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		<title>By: Engchamp</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2010/01/is-the-media-awakening/#comment-107215</link>
		<dc:creator>Engchamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pachauri told the Guardian: “We have a very clear idea of what is happening. I don’t know why the minister is supporting this unsubstantiated research. It is an extremely arrogant statement.”
Pachauri said that such statements were reminiscent of “climate change deniers and school boy science”.
The Indian Report is ...”voodoo science.”
This totally disproportionate response tells us all that this has nothing to do with science. What amazes me is that the IPCC report actually quotes “WWF”. It should have been obvious 2 years ago that their information was not backed by peer review. Does anyone actually read the full reports?&quot;

The last sentence sums up the arrogance (using Pachauri&#039;s idiom) of the primary fault with politicians (especially) who attempt to translate scientific data into politically correct lingo. They (the politicians) have little or no knowledge of any scientific subjects, and are thus unqualified to cast opinion. I would be delighted to hear from any President, Vice-president, Senator, Congressman, UK MP or, indeed, any politician who can refute this statement, apart from Lord Christopher Monckton, who I do not think regards himself as a politician, although others may.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pachauri told the Guardian: “We have a very clear idea of what is happening. I don’t know why the minister is supporting this unsubstantiated research. It is an extremely arrogant statement.”<br />
Pachauri said that such statements were reminiscent of “climate change deniers and school boy science”.<br />
The Indian Report is &#8230;”voodoo science.”<br />
This totally disproportionate response tells us all that this has nothing to do with science. What amazes me is that the IPCC report actually quotes “WWF”. It should have been obvious 2 years ago that their information was not backed by peer review. Does anyone actually read the full reports?&#8221;</p>
<p>The last sentence sums up the arrogance (using Pachauri&#8217;s idiom) of the primary fault with politicians (especially) who attempt to translate scientific data into politically correct lingo. They (the politicians) have little or no knowledge of any scientific subjects, and are thus unqualified to cast opinion. I would be delighted to hear from any President, Vice-president, Senator, Congressman, UK MP or, indeed, any politician who can refute this statement, apart from Lord Christopher Monckton, who I do not think regards himself as a politician, although others may.</p>
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		<title>By: Time Magazine&#8217;s Controversial Glacier Expert &#171; NoFrakkingConsensus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Time Magazine&#8217;s Controversial Glacier Expert &#171; NoFrakkingConsensus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] these three distinct claims, the latter two are in serious dispute (see HERE, HERE and HERE). For all I know, so is the first one. Nevertheless, the IPCC endorsed all three statements because [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Level 30 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Televisions - The Most Popular Means Of Entertainment</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2010/01/is-the-media-awakening/#comment-31503</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8221; S &amp; SYB-3Rich and John&#039;s Unexcellent Adventure &#124; The Pakistan Policy BlogIs the media awakening? &#8221; JoNovaMacJams Music Blog &#8221; Blog Archive &#8221; Drakonis (aka Eduard &#8230;finnisTSUNAMI MEDIA [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Intel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just Die. Please.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SUBJECT: Emissions &#039;could rise&#039; under ETS 

&lt;strong&gt;THE Federal Government cannot guarantee that its controversial climate plan will cut Australia&#039;s greenhouse gas emissions at all.&lt;/strong&gt;

Labor and the Liberals are fiercely arguing over whose climate change plan is the best.

Both plans aim to reduce emissions by 5 per cent by 2020.

The government says the opposition&#039;s plan won&#039;t work and could see emissions rise.

But the same argument could be levelled against the government&#039;s proposed emissions trading scheme (ETS).

Government data appears to show that under the ETS, Australia&#039;s emissions would rise from 553 million tonnes in 2000 to 585 million tonnes by 2020.

The target to cut emissions by 5 per cent is only reached by paying other countries to reduce their emissions.

Modelling from the Treasury Department says Australia&#039;s emissions don&#039;t begin to fall under the ETS &quot;until the mid-2030s&quot;.


Junior climate change minister Greg Combet was unable to guarantee the ETS would reduce Australia&#039;s emissions by 2020.

When asked how much of the emission reduction would come from domestic sources, he said: &quot;That&#039;s up to the market&quot;.

&quot;The place where it is going to be the cheapest and most efficient to achieve those reductions is where it will take place first,&quot; Mr Combet told reporters in Canberra.

The government&#039;s ETS aims to tackle climate change by forcing business to pay for its pollution.

The opposition&#039;s rival plan would pay farmers and others to suck emissions out of the sky and store them in plants and soil. It does not appear to rely on international permits.

A key element of the opposition&#039;s plan is not clear - what happens to businesses who hike up their emissions.

The opposition&#039;s plan says a company that increases its emissions above &quot;business as usual&quot; is fined, but it&#039;s not clear what &quot;business as usual&quot; means, or how much they would have to pay.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott on Monday said only businesses who increased their &quot;emissions intensity&quot; would have to pay. This is a different concept to &quot;business as usual&quot;, which usually refers to total emissions.

Mr Combet said there appeared to be a secret penalties regime and business - and investors - needed to know what they might end up paying.

&quot;The detailed work is not done on this policy,&quot; he said of the opposition&#039;s plan.

Owen Pascoe, climate change campaigner with the Australian Conservation Foundation, said the government should change its ETS to reduce emissions at home.

The ETS &quot;allows too big a role for international permit trading, and should be refocused onto domestic action&quot;, Mr Pascoe told AAP.</description>
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<p><strong>THE Federal Government cannot guarantee that its controversial climate plan will cut Australia&#8217;s greenhouse gas emissions at all.</strong></p>
<p>Labor and the Liberals are fiercely arguing over whose climate change plan is the best.</p>
<p>Both plans aim to reduce emissions by 5 per cent by 2020.</p>
<p>The government says the opposition&#8217;s plan won&#8217;t work and could see emissions rise.</p>
<p>But the same argument could be levelled against the government&#8217;s proposed emissions trading scheme (ETS).</p>
<p>Government data appears to show that under the ETS, Australia&#8217;s emissions would rise from 553 million tonnes in 2000 to 585 million tonnes by 2020.</p>
<p>The target to cut emissions by 5 per cent is only reached by paying other countries to reduce their emissions.</p>
<p>Modelling from the Treasury Department says Australia&#8217;s emissions don&#8217;t begin to fall under the ETS &#8220;until the mid-2030s&#8221;.</p>
<p>Junior climate change minister Greg Combet was unable to guarantee the ETS would reduce Australia&#8217;s emissions by 2020.</p>
<p>When asked how much of the emission reduction would come from domestic sources, he said: &#8220;That&#8217;s up to the market&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The place where it is going to be the cheapest and most efficient to achieve those reductions is where it will take place first,&#8221; Mr Combet told reporters in Canberra.</p>
<p>The government&#8217;s ETS aims to tackle climate change by forcing business to pay for its pollution.</p>
<p>The opposition&#8217;s rival plan would pay farmers and others to suck emissions out of the sky and store them in plants and soil. It does not appear to rely on international permits.</p>
<p>A key element of the opposition&#8217;s plan is not clear &#8211; what happens to businesses who hike up their emissions.</p>
<p>The opposition&#8217;s plan says a company that increases its emissions above &#8220;business as usual&#8221; is fined, but it&#8217;s not clear what &#8220;business as usual&#8221; means, or how much they would have to pay.</p>
<p>Opposition Leader Tony Abbott on Monday said only businesses who increased their &#8220;emissions intensity&#8221; would have to pay. This is a different concept to &#8220;business as usual&#8221;, which usually refers to total emissions.</p>
<p>Mr Combet said there appeared to be a secret penalties regime and business &#8211; and investors &#8211; needed to know what they might end up paying.</p>
<p>&#8220;The detailed work is not done on this policy,&#8221; he said of the opposition&#8217;s plan.</p>
<p>Owen Pascoe, climate change campaigner with the Australian Conservation Foundation, said the government should change its ETS to reduce emissions at home.</p>
<p>The ETS &#8220;allows too big a role for international permit trading, and should be refocused onto domestic action&#8221;, Mr Pascoe told AAP.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2010/01/is-the-media-awakening/#comment-29463</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SUBJECT: ONLINE POLL ON ETS

There is a poll on yahoo at the moment which asks the question 

Q. Do you support Kevin Rudd&#039;s ETS proposal?

Here is the website:-
http://au.news.yahoo.com/polls/popup/-/poll_id/51862

78% of people so far are OPPOSED!</description>
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<p>There is a poll on yahoo at the moment which asks the question </p>
<p>Q. Do you support Kevin Rudd&#8217;s ETS proposal?</p>
<p>Here is the website:-<br />
<a href="http://au.news.yahoo.com/polls/popup/-/poll_id/51862" rel="nofollow">http://au.news.yahoo.com/polls/popup/-/poll_id/51862</a></p>
<p>78% of people so far are OPPOSED!</p>
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		<title>By: Deadman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ABC, of course, continues to spruik alarmism.  In what passes for political analysis in The Drum (motto:  &lt;em&gt;a new home for the best ideas, news and analysis on the web&lt;/em&gt;) Radio National’s Fran Kelly, in the course of sledging the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, writes:&lt;blockquote&gt;  The trouble is business as usual for industry means carbon emissions will continue to rise by 20 per cent by 2020.  It’s hard to see how that’s going to help protect against a warming planet.
And the small scale of his plan is really no help in the task of switching from a carbon intensive economy to a low carbon economy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ABC, of course, continues to spruik alarmism.  In what passes for political analysis in The Drum (motto:  <em>a new home for the best ideas, news and analysis on the web</em>) Radio National’s Fran Kelly, in the course of sledging the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, writes:<br />
<blockquote>  The trouble is business as usual for industry means carbon emissions will continue to rise by 20 per cent by 2020.  It’s hard to see how that’s going to help protect against a warming planet.<br />
And the small scale of his plan is really no help in the task of switching from a carbon intensive economy to a low carbon economy.</p></blockquote>
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		<dc:creator>Reyna Shoulars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 09:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, I came across your website using Yahoo and google while searching for Weather Balloons and your post caught  my eye .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, I came across your website using Yahoo and google while searching for Weather Balloons and your post caught  my eye .</p>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Parale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://joannenova.com.au/2010/01/recent-comments-news/#comment-27443&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is the BBC  getting the message ....at last ?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<dc:creator>Nick M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After listening to this...

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We may have a long way to go before we reach balance.

There is a whole generation of nutters to deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After listening to this&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://agmates.ning.com/forum/attachment/download?id=3535428%3AUploadedFi35%3A61972" rel="nofollow">Mp3 Audio File of Lehrmam</a>Must Listen!</p>
<p>We may have a long way to go before we reach balance.</p>
<p>There is a whole generation of nutters to deal with.</p>
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