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		<title>By: Bob Webster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 16:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mark.

The fudging of data at GISS is a serious offense that I would hope the new Congress takes a hard look into.

I am always amazed when people can see things that aren&#039;t there (e.g., the Mann&#039;s &quot;Hockey Stick&quot;) and then not see things that are there (as with KAP above).

As if life isn&#039;t challenging enough!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mark.</p>
<p>The fudging of data at GISS is a serious offense that I would hope the new Congress takes a hard look into.</p>
<p>I am always amazed when people can see things that aren&#8217;t there (e.g., the Mann&#8217;s &#8220;Hockey Stick&#8221;) and then not see things that are there (as with KAP above).</p>
<p>As if life isn&#8217;t challenging enough!</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done Mr. Webster!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done Mr. Webster!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Webster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last line of previous post should read:

&lt;em&gt;This is perhaps the best example of “man-made” warming this planet will ever experience!&lt;/em&gt;

(too many &quot;the&quot; in the original!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last line of previous post should read:</p>
<p><em>This is perhaps the best example of “man-made” warming this planet will ever experience!</em></p>
<p>(too many &#8220;the&#8221; in the original!)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Webster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KAP writes:  &quot;The 1980 and 1987 graphs are identical; only the vertical scale is different.&quot;

Nonsense.

Yes, the ordinate axis scales are different, but so are the differences -- differences which should remain proportionately the same if data were simply shown to a different scale (e.g., Fahrenheit vs. Celsius, for example).  We have no idea why the scales are different and we certainly have no explanation for why the data were changed to reflect increases when earlier the same periods exhibited a decrease!

Note the following:

The 1980 chart shows 1960 temperature is ~25% DROP from 1940 temperature (~0.24°C to ~0.18°C) and 1980 temperature is ~17% DROP from 1960 temperature (~0.18°C to ~0.15°C).

&lt;strong&gt;Summary, 1980 chart:&lt;/strong&gt;
          1940:  ~0.24°C
          1960:  ~0.18°C   (&lt;strong&gt;DOWN ~25%&lt;/strong&gt;)
          1980:  ~0.15°C   (&lt;strong&gt;DOWN ~17%&lt;/strong&gt;)

The 1987 chart shows 1960 temperature is ~50% DROP from 1940 temperature (~0.16°C to ~0.08°C) and 1980 temperature is ~175% INCREASE from 1960 temperture (~0.08°C to ~0.22°C).

&lt;strong&gt;Summary, 1987 chart:&lt;/strong&gt;
          1940:  ~0.16°C
          1960:  ~0.08°C   (&lt;strong&gt;DOWN ~50%&lt;/strong&gt;)
          1980:  ~0.22°C   (&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;UP ~175%&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;)

How was this achieved in a mere seven years?  By artificially &quot;correcting&quot; (&quot;fudging data&quot; to make it conform with Hansen&#039;s theory?) well-established measurements by reducing earlier temperatures and increasing later temperatures.

This is the perhaps the best example of &quot;man-made&quot; warming this planet will ever experience!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KAP writes:  &#8220;The 1980 and 1987 graphs are identical; only the vertical scale is different.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nonsense.</p>
<p>Yes, the ordinate axis scales are different, but so are the differences &#8212; differences which should remain proportionately the same if data were simply shown to a different scale (e.g., Fahrenheit vs. Celsius, for example).  We have no idea why the scales are different and we certainly have no explanation for why the data were changed to reflect increases when earlier the same periods exhibited a decrease!</p>
<p>Note the following:</p>
<p>The 1980 chart shows 1960 temperature is ~25% DROP from 1940 temperature (~0.24°C to ~0.18°C) and 1980 temperature is ~17% DROP from 1960 temperature (~0.18°C to ~0.15°C).</p>
<p><strong>Summary, 1980 chart:</strong><br />
          1940:  ~0.24°C<br />
          1960:  ~0.18°C   (<strong>DOWN ~25%</strong>)<br />
          1980:  ~0.15°C   (<strong>DOWN ~17%</strong>)</p>
<p>The 1987 chart shows 1960 temperature is ~50% DROP from 1940 temperature (~0.16°C to ~0.08°C) and 1980 temperature is ~175% INCREASE from 1960 temperture (~0.08°C to ~0.22°C).</p>
<p><strong>Summary, 1987 chart:</strong><br />
          1940:  ~0.16°C<br />
          1960:  ~0.08°C   (<strong>DOWN ~50%</strong>)<br />
          1980:  ~0.22°C   (<strong><em>UP ~175%</em></strong>)</p>
<p>How was this achieved in a mere seven years?  By artificially &#8220;correcting&#8221; (&#8220;fudging data&#8221; to make it conform with Hansen&#8217;s theory?) well-established measurements by reducing earlier temperatures and increasing later temperatures.</p>
<p>This is the perhaps the best example of &#8220;man-made&#8221; warming this planet will ever experience!</p>
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		<title>By: KAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>KAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 02:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1980 and 1987 graphs are identical; only the vertical scale is different. Neither of these graphs are global, they are land only. The 2007 graph is global, i.e., it includes SST. Thus you are comparing apples to oranges. Nothing to see here: move along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1980 and 1987 graphs are identical; only the vertical scale is different. Neither of these graphs are global, they are land only. The 2007 graph is global, i.e., it includes SST. Thus you are comparing apples to oranges. Nothing to see here: move along.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Warming Hoax Weekly Round-Up, March 25th 2010 &#171; The Daily Bayonet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Warming Hoax Weekly Round-Up, March 25th 2010 &#171; The Daily Bayonet</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Nova digs deeper into the mystery of the missing decline, it&#8217;s a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Réchauffement médiatique &#187; Blog Archive &#187; La Terre plate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Réchauffement médiatique &#187; Blog Archive &#187; La Terre plate</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] révision constante à la hausse des températures entre 1945 et 1975 par Hansen (GISS) pour diminuer le déclin et [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Hansen: 70-talet blir varmare med åren</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hansen: 70-talet blir varmare med åren</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] av världens få kvarvarande vetenskapsjournalister med ryggrad - Joanne Nova &#8211; rapporterar om Hansens upptåg som  vakthavande officer för NASA:s GISS temperaturserier [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bush bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MattB: O/T Dobber is a person who informs the police or tries to 
discredit others by causing trouble.  By describing me as a snitch
or dobber doesn&#039;t offend me if it is used in the context of informing others of what I see  as the untruths and hidden agendas attached to the balmy AGW.

Dobbing in on your mates to save your own backside is considered
the lowest of the low tactics in Australia.  Probably stems back to the earliest colonial days.  The police and initial military tended to be more corrupt &amp; opportunistic than the general population. Troopers the cops were called, and they were very nasty. 

If you think Australia was easy to populate in comparison to
the USA.  Think again!  The climate was unpredicable. Our Aborigines were not armed bar spears. They didn&#039;t ride horses
and generally were a peaceful lot in comparison to the Apache
and Sioux.  However, the natural environment and isolation lack of
communications were the main battlefronts, and water supplies,then the authorities who were also bent.  Plus our dangerous wildlife, spiders, snakes, flies etc.  And sharks of course.

Add the measures of climate changers propose, and they&#039;ll put us
backwards not progressive. To suit the Green policies that are social/political is their makeup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MattB: O/T Dobber is a person who informs the police or tries to<br />
discredit others by causing trouble.  By describing me as a snitch<br />
or dobber doesn&#8217;t offend me if it is used in the context of informing others of what I see  as the untruths and hidden agendas attached to the balmy AGW.</p>
<p>Dobbing in on your mates to save your own backside is considered<br />
the lowest of the low tactics in Australia.  Probably stems back to the earliest colonial days.  The police and initial military tended to be more corrupt &amp; opportunistic than the general population. Troopers the cops were called, and they were very nasty. </p>
<p>If you think Australia was easy to populate in comparison to<br />
the USA.  Think again!  The climate was unpredicable. Our Aborigines were not armed bar spears. They didn&#8217;t ride horses<br />
and generally were a peaceful lot in comparison to the Apache<br />
and Sioux.  However, the natural environment and isolation lack of<br />
communications were the main battlefronts, and water supplies,then the authorities who were also bent.  Plus our dangerous wildlife, spiders, snakes, flies etc.  And sharks of course.</p>
<p>Add the measures of climate changers propose, and they&#8217;ll put us<br />
backwards not progressive. To suit the Green policies that are social/political is their makeup.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Bush bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WestHoustonGeo:  In Europe during the early sixties they had strange  bad weather patterns.  1963 was the coldest winter until this last one possibly worse.  I had returned from 2 1/2 years in Cyprus.

Stayed in East London for a month, and they had just gone smoke free.  The Thames froze over like in Victorian times, at Windsor. The first time I had ever suffered chilblains.  Icicles on the inside of the house on the upstairs taps.  No central heating then
just a small coke fire in the sitting/dining room.  One of those
terraced Victorian Homes.

People think of summers, not winters.  A mild winter does less
harm than a severe one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WestHoustonGeo:  In Europe during the early sixties they had strange  bad weather patterns.  1963 was the coldest winter until this last one possibly worse.  I had returned from 2 1/2 years in Cyprus.</p>
<p>Stayed in East London for a month, and they had just gone smoke free.  The Thames froze over like in Victorian times, at Windsor. The first time I had ever suffered chilblains.  Icicles on the inside of the house on the upstairs taps.  No central heating then<br />
just a small coke fire in the sitting/dining room.  One of those<br />
terraced Victorian Homes.</p>
<p>People think of summers, not winters.  A mild winter does less<br />
harm than a severe one.</p>
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