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		<title>By: MSimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2014 01:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You noticed. Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You noticed. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Unmentionable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unmentionable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Svalgaard, 

You put on quite a performance in this thread and others and of the same self-belief system in things which you claim you know but don&#039;t, which was the reason I gave for dismissing you in January at WUWT. You likewise put on a ripe display of the very same rudeness and resort to paranoia about motives and agendas which you accused me of then, and which I have now repeatedly observed you apply to anyone who questions your opinions and belief-edifice in things you actually don&#039;t know. Clearly it&#039;s what you do.

I dismissed you then, as I clearly stated at the time simply because your insistent claim to know things you definitely didn&#039;t know left me no alternative at all but to dismiss you entirely. And frankly it is astonishing the people you&#039;ve attacked so falsely and baseless above didn&#039;t dismiss you as well.

Count yourself fortunate, I would not have been so generous towards someone so undeserving of polite due-regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Svalgaard, </p>
<p>You put on quite a performance in this thread and others and of the same self-belief system in things which you claim you know but don&#8217;t, which was the reason I gave for dismissing you in January at WUWT. You likewise put on a ripe display of the very same rudeness and resort to paranoia about motives and agendas which you accused me of then, and which I have now repeatedly observed you apply to anyone who questions your opinions and belief-edifice in things you actually don&#8217;t know. Clearly it&#8217;s what you do.</p>
<p>I dismissed you then, as I clearly stated at the time simply because your insistent claim to know things you definitely didn&#8217;t know left me no alternative at all but to dismiss you entirely. And frankly it is astonishing the people you&#8217;ve attacked so falsely and baseless above didn&#8217;t dismiss you as well.</p>
<p>Count yourself fortunate, I would not have been so generous towards someone so undeserving of polite due-regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 09:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you mean by &quot;less than objective&quot; he may have an axe to grind. 

I don&#039;t doubt it. Mann put him through the wringer of the courts and it must have cast Dr. Ball a fortune in litigation. Fortunately, the case was heard in Canada, and the court insisted on Mann&#039;s work which he wasn&#039;t about to deliver, so lost the case. Dr. Ball had made the witty remark that Mann &quot;belongs in the State Pen rather than Penn State.

I think the article his son alluded to was published on WUWT just the other day.
I find Dr. Ball&#039;s writing quite enlightening. But then, we share the same Alma Mater. Perhaps one must be from Winnipeg to understand the wit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you mean by &#8220;less than objective&#8221; he may have an axe to grind. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt it. Mann put him through the wringer of the courts and it must have cast Dr. Ball a fortune in litigation. Fortunately, the case was heard in Canada, and the court insisted on Mann&#8217;s work which he wasn&#8217;t about to deliver, so lost the case. Dr. Ball had made the witty remark that Mann &#8220;belongs in the State Pen rather than Penn State.</p>
<p>I think the article his son alluded to was published on WUWT just the other day.<br />
I find Dr. Ball&#8217;s writing quite enlightening. But then, we share the same Alma Mater. Perhaps one must be from Winnipeg to understand the wit.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are looking for an inflection point and don&#039;t mind whether it is real or not it&#039;s great. 

Otherwise any filter that shows peaks where the data has troughs and vice versa seems worse than useless, it&#039;s frankly misleading. 

Now if you are looking for an &quot;inflection point&quot; you need to develop some filter or other processing that detects such features, not choose a crap low-pass filter and arbitrarily imagine that&#039;s out put is meaningful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are looking for an inflection point and don&#8217;t mind whether it is real or not it&#8217;s great. </p>
<p>Otherwise any filter that shows peaks where the data has troughs and vice versa seems worse than useless, it&#8217;s frankly misleading. </p>
<p>Now if you are looking for an &#8220;inflection point&#8221; you need to develop some filter or other processing that detects such features, not choose a crap low-pass filter and arbitrarily imagine that&#8217;s out put is meaningful.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anthony refused to post my father’s most recent book.&quot;

Refused, like he has obligation to do so but did not ??

Perhaps you meant &quot;declined to post&quot; or &quot;chose not to post. 


Tim Ball gets quite a few articles posted at WUWT.  Though I do read what he has to say, I find him less than objective, on the whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anthony refused to post my father’s most recent book.&#8221;</p>
<p>Refused, like he has obligation to do so but did not ??</p>
<p>Perhaps you meant &#8220;declined to post&#8221; or &#8220;chose not to post. </p>
<p>Tim Ball gets quite a few articles posted at WUWT.  Though I do read what he has to say, I find him less than objective, on the whole.</p>
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		<title>By: MSimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are looking for an inflection point and not magnitudes it seems like such a filter would be very useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are looking for an inflection point and not magnitudes it seems like such a filter would be very useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“sod busters” ?? sounds a bit like gay bashing. Not PC.</description>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Evans: &quot;The obvious and simplest way to remove most of the sunspot cycle and reveal the underlying trend is to apply an 11-year smoother to the TSI.&quot;

Sadly, though simple, running mean &quot;smoothers&quot; are a crock. The sudden drop is largely a result of artefacts in that filter.

http://climategrog.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/triple-running-mean-filters/

There is a notable drop but the &#039;falling off the cliff&#039; effect is an artefact. 

I&#039;ve already pointed this out. It is surprising that you don&#039;t question how you can have such a steep and sudden drop when you imagine you have removed all changes faster than 11 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Evans: &#8220;The obvious and simplest way to remove most of the sunspot cycle and reveal the underlying trend is to apply an 11-year smoother to the TSI.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sadly, though simple, running mean &#8220;smoothers&#8221; are a crock. The sudden drop is largely a result of artefacts in that filter.</p>
<p><a href="http://climategrog.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/triple-running-mean-filters/" rel="nofollow">http://climategrog.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/triple-running-mean-filters/</a></p>
<p>There is a notable drop but the &#8216;falling off the cliff&#8217; effect is an artefact. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already pointed this out. It is surprising that you don&#8217;t question how you can have such a steep and sudden drop when you imagine you have removed all changes faster than 11 years.</p>
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		<title>By: D. J. Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. J. Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2014 23:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctors bury their mistakes one at a time, engineers by the dozen.  If you wonder who is more cautious, check out the E&amp;O rates for engineers vs. malpractice rates for doctors.</description>
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		<title>By: David Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for the double post,....</description>
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		<title>By: David Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MSimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A link to the book? The Title? Possibly the Author&#039;s Name?</description>
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		<title>By: David Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been increasingly disappointed by WUWT?. Anthony refused to post my father&#039;s most recent book. Dr. William Gray (look him up if you&#039;ve never heard of him, but don&#039;t go to wikipedia, for obvious reasons) said my father&#039;s book is one of the best books he has ever read. Father knows the science as well as anyone, and also the gatekeepers of the science, and the political machinations used to further the CAGW meme.  
I suggest you read it if you can find the time, Jo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been increasingly disappointed by WUWT?. Anthony refused to post my father&#8217;s most recent book. Dr. William Gray (look him up if you&#8217;ve never heard of him, but don&#8217;t go to wikipedia, for obvious reasons) said my father&#8217;s book is one of the best books he has ever read. Father knows the science as well as anyone, and also the gatekeepers of the science, and the political machinations used to further the CAGW meme.<br />
I suggest you read it if you can find the time, Jo.</p>
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		<title>By: wvally</title>
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		<dc:creator>wvally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2014 06:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for getting to the heart of the matter.  I&#039;ve learned quite a bit on WUWT.  But I started noticing several months ago that Lief and Willis and one other were strident on the solar issue, in a way that contradicts the whole ethos of the skeptic movement.  And I began to wonder.

Credibility established by agreeing that the current models are wrong, but then misdirection from the reason. Appeals to authority and insistence on adherence to a specific interpretation right in line with the climate science establishment.

It will be interesting to see whether Anthony Watts figures out what&#039;s up ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for getting to the heart of the matter.  I&#8217;ve learned quite a bit on WUWT.  But I started noticing several months ago that Lief and Willis and one other were strident on the solar issue, in a way that contradicts the whole ethos of the skeptic movement.  And I began to wonder.</p>
<p>Credibility established by agreeing that the current models are wrong, but then misdirection from the reason. Appeals to authority and insistence on adherence to a specific interpretation right in line with the climate science establishment.</p>
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