Comments on: Carbon trading: not such a vote winner, eh?

By: The Talkfest of Tedious Blowhards. « The mind is an unexplored country.

The Talkfest of Tedious Blowhards. « The mind is an unexplored country. — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 23:29:02 +0000

[...] But maybe Clive was blessed with a premonition there. When he ran for election in Higgins two years later, he didn’t do so well. [...]

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By: Tel

Tel — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:28:19 +0000

“So what gives, where does the momentum go warmers?”

My understanding of the Earth’s atmosphere is that it is held down to the Earth’s surface by gravity. Thus, the momentum can transfer down to the surface of the Earth by the same mechanism (i.e. gravity).

Now that I’ve said that, I can’t clearly visualise the mechanical details at the microscopic level. I have not seen a clear explanation of this effect but people on both sides of the debate seem to just ignore any large scale accumulation of momentum.

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By: Mike W

Mike W — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:26:04 +0000

Lol, Tel, likewise, my gaseous shell was merely meant to be illustrative of how ‘stimulated emission’ conserves momentum whereas the AGW view of CO2 molecules re-radiating isotropically does not. In fact, for the AGW theory to hold in the real world, momentum will be destroyed if CO2 re-radiates isotropically, not a very palatable idea at all is it? So what gives, where does the momentum go warmers?

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By: Derek

Derek — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:58:48 +0000

Below is a link to a well written and very easily understood description of what and why Peter Spencer is protesting about,
in regards to Carbon trading and the position Australia and it’s government now find themsleves in.
I suggest it is a MUST READ for everyone, but particularly Australians.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/12/12/carbongate-the-great-carbon-heist/

Maybe you will consider joining this group,

http://agmates.ning.com/group/peterspencerhungerstrike

Jo is it worth a thread in it’s pwn right.

Below is another very well put together series of videos / report into how the Carbon trading schemes are effecting innocent people in Brazil.
Another MUST WATCH, I suggest.

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/carbonwatch/moneytree/

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By: Tel

Tel — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:50:19 +0000

Mike W, I can’t say for sure but a thin gaseous Dyson shell would be blown away on the solar wind like dust. Only a strong solid shell could maintain position and this sort of shell merely transfers momentum to other parts of the shell.

It’s not by any means a close analogy to the Earth’s atmosphere, it was illustrative of a particular point (re-radiation at a lower temperature), that is all.

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By: Roy Hogue

Roy Hogue — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:18:43 +0000

Kendra,

Let us all hope it doesn’t come to that. But if it does I think going down fighting is the only way to keep your self-respect.

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By: Kendra

Kendra — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:36:02 +0000

Roy @81,

Altho I’m an expat in Switz, I’m still a patriot. When the time comes – I’ll go back and go down fighting too.

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By: Gregoryno6

Gregoryno6 — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:12:17 +0000

Clive (lets-suspend-democracy) Hamilton
l-s-d?
This could explain a few things about Clivey’s brain and how it works.

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By: Mike W

Mike W — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:25:09 +0000

…conserved rather, though I am sure preserved photons taste quite delicious.

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By: Mike W

Mike W — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:16:27 +0000

Tel, CO2 is not evil; just to illustrate a point, if the Dyson Sphere wasn’t a solid, but was in fact a gaseous spherical shell (for ease we’ll say just one molecule thick) Einstein’s theory of stimulated emission (sometimes called induced emission) tells us that there would be no back-radiation towards the sun because the original momentum of the sun’s emitted photons is preserved thoughout the absorption/emission process.

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