -5.2 0.0
        Thu 21/05/2015 9.6 -1.0 19.2 -3.2 0.0
        Fri 22/05/2015 8.6 -2.0 22.4 +0.0 0.0
        Sat 23/05/2015 6.6 -4.0 22.2 -0.2 0.0
        Sun 24/05/2015 8.2 -2.4 20.4 -2.0 0.0
        Mon 25/05/2015 9.8 -0.8 22.1 -0.3 0.0
        Tue 26/05/2015 8.6 -2.0 20.2 -2.2 0.0
        Wed 27/05/2015 7.4 -3.2 18.7 -3.7 0.0
        Thu 28/05/2015 3.7 -6.9 18.9 -3.5 0.0
        Fri 29/05/2015 4.6 -6.0 20.5 -1.9 0.0
        Sat 30/05/2015 7.8 -2.8 22.7 +0.3 0.0
        Sun 31/05/2015 5.2 -5.4 22.4 +0.0 0.0

        May 2015 Average 8.9 -1.7

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          TedM

          OOPs!! the formatting went haywire.

          I think most commenters here are smart enough to work it out.

          Just move the “Min anom Max Anomaly” to the right.

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        TedM

        Kevin, make sure you bring a pullover.

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          Annie

          You need more than that if it is as cold as it was one September when I visited Perth. The houses aren’t built for comfort in cold weather.

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    Safetyguy66

    Sorry for the OT but this is too good to be true.

    After so many years of berating the MSM over their lack of willingness to scrutinise scientific stories. The chocolate science journal scam must be choc coated mana from heaven for Jo.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/culture-beaker/attempt-shame-journalists-chocolate-study-shameful

    But it gets better. While driving home tonight I listened to RN drive and ….. well you have to hear it for yourself….

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/drive/the-chocolate-diet-hoax-that-fooled-millions/6522616

    Listen for the part where Patricia admits the main accusation Jo has been making of the ABC in science. “We just don’t check things” and not apologetically, but defiantly and aggressively, “we shouldn’t have to”.

    Then the author of the bogus paper explains it could have been debunked by checking the first citation.

    Truly shameful of the ABC to admit the obvious, but certainly no surprise to us.

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    StoptheRot

    It would be interesting to see the correlation between the survival probabilities vs GDP per capita. I suspect it would be a good model for predicting survival probability for a yet to be classified (or missing) nations.
    I smell something funny or maybe I’ve simply grown too cynical listening to CAGW crap.

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      Safetyguy66

      See if you can find a study comparing CO2 emission rates to things like birth weights, longevity, infant mortality, education, lifestyle etc.

      I tell you now, the more CO2 you pump as an economy, the better off your serfs will be. Its almost a lockstep relationship between CO2 emission rates and human welfare.

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    Doonhamer

    What about real estate values in the most Southerly continent?
    Glad I did not bet my pension on that.

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    hunter

    “Climate change” is even less definable than most theological terms.
    The climate kooks simply redefine “climate change” as needed for the point being made.
    This permits climate papers, articles, laws, treaties, etc. to make contradictory points yet still fit into the alternate reality that the climate kooks are building.

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    Mique

    I’d love to see their explanation of why West Papua has a better chance of surviving climate change than Papua New Guinea. They are both contiguous parts of the same island and, as anyone who has ever lived there or pretty much anywhere else in the tropics will know, the temperature varies very little from one “season” to another. A couple of degrees either way will barely be noticeable.

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      toorightmate

      You will not understand this freak of geography and climatology unless you study the science a bit more.
      The science is settled, you know.

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    tom0mason

    6 months to go before the Paris love festival er, no er, circle jerk er, no, not quite, … um … Hi-CO2-Powered Climate Circus of leading Global Nanny-State Elite Clowns, and already the propaganda is coming thick and smelly.
    Mainstream Media [snip] are clogging all the pipes with predictions/projections reports of epic proportion.

    My prediction is over the next 6 months all media will be unlistenable, unwatchable, unreadable as more utter rubbish is publicly aired and most of it will, laughably be called science.

    Hey, Scientists! See what these advocacy ‘settled science’ [snip] are doing to your profession, your career, your future? When the President of the USA said

    “So the question is not whether we need to act. The overwhelming judgment of science — of chemistry and physics and millions of measurements — has put all that to rest. Ninety-seven percent of scientists, including, by the way, some who originally disputed the data, have now put that to rest. They’ve acknowledged the planet is warming and human activity is contributing to it. “

    He was talking about scientist everywhere, not just in the USA, all 97% of you.

    But for now just find me one of those so called endangered islands to live on till January.

    [Please avoid what I snipped. It contributes nothing to the meaning of the comment and detracts from reasonable civility that Jo wants to see. Thanks.] AZ

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    Radical Rodent

    Ultimately there will be no winners from the effects of climate change, every country will be impacted in some way.

    A statement that encapsulates the utter baloney that is constantly being spouted. These are people who say that we should be terrified of change – any change, whatsoever. They seem to think that we are in our comfort-zone (utterly ignoring the fact that humans live in almost every zone possible, from the freezing Arctic to the sweltering tropics; from humid coastlines to arid mountains, and all else between), and any threat to that can only be a bad thing: you live in a desert? More rain will be a Bad Thing! Constantly flooded? Less rain will be a Bad Thing? Freezing in winter? Well, any extra heat will be a Bad Thing. Live in a hurricane zone? Fewer (and weaker, as is happening) hurricanes is obviously a Bad Thing. Longer growing season? Larger area of arable land? Increasing crops? Obviously, all these have to be Bad Things – quite why is never explained, but “Trust me.” What galls even more is that these doomsayers are inevitably getting their income off the tax-payer; perhaps they hope that there increasing alarmism will raise their income yet further (and anything over minimum wage for them is, I feel, too high).

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      Radical Rodent

      Dagnammit! typo – “…there their increasing alarmism…”

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      Robbo_WA

      Isn’t it great to know that after 4.56 billion years of fluctuations, the earth has finally (albeit briefly) reached THE perfect temperature for every living creature and every part of the globe, some time around our own date of birth? We live in a privileged time!

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    Roy Hogue

    But after the relief comes the guilt

    You, lucky sods in rich nations, caused the problem and now you must pay. But of course, that penance money doesn’t go to poor farmers or businesses in Africa directly, it goes straight to the UN where convoys of bureaucrats make a good living.

    Given the reality of the thing, I think it’s not penance but appeasement. And being a man a lot like Winston Churchill in many respects, I think like him. So let’s recognize what we’re doing.

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last. — Winston Churchill

    We need to stop the appeasement — stop what amounts to tribute to the UN. It will eat us all if we don’t.

    Another and older quote comes to mind also. It seems like good advice to me.

    Millions for defense but not one cent for tribute.

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      Roy Hogue

      And for all you catastrophists out there, I’m still enjoying unseasonably cool nights and more temperate days than is usual for where I live. How many years of failure of your predictions does it take before you see the light?

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      Another Ian

      Roy

      Rudyard Kipling’s “Danegeld” comes to mind

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      James Bradley

      Roy,

      I personally feel ripped off by the promise of global warming.

      Winter just struck with a vengeance here in the Southern Tablelands of NSW, and my stories of growing up in the 50′s, 60′s and 70′s here that younger folk scoff at have come home to roost for the first time in 40 years:

      -5c mornings with frost on the ground till mid morning – it will get worse.

      Heavy ice on cars before midnight – thank goodness for remote locking because key locks seize in this weather.

      Landscapes painted on window panes compliments of Jack Frost.

      Carby ice for those of us who refuse to update from a pre-pollution, pre-computer, pre-fuel injected 5.0 litre V8.

      Frozen water pipes from lack of lagging – you know the white wrapping on gal iron water pipes from houses built back when and never replaced with the copper piping during new age renovations.

      Ah the good old days – and climatastrophists said they’d never return – dirty, lying rat ba$tards.

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        Ken Stewart

        Pretty cold start to June here in Qld too! The BOM will have some serious explaining to do to convince us that AGW “fingerprints” are warmer nights and warmer winters. Unlike Elsa, the cold does bother me. I think those predicted climate refugees are going to be in for a rude shock. Especially the ones headed for Greenland.

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        Safetyguy66

        Same in Tassie James.

        Check out the average min and max for my beautiful, Beauty Point.

        http://www.weatherzone.com.au/tas/central-north/beauty-point

        Ok its only 6 days in, but 4c below average…. run away warming huh?

        Woooopsy!

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        Roy Hogue

        Carby ice for those of us who refuse to update from a pre-pollution, pre-computer, pre-fuel injected 5.0 litre V8.

        I had a 1964 VW once upon a time. It iced up on any cold morning and would refuse to idle within a minute or less.

        My neighbor across the street had one, also ’64 and on one cold morning I saw him struggling to keep it going so he could drive to work. I went over, opened the engine compartment and pointed to the intake manifold just below the carburetor. It had a thick layer of frost on the outside. He was stunned by what he saw. What was on the outside was, of course, also in the idle fuel delivery passages, so good luck keeping it running.

        Any liquid that evaporates is a refrigerant, even water. And gasolene is a very volatile liquid.

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    ROM

    That Guardian list was taken from a list of 192 putative countries which was created by the USA’s “University of Notre Dame” and is embellished with the title ND-GAIN Index

    Its aims were supposedly;

    The ND-GAIN Index, a project of the University of Notre Dame Global Adaptation Index (ND-GAIN), summarizes a country’s vulnerability to climate change and other global challenges in combination with its readiness to improve resilience. It aims to help businesses and the public sector better prioritize investments for a more efficient response to the immediate global challenges ahead.
    METHODOLOGY
    World wide ranking by ND-GAIN Index, higher scores are better.

    If you adjust for GDP you get this type of listing although I haven’t figured out what the heck they are trying to prove here;

    1 Argentina
    2 Syria
    3 Myanmar
    4 New Zealand
    5 Finland
    6 United Kingdom
    7 Denmark
    7 Sweden
    9 Australia
    10 Iceland
    11 Norway
    12 Germany
    13 Kyrgyzstan
    14 Canada
    15 Slovenia
    16 Japan
    etc

    I note also that the map is courtesy of “the ECO Experts” which immediately suggest to myself that it is another pure figment of somebody’s imagination that has no grounding in reality and was just another “Good Idea at the Time” with garnishings of pretty pics to give the whole thing a chimera of some sort of supposedly scientifically based research.

    The key quote again from Jo’s headline post;

    Countries most and least likely to survive the effects of climate change

    Well they got that bit very wrong for starters particularly with all those African countries in their range of colours.

    Countries don’t get wiped out by a major and / or rapid change in the climate.

    Civilisations do!

    The Continent of Africa and it’s countries bears no real relationship to the various tribal and ethnic distributions across Africa as one would expect to see from a completely rational set of boundaries enclosing like cultures within their borders.
    Africa in fact was appropriated and then chopped up by the European colonial powers at the 1855 Berlin conference called to do exactly that, to divide the whole of the African continent amongst the European colonial powers
    And it was done so without any regard for the local peoples, their common cultures, their tribal and family connections and links and trading partners.

    130 years ago: carving up Africa in Berlin

    In 1885 European leaders met at the infamous Berlin Conference to divide Africa and arbitrarily draw up borders that exist to this day.
    The map on the wall in the Reich Chancellery in Berlin was five meters (16.4 feet) tall. It showed Africa with rivers, lakes, a few place names and many white spots. When the Berlin Conference came to an end on February 26, 1885, after more than three months of deliberation, there were still large swathes of Africa on which no European had ever set foot.
    Representatives of 13 European states, the United States of America and the Ottoman Empire converged on Berlin at the invitation of German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck to divide up Africa among themselves “in accordance with international law.”
    Africans were not invited to the meeting.

    Czechoslovakia was one country until it separated into two countries , the Czech Republic and Slovakia in January 1993.
    The Soviets took a slice off of eastern Poland at the end of WW2 and then took a slice of eastern Germany and gave it to the Poles to compensate.

    To start to claim that some COUNTRIES will be the least likely to “survive” climate change when their peoples have been over run by some often very nasty colonial powers, ie the Belgians were amongst the worst, by invaders from other cultures and nations [ and now by tourists ] and still maintain their cultural identity and racial homogeneity really tells us the abysmal levels of intellect and understanding and thew total lack of historical perspective that have been used to make this claim.

    And the contra of course is that some countries will benefit greatly from the type of supposedly catastrophic warming climate change that is envisaged by this [snip] ivory tower dwellers.

    Had they said Civilisations might be wiped out by climate change then that becomes a whole lot different perspective.

    Civilisations which were limited in geographical extent by their primitive communications of the times and the fact that everybody who wanted to go anywhere any distance had to walk and find their food on the way and whose food production took the resources of about 80% of their population were highly vulnerable to a dramatic , long term change in their climate whether it was a regional change in the climate or global in extent.

    Civilisations that are known or suspected of having been destroyed and wiped out by dramatic changes in the regional and possibly in the global climate long before anybody had ever heard of CO2 or even climate change.
    Even in my youth it was “seasons” and “weather” and Climate only turned up in treatises on,- err, Climate!

    Not all the following civilisations were wiped out by a changing climate but climate had a lot to do with thier breakdown of their civil structures and the demise of their civilisations.

    To the list below there should also be a listing of the benefits that a benign climate could bring to some tribal groups which led in turn to the destruction of weaker civilisations such as was the case with the Mongols where a series of very good seasons across the steppes allowed the Mongol tribal peoples to grow greatly in numbers as well as allowing a large increase in their herds of livestock which created the conditions that led to the deadly Mongol Hordes and the later Golden Hordes that wreaked destruction and death and slavery across the great Central Asia cities and well into the European and Slavic empires of the 13th century

    Lost Civilizations: 12 Societies that Vanished in Mystery

    The Indus Valley Civilization, Pakistan

    The Khmer Empire, Cambodia

    The Anasazi, New Mexico, United States [ drought ? ]

    The Olmec Civilization, Mexico

    The Aksumite Empire, Ethiopia

    The Minoans, Crete [ volcano ]

    The Cucuteni-Trypillians, Ukraine & Romania

    The Nabateans, Jordan

    Cahokia, Illinois, United States

    The Mycenaean Civilization, Greece

    Moche Civilization, Peru

    Clovis Culture, North America

    [You were caught in moderation for just one word, which I snipped since it isn't essential to the meaning of your comment.] AZ

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    Ken

    It’s interesting that Canada, with our 6 months of winter, bitter cold, and short growing seasons doesn’t make the top 10 list of countries most able to cope.

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    LeeHarvey

    I’m not so sure about their list. It looks like most of the countries that they name are the ones most likely to self-immolate out of liberal guilt. I wouldn’t exactly call that ‘survival’.

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    Dariusz

    Climate Survivability Depends which way the climate will go. If it goes cold then Norway, Iceland and co have buckly,s chance. Just 20,000 years ago Norway was under up to 10,000kms of ice or just to put this in the picture this is the same level as jumbo jets normal flying elevation.
    When it is warm everyone benefits, even Bangladesh with the deltaic sediments constantly building new land. The same with Mississippi or amazon deltas. These huge depositional systems won,t get flooded as this will be countered by deposition even if you have 3 to 15mm/year seal level rise. Such is the power of these deltas that instead of progradational just like they do it now they will start aggrading or stack vertically. This is well known in geology, but hey the GW crap clowns know better and will tell you that New Orleans fill flood. Again at this rate of sea level rise this will never happen.

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      Phil R

      “Just 20,000 years ago Norway was under up to 10,000kms of ice or just to put this in the picture this is the same level as jumbo jets normal flying elevation.”

      Sorry, but ????

      10,000 km = 32,800,000 feet, or 6,212 miles, or almost 1/4 of the distance of a geostationary orbit.

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        Leonard Lane

        I think you mean m not km.

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          ROM

          The whole premise underlying the Guardian / Notre Dame claims is the complete inability of mankind to adapt to a changing set of circumstances, in this case a potential at best possible and from history, a probable and ultimately inevitable change in the local, the regional and the global climate all of which the world is constantly undergoing since its formation around 4.7 billion years ago.

          In fact a constantly changing climate but one which quite extraordinarily remains within a quite limited habitability range of temperatures and has done so for close on a billion years since the rise out of the bacterial slime of sentient animals some 650 million years ago, has been the main driving force through the forcing of life to constantly adapt which has led to our species of Homo sapiens, the current but not necessarily the end product by a long shot of that climate change forcing.
          Constant adaptability to constantly changing local, regional and global climates on this planet is the driver that forces life of every type to continue to evolve and to continue to exist.

          So another day and another list of the extremes under which humanity lives on this planet which gives the lie to the claims of a climate change disaster for humanity of the future al apparently based on the ignorant beliefs that fail to recognise humanity’s ability to adapt and to change in line with the constantly changing circumstances whether climate or otherwise.

          .
          Hottest
          ; Afar Depression in NE Ethiopia and the [ now abandoned ] mining town of Dallol with it’s AVERAGE annual temperature of 35 C as recorded between 1960 to 1966.
          .
          Coldest and largest temperature range where humans permanently live.

          The “Pole of Cold” in Eastern Siberia at Oymyakon, population 500, is in eastern Yakutia at approximately 750 meters above sea level.
          On February 6, 1933, a temperature of −67.7 °C (−90 °F) was recorded at Oymyakon’s weather station.
          This is, along with the same reading at Verkhoyansk, the lowest recorded temperature for any permanently inhabited location on Earth.

          On July 28, 2010, Oymyakon recorded a record high temperature of 34.6 °C (94 °F),[16] yielding a temperature range of 102.3 °C (184.1 °F).
          At the village’s northerly position, day length varies from 3 hours in December to 21 hours in June.
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          Driest ;

          South America’s western coastal Atacama Desert

          The Atacama Desert is commonly known as the driest place in the world, especially the surroundings of the abandoned Yungay town (in Antofagasta Region, Chile).
          The average rainfall is about 15 mm (0.6 in) per year, although some locations, such as Arica and Iquique, receive 1 to 3 mm (0.04 to 0.12 in) in a year.
          Moreover, some weather stations in the Atacama have never received rain.
          Periods of up to four years have been registered with no rainfall in the central sector, delimited by the cities of Antofagasta, Calama and Copiapó, in Chile. Evidence suggests that the Atacama may not have had any significant rainfall from 1570 to 1971.

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          Wettest

          Mawsynram & Cherrapunji ;on the Khasi Hills in eastern India where the very warm tropical moisture laden winds are funnelled up the Bay of Bengal and over the immense and largest river delta on earth of the Ganges and Brahmaputra Rivers, a Delta that makes up most of Bangladesh, and finally is forced to rise as it reaches the Khasi Hills and therefore cools and subsequently drops it’s immense water load.

          Mawsynram receives nearly 12 metres of rain in an average year, and the vast majority of it falls during the monsoon months. A comparison of rainfalls for Cherrapunji and Mawsynram for some years is given in Table 1.

          ie; In 1998 Mawsynram recorded 14,536 mms of rainfall.

          In 1998 Cherrapunji recorded 16,720 mms of rainfall.

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          Highest;

          La Rinconada, a mining village of over 7000 people in southern Peru.

          The aim of this analysis was to determine the altitude of the highest permanent human habitation in the hope that this will throw some light on what determines the highest altitude that a community can tolerate indefinitely.
          A number of places where people have lived at very high altitudes for long periods of time are reviewed.

          Individuals have lived for as long as 2 yr at an altitude of 5950 m, and there was a miner’s camp at 5300 m for several years.

          The highest permanently inhabited town in the world at the present time appears to be La Rinconada, a mining village of over 7000 people in southern Peru at an altitude of up to 5100 m, [ 16,730 ft. ] which has been in existence for over 40 years.

          The altitude of the highest permanent human habitation is determined partly by economic factors, rather than solely by human tolerance to hypoxia.
          .

          Deepest work place;

          Mponeng is a gold mine in South Africa’s North West Province.

          It extends over 4 kilometres below the surface and is considered to be one of the most substantial gold mines in the world.
          It is also currently the world’s deepest mine. The trip from the surface to the bottom of the mine takes over an hour.

          The temperature of the rock reaches 66 °C (151 °F), and the mine pumps slurry ice underground to cool the tunnel air below 30 °C (86 °F).
          A mixture of concrete, water, and rock is packed into excavated areas, which further acts as an insulator.
          Tunnel walls are secured by flexible shotcrete reinforced with steel fibers, which is further held in place by diamond-mesh netting.
          .
          __________________
          And the amazing adaptability of life to those depths and temperatures and to just about every extreme condition.

          The endemic bacterium Desulforudis audaxviator was discovered within groundwater samples.

          Desulforudis audaxviator is a monotypic bacterium, which lives in depths from 1.5 km to 3 km (.9 to 1.8 miles) below the Earth’s surface in the groundwater.

          It is the only bacterium found in water samples obtained 2.8 km (1.7 miles) underground in the Mponeng gold mine in South Africa. Approximately four micrometres in length, it has survived for millions of years on chemical food sources that derive from the radioactive decay of minerals in the surrounding rock, making it one of the few organisms known that does not depend on sunlight for nourishment and the only species known to be alone in its ecosystem.[1] D. audaxviator has genes for extracting carbon from dissolved carbon dioxide and for nitrogen fixation. It may also have acquired genes from a species of archaea by horizontal gene transfer.[2]

          They have been isolated from Earth’s surface for several million years because analyses of the water that they live in showed that it is very old and has not been diluted by surface water.[3] As the environment at that depth is so much like the early Earth, it gives a handle on what kind of creatures might have existed before there was an oxygen atmosphere. Billions of years ago, some of the first bacteria on the planet may have thrived in similar conditions. The newly discovered microbes could shed light into the origins of life on Earth.[citation needed]

          D. audaxviator is a Gram positive sulfate-reducing bacterium (making it the first complete such genome). The genome contains an unusual transposon and possesses many sites of insertion. Its complete intolerance of oxygen suggests long-term isolation. The hydrocarbons in that environment do not come from living organisms. The source of the hydrogen needed for their respiration comes from the decomposition of water by radioactive decay of uranium, thorium, and potassium. The radiation allows for the production of sulphur compounds that these bacteria can use as a high-energy source of food.

          D. audaxviator not only survives a complete absence of organic compounds, light, and oxygen, but also temperatures as high as 60 °C (140 °F) and a pH of 9.3. The physiology that enables it to live in these extreme conditions is a tribute to its unusually large genome, consisting of 2157 genes instead of the 1500 of its peers. If conditions become unfavorable for normal life, D. audaxviator is able to encyst, safeguarding its DNA from heat, extreme pH, and the lack of water.[4]
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          It is a great pity that the so called and grossly misnamed “researchers ” in this and many other cases involving climate matters can’t do just a smidgin of research on life’s and humanity’s adaptability before making entirely baseless and therefore completely unverifiable “predictions” that are nothing more than personal beliefs and opinions going under the guise of the cover of being some sort of what is a totally corrupted science.

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            ROM… that is a lot of writing based on a misinterpretation of the definition of mankind. We can survive in space and in the deep ocean too but it is not an option for mankind to transition to in the time frames inferred.

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              ROM

              Intersting that after a couple of millions of years of sometimes dramatic changes in the climate as in say the onset of the Younger Dryas period [ NOAA's A Paleo Perspective on Abrupt Climate Change ] mankind lived and bred right through those periods of abrupt climate change that far exceeds anything that “might”, and a “mite” is a very small animal indeed, possibly occur as a direct impact from mankind’s activities.
              Nature has proven innumerable times in the aeons past that she is quite capable of creating havoc amongst the global life forms by changing the climate without needing any assistance or help from an arrogant, hubris laden Homo sapiens scientific and environmental and political elite.
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              Quoted;

              The Younger Dryas is one of the most well-known examples of abrupt change.
              About 14,500 years ago, the Earth’s climate began to shift from a cold glacial world to a warmer interglacial state. Partway through this transition, temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere suddenly returned to near-glacial conditions (Figure 6).
              This near-glacial period is called the Younger Dryas, named after a flower (Dryas octopetala) that grows in cold conditions and became common in Europe during this time.
              The end of the Younger Dryas, about 11,500 years ago, was particularly abrupt.
              In Greenland, temperatures rose 10° C (18° F) in a decade
              (Figure 6; Cuffey and Clow, 1997).

              The Younger Dryas is clearly observable in paleoclimate records from many parts of the world. In the Cariaco Basin north of Venezuela, for example, temperatures decreased about 3°C (5.5°F), although some of this cooling might have been due to greater upwelling of colder subsurface waters.
              [ / ]

              And then another abrupt Paleo Climate Event from the same source;

              The 8.2 ka event;

              Quoted;
              Following the end of the last glacial period about 11,500 years ago, the Earth’s climate system began to look and behave more like it does today.
              The large continental ice sheets shrank, sea level rose, temperatures ameliorated, monsoons grew in strength. Around 8,200 years ago, however, a surprising event occurred.
              The 8.2 ka event, as it is now known, was first discovered in the Greenland ice core GISP2, where high-resolution analyses indicate that over two decades temperature cooled about 3.3°C in Greenland (Alley et al., 1997; Kobashi et al., 2007).
              The entire event lasted about 150 years (Thomas et al., 2007; Kobashi et al., 2007) and then temperatures warmed, returning to their previous levels.
              The spatial extent of the 8.2 ka event is currently under debate
              There is clear evidence from lake and ocean sediments that European climate was affected, with temperatures dropping about 2°C
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              End of the African Humid Period

              [quoted ]
              Following the last glacial period and the Younger Dryas, climate warmed around much of the world and human settlements expanded
              In Africa, the monsoon rains grew stronger and spread northward into the Sahara.
              Instead of being the sandy desert we now know, the Sahara was a steppe, covered in grasses and shrubs.
              In this inviting environment, hunters domesticated buffaloes and goats and developed an early system of symbolic art (left).

              A marine sediment record from off the western coast of Africa clearly shows an abrupt decrease in Saharan vegetation about 5,500 years ago, however (Figure 9).
              The scientists who generated this record measured the terrigenous flux, or dust that is transported off Africa into the Atlantic Ocean.
              This variable is inversely related to the amount of vegetation.
              Prior to 5,500 years ago, vegetation was more extensive in northern Africa and there was little loss of sediment from the land.
              The reverse is true after 5,500 years ago.

              Why did vegetation decrease abruptly?
              Pollen records show that vegetation in North Africa has two stable states (Figure 10).
              Since 5,500 years ago, this area has been in a ‘desert’ state, with little to no vegetation in the Sahara and mixed steppe and savanna to the south in the Sahel.
              However, pollen records from this area show that a ‘green’ state prevailed during most of the time between 14,500 to 5,500 years ago.
              Steppe vegetation expanded across the Sahara, and the Sahel was covered by savanna. One exception is during the Younger Dryas, when conditions in North Africa were drier and the vegetation was more desertlike.

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              And just to enlarge on the immense range of condition that mankind can adapt to and permanently live in or on in this case..

              http://www.peoplesoftheworld.org/text?people=Bajau

              Ethnonyms: Badjao, Badjau, Bajao, Bajaw, Sama Dilaut, Sea Gypsies
              Countries inhabited: Indonesia, Malaysia, The Philippines
              Language family: Austronesian
              Language branch: Malayo-Polynesian

              [quoted ]
              The Bajau have been a nomadic, seafaring people for most of their history. Many Bajau still practice that same lifestyle to this day, which explains why they are still commonly called “sea gypsies.”
              They chart particularly the waters of the Sulu Sea, off the southwestern coast of the Philippines, and the various seas that surround the Indonesian island of Sulawesi. These are among the most dangerous waters in the world with sporadic policing at best and a very high incidence of open piracy. Yet these Bajau claim never to have wielded weapons — preferring to simply flee from potential attack.

              They come ashore only to bury the deceased and to live temporarily while making new boats.

              Other Bajau began living entirely on land about 200 years ago. Many of these are to be found in Malaysia’s eastern state, Sabah, on the island of Borneo. Of course the seafaring Bajau make their living from fishing. Those who have abandoned that lifestyle have become farmers and cattle rearers, earning them the local nickname, “cowboys of the east.” Indeed their equine skills are well known in this part of the world, and are always to be found displayed in Bajau ceremonial events.
              Still other Bajau live a lifestyle between nomadic and sedentary, housed in villages on the water, but not far from land.

              [ / ]

              Mankind is the most adaptable of all sentient beings and any concerns about adapting to what by paleo climate change standards is a very minor shift in gthe global climate will be easily adapted to by mankind doing what we as a species have always done, ADAPT and swing and shift with what ever Nature in all of her unpredictability might decide.

              It don’t need no goddamn arrogant hubris laden humans who think they are so powerful and influential that they can over ride Nature’s role in the global climate.
              Nature has, can and will continue to call all the shots on the global climate regardless.
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              As has been said before;

              When you can clearly demonstrate to me you can control a Volcano then come back and we will discuss the controlling of the global climate

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              Carbon500

              Gee Aye: The trivial, sub-fractional changes of temperature which have served to make a lot of money and reputations don’t constitute ‘climate’.
              Where on the planet is the weather/climate (call it what you will) substantially any different from say, a hundred years ago?
              And where is the proof that mankind’s supposed emissions of a few extra molecules of CO2 in a million of atmospheric gases have made any difference?
              Pull the plug on all the goverment funding, scrap the EPA, abolish the UK’s ridiculous Climate Change Act and it won’t make make any difference whatsoever to the world’s climate!

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          Phil R

          Yes, but not my “km.” I was quoting above. However, even if m, 10,000 m = 32,800 feet, which would be about the altitude of jet liners, but at over 6 miles is still way too high (thick)for continental glaciers.

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      Dariusz

      Meters

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    Doesn’t this optimism run counter to the SMH special evacuation edition of a few years back? You know, it was a major front and back page supplement during the tree-munching broadsheet days, and it caused some Herald readers to complain that Marian Wilkinson’s coastal evacuation plan for NSW was biased because it didn’t take into account those living by estuaries. Oh, the humanity.

    It was the nation’s first case of estuarism, though I don’t know if it made it to the Human Rights Commission.

    You think I’m making this up. I’m not.

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    Tim

    Here’s the Name and Shame site that keeps us all in competition. (And it’s hard to get a pass mark without the maximum taxpayer/GDP ratio.)

    http://climateactiontracker.org/countries/usa.html

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    Tom O

    Interesting that the map suggests that those nations that have the ultra rich people in it – as in total number of billionaires – will be just fine and those nations with the highest total of poor will not be – with perhaps the exception of Greenland on the have side and Tibet on the have not side – not sure why Tibet should have so low a survival probability, though. Oh well, as we all know, humankind is an adaptable animal. Made it through the ice ages and the warmer periods earlier. Guess it will continue to survive unless the “heat and drying” is done by nuclear weapons which, of course, is always a possibility as long as jackasses run governments.

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    Robert O

    Reminds me a little of the coloured maps years ago when those countries, now mainly still in the Commonwealth of nations, were coloured red: India, Burma, Rhodesia, Egypt etc.

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    Thejoker

    So easy to do heckling sarcasm. So hard to do real science.

    Notch Filter paper still doing excellently and imminent?

    Jo Nova has nothing.

    —–
    Thanks for commenting TJ. you are an excellent example of all the intellectual wit offered by the best of the scare campaign. – Jo

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      Thejoker

      Oh, except the money of those she jupes.

      —-
      Feel the hate, eh? Keep them coming TJ. – Jo

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    Ruairi

    For ‘climate-change’ sins we must pay,
    Which we’re told we have caused far away,
    Then hand huge amounts,
    To the U.N.’s accounts,
    If the U.N.’s high-priests have their way.

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    The list is very closely related to the richest countries in the world. Those least able to cope are the poorest. So if the leaders of poor a poor country believe the CAGW hype and are concerned about future welfare of their people do they
    a. Hinder economic growth by preventing the development of the cheapest energy sources?
    OR
    b. Prevaricate about emissions constraints, and do everything to promote long-term economic growth?
    Any sensible policy-maker will recognize that the first option is not going to happen, as the likes of China and India have chosen the second route.
    There is a third option, for the aid-dependent countries, whether or not they are believers in CAGW. Campaign for as much cash as possible. In the short-term the Countries (or at least the ruling elite) are better off.

    I discussed the eco-experts map earlier this year.

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    David S

    I find the transfer of money from developed to underdeveloped countries extremely arbitrary especially when those countries include China and India which has the fastest growing GDP growth rates and growth in billionaires . As the Chinese acquire excess property all over the world the US , Europe and Australia tie themselves to ridiculous emission targets. Why the leaders of the Western world would so readily acquiesce to economic straight jackets over the next 15 years shows the mental incapacity of the leaders in those countries.. The only sensible approach is for all countries to adopt the Chinese approach which is do nothing for 15 years by which time the AGW scam will be exposed .

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      Dennis

      Indonesia is an interesting example of wealth, 240 million people and 45 million are middle class consumers. Australia has 24 million people.

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        GMac

        Australians in the near future could have some interesting questions to answer- will they want a govt that is democratic to a point has free markets but will impose a soft brand of Islam or will we want a govt that controls the market and is very lukewarm re democracy and will control religion.
        If you haven’t guessed , it’s Indonesia and China.
        The world is changing,new powers are emerging or I should say changing,because of the small size of out population and economy we,meaning our politicians will have to make some tough decisions,and I think that they will make them regardless of the electorates wishes,if they haven’t already done so!
        I don’t think that these free trade agreements aren’t just about trade.

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    Yonniestone

    Which countries will survive climate change social change?, the ones that can tell the UN to shove it and survive on their resources, the list is pretty close.

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      TedM

      Fair comment.

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      GMac

      You are forgetting that the 5 nations that control the UN all have “nukes” , the ICBM versions.

      Look at it this way Malaysia was considering going to a “gold standard” for it currency,one of it provinces/states did,the USA will not permit any nations to go onto a gold standard for their currencies,then all of a sudden some Malaysian aircraft fall out of the sky and one is shot down,I’m not making aspersions or pointing the finger,but coincidences?
      If I was a much smarter fellow I might put 2 and 2 together and come up with a disturbing answer.

      The UN will eventually get its way when the big 5 trust each other and that won’t happen until Britain and the USA become totalitarian states(the French will never agree with anyone on anything).

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    farmerbraun

    Just a little off topic, but is there currently occurring what seems to me to be a convergence of several climate models, notably the “iris” model, the filter model, and the “emergent phenomena” model?

    It does seem that models which account for and predict stability, the predominant feature of our climate, will be the ones to break through to better understanding.
    Surprise.!

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    Carbon500

    The world of football is in crisis at the moment, with quite a few of the great and the good in trouble because of financial, shall we say, – irregularities.
    I wonder if we’ll see ‘climate science’ splashed across the headlines for similar reasons one day?

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    el gordo

    Reading through the amusing comments nobody seems to have considered global cooling, which comes about through a quiet sun.

    I’m only moderately alarmed, but the natural failure of the Indian monsoon will create dislocations with political ramifications.

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    TedM

    Q: “Which countries will survive climate change?”

    A: All of them until the next ice age. Apart from military adventurism by China or Russia. And that won’t be climate change.

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      GMac

      If the Chinese invade Australia the “climate” will change bloody quickly!

      CLIMATE, an abstract word that can have any meaning according to those telling the story.

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    Svend Ferdinandsen

    Maybe your country survive the climate change, but will it survive the politicians measures against it?

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    TdeF

    The language of alarmists is quite striking in this article. Every time you read Climate Change you have to substitute the words Global Warming, but no one says Global Warming as the public and the writer knows that is untrue.

    So for Climate Change you get a picture of a tree in a dried out river. The map shows that countries with adequate dams, electricity, infrastructure and fossil fuel or in already cold climates are fine. Those denied access to electricity and adequate infrastructure by mad Green policies or those who do not have fossil fuels are threatened by Climate Warming.

    The graph is absurd. Consider the status of Saudi Arabia, largely desert. Thanks to oil and endless power and desalination, they are fine. Those who have no oil are in trouble, as Yemen and Jordan. The map is not about climate stress brought about climate change but by lack of electricity and fossil fuels. Clearly the Warmist Guardian does not understand irony.

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      TdeF

      To spell out my point more clearly. The Guardian is clearly avoiding the use of the words “Global Warming”. This indicates an intention to mislead, a mens rea, clearly pushing a theme for purposes other than to inform. It is similar to the declared lies told about the Great Barrier Reef and now exposed by UNESCO. It is all falling apart for the Guardian. This is not news, not climate news. It is propaganda.

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    ivan

    The main thing these ECO Experts don’t tell us ts where they get their data from and what they do to it to make their forecast.

    Maybe it is as others have said, a list of those that are expected to pay Dane geld to the green blob.

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    Dennis

    Australia’s production of newable energy went backwards last year, largely due to the weather. Reports The Australian 4 June 2015.

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    Robdel

    Maybe the Guardian is being influenced by Lomborg’s sustainability meme.

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    BilB

    I’m not going to challenge then general thrust of the thread as it is so off the mark it hurts to think about it.

    What I do pick issue with is the comments about “what Africa needs”. The argument that thow in a few nuclear reactors an that continent with magically transform is total nonsense.

    Africa is a Libertarian paradise and enjoys the consequences of that economic reality: maxium disparity of wealth; user pays education and health; minimum effective taxation; maximum exploitation of labour; no minimum wage or established working conditions; minimal social services; etc.

    Africa is what the Tea Party will drive the US economy to become give a decade or two of total dominance. The only thing that will save Africa is a huge testosterone tax.

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      Bilb, Africa is a corrupt basket case, where honest work is rarely rewarded. You have no idea of what the tea-party is, or what a free market looks like. Africa represents some of the worst examples of “big-government” control, where people are killed because they want different leaders, where inflation runs riot, real democracy is rare, and black markets common.

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      Yonniestone

      I almost gave you a thumbs up for those hilarious statements BilB, how’s the climate on your planet holding up? LOL. :)

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      manalive

      @Bilb,
      The map above indicates that the countries most likely to cope with any climate change events, whatever the causes, are those with strong free-market economies — that’s self-evident.
      If you look closely at the map above you will see a tiny patch of green which is Botswana “formerly one of the poorest countries in the world … since transformed itself into one of the fastest-growing economies in the world”, a representative democracy with rule of law, independent judiciary, the least corrupt country in Africa and a strong free-market economy.

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      sophocles

      Please define a Libertarian paradise. I’m curious because it does not gel with what I know about Africa, at all.

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      el gordo

      China believes it will succeed where the Europeans failed, they have wealth to build infrastructure, electric light powered by coal, clean drinking water and lots of trains to unite the continent.

      The Celestial Kingdom comes in peace.

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      Bill

      Thanks for the belly laugh! Obviously YOU have never been to Africa, or anywhere but mommy’s basement or the local uni’s pro-communist entry level political studies classes.

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    A C

    I dont think there is any coincidence here – the countries they predict will be least affected are the wealther countries. The contries least affected are poor countries. The whole purpose here is to promote guilt in those countries which have cash in order to extract it to hand over to the poorer countries. This has been the UN’s agenda all along. The plan is to get themoney moving and then get as much to cling to sticky fingers as it goes through the UN

    “One must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. … One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.”
    IPCC and UN bureaucrat Otmar Edenhofer.

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      Ross

      You are 100% correct AC. All part of the propaganda leading up to Paris.

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      TdeF

      Incredible! International climate policy is NOT environmental policy. This is as bad as Figueres openly admiring China’s political system, with herself at the top presumably.

      All those who care about the enviroment, be warned. The Enviromnment is not the concern of the IPCC and UN. Their sole concern is wealth redistribution.

      It also shows the numerical dominance of the UN by countries like Christina Fugueres’ tiny Costa Rica and the dominance of the job of President of Costa Rica by her family. Power and money. The Climate game is not even charity or largesse. It is clearly highway robbery. If it was not so serious, you would be reminded of Monty Python’s Dennis Moore and the Lupin Express parody of communism.

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    pat

    read all:

    4 June: Breitbart: Steve Milloy: Harvard, Syracuse Researchers Caught Lying to Boost Obama Climate Rules
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/04/harvard-syracuse-researchers-caught-lying-to-boost-obama-climate-rules/

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    TdeF

    There is a class of busy person who “just reads the headlines”. So headlines like “Which countries will survive Climate Change” and a map are simply intended to reinforce the meme. No science. Not even an explanation.

    It is also click bait like some of the funniest on news.com.au, with ten photographs of cats you cannot believe or an incredible zinger you have to read and how they make the holes in swiss cheese. News generally is descending into zero content gibberish and Climate Change pulp stories like this are simply subliminal IPCC advertising, perhaps to add guilt to the demands for cash.

    Then who would have ever thought the Climate, not the weather, was news? Most people would not think their climate had changed, if they were not told so every day by the Guardian, the ABC and even the BOM who cannot even correctly identify a Category 5 cyclone.

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      Bulldust

      The Age/SMH seems to have become the most ridiculous partisan tabloid in the country.

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        TdeF

        And when it collapses financially, it will be the fault of the evil Murdoch empire and of course, the conservative middle class readers themselves, the people who are prepared to actually pay for a newspaper.

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        GMac

        Bdust -They all are,if you want the truth(quite different to facts) don’t read a newspaper!

        Where to find the truth,now days almost impossible.

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          TdeF

          That was specifically why the government sought to create an impartial and objective but government funded press without advertising and the BBC/ABC were born. At least the BBC pretends to stick to its charter. Now we have 1,000 highly paid, politicized government funded ABC journalists who all agree with each other, if they want their jobs. Are they even allowed disagree with each other publicly? Panels are a farce as they are all in lockstep. Lenin would have been proud.

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            Bulldust

            Actually I could summarise – I go to a number of different sources to try and draw up my own view of the world. The main focus being all things resource industry related and global economic.

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          Bulldust

          I read different papers (online only) for different reasons. The West is generally better on mining topics, The SMH (or Age when I run out of 30 free articles on SMH for the month) for market/global economy stuff, The Oz is unreadable online anymore (paywalled), and the ABC for laughs. The Kalgoorlie Miner used to have Skimpy of the week a few years back (hardcopy) but that’s gone now (long story behind that).

          We have all those at work in hardcopy and the AFR, but I rarely go there. In hayfever season the smell of newsprint sets me off.

          For economics I tend to read Mauldin’s web site because he runs a variety of commentators and has a reasonably open mind. Then I get Mining News and Energy News, and a variety of other subscriptions electronically at work. That’s before I start on the economic databases we have access to…

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        Dennis

        Faux Facts

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    Bulldust

    O/T, but for a giggle you can go to the ABC news yesterday that said “Australia’s trade deficit of $3.9b its worst on record”:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-04/trade-deficit-more-than-trebles/6521468

    So I went to the ABS stats and checked. Turns out the ABC was using current dollars as opposed to real (inlfation adjusted) dollars. Had they used the latter (as any serious economist would) the post-GFC quarter would have been the “worst evah!”

    Bulldust, yes me, posted something along those lines, to wit:

    Except this data is current dollars and not real (inflation-adjusted). Therefore, while bad, the last quarter was not the largest negative trade balance in real terms. But I guess that doesn’t make for the same attention-grabbing headline.

    And yes, I checked at the source.

    Nothing partisan, simply facts. I promptly got -7 in my like score. Seems the ABC echo chamber doesn’t like facts. Needless to say, had it been an ABC “Fact checl” correcting a Liberal minster it would have received rapturous applause.

    The ABC is past the “use by” date. The staff and audience are Green or slightly (far?) left of Green. I think I will make a point of just posting facts on their blogs now and laughing when I get negative “like” scores.

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      Bulldust

      Wow, the anti-fact brigade has followed me from the ABC LOL

      You hit the red thumb, you mebarrass yourself. Truly, this is the age of stupid.

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    handjive

    Behold Nigeria!

    Nigeria’s Eko Atlantic augurs how the super-rich will exploit the crisis of climate change to increase inequality and seal themselves off from its impacts (guardian.com)

    That map must be wrong.

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    el gordo

    “…leading solar astrophysicists, such as Habibullo Abdussamatov from Pulkovo Observatory in St Petersburg, have for years been commenting on the declining activity of the sun?

    “These scientists are projecting a significant cooling over the next three decades, and perhaps even the occurrence of another little ice age.

    “Obsessed as they are with a gentle global warming trend that stopped late last century, should the expected solar cooling eventuate, policy makers will rue the day they failed to heed the advice of independent scientists on climate change issues.”

    Prof Bob Carter

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    Debbie

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-singled-out-as-a-climate-change-freerider-by-international-panel-20150604-ghgbde

    Australia has become a climate change “free-rider”, dropping off the list of nations taking “credible” action to curb greenhouse gas emissions, according to a panel led by former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.

    In the Africa Progress Panel’s 2015 report, Australia is named along with Canada, Japan and Russia as appearing “to have withdrawn from the community of nations seeking to tackle dangerous climate change”.
    Australia, with one of the world’s highest per capita emissions, “has gone from leadership to free-rider status in climate diplomacy”, it said……”

    This is getting more ridiculous by the day!!

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      Australia has become a climate change “free-rider”, dropping off the list of nations taking “credible” action to curb greenhouse gas emissions, according to a panel led by former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.

      Oh, I dunno!

      The UN could always send in their ‘blue caps’ to shut down our power plants.

      Tony.

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        Dennis

        We could all then pretend to riot and throw stones, falling just short of targets, and soon the UN would pull out and give up.

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      Rollo

      Australia is named along with Canada, Japan and Russia as appearing “to have withdrawn from the community of nations seeking to tackle dangerous climate change”.

      Well if this is true I’m proud to be an Aussie. I hope that our politicians grow some backbone before Paris and do nothing about carbon emissions apart from frowning a lot and expressing mock anger at evil polluting capitalists generally. Good on you Canada, Japan, Russia, China, India and others. Just make the right noises, but do nothing.

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    el gordo

    “Having put all our eggs in one basket and having made science a religion, it bravely persists with its global warming narrative, ignoring at its peril and ours, the clear warnings being given by mother nature.

    “If the world does indeed move into a cooling period, its citizens are ill-prepared.”

    Maurice Newman

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    GMac

    When they mean “survive” what is their definition of survive,and what criteria are they using to define it?

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      el gordo

      Its about coping in situ, for example with global cooling life would become difficult for Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, Fins and Icelanders, but they should be able to manage.

      Cool wet summers and long cold winters throughout Europe would become more the norm, so UK residents may find it a lot cheaper to live in Australia or NZ.

      North Americans will need to consider their future.

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    Seriously, look at that map closely and look at it with a different perspective. Take the green areas (from 60 upwards, those three green colours) as those which can best cope with surviving this (non) problem of Climate Change.

    All of those Countries which will have extreme trouble trying to survive are those three other colours, the three shades of brown.

    Now, the different perspective I mentioned.

    ALL of those green Countries have large scales of coal fired power, and ALL of those brown Countries have extremely small or zero amounts of coal fired power.

    Now look at coal fired power as just being electrical power in general.

    Same thing for the ranges of the six colours, green almost plenty, and brown almost nil.

    So, in effect, what this map screams out to me is that those Countries which have access to even reasonably reliable and wholly reliable larger amounts of electricity will survive, and the Country labelled as the single greatest per capita emitter on the Planet, Australia, is shown here as the one most likely to survive relatively easily, in the top green coloured area.

    And, as I have always gone to great lengths to say, there is only the one source which can supply those levels of reliable and regular electrical power.

    Watch the smoke coming out of green supporters heads right about now.

    This map may have been published to show something that is supposed to be Telling, and in actual fact, it is, but not for the reasons it was published.

    Now, whenever people try and say that we won’t survive this scare, I have a map which tells me we can, and in fact, why we can.

    Tony.

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    Dennis

    Apparently the UN wants to extract $100 billion a year from developed member nations in future, agreement to be signed in Paris.

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    Rollo

    What about Antarctica, I can’t see it on the map? After all this is where we are all supposed to be fleeing in the not too distant future. Maybe they are keeping Antarctica as a secret haven for the UN upper echelons (ecoloons?)

    Climate change will force refugees to move to Antarctica by 2030, researchers have predicted.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/3353247/Climate-change-study-predicts-refugees-fleeing-into-Antarctica.html

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      el gordo

      Back in 2008 they were confident they had it right, but the expanding sea ice has put an end to that fallacy.

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    DonS

    Hi Jo

    Agree with your comments on the UN and Africa. More than 50 years of ever growing UN bureaucracies pumping other peoples money into the (Swiss) pockets of some of the most despicable regimes on the planet for almost no improvement in the lives of ordinary Africans. There is a reason for thousands of Africans wanting to risk their lives in leaky boats to get out of the place.

    Is it just me or is there an uncomfortable similarity between how FIFA and the UN operate? I mean FIFA gives the world cup to a “nation” of 250,000 people ruled over by one of the most repressive governments in the world and the UN puts representatives of Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Libya etc. on human rights committees. There seems to be a common thought process in action.

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    old farte

    It is indisputable that ground-extracted hydrocarbon fuel burning is destroying the planet. It’s just a fact, the argument is settled.

    John Kerry, Barack Obama, Christiana Figueras, Tim Flannery and others have proved this. They all took calculus–excelled in it–and calc-based physics–and excelled in it. Tim aced physics, he just chose English as a major, because physics and calculus were too easy.

    Michael Mann spent 5 years to get his bachelor’s, only earning “honors” vs. contemporaries who earned “highest honors, and “high honors” in 3-4 years (“honors” being one level above “undistinguished” and 9 years to get his PhD (worked on continuously, when hotshots got their PhD’s in 3 years, and average students earned theirs in 5-6 years), because he was brilliant.

    James Hanson got his PhD in Physics at Iowa because he was too brilliant to accept his Iowa profs’ advisement to get his PhD at Harvard, Caltech, Berkeley, Princeton, MIT, Chicago, Cornell, places that had multiple Nobel Physics Prize winners. No, Hanson decided to stay at Iowa,which had no Nobel Physics winners because he was too brilliant to study under Nobel Physics Prize winners. (Like Mann’s Yale.)

    I want the world’s prosperous economies to follow the science proclamations of people who earned only social science degrees, and “Big Findings” guys (Venus = Earth, Hockey Stick using homemade statistical analysis) who were crappy physics students.

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    A C

    The top 10 most likely to cave in to guilt pressure.

    1. Norway
    2. New Zealand
    3. Sweden
    4. Finland
    5. Denmark
    6. Australia
    7. United Kingdom
    8. United States
    9. Germany
    10. Iceland

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      Manfred

      NZ rather loves its membership of the UN Security Council. Guilt may have less to do with it.

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        NZ is a member of the security council?
        What could they do about anything? The only Tactical Fighter Force NZ has is a bunch of guys on the South island who preserve WW1 and WW2 aircraft.

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    Owen Morgan

    Silly beggars, those Scandinavians. They spent half of the Middle Ages (including a chunk of the Mediaeval Warm Period) trying, rather forcefully, to emigrate to England, Scotland, Ireland, Kiev, Normandy, when they could just have stayed put. On the other hand, Scandinavian emigration to Greenland wasn’t ultimately blessed with success. I think the reason was something to do with… what’s that term they use?… climate change. Greenland got colder. Obviously, those stupid Vikings stopped using their SUVs and so brought their fate on themselves.

    The map is a masterpiece of nonsense, of which Lewis Carroll would be proud.

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    pat

    2 June: NYT: Eduardo Porter: Climate Deal Badly Needs a Big Stick
    More than a quarter-century of fruitless efforts to induce the world’s major greenhouse gas polluters like China and the United States to significantly cut their emissions suggests the entire approach may be ***fundamentally flawed.
    Such failure indicates that getting countries to make the costly but necessary investments to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions will require more than diplomacy. It will require a big stick…
    In an article published in April in The American Economic Review, Professor Nordhaus (an expert on the economics of climate change at Yale) proposed just such a climate club, in which countries committed to reducing carbon emissions would impose a uniform tariff on imports from nonmembers…
    “The idea is exciting and provocative,” said Scott Barrett of Columbia University, one of the world’s leading experts on the dynamics of climate diplomacy…
    Martin Weitzman, a professor of economics at Harvard and co-author of “Climate Shock,” published by Princeton University Press in February, agreed…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/03/business/energy-environment/climate-deal-badly-needs-a-big-stick.html?_r=0

    does the following sound like the US – or the world, for that matter – is planning on cutting back on CO2 emissions!

    US Dept of Defense: Secretary of Defense Speech
    As Delivered by Secretary of Defense Ash Carter, Tempe, AZ, Monday, April 06, 2015
    Remarks on the Next Phase of the U.S. Rebalance to the Asia-Pacific (McCain Institute, Arizona State University)
    And when you combine America’s economy with just those of our Asia-Pacific allies, together we represent $25 trillion of economic might – we and our allies. That’s a third of the global economy…
    ***There are already more than 525 million middle class consumers in Asia, and we expect there to be 3.2 billion in the region by 2030.
    ***President Obama and I want to ensure that you and the rest of America’s workers and businesses can successfully compete for all these potential customers. That is why we need Congress to pass bipartisan Trade Promotion Authority for the President – so that he can ensure America gets the best deal in a historic, new trade agreement with eleven other Asia-Pacific countries, which is called the Trans-Pacific Partnership…
    Time’s running out: we already see countries in the region trying to carve up these markets…forging many separate trade agreements in recent years, some based on pressure and special arrangements rather than openness and principle. Agreements that don’t incorporate our high standards and leave us on the sidelines. That risks America’s access to these growing markets, and it risks regional instability.
    We must all decide if we are going to let that happen. If we’re going to help boost our exports and our economy, support higher-paying jobs across America, and cement our influence and leadership in the fastest-growing region in the world; or if, instead, we’re going to take ourselves out of the game…
    Over the next century, no region will matter more for American security and also for American prosperity…
    http://www.defense.gov/Speeches/Speech.aspx?SpeechID=1929

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      Owen Morgan

      As a matter of interest, does the U.S. Secretary of Defense (whatever his name happens to be, this week) include China among his “Asia-Pacific allies”? That would be the same China that was threatening war against the U.S., just a couple of days ago.

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    pat

    NYT says US/China deal fundamentally flawed; “ESTEEMED” Michael Mann thinks otherwise!

    3 June: HuffPo: Stefanie Penn Spear: Michael Mann’s Dire Predictions Provides Ultimate Guide on Understanding Climate Change
    If you find it difficult to fully grasp the concept of climate change, you’re not alone. But, thanks to ***esteemed climate scientists Michael E. Mann and Lee R. Kump at Pennsylvania State University, understanding the reality of climate change has never been easier…
    MICHAEL MANN: There are signs of real progress today. Both the executive branch (through the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency) and groups of states are enacting policies to lower our carbon emissions, and on the international stage, the world’s two largest emitters of carbon, the ***U.S. and China, have entered into an historic agreement to lower carbon emissions. There is indeed quite a bit of reason for cautious optimism, going into the Paris summit later this year, that we will see meaningful progress this year…
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefanie-penn-spear/michael-manns-dire-predictions-provides-ultimate-guide-on-understanding-climate-change_b_7501036.html?utm_hp_ref=green

    Poland has no intention of backing off coal. it would be economic suicide to do so.

    3 June: RTCC: Ed King: Judge Paris on participation, not CO2 cuts – Polish minister
    Don’t judge the outcome of a Paris climate deal on the amount of emissions it culls, rather focus on the number of countries who have signed up.That’s the message from Poland’s climate chief Marcin Korolec…
    “The most important notion is participation – that is the crucial challenge ahead of all of us…
    He expects limited movement on slashing the 90-page UN negotiating text during a two week meeting in Bonn taking place now. Its vast length is a “natural way to protect interests” he said …
    Where Korolec does see progress is on how the responsibilities of developed and developing countries to address climate change are defined before and after Paris.It’s possibly the most toxic issue blighting these talks, but he said the concept of “self-differentiation” offers a solution to a long-running problem…
    ***The country relies on coal for 55% of its total primary energy consumption, and 75% for power generation…
    Once Poland was told it did not understand markets given its Communist past, he said.
    ***Now Brussels is trying to command the markets, leaving him “pessimistic” about the future of the ETS.
    “With our attitude in ETS we do not have a market… we have a system that was designed to be a market but today we have a huge administrative intervention in this market,” he said.
    “I think we created in Europe such big uncertainty from the point of view of investors that we will face tremendous problems because of that uncertainty. Who can testify that in 2025 there will be not be [another] market intervention?
    “I don’t think it is a way to convince other big economies to follow the European example.”
    http://www.rtcc.org/2015/06/03/judge-paris-on-participation-not-co2-cuts-polish-minister/

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    pat

    i heard BBC male this morning finishing up a discussion on the following with Tom Karl – at least i think it was Karl. the BBC guy sounded quite frustrated. he ended by basically saying changing the story now won’t do anything for public trust.
    can’t find that interview documented, but i love the related links at the bottom of this Helen Briggs report:

    4 June: BBC: Helen Briggs: US scientists: Global warming pause ‘no longer valid’
    “The IPCC’s statement of two years ago – that the global surface temperature ‘has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years’ – is no longer valid,” said Dr Karl, the director of Noaa’s National Climatic Data Center.
    More on this story
    Global warming slowdown ‘could last another decade’
    21 August 2014
    Global warming pause ‘central’ to IPCC climate report
    23 September 2013
    Why has global warming stalled?
    22 July 2013
    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33006179

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    pat

    FOUND THE BBC INTERVIEW. BBC’S ROLAND PEASE SOUNDS VERY ANNOYED. SAYS HE HAS LOADS OF PAPERS EXPLAINING THE PAUSE AND NOW THIS. THE INTERVIEW ENDS AT 8 MINS PLUS.

    LISTEN FROM 7 MINS IN:

    AUDIO: 4 June: BBC Science in Action with Roland Pease: No slow down in Global Warming
    Evidence Against the Global Warming Pause
    An analysis using updated global surface temperature data disputes the existence of a previously reported 21st century global warming slowdown. The new analysis suggests that there has been no discernible decrease in the rate of warming between the second half of the 20th century up to the present day. This period has been dubbed a global warming “hiatus.” This new analysis is sure to cause more controversy and debate…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02sbqd3

    WORTH LISTENING TO IN ISOLATION:

    AUDIO: 47 secs: 4 June: BBC Science in Action: No global Warming Pause?
    Professor Tom Karl, the director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s National Centres for Environmental Information (NCEI) explains to Roland Pease about how his analysis using updated global surface temperature data disputes the existence of a previously reported 21st century global warming slowdown or pause. The new analysis suggests that there has been no discernible decrease in the rate of warming between the second half of the 20th century up to the present day. This new analysis is sure to cause more controversy and debate.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02sx3gs

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      ianl8888


      BBC’S ROLAND PEASE SOUNDS VERY ANNOYED. SAYS HE HAS LOADS OF PAPERS EXPLAINING THE PAUSE AND NOW THIS

      This really causes large belly laughs :) :)

      Judith Curry’s website has a technical discussion on this new “paper” for those interested. For me, the key laugh was the warming adjustment done to SST’s, based on shipping data. Data from shipping was replaced earlier with buoys etc because the shipping data was acknowledged to be biased warm from water circulation over engine manifolds

      Now we have unbiased instrumental data deliberately re-adjusted to match acknowledged warming bias, then passed off as “evidence” of AGW :) :)

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        el gordo

        Ross McKitrick has a guest post at Watts, where he discusses the finer points of gathering ship data. Originally they threw a bucket over the side, raised it up and put in a thermometer.

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    pat

    with links:

    5 June: Euractiv: First draft of sustainable development goals exposes gaps, warn NGOs
    The new set of development goals that will address global poverty, inequality and climate change over the next 15 years are strong on vision, but weak on the methods to make them a reality, NGOs warned this week.
    After months of negotiations among UN member states, the first official – “zero” – draft of the sustainable development goals (SDGs) (LINK) was published on Tuesday (2 June).
    As widely expected, the number of goals (17) and number of targets (169) have not changed since they were first proposed by a UN open working group last year. Some of the targets have been recommended for revisions…
    A decision on the indicators for all goals is not expected until March next year…
    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/development-policy/first-draft-sustainable-development-goals-exposes-gaps-warn-ngos-315154

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    Wayne Job

    When you stand back and analyse this torrent of mis-information coming from the warmanista camp, it becomes easy to understand. It is faith based, it is a green dream religion coming from gaia worshippers, these greens seem to me to be some what on the thought patterns of national socialism whom were also green, even down to their dislike of the jewish people.

    The greens however are not leaders they are followers, they are what Stalin described as useful idiots. It is the international socialists that are leading them by the nose. The plan is cunning and much tested, it can make half the population useful idiots via a guilt trip. The concept of original sin is one of the most cunning plots ever invented, the buggers in the UN have recommissioned original sin in a new guise, clever as hell and sucking in millions.

    As Charlie Brown would say “Good Grief”

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    Random Comment

    Apologies for commenting without first reading those before me, as this thought may have already been posted. Given the wealthy, liberal democracies will be called on to fund the majority of swill poured into UN troughs, it makes sense to talk up capacity to pay and talk down cost of negative impacts attributable to such nations.

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    Bill

    Odd. First they blame it all on Canada as an energy producer, then they lump us into the US and say we’ll survive just fine thank you. Idiots.

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    el gordo

    ‘Last weekend’s cold weather has caused significant damage to canola fields across southern Manitoba, leaving many area farmers filing insurance claims and reseeding.

    ‘Seeding in the southwest region was close to complete Saturday when frost blanketed the area. Temperatures across the province dropped below zero early Saturday morning with several areas, including Brandon, recording a temperature of -4 C. Most of southwest Manitoba experienced temperatures between -1 and -3 C.’

    Brandon Sun

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