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By: Bush bunny

Bush bunny — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:25:24 +0000

Jo? There is a post missing, a poster said they were making their own solar panels. That’s good. Australia has run out of them, and importing them from the USA.

[Bush Bunny, the post you refer to was spam, the link connected to a site marketing all kinds of stuff. It was deleted. The JoNova site has been popular and that means spammers are interested. ED]

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By: Bush bunny

Bush bunny — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:23:56 +0000

Brendan H. No I have never assumed you live in the Northern Hemisphere, those posters are usually more intelligent and perceptive to the cons being perpetrated by AGW alarmists and their peers and the prime suspects in this crime against humanity. The Al Gores, Hansen, Jones, Schneiders, Manns to JUST name a few. And the Goldman Sachs Investment bankers whose once Australian director was Malcolm Turnbull who has promised to cross the floor to side with an ETS bill. And alleged to have invested millions in Carbon Credits.

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By: Bush bunny

Bush bunny — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:18:03 +0000

Couldn’t care a stuff Brendan H. You are always OT to me anyway, I’m only trying to put you back on the right track. I’m a conciliator and teacher by profession.

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By: Brendan H

Brendan H — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:02:54 +0000

Bush Bunny: “Women are ignored on this blog.”

I’m not intentionally ignoring you, Bush Bunny, but what you have to say is OT to my argument.

I also notice that you assume I live in the northern hemisphere.

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By: Bob

Bob — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:30:57 +0000

Let us look at the climate change alarmists from the perspective of history. 3000 years ago the Phonecians traded with Britain for what was in those days the equivalent of uranium or explosives, the components that are essential in the production of the most modern weapons.. To them Britain was known as the Tin Islands or Cassiterides. Tin was essential in the production of bronze and bronze was the best weapons material of the age. They were the arms dealers of their day. We can only imagine how lucrative the tin trade was, but it warrented sailing from the east coast of the Mediteranian to the ends of the known world. A very hazardous venture to say the least, especially when they reached the Atlantic.
Once they established their trade routes they would no doubt want to protect them from other potential traders. So what could they do? They would have certainly lost many ships on these voyages, there in laid the answer to their problem. They lied, they lied about ships falling off the end of the world and they lied about sea monsters that sank ships. Every sailor would have new frightening tales to tell on his return home. This strategy worked better than they could have dreamed of. Their lies were believed for over 2000 years! If we look at the consequence of this, it could be said that they held back world exploration over this 2000 year period.
We now come to the present and we find nothing has changed. Those who will profit from the trading in carbon credits and other climate change industries have lied. They will continue to lie because there are billions of dollars to be made out of this scam. They will continue to lie because as Hitler said make the lie big, keep on telling it and it will become the truth. Just as the lies of the Phonecians became the truth for 2000 years.

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By: Bush bunny

Bush bunny — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:28:05 +0000

Women are ignored on this blog. I’m off to bed, been at an town
local autumn festival today, it was lovely. See yer soon.

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By: Bush bunny

Bush bunny — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:28:27 +0000

I think Brenda H with respect. One of the arguments by skeptical scientists is that you cannot judge any climate change over a 50 year period? You have to go back thousands and then millions.

The Medieval Warm Period that was warmer than now, then followed by the mini ice age that really hasn’t ended it seems, and of course Mann’s Hockey stick thing was not correct. So we are it seems still in an ice age, but a warm period, that will go up and down for a while for the next what 100 years perhaps, then …
gradually the temps will plunged by a mere 5 c. However, the summers won’t warm too well in North America, and in the extremes
the snow will not melt and then become ice. Take another 1000 years. But the truth is, our agricultural growing season will shorten… and that will effect agricultural production.

Don’t worry, get a visa now and come to Australia or the Southern Hemisphere, because we won’t be that badly effected for at least
50,000 years by which time, few humans will be left arrive. Get real we were a interglacial species. Some might survive in highly
structured colonies, or we may have during those 50k years changed the atmosphere on Mars that according to Carl Sagan could be possible. Nice iron rich soil eh, could be good for growing fruits
and pastures.

Hope you haven’t thrown away your Ugg boots, yet?

luv

Bush bunny from Oz.

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By: Roy Hogue

Roy Hogue — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:17:59 +0000

Brendan H @229,

Sorry, I didn’t notice that you addressed me again until today. But one hardly needs to answer. The stuff you called out from Wiki was thoroughly demolished. I think that takes care of the reliability of what’s found there. Do you begin to get the picture?

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By: Bob

Bob — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:57:26 +0000

There is one thing that is certain in regards to scientific consensus. That is that it is often proved to be false doctrine. It was once scientific consensus that the earth was the centre of the universe. Galilao was investigated by the Inquisition for saying that the Earth revolved around the sun. It was once scientific consensus that the earth was flat. Until Columbus turned this theory on its head. It is a fact that the great steps forward made by mankind have been made by those who were not shackled by scientific consensus. It would be interesting to know what the neighbours thought of our distant forbear as he started to make the first wheel.
If we are going to be governed by this latest so called scientific consensus we are destined to be returned to the Dark Ages.

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By: Brendan H

Brendan H — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:09:24 +0000

Richard: “To prove the statement wrong…”

You’re trying to change the subject. My argument has focused on the issue of whether or not a particular statement functions as a claim. Here is my original post:

Tide: “Also, for the record, “denialists” do not make claims.”

Yes, they do. You just made one. Here’s another: “There is no evidence that anything happening with regard to the climate today differs from what has happened previously.”

The primary issue is: do climate sceptics make claims? Your handwaving and personal attackes do not change that fact.

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