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Nobel Chutzpah Prize 2015: UN, World Bank need “$89 Trillion” to fix climate

Grey elephant with dollar bill for skinThe ambit claims know no bounds. Who else would ask for $89,000,000,000,000? If the evil “more developed” nations pay for their carbon sins, the bill for those 1.3 billion people works out at $70,000 per person by 2030 (babies included).*  When the target is 89,000 billion dollars, anything the Global Saviours get, can be painted as “not enough”. (It’s never enough). A trillion in funds is a “tiny”, “insufficient” amount that is “barely adequate”. Compliant journalists will print those headlines. The crowd will pay the money and feel guilty they are not paying more.

Speaking of the loot, the world’s GDP is currently $70 trillion, so asking for $89 trillion is a claim on 8% of all the money turned over in the world economy for a decade and a half. Handsome!

There is a grand array of climate junkets for Global Worriers this year. A gala of red-carpet events culminating in Paris, from November 30 to December 11. The wheeling and dealing is on right now, months ahead — and though they talk about the importance of Paris, I expect that Paris is mostly the cabaret show (like UNFCCC event in Bali that I went to), and it’s the deals being hammered out right now that matter (so write to your Austrlian M.P. today. And can we get links to lists for the politicians of the US, UK, EU, NZ…) h/t Rereke

This is a gambit by the highest orders of bureaucratic power in the West for more power, more money, and virtually no accountability — they’re trying to change the global weather fergoodnesssake. There will always be storms, floods and droughts somewhere in the world. This is not so much about renewable energy as about a renewable cash cow. For people who don’t want to compete in the world of hard business but quite like to be treated as if they were a glorious CEO, this is not bad in the global gravy stakes. There are ego-massaging press conferences, tax deductible trips to Rio, five star hotels, and a “hero” status among the passionate flock of useful idiots.

Part of the trick for such a grand grab is the invisibility of the bill. The bureaucrats sneak silently into bank accounts around the world, a dollar here and a dollar there. Funds come from taxpayers and then through higher electricity, fuel and grocery bills, the money flows from seniors, retired folk, children and the unemployed. Through loans issued by governments and central banks, the payments come through silent inflation, as the value of purchasing power and  currencies fall. The payments are almost never labeled. No product is ever produced that needs to be delivered.  No one gets a bill in the mail to change the weather.

If they did, there would be riots in the streets.

Ban-Ki-Moon, IMF and World Bank leaders and other UN representative for the climate ministerial, April 2015.

Send more money, $89 trillion more.

Mobilizing the Billions and Trillions for Climate Finance

April 18, 2015:

“Over the next 15 years, the global economy will require an estimated $89 trillion in infrastructure investments across cities, energy, and land-use systems, and $4.1 trillion in incremental investment for the low-carbon transition to keep within the internationally agreed limit of a 2 degree Celsius temperature rise.”

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Sessions throughout the 2015 IMF/World Bank Group Spring Meetings brought together voices from all areas of the economy – government, investment, business and civil society – to discuss how to mobilize the trillions of dollars needed globally to address climate change.
  • Putting a price on carbon and phasing out fossil fuel subsidies are two ways governments can free up and increase public funds. Other sessions looked at the roles development banks and central banks can play in encouraging greater investment in low-carbon growth.

With a straight face yesterday the World Bank issued a press release talking about 1.1 billion people without electricity and 2.9 billion  people  reliant on wood and dung for cooking fuel. These are the people who desperately need the cheapest electricity (coal, coal and coal). Whole forests are being razed for dinner, don’t environmentalists want to stop that? Not as much as they want to feed the renewables industry, apparently.

Having paid the pean to the poor, the bureaucrats slide in the need for gold-plated electricity sources like solar and wind, which make no sense for most of the poor, nor as a way to reduce CO2, and never as a way to change the climate. (See why even the Google Engineers gave up on renewables and why the US cut its CO2 emissions by ignoring the Greens.) By any economic or environmental measure, the point of renewables is makes no sense. Could it be that they are (and will be for decades to come) 99% dependent on big-government bureaucrats –  guaranteed lobbyists for more big-government? Look at the way 97% of Australian renewables investment dried up with the subsidies became less certain. The sums are staggering — one hundred billion dollars was wasted in the EU on mismanagement of renewables. At it’s peak, nearly a billion dollars a day was being invested in renewable energy.

NEW YORK, May 18, 2015 PRESS RELEASE

New Report Finds World Progressing on Sustainable Energy Goals But Still Far From Finish Line

The report is the second in a series that tracks the world’s progress toward SE4All’s three goals of universal energy access, doubling the global rate of improvement in energy efficiency, and doubling the share of renewable energy in the global energy mix – all to be met by 2030. While the first edition, released in 2013, measured progress between 1990 and 2010, this edition focuses on 2010 to 2012.

In that two-year period, the number of people without access to electricity declined from 1.2 billion to 1.1 billion, a rate of progress much faster than the 1990-2010 period. In total 222 million people gained access to electricity during this period, higher than the population increase of 138 million people. These gains were concentrated in South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa, and mainly in urban areas. The global electrification rate increased from 83 percent in 2010 to 85 percent in 2012.

But there was less progress on access to clean cooking fuel with 2.9 billion people still using biomass fuels like wood and dung – most of this population clustered in rural areas of Sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia, and eastern Asia.

On the positive side, the share of modern renewable energy (from sources including hydro, solar and wind energy) grew rapidly at 4 percent a year during the tracking period. Modern renewables made up 8.8 percent of total global energy consumption in 2012. Still, to meet the 2030 SE4All objective, the annual growth rate for renewable energy needs to be closer to 7.5 percent.

 *For comparison, at the peak of it’s “climate agenda” The Australian Labor Party had plans to spend $60,000 per Australian by 2050).

h/t to Michael.

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171 comments to Nobel Chutzpah Prize 2015: UN, World Bank need “$89 Trillion” to fix climate

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    john karajas

    Joseph Stalin was a much more honest fundraiser for Communism. He used to rob banks. But even then he was regarded as a hero by sections of Russian society.

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      In 1968, I was lucky enough to go on a school trip (from England) behind the Iron Curtain. Leningrad, as it was then, all the way to Tbilisi. Going along the Trans-Caucasian Highway (a Soviet triumph if ever there was, being metalled for about a mile, and then river bed and rubble, the tarmac being washed away in the first winter floods), we passed, emblazoned and huge on a cliff, in Cyrillic

      “Long Live Stalin”

      Fantastic trip, especially in those “interesting” times; we were in the USSR when the tanks rolled into Prague; not that we knew anything about it, Pravda (wish I had bought a copy) had a headline reading – “Great Victory for Soviet Diplomacy”, bless them. Tho’ in Moscow, whenever we were approached by Czech students, of how there were many at the Uni, within minutes they were marched away, sometimes at gun point.

      Stalin did love a long time. He just kept changing his name. But the Georgians still adored him.

      Apologies for this digression.

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      me@home

      John and Jo, I have to disagree about Jo’s statement that:

      they’re trying to change the global weather fergoodnesssake.

      This obscene money grab is about power not weather.

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        OriginalSteve

        I racked my brains for ages trying to work out the ethics behind the CAGW nonsense, and came to the conclusion that these people have no concept of right or wrong, just the lust for power.

        I think its impossible to try and get a handle on the CAGW mob by using our own moral ( often religious ) standards – the CAGW mob seem to be full of nhilists and communists, as such have a completely different set of “standards”.

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        Denier 58625293

        John Ralston Saul writes about these types of people in his study of The Age of Reason and the reality of politics. These spongers are the same as the courtiers, courtesans, eunuchs and others hanging aeround centres of power since centres of power existied. They invented and ran the witch hunts, inquisitions, pogroms and other cultural cleansings down the ages and made themselves nice and comfy into the bargain.

        They corrupt ratioanal anlysis to their own ends by redefining meanings to travel round and round the mobius strip world they exist in. Lewandowsky, Cook, Flannery and all the others outside Oz are just exemplars of the type.

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          ROM

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          Denier 58625293 @ 1.2.2

          These spongers are the same as the courtiers, courtesans, eunuchs and others hanging aeround centres of power since centres of power existed.
          They invented and ran the witch hunts, inquisitions, pogroms and other cultural cleansings down the ages and made themselves nice and comfy into the bargain.

          A really excellent historical analogy that is most applicable to our times and one that is applicable to much of what passes today for international governance including the UN as well as the all pervasive, unaccountable, thoroughly obnoxious, profusely proliferating and society destroying Non Government Organisations.

          They corrupt ratioanal anlysis to their own ends by redefining meanings to travel round and round the mobius strip world they exist in.
          Lewandowsky, Cook, Flannery and all the others outside Oz are just exemplars of the type.

          A succinct summing up applying to all of the hubris laden, power lusting, proto-dictators of the courtesans and courtiers, eunuchs and court jesters of today’s UN and it’s running dogs from the NGO based pseudo environmental organisations ,

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          Annie

          That is a very apt analysis.

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    Joe

    They are certainly mind blowing numbers. Add on top of that the monies the UN seeks for its other ‘roles’ like ‘peace keeping’ and ‘health’ and ‘whatever’ and the numbers are plain crazy.
    There is a lot of expectation that African nations should just somehow adopt/be given/obtain the most state of the art coal power generators and presumably a modern distribution system. Surely that is simply viewing the ‘problem’ from a colonialist point of view. What would be a natural course of growth for African nations? Certainly the modern world nations have all slowly evolved through a range of technologies, indeed having benefited well from wood fires, water mills and wind mills ourselves. Not all nations have developed at the same rate; China is a good example of that. So why would African nations not be allowed a development path similar to that which we followed? Why the imperative to keep up with the Jones?
    Many of these poorer nations are not looking for televisions and refrigerators and all the trappings of the modern world but would benefit hugely from simple technologies like a single light source to use at night to read and study by. Jo, if you were charged with helping out a small village of say 10 families in ten huts with some basic ‘electricity’ in the short term, what would you choose? Now if those same families were to wait for our modern coal fired and distributed grid electricity or even the UN’s wind or whatever, when would they likely to be able to switch on a single light at night?
    Surely the issue of scale and time frames are relevant.
    Hey, maybe they will one day all have cheap coal fired stations and a huge grid but there is still a meantime and I think they could benefit from some smaller scale help and technology without upsetting the evolution of a modern nation by taking a colonial-master approach which will inevitably result in the West taking hold of all the mineral resources of the nations in return.

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      ghl

      Hi Joe
      For isolated villages you may have a point, but as a consumer of solar garden lights, I suggest you budget for continual replacement.
      For any city, centralised grid is far cheaper and easier to maintain. They can afford educated specialists

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      Cameron

      They need to look at how nations such as Australia first developed their electricity infrastructure. Small scale coal/gas fired power stations were set up by individual towns. These were then expanded as more wealth was created from the increased electricity supply and on it went. It is now possible to by small modular power station for both gas and coal. These are easily installed and simple to operate. With respect to poles and wires. A lot this, in the early days in QLD at least, was actually run using existing trees to string the power lines up to.

      All of these things are possible if the local people are allowed to have a bit of hap hazard low standard development in the same way the western nations originally did.

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    Roy Hogue

    Only $89 trillion? We could raise that trivial amount by passing the hat around at the world bank. They talk real big so I think they must have the money — let those schemers put a hand in their own pockets to come up with that $89 trillion.

    Or let them shut up and be silent for a change. Better yet, get rid of them.

    An obnoxious bunch at best, thieves at worst. :-(

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      Roy Hogue

      The rest of us should flat out refuse to take on the responsibility being proposed. It simply cannot work.

      Unfortunately history shows that the money is likely to be allocated and spent with very little to show for it.

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      So true. They just don’t know how deep they can dig into our pockets with all their crazy, wasteful schemes:

      Project funding is assured as international citizen Christine Lagarde, known for her money making abilities within the IMF, has graciously accepted the role of financial manager for the giga-project, estimated to cost around €800-billion. EU and IMF funding is much easier with a renewable energy project than e.g. building the 400 coal-fired power stations in Africa for which the same money could pay. Lagarde’s deputy, Connie Hedegaard said, reading from a prepared statement, that “Reducing carbon addiction in the developed world is more important for the environment than providing electricity to people who’ve never seen it before. Were those fossil-fuelled power stations built in Africa, hundreds of millions of innocent Africans could become addicted to carbon-based, cheap, reliable and plentiful energy, accelerating the climate catastrophe.”

      Lagarde added that once the first €100-billion had been loaned, that further loans would be inevitable to assure the successful outcome projected for the first €100-billion.

      OK. I made up that whole story. But it illustrates the mentality; the arrogance and the missionary zeal.

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        Just-A-Guy

        Bernd Felsche,

        And yet . . .

        As I read your fine piece of ‘political fiction’. I could easily imagine the protagonist in the story believing in her heart the ‘reality’ of the situation you describe. Outwardly though, her beliefs would be couched in ‘UN climate speak’ and ‘neo-politically correct’ talking points.

        Some examples:

        In order to achieve long term sustainable energy suplies for the poor and underdeveloped nations, we need to promote the use of clean energy and curb the continued pollution of our biosphere by ‘dirty’ fossil fuels.

        It’s amazing what you can do with words when you turture them into submission.

        Abe

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        Yonniestone

        Yes we simply cannot have needy people becoming addicted to carbon, carbon based food should also be removed as they might develop an addiction to existing and being high functioning neo-bureaucrats with the spoils of all technology for our needs we know what’s best for this extremely fragile planet we are sanctioned by Gaia to protect. SARC/.

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        Roy Hogue

        “Reducing carbon addiction in the developed world is more important for the environment than providing electricity to people who’ve never seen it before.

        Made up or not, Bernd, you’ve hit the heart of the matter. How can a species made out of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen be addicted to carbon? Ignorance personified!

        Worse than that. Even if stated more sensibly, which they don’t, addicted to a less complex hydrocarbon molecule that literally runs the engine that makes us a relatively safe and secure society compared with our past, makes as much sense as saying we’re addicted to water. Of course we are. Where are their heads?

        Humans have stuck with everything that advanced their individual and collective security and lifestyle from the discovery of fire thousands of years ago to the discovery of petroleum in the 19th century. Why would we change? We wouldn’t.

        When there were problems like air pollution from cars we went to work to solve those problems. But we never, until global warming was invented, thought once about giving up what enabled the best, most secure standard of living the world has ever known. And we aren’t going to do it now.

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      Dennis

      How could they continue to operate as an unelected world government with no taxing powers without donations?

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        If any western state fails to cough up with the cash when demanded, they become a pariah state, which essentially means that you don’t get a christmas card from Ban.

        But it is not about money. It is about energy, and who has access to it. Energy is becoming the new currency. CO2 emissions are a surrogate for energy supply, and are a mechanism for conversion of currency into energy.

        But given that the UN Bureaucrats are all (with a few exceptions) either Communists, or did their political time in national left-of-center political parties or activist organisations, what we are witnessing here, and right now, is a Communist/Socialist revolution. A revolution does not need tanks in the streets, and the mob waving flags. They just need to control the supply of goods and services, which they can achieve, by manipulating the energy supply. If people are hungry and do not have access to energy, they will align themselves with those who can provide food and warmth.

        Once they can control the supply of goods and services, and the energy supply, we will find that climate change will mysteriously disappear, and cease to be an issue, at least for those who toe the line of the new world order.

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      Oh who will bell the cat(A$$trophe)of U N
      top-down-back-to-the-dark-ages economies?
      Oh Schumpeter …
      Oh Orwell…
      Oh Socrates…
      S-O-S!

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      Rohan

      Did the UN state what currency they need the $89,000,000,000,000 in?

      If not, I’m happy to send them one of these little numbers just to shut them up.

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        Roy Hogue

        I think they might like it in Obama-bucks, i.e., that unit of exchange that you can get more of by running a printing press for a few hours.

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    Robert O

    Having paid this enormous amount of money to keep the world to a 2 degree rise in temperature, is there any guarantee given that:
    a. it is needed in the first place (remember there hasn’t been any for 18 years)
    b. restriction of carbon dioxide will prevent a rise in global temperature by more than 2 degrees (no correlation observed between levels of CO2 and global temperature)
    c. if the world cools naturally by itself, or the money fails to stop the warming, do we get our money back.

    Any invester would surely like to see more detail before spending a razoo, though governments don’t seem to go into the same amount of due diligence.

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      OriginalSteve

      I think the idea is that the world economy will become so crippled by this that people are flat out finding food to eat for thier kids that the New Soviet Empire is the least of their worries.

      Now if you lok at the spate of gun control attempts ( an d some successes ) in western countries for some time, you can understand why they have been madly disarming people ( under UN principles, effectively ) because when push comes to shove and people have starving kids, you know how eventually it will go.

      I can ( unfortuantely ) see politicans & UN reps eventually executed in the streets as people starve. History tells us how it will go. And no, I do not in anyway condone such action.

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        Another Ian

        Steve

        And no one will have the means to call bs if the 2 degree mark doesn’t happen and quiz the gravy trainers

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        Oksanna

        I think you underestimate what complex, chameleon-like beings constituency the masterminds and hangers-on of the millennial climate scam. No, they will never be on the receiving end of the justifiable anger of a cold and starving public. Rather, this is the type that reinvents itself, that takes charge of the mob, that coins the victim’s derogatory moniker, that convenes the kangaroo court of the people, that hands down the summary judgement, that “saves” the world. As Denier 58625293 said above, it has always been thus.

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        Who Else

        Once the level of control is achieved lo & behold the homogenized data will show it is working and support the need for the ‘efforts’ to continue so as to ensure we never again face the scourge of climate change.

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    TdeF

    So all the money in the world to stop something which stopped 20 years ago, assuming it was not just an instrument error in the first place? Sounds fair.

    The scare was +0.5C in 10 years, so using presumably advanced computer models, a projected +5C in 100 years.

    It has now been 30 years, 20 without change and the projected increase using the same advanced mathematics is +1.6C in 100 years.

    So unless something changes, we will be well within the internationally agreed limit of a 2 degree Celsius temperature rise without doing anything? Or do Christine LaGarde or Christiana Fugueres know something no one else knows?

    Perhaps under Newtons’s famous ‘precautionary principle’, we should hand all the world economies to the UN and they could rule the planet as unelected communist dictators. Also very fair.

    Will that fix the problem? Yes. The problem will vanish as if it never existed.

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    Spetzer86

    On National Public Radio here in the USA they were talking about the heating and cooking challenges in poor countries. That transitioned into how great the mini-solar cell companies were at helping these poor people rent small solar panels. These little panels can charge cell phones and run small LED lights while the sun is out or the battery holds up. There’s also a little switch the companies can throw from the UK to turn the things off if the people don’t pay up.

    In no way are these little panels helping with the original issues of cooking or heat, yet the story was obviously trying to link them. The politics and “moral outrage” are going to get really crazy before Paris rolls around.

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    Ruairi

    The U.N.needs cash in advance,
    In trillions as climate finance,
    Which should go a long way,
    As some cynics might say,
    To pay for their junket in France.

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      Just-A-Guy

      Ruairi,

      You Limricked:

      To pay for their junket in France.

      And all the junkets between now and then.

      And they probably won’t get the agreement they want in Paris, so they’ll need to pay for all of next years junkets too, they do need to keep flogging that horse, you know.

      Even if they somehow pull together some kind of climate deal, there’ll still be details to iron out, so of course, even more junkets.

      I wonder if they call them junkets because all they ever produce is more JUNK!

      Abe

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    William Astley

    We are at the end of the end. Which paradigm will change first?

    1) Public and politician ‘Green Scam Epiphany’: Green scams do not work. Only viable solution (considers engineering and economic reality) to significantly reduction CO2 emissions by let say 40% is a complete conversion to nuclear power and draconian measures such as banning tourism air travel. Public and politicians will not support CAGW Stalinism. Anti CAWG parties are elected. End of public/politician support for CAGW.

    2) There are no Fiscal Magic Wands Epiphany. Fiscal ‘can’ cannot be kicked further down the road. Deficit spending eventually leads to economic chaos, riots, and protests. CAGW is abandoned as finite, limited, public money is required for pensions, health care, roads, schools, public employee salaries, social security, developing country aid, defense, and so on. There is no surplus money to be spent on green scams that do not work (significantly reduce CO2) and regardless reducing anthropogenic CO2 has zero effect on climate and almost no effect on atmospheric CO2 levels. End of public/politician support for CAGW/green scams.

    3) What caused Glacial/interglacial Cycle Epiphany. Planet abruptly cools, atmospheric CO2 drops. The entire scientific premise of the IPCC reports was incorrect. Public panic. End of public/politician support for CAGW/greens scams. Most important scientific breakthrough in the history of science, related to the physics of how solar changes cause what is observed.

    http://notrickszone.com/2015/02/04/germanys-energiewende-leading-to-suicide-by-cannibalism-huge-oversupply-risks-destabilization/#sthash.8tE9YRDj.PSllYaQF.dpbs

    The coming age of power cannibalism…Germany on the verge of committing energy suicide

    (William: Germany has more than 100% green scam energy maximum nameplate capacity Vs full Germany energy requirements. Actual average energy green scam energy is 20%. Wind power varies as the cube root of wind speed. Wind farm output varies 20% in an hour. German consumers pay three times more for electricity than Americans. Germany has reached the engineering limit of green scam madness. Storage is required to reduce CO2 further using the green scams.)

    Yet Germany has a unique peculiarity: its leaders sometimes exhibit a stunning inability to recognize when the time has come to abandon a lost cause. So far €500 billion (William: €500 billion is $750 billion US) has already been invested in the “Energiewende”, which is clearly emerging as a failure. Yet all political parties continue to throw their full weight behind the policy rather than admitting it is a failure (which would be tantamount to political suicide). Instead, the current government coalition has even decided to shift into an even higher gear on the path to achieving its objective of generating 80% of German electric power from “renewable” sources by 2050. If the situation is practically unmanageable now with 25% renewable energy (William: Note that the Germans are receiving 25% of their electrical power from green scams, the actual carbon reduction is only 15% to 25% due to requirement to turn on/off/on/off single cycle natural gas power plants rather than to run combine cycle more efficient power plants (20% more efficient which explains why actual CO2 emission reduction is less than 20% not 25% which is one of many CAGW lies.) that take 10 hours to start and that are hence left on for weeks), it’ll be an uncontrollable disaster when (if) it reaches 80%.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Money-Runs-Out-Affluence/dp/0300205236

    When the Money Runs Out: The End of Western Affluence
    …Praised for the “dose of realism” he provided in his book Losing Control, King follows up in this volume with a plain-spoken assessment of where the West stands today. It’s not just the end of an age of affluence, he shows. We have made promises to ourselves that are only achievable through ongoing economic expansion. The future benefits we expect – pensions, healthcare and social security, for example – may be larger than tomorrow’s resources. And if we reach that point, which promises will be broken and who will lose out? The lessons of history offer compelling evidence that political and social upheaval are often born of economic stagnation. …

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      toorightmate

      Look here you folk, it’s the UN we are dealing with.
      Forget about the billions. It is now in the multiples of trillions – the big league!

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    Tom O

    I’ve said it before, and I will say it again, I will take the loonies seriously when they talk about “saving the world.” when they announce the next teleconference in which they will be discussing how to save the world, and not the next “working conference” in some out of the way vacation spot. Until they show me they are serious about cutting back on “carbon pollution” by parking the jets and warming up the laptops, they are just scammers looking for a “fat cat ticket.”

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      OriginalSteve

      There is no difference in this to the Soviet Politburo who lived in luxury while “the workers” lived in very rustic accomodation and queded for bread…..

      Some Commies are more equal than others…..

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    Dave in the states

    This just shows what it is really all about, and what it has been all about all along.

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      Graeme No.3

      Look at the picture; what sort of scientist goes to a Conference wearing a white coat?

      Or was he only posing for the picture?

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    richard

    not one of those blood sucking leeches actually adds to the wealth of the world , they suck it dry.

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    Tim

    If they bankrupt the middle class, it leaves only the masters and the slaves. Perfect.

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      Dennis

      All would be equal in the new world order, but some would be more equal than most others.

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    Gerry

    That amount of money would just about cover the cost of sending up some space stations with huge umbrellas that could be opened and shut by astronaut dudes as directed by solar flare type experts down on earth ….solar flares are man made because they increase when the temperature increases and we know that the temperature increases because of mankinds actions …

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    BilB

    Jo, your headline is not at all what the world bank concluded. The 89 trillion is total infrastructure investment, investment that must happen regardless to protect the interests of the wealthy 1 percent. The investment specific to renewable energy would be as low as 4.1 trillion “if done well”.

    Also, I doubt that you actually read the Google article past the first para or two. If you had you would have seen that the two engineers concluded that the solution was a distributed energy production structure exactly as I have argued for extensively here over a long period.

    In other news can you please talk to your partner David Evans with a view for to arrange a speeding up of his impending ice age, as the Antartic is demonstrating a preference for accelerated melting.

    http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/05/antarctic-larsen-c-ice-shelf-at-risk-of-collapse-study-warns/

    The change is so dramatic that only a notch filter can prevent it, if Global Climate Action falters.

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      The $89 Trillion is an ambit claim (as I said in the first line) for the sake of the PR effect. “Chutzpah” sums that up exactly in the headline.

      The World Bank and UN fantasize that the world might direct $89 Trillion towards the infrastructure and industries etc that they recommend. That’s a power play — they want to be the conduit and controller directing a river of money.

      We don’t “have” to remake our energy systems and infrastructure according to their definition of sustainable. There is no economic, moral or environmental reason to prop up the hopelessly inefficient renewables industry. It won’t change the climate. We can achieve bigger CO2 cuts through supercritical coal upgrades (not that that will change the climate either).

      A tiny fraction of $89 trillion dollars can reward very vocal 99% dependent industries, friends, patrons, etc etc. It is a sure bet that almost none of the people receiving that gravy will argue and lobby for smaller taxes, less regulation and a real free market in anything anywhere.

      PS: Check where the volcanoes are under the Antarctic. David Evans is amazing, but I’m pretty sure he can’t control those.

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        Bill

        We said, Jo. Stick to your guns!

        PS,for BilB, if the arctic and antarctic ice paks are “melting”, why does the real data show they are GROWING? Forget the falsified NOAA and NASA publications, the real data (sat & earth truth) have completely discredited their politicized nonsense.

        It is my understanding that the ice shelf is NOT collapsing but, due to its increased size, about to “calve” (break away) – a perfectly NATURAL event and process. Just where did you think icebergs came from, the iceberg fairy?

        Perhaps somebody could publish a worst case evaluation along the following lines:

        1. all ice in the world melts simultaneously and is deposited directly & equally into the oceans with none being diverted to lakes, ponds, streams, atmosphere, etc.
        2. Given the above assumption, what is the new sea level worldwide? Show your calculations so they can be verified independantly. You will need to use geophysical data and charts as well. Don’t bother discussing salinity etc, just cover the physical sea level change. Accuracy counts!

        If the proponents of this sad failing religion can’t even provide that data, why should we trust anything they say?

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          Slywolfe

          1. all ice in the world melts simultaneously and is deposited directly & equally into the oceans with none being diverted to lakes, ponds, streams, atmosphere, etc.

          Life on Earth would become adjusted (adapted?) to a new environment that may include humans as a minor species. That seems to be the Greenie objective anyway, so they could claim success. Of course that assumes humans can survive at all without technological advantages.

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      James Bradley

      BilB,

      It’s a glacier – https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/glaciers/questions/what.html

      “Glaciers are made up of fallen snow that, over many years, compresses into large, thickened ice masses. Glaciers form when snow remains in one location long enough to transform into ice. What makes glaciers unique is their ability to move. Due to sheer mass, glaciers flow like very slow rivers. Some glaciers are as small as football fields, while others grow to be dozens or even hundreds of kilometers long.”

      - that’s what they do.

      But if you’re really frightened – https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/glaciers/questions/what.html

      “Within the past 750,000 years, scientists know that there have been eight Ice Age cycles, separated by warmer periods called interglacial periods. Currently, the Earth is nearing the end of an interglacial, meaning that another Ice Age is due in a few thousand years. This is part of the normal climate variation cycle. Scientists still have many questions to answer about climate change. Although glaciers change very slowly over long periods, they may provide important global climate change signals.”

      The Actic permafrost is thawing and releasing methane from frozen organic matter.

      Say, BilB, how did all that organic matter get there in the first place do you suppose?

      Now repeat after me:

      We are in an interglacial period.
      I will not be frightened anymore by the false climate science.
      I will not spread the false consensus and the fake psychology.
      I will return all the money I stole from gullible tax payers.

      ps BilB, those climate change signals in the last paragraph – logic dictates they are 1.4 billion years old.

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      Yonniestone

      And there it is, we’ll never know if Bilb is a true believer or paid activist but it matters not, in the end results a fool or a dysfunctional person will both contribute to the “Chutzpah Cause” with equal input as all components of a machine are vital to it’s successful operation.

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      Mark D.

      BilB, I’m sure that you don’t believe there will be anyone UNfairly profiting from all that money going around do you?

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      Winston

      Bilb,

      Are you really so naive as to believe that the World Bank or the IMF have the diligence, the expertise or the trustworthiness to be allowed to rape and pillage the middle classes of the developed world to the tune of $89 trillion?

      Many if not most of these parasites are ex-alumni of Goldman Sachs or JPMorgan Chase, and have a proven track record of entrenching third world poverty through strings attached loans that make these poorer countries ripe for exploitation. And yet you are happy to allow them to insert their filthy hands into our pockets with impunity and without oversight?

      By 2030, do you really think that some renewable utopia will be enacted? Will we have anything to show for this “investment” at all? A sucker really is born every minute Bilb, and I think they have you in their sights.

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        OriginalSteve

        A prediction:

        Within the next 10-15 years, we will have either an external “threat” or internal “threat” that will require the complete disarming of all individuals of any form of protection whatsoever.

        At that point, the hammerfall will be very close, and we will have imposition of Martial Law for our “protection” – of course.

        A few people I know are convinced the UNs disarmament program isnt aimed at stemming the trade in small arms world wide, but rather a smokescreen to impose gun control on all nations world wide. Gun control is the precursor to genocide, so says historical precedent.

        Some of the writings of occultist Alice Bailey expressly point out that the UN was to be the sole owner and user of nuclear weapons. Its worth remembering this is a religious war as mcuh as anything else – the UN “believers” vs the “heathen”.

        “The Atomic bomb does not belong to the three nations who perfected it … It belongs to the United Nations, for use or threatened use …” ["The Externalisation of the Hierarchy", Alice Bailey, p. 548, written May 1946]

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3481633.stm

        ‘The world must drop the idea that nuclear weapons are fine in the hands of some countries and bad in the hands of others … We must abandon the unworkable notion that it is morally reprehensible for some countries to pursue weapons of mass destruction yet morally acceptable for others to rely on them for security — and indeed to continue to refine their capacities and postulate plans for their use’.”

        Assuming this comes to pass, you can clearly see the desire for the UN to become a world govt and world “Sheriff”

        The UN has a problem – it has no cash beyond what “gullible” govts give it. The 89 trillion, even if obtaining part of it were possible through the CAGW deception, could fund the UN as a world govt, nicely.

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      Winston

      Bilb,

      Are you really so naive as to believe that the World Bank or the IMF have the diligence, the expertise or the trustworthiness to be allowed to rape and pillage the middle classes of the developed world to the tune of $89 trillion?

      Many if not most of these parasites are ex-alumni of Goldman Sachs or JPMorgan Chase, and have a proven track record of entrenching third world poverty through strings attached loans that make these poorer countries ripe for exploitation. And yet you are happy to allow them to insert their filthy hands into our pockets with impunity and without oversight?

      By 2030, do you really think that some renewable utopia will be enacted? Will we have anything to show for this “investment” at all? A sucker really is born every minute Bilb, and I think they have you in their sights.

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      Rick Will

      The increased rate of calving on the east side of Antarctica is due to the increased pressure from all the additional ice on that side – 500 billion tonnes in the last decade.

      I am not certain how anyone measures an increase this small but NASA claim they can to this accuracy and ice volume is rising in the east and falling in the west. Something to do with variable weather patterns. Certainly nothing to do with man made CO2 in the atmosphere.

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      Michael

      @BilB
      The article says “Over the next 15 years…”. 89 divided by 15 = 6 trillion per year. The World Bank refers to Chapter 6 of the World Resources Institute / Felipe Calderon ‘New Carbon Economy’ report.

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    Svend Ferdinandsen

    “1.1 billion people without electricity and 2.9 billion people reliant on wood and dung for cooking fuel”

    We can’t have these peoble burning all the biomass just for heating and cooking. It is much more needed in the developed world to fire our powerstations and eventual cars, so that we can polish our green credentials.
    It is too simple to burn wood in private homes for household needs, it must be done in large powerstations to be real green.
    It is a strange world to live in now. How has it come to that?

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      Leonard Lane

      Svend, you state “It is a strange world to live in now. How has it come to that?”.
      I am sure there is no single answer, but, I suspect the majority of the political push for such gross and loony government policies comes from people around the developed world voting for leftists, for socialists, and communists (and greens infest all of these insane political parties). In other words, the people usually bring such things on themselves by demanding more and more from a bigger and bigger government. The politicians on the left are the ones most eager to supply those things for votes. They and the voters who support them simply cannot understand basic mathematics and common sense that say bigger government is worse than smaller government and that government can never “give” anything to one person without “taking” it from another. When too many people want to take away the funds, property, and freedom of those private individuals producing wealth, then the decline is inevitable.

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    Bill

    Absolutely NOT!

    I refuse to pay for this bloody scam and continually demand that my government NOT support it in any way, regardless of the demands by the brainwashed fools south of us (Obama & co).

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    Whilst making up financial figures, the UN does not follow through on the emissions figures to save the world from warming.
    The IPCC Synthesis report page 10 gives the real context of the 2C of warming.

    The 2C of warming comes from cumulative emissions since 1870 of 2900 GtCO2 (with a range of 2550 to 3150 GtCO2 depending on non-CO2 drivers). About 1900 GtCO2 had already been emitted by 2011.

    Annual GHG emissions are about 50 GtCO2 (page 5), increasing by 2-3% a year. Assuming a mega agreement in Paris in December, the target is to cap cumulative future emissions (i.e. from Jan 2020 when agreements will come into force) to between 2.5 and 14 years of forecast 2015 emissions (or 200 to 800 GtCO2). China, on pure CO2 emissions, produces about 10 GtCO2 a year and that is growing. It has said that growth will stop by by 2030, by which time it will have emitted 140 GtCO2 from 2020. India has no such firm targets, preferring economic growth based on fossil fuels. By 2030 India will have emitted 45 GtCO2. USA on current (reducing) trends 50 GtCO2; the rest of the OECD 50 GtCO2; ex Warsaw Pact countries 35 GtCO2; Africa 20 GtCO2; Rest of Asia 65 GtCO2; and ROW (mostly Central & South America) 20 GtCO2. Other GHG emissions (if unchanged) would be 150 GtCO2.
    Total emissions from 2020 to 2030 I estimate at around 575 GtCO2.
    Lowering these forecasts to country level, you can start create proper planning by giving each country its budgeted share of cumulative emissions as a basis for negotiation for the climate talks. If any country does not play ball, then it is up to the others to make up the difference. The precautionary principle of course dictates that that talks should aim for the 150GtCO2 cumulative emissions figure post 2020 or about a 25% reduction each year globally from a 2019 baseline.

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    Peter Miller

    $89 trillion to turn our species into lemmings, bent on (economic) suicide.

    Sigh…………..

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      Yonniestone

      It’s an expensive game this Socialism, the outlay for the equipment is the real killer…..

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        OriginalSteve

        I find it hard to believe the US could be conquered by this mob, unless they basically starved thye population into submission like Stalin did ( is that the reason for pushing non-reseeding GMO crops and the artic seed valuts? )

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    Another Ian

    Hmm! Maybe they don’t

    “Greens to gross-out over Gaia gains

    DateMay 19, 2015
    CategoryGreens

    I commend to readers this brilliant article by Jesse Ausubel at the Breakthrough Institute blog.

    Despite predictions of runaway ecological destruction, beginning in the 1970s, Americans began to consume less and tread more lightly on the planet. Over the past several decades, through technological innovation, Americans now grow more food on less acres, eat more sources of meat that are less land-intrusive, and used water more efficiently so that water use is lower than in 1970. The result: lands that were once used for farms and logging operations are now returning as forests and grasslands, along with wildlife, such as the return of humpback whales off the shores of New York City (pictured above). As Jesse Ausubel elucidates in a new essay for Breakthrough Journal, as humans depend less on nature for the well-being, the more nature they have returned.

    Wow. Things are getting better for Gaia. Environmentalists are going to hate this.”

    From
    http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2015/5/19/greens-to-gross-out-over-gaia-gains.html

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    Peter Crawford

    Joanne.

    Is it Ok if I call Prof Michael E. Mann a ghastly little gnome again?

    [Let us not go there. We do not wish to get Jo into any trouble, do we?] Fly

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    bemused

    They know that the entire climate scam is becoming a meaningless joke, so why not take it as far as it can go.

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    ROM

    The UN wants $89 trilion dollars to fix the climate.

    The IMF [ International Monetary Fund ] data says that in 2015 the total of the entire WORLD GDP will be $74,551 billion dollars. ie; $74.551 trillion.
    This figure is based on current currency exchange rates which reflect other significant factors in addition to the value of goods and services that can be purchased.

    In PPP ie; “Purchasing Power Parity” values; the total of the US dollar value of the identical goods and services that can purchased in each country as distinct from the currency based GDP, PPP reflecting the real purchasing power in actual goods and services of each currency unit [ dollars, Pounds etc ] , the Global GDP is given as $112,552 trillion.

    The UN in effect is demanding that a sum greater than the entire estimated 2015 Global GDP be handed over to it to fight “climate change”.

    Which reflects in turn the totally unreal, increasingly parasitic , grossly overpaid elite bureacrat infested and ever more dictatorial power lusting and power grabbing UN has become and just how far removed and how increasingly far from the reality of from the real world that ordinary people live in it has become.

    The UN is well down the path of self destruction as a new political generation which owes nothing to the old WW2 United Nations and has no personal exposure to either the conflicts of the WW2 or to the hideous pressures of the near hot, nuclear armed confrontations of the “cold war” of the 50′s, 60′s, 70′s and 80′s emerges on the world political scenes.

    Demands such as this completely irrational mafia like standover tactic by the UN and it’s infestation of innumerable power lusting, power hungry NGO’s who are using the UN brand as a tool to enforce their own parasitic and hate filled and warped ideologies onto the nations of the Earth will mean that sometime in the not so distant future the UN will be bypassed almost completely and driven into the backwaters of international negotiations as it will be seen to have become just another tool of the increasingly civilisation destroying NGO’s and the minor dictator ruled nations and an obstacle to the meshing of the big boy’s international interests.
    It will only be resurrected briefly on occassions only if and when it suits the big international players.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I agree. It really is quite tedious.

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      ROM

      To place the UN’s ambit claim of 89 Trillion dollars to “fix the climate” against the size of the Australian economy’s GDP;

      In 2014 Australia’s GDP in US dollars was US $1,560 billion dollars ie; US $1.560 trillion dollars.

      _________________

      DEFINITION of ‘Gross Domestic Product – GDP’

      The monetary value of all the finished goods and services produced within a country’s borders in a specific time period, though GDP is usually calculated on an annual basis. It includes all of private and public consumption, government outlays, investments and exports less imports that occur within a defined territory.

      GDP = C + G + I + NX

      where:

      “C” is equal to all private consumption, or consumer spending, in a nation’s economy.
      “G” is the sum of government spending.
      “I” is the sum of all the country’s businesses spending on capital.
      “NX” is the nation’s total net exports, calculated as total exports minus total imports. (NX = Exports – Imports)

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    David C

    Recently, Kofi Annan stated that we should all start consuming bugs, rather than meat (or words to that effect). Presumably, bugs will feature on all menus in Paris later this year. Have designated restaurants started their farming and harvesting yet?

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      Matty

      Look, you can’t get a decently cooked steak in Paris. They are mostly boiled, bland and barely beyond raw on the inside. London is only a short just over 2 hours away by train though and Eurostar prices have started rising already

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        RoHa

        Have you ever tried getting a pie floater in Paris?

        Where food is concerned, the place is unliveable. A scrap of undercooked meat, a few slivers of almost raw veg, and a little puddle of weird gravy.

        And the bread is a tube of thin concrete with a bit of cotton wool inside.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      … we should all start consuming bugs, rather than meat …

      Bugs are meat. What else does Kofi Annan think they consist of? I have eaten bug stew, in the Middle East. “Bland and crunchy”, is the way I would describe it. Hardly cordon blu.

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    Safetyguy66

    Just had to check the date and make sure its not April 1st.

    Then I realised every day is April 1st to these people isn’t it.

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    Matty

    Global bureaucrats are happy to lecture us on how much more tax we should be paying while we pay their Tax Free salaries & benefits packages. http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2012/05/30/imfs-christine-lagarde-i-dont-pay-taxes-but-you-should/ Most UN workers don’t pay tax. Most UN workers aren’t paid very much, but the bureaucrats at the top, trying to reshape the World Economy don’t pay Taxes either. Nice work if you can get it.

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      C.J.Richards

      ” Putting a price on carbon and phasing out fossil fuel subsidies are two ways governments can free up and increase public funds.”

      Phasing out top bureaucrats tax free salaries would be another way.
      In fact phasing them out altogether would already solve half the Worlds problems at a stroke and let the rest of us get on with solving real problems instead of the ones they draw up.

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      C.J.Richards

      ” Putting a price on carbon and phasing out fossil fuel subsidies are two ways governments can free up and increase public funds.”

      Phasing out top bureaucrats tax free salaries would be another way.
      In fact phasing them out altogether would already solve half the Worlds problems at a stroke and let the rest of us get on with solving real problems instead of the ones they draw up.

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      Ava Plaint

      It’s not their money they’re handing out. It should be called the Other Peoples Monetary Fund.

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    TdeF

    In Australia, “The Clean Energy Regulator, appearing at a Senate wind turbine inquiry, said it would be necessary and possible to build 1000 wind turbines in the next five years based on “known existing approved projects’’.

    This is a Labor/Green joke. Of course their pet department would recommend a thousand new windmills. Otherwise there is no point in the existence of the Clean Energy Regulator and all their jobs depend on this. Everyone in the windmill business is very excited, from Germany to China. They said so.

    In Egypt 4500 years ago, the Pyramid Building council announced the near simultaneous building of two new pyramids, on the precautionary principle and the demands of the builders to avoid the ‘pyramid gap’. These were both at the new steep angle of 54 degrees. Unfortunately the one at Meidum collapsed when half complete, so the other changed to the old angle of 47 degrees. It is known as the bent pyramid.

    After 200 years of furious pyramid building, they suddenly stopped. Much had been achieved at enormous cost. It made many people rich and created a new world order. Then the Egyptians forgot who built them and why.

    So we have done it again. Another 1,000 windmills for Australia and the job for life of the Council for building Pyramids Windmills. You just wonder if the country could not have done something more useful.

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      Owen Morgan

      It used to be reckoned that the Northern Pyramid at Dahshur was one of Sneferu’s, as well, which was plausible, because it was constructed at such a cautious angle, and that there’s even a fourth pyramid of his, somewhere, but I can’t remember where. Not being an Egyptologist, I don’t know if that is still the thinking.

      Either way, it’s a very apt analogy. On the face of it, those Amarna-period images of altars, as far as the eye can see, lavishly laden with sacrifices, would seem even more appropriate, since Amarna involved starving the living, to appease the deity. There again, the Amarna deity was the sun and 97% of [see Cook about this bit] prefer to believe that the sun has no effect on our climate.

      And what did Byron write?

      Let not a monument give you or me hopes,
      Since not a pinch of dust remains of Cheops.

      As you say, there was a reason that the pyramid-building craze was short-lived.

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      TdeF mentions this: (my bolding)

      In Australia, “The Clean Energy Regulator, appearing at a Senate wind turbine inquiry, said it would be necessary and possible to build 1000 wind turbines in the next five years based on “known existing approved projects’’.

      Sure they can.(/sarc)

      One thousand wind towers, at the average 2.5MW per tower, so that’s 2,500MW Nameplate, so that’s five Huge scale wind plants, at the current cost of $2 Billion each, so only $10 Billion.

      Hey, that’s, umm, doable! (again /sarc)

      So, when they are finished in that five year period (yeah, dream on) the power which ALL of them will supply across a whole year is the same amount of power delivered by the single four unit plant at Bayswater in, umm, 137 days.

      And when all these brand spanking new towers, still five years away from construction, well, when they are nothing but rusting silent hulks at the end of their life, Bayswater will still be humming along, still delivering all its available power.

      Oh the humanity!

      Tony.

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        TdeF

        Stonehenge was also a neolithic power plant built at a National cost. The fact that it didn’t do anything misses the point. It was a great achievement in a time of great need. So were the Easter Island statues. Green politicians dream of such greatness. Gaia will provide.

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          handjive

          TdeF.
          With greatest respect,

          “Stonehenge was also a neolithic power plant built at a National cost. The fact that it didn’t do anything misses the point.”

          “Planning and liaison between communities (pasthorizens.com, May12, 2015):

          This is the first stone circle to be discovered on the high moor for well over 100 years and it fits in well with the pattern of a “sacred” arc of similar stone circles, located around the north eastern perimeter of Dartmoor.
          This pattern suggests some kind of planning and liaison between the communities living on Dartmoor in the late Neolithic/early Bronze Age 5,000-4,000 years ago.”
          . . .
          We don’t really know what these neolithic people where doing, only speculate.
          But what ever it was, it required some form of mathematics and engineering.

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            TdeF

            So do windmills. It doesn’t mean they make sense or ever did.

            In 100 years when the windmills are old, frozen, rusting and the world is debating what to do with them before they fall over, the chickens will come home to roost. Along with 60,000 tons of neodymium.

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              handjive

              Hey TdeF,

              I agree that these stone monuments contribute nothing to anything.
              Even the Egyptian pyramids, supposedly built as tombs, don’t do anything to advance society, though we can’t build them today with the tools they used, let-alone today we need a gantry crane the size of a football field or two.
              A gross mismanagement of riches by any current standards.

              But, worldwide, from the Americas, to Myanmar, to Turkey, Rome, the British Isles and Middle East, they all seem to have one thing in common, alignment with the heavens and movement of the stars over the long, long count, with devices designed and built to measure & last a long, long time. That they have achieved.
              I only have respect and wonder at their achievements.
              (that’s if we have correctly deciphered the information collected).

              > “So do windmills. It doesn’t mean they make sense or ever did.”

              Greens say windmills are the future, but, it is reversing into tomorrow.
              Windmills were useful once:

              The first windmills were developed to automate the tasks of grain-grinding and water-pumping and the earliest-known design is the vertical axis system developed in Persia about 500-900 A.D.”

              But, thankfully we had moved on from that, until now:

              Newsweek: What’s the True Cost of Wind Power?

              Cheers and thanks for your comments. I read and enjoy them.

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              David C

              Might it have been a stone wind turbine that collapsed?

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            There is some recent research (a PhD thesis, I think) that links the design of Stonehenge to the design of the Briton round-houses. They have also found evidence of other henges in the same area. It is known that the early Britons were ancestor worshipers, who buried their dead under the central hearth of the roundhouse, so the current theory is that the early britons built the henges as some sort of community hall for their ancestors.

            I quite liked the idea, it has some poetic charm. Although I cannot present any supporting evidence – bit before my time.

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              Owen Morgan

              There are certainly other henges near the stone one. Durrington Walls was very much bigger, but entirely made of timber, so only post holes remain. The Avebury stone circle is a larger construction than Stonehenge, if much less finely executed. The enigmatic Silbury Hill is a man-made tumulus, close to Avebury.

              All these, we have to assume, were meant to appease the gods, either in the sky, or under the ground. At one time, people thought Stonehenge was built by the Romans. Then they attributed it to druids. Eventually, archaeologists came to date it properly, although legitimate speculation persists as to its purpose.

              We do know that, at some point, people decided that Stonehenge, Avebury etc. weren’t delivering the expected magic, so that they were abandoned. That revelation probably took hundreds of years. Will it take true-believers in the bird-gnashers a similar time to see the folly of their ways?

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          Owen Morgan

          You’ve struck gold again. Easter Island, in the time of the construction of the moais, was an intensely irrational society, in which ever bigger statues were hewn out of the quarry and, if the sculptors managed to complete them, were dragged across the island. A significant proportion of completed moais never made it to their intended destinations, so I think it’s fair to assume that, after vast efforts to carve and transport them, they never fulfilled any useful purpose, even according to the local superstitions.

          Ever bigger windfarms, or ever taller bird-gnashers, do seem to emulate the infinite pointlessness of the moais. The Easter Islanders pulled down the statues of rival tribes. I think that all the ones which you can see there now have been put up again, since about 1960.

          Luckily, the fall of the moais didn’t presage the end of the world!

          PS: If you have ever seen “The Wicker Man“, the behaviour of some tourists around the Easter Island statues is hilarious.

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            TdeF

            Great film. Edward Woodward. Christopher Lee. Memorable and frightening. An old madness. Revisited today.

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    Owen Morgan

    This is the “Whitehall-knows-best” attitude on steroids. In Britain, “Whitehall-knows-best” is associated with the era of state control of just about anything, such as coal-fired power-stations, train timetables and even the price of a loaf of bread. Typically, of course, the state couldn’t guarantee the supply of coal from the state-run mines to the state-run power-stations over the state-run railways. Passenger train timetables were about as reliable as Triceratops futures. The bread wasn’t much to write home about, either.

    This mentality suffered a major setback in the UK during the Eighties, but underwent a resurgence in the following decade, mainly thanks to the EU (yeah, thanks, EU). The self-aggrandising nature of Brussels made it the ideal habitat for election-allergic ideologues and technocrats, who wanted their ideas put into effect without the tedious palaver of having to justify them to the Little People. Whole forests have died to accommodate the texts of all the ludicrous directives churned out by Brussels and the versions of them gleefully turned into Parliamentary bills by British officials, in the full knowledge that legislation decreed from Brussels could not be defeated in Westminster.

    Crucially, faced with this tidal wave of de facto legislation, the Major government granted numerous unelected agencies the effective power to make up their own laws and, for practical purposes, to police them, too. The situation became a lot worse under Blair and Brown and hasn’t improved since. Essentially, the technocrats are paid by British taxpayers, but are completely unanswerable to them. Needless to say, the opportunities for corruption, something which the British civil service pretty much stamped out in the later nineteenth century, are endless. If the European government becomes a World government, plenty of bureaucrats will shift their loyalties without missing a heartbeat.

    I think something analogous has happened in the United States, too. The situations aren’t precisely the same, since Americans do get to elect their Presidents and Congressional representatives in Washington, but it does seem that Federal agencies are attempting to undermine the authoritiy of the individual states and that the Environmental Protection Agency is prominent in this process.

    Obama will sign up to just about anything. I’m not convinced that Cameron will put up much of a fight against this lunacy, either, or that it would make any difference, if he did. Brussels today is like that regiment parading before Jean-Jacques Dessalines, so fixated by the voodoo magic that it will march off the precipice, rather than see reason.

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    pat

    i’d like to see the Commonwealth Bank pull funding from The Conversation, but then i don’t have a CAGW-activist group like 350.org behind me:

    20 May: UK Daily Mail: AAP: Reef protest to target Adelaide bank
    Environmental activists will target the Commonwealth Bank in Adelaide as part of national campaign to convince the bank to rule out funding coal projects that could damage the Great Barrier Reef.
    The group known as 350.org says dozens of bank customers will close their accounts or lodge a formal complaint with the bank as part of the action on Wednesday.
    “Funding coal ports on the Great Barrier Reef would be a disaster for the reef and the climate,” protest spokeswoman Lovisa Muyderman says.
    A similar protest will be held in Melbourne’s busy Bourke Street Mall, with more than 60 people expected to attend…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-3088561/Reef-protest-target-Adelaide-bank.html

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    handjive

    2014: Australia finally contributes to Green Climate Fund
    (theconversation.com)

    2015: UN green climate fund can be spent on coal-fired power generation
    (theguardian.com)
    . . .

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      handjive

      Egad.

      Coal and climate change: a death sentence for the Great Barrier Reef
      - Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, theconversation.com, May 20, 2015

      “Much as I tried to find a mistake in my reasoning and calculations, the numbers kept telling me that one of the world’s most diverse ecosystems would disappear in my lifetime.

      Meanwhile, ocean waters are acidifying at a rate that is unparallelled in at least the past 65 million years, potentially hampering the ability of coral reefs to maintain themselves through the all-important process of calcification.”
      ~ ~ ~
      Errors and frauds of global warming science
      01.09.2014, Pravda:

      Oceans continuously absorb CO2 and convert it into calcium carbonate and limestone.
      The calcium never runs out, and the pH of the oceans never drops below 8.1 for this reason.
      It’s the pH which calcium carbonate buffers at.
      If not, why hasn’t four billion years been long enough to get there?

      ABC, November 14, 2014: Extinction risk may be overrated but reefs still vulnerable
      “We may be overestimating the extinction risk of individual marine species on coral reefs but this is no cause for complacency, scientists warn.”
      . . .
      Egad.
      What a waste of 20 years.

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        handjive mentions this: (my bolding)

        Much as I tried to find a mistake in my reasoning and calculations, the numbers kept telling me that one of the world’s most diverse ecosystems would disappear in my lifetime.

        Someone should be seeking a Government medically based grant here to investigate how dear old Ove has found that he has the genes which will enable him to live for so long.

        Tony.

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    PeterPetrum

    Have I missed something. In the last few days I have heard several references to “subsidies on fossil fuels” in reference to doing away with them and giving the money to the benevolent UN. Can anybody explain to me what these fossil fuel subsidies are?

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      There are lots of answers to that depending on what is meant and who is being claimed to be subsidised. For example this https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Fuel-schemes/Fuel-tax-credits—business/Rates/ is said to offset costs to miners of more than $1 billion per year (out of about $5 billion spent on the scheme) although I can’t give you a link to hard data.

      So, I didn’t give you an answer but I hope I didn’t increase your confusion.

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        Heywood

        That would be the same fuel rebate scheme that the agriculture and forestry industries enjoy as well isn’t it?

        Not really a subsidy at all, merely a rebate of tax paid (intended for road infrastructure) on fuel used in vehicles in certain industries (that never use the road infrastructure the tax is intended for).

        The Greens commonly throw this one up as an ‘evil subsidy to polluters’.

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          ianl8888


          … the agriculture and forestry industries enjoy as well

          Fishing fleets too – it is considered that fishing boats don’t do much damage to land-based highways; similarly, off-road mining and farming fleets

          These facts don’t stop the BS though, as exemplified by Golly Gee Aye at #30.1

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            bobl

            The latest incarnation of this on bloomberg they are trying to add in “The social cost of Carbon (dioxide)” as a subsidy. Seems to me though that without 400PPM CO2 feeding the 7 Billion humans around the world might be just a tad more difficult, so the way I see it we should probably be paying the evil energy industries a bounty for making it.

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            Ian, thanks for the abuse. I responded politely and promptly to Peters Q and stated some data that is often quoted in the context that Peter submitted. Nothing that I wrote was factually incorrect or imbued with any malice or distortion. I added caveats. Following there constructive comments and debate that enhanced what I wrote and assisted Peter. And you abused me. Well done.

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          Gee Aye

          Heywood etc. I completely agree and funnily enough we share this bed with this fellow

          http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2015/05/18/fossil-fuels-subsidised-by-10m-a-minute-says-imf/

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          Rohan

          Actually any industry that deals with hydrocarbon solvents are also exempt. Believe it or not, if you buy bulk solvents, you pay the full fuel excise and claim it back when you submit your BAS.

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        PeterPetrum

        Thanks GA, and to everybody below who took the time to explain. So no subsidy, just the normal exemption given to any fuel user who does not put its vehicles on the public roads. Sounds fair to me, then I’m not a Green Climate Change Fanatic!

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      C.J.Richards

      These “subsidies” are mostly taxes not levied on money used for legitimate operating expenses, as in any business. It’s just another way of saying more taxes, new taxes, to fund the UN boondoggle.

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        C.J.Richards

        ” The nearly $550 billion a year spend on fossil fuel subsidies can be reallocated for better public use, including climate finance for sustainable development.”

        That $550 billion isn’t spent. It doesn’t exist. It’s what Governments don’t charge Energy producers in taxes.
        Try putting that burden on them and you won’t raise the money but may very well kill the cash cow that’s already bringing hem in much more than that

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    Neville

    Well according to Trenberth, Flannery, Schmidt, Trenberth, Solomons etc his actions on co2 emissions cannot make a scrap of difference for thousands of years. So who does he really believe?
    Anyhow until 2040 the EIA tells us that over 90% of new co2 emissions will come from the developing countries like China, India etc. By contrast developed countries will nearly flat-line over that period. IOW we could all live in caves until 2040 and it wouldn’t make a scrap of difference to the climate, temps or co2 levels. Just more stupid BS from the extremists

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    pat

    the intelligent, smart ABC experts will no doubt be there! could then end up as a “Big Ideas” or two!

    a more accurate headline would be “Pushers of Smart Meters & Renewables, especially solar, sponsor Symposium at UNSW”:

    20 May: ABC Breakfast: Leading energy experts meet to discuss ‘the Intelligent Grid’: smarter, cheaper, greener
    Some of Australia’s brightest thinkers and industry figures on energy will meet today for a symposium on ‘the Intelligent Grid’.
    While many households have been eager to get off the electricity grid by producing their own energy requirements largely through solar power, today’s discussion will be focussed on making the grid a more economical option for the future.
    Tony Wood runs the energy program at the Grattan Institute and is participating at today’s symposium, and joins Fran Kelly live on RN Breakfast.
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/leading-energy-experts-meet/6482562

    NSW Intelligent Grids Symposium 2015 – NSW Department of Trade and Investment Centre
    Level 47, MLC Centre, Martin Place Sydney, NSW
    Intelligent Grids – Pathway to our Energy Future
    NSW Minister for Industry, Resources and Energy will open Intelligent Grids Symposium.
    The ATSE NSW Division will hold a one-day symposium on electricity network – which underpins almost every aspect of modern life. It will deal with key questions:
    How will grids adapt and remain relevant in this new environment?
    How rapidly will game-changing technologies be taken up?
    What are the technical challenges and regulatory barriers?
    Most importantly, how should grid services be priced?
    Speakers:
    The speakers, all distinguished individuals with unmatched expertise, are:

    Alan Finkel, ATSE President;
    Steve Sargent, former global Vice President of General Electric;
    Tony Wood from the Grattan Institute;
    Hugh Gleeson, CEO United Energy and Multinet Gas;
    Riccardo Pagliarella, formerly Toyota Australia;
    Adrian Clark, CEO Landis and Gyr ANZ;
    Mervyn Davies, a Director of a number of major networks;
    Glenn Platt, CSIRO;
    Louis Tirpcou, AEMO and
    Tony Vassallo, Sydney University.
    The ENA, CSIRO, AEMO, utility leaders and technology suppliers will also be represented…
    Sponsors:
    Landis+Gyr
    UNSW
    Energeia
    Malcolm Chaikin Foundation
    https://www.atse.org.au/content/events/Event_Display.aspx?EventKey=1505SNSWS&WebsiteKey=d30229f1-d53b-48d7-99ae-d0ce9fea621d

    Wikipedia: Landis+Gyr
    Landis+Gyr, is a multinational corporation with 45 companies in over 30 countries and headquartered in Zug, Switzerland focused on metering and other technologies which deal with management of energy.
    In 2011 Landis+Gyr was purchased by Toshiba Corporation of Japan for USD$2.3 Billion

    Energeia Australia – About Us
    http://www.energeia.com.au/about-us.html

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    pat

    UQ advertises the “intelligent Grid Symposium” in Upcoming Events, but worth a look at what UQ are pushing:

    PDF: 6 pages: UNIVERSITY OF QUEENSLAND ENERGY INITIATIVE NEWSLETTER Issue 4 April
    includes editorial: NUCLEAR POWER MUST BE AN OPTION PROPERLY CONSIDERED FOR AUSTRALIA’S LOW-CARBON FUTURE
    plus INVESTMENT IN CCS IS CRITICAL – SHOULD BE ON SAME SCALE AS INVESTMENT IN RENEWABLES
    http://www.uq.edu.au/energy/images/UQEI%20Newsletters/UQEInews_Issue%204%20April%202015.pdf

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      pat,

      thanks for this link.

      I can’t believe that so called Academics can still be pushing CCS (Carbon Capture and Storage/Sequestration)

      One article at the link says this, in reference to power coming on line in Africa: (my bolding)

      These comments come shortly after the African Development Bank’s President Donald Kaberuka defended his decision to continue financing power plants that use coal. “It is hypocritical for western governments who have funded their industrialisation using fossil fuels, providing their citizens with enough power, to say to African countries, ‘You cannot develop dams, you cannot develop coal, just rely on these very expensive renewables’. African countries will not listen.”

      Many fear that without investment, the risk is that when it comes to reducing emissions developing countries will still choose to use coal, but may not integrate CCS and other low-emission coal technologies.

      Why integrate something that will never be made to work on the scale required?

      I also note that they proudly proclaim that the cost of Thermal Coal is coming down.

      Umm, you would have thought that this only makes coal fired power plants more attractive, eh!

      Tony.

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        handjive

        “Umm, you would have thought that this only makes coal fired power plants more attractive, eh!”
        ~ ~ ~
        Merkel “bells the cat”:

        Germany’s Merkel calls for global emissions trading system (yahoo.news)

        “Thousands of power plants, factories and airlines in Europe have to surrender an allowance for every tonne of heat-trapping gas emitted.
        However, a surplus of allowances has depressed their price on the ETS and has made it cheaper to burn coal than to switch to greener fuels.”
        ~ ~ ~
        > Amongst the comments:

        Not to worry folks, available for a limited time only, you can get your very own bottle of patented
        Angela Merkel’s Man Made Global Warming Elixir.

        Approved by 97% of scientists and guaranteed to stop floods, droughts, wildfires, storms, disease, melting glaciers, hurricanes, asthma, heat waves, and even mental anguish from that worrisome global warming.

        Blends perfectly with Kool Aid and is the official drink of the Global Warming Tax and Alarmist Society.

        Please drink irresponsibly and send your money quickly.
        . . .
        I lol’d.

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        I know that most of you won’t check pat’s link but it’s interesting nonetheless. (6 pages pdf document)

        It mentions how Beijing is closing down its four remaining coal fired power plants in the next few years. What it fails to mention is that they are not closing because of any CO2 induced Climate Change, but because these are all pretty much time expired at older than 40 years. A lot of the huge scale new tech USC plants have been constructed to supply Beijing and these oldsters are not needed any more.

        It also mentions a new Australian constructed wave power generator. 720KW, and soon they hope to have the more recent 3 unit (3MW in total Nameplate) up and running. Again, no mention of Capacity Factor (around 40%) or cost ($25 Million).

        So, we’ll only need 880 of these to equal the Nameplate of Bayswater, at a cost of $22 Billion, to supply half the power of Bayswater.

        Oh dear, and you wonder where the money goes to.

        Tony.

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          And one last one to also show you where your money might be going.

          I had to pinch myself here.

          Firstly, have a read of this piece I did for my home site. (at this link) Be observant and read the date at the top of the Post first. (May 5th…..2008, seven years ago)

          I canvassed the idea of space based solar energy.

          Now, in this UQ pdf document, there it is, they actually have plans to do just that. They have been able to transmit huge amounts of power across vast distances via microwave. Well, 1.8KW over 55 Metres anyway, but you get the idea.

          The end idea is to construct the solar collectors out in space (in geosynchronous orbit) for a 1GW pilot plant beaming the power back to Earth, as early as ….. 2031, and following from that, 2037, commercial scale plants with one new launch ever year.

          Man, don’t dare fly through that beam eh!

          Give me strength.

          Tony.

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            Sorry, wrong link for the above comment. I linked into Part 2 instead of Part 1.

            The correct link is this one.

            Should have checked in Preview more carefully.

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              ROM

              Tonapah on steroids complete with A380 Airbus streamer.

              From Wikipedia;

              Space Based Solar power;

              In 1941, science fiction writer Isaac Asimov published the science fiction short story “Reason”, in which a space station transmits energy collected from the Sun to various planets using microwave beams.

              The SBSP concept, originally known as satellite solar-power system (SSPS), was first described in November 1968.[1] In 1973 Peter Glaser was granted U.S. patent number 3,781,647 for his method of transmitting power over long distances (e.g. from an SPS to Earth’s surface) using microwaves from a very large antenna (up to one square kilometer) on the satellite to a much larger one, now known as a rectenna, on the ground.[2]

              I haven’t laid eyes on the UQ claims as yet [ I assume University of Queensland is meant here ] but they are sure way, way behind the times and no doubt making lots of snorting noises on the claims to ensure that extra troughers allowance from the science ignorant and hood winked pollies.
              ___________________________

              Microwave power transmission [ same Space link as above ]
              [quoted ]
              William C. Brown demonstrated in 1964, during Walter Cronkite’s CBS News program, a microwave-powered model helicopter that received all the power it needed for flight from a microwave beam. Between 1969 and 1975, Bill Brown was technical director of a JPL Raytheon program that beamed 30 kW of power over a distance of 1 mile (1.6 km) at 84% efficiency.[37]

              Microwave power transmission of tens of kilowatts has been well proven by existing tests at Goldstone in California (1975)[37][38][39] and Grand Bassin on Reunion Island (1997).[40]

              More recently, microwave power transmission has been demonstrated, in conjunction with solar energy capture, between a mountain top in Maui and the island of Hawaii (92 miles away), by a team under John C. Mankins.[41][42] Technological challenges in terms of array layout, single radiation element design, and overall efficiency, as well as the associated theoretical limits are presently a subject of research, as it is demonstrated by the Special Session on “Analysis of Electromagnetic Wireless Systems for Solar Power Transmission” to be held in the 2010 IEEE Symposium on Antennas and Propagation.[43]

              In 2013, a useful overview was published, covering technologies and issues associated with microwave power transmission from space to ground. It includes an introduction to SPS, current research and future prospects.[44] Moreover, a review of current methodologies and technologies for the design of antenna arrays for microwave power transmission appeared in the Proceedings of the IEEE [45]

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            David Maddison

            They have been talking about solar panels in space with microwave downlinks for decades. The cost to place them there will be staggering and I expect the service life to be very short due to radiation damage to the panels.

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    pat

    19 May: Business Green: Jessica Shankleman: Investors worth $25tr reveal plan for tackling climate change
    New online platform aims to show how investor groups are measuring greenhouse gases and decarbonising their portfolios
    ***(LINK)The new online platform has been produced by the Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change in Europe, Ceres Investor Network on Climate Risk in the US, the Investors Group on Climate Change in Australia and New Zealand and the Asia Investor Group on Climate Change, which combined represent many of the world’s largest institutional investors…
    The launch comes as businesses prepare to meet in Paris this week for a major Business and Climate Summit, designed to show politicians that much of the corporate sector wants ambitious action on climate change…
    Christiana Figueres, Executive Secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, who will be attending the Business and Climate Summit in Paris this week, said she was encouraged by the initiative.
    “Ahead of the UN climate change conference in Paris, cities, regions, companies and investors must continue to increase their active participation in the global efforts toward a low emission, highly resilient world,” she said.
    “Over the next 15 years some $90tr are likely to be invested in infrastructure world-wide. Investments that are de-risked and green will be crucial for ensuring we do not lock in a high emission future but instead unlock a healthy and prosperous one that delivers the twin aims of climate stability and reliable development for the poor and the needy.”…
    http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2409175/investors-worth-usd25tr-reveal-plan-for-tackling-climate-change

    ***above links to Investor Platform for Climate Action page with sponsors at bottom, including UNEP Finance Initiative:

    About UNEP Finance Initiative:
    Founded in 1992 in the context of the Earth Summit in Rio, and based in Geneva, Switzerland, the United Nations Environment Programme Finance Initiative (UNEP FI) was established as a platform associating the United Nations and the financial sector globally. The need for this unique United Nations partnership arose from the growing recognition of the links between finance and Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) challenges, and the role financial institutions could play for a more sustainable world…
    Banking, insurance and investment, the three main sectors of finance, are represented and brought together in this unique partnership…
    UNEP FI has contributed to the launch of the Principles for Responsible Investment (PRI) and has developed the Principles for Sustainable Insurance (PSI)….
    Mission Statement
    UNEP FI’s mission is to bring about systemic change in finance to support a sustainable world, and is highlighted in its motto, Changing finance, financing change.
    Motto
    Its motto Changing finance, financing change reflects a vision of a sustainable world economy that needs to be supported by a sustainable financial system.
    Changing finance: promoting the integration of sustainability concerns into mainstream financial system, and financial institutions’ operations and decisions in all markets, as well as in their general business and governance…
    http://www.unepfi.org/about/

    link to “Our Members” page for list, including Aussie banks, etc.

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    pat

    UPDATE. now that it’s gone wrong, no mention of 350.org!!!
    check photo.

    20 May: ABC: Protester left hanging from Melbourne building after abseiling fall
    A protester has been has left been hanging from the Commonwealth Bank offices in Melbourne’s CBD after he fell while abseiling.
    The protest group, who are opposed the bank’s investment in the coal industry, assembled at the Bourke Street building just after 10:00am

    TWEET: Wow protest gone wrong commbank 385 Bourke st melb, no harness one fell this one clinging waiting for police rescue

    Police said a woman, who was also abseiling, had to be helped to safety.
    One witness tweeting from the scene said the man in trouble did not appear to be wearing a safety harness.
    The pair are being interviewed to find out what happened.
    Paramedics treated one person for minor injuries.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-20/protester-left-hanging-from-melbourne-building-after-abseiling/6483432

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      Eddie

      Very clever photo. He’s not really wire walking the tramway power lines. Just facing a long drop.
      It’s not called abseiling by the way, without a rope.

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    Bob Malloy

    Jo encourages us to lobby our politicians to warn against sacrificing trillions to modern day carpetbaggers for no results. on a related topic I received an email on Monday from The Australian Taxpayers’ Alliance. They are requesting donations so they can run a full page piece attacking the cancelling of Bjørn Lomborg’s Consensus centre at UWA.

    If interested please read the following link. http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=d9f51dd317ac24a90c904906c&id=e669fe20fb&e=5c91e08050

    Part of the message reads, Make no mistake: unless we take action today, this sort of censorship will happen again, and again, and again. This is why we need to draw a line in the stand now and say – enough!

    Jo, I attempted to contact you through email at the support email address listed on your page, it kept bouncing back claiming your address could not be found.

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      Bob, thanks and sorry. I need to fix that email link. Sigh! If I had a $4m dollar centre, I guess I’d just ask the IT staff to fix the email forwarding ;-) – Jo

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        Bob Malloy

        Jo, just get it fixed and send your invoice to the Koch brothers or big oil, I’m sure they’ll be glad to pay along with the regular expenses they cover for you!

        I hope this doesn’t need a sarc/

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      Bob Malloy

      OH dread, the cursed red finger of doom.

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    RoHa

    Look, you can pay your $89tr to the UN, but a lot of that is just for big brand naming. Now I, a small tradesman, can do the same job at a lower price. You won’t get the fancy coloured brochures, but I will fix it, make good, and clear away the rubbish all just for 60tr.

    Get money to me by the end of the week, and I’ll do a bit to relieve global poverty as well.

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      ROM

      Pardon my ignorance but is the UN now using Nigerian advisers?

      If required I could put the UN onto my Portuguese lawyer friend who after a world wide search for somebody with what approximates [  very distantly!!! ?? ] my surname notified me that a large bequest of some hundreds of thousands of dollars was bequested to any person with a particular surname which quite coincidentally approximated mine.

      The bequested and rather large sum of money was assuredly mine to be had after I had handed over the considerable but neccessary amounts to finance my Portuguese lawyer friend’s legal and bureaucratic expenditures and banking expenses that would ensure I would receive the moneys.

      I am quite sure my Portuguese lawyer friend with his vast experience in negotiating and raising finance could do a much better job of advising the UN climate committees if the UN took advantage of his services.
      And I am sure he would be far more innovative in his advice and the acquiring and using of the UN’s climate change funds than any Nigerian General or senior military officer.

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      RoHa

      Mostly my poverty, but, hey, I’m part of the global community.

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      Matty

      If they plump for such ridiculous figures nobody will believe it can happen and then will be all the easier to do so right under our noses. This thing needs to be called out at every step.

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    Doug Proctor

    “Maintaining or strengthening economic growth to 2030 will require a significant increase in investment, including an estimated cumulative US$89 trillion of investment in infrastructure.”

    This is an excellent position for the powers-that-wannabe to take. It is impossible, and stops ALL action. You don’t get 3 billion, you get zilch.

    If you ask a man for a ride to work, he might provide it. If you ask him for a Cadillac so you can drive yourself to work, you’re going to walking for as long as he recognizes you.

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    O/T, but check this out: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/19/peabody-energy-exploited-ebola-crisis-for-corporate-gain-say-health-experts

    I’m sure I don’t need to point to the logical errors in the Guardian’s argument.

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    Ken Stewart

    I admit I am a little slow. Has anyone else wondered about this?

    1.1 billion people without electricity and 2.9 billion people reliant on wood and dung for cooking fuel.

    So 1.8 billion of the 2.9 billion people have electricity but still use wood and dung for cooking? Too poor to afford the electricity they have access to but can’t use? Or something else I’m missing? Tony? Jo?

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Ken,

      In a lot of what we used to call the Third World, electrical supply is somewhat erratic. I have seen villages in Asia that had sufficient electrical supply for each dwelling to have a 60 Watt light bulb. Power reticulation usually consists of two wires, hung on two insulators hammered into trees, when there are some, or poles when there are not. Those wires sometimes go for miles, and the losses are not insignificant. In the west, we do most of our reticulation at 11kV or higher. The higher the voltage, the less the losses, but the higher the cost of equipment.

      The magic comes when a) a person has been taught how to read, and b) has sufficient electric light to be able to read at night, when it is too dark to work in the fields.

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      Ken,

      aha! You’ve found the anomaly here then.

      Note they say that only 1.1 Billion people are without electricity.

      I’m always getting into trouble for this. The Green idol worshippers think that when they say this, then everyone else has access to the electrical power that they have in their own homes and in their own Communities, access to 24/7/365 power which is constant and reliable, and always available.

      They don’t.

      Electricity enough to light just one bulb for perhaps as little as an hour is what passes for access to electricity.

      Access to cook requires that they have electrically operated cooking devices.

      Light bulbs yes. Ovens and cooktops and microwaves etc are out of the question.

      And that’s not just in deepest darkest Africa. It’s everywhere in any Country considered as not Developed.

      Tony.

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      Ken Stewart

      Rereke, Tony, thank you. That’s what I thought.

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    tom0mason

    And over 6 years ago I mooted the point that the whole object of the UN’s big push into ‘CAGW’ and ‘Climate Change’ was for the usual reasons of money and power. I was royally shouted down and told that the UN did not work like that.

    Pah!
    You credulous innocent fools, you’ve been had!
    The chickens have come home to roost, the unelected and barely controllable UN elitists are after Westerner’s money and power. That now is plain! The writing is on the wall, pay the shysters, or resist with all your might — there is no alternative, no third way.
    In western democracies there are methods to change things, it’s your vote. Use your vote to ensure that your representatives are going to do the best for you and your country.
    If others wish to ‘save the planet’ let them but not with my, or your money. The end maybe nigh for representative democratic government having any real power over what happens in your country, as you are taxed into penury by command of the UN elite and their acolytes. Read the UN document Agenda 21 to see what the elites really want. They do not want $89 trillion they want everything you have got, your country, and then more. The UN elites wants Westerners paying this tax for evermore.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    The climate is already fixed by natural cycles. These world bank shysters want the $89 x 10¹² for fixing their own personal fortunes. They don’t give a rat’s for the climate.

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    Well if there’s one thing I trust a global government to do, it’s wisely run a 89 trillion dollar project efficiently and without cost overruns nor unintended consequences.

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    pat

    ***350.org throws the protestor under the bus…those commenting are not amused.

    20 May: Herald Sun: Abseiling protester hurt after falling from Melbourne CBD building
    by Jon Kaila and Wes Hosking
    He was taken to The Alfred hospital in a stable condition suffering from an ankle injury.
    A woman also abseiling was escorted by police from the scene
    The abseilers were targeting the Commonwealth Bank as activists call on the organisation to rule out funding for coal mining in Queensland’s Galilee Basin.
    ***350.org Australia spokeswoman Krista Collard, whose group is organising the protests around Australia this week, said the injured protester was associated with a different group that had joined the “Raise the Heat” demonstration…
    He and the woman were trying to unveil a message in support of their cause when the drama unfolded.
    “It’s my understanding they were trying to roll out a banner,’’ Ms Collard said.
    Charlie Wood, also at the event, said the injured protester was a member of the group Direct Action Melbourne, which was made up of concerned individuals.
    “He was just a concerned citizen participating in this peaceful action,’’ she said…
    About 60 people were part of the protest, with around 30 still occupying upstairs offices of the Commonwealth Bank building.
    “They intend to stay here for the duration of the day to send a message to the bank,’’ Ms Wood said.
    Police said they would be speaking to the pair, but no one has been charged with any offence so far
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/abseiling-protester-hurt-after-falling-from-melbourne-cbd-building/story-fni0fee2-1227361263719

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      Matty

      He has all the right techniques in place on the end of that rope there to stop him from falling off the end and prusik loops in place to enable climbing back up.
      It’s just a pity he hit the ground before reaching the end.

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    pat

    Herald-Sun wrote “Charlie Wood, also at the event, said the injured protester was a member of the group Direct Action Melbourne”

    why not say “350.org’s Charlie Wood”?

    About 350.org Australia
    Charlie Wood
    A Canberran born and bred, Charlie now hails from Melbourne. She is 350.org Australia’s Campaigns Director.
    http://350.org.au/about/

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    pat

    About 350.org Australia
    Krista Collard. Originally from America, Krista is 350.org’s Media and Communications Coordinator based in Sydney.
    http://350.org.au/about/

    the very same Krista:

    LinkedIn: Krista Collard
    Pacific Northwest Press Secretary, The Sierra Club
    Previous: California Labor Federation, Sierra Club, We Are Ohio
    Exprience: Field Organizer, Ohio Democratic Party 2010, Managed staff of 25 paid canvassers
    https://www.linkedin.com/pub/krista-collard/27/933/275

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    pat

    20 May: FrontLineAction.org (Action on Coal) Residents Raise the Heat: Commonwealth Bank Occupied in Melbourne CBD
    Today’s event is one of over 100 community protests that are taking place at 40 branches across Australia and around the world in opposition to the Galilee projects.
    The Commonwealth Bank is the only Australian bank that has been publicly named as advising on the projects and likely to finance the Carmichael mega mine – the largest in the Galilee Basin…
    “Unless they heed our call and say no to coal mine and port expansions on the Reef, they face a creative and unrelenting community campaign… and should be ready for nationwide protests” said ***Nicola Paris, from Direct Action Melbourne.
    Media Contact: Charlie Wood
    http://frontlineaction.org/residents-raise-the-heat-commonwealth-bank-occupied-in-melbourne-cbd/

    counterAct.org: Our people
    ***Nicola Paris is the Founder and Coordinator of CounterAct. She has extensive experience working on a range of campaigns over more than a decade, and has been facilitating within a diversity of groups for many years. Having worked across the full spectrum of progressive social change – from sailing with Sea Shepherd on Antarctic campaigns, to working as an ***adviser to a Senator she has a developed a perspective informed by hands on experience, on the tools we can use to create effective social change.
    You can check out more information about Nicola on her linked in (LINK) profile here though here are some nice words from some nice folks:
    (includes George Woods, NSW Coordinator, Lock the Gate Alliance, Anna Rose, Author, Environmentalist, Earth Hour Manager, WWF Australia, Lian Sinclair, Union organiser, Jaxon Barnes, The Wilderness Society, Erin Buckley, Federation of Community Legal Centres, Jarrod McKenna, Pastor, & Adviser – Youth, Faith & Activism, World Vision, Natalie Lowrey, International Mining & Environmental Justice campaigner, Wenny Theresia, Environmental Justice Activist)
    CounterAct works collaboratively with other trainers and a range of organisations including Friends of the Earth, Melbourne Social Forum, and Plan to Win.
    http://counteract.org.au/about/ourpeople/

    above links to Nicola’s LinkedIn page.
    too hot for the Greens?

    2007: leftclickblog: Jim Jepps: Reinstate Nicola Paris
    Last Friday 30 activists turned up at Australian Science Minister Julie Bishop’s office to deliver a letter calling for a halt to plans to turn an aboriginal community in the Northern Territories into a nuclear dumping ground…
    One of those arrested (but not charged) was one Nicola Paris a feisty young staffer for Green Senator Rachel Siewert. Now, when Siewert heard that Paris had been arrested you might imagine she immediately sent a message of support to her jail cell supporting her fight for aboriginal rights and against nuclear toxicity. Indeed part of her official response did read “I hope to speak with the Minister to personally convey my concern at the earliest possible opportunity.”
    But alas this was not to condemn Nicola’s arrest dear readers. No, in fact Nicola was asked to resign her position because “Greens do not condone violence of any kind”, even though she was a peaceful protester at a peaceful protest. Well, peaceful until the cops showed up and started hitting people with sticks.
    The rumours are that Green Party leader Bob Brown put pressure on Siewert to turn her back on Nicola and issue this mealy mouthed statement to the press…
    http://leftclickblog.blogspot.com.au/2007/07/reinstate-nicola-paris.html

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    pat

    leftclickblog piece is by Jim Jepps. there is just one comment under the piece, which begins:

    “Well –since this s a post from Jim Jepps, a member of the Green Party of England & Wales I’m afraid I cannot say anything of much import…”

    the same Jim Jepps who was in the news pre the UK election:

    19 April: UK Mirror: General Election 2015: Green Party boss Natalie Bennett faces further embarrassment from boyfriend’s X-rated rants
    by Vincent Moss & Dan Warburton
    Radical blogger Jim Jepps, who is dating the Green leader, has posted controversial comments about sex, paedophilia and rape
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/general-election-2015-green-party-5546699

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    pat

    SouthWind website below: Formerly Climate Tasmania…Based on Peter Boyer’s newspaper column in the Hobart Mercury…the new voice of climate advocacy in Tasmania, an expert body committed to lifting the profile of climate change across both government and business sectors.

    19 May: Southwind: Peter Boyer: Our love affair with burning stuff
    The University of Tasmania has one of Tasmania’s larger investment portfolios…
    So should universities divest from fossil fuels? Should banks support coal mining? These and other questions are being posed in “Raise the Heat”, a global campaign instigated by US-based 350.org.
    ***In Hobart on Thursday (6.30pm, Stanley Burbury Theatre, Sandy Bay) a panel of representatives from 350.org, the University of Tasmania, the legal profession and the superannuation industry will debate the ethics of investing (or not) in fossil fuel.
    ***At 12.15 pm on Friday there’s to be a public demonstration outside Commonwealth Bank offices near Elizabeth Mall, Hobart, where Hobart financial adviser Stuart Barry will speak about the power of consumers to change banks’ attitudes to coal and other fossil fuel investments…
    http://southwind.com.au/

    Boyer’s previous nonsense (below above thread):

    12 May: Peter Boyer: Local government: voices from among us
    It’s hard to ignore the solemn, deliberate voice of leading US climate scientist James Hansen talking about the “unthinkable” consequences of today’s emissions and what has to be done.
    Last week Hansen told Fran Kelly on ABC Radio National of his proposal for an “honest” price for fossil fuel: a fee for pollution payable at the source by responsible companies, with revenue to be distributed equally to all individuals regardless of standing or wealth…

    BREAKING! Protesters occupy @CommBank Melbourne HQ #RaiseTheHeat #DontRiskTheReef pic.twitter.com/ToW9aByBH3
    Related tweets…
    14 mins ago – Branches have been forced to close…
    1 hr 4 mins ago – @CommBank have chosen to close for the day rather than engage in conversation…
    http://inagist.com/all/600837304324739072/

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    Random Comment

    If the current temperature pause (hiatus, whatever) turns out to be the peak before a long decline, then I have been wondering if there has been sufficient CO2 abatement for the CAGW brethren to argue they have been successful in controlling climate. It will be interesting to watch the switch in focus of researchers when such a decline in global temperatures does occur. If they can switch seamlessly they may be able to maintain pressure on governments for continued access to the public purse.

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      el gordo

      Good question Random, it would be outlandish but they may try it on.

      More than likely they will pray for a very strong El Nino and say the increase in temperatures are due to CO2.

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      Eddie

      No lack of warming can be attributed to reducing CO2 while the steady rise of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere continues unabated. The level of atmospheric CO2 is determined by other factors . Nature has decided and no amount of man pumping in more CO2 or stopping emissions altogether will change that.

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      Carbon500

      Random comment: I look at it this way: the pre-industrial (i.e. pre-1750) level of CO2 was, so we are told, 280 molecules of CO2 per million molecules of all other atmospheric gases (also quoted as parts per million or ppm). Water vapour is excluded from this statement of concentration, so the true concentration of CO2 will be even less, but is variable because the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere varies.
      The CO2 level is now 400ppm or thereabouts.
      That’s a rise of almost 43% in the concentration of this trace gas since 1750.
      Despite this, the temperature changes seen over the years are arguably trivial, and life on Earth goes on. Given the fraction of a degree change (about 0.7C) which occurred during the 20th century, I remain surprised that the whole issue of the supposed threat we all face has gained such credibility.
      It says a lot about shoddy reliance on computer modelling and the failure of politicians to look more closely at the so-called science they’re being fed, plus highly effective dissemination of nonsense by the media.
      Billions (name your currency) are being wasted which could be put to better use.

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    handjive

    The 97% climate doomsday alarmists will eventually run out of oceans to hide the heat in.
    ~ ~ ~
    First it was the Pacific, then the Atlantic:

    January 29, 2015, smh: The study bolsters other recent research that suggests the last 15 years, a so-called warming hiatus, do not mark an end to the acceleration in Earth’s mean surface temperature since mid-20th century.

    The best explanation we offer is these chaotic and random fluctuations within the oceans,” Forster said.

    “It does seem to be that the Pacific and the Atlantic are drawing heat down from the atmosphere.”

    ~ ~ ~
    Now:
    19 May 2015, theguardian, it’s the: Indian Ocean storing up heat from global warming, says study

    By running ocean circulation models, he found that the heat stashed in the Pacific had hitched a ride on the ocean conveyor belt and danced its way through the Indonesian archipelago, ending up in the Indian Ocean.

    The Indonesian shuffle means that the Indian Ocean is now home to 70% of all heat taken up by global oceans during the past decade.
    . . .
    Pathetic.
    Maybe the heat is hiding somewhere on that gravy train the ’97% scientists’ are riding.

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      Eddie

      Reminds me of that rhyme about the Scarlet Pimpernel, which I can’t remember ?

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        Graeme No.3

        They seek it here,
        they seek it there.
        They seek that missing heat everywhere.
        Is it in Heaven, Is it in Hell?
        Send lots of money and all will be well.

        In practice there is NO missing heat; it is the gap between their theory and reality.

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          Matty

          Bravo Graeme. So apt.
          I wonder if they haven’t forgotten about the photosynthesis, all these physical scientists.
          ‘They seek it here, they seek it there,
          Those Alarmists seeking heat everywhere.
          Is it in the Arctic, is it in the Seas ,
          Has it been used by Nature, to give us all more trees ?’

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      Another Ian

      Handjive

      Seems to me that the missing heat has a habit of hiding in places where measurements are scarce.

      First the Arctic and Antarctic. But cam satellites

      Then it fled to the deep oceans. And then came Argo

      And now it has fled to the Indian Ocean – does there by any chance happen to be a lack of measurements around where it is now?

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      Glen Michel

      Rest assured there is Much heat in my bathtub.Sinks all the way down I’m afraid.

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    toorightmate

    When Kev the wrecker was Prime Minister, he didn’t worry at all about a few billion dollars here and a few billion dollars there.
    If he gets his grubby little hands on the UN, he will not be concerned about a few trillion dollars here and a few trillion dollars there.

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    pat

    ABC reports as if these are just regular, environmentally-concerned individuals, rather than what they really are – “professional protestors” with a political agenda but also pawns in a bigger game:

    20 May: ABC: Thuy Ong: Environment campaigners protest in central Sydney over Commonwealth Bank investment in fossil fuel projects
    A small group of environment campaigners set up camp outside Commonwealth Bank of Australia’s Martin Place branch in Sydney’s CBD on Wednesday to protest the bank’s investments in fossil fuel projects in the Great Barrier Reef Heritage area.
    An a capella group sang songs encouraging green living, while a man dressed in a clownfish outfit sat in a swimming pool garnished with reefs as his colleagues poured paper coal over him from fake ships.
    The rally is part of a campaign by 350.org at multiple Commonwealth Bank branches around the world this week, and protests have already occurred in Ho Chi Minh City and Auckland…
    In its latest research released in May, ***Market Forces, a not-for-profit organisation that partners with 350.org on several projects, found Commonwealth Bank is the biggest lender to fossil fuel projects within the Great Barrier Reef Heritage area…
    Australia’s coal industry makes up 4.2 percent of GDP, the equivalent of almost $60 billion according to the Minerals Council of Australia…
    The CEO of Australian Bankers Association, Steven Munchenberg, said banks were aware of customer sentiment, but coal remained a primary source of energy and revenue for Australia.
    “Equally we see that fossil fuels remain a critical part of the Australian economy. A lot of people’s jobs rely on fossil fuels, Australia’s export earnings still rely heavily on those so there are big challenges there that need to be addressed,” Mr Munchenberg said.
    “Banks are very aware of changing community attitudes, but at the moment a number of banks continue to support those industries and if customers don’t like that, it is well within their rights to change banks.”…
    The activist group, 350.org, will be holding a divestment rally on Saturday at the Commonwealth Bank branch in Chinatown.
    A Commonwealth Bank spokesman said the bank was also investing in renewable energy projects.
    “We also recognise our role in addressing the challenge of climate change, including helping organisations to transition to a low-carbon economy, investing in renewables and ensuring we have robust responsible lending practices in place,” he said.
    “In that regard we have invested in more than 170 renewable energy projects in the wind, solar, hydro and landfill gas power sectors.”
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-20/group-against-commbank-fossil-fuel-investment-protest-in-sydney/6484328

    what ABC doesn’t say:

    ***Market Forces/About Us: Market Forces believes that the banks, superannuation funds and governments that have custody of our money should use it to protect – not damage – our environment…Market Forces is proud to be an ***affiliate project of Friends of the Earth Australia and a member of the BankTrack international network, connecting us with passionate campaigners, environmental issue experts and advocates of environmentally sustainable behaviour from the finance sector. (LOL).

    not a hint in the Guardian that the Melb protest turned into a fiasco:

    20 May: Guardian: Oliver Milman: Australia’s banks have 10% loans in risky fossil fuels, says investment adviser
    Biggest four banks have about 10% of known loan arrangements in coal, oil and gas projects, which could be ‘stranded’ by policy change, research shows
    The study by investment advisory firm MSCI found that the “big four” banks – Commonwealth Bank, Westpac, ANZ and NAB – have about 10% of their total syndicated loan books allocated to borrowers involved in coal, oil and gas projects.
    ***This exposure to fossil fuel lending has increased by 64% since 2012 and suggests that Australia’s major banks are increasing their involvement in emissions-intensive industries at a time when banks around the world are pulling away, ***MSCI said…
    ***Fossil fuel assets can become “stranded” if investments are superseded by technological change or ***if governments intervene to ensure the Earth doesn’t warm beyond 2C – a guardrail that 193 of the world’s nations have signed up to…
    MSCI’s report states that the number of environmental “controversies” – which it classes as ***protest action or investigations into pollution – has leapt by 40% since 2011. ..
    ???Emily Chew, senior analyst at MSCI, said some companies were undertaking “fire sales” of assets deemed at risk of becoming stranded…
    ???“Globally, the sentiment around climate for investors and regulators is switching to lower carbon, greener, cleaner economy. The writing is on the wall for fossil fuel companies from the investment community.”…
    Climate group 350.org has been staging protests at more than 50 branches of Commonwealth Bank this week, in Australia and also overseas outposts of the bank in New York, London, Paris and Tokyo…
    On Wednesday morning, about 50 activists occupied the first floor of the Commonwealth Bank branch on Bourke Street in Melbourne…
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/20/australias-banks-have-10-loans-in-risky-fossil-fuels-says-investment-adviser

    from Wikipedia/MSCI – In mid-2007, parent company Morgan Stanley decided to divest from, and perhaps spin off, MSCI.

    still no MSM providing us with the names of the abseiling fools.

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    Brass Razoo

    If funding is what collecting & handing out other peoples money is called what’s handing out your own ?

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    Jon Hagger

    Here’s a novel idea: why don’t we all start agreeing with whatever it is they want to accomplish, then we might be able to cut ourselves in on a slice of the $89 trillion action! These people are obscene.

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    Sorry Jo, a bit off topic .. but I will get to the World Bank :o !

    “The BBC report on the dangers of El Nino and La Nina”

    There was a time when the BCC’s reporting of events in the Pacific was limited to , yes Cricket and something corny about Australia.
    As they put more support behind the “CAGW cause” one sees an increase in the news containing “El Nino” as the catch phrase, and so this week they are warning everyone (as if people from the pacific have never heard of El Nino) that Global warming will cause more severe El Ninos and have a huge impact on food supplies.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32815460

    well for those of us who live on the West Coast of America, we have had El Ninos and La Ninas for centuries and yes! it does affect our weather , but you know what BBC…
    we’re doin’ alright :D but thanks for the condescending heads up anyway

    The World Bank and Economic Growth: 50 Years of Failure

    As for the world Bank they are very much the same as the U.N. A history of incompetence and mismanagement coupled with greed and corruption !

    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1996/05/bg1082nbsp-the-world-bank-and-economic-growth

    It is difficult to have trust or faith in such an organization , especially when evidence shows that the results of their so called “help” (interference), leads to systematic and repetitive failures.

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    “The World Bank is living on another planet”

    From the BIS the total market for CDS is still about 700 trillion.
    Yes there are some Banks/Companies that are bigger financially than some countrys’ GDP.
    and yes they have been gambling “our money” on the Stock Market thanks to a bill which Clinton
    enacted during his presidency 1997 (I think it was then).
    Jo is correct when she says that the World GDP is approx. 70 Trillion.
    But each country is in debt and has to pay it back – actually we have to pay it back :( !

    Now , the U.S. Debt is 155% of GDP and Nett Debt is approx. 90% of GDP (approx)

    The figures are similar for other countries with large GDPs, incidentally those with negative debt per GDP are small countries < 5 Million people and GDPs that are very small.

    So I have to ask the World Bank – "What planet are you on ? "
    where does the world Bank expect to get this money ?? Are governments supposed to
    increase contributions to the World Bank so that it can "save the world" ?

    as one of the disappearing middle class I already pay too much tax !
    So all I have to say to the world Bank and the CAGW people is – "Go Away !"

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