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Newspoll — New record low for Gillard

We all knew a fall was coming after the debacle with the Malaysian swap of asylum seekers for refugees.

The Australian:

Tony Abbott’s record lead over Julia Gillard: Newspoll

After a devastating decision in the High Court last week wiped out the Prime Minister’s Malaysia Solution for asylum-seekers, Labor’s primary vote has stuck at a record low of 27 per cent.

The Coalition’s has risen to 50 per cent – the highest since John Howard was prime minister at the time of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks.

The Greens dropped from 14 to 12.

Based on preference flows at the last election, the Coalition has an all-time high two-party-preferred vote of 59 per cent compared with Labor’s 41 per cent. Such a result at an election would reduce Labor to a rump of a party, wiping out dozens of Labor MPs including many ministers.

The ALP need to more than just replace Gillard: they must dump the deadly policies, clean up the union corruption, and worse, lose the political correctness at their core.

If they implicitly admit they were wrong by picking up the Coalition policies on asylum seekers, the public will remember they mucked up but it won’t be an issue if the boats stop coming. They need to delay the Carbon Scheme for the forseeable future — they have the perfect excuse, of current world economic “uncertainty”: “We’ll take action when China, Russia and the US do”. They need to stop complaining indignantly about mining super profits: the miners pay 42% of those profits in tax already. While these are bumper years for mining, the mining industry spends much of the business cycle in the doldrums and needs these bumper years to justify the leans times and the huge amounts of capital required. If mining was more profitable than other industries over the whole cycle, it would attract a greater share of capital and shareholders.

If the rest of us want to get mining profits, we have to take risks and put the money up front — sometimes waiting years for results. Changing the rules to take profits post hoc is theft.

The most astonishing thing is that somehow 23% of Australians* still think Julia Gillard is doing a satisfactory job. What would qualify as unsatisfactory?

*Call me a cynic: 18% of the National workforce are government employees.

*UPDATE: A more useful point — One in four households are dependent on welfare.

UPDATE Cassandra Wilkinson tries to name good things Gillard has done.

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    Grumpy Old Man

    Dear Jo. Completely O/T, but julia is not the only world leader in trouble as the green pigeons fly overhead.
    http://www.thegwpf.org/uk-news/3799-advisers-letter-to-david-cameron-on-energy-and-climate-policies.html

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    Grumpy Old Man

    Just how low does an Oz party share of the popular vote has to go before that party is unable to win a seat?

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    Dear Jo,

    Looks like Barroso & Hedegaard were there trying to sell the idea that Europe has gone well with the CO2 scam.

    Please don’t forget that Europe is diving into a great recession, and that the CO2/renewable scam is one of the main drivers. That is certainly true for Portugal, which had to beg for external financial support…

    Ecotretas

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    Pete H

    Obama bails on the EPA control of emissions…..Cameron in the UK sh/tes himself as the figure for the cost of Green power hits the headlines and the most wonderful news emerging from the post is not only the proven liar Gillard about to go down the tube but that the Greens will drop from 14 to 12 (I still cannot work out why the number is not zero!).

    Anyone see a pattern emerging? The real question is how do we get our tax money back that these people have wasted and how do we explain to all those people who waiting for treatment for things like cancer, malaria etc, why the money was not directed to decent research?

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    Great news!

    Better news is ahead when NASA releases videos of changes in the Sun from its quietest period in years to the activity marking the beginning of solar cycle 24!

    http://www.irishweatheronline.com/news/space/solar/nasa-to-provide-new-observations-about-solar-flares-that-can-impact-earth/36026.html

    The videos will be the demise of the AGW scam of CO2-induced global warming, SSM fable of the Sun as a stable H-fusion reactor that causes NO climate change, and the careers of world leaders and leaders of the scientific community that used government science as a tool of propaganda since 1971:

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10640850/20110722_Climategate_Roots.pdf

    Earth’s unstable heat source, a pulsar, causes continuous climate change and continuous evolution of life on Earth [Journal of Modern Physics (2011) volume 2, 587-594] :

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10640850/JMP20112600007_31445079.pdf

    What a sad, sad day for world leaders and government scientists who worked together for decades using public funds to generate false information.

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Bye bye Julia. Please don’t slam the door on your way out.

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    chris

    Thats saying the ALP need to stop being socialist is it not? it might be the AGW scam will rid us for a time of that particular cancer as who will vote for any party that went for the scam, including the so called tory party in the UK.

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    Madjak

    The ALP and the labor union movement is an irrelevant remnant of a time when the workforce needed a voice for representation.

    Because of its increasing irrelevance, the ALP has become this weird zombie party full of latte sipping rent seeking self serving ideologists. The ALP is just an institution to provide Union bosses with the next career move.

    The reason they struggle to connect with the common man is because the alp has no commoners in its ranks anymore.

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    Madjak

    The Zombie party continues to push their zombie tax….

    If you aint with them, they’ll try and eat your brains with spin lines and propoganda.

    JooLiar will stay as chief zombie until the zombie tax is shoved down all of our throats.

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    janama

    Philip Adams tells Julia to resign:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/let-rudd-resume-rightful-role/story-e6frgd0x-1226130032312

    Your co-conspirators must admit they got it wrong. Only with Rudd as prime minister will Labor have fighting chance against Abbott.

    Resign, Julia. Resign.

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    Speedy

    I’ll bet Bob Brown won’t do a photo shoot with Julia for quids. Notice how the greens have stepped back and let labor pay for their deeply flawed policies? This time, it’s costing labor their government and their credibility – if they ever get real power, it will cost us a lot more.

    Cheers,

    Speedy

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    As we speak, Gillard is being given the option to agree to resign AFTER the next parliamentary session rises, at which time the Carbon Tax legislation will have passed, giving Gillard something to hang her PMs hat on. An achievement for posterity so to speak.

    AFTER means sometime in December when the sitting sessions for the year have ended and politics takes a back seat to the holiday period until February. This gives the new leader time to settle and formulate a strategy without being under the scrutiny of parliamentary sessions.

    At this stage, nobody knows who the new leader will be. Will it be Rudd? Smith? Crean? Combet? or Shorten? Between now and December that decision will be made.

    The biggest difficulty will be to keep these backroom deals away from the prying eyes of the media and the ensuing speculations which are just as damaging as the knifing of yet another first term PM.

    Should Gillard stick fast and not agree, she will be ousted by early October if not sooner.

    The position of Deputy PM will be a good indicator of the back room thoughts of the aparatchik. If Steven Smith is elected deputy, that means no decision has been made as to a long term leader. If however someone like Bill Shorten is elected deputy, be sure that that is for the purpose of grooming an inexperienced person such as Shorten for the long term leadership position.

    However this plays out, currently we have a dead woman walking as PM

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    Bulldust

    Now, now Jo … you know I am a government employee, and very much against Labor in its current form. In fact, the only time I voted for them was 2007, a decision I openly stated I regretted afterwards. Having said that, Rudd was mostly harmless because he didn’t push the mining tax or carbon dioxide tax through.

    The two departments I have worked for are very industry-oriented and as such have more Lib/Nat-leaning employees from my experience. My current department probably has the highest concentration of climate sceptics in whole of government.

    That is not to say that other larger departments like health and education aren’t chock full of Laborites, and I’d wager Environment probably has a more than representative share of Greens.

    [Fair point Bulldust :-) I',m just trying to find rational ways to explain 23% -JN]

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    Paul R

    I accidentally landed on sky news while surfing the channels yesterday and saw the latest addition to the conga line of carbon “communitarians”, the EU president and former leader of Portugal. Gimme a break.

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    pattoh

    What was the name of the band leader who played on the Titanic while it was listing?

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    Winston

    To quote Adam Smith at his best- “A beautiful set of numbers”!!!

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    This woeful government has to go!

    The have abraded the social fabric and it is beginning to tear beyond repair. During their tenure they have succeeded in attacking all and sundry. Our economy is going down the toilet and I blame them. Through fear of taxes and just plain government incompetence, they have created a crisis of confidence which in turn people are fearful for the future and have closed their wallets.

    Small businesses are now dropping like flies and will continue to until this government is removed. A change in leadership will not suffice.

    And they called my fellow travellers and myself, the ‘Convoy of Incontinence’? Let’s see who gets the last laugh.

    Looking forward to p*ssing on their political grave!

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    Llew Jones

    Noticed Beattie (ex Qld Premier) on TV a few moments ago extolling the courage of Gillard for introducing a carbon tax. Surely there is no need to encourage her in her obdurate stubbornness.

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    MaryFJohnston

    The Global Warming Scam and the United Nations have one thing in common.

    They are both SCAMS.

    Both suck our hard labour for their own benefit and their only purpose is to provide a funded platform from which the Global Elite can spring at our expense.

    The immense failure of the UN to provide security and basic government to common people faced with rapacious self interested Despots both civil and religiously inclined, is despicable.

    Meanwhile in Australia we are living on the last remnants of social structure and discipline that once made this country great.

    Our dual economy seems to be that the rich aspire to own liquor outlets and sell as much grog to the poor as possible while the poor aspire to the dole and to drowning their sorrows to help the rich. This dysfunctional arrangement is imploding.

    We should be reminded that the price of good government is eternal vigilance by voters.

    The old adage “there is NO FREE lunch” has a new partner which we should all remember “there is no free energy”.

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    Thumbnail

    10 failings of Progressive – Left leaning – Governments:

    1. The bigger the government, the less citizens do for one another.
    2. Welfare State is well intended, but it is a ponzi scheme
    3. Citizens of welfare states become increasingly narcissistic
    4. Liberal welfare state make people disdain work
    5. Nothing erodes character like getting something for nothing
    6. The bigger the government, the more the corruption.
    7. Welfare state corrupts the family life
    8. Welfare state inhibits the maturation of its citizens into adults
    9. Welfare States have no budget for defense and rely on America to defend them
    10. The world view of the left is not between good and evil, but between rich and poor

    Must watch: Dennis Prager http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj9qvBwOeMA

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    incoherent rambler

    grump #2

    Just how low does an Oz party share of the popular vote has to go before that party is unable to win a seat?

    Based on this years polls, it is one more bad decision and the ALP primary is around 20%.

    If the current polls reflect reality, it helps restore my faith in the Australian voter. The slide in the polls has happened with unwavering support from the MSM. At the current polling levels the MSM might turn, why pander to 20% of the market place? The ABC, will of course, stick it out to the bitter end.

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    Bulldust

    In what will be seen as another act of gross betrayal by Swannie (oh boo hoo) NSW is going to increase their coal mining royalties, chipping another few hundred million off the proposed MRRT income:

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/ofarrell-to-raise-mining-royalties-20110905-1jubr.html

    Lest we forget, the minerals belong to the Crown, and the State Governments (acting as representatives of the Crown) levy royalties on the extraction and sale of said minerals on behalf of the people of the respective states. Barring a major shift and cash grab by Canberra, the royalties will stay with the states. This is not something which has been tested in the High Court. The Constitution is remarkably silent about mineral wealth.

    It should be recognised, however, that mining royaties are considered in the GST redistribution amongst the States, and therefore royalties are indirectly redistributed away from WA to the eastern states. In this way it can be argued that VIC receives more of WA’s royalties than WA does. If you don’t see something wrong with that model, then I can’t help you.

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    Graeme

    “The ALP need to more than just replace Gillard: they must dump the deadly policies, clean up the union corruption, and worse, lose the political correctness at their core.”

    I will be surprised if they do any of these things (dump policies).

    I hope they do – but they won’t, because that can’t admit that they were wrong – so political oblivion awaits.

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    Kevin Moore

    The Labour and Green parties are pro the bankster owned U.N. heading a One World Government.

    As the borrower is servant to the lender,then -

    The way I see it the carbon tax along with Fabian Socialists Swann and Julia’s reckless spending will see Australia foreclosed on sooner rather than later.

    If the “useful idiots” think that they will be elites in the New World Order then they’re headed for a surprise.

    http://barnabyisright.com/2011/08/15/shorten-stupid-swanning-around-on-debt/

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    One day the Gillard administration, or whoever is foolhardy enough to replace her, will face an election. By that time, the Carbon tax will not only have been imposed on the Astralian people but will also have started to bite into their household budgets.

    The ALP will spend a decade or more in the wilderness and the Greens will be eviscerated. If Tony Abbot can “man up” to speak his mind about a few things and ignore the rightious indignation of the MSM, he could force an election tomorrow but he’s simply not that couragious. If he was, a few ALP politicos would cross the floor to save their political careers.

    Either way, sooner or later, the reckoning will arrive. Expect to see a lot of ALP politicians “retiring” before the election. They know the writing is on the wall.

    Pointmam

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    What is really scary in all of this is that no matter how unpopular they are ‘everywhere’, they currently have control in The House, and they have stated that at the next sitting, they plan to introduce the CO2 Tax/ETS legislation.

    On the numbers they have now, and if they can control their own members, it will ‘pass’ on those numbers. It matters not that they will be wiped out whenever the ‘next’ election will be, they will introduce the legislation.

    It will then go to The Senate, and The Greens have balance of power there, so Labor, relieved that even without control there, it will also ‘pass’ through The Senate.

    It then becomes the law of the land.

    Also, it then becomes exceedingly difficult to repeal, even if the Coalition wins that next election, and sets about repealing it, because even with Coalition control in The House, and a healthy vote to repeal it, The Senate will still see The Greens having control of the numbers there.

    So, what happens in the next Parliamentary sitting days is what is really scary, because no matter how unpopular they are, there’s every possibility it will ‘get up’.

    As unpopular as they are, they really can’t go back, and they’ll see this as the only chance they have to ‘push’ it through.

    This is a ‘Scylla and Charybdis’ moment ….. not for Labor, but for the whole Country.

    Tony.

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    PaulM

    Paul Howes on Q&A last night argued “Every day I work in manufacturing”, one of his more ludicrous utterances for the evening. Sorry paul, you don’t work in Manufacturing, you have never worked in manufacturing, you do and have always worked in the union movement. Manufacturing workers produce things, most are hard working people who take pride in what they and the employers “produce”, you produce nothing but the red tape that hamstrings productivity.

    Paul, you are the head of the AWU, and you spent an inordinate ammount of time on Q&A last night glorifying yourself and your union and denigrating Clive Palmer, can you tell us Paul how many directors of Palmers companies have embezzled funds and how much, then can you tell us exactly how much of the AWU members monies were mis-appropriated by Mr Wilson and how much has been recovered.

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    That is part of Big Brother’s bluff, Tony.

    Big Brother fears nothing, except Truth.

    Almost all scriptures teach one simple fact:
    “Truth is victorious, never untruth.”
    Mundaka Upanishad 3.1.6; Qur’an 17.85
    Numerous Bible verses, etc.

    Staying spiritually strong is probably our best defense against Big Brother.

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    PaulM

    It should be recognised, however, that mining royaties are considered in the GST redistribution amongst the States, and therefore royalties are indirectly redistributed away from WA to the eastern states. In this way it can be argued that VIC receives more of WA’s royalties than WA does. If you don’t see something wrong with that model, then I can’t help you.

    Forget Vic as a reference to GST redistribution, they at least have a resource sector that reduces, if only slightly, the burden on other states. If you want an example of a state that is a burden on the resource states you need look no further than Tasmania.

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    Yes PaulM, over governed, over funded and over represented!

    Still reckon we should sell the place to the Chinese to pay off debt…lol!

    Tony, a week is a long time in politics and there is still hope. The definitive point will be the caucus meeting next week. If no action on Gillard and deferring the non-mandated tax, then Labor as a viable party to form government in the future will cease to exist.

    I’m not giving up hope until the strength in my typing middle finger is no more.

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    PaulM

    Lest we forget, the minerals belong to the Crown, and the State Governments (acting as representatives of the Crown) levy royalties on the extraction and sale of said minerals on behalf of the people of the respective states.

    And that is the problem isn’t it. There will be a high court challenge from the mining industry if thlegislation passes the Parliament, not only on the constitutional issue but also in the discriminatory manner in which the tax is applied to certain parts of one indudtry sector alone.

    And whilst there is solid arguments that the MRRT is a better method of returning revenues to the government on the basis of it being a more efficient taxation method, all ignore the facts that the Henry Review proposed this form of tax as a

    replacement

    for state based royalties. What Rudd & Gillard have introduced is in addition to state based royalties with no mechanism permissable to prevent states from raising the royalties they charge.

    A consultative governemnt would have negotiated with the states to surrender that constitutional right and actualy replaced state based royalties with the MRRT, but as the ALP’s consultative style of hectoring, exclusion of dissenting voices from the process, threats and intimidation doesn’t seem to work in the modern era all we get is a tax that is an additional burden that increases the international percetion of sovreign risk for investment whilst also increasing the overall tax burden on the high speed part of the economy to slow it down.

    If you have two different vehicles in your racing team and one is performing better than the other but still managing to remain on par with the competition, you can’t slow down the fast one and expect to do anything other than have both vehicles at the back of the field risking being lapped by those not carrying the same extra weight or engine governing.

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    debbie

    24% to 12%???
    That’s actually a bit disappointing.
    I would prefer Labor to keep some credibility (however badly damaged it is at the moment) and the Greens lose all of theirs.
    Re Tassie figures:
    It seems to me that poor Tassie gets picked on more than any other group.
    Have you noticed that Tassie are simply not allowed to develop a ‘sustainable’ natural resource business? Doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s water (hydro power), timber, gas, mining or whatever.
    The definition of ‘sustainable’ in Tassie seems to mean they’re not allowed to do anything at all.
    Their unemployment figures are extremely disproportionate.
    Seems as if ‘eco tourism’ is not taking up the slack :)

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    PaulM

    It seems to me that poor Tassie gets picked on more than any other group.
    Have you noticed that Tassie are simply not allowed to develop a ‘sustainable’ natural resource business? Doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s water (hydro power), timber, gas, mining or whatever.

    True, but you need to look at why this has happened. Simple reason, they keep electing watermelons and greens to represent them. As such, nobody should feel any sympathy for the people of Tasmania, in fact most should be pissed off that they live in states that bear the burden of subsidising the political ideology of Tasmanians, if the people of Tasmania had to bear the full weight of the consequences of the people they elect to represent them, how long do you think it would be before they stopped electing them?

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    Madjak

    If this carbon tax does get through, I think the names of each individual who votes for it should be put up on as many public billboards, blogs, newspapers etc as possible.

    The electorate must me made clearly aware of which of their elected representatives sold them down the river.

    They have no mandate -not even from people who believe in global warming.

    Here is the ALP plan as I see it:
    They are subsidising this to the hilt to get it through so they can say what was the big fuss about six months time. Then when the new govt comes in they will have to cutback the subsidies because of labors excesses. As people feel the bite, they will blame the government for it.

    Tony Abbott. These bills must not get through. It is a whole new form of taxation which will be open to corruption. You must also be clear about opposing any form of carbon tax or ETS.

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    DavidH

    If the Carbon (dioxide) Tax is the toxic waste that’s polluting Labor, then I don’t see how it could suit them to let the legislation pass and *then* knife Gillard. How is that going to earn the appreciation of a disgruntled electorate? While my own preference is for a new election, the other things that I don’t like (e.g. NBN and the cocked-up immigration policies) are at least things they did go to the polls with. Just Axe the Tax and I’ll be satisfied … for now. If the Greens want to precipitate an election because the CO2 tax is off the table, then bring it on!

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    PaulM

    Also, it then becomes exceedingly difficult to repeal, even if the Coalition wins that next election, and sets about repealing it, because even with Coalition control in The House, and a healthy vote to repeal it, The Senate will still see The Greens having control of the numbers there.

    Yes and no, repealing legislation is always problematic, but I wonder if the reaining ALP members in The Senate would actualy vote down the bill after the bloodbath of an election. Secondly, the difficulty of repealing the legislation is much easier if it is done before it becomes an ETS and before tradeable entities are issued.

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    debbie

    Paul @ 33,
    Can’t argue with that…they do keep electing watermelons.
    Still….some support for the good guys in Tassie who are desperately trying to change that situation would probably be a good idea?
    I’m stunned how quickly the Feds wade in anytime someone in Tassie DARES to put up a good ‘sustainable’ business model. They get shouted down quickly and completely.
    BTW, I’m not from Tassie… have only visted once… it’s just an observation.

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    Bulldust

    PaulM:

    And therein lies a major problem… the States surrendered their right to income taxation during WWII and never got it back. If they surrender royalties as well you might as well pack up the State Governments and surrender all rights to the Feds. I shudder to think how WA would fare under a centralised Government like that… we would get royally shafted.

    My feeling is that State royalties shall only continue to exist until such time the Commonwealth Government deems a uniform system (of some sort) for all the States. Constitutionally I would think they could do this, pursuant to Section 90:

    90. On the imposition of uniform duties of customs the power of the Parliament to impose duties of customs and of excise, and to grant bounties on the production or export of goods, shall become exclusive.

    On the imposition of uniform duties of customs all laws of the several States imposing duties of customs or of excise, or offering bounties on the production or export of goods, shall cease to have effect, but any grant of or agreement for any such bounty lawfully made by or under the authority of the Government of any State shall be taken to be good if made before the thirtieth day of June, One thousand eight hundred and ninety eight, and not otherwise.

    “Excise” on the “production” of goods are the key words IMO. I am not versed in law, let alone constitutional law, but that section would appear to be quite clear. Most royalties levied by states are of the ad valorem variety (a percentage of the revenue raised upon sale of the goods), which is identical in nature to an “excise.”

    In my interpretation what Henry proposed is within the rights of the Commonwealth Government. I would love to know if anyone has more insight on this issue.

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    debbie

    Spotted this comment here:

    http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2011/09/the-bush-is-bleeding

    I recently took the time to read and study the 349 pages of the so called carbon tax legislation. It is called an “An Act For the Promotion of Clean Energy, and For Other Purposes.” I can assure those that have not read it, that this act has a lot more to do with “other purposes” than it does with clean energy. This bill essentially puts all decision making power over what gets produced in Australia, who produces it, and how much they will get paid for it, into the hands of a small group of bureaucrats and investment bankers. This horrific mistake is despite all evidence of human history that centralized control over economies is a very bad idea. This act changes the basic structure of our economic system, and this is a democracy. The people deserve a fair vote on this issue, and were denied one at the last election. Therefore, we need an election now.

    That just about sums it up!

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    Madjak

    Yep, the carbon tax and ets can only be described as being the implementation of a command economy.

    It seems that after a few generations succeeding to put this concept under, it is making a comeback through a combination of naievity and opportunism.

    Apologies to others who have allready seen this, but I do reccommend it
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_DaMKUP3Og

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    connolly

    Here in Wollongong we have just had a poll for local government. The ALP was annahilated. They recieved about 20% of the primary vote. The Greens are holding steady at 10%. Our esteemed PM (showing respect) just visited our region where the steel industry is being closed in stages and promised a risible $30 million dollars in re-training assistance for one of the most skilled and soon to be unemployed workforces in the country. And a “carbon” tax to finish domestic steelmaking off. And not a “green”job in sight. There is a scramble for the fly in/fly out positions in the coal industry in Queensland. Its only a matter of time befor our next vote and people are waiting. Patiently. The carbon dioxide tax is politically dead in what used to be the Labor heartland.

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    Chistery

    Cassandra Wilkinson lists one of Julia Gillard’s achievements as not bowing “to pressure to abolish [John Howard's] Northern Territory intervention”.

    If she didn’t bow to pressure to abolish other Howard policies, she may not be quite in the pickle she finds herself.

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    incoherent rambler

    Reversing the interpretation of the newspoll.

    50% will not vote for the LNP
    73% will not vote for the ALP

    a Half is good primary vote.
    a Quarter is the vote of a minor party.

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    Speedy

    If Gillard were to be ousted, she has one last card up her sleeve to play; she could resign from parliament and force a by-election.

    This would make life “interesting” for her successor, and probably ensure their reign is short.

    And that is why I don’t think the party will knife her, much as as she deserves it.

    Cheers,

    Speedy

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    Crakar24

    Straight to the “leave a reply” pane on this one

    *Call me a cynic: 18% of the National workforce are government employees.

    As possibly the only representative of government employees here i would like to state for the record that i am not one of the 23% and of all the people i work with i do not know of anyone who would make such claims. Dont forget it was labor who said “we need 20 billion to spend on new defence toys”………”but where do we find 20 billion?”……..”I know we will take it from defence”, a brilliant display of fiscal mismanagement if i must say so myself. It was one of those work smarter not harder moments, you know the type.

    I would like to offer an alternative theory for Gullards obviously inflated figures…………..boat people……………yes you may laugh but think about it. There are so many boat people in this country today due to Dullards policies that they could quite conceivably be the 23% and ask yourself this question, who gains most by Dillard staying in power…………..you see i make perfect sense dont i.

    Cheers

    Crakar24

    [Yes, Naturally there are lots of fair thinking hard working public servants. I should also find out how many people are dependent on government welfare handouts. --JN]

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    ian

    Gillard wont be axed. Labor are dead with or without her at the helm. Whoever takes over is taking the poison challice.

    She will remain, try to claw back some support over the next 2 years (which is a long time!) and see what happens.

    We will see the next leader after the next election and there may not be many to choose from.

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    rjm385

    O/T slightly..Here is another gem form the warmists leftoids…

    http://climaterealityproject.org/

    Check it out! We should get a campaign happening against this mindless drivel before it brain washes any more minds.

    Say YES to an election now !!!

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    Truthseeker

    Looking at the article in the Australian regarding the good things that Julia Gillard has done, I noticed the following at the bottom regarding the author …

    “Cassandra Wilkinson was an adviser to former NSW premier Kristina Keneally”

    Obviously someone who has excellent political judgement … not!

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    Whoops!!!!

    I’ll bet Julia won’t be too happy to see this.

    I’ve seen this variously at numerous U.S. blog sites and in forwarded emails from friends in the U.S. over the last few years, and attributed to John Howard, Kevin Rudd, and now Julia Gillard. It was originally dated around 2005.

    Australian Prime Minister does it again!!

    I’m willing to bet that she is none too pleased about this.

    Here is the Snopes article on it with the attribution details at the bottom of the text.

    Get Out of Australia

    Tony.

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    I wish Australians well in replacing incompetent leaders.

    Almost every nation today is plagued by leaders who decide among themselves what is best for the future, with little or no regard for constitutional limits on their powers or wishes of the people who elect them.

    As noted above, world leaders and government scientists apparently worked together for four decades to generate false models of the Sun (SSM) and Earth’s climate (AGW) for this purpose.

    The SSM model of the Sun and the AGW model of Earth’s climate are two peas in the same pod of government propaganda.

    As a research scientists, I deeply regret that I couldn’t decipher this puzzling set of observations earlier.

    For that I am truly sorry. Your Professor Ian Plimer figured it out first.

    With deep regrets,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for NASA

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    Brett_McS

    We hope this poll also indicates the receding credibility of the Screeming Greenies and that people will gravitate to genuine groups such as the Australian Environment Foundation.

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    Tristan

    Just how low does an Oz party share of the popular vote has to go before that party is unable to win a seat?

    Greens won a seat with 11.76%

    Greens will drop from 14 to 12 (I still cannot work out why the number is not zero!)

    Because people have opinions different to yours.

    The ALP need to more than just replace Gillard:

    The public doesn’t care for political assassination of the PM. See last election results for details.

    they must dump the deadly policies

    Starting with offshore processing.

    clean up the union corruption

    Agreed.

    and worse [do you mean 'furthermore'], lose the political correctness at their core.

    Political Correctness isn’t inherently good or bad.

    Language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, certain other religions, beliefs or ideologies, disability, and age-related contexts

    There are many degrees between ‘State of the white christian heterosexual male elite’ and ‘Nanny state’. Neither of the extremes seems ideal.

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    pat

    i’m still voting informally because there is no indication that the Coalition would abandon “carbon (dioxide)trading”, which is the END GAME. the carbon tax is merely an inducement to get the public onside by way of (insufficient)compensation, while a “carbon (dioxide) bubble” goes boom and bust!

    5 Sept: ABC The World Today: Europeans urge action on carbon scheme
    ELEANOR HALL: The EU climate commissioner is in Australia today, meeting the Climate Change Minister Greg Combet and Opposition MPs to discuss the carbon tax and she is urging Australia to press ahead with its carbon pricing scheme despite the turbulent domestic debate…
    CONNIE HEDEGAARD: One of the challenges in the beginning was not to give too many of the allowances to companies for free for instance. The whole purpose was this kind of systems which sound very technical but the purpose is to make it very expensive to be energy inefficient and to make it cheap if you are energy efficient…
    SARAH CLARKE: Critics of the scheme have suggested that Australia shouldn’t be taking the lead on this, that we will become a world leader on this in a time of global uncertainty financially, where do you see, where does Europe see Australia? Are we at the back of the pack, the middle of the pack? Have a lot of countries moved ahead of us?
    CONNIE HEDEGAARD: Well, I would only say that I don’t think that you should fear to be the lonely front runner because there at least you would also meet Europe. I think that if everybody is just sitting idle to wait for everybody else to do something, that is not the way the world can move forward.
    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3309891.htm

    5 Sept: Guardian: Will Nichols: Europe and Australia enter talks to link carbon trading schemes
    EU chief Jose Manuel Barroso praises Julia Gillard’s plans to have cap-and-trade scheme in place by 2015
    Barroso explained that discussions will now be launched to share knowledge on effective carbon market design and implementation, and work out the necessary mechanisms for the two schemes to interoperate.
    However, Matthew Gray, an analyst at IDEAcarbon, warned that tying the two schemes together could prove difficult as monetary exchange rates prevent credits in different schemes from being truly interchangeable and offer traders arbitrage opportunities…
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/sep/05/europe-australia-carbon-trading

    6 Sept: SMH: Ben Cubby: Push to tie Gillard’s carbon plan to European trading scheme
    Ms Hedegaard met the Climate Change Minister, Greg Combet, and the opposition climate action spokesman, Greg Hunt…
    She did not rule out one day applying punitive tariffs to countries that failed to regulate greenhouse gases but said she hoped a binding global agreement to cut emissions would be in place before that happened.
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/push-to-tie-gillards-carbon-plan-to-european-trading-scheme-20110905-1jubu.html

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    Ross

    Pat @ 54. Are the EU guys hoping that linking EU scheme with Australia , they will manage to rescue the EU from the mess it is in or do they want to export their problems ??

    OT. The Poms have discovered a new Hockey Stick> mMaybe Gillard should get these guys to massage the poll results for her !!!
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/09/05/cet-vs-meto-a-problem-with-temperature/#more-46674

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    Tristan: Political Correctness isn’t inherently good or bad.

    Nope. It’s bad. If something is correct, it’s correct. If it’s politically correct, it isn’t the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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    bunny

    Pat @ 54

    I’m astonished that you are prepared to throw away your vote based on a belief that Abbott will introduce an ETS if he’s elected. He has clearly stated that he will repeal the carbon tax legislation, and I can’t find any evidence to suggest that he intends to impose any form of ETS or CPRS on Australia. If he wins the next election then goes back on his word, he will look much worse than Julia Gillard and will attract the anger and derision of both sides of politics.
    Where have you read/heard that the Coalition will bring in an ETS? Before you waste your vote, I think you need to get all the facts, and if you have some information on a Coalition ETS, then I would be very keen to see it.

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    Crakar24

    Just how low does an Oz party share of the popular vote has to go before that party is unable to win a seat?
    Greens won a seat with 11.76%

    Greens won the seat with liberal preferences this will never happen again i am sure, if an election was held tomorrow Labor would win one seat in QLD. Primary vote does not get you seats it is the preferences that gets you over the line.

    Greens will drop from 14 to 12 (I still cannot work out why the number is not zero!)
    Because people have opinions different to yours.

    Yes they may be differences of opinions but one must ask who are they listening to to form these opinions.

    The ALP need to more than just replace Gillard:
    The public doesn’t care for political assassination of the PM. See last election results for details.

    The government have until May to implement Wilkies poker machine legislation or he will pull the pin on this government and we will be in election mode by June, the government do not have a hope in hell of implementing his legislation because all the big RSl clubs in NSW/QLD will vote sitting labor MP’s out of office. NSW and QLD labor MP’s will not stand by and let Gillard destroy them politically just so she can keep here finger nail grip on power alive, self preservation wil kick in.

    they must dump the deadly policies
    Starting with offshore processing.

    I see a need to drop the carbon tax, mining tax, IR laws, stupid green schemes that amount to nothing, build dams for water security and possibly hydro electricty and the list goes but one policy should stand and that is off shore processing. Why should we allow someone to enter Australian territorial waters illegally throw away all identification and once spotted blow holes in the hull so the ship sinks forcing us to “rescue” them?

    clean up the union corruption
    Agreed.

    The corruption of labor unions is endemic, you clean up the unions you need to be prepared to clean up the labor party.

    and worse [do you mean 'furthermore'], lose the political correctness at their core.
    Political Correctness isn’t inherently good or bad.

    Political correctness is like your pedantic attempts to feel superior by pointing out grammatical errors in ones post, it serves no useful purpose but acts like a hand brake on society.

    We live in a nanny state which is of course the politically correct way of saying dictatorship, i come from south australia and the premier of that state is Mike Rann, it is generaly accepted that the correct name for this state is Rannistan.

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    Bernd Felsche

    Political Correctness (PC) is a handy replacement for politeness for those too busy to think.

    With PC, one no longer has to consider individuals or the group with which one is associating, nor to respect them for what they do. You are told what is appropriate behaviour under PC. No thinking involved.

    Of course, PC is a convenient crutch for those who have no reasonable argument against something being said. Somebody, somewhere, so-time might be offended and that is enough reason to censor/censure. The logical inconsistency never bothers those using PC for support; when they offend those who are demonised/ostracised/vilified for voicing reasonable argument. (vis Spencer, etc.). PC cannot be applied to PC without destroying PC in the process. In other words: PC is not PC.

    Remember that the objective of the Stasi in the former East Germany was to quash dissent before potential dissenters would openly dissent. The thought-crime.

    Polite society doesn’t need PC.

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    Popeye

    Debbie @ 40

    This is the problem – it ALWAYS has been about Socialism and it has always been my fear that this would be brought about by stealth and if what you state is correct (and I have no reason to doubt it) it will happen as early as next week.

    What has happened to our wonderful democracy – WE DIDN’T VOTE FOR THIS?

    Is this the precursor to the total control of our lives?

    They think they can get away with it because a lot of Aussies are so blase about all things political – sadly!!

    What I say is bring it on and welcome to “The Revolution”

    Cheers,

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    Bruce of Newcastle

    In Canada in the 1993 election the Progressive Conservatives had 151 seats in the parliament. One month before the election their polled primary vote was 35%. By election day this was down to 16%. They won 2 only seats.

    There were some differences, I think Canada runs a first past the post system, and there was a new party on the block – the NDP. But the Progressive Conservatives never recovered and were gone completely in a couple elections, merged into the CPC.

    So, if the ALP ended up with two seats, who would win the opposition leader’s job, Kevin or Julia? Now that would be a screaming match!

    Seriously there have been ructions in the left about new parties. The DLP actually won a seat in the Vic senate. If one were to be formed it might just white-ant the ALP in a similar timeframe.

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    Chris in Hervey Bay

    Surely, if the CO2 tax becomes impossible to repeal, could not the government, with an executive order, reduce the tax rate back to something like $0.01 per 100 tonnes of co2.

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    Damian Allen

    Political Correctness Watch

    http://pcwatch.blogspot.com/

    Political Correctness: The Scourge of Our Times

    http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/4/4/121115.shtml

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    Tom

    The entire zombie left of Australia – GetUp, the Greens, the Fairfax press, the ABC, some of the unions and the old fruitloop watermelons of the far left, who have attached themselves to the Greens trojan horse – are not going to allow the defeat of their government without a very destructive fight. There’ll be NO election until it is constitutionally required in November 2013 and, as their epitaph, they are going to bequeath to the Australian people, the ultimate, punitive, boobytrapped zombie tax on the Australian economy, which will cost the incoming conservative government billions to unravel. Gillard, Swan, Windsor, Oakshott and Brown have decided the country is going down with them. Abbott will be left with no alternative but a second double dissolution election after the first election to get rid of Labour and the Greens. Ordinary people may well be forced onto the streets to support a return to democracy, which will be shouted down and violently opposed by the zombie left in a campaign of mass disruption, violence and public destruction. I’m not looking forward to it, but I believe that is what we face.

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    Dave

    Chris in Hervey Bay:

    Surely, if the CO2 tax becomes impossible to repeal, could not the government, with an executive order, reduce the tax rate back to something like $0.01 per 100 tonnes of co2.

    Agreed – but a little too expensive – I was thinking of $1.00 per 100ppm increase in the atmosphere paid to the countries of origin by the IPCC?

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    memoryvault

    Chris in Hervey Bay @ 62

    You are right – there is no need for a government to “repeal” legislation; they can simply choose to ignore it.

    In late 1972 upon being elected, Whitlam brought the Nashos home from Vietnam, cancelled conscription for those doing their time here in OZ, released all those jailed for failing to register and quashed their convictions, and cancelled charges against those awaiting court appearances, all without any legislation.

    Actual legislation to cover all these changes was not passed until April 1973, and the National Service Act itself was not amended until 1992 (twenty years later) under Keating. It STILL exists in amended form to this day, but nobody has been conscripted for nearly forty years.

    Although the carbon tax legislation itself will probably be passed by the end of this year, it is not due for implementation until July 2012. If there was a change of government in the meantime the incoming administration could simply choose not to implement the new laws, and leave everything the way it is.

    Ditto plus for the much more damaging ETS which doesn’t come into effect until 2015, before which time GIllard HAS to go to the polls come what may.

    The REAL danger is not how a future Abbott government would get around the legislation, but whether they actually WOULD. Regardless of what is being said or hinted at, for as long as the Liberals have “their” version of a “climate change” policy nothing is guaranteed.

    For as long as the Liberals have the toxic but potent combination of a climate change policy (in any form), and Malcolm Turnbull, who enjoys better public ratings than Gillard or Abbott, and who fully supports an ETS, then about the only thing “guaranteed” is that the voters will get screwed whatever they do.

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    gnome

    If the next government has a problem repealing the tax it can simply starve the implementers of the tax of funds to administer it. The tax can stay on the books as a dead letter until the repeal process is completed. Labor wouldn’t vote against the repeal anyway because they will be feeling bloody-minded towards the Greens for destroying their govenment.

    Of immediate concern now, is that Gillard will be entitled to a chauffered car and fully serviced office for life if she hangs on as PM for 2 years (ie until 25/6/12). Look forward to some desperate moves if they try to replace her!

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    KeithH

    Has anyone else thought about the possible huge conflict of interest in having Greg Combet as Minister for Climate Change together with other ex-Union reps in a Government set on introducing a carbon dioxide tax and initiating schemes which are already heavily subsidising horrendously expensive uneconomic renewable energy industries?

    Combet is certainly a former director of Members Equity Bank and the $30 billion superannuation fund, Australian Super. IMO there should be a full disclosure of the involvement of all current Labor MP’s in Superannuation or Investment Funds together with full disclosure of where and in what those Funds are currently invested.

    I know Union Funds have been invested in the troubled Victorian desalination plant and that the Funds stand to reap a substantial continuing benefit from that investment irrespective or not whether it ever delivers any water!

    It was bad enough to have Professor Tim Flannery heavily influence Kevin Rudd’s Government to give grants to a Geothermal Company in which he held shares, and may still do so. Flannery is still bleeding taxpayers in his laughable “independent” role educating(?) us on CAGW.

    Surely there must be some legal challenge available to Australian taxpayers to ascertain whether such involvments are lawful or not.

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    Anyone know any good popcorn recipes? Oh dear, I fear a long drawn out process to restore some semblance of direction.

    I’d say the Monday caucus meeting will be the last opportunity to end this from within. Surely, sanity will prevail?

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    Mark

    How about a 95% turnover tax on carbon credits? That should dampen the merchant banker’s ardour a tad.
    Oh, and a 95% tax on any profit remaining after the turnover tax. Gotta leave ‘em something I suppose. Then again, maybe not.

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    John Brookes

    . Nothing erodes character like getting something for nothing

    Thats why the children of the rich are such a dud lot!

    As for political correctness Jo, it cuts both ways. Here, I can be politically incorrect without problems. But I tried writing a letter to the editor of The Australian, saying that illegal drugs like marijuana, ecstasy etc were fun and the dangers were overhyped – and it didn’t get published. You see, to the Oz, that particular point of view is politically incorrect, even though its true.

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    memoryvault

    scaper @ 70

    I’d say the Monday caucus meeting will be the last opportunity to end this from within. Surely, sanity will prevail?

    Don’t count on it.

    In 1986 in the caucus meeting prior to the vote on the ID Card, 66 of the 86 Labor MPs spoke out against the legislation, how unpopular it was in their electorates, and how it could possibly cost them their seats.

    Then they all filed into the chamber and voted in favour of it.

    We are discussing party politics here – sanity doesn’t come into it.

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    Bruce of Newcastle

    KeithH

    The ultimate challenge is electoral. Mr Combet, who is my federal MP, has his electoral office in Charlestown. In March the state seat swung to the Libs by 28%. Mr Combet is sitting on 15.3% as I recall.

    Given the demise of Bluescope in Pt Kembla and the carbon tax threat on our coal industry jobs, which he has scarcely been supporting, I think I just might have a new federal MP when the next election is over.

    The latest news is that Mr Albanese is going to hammer the carbon tax legislation through next week, going so far as to force MP’s to come in 2 hrs early to get all the bills through. No committees, inquiries, no week to read the legislation, nothing.

    What that says to me is that the 747 is screaming towards the ground all 4 engines on fire and and the pilot Ms Gillard is playing ‘Fate of the World’ on a laptop in the cockpit. The ALP Government themselves appear to be afraid they won’t be around long than 2 weeks. Well, serves them right.

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    Mark

    Ah! So it is sour grapes with JB.

    Along with delusions of grandeur, of course. That’s a common result of substance abuse.

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    Bloke down the pub

    For those Gillard supporters who think she is being principalled and brave, I am reminded of Sir Humphrey in Yes Prime Minister, who would use the term ‘very brave of you Prime Minister’ as code for I wouldn’t touch it with a barge-pole.

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    KeithH

    Bruce @ 74

    Unfortunately that may be too late. I’m looking for some way to stop them before irreparable damage is done. I’ve just found a link amongst my archives which gives some idea of why the Unions are so keen on the destructive (for the rest of us) measures proposed.

    Grren Mafia Hoovers Your Wallet

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_green_mafia_hoovers-your_wallet/

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    KeithH

    Sorry. I messed the link up. Just google the article name and you’ll get it

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    Joe Lalonde

    Jo,

    The S.S.Australia looks to be hitting that iceberg in front with no concern of casualties.
    Even suggesting to tariff any company or goods not abiding the carbon tax will only hurt the citizens in the pocket book as it is another tax.
    Almost ALL electronics are imported and from where?
    Will Australia’s policies effect other countries?

    Sorry, but it all looks very ugly for the people of Australia no matter what scenario put forth.

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    Madjak

    So if this legislation for the tax on carbon based life forms, and the next government sinks it, will the companies and rent seekers who make financial plans on the basis of the passed legislation being enacted have grounds to sue the government for compensation?

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    catamon

    “If it’s politically correct, it isn’t the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”

    That’s a generalization so broad as to be meaningless. Some forms of “political correctness” can obscure meaning, but sometimes its just a matter of people expressing the same thing in a way that doesn’t cause offence, or using language that has less in the way of negative connotation in the particular context.

    “There’ll be NO election until it is constitutionally required in November 2013 and, as their epitaph, they are going to bequeath to the Australian people, the ultimate, punitive, boobytrapped zombie tax on the Australian economy, which will cost the incoming conservative government billions to unravel. ”

    Alternatively it could be expressed that this government is going to run its course and keep delivering on the platform for which it was elected and that the majority of parliament has decided to back. NBN, Carbon Price, and MRRT.

    Its interesting watching the behavior around the blogoshpere, and the media as the hysteria and silliness really ramps up heading into this session of parliament. Its something that has been expected and commentated on in several forums since early in the year, but its weird watching it actually happen. The really interesting thing is how much of an issue these 3 issues will actually be come 2013??

    NBN will be 13-16% rolled out.

    Carbon Price will have been in place 12 months and if the sky is still overhead there is likely to be the same enthusiasm for repealing it as there was for the GST.

    MRRT will be in place and generating revenue.

    Its likely to be all about interest rates and unemployment again i think. Oh and with the Coalition throwing in Workchoices like the whole dog, regurgitation thing I suppose.

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    Tristan

    Joanne

    I don’t really see a connection between ‘correct’ and ‘politically correct’. Political correctness is a shift in terminology/nomenclature in response to a changing cultural climate. It can be taken too far, or not far enough.

    Which of these political corrections do you have issue with:

    Buggery -> Anal Intercourse
    Negro/negress -> African/Black American
    Quadroon -> Person of mixed-race with a quarter Aboriginal and three-quarters Caucasian ancestry.
    Idiot/Imbecile/Moron -> mental age approximation for disabled adults
    Australia’s son let us rejoice -> Australians all let us rejoice

    How about Paki, spastic, queer, cripple…

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    Madjak

    Hey look, I’ve just spotted an endangered species -someone who supports gillard and who actually believes the ALP will win the next election:

    Catamon!

    Quick, take screenshots as this species is under threat of extinction due to the climate change legislation.

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    catamon

    Bruce of Newcastle:

    Thanks for that link to the sky-news article!

    Mazing what having the numbers and actually doing real negotiations can do.

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    Tristan

    Yes they may be differences of opinions but one must ask who are they listening to to form these opinions.

    Henry David Thoreau -> Rachel Carson -> Bob Brown/Sarah HS?

    The government have until May to implement Wilkies poker machine legislation or he will pull the pin on this government and we will be in election mode by June

    Listening to Wilkie talk it doesn’t sound like he’s interested in triggering an election.

    one policy should stand and that is off shore processing. Why should we allow someone to enter Australian territorial waters illegally throw away all identification and once spotted blow holes in the hull so the ship sinks forcing us to “rescue” them?

    Well I’d characterise the situation somewhat differently =P

    The corruption of labor unions is endemic, you clean up the unions you need to be prepared to clean up the labor party.

    I’m all for gov’t transparency!

    Political correctness is like your pedantic attempts to feel superior by pointing out grammatical errors in ones post, it serves no useful purpose but acts like a hand brake on society.

    I’m not out to feel superior. I spent a very pleasurable evening (no not that sort of evening) with Jo a long time ago and was left duly impressed. I doubt she remembers me :)
    I’m the sort of blogger who likes people commenting on both the structure and the content of his posts. My apologies to Jo if she feels differently.

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    Louis Hissink

    Folks,

    Study http://www.keynesatharvard.org – it explains, in lay terms, the history of the dire situation we are in. It might be conspiratorial to invoked the Fabians, but look at the Fabian web site, study their news letters, see who their speakers are, and the topics.

    Gillard’s agenda is the culmination of over 100 years of plainly spoken and written implementation of a particular policy.

    Those who want some sort of welfare state in order to look after the poor and those who can’t help themselves, then realise that this policy always ends up as the current one over time.

    Debbie picked up on a Quadrant comment – the one about the detail of the proposed carbon tax – Google technocracy, do your homework on that philosophy, and realise that while it was squashed during the 1930′s, it has re-emerged this time under the carbon tax mechanism. I listened to Andrew Bolt’s show this morning and one listener mentioned that his solar system inverter was controlled by the utility supplying the power – and he had no control over it. If you think you are producing energy to feed back into the grid, in order to reduce your costs, think again.

    Technocracy folks is the name of the game – and for it to work you need a highly regulated, totalitarian state. As none of us will vote for such a system, it has to be imposed on us y deceit, and Gillard is right on the mark with her policies and decisions.

    The fact that refugees and etc cannot be processed offshore, suggests that others from elsewhere will be allowed to come here and live off our efforts, efforts that will slow decrease as the taxes mount.

    I have to agree with Tony, we are in for some new political shocks that many of us are simply unaware of.

    It’s a brave new world folks, and it’s a victory for the Fabians.

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    Damian Allen

    If this is old news, why have two journalists been silenced?

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/if_this_is_old_news_why_have_two_journalists_been_silenced/

    MORE CENSORSHIP OF THE MEDIA BY GILLARD !!

    [snip. The next time you do this, your entire comment will be canned. It's faster] YODA

    ELECTION NOW !!!

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    Damian Allen

    JULIA GILLARD, THE LABOR PARTY AND THE FABIAN SOCIETY

    Most significant is gillard’s present membership in the Australian Fabian Society, which she claimed absorbed the Socialist Forum! You’ll note in that link, in the interview she gave to ABC’s Tony Jones, she describes the Socialist Forum as “a sort of debating society”! Yeah, and Karl Marx was a free market conservative!!!
    And who are the Fabian Society?

    This is very informative and interesting on these SUBVERSIVE FABIANS:-

    http://www.australiamatters.com/fabian.html

    This is a picture of their famous stained glass window:-

    http://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/fabians/images/FabianWindow_Large.jpg

    Look closely and you will see:-
    1 The wolf in sheep’s clothing
    2 The hammer being used to remodel the world to their will
    3 The book with the title “New World Order”
    There are probably other hidden things in there also, these are just the obvious ones!

    Check out their definition:-
    “Though we call ourselves a think tank, the Australian Fabians are more than this. We are based on a social and intellectual movement: the UK Fabian Society has been a central part of democratic socialist, social-democratic and Labor tradition thoughout the 20th century in Britain, and the Australian Fabians in Australia since 1947. Our output is thoroughly contemporary and relevant: by dint simply of who we are, it is organically connected to the history of the left.
    Our goal is not merely (as by and large it is for other think tanks) to produce interesting ideas for the elite policy community. It is the promotion of socialist and progressive thought throughout society. We aim to change the intellectual climate of the Australia (and indeed of the wider world). We want to make broadly left of centre ways of thinking commonplace.”

    Some of it’s members are (from Wikipedia, yeah, I know!):
    Gough Whitlam (ALP Prime Minister 1972–75)
    Bob Hawke (ALP Prime Minister 1983–1991)
    Paul Keating (ALP Prime Minister 1991–1996)
    John Cain (ALP Premier of Victoria)
    Jim Cairns (ALP Deputy Prime Minister)
    Don Dunstan (ALP Premier of South Australia)
    Geoff Gallop (ALP Premier of Western Australia)
    Neville Wran (ALP Premier of NSW 1976–86)
    Frank Crean (ALP Deputy Prime Minister)
    Arthur Calwell (ALP Former Leader)
    Race Mathews (ALP MHR and Victorian MLA)
    John Faulkner (ALP Senator and National President)
    Julia Gillard (ALP Australia’s first female Prime Minister)
    John Lenders (ALP Treasurer of Victoria)
    Phillip Adams (Broadcaster)
    Among others!
    Please Jooooowya, answer that, please!!

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    John Brookes

    Keating, Hawke, Gough, Adams! That Fabian society must be pretty good to attract members of that calibre.

    Is it the left wing equivalent of the Melbourne Club?

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    Madjak

    John Brookes@90
    “left wing equivalent of the melbourne cup”

    only with asses running there john

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    PaulM

    Bulldust @ 38

    On the income tax issue, you are correct, and that would be a considerable risk if they were to surrender their rights to levy royalties on resource exploitation. But I think that a well thought our and negotiated position has the potential to be a more even boon that the royalties reigeme, especially if they secured partial rebates for development applications and the exploration that yields no result or an uneconomical find. In the same way it was done with the GST, the state governments in conjunctiond with the resource companies should be able to come up with a deal that doesn’t disadvantage the states and has limitiations that all resource states must agree to changes to the legislation.

    Resource taxation is indeed a complex area of law, well above my head but the major problem I see with the current system is the use of royalties by state governments to fill budget holes rather than putting it back into providing improvements in infrastructure and productivity for the sector that would have beneficial long term flow on effects for the whole economy. I would much prefer that royalties and excise not be allowed to be taken into consolidated revenue or a significant percentage should be quaranteened for use to improve the outcomes for the particular sector. In this way the economic benefits from the sector will increase as productivity and efficiency gains are achieved.

    In addition I think they should change the FBT so as to allow reigonal development in the sector so that mining towns would be more secure and prosperous, be able to support a population expanded by the mine workers and possibly help reduce the skils drain over time as communities based around the resource areas grow to provide a local workforce.

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    TrueNews

    John Brookes: @72
    “Nothing erodes character like getting something for nothing

    Thats why the children of the rich are such a dud lot!”

    .

    And you would know exatly WHAT about your above generic claim ?

    It is stupid comments like this, from no knowledge base, that leave people like me doubtful of your intellectual capacity John.

    Grow Up, Start a Business, spend your waking and sleeping hours in PRODUCTIVE work.
    Then come back and make your offensive comments when you are qualified.

    NB.
    It is unlikely that any ‘True Green’ (those having a ‘Turkey Baster’ as a ‘Parent’) would ever be qualified to comment with any authority on the subject of Children, rich or otherwise.

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    TrueNews

    RUDDY BRILLIANT

    I bet Kevins Heart was pounding when he saw the Polls.

    Lets hope the Polls get worse and worse for Juliar, and Kevins Heart pounds FASTER and FASTER and FASTER and …

    Sorry for the bad Karma – It was just wishful thinking on my part.

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    pattoh

    TrueNews

    It is a good thing ( for Kev anyway ) that the hospital system has coal fired power feeding the grid.

    I wonder if it was ever on his mind while he was under care?

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    Bob Malloy

    Bruce of Newcastle:
    September 6th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    KeithH

    The ultimate challenge is electoral. Mr Combet, who is my federal MP, has his electoral office in Charlestown

    He’s my local rep as well Bruce, I always believed his office to be in Warners Bay but it is actually in Cardiff near where the rail line goes over main road.

    The Hon Greg Combet AM MP
    Federal Member for Charlton
    Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency
    Electorate Office

    PO Box 747
    Cardiff NSW 2285

    Suite 7, level 1, 342 Main Road
    Cardiff NSW 2285

    Phone: (02) 4954 2611
    Tollfree: 1300 301 798
    Fax: (02) 4954 2655

    Email: greg.combet.mp@aph.gov.au

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    Damian Allen

    Gillard to put her carbon DIOXIDE (PLANT FOOD) tax to Parliament next week !

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/bring_it_on_gillard_to_put_her_tax_to_parliament_next_week/

    THIS MUST BE STOPPED !!!!!!!!

    ELECTION NOW !!!!!!!!!!

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    MaryFJohnston

    [snip]

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    Damian Allen

    Here is the audio of both gillard and swan LYING to Australians about not introducing this carbon DIOXIDE (PLANT FOOD) tax prior to the last federal election…..

    Carbon Tax Scam – audio of swan and gillard:-

    http://www.hotheads.com.au/carbon%20tax%20scam.htm

    ELECTION NOW !!!!!!

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    John Brookes

    True News:

    It was said tongue in cheek, in response to the original quote, “Nothing erodes character like getting something for nothing”.

    You see, I don’t believe that getting something for nothing necessarily erodes character – whether we are talking about welfare or being born rich. It might, but it might not.

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    Tristan

    [snip response to snipped]

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    MaryFJohnston

    [snip... can we aim a little higher...]

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    Tristan

    Thanks Mr/Ms Editor :)

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    More appropriate in explaining why some of the 23% still support Gillard and the ALP.

    *UPDATE: A more useful point — One in four households are dependent on welfare. It’s fairly rational for them to support a larger government. No, it’s not the sole reason, or the only motivation. But it’s an interesting factoid.

    Tristan: An evening in Canberra?

    And #82: That you have to resort to ancient points that may or may not have even been labelled “politically correct” at the time rather says a lot.

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    Tristan

    Tristan: An evening in Canberra?

    Indeed!

    And #82: That you have to resort to ancient points that may or may not have even been labelled “politically correct” at the time rather says a lot.

    You’re right, many of those cases predate the term PC. Nonetheless they seem to fit the bill. I did a cursory search for examples of that I figured you were likely to agree with, best way to do that was pick out some historical terms that we now turn our nose at.

    A lot of political correctness is almost self-parodying. The idea of ‘inclusiveness’ has given us the token woman/black guy who ends up merely reinforcing stereotypes. Changing nursery rhymes is like rewriting history. I’m not advocating a carte blanche approach.

    I don’t mind changing man to human, though he and his represent a bit more grammatical irritation, sometimes I just use the feminine pronouns to avoid clunky sentences and irritated readers. If hermaphrodites or people with disabilities want to be called intersex or differently abled I think that’s fine; I’m OK with groups influencing the way in which they are referred*.

    ~Tristan

    *I wonder how many more letters we can add to LGBTI before it gets to the ‘ridiculous’ stage, I thought LGBT was enough of a mouthful.

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    Damian Allen

    I see the alp (Australian LIARS party) sycophant “Tristan” has graced us with its presence tp spread more BS…..

    (Another valueless comment from Damian) CTS

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    Tristan

    I predict someone will be snipped =P

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    Damian Allen

    Radio 2UE should be guided by truth alone……….

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/2ue_should_be_guided_by_truth_alone/

    YET MORE CENSORSHIP BY THE COMMUNIST GILLARD !

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    Damian Allen

    Don’t mention the white elephant……..

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/dont_mention_the_white_elephant/

    THE NBN == Not Bloody Needed !!

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    Mark D.

    Sure is a lot of snip-ing going on. I’m not even talking here……

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    MaryFJohnston

    Snipped

    Yes there is a lot of that. I have not been disciplined in writing here and let myself get involved with the post at 82.

    It often seems to me that the people who shout about and decry the use of such words, as seen in that post, are using their indignation as an excuse to put those offensive words out in public so that others are confronted as well as to perpetuate the indignity suffered by those being targeted.

    That said I must apologise to Jo for my comment @ 98, where in discussing the writers use of those offensive words, I also used an offensive 1950s term.

    I do note however, with some satisfaction, that the comment was not snipped quick enough and the original offender (losing track of offenders here) did see it and returned comment, thus confirming, in the best scientific manner, that my effort had not been wasted.

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    Damian Allen

    The NBN won’t save the poor

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_nbn_wont_save_the_poor/

    THE NBN….. NOT BLOODY NEEDED !!!!!!!!!!

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    Damian Allen

    Unemployment up again…….THANKS TO THE COMMUNIST GILLARD “government” !!

    Bad news for us, bad news for the Gillard Government:

    AUSTRALIA’S unemployment rate rose to a 10-month high of 5.3 per cent in August as full-time employment slumped, official figures show.

    The July figure was an unrevised 5.1 per cent.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/unemployment_up_again/

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    Tristan

    Mary

    I do note however, with some satisfaction, that the comment was not snipped quick enough and the original offender (losing track of offenders here) did see it and returned comment, thus confirming, in the best scientific manner, that my effort had not been wasted.

    I see you baby ;)

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    Tristan

    Unemployment up again…….THANKS TO THE COMMUNIST GILLARD “government” !!

    McCarthy would be rolling in his cave.

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    MaryFJohnston

    ” I see you baby ;)

    My wife would die laughing if she saw that.

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    Tristan

    Got married in Canada?

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    MaryFJohnston

    I’m a bloke.

    You seem to have missed my earlier posts.

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    Tristan

    I know, I just couldn’t help myself x

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    MaryFJohnston

    Tristan

    i have to ask;

    are you Gee Aye??

    He seems to be inactive at the moment.

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    Gee Aye

    no he (sic) is unwell… breathless in Canberra. Just scrolling not trolling at present

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    MaryFJohnston

    (sic) dont understand this new grammar :)

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    Gee Aye

    I labelled myself as male in the context of replying to your assumption.

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    MaryFJohnston

    Ahhhh

    (sic)—when added just after a quote or reprinted text, indicates the passage appears exactly

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    Mark D.

    (sic) I am feeling sic. then she was a he… take a walk on the wild side… I said (sic) take a walk on the wild side… And the colored girls sing do da do, do do do do do….

    Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with it but Gee Aye sounds a lot like: GAAY.

    Just saying

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    Gee Aye

    (sic) I am feeling sic. then she was a he… take a walk on the wild side… I said (sic) take a walk on the wild side… And the colored girls sing do da do, do do do do do….
    Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with it but Gee Aye sounds a lot like: GAAY.
    Just saying

    not a great surprise

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    Tristan

    Haha, I love you guys

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    Damian Allen

    “Gee Aye”,
    The correct spelling is SICK !

    There is no such work as “sic” in an English Dictionary !

    Ignoramus !

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    Gee Aye

    sic/sik/
    Adverb: Used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original, as in a story must hold a child’s interest and “enrich his [sic] life.”.

    This is also not in an English dictionary, “Obtenez une vie”.

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    Damian Allen

    “Gee Aye”,
    Stop using juvenile kindergarden nonwords.
    It simply illustrates your lack of intelligence and education.

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    Gee Aye

    So Damian… is that Damian speak for, I was wrong so I’ll just revert to the usual abuse”?

    Please tell everyone that you think that [sic} or (sic) are not used in English expression and I’ll let someone else point out your error. To me it is like conversing with a bot (and maybe I am?).

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    Kevin Moore

    “Sock Puppet Government Troll Attack Alternative Media”

    Skeptical Eye.com

    http://www.skepticaleye.com/2011/04/sock-puppet-government-trolls-attack.html

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