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		<title>By: Roy Hogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Hogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leon,

I&#039;m not sure what you mean.  But Phil jones has definitely been the gift that keeps on giving.  I suspect he&#039;ll have even more to give before it&#039;s all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean.  But Phil jones has definitely been the gift that keeps on giving.  I suspect he&#8217;ll have even more to give before it&#8217;s all over.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, Phil Jones definitely knows how to keep you guys talking. Look at all this comments! nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, Phil Jones definitely knows how to keep you guys talking. Look at all this comments! nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Bush bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 07:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah:  The BBC interview seemed to me somewhat phrased indifferently.  Why wouldn&#039;t it be, the BBC has invested its
pension fund in CCT&#039;s.  And from what I have read Britain is
spending billions on wind turbines, even though people have been disillusioned by their  ineffectiveness, expense and
ugliness including the noise they make. Two acres of land for their concrete slabs, and the effect on wild life, that fly into them and are chopped up.

Someone has been making heaps from clean energy and EU is 
finding out it&#039;s problems are directly involved with this now,
that the IPCC debacle didn&#039;t come to any proper solution.

Well let&#039;s see if Dr Jones is exonerated by the Commons investigation.  As the IPCC review panel exonerates Dr Pachauri.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah:  The BBC interview seemed to me somewhat phrased indifferently.  Why wouldn&#8217;t it be, the BBC has invested its<br />
pension fund in CCT&#8217;s.  And from what I have read Britain is<br />
spending billions on wind turbines, even though people have been disillusioned by their  ineffectiveness, expense and<br />
ugliness including the noise they make. Two acres of land for their concrete slabs, and the effect on wild life, that fly into them and are chopped up.</p>
<p>Someone has been making heaps from clean energy and EU is<br />
finding out it&#8217;s problems are directly involved with this now,<br />
that the IPCC debacle didn&#8217;t come to any proper solution.</p>
<p>Well let&#8217;s see if Dr Jones is exonerated by the Commons investigation.  As the IPCC review panel exonerates Dr Pachauri.</p>
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		<title>By: Baa Humbug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baa Humbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 00:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Swedish Initiative slams Phil Jones, effectively saying Jones lied and perjured himself.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Dr. Jones asserted that the weather services of several countries, including Sweden, Canada and Poland, had refused to allow their data to be released, to explain his reluctance to comply with Freedom of Information requests.

This statement is false and misleading in regards to the Swedish data.

All Swedish climate data are available in the public domain. As is demonstrated in the attached correspondence between SMHI (Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute), the UK Met Office and Dr. Jones (the last correspondence dated yesterday March 4), this has been clearly explained to Dr. Jones. What is also clear is that SMHI is reluctant to be connected to data that has undergone “processing” by the East Anglia research unit&quot;.&lt;/em&gt;

STOCKHOLM INITIATIVE
Göran Ahlgren, secretary general
Kungsgatan 82
12 27 Stockholm, Sweden

&lt;a href=&quot;http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/05/swedes-call-out-jones-on-data-availability/#more-17014&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;via WUWT&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Swedish Initiative slams Phil Jones, effectively saying Jones lied and perjured himself.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Dr. Jones asserted that the weather services of several countries, including Sweden, Canada and Poland, had refused to allow their data to be released, to explain his reluctance to comply with Freedom of Information requests.</p>
<p>This statement is false and misleading in regards to the Swedish data.</p>
<p>All Swedish climate data are available in the public domain. As is demonstrated in the attached correspondence between SMHI (Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute), the UK Met Office and Dr. Jones (the last correspondence dated yesterday March 4), this has been clearly explained to Dr. Jones. What is also clear is that SMHI is reluctant to be connected to data that has undergone “processing” by the East Anglia research unit&#8221;.</em></p>
<p>STOCKHOLM INITIATIVE<br />
Göran Ahlgren, secretary general<br />
Kungsgatan 82<br />
12 27 Stockholm, Sweden</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/05/swedes-call-out-jones-on-data-availability/#more-17014" rel="nofollow">via WUWT</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Tel: How about the Nile River? Runs South to North.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a rather wide, flat valley. Not much different from the surrounding plain (other than where the water is). I was thinking of a deeper mountain valley.</description>
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Tel: How about the Nile River? Runs South to North.
</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a rather wide, flat valley. Not much different from the surrounding plain (other than where the water is). I was thinking of a deeper mountain valley.</p>
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		<title>By: Bush bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if Adrian Googles cosmic rays, it will answer a lot.
It seems that these sub atomic particles are more numerous when
there is no solar activity, sun spots, flares and solar wind.

I think if someone wants to be really studious, check out the records of solar activity and if they correlate with either
drier and hotter or colder weather.  

There are other variables too involved like where humans live
and urban developments around the globe.  But in the last glacial period, most of Earth&#039;s population was down South,
Non in the Northern America&#039;s, Asia and Europe.  Some around
the Levant, and Southern Europe and parts of South America.  But Australia was populated.

We&#039;re an Ice Planet, enjoy the warmer weather as warmer means
more rain for food production and animal production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if Adrian Googles cosmic rays, it will answer a lot.<br />
It seems that these sub atomic particles are more numerous when<br />
there is no solar activity, sun spots, flares and solar wind.</p>
<p>I think if someone wants to be really studious, check out the records of solar activity and if they correlate with either<br />
drier and hotter or colder weather.  </p>
<p>There are other variables too involved like where humans live<br />
and urban developments around the globe.  But in the last glacial period, most of Earth&#8217;s population was down South,<br />
Non in the Northern America&#8217;s, Asia and Europe.  Some around<br />
the Levant, and Southern Europe and parts of South America.  But Australia was populated.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re an Ice Planet, enjoy the warmer weather as warmer means<br />
more rain for food production and animal production.</p>
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		<title>By: Bush bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush bunny</dc:creator>
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		<description>Cosmic Rays (sounds like something from a Sci-Fi movie, eh?) Are believed to be created by Super Nova&#039;s, someone suggested &quot;Is that why we are getting more cancer? Well, who knows eh? But they
can penetrate everything.  One of the American astronauts mentioned this he saw some specks of light penetrating his visor. He thought they might have been gamma rays.  I can&#039;t remember which one, I&#039;ll Google and find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cosmic Rays (sounds like something from a Sci-Fi movie, eh?) Are believed to be created by Super Nova&#8217;s, someone suggested &#8220;Is that why we are getting more cancer? Well, who knows eh? But they<br />
can penetrate everything.  One of the American astronauts mentioned this he saw some specks of light penetrating his visor. He thought they might have been gamma rays.  I can&#8217;t remember which one, I&#8217;ll Google and find out.</p>
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		<title>By: Bush bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark D  &amp; Baa Humbug &amp; Adrian.

Urban development, damming large rivers (like the Nile) deforestation (like in South America) will create their own
micro-climates.  Fishing in the Delta region off Egypt, was diminished after the Aswan Dam was created. The influx of regular fresh water and no silt killed off the plankton the fish ate.  Didn&#039;t effect the Levant though, and that&#039;s only a couple hundred miles away from the Delta by sea. If that.
However, after 30 years the fishing has recovered.  

Deforestation of large areas of forest, does alter precipitation patterns that can effect areas 200 miles away.  The reason being cloud cover goes higher without the trees transpiration volumes. However strip clearance has less of an
effect.

In Winter my home is on a ridge about 200 - 300 feet higher than
in the valley 2 kms away.  My house is 5 deg C warmer in the
winter.  And when it snows, it settles longer where I live than
down in the valley. As urban developments send up more heat.
That&#039;s a simplistic explanation.

Clouds or 95% of Greenhouse gases, are developed from sub atomic
particles joining up with water vapor particles from the oceans.
However solar activity e.g. sun spots divert cosmic particles
away from the planet, so less cloud cover.  Nothing we can do
about that.  And it depends on where you live on this planet too.  The angle of land masses from the sun.(The latitudes they cover)  Like up North in some regions they have less sunshine in winter etc. Alaska, Norway, the Hebrides have the land of the midnight sun (No wonder they lack a National sense of humour LOL) Down in the Antarctic is the same.  To me it is
basic first year Uni studies so when I saw and heard of Al Gore&#039;s predictions I queried his &#039;science&#039; about AGW.  When he
and UN IPCC got the Nobel prize and the Academy award, I nearly
died of frustration.  Where were the scientists who could refute
this, all silent.  Well we know now why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark D  &amp; Baa Humbug &amp; Adrian.</p>
<p>Urban development, damming large rivers (like the Nile) deforestation (like in South America) will create their own<br />
micro-climates.  Fishing in the Delta region off Egypt, was diminished after the Aswan Dam was created. The influx of regular fresh water and no silt killed off the plankton the fish ate.  Didn&#8217;t effect the Levant though, and that&#8217;s only a couple hundred miles away from the Delta by sea. If that.<br />
However, after 30 years the fishing has recovered.  </p>
<p>Deforestation of large areas of forest, does alter precipitation patterns that can effect areas 200 miles away.  The reason being cloud cover goes higher without the trees transpiration volumes. However strip clearance has less of an<br />
effect.</p>
<p>In Winter my home is on a ridge about 200 &#8211; 300 feet higher than<br />
in the valley 2 kms away.  My house is 5 deg C warmer in the<br />
winter.  And when it snows, it settles longer where I live than<br />
down in the valley. As urban developments send up more heat.<br />
That&#8217;s a simplistic explanation.</p>
<p>Clouds or 95% of Greenhouse gases, are developed from sub atomic<br />
particles joining up with water vapor particles from the oceans.<br />
However solar activity e.g. sun spots divert cosmic particles<br />
away from the planet, so less cloud cover.  Nothing we can do<br />
about that.  And it depends on where you live on this planet too.  The angle of land masses from the sun.(The latitudes they cover)  Like up North in some regions they have less sunshine in winter etc. Alaska, Norway, the Hebrides have the land of the midnight sun (No wonder they lack a National sense of humour LOL) Down in the Antarctic is the same.  To me it is<br />
basic first year Uni studies so when I saw and heard of Al Gore&#8217;s predictions I queried his &#8216;science&#8217; about AGW.  When he<br />
and UN IPCC got the Nobel prize and the Academy award, I nearly<br />
died of frustration.  Where were the scientists who could refute<br />
this, all silent.  Well we know now why.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baa, that HAS to be worth more than $64K these days.  

Adrian
&lt;blockquote&gt;Please can someone advise. If, as per Phil Jones, the rate and amount of the 1860-1880 and 1910-1940 warmings were statistically identical to the 1975-1998 warming, what caused the two earlier warmings?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, if you ask me; that bright little yellow ball in the daytime sky that has all that warm feel has something to do with it.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baa, that HAS to be worth more than $64K these days.  </p>
<p>Adrian</p>
<blockquote><p>Please can someone advise. If, as per Phil Jones, the rate and amount of the 1860-1880 and 1910-1940 warmings were statistically identical to the 1975-1998 warming, what caused the two earlier warmings?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, if you ask me; that bright little yellow ball in the daytime sky that has all that warm feel has something to do with it&#8230;..</p>
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		<description>Adrian:
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:12 pm

The $64,000 question. According to alarmists, the earlier warmings were &quot;internal variability of climate.&quot; 
But they are sure (95% no less) the 1975-1998 warming was caused by evil men and their fossil fuels.
However, if you talk to HONEST scientists like Nir Shaviv and many others, they will tell you that the greatest percentage of warming and or cooling in any past climates was caused by the suns variability, the oceans response to that (as a source of heat sink) and the formation of clouds due to Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCR&#039;s)

Who to believe who to believe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian:<br />
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:12 pm</p>
<p>The $64,000 question. According to alarmists, the earlier warmings were &#8220;internal variability of climate.&#8221;<br />
But they are sure (95% no less) the 1975-1998 warming was caused by evil men and their fossil fuels.<br />
However, if you talk to HONEST scientists like Nir Shaviv and many others, they will tell you that the greatest percentage of warming and or cooling in any past climates was caused by the suns variability, the oceans response to that (as a source of heat sink) and the formation of clouds due to Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCR&#8217;s)</p>
<p>Who to believe who to believe?</p>
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