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		<title>By: Baa Humbug</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/the-global-gullibles-shift-to-high-gear-smear/#comment-34159</link>
		<dc:creator>Baa Humbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard S Courtney:
March 2nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

Thankyou Richard, that was interesting. (I was tempted to say &quot;entertaining&quot; but it was too sad to be that)

I say sad because tactics of people like Robinson, (highly educated, holding important posts) resorting to these types of offensive personal attacks can be nothing other than sad.
Surely at some stage there has to be some sort of personal reflection? A thought as to how one comes across to people they are responsible to for preparing them for adult life?

On a related note, I&#039;ve been wanting to commend you on your discipline and patient self-restraint whilst debating with bloggers.
I keep reminding myself to keep calm, not to get angry and not to get too sarcastic but I fail on many occasions. My hot Meditteranean blood possibly.

p.s. An audio or video of the debate would have been gr8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard S Courtney:<br />
March 2nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm</p>
<p>Thankyou Richard, that was interesting. (I was tempted to say &#8220;entertaining&#8221; but it was too sad to be that)</p>
<p>I say sad because tactics of people like Robinson, (highly educated, holding important posts) resorting to these types of offensive personal attacks can be nothing other than sad.<br />
Surely at some stage there has to be some sort of personal reflection? A thought as to how one comes across to people they are responsible to for preparing them for adult life?</p>
<p>On a related note, I&#8217;ve been wanting to commend you on your discipline and patient self-restraint whilst debating with bloggers.<br />
I keep reminding myself to keep calm, not to get angry and not to get too sarcastic but I fail on many occasions. My hot Meditteranean blood possibly.</p>
<p>p.s. An audio or video of the debate would have been gr8</p>
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		<title>By: Richard S Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard S Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baa Humbug:

At #74 you provide a quotation and say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Desperate times indeed for the alarmists. have a read of what Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders had to say..&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is not the first time I have heard (and been subjected to) this odious asserted comparison.  Please see
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=2938
 
As the link explains, on that occasion the assertion did not go down well with those who heard it.
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baa Humbug:</p>
<p>At #74 you provide a quotation and say:</p>
<blockquote><p>Desperate times indeed for the alarmists. have a read of what Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders had to say..</p></blockquote>
<p>This is not the first time I have heard (and been subjected to) this odious asserted comparison.  Please see<br />
<a href="http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=2938" rel="nofollow">http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=2938</a></p>
<p>As the link explains, on that occasion the assertion did not go down well with those who heard it.</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Richard S Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard S Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil:

At #98 you ask:

&lt;blockquote&gt;You say that Clive Hamilton is trying to help ‘banker profits, corrupt scientists, and plundering bureaucrats’ but there is also the one world government totalitarians, Al-qaida, wealth redistribution activists, ex communists and the scientists that were paid by Thatcher to hatch this plot. I think it’s also all western governments. Such a vast coalition of ne’er do wells. What is the single thing they all want out of this plot?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why do you assume that everybody on the AGW bandwagon has the same &quot;single reason&quot; for travelling on it?  I know of no other bandwagon of which this is true.

If you insist on a &quot;single reason&quot; why they have all climbed aboard the AGW bandwagon then it is because the bandwagon is heading in a direction that they all want to go.  But &lt;strong&gt;that does not mean they all have the same desired destination&lt;/strong&gt;.

There are five things they want:  
&lt;strong&gt;money, power, prestige, a societal change, and job security.&lt;/strong&gt;

Some want one of these things, others more than one, some all five.

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil:</p>
<p>At #98 you ask:</p>
<blockquote><p>You say that Clive Hamilton is trying to help ‘banker profits, corrupt scientists, and plundering bureaucrats’ but there is also the one world government totalitarians, Al-qaida, wealth redistribution activists, ex communists and the scientists that were paid by Thatcher to hatch this plot. I think it’s also all western governments. Such a vast coalition of ne’er do wells. What is the single thing they all want out of this plot?</p></blockquote>
<p>Why do you assume that everybody on the AGW bandwagon has the same &#8220;single reason&#8221; for travelling on it?  I know of no other bandwagon of which this is true.</p>
<p>If you insist on a &#8220;single reason&#8221; why they have all climbed aboard the AGW bandwagon then it is because the bandwagon is heading in a direction that they all want to go.  But <strong>that does not mean they all have the same desired destination</strong>.</p>
<p>There are five things they want:<br />
<strong>money, power, prestige, a societal change, and job security.</strong></p>
<p>Some want one of these things, others more than one, some all five.</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Jaytee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaytee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Attempting to intimidate?

Oh and look, was Clive-Bully-Hamilton trying to intimidate me again by using my maiden name, as if it meant something? It’s got zero recognition in politics or the media, and no web presence at all, so Clive’s only intent presumably is to scare me by trying to attack my private life, or alert his flock to do more “research” digging for dirt they can’t find?&quot;

Jo as I&#039;m sure you know, you ain&#039;t the first Hamilton&#039;s tried to attack using these tactics:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/leave_my_children_alone_hamilton/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
If ever you needed an example of &lt;strong&gt;bad&lt;/strong&gt; manners, this has got to be up there. Vile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Attempting to intimidate?</p>
<p>Oh and look, was Clive-Bully-Hamilton trying to intimidate me again by using my maiden name, as if it meant something? It’s got zero recognition in politics or the media, and no web presence at all, so Clive’s only intent presumably is to scare me by trying to attack my private life, or alert his flock to do more “research” digging for dirt they can’t find?&#8221;</p>
<p>Jo as I&#8217;m sure you know, you ain&#8217;t the first Hamilton&#8217;s tried to attack using these tactics:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/leave_my_children_alone_hamilton/" rel="nofollow"><br />
If ever you needed an example of <strong>bad</strong> manners, this has got to be up there. Vile.</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 02:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really does seem to me that those who do not believe in man made climate change are very much more passionate than those who do.  
You say that Clive Hamilton is trying to help  &#039;banker profits, corrupt scientists, and plundering bureaucrats&#039; but there is also the one world government totalitarians, Al-qaida, wealth redistribution activists, ex communists and the scientists that were paid by Thatcher to hatch this plot. I think it&#039;s also all western governments.  Such a vast coalition of ne&#039;er do wells.  What is the single thing they all want out of this plot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really does seem to me that those who do not believe in man made climate change are very much more passionate than those who do.<br />
You say that Clive Hamilton is trying to help  &#8216;banker profits, corrupt scientists, and plundering bureaucrats&#8217; but there is also the one world government totalitarians, Al-qaida, wealth redistribution activists, ex communists and the scientists that were paid by Thatcher to hatch this plot. I think it&#8217;s also all western governments.  Such a vast coalition of ne&#8217;er do wells.  What is the single thing they all want out of this plot?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Otter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last week here was rough and I haven&#039;t been keeping up, but wanted to add: You are EXCELLENCE IN BROADCASTING, Jo!

(That&#039;s a Rush Limbaugh joke)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last week here was rough and I haven&#8217;t been keeping up, but wanted to add: You are EXCELLENCE IN BROADCASTING, Jo!</p>
<p>(That&#8217;s a Rush Limbaugh joke)</p>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Meikle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 04:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am at this very moment reading Ian Wishart&#039;s book &quot;Air Con: the seriously inconvenient truth about global warming&quot;. He is of course a climate rationalist (I reject &quot;denier&quot; and am not overly keen on the term &quot;skeptic&quot;) and at the moment i am up to the chapter that deals with precisly this kind of bullying.

He mentions the planet Venus, and says it is not relevant as Venus has one side perpetually turned to the sun, which would grossly skew any greenhouse affect there.

I always doubted the relevance of it myself

A fine book, recommended by Lord Monckton, written for the lay reader and VERY WELL researched with every quote attested in foot notes at the BOTTOM of the page - as they should be for the careful scholar

Here&#039;s hoping the case for AGW fails publicly soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am at this very moment reading Ian Wishart&#8217;s book &#8220;Air Con: the seriously inconvenient truth about global warming&#8221;. He is of course a climate rationalist (I reject &#8220;denier&#8221; and am not overly keen on the term &#8220;skeptic&#8221;) and at the moment i am up to the chapter that deals with precisly this kind of bullying.</p>
<p>He mentions the planet Venus, and says it is not relevant as Venus has one side perpetually turned to the sun, which would grossly skew any greenhouse affect there.</p>
<p>I always doubted the relevance of it myself</p>
<p>A fine book, recommended by Lord Monckton, written for the lay reader and VERY WELL researched with every quote attested in foot notes at the BOTTOM of the page &#8211; as they should be for the careful scholar</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping the case for AGW fails publicly soon</p>
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		<dc:creator>Mark D.</dc:creator>
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		<description>Sounds like Clive is whining now that the tables have turned in the public eye.  

Please post any proof you have that &quot;DENIALIST ORGANIZATIONS&quot; exist.  Talk about wacky paranoid beliefs that Hamilton has!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Clive is whining now that the tables have turned in the public eye.  </p>
<p>Please post any proof you have that &#8220;DENIALIST ORGANIZATIONS&#8221; exist.  Talk about wacky paranoid beliefs that Hamilton has!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Rod McLaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/22/2826417.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/22/2826417.htm&lt;/a&gt;. Climate scientists &#039;under cyber attack&#039; according to author Clive Hamilton. The 2009 Greens candidate says the attacks are arranged by &quot;denialist organisations&quot; and are aimed at driving climate scientists from the public debate.

Yeah, right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/22/2826417.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/22/2826417.htm</a>. Climate scientists &#8216;under cyber attack&#8217; according to author Clive Hamilton. The 2009 Greens candidate says the attacks are arranged by &#8220;denialist organisations&#8221; and are aimed at driving climate scientists from the public debate.</p>
<p>Yeah, right&#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Baa Humbug</dc:creator>
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		<description>Roy Hogue:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
I don&#039;t think they will Roy. These court challenges will bring the &quot;science&quot; out into the open. The said science being comprised of maybes and probablies, I doubt it will stand up in the courts.
Time will tell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Hogue:<br />
February 25th, 2010 at 1:36 pm<br />
I don&#8217;t think they will Roy. These court challenges will bring the &#8220;science&#8221; out into the open. The said science being comprised of maybes and probablies, I doubt it will stand up in the courts.<br />
Time will tell</p>
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