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		<title>By: Jaunita Glawe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaunita Glawe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 00:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started out cigs when I was 14 years old. It appears to be the most detrimental wrong move I&#039;ve made. Today I am 45 years old and I have lung cancer. While attempting to quit smoking, I saw the ecig and i intend to try it out. With some luck, it will eventually help me with this crappy addiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started out cigs when I was 14 years old. It appears to be the most detrimental wrong move I&#8217;ve made. Today I am 45 years old and I have lung cancer. While attempting to quit smoking, I saw the ecig and i intend to try it out. With some luck, it will eventually help me with this crappy addiction.</p>
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		<title>By: George Aston</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Aston</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hey there!
My band recently made our very own full song!!!

Please have a look, we&#039;ve learnt a lot from your blog! :)
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My band recently made our very own full song!!!</p>
<p>Please have a look, we&#8217;ve learnt a lot from your blog! <img src='http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: Robert Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The continuous and relentless increase of population will be a problem worth far more serious contemplation of the the impact. More than 2 billion extra souls over the next 40 years. The F.A.O says 2.3 and the U.N. 2.9 billion, an increase of about one third.

It may not be significant in the Western World but it certainly is a difference in the Third World. Population to our North in Greater S.E.Asia is increasing at the rate of 20 million every 3 months, (F.A.O. figures a year ago) Not only will they breathe oxygen provided by the existing vegetation from the moment they are born, but they will require some form of shelter that consumes part of what is left, plus clean water.food and above all…energy. Russia is to build 12 new Stage 4 nuclear power plants in India.

As lifestyle of the wealthy nations is beamed to a TV in the open window hutch of the grass hut to the dozens seated on the ground , the wealth displayed by the media is envied to the extent that hitherto a life of stoop labour in the paddy is now not acceptable – the viewer is conditioned for the better life of “Big Max,TV’s, cars and electric toothbrushes”.

Therein will lie the problem of consumption of the Earth’s resources already being drained in ever larger amounts from above and below ground. The search continues to supply the raw materials for “things” and our beef exports have passed the million tonnes. So far there are a few untouched territories, forests and marginal tundra still apparently available but for how much longer if the World population will increase by one third?  The U.N. has warned of food riots and a modern day exodus from despot regimes of the Middle East and the tribal regimes of Africa 

Will the pressure of another 2 billion souls in such a short period of time allow the natural world to provide and then sustain? or will it be the scientists and farmers finding ways and means to do so on land that is already farmed? 

It is such a simple observation that the vegetation provides the oxygen for life while consuming the CO2 in the process. Global warming? Then who or what will explain the 50 or so vessels including the icebreakers caught in the freeze of the Baltic Sea at present? Or the warming consequence of the bushfires that discharge huge tonnages of C back into the atmosphere in a few hours that have taken a lifetime to absorb?  A computer model to shut down industry in Australia? What about the rest of the World?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The continuous and relentless increase of population will be a problem worth far more serious contemplation of the the impact. More than 2 billion extra souls over the next 40 years. The F.A.O says 2.3 and the U.N. 2.9 billion, an increase of about one third.</p>
<p>It may not be significant in the Western World but it certainly is a difference in the Third World. Population to our North in Greater S.E.Asia is increasing at the rate of 20 million every 3 months, (F.A.O. figures a year ago) Not only will they breathe oxygen provided by the existing vegetation from the moment they are born, but they will require some form of shelter that consumes part of what is left, plus clean water.food and above all…energy. Russia is to build 12 new Stage 4 nuclear power plants in India.</p>
<p>As lifestyle of the wealthy nations is beamed to a TV in the open window hutch of the grass hut to the dozens seated on the ground , the wealth displayed by the media is envied to the extent that hitherto a life of stoop labour in the paddy is now not acceptable – the viewer is conditioned for the better life of “Big Max,TV’s, cars and electric toothbrushes”.</p>
<p>Therein will lie the problem of consumption of the Earth’s resources already being drained in ever larger amounts from above and below ground. The search continues to supply the raw materials for “things” and our beef exports have passed the million tonnes. So far there are a few untouched territories, forests and marginal tundra still apparently available but for how much longer if the World population will increase by one third?  The U.N. has warned of food riots and a modern day exodus from despot regimes of the Middle East and the tribal regimes of Africa </p>
<p>Will the pressure of another 2 billion souls in such a short period of time allow the natural world to provide and then sustain? or will it be the scientists and farmers finding ways and means to do so on land that is already farmed? </p>
<p>It is such a simple observation that the vegetation provides the oxygen for life while consuming the CO2 in the process. Global warming? Then who or what will explain the 50 or so vessels including the icebreakers caught in the freeze of the Baltic Sea at present? Or the warming consequence of the bushfires that discharge huge tonnages of C back into the atmosphere in a few hours that have taken a lifetime to absorb?  A computer model to shut down industry in Australia? What about the rest of the World?</p>
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		<title>By: Tel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 08:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I agree there are resource distribution issues -- the same drop of water cannot be used by both QLD growing cotton and NSW, VIC growing fruit. The most effective use of that water depends on the relative price of cotton vs fruit. However, the water management is a human issue that humans can figure out, climate is another issue again.

It totally annoys me when people sit and listen to the TV news telling them that there is a drought one minute and a flood the next and they don&#039;t even connect the two. Then blame anything you like on Climate Change because it&#039;s easier than thinking. How many people are talking about the dreadful drought that is crippling Australian agriculture? The biggest problem we have with our wheat is figuring out where to dump the stuff into an already glutted international market. Benchmark wheat price is $310 per tonne, in comparison dry pre-mix cement costs you $250 per tonne, so food it only a fraction more expensive than rocks in Australia.

Northern hemisphere has also had good wheat harvests and the Aussie dollar is high so I hope all Australians want to drink plenty of beer and eat plenty of bread with Vegemite this year.

And yes there are hungry poor people who will get none of this, despite the massive food availability but please don&#039;t anyone blame the climate for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree there are resource distribution issues &#8212; the same drop of water cannot be used by both QLD growing cotton and NSW, VIC growing fruit. The most effective use of that water depends on the relative price of cotton vs fruit. However, the water management is a human issue that humans can figure out, climate is another issue again.</p>
<p>It totally annoys me when people sit and listen to the TV news telling them that there is a drought one minute and a flood the next and they don&#8217;t even connect the two. Then blame anything you like on Climate Change because it&#8217;s easier than thinking. How many people are talking about the dreadful drought that is crippling Australian agriculture? The biggest problem we have with our wheat is figuring out where to dump the stuff into an already glutted international market. Benchmark wheat price is $310 per tonne, in comparison dry pre-mix cement costs you $250 per tonne, so food it only a fraction more expensive than rocks in Australia.</p>
<p>Northern hemisphere has also had good wheat harvests and the Aussie dollar is high so I hope all Australians want to drink plenty of beer and eat plenty of bread with Vegemite this year.</p>
<p>And yes there are hungry poor people who will get none of this, despite the massive food availability but please don&#8217;t anyone blame the climate for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bush bunny</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 06:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Tel, the rainfall around St.George has created havoc in that town - and there is now talk this will result in more water flowing into the Murray Darling river.  Mind you, I always
thought that irrigation for cotton in the South Queensland was
resulting in a shortage of water in MD for NSW and SA?

The Queenslanders are sick of all the rain, now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Tel, the rainfall around St.George has created havoc in that town &#8211; and there is now talk this will result in more water flowing into the Murray Darling river.  Mind you, I always<br />
thought that irrigation for cotton in the South Queensland was<br />
resulting in a shortage of water in MD for NSW and SA?</p>
<p>The Queenslanders are sick of all the rain, now.</p>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
But while &lt;b&gt;rainfall has dropped to record lows&lt;/b&gt;, other scientists say the statistics don’t back Senator Wong’s claim.

Prof Steven Sherwood, of the University of NSW Climate Change Research Centre, said the “sceptics here are (for once) technically correct, in that there is no proven link – yet – between Murray Darling drought and climate change”.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Table showing: LONG-TERM-MEDIAN / LONG-TERM-MEAN / RECENT-ACTUAL per month (in millimeters of rain, all figures from the BOM, as far as I know not &quot;adjusted&quot; like temperature figures)

=== BENDIGO, VICTORIA (foothills of mountain)

Nov: 28.7 / 37.4 / 61.0
Dec: 24.6 / 33.1 / 19.0
Jan: 27.2 / 33.0 / 13.6
Feb: 20.1 / 32.3 / 43.6

=== REDESDALE, VICTORIA

Nov: 31.2 / 40.4 / 75.6
Dec: 23.5 / 37.7 / 22.2
Jan: 24.9 / 32.4 / 15.2
Feb: 23.4 / 36.2 / 74.0

== SWAN HILL, VICTORIA (on the river)

Nov: 21.8 / 25.8 / 79.6
Dec: 16.8 / 24.8 / 8.6
Jan: 13.4 / 22.1 / 38.4
Feb: 11.5 / 21.7 / 24.8

== HAY, NSW (on the Western plain)

Nov: 18.6 / 25.0 / 40.2
Dec: 15.5 / 26.8 / 22.4
Jan: 14.3 / 27.0 / 11.2
Feb: 14.8 / 27.3 / 119.4

== DENILIQUIN, NSW (edge of plain, near river)

Nov: 20.2 / 29.6 / 55.8
Dec: 20.1 / 29.4 / 9.6
Jan: 17.2 / 28.1 / 23.0
Feb: 16.0 / 27.5 / 59.4

== MILDURA, VICTORIA (fruit farming heartland)

Nov: 18.8 / 25.0 / 65.6
Dec: 14.2 / 23.3 / 13.2
Jan: 11.4 / 20.5 / 8.4
Feb: 9.4 / 19.6 / 19.6

Pick some towns yourself... its been wet out there. How much more rain is it going to take before reporters pay attention? The &lt;b&gt;rainfall record lows&lt;/b&gt; is a complete crock. Many months have been double or three times the average, and this is in the Southeast corner which was supposedly &quot;another dreadful dry season&quot;.

As for the Darling River, it flows South from Queensland and they have had huge record rainfalls in Queensland, including flooding. If there&#039;s no water in the Darling, the problem certainly is NOT lack of rainfall.</description>
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But while <b>rainfall has dropped to record lows</b>, other scientists say the statistics don’t back Senator Wong’s claim.</p>
<p>Prof Steven Sherwood, of the University of NSW Climate Change Research Centre, said the “sceptics here are (for once) technically correct, in that there is no proven link – yet – between Murray Darling drought and climate change”.
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<p>Table showing: LONG-TERM-MEDIAN / LONG-TERM-MEAN / RECENT-ACTUAL per month (in millimeters of rain, all figures from the BOM, as far as I know not &#8220;adjusted&#8221; like temperature figures)</p>
<p>=== BENDIGO, VICTORIA (foothills of mountain)</p>
<p>Nov: 28.7 / 37.4 / 61.0<br />
Dec: 24.6 / 33.1 / 19.0<br />
Jan: 27.2 / 33.0 / 13.6<br />
Feb: 20.1 / 32.3 / 43.6</p>
<p>=== REDESDALE, VICTORIA</p>
<p>Nov: 31.2 / 40.4 / 75.6<br />
Dec: 23.5 / 37.7 / 22.2<br />
Jan: 24.9 / 32.4 / 15.2<br />
Feb: 23.4 / 36.2 / 74.0</p>
<p>== SWAN HILL, VICTORIA (on the river)</p>
<p>Nov: 21.8 / 25.8 / 79.6<br />
Dec: 16.8 / 24.8 / 8.6<br />
Jan: 13.4 / 22.1 / 38.4<br />
Feb: 11.5 / 21.7 / 24.8</p>
<p>== HAY, NSW (on the Western plain)</p>
<p>Nov: 18.6 / 25.0 / 40.2<br />
Dec: 15.5 / 26.8 / 22.4<br />
Jan: 14.3 / 27.0 / 11.2<br />
Feb: 14.8 / 27.3 / 119.4</p>
<p>== DENILIQUIN, NSW (edge of plain, near river)</p>
<p>Nov: 20.2 / 29.6 / 55.8<br />
Dec: 20.1 / 29.4 / 9.6<br />
Jan: 17.2 / 28.1 / 23.0<br />
Feb: 16.0 / 27.5 / 59.4</p>
<p>== MILDURA, VICTORIA (fruit farming heartland)</p>
<p>Nov: 18.8 / 25.0 / 65.6<br />
Dec: 14.2 / 23.3 / 13.2<br />
Jan: 11.4 / 20.5 / 8.4<br />
Feb: 9.4 / 19.6 / 19.6</p>
<p>Pick some towns yourself&#8230; its been wet out there. How much more rain is it going to take before reporters pay attention? The <b>rainfall record lows</b> is a complete crock. Many months have been double or three times the average, and this is in the Southeast corner which was supposedly &#8220;another dreadful dry season&#8221;.</p>
<p>As for the Darling River, it flows South from Queensland and they have had huge record rainfalls in Queensland, including flooding. If there&#8217;s no water in the Darling, the problem certainly is NOT lack of rainfall.</p>
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		<description>Did anyone see this?

http://just-me-in-t.blogspot.com/2010/03/dear-doctor-al.html

The University Chancellor, Jimmy Cheek, considers Al to be amongst the most accomplished and respected Tennesseans in history. He considers it fitting that Al should be honored by the flagship education institution of his home state.</description>
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<p>The University Chancellor, Jimmy Cheek, considers Al to be amongst the most accomplished and respected Tennesseans in history. He considers it fitting that Al should be honored by the flagship education institution of his home state.</p>
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		<description>compilation :-) &lt;blockquote&gt;someone who hasn’t much common sense - very noisy - tend to group together&lt;/blockquote&gt;

argggg reads like a description of some of our political factions, pink and grey? let me see now Kevin&#039;s colours more than Tony&#039;s me thinks.

This IPCC review will end up another whitewash....... BOO HOO!</description>
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<blockquote>someone who hasn’t much common sense &#8211; very noisy &#8211; tend to group together</p></blockquote>
<p>argggg reads like a description of some of our political factions, pink and grey? let me see now Kevin&#8217;s colours more than Tony&#8217;s me thinks.</p>
<p>This IPCC review will end up another whitewash&#8230;&#8230;. BOO HOO!</p>
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		<description>The IPCC review?  Well if you all Google Dr Pachauri&#039;s influence
on TERI you will see of course he would favor the global warming
scenario as there are billions of dollars invested in CCT investments, that look like going down the gurgler in value.

It&#039;s the biggest con out!  However, there are big investers behind this Goldman Sachs (of which Malcolm Turnbull is the Australian director) who have invested in clean energy and also
CCT&#039;s.  I don&#039;t think they will be giving in without a fight!

I loved Richards report on windmills, killing air born fauna, birds, bats, etc.  Well - in Australia we have birds and parrots etc., who can&#039;t manage cars sometimes, like Galahs. Tend to group on the side of the road, and then fly off when a car approaches and fly into it rather than away from it and get run over! (Ahh)That&#039;s why they are called Galahs!  An Australian vernacular for someone who hasn&#039;t much common sense. For non Australians Galahs are pink and grey parrots, very noisy, but quite delightful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IPCC review?  Well if you all Google Dr Pachauri&#8217;s influence<br />
on TERI you will see of course he would favor the global warming<br />
scenario as there are billions of dollars invested in CCT investments, that look like going down the gurgler in value.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the biggest con out!  However, there are big investers behind this Goldman Sachs (of which Malcolm Turnbull is the Australian director) who have invested in clean energy and also<br />
CCT&#8217;s.  I don&#8217;t think they will be giving in without a fight!</p>
<p>I loved Richards report on windmills, killing air born fauna, birds, bats, etc.  Well &#8211; in Australia we have birds and parrots etc., who can&#8217;t manage cars sometimes, like Galahs. Tend to group on the side of the road, and then fly off when a car approaches and fly into it rather than away from it and get run over! (Ahh)That&#8217;s why they are called Galahs!  An Australian vernacular for someone who hasn&#8217;t much common sense. For non Australians Galahs are pink and grey parrots, very noisy, but quite delightful.</p>
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		<description>IPCC independent review - my foot!

Environment and Climate ministers meeting in closed session in Bali last night insisted that an independent review should be carried out following the publicising of mistakes in its last report,(IPCC) and a row surrounding Dr Pachauri&#039;s robust response to his critics. If his management is found to be at fault his position could become untenable.

It is sad to say that there will be a very large number of people sceptical of any review conducted ‘independently’ in this affair. 
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<p>Environment and Climate ministers meeting in closed session in Bali last night insisted that an independent review should be carried out following the publicising of mistakes in its last report,(IPCC) and a row surrounding Dr Pachauri&#8217;s robust response to his critics. If his management is found to be at fault his position could become untenable.</p>
<p>It is sad to say that there will be a very large number of people sceptical of any review conducted ‘independently’ in this affair.<br />
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