Comments on: The one flaw that wipes out the crisis http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/ Tackling tribal groupthink Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:52:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Editors omitting evidence…achieving propaganda (spin) | pindanpost http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/#comment-798504 Editors omitting evidence…achieving propaganda (spin) | pindanpost Wed, 07 Dec 2011 05:01:01 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=4656#comment-798504 [...] upon a time, the missing hot spot and the water vapor amplification was virtually unknown. In Jan 2009 Tony Kelly from the Royal Society, met David and I privately in [...] [...] upon a time, the missing hot spot and the water vapor amplification was virtually unknown. In Jan 2009 Tony Kelly from the Royal Society, met David and I privately in [...]

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]]> By: Saint http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/#comment-65574 Saint Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:06:14 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=4656#comment-65574 Sorry. Double post not intentional. "There are thousands of technologies that have been suppressed over the years for very obvious reasons, but that is another subject all together, though you are wrong about hydrogen. You are also wrong about free energy. How much do you pay for your Sun light? Or what about the heat generated by rotting grass cuttings and compost, isn’t that free? Just because we are too lazy to harness something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I am surprised that I would need to point that out to you. The point I was making in the pdf you refer to is about how and why we are continually lied to and manipulated in the pursuit financial gain and power. Why you would want to quote me out of context and then call me a crackpot is not really of any interest to me. I am only here to spread the truth about AGW. " While a substance may be free to acquire, the power to harness it is not. Not by a long shot. The engine that burns fuel is a separate entity, and requires its own costs (a car is, after all, not cheap.) Same to with any engine. Saying "sunlight is free" doesn't mean solar panels are, too. And also keep in mind: the ability to control the weather is not free, either. You have no guarantee that there will be sunlight tomorrow. You have no guarantee that your grass won't shrivel up and die. It just so happens fuel is easy to pump up (if you discount the fact that environmentalist agenda has made it illegal to pump fuel up where its easy (which is the cause of the spill)), and easier still to harness. Sunlight is not. Plants only do as good as they do because they have had billions of years of innovation on their side, as well as plenty of other kinds of fuel. And you don't see them going down the highway at 60 miles per hour. Even we go faster sitting, and we run on what? Oxygen and carbon. Which is what government wants to limit, ironically. Socialism is slavery, slavery is death. Sorry. Double post not intentional.

“There are thousands of technologies that have been suppressed over the years for very obvious reasons, but that is another subject all together, though you are wrong about hydrogen. You are also wrong about free energy. How much do you pay for your Sun light? Or what about the heat generated by rotting grass cuttings and compost, isn’t that free? Just because we are too lazy to harness something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I am surprised that I would need to point that out to you. The point I was making in the pdf you refer to is about how and why we are continually lied to and manipulated in the pursuit financial gain and power. Why you would want to quote me out of context and then call me a crackpot is not really of any interest to me. I am only here to spread the truth about AGW. ”

While a substance may be free to acquire, the power to harness it is not. Not by a long shot. The engine that burns fuel is a separate entity, and requires its own costs (a car is, after all, not cheap.) Same to with any engine. Saying “sunlight is free” doesn’t mean solar panels are, too. And also keep in mind: the ability to control the weather is not free, either. You have no guarantee that there will be sunlight tomorrow. You have no guarantee that your grass won’t shrivel up and die. It just so happens fuel is easy to pump up (if you discount the fact that environmentalist agenda has made it illegal to pump fuel up where its easy (which is the cause of the spill)), and easier still to harness. Sunlight is not. Plants only do as good as they do because they have had billions of years of innovation on their side, as well as plenty of other kinds of fuel. And you don’t see them going down the highway at 60 miles per hour. Even we go faster sitting, and we run on what? Oxygen and carbon. Which is what government wants to limit, ironically. Socialism is slavery, slavery is death.

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]]> By: Saint http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/#comment-65566 Saint Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:48:38 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=4656#comment-65566 Hey Rumble, There is one major, major, major flaw in your analogy: The prophecy of impending, fertilizer caused apocalypse has itself many, many consequences, and plenty more if we pay any heed to it. For one, billions of dollars will go into a black hole project should said prophecy turn out to have not a whole ton of basis, billions of dollars which could have gone to projects that would save thousands, even millions of lives, such as charities that could send food and drink to Africa (charities which don't work because of bad government policy (the local governments let it rot in harbor so they can eat it all themselves)), or which could have stayed in their pockets of the taxpayer. On top of that, the gears of scientific war set in motion by the prophets have steamrolled their way over the scientific community, leaving a barren wasteland whose only inhabitants are hypocritical tyrants who have ceased to understand the scientific heritage, and ceased to understand at all the school of thought they claim to serve. Summed up, the costs of "telling the family in the car a train is coming" are these: Poverty Tyranny Rationality And the odds are low, VERY low, that global warming is at all a threat. And the odds are even lower that its a threat worth notice. And the odds are yet even lower that we have the means to fight such a grand, sublime tide of death foretold by the likes of our father Al Gore in heaven. And the odds are even lower that even if you succeed, you will avoid the said costs, which would already be the cost of Al Gore being a Cassandra. Remember the story of King Canute? He was the king who went to the edges of the sea, told by his advisers that he had the power to dictate the rhythm of the tides, and commanded the incoming waves to recede. Now who does that sound like? "This is the day the day that jobs were provided for the jobless, the oceans began to recede, and the earth began to heal." (I am unsure if this quote is fully accurate.) Notice the second part, the one about the oceans. Now that is an analogy that works. On another note: Even if we are committing the greatest mass extinction ever, the fossil record highly suggests that "species diversity" (a word with no meaning, given we can't properly define "species" (indeed, a species does not exist)) is like a plant, it grows best from its own ashes. You are here BECAUSE of mass extinction. As are plants, animals, every other form of eukaryote, cyanobacteria, and a majority of bacterial species. Indeed, only one species would be around if not for extinction. Life may have a 100% mortality rate, but mortality has a 200% birth rate. Hey Rumble,
There is one major, major, major flaw in your analogy:
The prophecy of impending, fertilizer caused apocalypse has itself many, many consequences, and plenty more if we pay any heed to it. For one, billions of dollars will go into a black hole project should said prophecy turn out to have not a whole ton of basis, billions of dollars which could have gone to projects that would save thousands, even millions of lives, such as charities that could send food and drink to Africa (charities which don’t work because of bad government policy (the local governments let it rot in harbor so they can eat it all themselves)), or which could have stayed in their pockets of the taxpayer. On top of that, the gears of scientific war set in motion by the prophets have steamrolled their way over the scientific community, leaving a barren wasteland whose only inhabitants are hypocritical tyrants who have ceased to understand the scientific heritage, and ceased to understand at all the school of thought they claim to serve.
Summed up, the costs of “telling the family in the car a train is coming” are these:
Poverty
Tyranny
Rationality

And the odds are low, VERY low, that global warming is at all a threat. And the odds are even lower that its a threat worth notice. And the odds are yet even lower that we have the means to fight such a grand, sublime tide of death foretold by the likes of our father Al Gore in heaven. And the odds are even lower that even if you succeed, you will avoid the said costs, which would already be the cost of Al Gore being a Cassandra.

Remember the story of King Canute?
He was the king who went to the edges of the sea, told by his advisers that he had the power to dictate the rhythm of the tides, and commanded the incoming waves to recede.
Now who does that sound like?
“This is the day the day that jobs were provided for the jobless, the oceans began to recede, and the earth began to heal.” (I am unsure if this quote is fully accurate.) Notice the second part, the one about the oceans.
Now that is an analogy that works.

On another note:
Even if we are committing the greatest mass extinction ever, the fossil record highly suggests that “species diversity” (a word with no meaning, given we can’t properly define “species” (indeed, a species does not exist)) is like a plant, it grows best from its own ashes. You are here BECAUSE of mass extinction. As are plants, animals, every other form of eukaryote, cyanobacteria, and a majority of bacterial species. Indeed, only one species would be around if not for extinction. Life may have a 100% mortality rate, but mortality has a 200% birth rate.

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]]> By: Felisa Haraguchi http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/#comment-38405 Felisa Haraguchi Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:06:33 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=4656#comment-38405 […] <a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis" rel="nofollow">http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis</a> - The one flaw that wipes out the crisis « JoNova...We focus on the most desirable vacation times, which include Christmas season in the Rockies, spring training time in Arizona, and summer along the Pacific Coast.Bookmarked and Pinged by http://www.westweeks.com/ [...] […] http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis – The one flaw that wipes out the crisis « JoNova…We focus on the most desirable vacation times, which include Christmas season in the Rockies, spring training time in Arizona, and summer along the Pacific Coast.Bookmarked and Pinged by http://www.westweeks.com/ [...]

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]]> By: Randall http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/#comment-38026 Randall Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:06:05 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=4656#comment-38026 Every family tree has some sap in it. Every family tree has some sap in it.

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]]> By: MattB http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/#comment-27995 MattB Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:41:14 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=4656#comment-27995 Hey PCL - the earth exists... why don't you reproduce it? Hey PCL – the earth exists… why don’t you reproduce it?

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]]> By: George Nixon http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/#comment-27993 George Nixon Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:33:56 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=4656#comment-27993 George Nixon Earlier on in the JoNova blog, I posted a request for any interested physicist to evaluate and comment on my work which has an ability to explain the warming and cooling of the Earth’s interior that does not result from the Sun’s radiation or nuclear fission. There have been no acceptors of my invitation. Yes “sucked in” you are correct when you emphasize the importance of “a peer review” but when you have no peers, what then. The Earth will undergo the bulk of its warming and cooling despite mankind’s input. I am 87 years old and have studied physics for most of my life but have no academic qualifications. My work on the subject ranges from an attempt to define the dynamic realities of a “Unit of basic energy” and then onward from a postulated bases for physics to all facets of physics, and ending with an attempt to define the conditions (no black hole despite the present belief) at the centre of our galaxy. For instance, the work demands that all acceleration, including acceleration due to gravitation requires an unbalanced force to be acting. I find that gravitation is responsible for the warping of “that” we call space and not the other way around as now believed by the use of the General Theory of Relativity. I originally thought that a scientist would have been at least prepared to read about an attempt to provide a conceptual description of the fundamental dynamic nature of matter, but no, over many years there have been no replies to my many requests for an evaluation. Presently science hasn’t got an explanation as to why the Pioneer vehicles received an unexpected extra boost when passing a planet, and why they are slowing down unexpectedly. My work not only explains those so-called anomalies, they are demanded by the principles on which it is based. Yes science is correct in the belief that somehow mass is involved. However, the postulation of Dark Matter is indicative of the lack of knowledge concerning matter. With regards to the heating and cooling of our planet as referred to above, the fundamental nature of evaporation and condensation, also freezing and thawing involve phase changes of state, are the major thermostats controlling the condition of our atmosphere and have been widely researched but remain vaguely understood. Again I will request that if a retired or still active physicist is prepared to read and comment on my work , I would be pleased to supply him or her with a copy. The email address is George.dawn.robynn@gmail.com George Nixon
Earlier on in the JoNova blog, I posted a request for any interested physicist to evaluate and comment on my work which has an ability to explain the warming and cooling of the Earth’s interior that does not result from the Sun’s radiation or nuclear fission. There have been no acceptors of my invitation. Yes “sucked in” you are correct when you emphasize the importance of “a peer review” but when you have no peers, what then. The Earth will undergo the bulk of its warming and cooling despite mankind’s input.
I am 87 years old and have studied physics for most of my life but have no academic qualifications. My work on the subject ranges from an attempt to define the dynamic realities of a “Unit of basic energy” and then onward from a postulated bases for physics to all facets of physics, and ending with an attempt to define the conditions (no black hole despite the present belief) at the centre of our galaxy. For instance, the work demands that all acceleration, including acceleration due to gravitation requires an unbalanced force to be acting. I find that gravitation is responsible for the warping of “that” we call space and not the other way around as now believed by the use of the General Theory of Relativity. I originally thought that a scientist would have been at least prepared to read about an attempt to provide a conceptual description of the fundamental dynamic nature of matter, but no, over many years there have been no replies to my many requests for an evaluation.
Presently science hasn’t got an explanation as to why the Pioneer vehicles received an unexpected extra boost when passing a planet, and why they are slowing down unexpectedly. My work not only explains those so-called anomalies, they are demanded by the principles on which it is based. Yes science is correct in the belief that somehow mass is involved. However, the postulation of Dark Matter is indicative of the lack of knowledge concerning matter. With regards to the heating and cooling of our planet as referred to above, the fundamental nature of evaporation and condensation, also freezing and thawing involve phase changes of state, are the major thermostats controlling the condition of our atmosphere and have been widely researched but remain vaguely understood.
Again I will request that if a retired or still active physicist is prepared to read and comment on my work , I would be pleased to supply him or her with a copy. The email address is George.dawn.robynn@gmail.com

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]]> By: Emission Trading - Page 74 - Renovate Forums http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/#comment-22945 Emission Trading - Page 74 - Renovate Forums Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:21:56 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=4656#comment-22945 [...] do not show carbon has a major role. When we talk about the “Major Role”, we’re talking about Feedbacks. Nobody who is anybody believes doubling carbon on it’s own will warm us by much more than one [...] [...] do not show carbon has a major role. When we talk about the “Major Role”, we’re talking about Feedbacks. Nobody who is anybody believes doubling carbon on it’s own will warm us by much more than one [...]

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]]> By: Lionell Griffith http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/#comment-19959 Lionell Griffith Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:57:48 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=4656#comment-19959 Politicians cost lives: There are thousands of technologies that have been suppressed over the years ... 1. There are thousands of crackpot technologies that could not be made to work so were not developed. The one's that could have worked were poorly developed, poorly documented, poorly protected, and poorly marketed. Stop blaming the other guy for not spending his wealth on your crackpot ideas. That is his free choice. 2. If cold fusion is such a fantastically great new technology, why don't YOU develop it, sell it, and make a stupendous fortune? Stop blaming Big oil or Big coal, Mean Evil Bankers, or some such for sitting on your ass and not doing a damn thing about it. Shut up and do it. Then come back and convince me by giving me an actual demonstration of something that works. Verbal bullshit and bombastic assertions don't cut it. 3. Name three technologies that could have been economically viable and would have made a real contribution to the economy. Then PROVE that they were stopped by Big oil or Big coal, Mean Evil Bankers or some such rather than the so called inventors were frauds and crackpots. Politicians cost lives: There are thousands of technologies that have been suppressed over the years …

1. There are thousands of crackpot technologies that could not be made to work so were not developed. The one’s that could have worked were poorly developed, poorly documented, poorly protected, and poorly marketed. Stop blaming the other guy for not spending his wealth on your crackpot ideas. That is his free choice.

2. If cold fusion is such a fantastically great new technology, why don’t YOU develop it, sell it, and make a stupendous fortune? Stop blaming Big oil or Big coal, Mean Evil Bankers, or some such for sitting on your ass and not doing a damn thing about it. Shut up and do it. Then come back and convince me by giving me an actual demonstration of something that works. Verbal bullshit and bombastic assertions don’t cut it.

3. Name three technologies that could have been economically viable and would have made a real contribution to the economy. Then PROVE that they were stopped by Big oil or Big coal, Mean Evil Bankers or some such rather than the so called inventors were frauds and crackpots.

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]]> By: Politicians cost lives http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/the-one-flaw-that-wipes-out-the-crisis/#comment-19956 Politicians cost lives Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:38:06 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=4656#comment-19956 Lionell There are many technologies that have been kept hidden for commercial reasons. You cannot monopolize a substance that falls from the sky. We are told that cold fusion is not reproducible. But the fact is , if it occurs naturally then humans can reproduce it. There are thousands of technologies that have been suppressed over the years for very obvious reasons, but that is another subject all together, though you are wrong about hydrogen. You are also wrong about free energy. How much do you pay for your Sun light? Or what about the heat generated by rotting grass cuttings and compost, isn't that free? Just because we are too lazy to harness something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am surprised that I would need to point that out to you. The point I was making in the pdf you refer to is about how and why we are continually lied to and manipulated in the pursuit financial gain and power. Why you would want to quote me out of context and then call me a crackpot is not really of any interest to me. I am only here to spread the truth about AGW. The movie on my site, of a simple experiment which proves that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas and proves that pure CO2 traps less heat than ordinary air can be reproduced by anyone. So don't be lazy, go and test it for yourselves. http://www.spinonthat.com/CO2.html Lionell

There are many technologies that have been kept hidden for commercial reasons. You cannot monopolize a substance that falls from the sky. We are told that cold fusion is not reproducible. But the fact is , if it occurs naturally then humans can reproduce it.

There are thousands of technologies that have been suppressed over the years for very obvious reasons, but that is another subject all together, though you are wrong about hydrogen. You are also wrong about free energy. How much do you pay for your Sun light? Or what about the heat generated by rotting grass cuttings and compost, isn’t that free? Just because we are too lazy to harness something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I am surprised that I would need to point that out to you. The point I was making in the pdf you refer to is about how and why we are continually lied to and manipulated in the pursuit financial gain and power. Why you would want to quote me out of context and then call me a crackpot is not really of any interest to me. I am only here to spread the truth about AGW.

The movie on my site, of a simple experiment which proves that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas and proves that pure CO2 traps less heat than ordinary air can be reproduced by anyone. So don’t be lazy, go and test it for yourselves.

http://www.spinonthat.com/CO2.html

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