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C999 – Al gore is a scientist, is correct and would never mislead us as he practices what he preaches

We all know that Al Gore invented “Global Warming”…lol…

But here we have Al Gore accidently claiming that he creatted the internet…

” I took the initiative of creating the internet “

LOL…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco

Aqua Fyre

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C7 level – Skeptical that a CO2 emissions trading scheme (ETS) is a viable/effective means for addressing Cost-effectively Correctable Catastrophic Carbon-driven Climate Change

Hopefully nobody comes up with an eighth, or I’ll probably have to break out my thesaurus .

MadJak – I’m not ignoring yours when I say that, but we can abbreviate C999′s description as “Cuckoo^999″.

Neil – I’m with you. I could easily be a C2 as well, especially after analyzing about 110 years of raw daily temperature data for my area and finding it can be explained entirely as (1) an annual sine wave plus (2) a square wave coinciding with the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation plus (3) the urban heat island effect plus (4) trendless “noise”.

I think, more than any science, it’s that I’ve accepted the existence of climate change (specifically, warming) as a “given” so often for the purposes of argument (namely, trying to show alarmists that simply accepting the climate is changing tells us nothing about how or even if we should do anything about it), that I don’t bother to exert any skepticism there any more.

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I was probably a C3 or C4 on your list, but some recent revelations from EM Smith and a few other things have pushed me back to a C2, I think. Why? Well, first we have EMS showing a rather disturbing propensity of GISS to move where the thermometers are located. Second, we have the revelation that most of the change in average is from a change in the minimum temperature, not the maximum. Third, we have known for a long time that the “corrections” to the thermometers are on the same order as the claimed warming. But perhaps most damning is that it appears that we are not yet able to determine what is “natural variability” and what is “forced variability” – as Jo and many others have shown, the rise and rate of rise is not significantly different now from the 1920s/30s. So overall, I would say we are still “in the noise” in terms of the actual measurement of climate change. Together with the published research of Pielke Snr (specifically, boundary layer effects), Michaels & McKitrick (specifically, correlation of temperature rise to local GDP), and much more, I find it difficult to see how we can be certain of any trend in climate system heat content, and it’s also difficult to credit that the measurement of temperature of such a complex system at one point (ie, the surface, not just one measurement) can tell us about the heat content of that system.
Now, having said that, it may perhaps surprise you to learn that I do think us humans affect climate – it seems to me that this is trivially true, as we change our environment to suit ourselves and this must affect local climate, and hence, on a large enough scale this will produce regional and then global changes. Are we at that point yet? It’s hard to say, but given that even such a heavily populated and urbanised place as the USA (at least compared to here in Oz) has only managed to significantly alter around 5% of the surface, there’s still some doubt that this is true – at least for me. I don’t think we are at the stage where we can accurately predict what such changes will do over decades and centuries, even in general terms, and I certainly don’t think that GHG’s have been shown to be the major forcing, or that feedbacks cannot cancel out any potential warming from them. It certainly seems to me that we do not have anywhere near enough knowledge of the climate system to either:
i) start deliberately trying to change it (geo-engineering) or
ii) make significant changes to a system that has lifted millions out of poverty or
iii) prevent those unfortunates who are still stuck in grinding poverty from lifting themselves out of it using the same methods we used.
It also seems to me that climate change is slow, and that technological change is fast and accelerating. In the next two or three decades, we may see at least three technologies that have the potential to completely transform our world – fusion energy, artificial intelligence and molecular nanotechnology. Fusion, and IEC fusion in particular, promise to provide us with an almost inexhaustable supply of cheap, clean energy with no country or area having a monopoly on the fuel. Molecular nanotechnology – which seemed inevitable even in the 1950′s – will radically alter not just our manufacturing sectors, but medicine as well as what it means to be human. And lastly, artificial intelligence will help push us to new and better things in all areas. That these three technologies will interact is inevitable, and it certainly makes the concept of a technological “singularity” – where the future is so radically different to the present as to be all but incomprehensible to us – seem both hopefull and frightening at the same time. Still, what a time to be alive, eh? Wouldn’t want to miss a thing, would you? So you see that I have great hopes for humanity and it’s future, but of course, that’s tempered with, I must admit, not a little fear – fear of the unknown, of course.
Sorry for the OT rant, I’ll shut up now

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This is a special categorisation for KRudd and the ABC

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That would put most of the Greens party into C7 level skeptics.

BTW, personally I’m not skeptical that Climate exists as a theoretical construct, but I am skeptical that anyone on Earth has a practical system for measuring it, especially down to tenths of a degree change within a decade. Climate is a highly complex thing and our coverage with thermometers, etc is not particularly dense (probably less than 1% of the surface is measured).

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Maybe we should put together a sliding scale of skepticism – I’d call it the “Six Cs”, based on defining the alarmist’s view of AGW as “Cost-effectively Correctable Catastrophic Carbon-driven Climate Change”.

C2 level – skeptical that any significant Climate Change is happening
C3 level – skeptical that Climate Change is primarily Carbon-driven
C4 level – skeptical that Carbon-driven Climate Change will likely be Catastrophic
C5 level – skeptical that Catastrophic Carbon-driven Climate Change is Correctable to any significant degree
C6 level – skeptical that it would be Cost-effective to try mitigating Correctable Catastrophic Carbon-driven Climate Change (as opposed to adapting)

(Since, to be a C1 skeptic, one would have to be skeptical of either Change or Climate, I think we can safely skip that designation)

So, if a person believes climate change is probably carbon-driven but has a lot of doubts that it will be catastrophic, they would be a C4 skeptic. Self-disclosure: I’m a C3 skeptic.

P.S. – Tom – love that idea!

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And while it would be profoundly satisfying to win such an action, revenge is a dish best taken cold – the Americans have a term for using unwarranted influence to frustrate the careers (not quite the same as defaming) of good, honest scientists like Ian Plimer and David Bellamy – “tortious interference” – surely we have an equivalent in Australian law? And wouldn’t that be a class action to get behind?

I propose the establishment of a fund for these purposes, to be called The Naked Emperor Fund.

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