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Bingo! We’re back… :-)

There are many details to iron out, but thanks to some pesky hacks, I now have a bigger support team, a larger network of shared expertise, a much larger server and eventually, as we work through the site, a more efficient, faster site, that is more resilient, more stable, with a better back up system. I’ve also had a few very helpful donations.

We’re not protected by a soft media, a large public purse, and we don’t hide behind a censored fake debate as so many do.

They can attack, but it only makes us stronger.

More soon…

 

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The Temporary site is still up, and may stay there indefinitely. So  if you had a comment or conversation there: Not there yet, Still not there yetI needed a holiday and  “Sunny Days” . Thanks for your patience.

 


Australian Environment Foundation Conference in Sydney

Meet like-minded people and be a part of some rational science in Sydney on Oct 20 & 21.

David Evans is a keynote speaker, along with Stuart Franks, Alan Oxley, Walter Stark & David Stockwell too. I’ll have more to say on this conference soon. Book your tickets now! Late bookings will miss out on the Harbor Cruise.

 


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    Reed Coray

    Jo,

    Welcome back.

    Is there any chance of (a) identifying the hackers, and (b) prosecuting them for a crime?

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      I doubt it. If the UK’s Norfolk Police can’t do it, why should anyone else succeed. Interesting similarity between CRU and SKS hacks don’t you think?

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        KinkyKeith

        Hi Martin

        Impressive credentials for a politician.

        Too bad you haven’t studied any of the basic sciences that would qualify you to comment sensibly on Man Made Global Warming.

        ps.

        Don’t kid yourself that anything you do with your “Sustainable’ intervention politics is going to save the planet for me or my children.

        kk

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          I’m not sure what you’re on about, Keith, as I am very clearly not a politician. I am a scientist who just happens to have an MA in Environmental Politics: My original Geology degree gives me a better than average understanding of palaeoclimatology; my MSc in Hydrogeology has given me extensive hands-on experience of using probabilistic computer models; and my MA has helped me understand the lengths big business has gone to obfuscate inconvenient scientific facts.

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            KinkyKeith

            “has given me extensive hands-on experience of using probabilistic computer models”

            “has given me extensive hands-on experience of using probabilistic computer models”

            “has given me extensive hands-on experience of using probabilistic computer models”

            NOT much Physics, Orbital Mechanics, Chemistry or Thermodynamics so how does “my having also got an

            MA in Environmental Politics and, as such, as the tagline indicates, is a blog on “the politics &

            psychology underlying the denial of all environmental problems”… I hope you will take this on board;

            and enjoy the discussion.”"

            Ha Ha “The psychology of Denialism”

            What a load of CR$P

            You seem to have given up Science along way back to focus on Politics.

            KK

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            Roy Hogue

            What happened to your, “strategic retreat”, Martin?

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            Keith – I don’t think much of your maths: I am over 47 years old and (20 years after completing an MSc) I only started my MA two years ago. Therefore, I do not see how you can possibly describe me has having “given up Science along [sic] way back”. However, once a cherry-picker always a cherry-picker, eh? Selective blindness must be so comforting to you in these difficult times…

            Roy – You will have to forgive me: I am still not going to get bogged-down in a competition to see who can cite the most peer-reviewed papers. I was merely enticed back by the stupendous hypocrisy on show here (and there).

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            KinkyKeith

            Hi Roy

            It’s a great feeling to know the truth of any given situation in life and understand that you really do have a good grip on at least one part of life.

            Human relationships and politics are fraught with deceit, self interest and even self deception and we all get caught up in it one way or another and suffer doubt and disappointment.

            This is why so many people are attracted to science.

            It is real, you can test it and know that it is real, you can see it work in predictable ways and it

            feels good that at least this one little thing in our lives, Science, is so constant and lacking in

            deceit or even the capacity for deceit.

            So it comes as something of a shock and disappointment to find that some people can’t even get science

            straight and that they succumb to the deception of others, or become entrained in Groupthink, and are

            unable to establish a little bit of reality to stand on for just a little moment in their lives, just

            so that they can know the feeling of having “Understood Something”.

            To own that feeling is “Science”.

            I feel very sad for politicians and Group thinkers who have never experienced this Eureka moment and

            even sadder when they make public their scientific ineptitude and have people point at them and say

            “Poor guy, he’s scientifically Illiterate and is a follower of the Grand Wizard Algore”.

            Tragic that science has come to this.

            kk

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            Roy Hogue

            I was merely enticed back by the stupendous hypocrisy on show here (and there).

            Why do I have trouble believing that, Martin?

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            My original Geology degree gives me a better than average understanding of palaeoclimatology; my MSc in Hydrogeology has given me extensive hands-on experience of using probabilistic computer models; and my MA has helped me understand the lengths big business has gone to obfuscate inconvenient scientific facts.

            Yeah I do all that too, and all I’ve got is an MBd (Master of Bullshit detection). It comes with a 53yr guarantee.

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            KinkyKeith

            Martin

            Having read a lot of your contributions they are starting to look like the template used by a number of previous visitors here.

            Yes I know you have a website and claim to have degrees in a, b and c but you seem not to value scholarship and so wen must consider the possibilities:

            1. You are a genuine degree holder and have worked hard for that qualification but have been taken in by the Big Warming Scam and are an unwitting victim.

            2. You do not have any qualifications and are a robotic trained mouthpiece of the CAGW machine working as a paid blogger.

            3. You have a degree but see it as means to an end and don’t value science or scholarship. You want Juliars job and will adopt the green mantle to achieve your political ambitions.

            What are you doing here?

            KK

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    Scott

    Fan bloody tastic welcome back Jo and team.

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    pat

    i posted the latest wacky “carbon trading” news under the “massive eltanin meteor” thread earlier, just to see if all was in working order, and they posted fine.

    just posted the following at WUWT:

    it seems like only yesterday that greens/unions & environmental groups worldwide were storming Rio Tinto AGMs. little did they know Rio has been with the CAGW program for at least a decade!

    28 Sept: SMH: Paddy Manning: Rio Tinto sees man-made climate change
    Climate change is occurring and is largely caused by human activities, miner Rio Tinto’s head of coal in Australia, Bill Champion told a Brisbane conference this morning.
    In a speech on sustainable development and mining, Mr Champion said the “scale of the necessary emissions reductions and the need for adaptation, coupled with the world’s increasing requirements for secure, affordable energy, create large challenges which require worldwide attention”.
    Rio Tinto has factored a carbon price into its investment decision-making for the past 10 years, Mr Champion said…
    “We recognise the value of action on climate change…
    “We factor into our planning and decision-making, including our choice of investments, the costs and associated risks of emissions and business disruption, as well as the costs and benefits of mitigation and adaptation, and the opportunities created for our business by the move to a low-carbon economy.”…
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/rio-tinto-sees-manmade-climate-change-20120928-26pr8.html

    28 Sept: Australian Financial Review: Miners face ‘social licence’ to operate, says Rio
    Green mining technologies such as carbon capture will be a big industry in the future, Rio Tinto’s Australian coal boss says…
    One of the key questions for companies such as Rio Tinto would be how to keep their “social licence” to operate…
    http://afr.com/p/business/companies/miners_face_social_licence_to_operate_aPEexNxDkX834i2CGPCYAJ

    you have to laugh, jo. thanx again to all who have helped to get the site back up.

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      Bob in Castlemaine

      Indeed it is most disappointing to see someone who really should know better issue such a fawning statement of admiration for the Emperor’s New Clothes.

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      Welcome back Jo. I hope the new measures will keep The Empire at bay and allow you to focus on the vital task you perform so well.

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      KinkyKeith

      Hi Pat

      Thanks for highlighting the collaboration between Big Coal ie RIO and WWF , Green-piece, The UNIPCC and all of the other beneficiaries of the Man Made Global Warming scam.

      Strange bedfellows until you see the glue that binds them all.

      Kev “The Sequestrator” Rudd may be able to parlay all of this connected monetised greenness into a UN Post in the near future even if Australia fails in its bid to buy a seat of influence.

      All things work together for good for those who believe in Green.

      KK

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    Tom Paradise

    Is Rio Tinto controlled by old British oligarchical interests? I ask because so many of the pro-carbon tax ideologues are of the old British oligarchical persuasion.

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      Len

      Apaprently the Queen is the biggest private shareholder.

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      memoryvault

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      Rio Tinto is dual-listed on the stock exchanges in England and Australia. In both cases the bulk of share ownership is spread across 65 separate holding companies. Of these, 62 are either directly owned, or controlled by Rothschilds investment groups.

      Rothschilds acquired direct control of the original Rio Tinto company and mines in Spain in 1880. The current intertwined multiple holding company arrangement is primarily to meet varying foreign ownership laws in different countries, and to minimise taxation obligations.

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    Andrew Barnham

    Myself and a couple of others are helping Joanne get the site up and running.

    For what it’s worth, I do not believe the cause of the failure was a malicious powerful hack. Joanne’s site simply outgrow the modest capacities and competencies of her prior provider.

    Building a high volume site on a shoe string is challenging; and personally slightly outside my domain expertise. But learning fast. Minor turbulence expected ahead, but will be back into the swing of things before too long.

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      Dylan

      Thank-you, Andrew.

      They can attack, but it only makes us stronger.

      ‘They’? This is conspiracy talk. Please stop.

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        David T, who managed the site and saw the logs from May – Sept has repeatedly told me there was malicious hacking activity, XSS hacks and DOS attacks as well as the banal overactive bots, spiders and scrapers. The Openwire team before that can confirm we had DOS attacks. The problems on Saturday stem from four months of cumulative load of all of the above. If we weren’t subject to some malicious load, we would not have had to move this week.

        Your transparent agenda to paint us as conspiracy theorists is a bore.

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        Bob Massey

        Another Lewidite, quite right Jo a total bore.

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        KinkyKeith

        Nothing Original about you.

        Is there Mick!

        KK

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        Bite Back

        Watch it Dylan. I think you’re on the long list of those who know nothing of what they’re talking about but see no problem in talking big anyway.

        Come back when you know whether you’re standing on your feet or your head.

        In the meantime, I’ll believe those who were there and have the data.

        You have heard of that — actually having the data to support your assertions. Maybe? Or have you?

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      A DDoS has the potential to overwhelm any site. Even a “cloud”.

      The fundamental problem isn’t necessarily one of poor security at the target of such an attack, but the poor security at the millions of computers that are part of one or more botnets. Without their “help”, a DDoS wouldn’t be practical.

      I blogged an article about that earlier this week.

      I am no longer surprised that few people consider the security of their own computers to be somebody else’s problem. (“I have installed anti-virus software”) I’ve tired of trying to instruct them if they pay no heed to warnings.

      This is not a technological problem; it’s one of human society. You cannot fix such things with technology. No gadget, server or “cloud” will stop people from being selfish, ignorant, stupid, careless or criminal.

      Trying to fix such problems with technology is always a waste of time and resources. Technology can at best address specific symptoms, not the underlying disease.

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    u.k.(us)

    Sorry for the O/T

    Bingo, indeed.
    Great to have you back !!

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    Billy NZ

    Welcome back Jo,Thanks for all your good work from NZ

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    pat

    what a joke…er coke:

    25 Sept: Scientific American: Reuters: Coke Teams Up with Segway Inventor to Roll Out Clean Water Project
    Coca-Cola Co plans to deliver and operate water purification systems in rural parts of the developing world, working with the inventor of the Segway transportation device in a project that will also help further Coke’s sustainability targets…
    (Dean) Kamen, whose organization is called Deka R&D, has made many inventions in the medical device field but is best-known for his Segway personal transporter. He also worked with Coke on its Freestyle fountain dispenser…
    “For us to partner with Deka and embark on a project with huge societal implications gives me huge excitement,” Coke Chief Executive Muhtar Kent told Reuters. “And it fits perfectly with our other sustainability pillars, such as our goal for water neutrality.”…
    Coke declined to quantify its financial investment, but Kent said the company would dedicate “whatever funds are necessary” to make the project meaningful…
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coke-segway-inventor-team-up-on-cle

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    pat

    the CAGW theory of everything:

    19 Sept: Reuters: Alister Doyle: Climate change threatens nature from coffee to Arctic fox-forum
    Price said Colombian coffee plantations, for instance, would have to be shifted to higher altitudes and onto more shaded northern slopes as temperatures rose. “It’s going to require wholesale movements of coffee plantations in Colombia,” he (Jeff Price, coordinator of the Wallace Initiative) said.
    That could put coffee more into competition with habitats for rare tropical animals and plants…
    In Scandinavia, the Arctic fox is among animals under pressure since climate change is reducing the availability of its main prey, the lemming. And red foxes, bigger than their Arctic cousins, are moving north as temperatures warm.
    “In a bad lemming year there won’t be many Arctic foxes born,” Anouschka Hof, of Umea University in Sweden told the GBIF, which is funded by governments…
    Warming temperatures are also be a threat to many northern plants. The northern bilberry, for instance, may gain niches such as on the coast of Greenland in coming decades but will lose far bigger areas to the south.
    “There are not many place where the northern plants can move into. The Arctic is mainly ocean,” said Inger Greve Alsos of the University of Tromsoe in Norway. “We expect a loss of range for many plants.”…
    An early peak to greenhouse gases would give the biggest respite to animals in places such as the Amazon basin, southern Africa, southern Australia, parts of Russia and Asia.
    Plants would also benefit most in the Andes, southern Africa and Australia, according to ***modeling*** by the Wallace Initiative, named after British naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace, the co-author with Charles Darwin of the theory of evolution in 1858…
    http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/us-climate-species-idINBRE88I0ZB20120919

    Wallace? all the usual suspects:

    March 2010: CIAT: The Wallace Initiative: Preserving Biodiversity in an Era of Change
    by Julian Ramirez-Villegas
    Last year during a meeting at Copenhagen in March, our program leader Andy Jarvis performed a set of very interesting presentations on the impacts of climate change on agriculture and biodiversity. Luckily, and thanks to our hard work, and to substantial efforts done by Jeff Price from WWF, Rachel Warren from Tyndall Centre, and to the funding provided by GBIF, The Wallace Initiative was born…
    We then held a meeting in Tyndall Centre in August, while I was visiting the UK to receive training on UK MetOffice’s PRECIS modeling system…
    A new member of the Wallace Initiative was then appointed. Amy McDougall, a PhD student from University of East Anglia, under Rachel’s supervision. We invited Amy to Colombia, to learn the whole thing of modeling that we’re doing at CIAT under The Wallece Inititative framework. Some of her feelings:
    “It has been said that modelers are the James Bonds of the Scientific Community, stepping out into the tropical heat of a Cali evening, there was no one I felt less like. However, I came to Cali on a mission- as a newly appointed member of the Wallace Initiative Team, it was time to learn my trade.”…
    http://dapa.ciat.cgiar.org/the-wallace-initiative-preserving-biodiversity-in-an-era-of-change/

    ABCG Adaptation Workshop: Climate Tools
    The Wallace Initiative is a collaboration of WWF-US, Tyndall Climate Change Centre (University of East Anglia), Center for Tropical Biodiversity and Climate Change and Research Center (James Cook University), National Climate Change Adaptation Research Facility, Global Biodiversity Information Facility, and Center for Tropical Agriculture…
    Wallace Initiative will be fully launched around September 2011…
    http://frameweb.org/adl/en-US/7475/file/997/Climate%20Tools.pdf

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    JohnB

    Having problems accessing most commented links

    Sends my browser to never never land

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      JohnB

      To be clear: The “Most commented” links

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        JohnB

        Sorry

        One more (maybe good news)

        Actually can access problem links IF I wait long enough …

        … Meanwhile Task Manager reports my browser as Not Responding

        … Can’t abort the loading without “ending task” which kills all
        open browsers

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    NicG.

    Hi Jo.
    Missed you. Great to see you are back. Best wishes and good luck with the new site.
    Cheers.
    NicG.

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    pat

    have twice tried to post on Wallace Initiative. not going thru, might be in spam!

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    Otter

    Fortress Nova Rises! YES!

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    Great news and I hope you enjoyed your holiday.

    As so often happens with alarmist operations, it simply wasn’t thought through. Beyond a momentary nuisance value, what lasting impact, if any, was it expected to achieve?

    One way or another, Jo’s site will soon be back up again, with nothing but the lasting impression being left, that the attack mobilised the entire skeptic community to rally to her aid. Not only did it give Jo a long overdue and well-earned break, but it unleashed a very inclusive tsunami of offers of sympathy, support, help, expertise and donations, from right across the skeptic blogosphere. You could feel the love. Instead of taking out one person in that community, it instead succeeded in unifying the whole damn community. I’m sure the experience will form the basis of a few interesting pieces by Jo.

    Given the Australian context of the criminal act, it turned out to be yet another propaganda boomerang.

    http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/intentions-profiles-and-predictability/

    Pointman

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    Grumpy old man

    Hoorah!!

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    Phillip Bratby

    It’s the law of unintended consequences, which they have never been able to understand. They have made you stronger and better. This is excellent news.

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    Byron

    From the Man who is trying to bring in an internet filter and wants to monitor Your every move on the net as well , a “Mwahahahaha” moment .

    I hope I`m not the only one who finds this sort of attitude in a communications Minister a little disturbing

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    Jo, I think my previous post might be jammed in the spam queue.

    Pointman

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    Anton

    Welcome back Jo. Stay cool. Just like the climate.

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    The Quiet Farmer

    Welcome back and a big thank you to the people who made it happen. Malicious attacks against the newspaper publisher in the old westerns seemed to be a common way to silence disent.

    In the interim I was wondering what “rights” a web site has? Is it covered under publishing style copyright or can action be taken as if your house was ransacked.
    Given Norfolk Constabulary preambulations around the ClimateGate affair, I was wondering what protection, if any, there is under law?

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    pat

    the CAGW theory of everything:

    19 Sept: Reuters: Alister Doyle: Climate change threatens nature from coffee
    to Arctic fox-forum
    Price said Colombian coffee plantations, for instance, would have to be
    shifted to higher altitudes and onto more shaded northern slopes as
    temperatures rose. “It’s going to require wholesale movements of coffee
    plantations in Colombia,” he (Jeff Price, coordinator of the Wallace
    Initiative) said.
    That could put coffee more into competition with habitats for rare tropical
    animals and plants…
    In Scandinavia, the Arctic fox is among animals under pressure since climate
    change is reducing the availability of its main prey, the lemming. And red
    foxes, bigger than their Arctic cousins, are moving north as temperatures
    warm.
    “In a bad lemming year there won’t be many Arctic foxes born,” Anouschka
    Hof, of Umea University in Sweden told the GBIF, which is funded by
    governments…
    Warming temperatures are also be a threat to many northern plants. The
    northern bilberry, for instance, may gain niches such as on the coast of
    Greenland in coming decades but will lose far bigger areas to the south.
    “There are not many place where the northern plants can move into. The
    Arctic is mainly ocean,” said Inger Greve Alsos of the University of Tromsoe
    in Norway. “We expect a loss of range for many plants.”…
    An early peak to greenhouse gases would give the biggest respite to animals
    in places such as the Amazon basin, southern Africa, southern Australia,
    parts of Russia and Asia.
    Plants would also benefit most in the Andes, southern Africa and Australia,
    according to ***modeling*** by the Wallace Initiative, named after British
    naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace, the co-author with Charles Darwin of the
    theory of evolution in 1858…
    http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/us-climate-species-idINBRE88I0ZB20120919

    Wallace? all the usual suspects:

    ABCG Adaptation Workshop: Climate Tools
    The Wallace Initiative is a collaboration of WWF-US, Tyndall Climate Change
    Centre (University of East Anglia), Center for Tropical Biodiversity and
    Climate Change and Research Center (James Cook University), National Climate
    Change Adaptation Research Facility, Global Biodiversity Information
    Facility, and Center for Tropical Agriculture …
    http://frameweb.org/adl/en-US/7475/file/997/Climate%20Tools.pdf

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      Bob Massey

      Pat, all this rhetoric is doing is making coffee, Arctic Fox fur and any other item that will be affected by Climate Change more expensive in the future, it’s called talking up the economy but at our expense and it’s typical dribble.

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    handjive

    Tony Abbott says that a warming climate is a good thing!

    Tony Abbott wants to waste $10 Billion dollars plus+ to stop the climate from getting warmer. (6.10 minutes in video)

    Confused?

    Welcome back Ms. Jo, & many thanks to the techs & company for making it possible.

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    Skitzo

    Welcome back Jo ! By far my favorite website, is back ! Keep stickin it to’em !!

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    Bob Massey

    Welcome back Jo, I have been having withdrawal symptoms. Thanks to your contributors and yourself for getting the site back up and running I missed it.

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    John from CA

    Welcome back Jo, new site is very fast.

    Interesting thread over at Climate Etc.

    Skeptics: make your best case. Part II

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    Yes, welcome back Jo!
    Missed your insightful analysis.

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    Andrew McRae

    Hooray! Jo in da house, yo. C’est Nouveau Nova, tres bien!

    - – - –

    BarnabyIsRight had a rather intriguing revelation back in Nov last year which I am surprised I never heard about before. Bankster paw prints are on the Clean Energy Future legislation, and 99% of the bill is just a distraction. check it out.

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    ATheoK

    Aahhh! How pleasant and comforting it is to have your site pop up when clicked on.

    It is a serious hole in my day when I can’t reach your site for a reality check. Especially when “No frakking Consensus” is temporarily quiet.

    Welcome back Jo!

    From a fan in the States…

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    Welcome back.
    Throughout history those with a weak case try to prevent any contrary opinions. It is an expression of the weakness of the so-called science that the contrary opinions are never acknowledged, with increasing efforts for them not to be heard at all. The attacks on your blog are just a more extreme version of the work of desmogblog, skepticalscience and Lewandowsky. But in essence it is the same.

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    KinkyKeith

    Well I’ll Be doggone.

    The worlds best web site is back!

    Congratulations to all who did the work to achieve this.

    KK

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    Bite Back

    Welcome back from the resident anititroll. :-)

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    Apoxonbothyourhouses

    I know this is repetitious but it really is wonderful to have you back. I have a warm fuzzy feeling not linked to bladder problems! And a big thank you all the behind-the-scenes guys who have helped restore the site. Go get ‘em Jo but please do remember the occasionally smell the roses.

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    matty

    Last few days might have been the first time Mr Lewandowsky has managed a smile in a while.

    Then it was gone!

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    jonathan frodsham

    Jo welcome back. I missed you and your dedicated readers dreadfully. So in celebration of that I have sent you a donation as I see you are still waiting for that huge donation from big oil that will never come as that idea is just a warmist conspiracy. Keep up the good work, you are a hero of mine.

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    pat

    time to contact your Super Fund, your bank, or whoever has your retirement funds, in writing, to object to the following desperate plea:

    29 Sept: News Ltd: The $60 trillion push to turn funds green
    A GLOBAL project aims to encourage pension and superannuation fund members to shift some of their $60 trillion in savings into funds that support clean and green technology.
    Deutsche Bank estimates less than two per cent of money held by pension, superannuation and sovereign wealth funds is invested in low-carbon assets.
    Now the independent, not-for-profit Asset Owners Disclosure Project (AODP) is asking the world’s largest 1000 asset owners to reveal how they are addressing climate change and the “green economy”…
    A related project, The Vital Few, launched in New York overnight, is aimed at getting fund members to join forces and put pressure on fund trustees to shift assets to climate-friendly investments and protect their savings from the risk posed by climate change.
    Some of the biggest Australian funds to be covered by the global index include ARIA, AMP, AustralianSuper, Colonial First State, Commonwealth Bank, Westpac and Perpetual.
    John O’Connor, from the Climate Institute which is the Australian home of the AODP, said there were dual benefits from the projects.
    “It’s about encouraging people to redirect their savings from ***high-carbon, high-risk investments to ones that can help secure a sustainable and prosperous low-carbon future and ensure safe member returns,” Mr O’Connor told AAP…
    http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/the-60-trillion-push-to-turn-funds-green/story-e6frfkur-1226483864148

    ***who are they trying to fool? what could be more high-risk than sinking people’s retirement funds into CAGW (ad)ventures?

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      Roy Hogue

      It’s about encouraging people to redirect their savings from ***high-carbon, high-risk investments to ones that can help secure a sustainable and prosperous low-carbon future and ensure safe member returns.

      Sustainable and prosperous — don’t they call that an oxymoron? And it’s a double oxymoron when you add in “safe returns”.

      I wonder where they have their own investments.

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    RoyFOMR

    Maybe a less-than-popular sentiment but I’ve started so …
    Thank you, young hackers from the bottom of my heart.
    Thro’ an admirable sense of dedication to exposing truth and integrity you’ve stuck it out.
    True, you’ve taken a fair bit of flack by so doing but, by your efforts, you’ve moved this site along the spectrum from ‘infra-raidable’ to ‘ultra-defensible’
    Ok, we’re not into the realms of the ‘hard ultra-violent’ yet and,far less, the ‘x-rated’ bands but it’s not for the lack of you folks trying.
    A high-five from me. As Winston once said. KBO.
    Dunno about the ‘KO’ bit but you epitomise the ‘B’ bit for me.
    Respect!

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    pat

    not-for-profit, of course!

    Asset Owners Disclosure Project (AODP): Our Board
    Chairman: Dr John Hewson is the former leader of the Liberal Party of Australia.
    Executive Director: Julian Poulter is the Founder and Executive Director of the Asset Owners Disclosure Project. He is also Business Director of research and advocacy group The Climate Institute, based in Australia…
    Director: Sharan Burrow is the General Secretary at the International Trade Union Confederation, guiding policies and initiatives for its 175 million members. She was previously president of the Australian Council of Trade Unions…
    Director: John Connor is the Chief Executive Officer of climate change research and advocacy group The Climate Institute, based in Australia, ensuring high level analysis and information are introduced to the climate debate…
    John has worked on numerous government advisory panels, most recently for the Prime Minister’s Task Group on Energy Efficiency, and is a member of Westpac’s Customer Consultative Council, the Board of the Environment Defenders Office, the Commonwealth Government’s NGO Roundtable on Climate Change, the NSW Government’s Climate Council, and is a “Governator” with the Australian Youth Climate Coalition…
    Dr. Andrew Hylton: Dr Andrew Hilton OBE is Director of the Centre for the Study of Financial Innovation (CSFI), a non-profit think-tank, since 1993 supported by 65 City institutions, that looks at the future of the global financial system…
    Andrew has worked for the World Bank, run a financial advisory service for the Financial Times in New York and is a board member of the Observatoire de la Finance in Geneva. Andrew has a PhD from the University of Pennsylvania, and MBA from Wharton and an MA from New College, Oxford.
    http://aodproject.net/index.php/about/our-board

    AODP: Our Partners
    The Climate Institute is one of the original partners of the AODP and has been involved since its launch in 2009. Established in late 2005, The Climate Institute is a non-partisan, independent, not-for-profit research organisation that works with community, business, academia and government to catalyse and drive the change and innovation needed for a low pollution economy and culture.
    Baker & McKenzie have supported the AODP since its conception. Baker & McKenzie is at the forefront of global climate change law and has worked with government and industry around the risks and opportunities climate change presents.
    http://aodproject.net/index.php/about/our-partners

    27 Sept: Facebook: LAUNCH OF THE VITAL FEW SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN
    By Climate Week NYC
    Press Conference to officially launch areyouthevitalfew.org social media platform, an initiative of the AODP. This social media platform will help mobilise capital from the worlds single largest source of wealth, The Pension Fund industry, towards the low carbon economy. THE VITAL FEW platform will empower individuals to take control of their future.
    http://www.facebook.com/events/469268683103750

    Areyouthevitalfew.org
    http://areyouthevitalfew.org/

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      Thanks Pat :-)
      Copied this and your subsequent post into my Super records. This AODP mob could have tendrils anywhere.

      “time to contact your Super Fund, your bank, or whoever has your retirement funds, in writing, to object to the following desperate plea”

      Maybe we need to create a pro forma for this? I flicked the item to Simon at ACM yesterday as Jo’s site was down, then (probably for the first time) read all of LGsuper’s Annual Report. Ok. Nothing so far, but I don’t think I’ll rely on that.

      Perhaps the most vulnerable would be industry funds that have union representatives on their boards?

      Not so long ago ACTU were pushing for super funds to invest in “clean and green technology”. Duh.
      (No disrespect intended, just inability to suspend disbelief. I was a union member and accredited representative for half my full-time working life.)

      (Btw – also getting DNS errors, apparently now fixed by adding the IP address to hosts file.)

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    Alexander K

    It’s great to click on JoNova and have your site jump onto my screen, but I missed you something wicked while you were down!
    Congrats to you and the toilers in your particular vineyard.
    My day is never complete without a comprehensive read through your contributions.
    Best wishes,
    Alexander K

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    My ISP’s nameservers are slow to react to the changes. Don’t seem to be able to find a nameserver that doesn’t time out.

    I added OpenDNS to the list of servers that might know better (than my in-house one) and now it finds this blog much more reliably.

    (Still wondering what’s happened to a comment I made about an hour ago…)

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      Andrew McRae

      I am also wondering what happened to the comment I made last night.

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        It must be “stuck”. My previous comment can’t be resubmitted because the server knows that it’s a duplicate. So it’s not lost.

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          @Bernd: “It must be stuck … ”

          Could be. On the other hand, it will now be running a little slower due to the different location.
          If you are using Windows, try pasting the following into your hosts file:

          54.251.35.28 joannenova.com.au

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            DNS timed out. i.e. looking up the hostname via my local ISP. joannenova.com.au’s nameservers by computer-support.com.au are very slow to respond.

            I know that my invisible, previously-posted articles are on the server because it responds with a “duplicate comment” error. For it to know that it’s a duplicate, it must therefore have a copy; or at least a hash thereof. Either way, it had the comment at some stage.

            I have similar problems on other WP-based blogs such as NoTricksZone.

            The content may trigger an issue. Comments without URLs seem to appear fairly quickly. Perhaps it’s the anti-spam measures.

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    Hi Jo, I am glad to see you have been able to recover your domain and your data.

    I would, however, want to take issue with one comment you made: “we don’t hide behind a censored fake debate”. As a microbiologist yourself, I presume you would accept that scientific truth is what it is; and cannot be changed by any amount of debate (fake or otherwise)? If so, the only debate to be had is as to whether an individual is really trying to find that truth; or obfuscate it.

    You cannot have a debate about whether 1+1=2; you can only have a dialectical discussion about whose perception of reality is most likely to be correct.

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      KinkyKeith

      As I said earlier Martin.

      You just don’t seem to be qualified to assess the material up for assessment in the Global Climate warming Man Made Change scam.

      An MA in politics just doesn’t count and you appear to have little in the way of thermodynamics except the basics in Chem 11 if you even got that far.

      kk

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        Nice ad hom., Keith. Would you care to justify any of it? Just because my blog is focused on the reasons why organisations spend so much time denying their responsibility for environmental problems does not mean I don’t understand the science. Furthermore, I am not the one whose position comes perilously close to disputing the validity of the Second Law of Thermodynamics and/or the concept of Entropy. If, despite your pathetic bluster, you are struggling to make the connection between these things and the Greenhouse Effect, the following may help:
        Conserving mass, energy and water (11 July 2012); and/or
        Entropy – an unauthorised biography (7 Sept 2012).

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      I presume you would accept that scientific truth is what it is; and cannot be changed by any amount of debate (fake or otherwise)?

      Do you wish to rephrase that maybe? You see, scientific ‘truth’ is what we think it is at the time. That ‘truth’ can and does change when new evidence comes to light.
      History is replete with examples, do I really need to provide you with one? Try the sun revolving around the earth for starters. That was ‘scientific fact’ of its time.

      Nature is what it is, the universe is what it is. Facts, as we know them, are merely millimetres on the road of light years of knowledge. Those who think any debate in science is settled, are only fooling themselves.

      p.s. 1+1=2 is a mathematical construct that’s not always true in nature. Context is king in this regard.

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    crakar

    hey good to see you back Jo, i (we) appreciate all that you do.

    regards

    Crakar

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    Thank you, thank you, Jo Nova, for all your efforts to protect:

    a.) The integrity of government science, and
    b.) Constitutional limits on government.

    We cannot have a.) without b.)

    When the dust settles, your Climategate timeline will be an important part of history.

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

    PS – Did you see Dr. J. Marvin Herndon’s new e-book on NASA Science: A Betrayal of Trust http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/nasa-x2019-s-science-j-marvin-herndon/1112902675

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    michael hart

    Good to have you back Joanne. Best regards to Andrew Barnham and others who help you on site.

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    Grumpy old man

    Just found this over at WUWT. Those with a qualification in Environmental polemics may find it useful in understanding why so many people here are sceptical about argument from authority and CAGW science in general.

    http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i38/Down-Dirty-Science.html

    Though it is difficult to assimilate facts that argue with pre-conceptions.

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    theRealUniverse

    “Forcings are difficult to unravel.” yes I dont like this term.It isnt used in most branches of physics. Only climate so called ‘psuedo science’. We should refer to radiation IR. solar proton flux and magnetic disturbances. There is ONLY 2 possible sources of energy input to the planet. Solar and geophysical. i.e. thermal heat from below the mantle. Solar wins mostly although under sea vocanism magnitude isnt measured. Effect magnitude unknown.
    The models dont even take into the simple notion that the planet rotates! No wonder they cant work . All assume a constant atmosphere with some fictitious average temperature. Which doesnt exist.

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    Good stuff Jo, great to see you’re up and running again.
    -TB-

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