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Sorry all, that post (#45) went on the wrong thread.

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With great respect Brian, Tasmania is a basket case. an island of welfare recipients and public servants. This is exactly why people like Bob Brown and Christine Milne get elected.

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There are insufficient words of gratitude for Jo Nova in her massive fight for logical outcomes and fair and just decisions for civil rights void of political spin and propaganda and particularly in publicising this draconian situation.
Peter Spencer is placing his life in jeopardy for all Australians whether rural or residential land owners.
In Western Australia many private residential property has been quarantined from any further improvements, use or soil disturbance which is now in its eleventh year. This is whilst the government delays legislation for its resumption and leaving land owners in limbo.
The value offered by the government was being determined by the then Minister for Planning ( a has been solicitor with no land valuation experience) at approximately 16% of the market value of similar unaffected adjoining land.
This amount would never allow a corresponding or reasonable replacement property to be purchased.
Land owners who could not continue to suffer the health and mental anguish, family destruction and massive legal and financial commitments have accepted the payment under absolute duress and despair. These land owners financial retirement, which had been provided for, has been absolutely destroyed.
Is this the democracy that many Australians have and are continuing to lose their lives fighting for?
It is nothing but criminal dictatorial theft.

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I don’t know much about El Nino, but I would think that out-of-the-ordinary weather fits in with the pattern of El Nino. So… wouldn’t a rainier winter than normal be CAUSED by El Nino?

The BOM tend to associate El Nino with drought in Australia, but the tail-end of El Nino is associated with floods as it flips to the other state.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/glossary/elnino/elnino.shtml

I personally suspect that a lot of guesswork goes into these theories. They work well, except when they don’t work. You know how it is. The current SOI graph is here:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml

Looks like it should stay down a bit longer before the cycle bounces up again, that’s just my estimate.

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You haven’t read any of what has been said. (Oh, and how did your post get hidden? It shouldn’t have been. You have an opinion, and it needs to be represented, and will be in the heavenly courts above. Opinions are one of the things that separate us from our inhuman brethren, even if they do get us killed. In fact, because they get us killed they need to be represented.) Us supporters are not urging him to die. Of course, he will regardless of whether or not we tell him to, because his property is quite literally nonexistent. The food he grew has been stolen from the government. His only other option is to become a beggar, which would be amusing, if it weren’t so morbid. And the amusing thing about it is that its the socialists, who profess to want to end world hunger, who have caused this to happen.
His supporters want the government to give him back his land, not for him to die.

“Farmers need to understand that a person’s chosen occupation is not his/her birthright. If farming is becoming too tough, do something else! I’ve had to change my occupation many times due to chnages in market forces and government regulations which were out of my control. This sort of things happens every day in the city. The difference is, we adapt and simply get on with it.”

In the CITY. Its difficult to get a job when you’ve spent your life growing food for yourself. I know someone who works with dangerous chemicals manufacturing strange materials, in a radioactive building used to manufacture radioactive substances. If not for the AAA, which, ironically, supports the Big Food industry which Greenies whine about, at the expense of real, traditional farmers, than this friend of mine would be making plenty enough to support his family selling food at the local New Seasons. But no, Transcendentalists had to go and not be transcendentalist. Funny world we live in. You may do just fine and dandy, but how well you do has a microscopic bearing on how well everyone is doing. Go live in Detroit, if you want to know what human “adaption” means.

“I would say that surface temperature measurements were up in Australia mostly because of how much rain we got last winter. It can’t get properly cold without a clear sky and our skies were regularly cloudy last year.”

I don’t know much about El Nino, but I would think that out-of-the-ordinary weather fits in with the pattern of El Nino. So…wouldn’t a rainier winter than normal be CAUSED by El Nino?

I find it also amusing, and I’ve said this elsewhere, how Socialists seem to like getting money. I personally HATE the stuff, yet I’m a strong Capitalist. Than I take a look at all the Socialists at my school (I hate to break it to you all, but the Media generation here in my state seems to be taking a particularly Leftist stance…but maybe the internet will break that spell,) and they are the richest jerks on the planet. (Yay for the fallacy of anecdotes.) Just worth thinking about.
Sadly, here in Oregon, we’re thinking about launching a campaign to put taxes on small businesses… even if they don’t make money. And I’m thinking about getting myself a rocket launcher and fasting on a telephone pole myself…and if any lamestream media junkie or government-governed “lawman” comes to carry me off, I’ll show them what the business end of a rocket launcher looks like.

Maybe we should start a fundraiser to buy Peter’s land back! I’d do that, but I’m too poor/unimportant. My family is going to be paying off the loans those government-governed banks have given us (as a Liberal said, the banks have been nationalized for years (yet that Lefty seemed to think that this is a reason why we should make the banks nationalized, not the reason why marketing bubbles and the recession happened so easily)) for decades. I mean literal decades.

A friend of mine had his siblings carried off for a few months because some police officer (who was visiting on a quite innocent mission to do something…maybe it was to get a wallet returned, can’t remember) told the State Department of Child Protective Services (this department has been, in fact, trying to nationalize children (sicko lefties)) that his house was too messy, and therefore dangerous, for such young children. I’ve been there, and its not messy. Just…barren. And a little damp and murky, sure, but its mostly just discoloration, saturation, and oxidation, not actual mold or anything. They finally gave them back recently. These are also the people who tried to take away the children of some rich white Mormon family away, merely because the mother spanked an eleven year old. The Mormons brought the case to court, and the courts told the Department (which was congratulating itself on having found a rich, non-minority family that abused its children, rather than the usual poor minority) to present real evidence of abuse or to pack their bags and leave. The Department than proceeded to do the equivalent of that weird huddle-thing that weird football people do in football, and, for quite a while, kept promising the courts that they had some really good evidence that they needed to compile to show them. It momentous day when they came waltzing in as bloated as politicians and bureaucrats can be, on the day the evidence was promised to show up, and than proceeded to describe how…messy the kitchen was. They got laughed out of court. It was a tad bit anti-climatic. Those who the gods destroy…

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Yeh! ain’t that the truth Tel. It hasn’t been worthwhile taking even the smallest of my three telescopes out of a night for months because of clouds.
Sorta validates the idea that an inactive sun does not deflect the ionizing cosmic rays which are always out there in deep space.

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The temperatures in Australia in 2009 were significantly warmer than normal because of a very strong El Nino weather pattern in the southern pacific similar to 2005. Australian temperatures will quickly drop again as the El Nino is now losing strength.

I would say that surface temperature measurements were up in Australia mostly because of how much rain we got last winter. It can’t get properly cold without a clear sky and our skies were regularly cloudy last year.

This of course is the problem with this type of reading — it gives a number but doesn’t say much about the meaning of the number. Overall 2009 was an excellent year w.r.t. weather in Australia.

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