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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2010/05/the-great-dying-of-thermometers/#comment-178922</link>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that all of the thermometers and temperature records have disappeared faster than one can say &quot;memory hole&quot;. Perhaps if Orwell were alive today he&#039;d write a sequel to 1984 called 2011.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that all of the thermometers and temperature records have disappeared faster than one can say &#8220;memory hole&#8221;. Perhaps if Orwell were alive today he&#8217;d write a sequel to 1984 called 2011.</p>
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		<title>By: Climate Science Scandals &#8211; List Of Gates Balloons To 129</title>
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		<dc:creator>Climate Science Scandals &#8211; List Of Gates Balloons To 129</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 11:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Global Warming Hoax Weekly Round-Up, May 27th 2010 &#171; The Daily Bayonet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Warming Hoax Weekly Round-Up, May 27th 2010 &#171; The Daily Bayonet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wasn&#8217;t bad enough that the planet might be facing a sixth &#8216;great extinction&#8217;, the worldwide population of thermometers has inexplicably declined [...]</description>
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		<title>By: October 2010 Gate Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>October 2010 Gate Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] vice-chairs of the IPCC comes from human rights wonderland Sudan. 83. Surface stations-gate and here Surface stations poorly sited and lead to false high temperatures, corrupt data. 84. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: abana@israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>abana@israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 08:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what they gonna do in africa where even +1 degree per year can have terrible concequenses for grain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what they gonna do in africa where even +1 degree per year can have terrible concequenses for grain.</p>
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		<title>By: Gate Blowup! Come On In Gate Lovers! &#171; P Gosselin &#8211; NoTricksZone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gate Blowup! Come On In Gate Lovers! &#171; P Gosselin &#8211; NoTricksZone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Spain solar-gate  54. Sting-gate 55. Student dissertation-gate 56. Surface stations-gate and here 57. Toad-gate 58. UNEP-gate 59. UN natural disasters-gate 60. Ursus-gate 61. Windmill-gate and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Climate Scandals: List Of 94 Climate-Gates &#171; P Gosselin &#8211; NoTricksZone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Climate Scandals: List Of 94 Climate-Gates &#171; P Gosselin &#8211; NoTricksZone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#8230; and Judithgate, any more gate whitewashing? &#124; Skeptical Swedish Scientists</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8230; and Judithgate, any more gate whitewashing? &#124; Skeptical Swedish Scientists</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: co2isnotevil</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

If you follow the post, the &#039;trends&#039; reported are more highly correlated to data collection issues than to any real temperature trend.  You are absolutely right that the selection criteria used by GISS and others for their temperature reconstructions should be reviewed.  FOI requests have been made to see obtain the selection criteria, as opposed to having to reverse engineer it from the results and a few junk papers by Hansen et all, but as far as I know, GISS is still tight lipped about the criteria and how it was justified.

This is why I put little faith in surface temperature reconstructions.  The satellite data is a far better source of information.  This has 100% coverage in time and space over the entire surface of the Earth and a subjective reduction of the data is far harder to get away with.

George</description>
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<p>If you follow the post, the &#8216;trends&#8217; reported are more highly correlated to data collection issues than to any real temperature trend.  You are absolutely right that the selection criteria used by GISS and others for their temperature reconstructions should be reviewed.  FOI requests have been made to see obtain the selection criteria, as opposed to having to reverse engineer it from the results and a few junk papers by Hansen et all, but as far as I know, GISS is still tight lipped about the criteria and how it was justified.</p>
<p>This is why I put little faith in surface temperature reconstructions.  The satellite data is a far better source of information.  This has 100% coverage in time and space over the entire surface of the Earth and a subjective reduction of the data is far harder to get away with.</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,

Then someone should review the method used to create this plot and develop different selection criteria.

This report attempts to say that we&#039;re no longer keeping good track of temperature data.  Quite the opposite is true.  There is more data than ever.  It&#039;s all recorded, logged, and archived far more precisely than at any other time in history.  Selecting good data from that set is more difficult.  But the computer tools to do that make it easy.

This report is not a good critique of this method.  It gets an result.  If you disagree with the result you should go and do the analysis yourself.  It&#039;s not enough to just not like the result.  You&#039;ll need to find a flaw in the analysis.  That will be far more difficult than just stomping around and saying, &quot;Hey, they only used 500,000 data points to review the temperature trends!  They should have used the other 5 million.&quot;

The truth is out there.

Paul</description>
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<p>Then someone should review the method used to create this plot and develop different selection criteria.</p>
<p>This report attempts to say that we&#8217;re no longer keeping good track of temperature data.  Quite the opposite is true.  There is more data than ever.  It&#8217;s all recorded, logged, and archived far more precisely than at any other time in history.  Selecting good data from that set is more difficult.  But the computer tools to do that make it easy.</p>
<p>This report is not a good critique of this method.  It gets an result.  If you disagree with the result you should go and do the analysis yourself.  It&#8217;s not enough to just not like the result.  You&#8217;ll need to find a flaw in the analysis.  That will be far more difficult than just stomping around and saying, &#8220;Hey, they only used 500,000 data points to review the temperature trends!  They should have used the other 5 million.&#8221;</p>
<p>The truth is out there.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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