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		<title>By: TWAWKI &#187; The Cost of Climate Alarmism and absence of due diligence</title>
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		<dc:creator>TWAWKI &#187; The Cost of Climate Alarmism and absence of due diligence</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] you ignore the green propaganda (CSIRO backs down on AGW/drought link, more here) and looking at natural climate cycles then what do we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: betandwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>betandwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to give you some kudos for exerting effort in posting this entry and in coming up with this. I&#039;m looking forward to more of your blogs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to give you some kudos for exerting effort in posting this entry and in coming up with this. I&#8217;m looking forward to more of your blogs</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Hogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Hogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bztm @80,

We&#039;d call that a crock where I come from!</description>
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<p>We&#8217;d call that a crock where I come from!</p>
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		<title>By: bztm</title>
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		<dc:creator>bztm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and just look what these marxists are saying now!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csiro.au/files/files/pvfo.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.csiro.au/files/files/pvfo.pdf&lt;/a&gt;

is there no end to their fact-obsessed perfidy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and just look what these marxists are saying now!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.csiro.au/files/files/pvfo.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.csiro.au/files/files/pvfo.pdf</a></p>
<p>is there no end to their fact-obsessed perfidy?</p>
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		<title>By: The Cost of Climate Alarmism and absence of due diligence &#171; TWAWKI</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Cost of Climate Alarmism and absence of due diligence &#171; TWAWKI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you ignore the green propaganda (CSIRO backs down on AGW/drought link, more here) and looking at natural climate cycles then what do we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Derek Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just got to the end of the chapter in Mr. Booker&#039;s book where the Hockey Stick flaws have been exposed. Nothing new there, but Mr booker finished the chapter with a very relevant and insightful quote as being pertinent to the way that the IPCC appears to work. I read the book it came from last year, having mean to have read it for a long time. When I read it, the book scared me for how close it was to the mindset of our ruling politicians.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Everything faded into mist. The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And the book? 1984........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just got to the end of the chapter in Mr. Booker&#8217;s book where the Hockey Stick flaws have been exposed. Nothing new there, but Mr booker finished the chapter with a very relevant and insightful quote as being pertinent to the way that the IPCC appears to work. I read the book it came from last year, having mean to have read it for a long time. When I read it, the book scared me for how close it was to the mindset of our ruling politicians.</p>
<blockquote><p>Everything faded into mist. The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the book? 1984&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Short</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Short</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is yet another wonderfully topical example of just how divorced from reality the cloistered CSIRO (etc) mindset can be (and how it leads young scientists so very easily right up the garden path to a sort of naive alarmism):

&quot;ScienceDaily (Jan. 23, 2010) — Nitrogen is an essential nutrient for plants; limits on available nitrogen constrain how much plants can grow. This in turn affects the amount of carbon dioxide plants can absorb, which affects the global climate.
See Also:
Earth &amp; Climate

    * Global Warming
    * Climate
    * Acid Rain
    * Geochemistry
    * Air Pollution
    * Environmental Issues

Reference

    * Consensus of scientists regarding global warming
    * Carbon cycle
    * Soil life
    * Soil

Using a framework that considers interactions of carbon and nutrients, Wang and Houlton have developed a new global estimate of nitrogen fixation rates.

The authors considered the amount of nitrogen plants require to store additional carbon and found that a substantial deficit of nitrogen exists for plants in most areas of the world. They argue that most climate models that do not take into account nitrogen have overestimated carbon uptake and therefore underestimated predicted global warming.

The authors suggest that it is important that the next Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change consider interactions between the nitrogen and carbon cycles.

The research appears in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

Authors include Ying-Ping Wang, CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research and CAWCR; Benjamin Z. Houlton, Department of Land, Air and Water Resources, University of California, Davis.&quot;

Of course no mention in this paper that about 47% of Earth&#039;s CO2-ABSORBING photosynthetic biomass exists not on the land but in the oceans as cyanobacteria (also known as algae or phytoplankton)!

So what do we know about the cyanobacteria in the sea? 

Why, for a start, one little thing that we know e.g. from modern satellite remote sensing of Chlorophyll a etc., is that they grow most prolifically in the waters of the continental shelves!

And what do we know about the water of the continental shelves? 

Why, for a start, one little thing thing that we do know is that that is precisely where the expanding human race pours most of it&#039;s NITROGEN-RICH waste! 

DUH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is yet another wonderfully topical example of just how divorced from reality the cloistered CSIRO (etc) mindset can be (and how it leads young scientists so very easily right up the garden path to a sort of naive alarmism):</p>
<p>&#8220;ScienceDaily (Jan. 23, 2010) — Nitrogen is an essential nutrient for plants; limits on available nitrogen constrain how much plants can grow. This in turn affects the amount of carbon dioxide plants can absorb, which affects the global climate.<br />
See Also:<br />
Earth &amp; Climate</p>
<p>    * Global Warming<br />
    * Climate<br />
    * Acid Rain<br />
    * Geochemistry<br />
    * Air Pollution<br />
    * Environmental Issues</p>
<p>Reference</p>
<p>    * Consensus of scientists regarding global warming<br />
    * Carbon cycle<br />
    * Soil life<br />
    * Soil</p>
<p>Using a framework that considers interactions of carbon and nutrients, Wang and Houlton have developed a new global estimate of nitrogen fixation rates.</p>
<p>The authors considered the amount of nitrogen plants require to store additional carbon and found that a substantial deficit of nitrogen exists for plants in most areas of the world. They argue that most climate models that do not take into account nitrogen have overestimated carbon uptake and therefore underestimated predicted global warming.</p>
<p>The authors suggest that it is important that the next Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change consider interactions between the nitrogen and carbon cycles.</p>
<p>The research appears in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.</p>
<p>Authors include Ying-Ping Wang, CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research and CAWCR; Benjamin Z. Houlton, Department of Land, Air and Water Resources, University of California, Davis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course no mention in this paper that about 47% of Earth&#8217;s CO2-ABSORBING photosynthetic biomass exists not on the land but in the oceans as cyanobacteria (also known as algae or phytoplankton)!</p>
<p>So what do we know about the cyanobacteria in the sea? </p>
<p>Why, for a start, one little thing that we know e.g. from modern satellite remote sensing of Chlorophyll a etc., is that they grow most prolifically in the waters of the continental shelves!</p>
<p>And what do we know about the water of the continental shelves? </p>
<p>Why, for a start, one little thing thing that we do know is that that is precisely where the expanding human race pours most of it&#8217;s NITROGEN-RICH waste! </p>
<p>DUH!</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Keith

I&#039;m only 50 pages into Mr Booker&#039;s book, with the events leading up to the Rio summit in 1992. Even getting to there, it makes my blood boil to see the manipulation that was going on even then. 

It beggars belief that the UK government has unilaterally committed itself to an unattainable reduction in Carbon emissions on the basis of this sham. 

I wish I had had the time to research this a long time ago, but I&#039;m catching up fast!  

Cheers
Derek
Wales (UK)

“Question Everything, Believe Nothing”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Keith</p>
<p>I&#8217;m only 50 pages into Mr Booker&#8217;s book, with the events leading up to the Rio summit in 1992. Even getting to there, it makes my blood boil to see the manipulation that was going on even then. </p>
<p>It beggars belief that the UK government has unilaterally committed itself to an unattainable reduction in Carbon emissions on the basis of this sham. </p>
<p>I wish I had had the time to research this a long time ago, but I&#8217;m catching up fast!  </p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Derek<br />
Wales (UK)</p>
<p>“Question Everything, Believe Nothing”</p>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandas, 1934 is the hottest year according to the climate gurus at NASA, Dr. Jim Hansen. So if 1934 is the hottest year, and there has been added 75 years of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, and still haven&#039;t got past 1934 temperature, doesn&#039;t that disprove the computer models and AGW theories? 

See  recently released under FOI NASA emails (available at Judicial Watch) and intricite dissection on this at http://climateaudit.org/2010/01/23/nasa-hide-this-after-jim-checks-it/#more-9903.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandas, 1934 is the hottest year according to the climate gurus at NASA, Dr. Jim Hansen. So if 1934 is the hottest year, and there has been added 75 years of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, and still haven&#8217;t got past 1934 temperature, doesn&#8217;t that disprove the computer models and AGW theories? </p>
<p>See  recently released under FOI NASA emails (available at Judicial Watch) and intricite dissection on this at <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2010/01/23/nasa-hide-this-after-jim-checks-it/#more-9903" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/2010/01/23/nasa-hide-this-after-jim-checks-it/#more-9903</a>.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Keith H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek Cook @72,73.  Welcome to Jo&#039;s Blog.  Sorry about the wrong link to nzscience and thankyou for providing the correct one.  I&#039;ve found the site extremely helpful with it&#039;s many great links and the open debate page which welcomes contributions from both sides of the argument.  Sadly in Australia, we may still be shafted on the ETS by Rudd, Wong and the Greens with the help of a couple of unthinking brainwashed Liberal Senators urged on by Malcolm Turnbull still seemingly wearing his Goldman Sachs hat.
At the accelerating rate the AGW scam is disintegrating world-wide, the end of that may come in time to save us but Labour and the Greens are really desperate to impose this foolish job-destroying and industry-exporting huge new tax which will do exactly nothing for the environment but cost Australians dearly in higher prices not only for power but for everything.
However, we&#039;ll do our best to stop it and wish you continued good hunting in Wales in spreading the word.  You have joined a rapidly increasing army round the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek Cook @72,73.  Welcome to Jo&#8217;s Blog.  Sorry about the wrong link to nzscience and thankyou for providing the correct one.  I&#8217;ve found the site extremely helpful with it&#8217;s many great links and the open debate page which welcomes contributions from both sides of the argument.  Sadly in Australia, we may still be shafted on the ETS by Rudd, Wong and the Greens with the help of a couple of unthinking brainwashed Liberal Senators urged on by Malcolm Turnbull still seemingly wearing his Goldman Sachs hat.<br />
At the accelerating rate the AGW scam is disintegrating world-wide, the end of that may come in time to save us but Labour and the Greens are really desperate to impose this foolish job-destroying and industry-exporting huge new tax which will do exactly nothing for the environment but cost Australians dearly in higher prices not only for power but for everything.<br />
However, we&#8217;ll do our best to stop it and wish you continued good hunting in Wales in spreading the word.  You have joined a rapidly increasing army round the world.</p>
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