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	<title>Comments on: The cliff of political oblivion: laws based on fraud</title>
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		<title>By: Joel Owen</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/the-cliff-of-political-oblivion-laws-based-on-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-48148</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 05:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad breath or halitosis can be easily elimated by using mouthwash with hexetidine or triclosan.&quot;-:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad breath or halitosis can be easily elimated by using mouthwash with hexetidine or triclosan.&#8221;-:</p>
<p>Valid? <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-48148" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('48148', 'add', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="" /> <small id="karma-48148-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-48148" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('48148', 'subtract', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="" /> <small id="karma-48148-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/the-cliff-of-political-oblivion-laws-based-on-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-17199</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Channel 10 thinks it is Jo. Usual crap at 5 pm about melting ice, pestilence, famine. Heck, why leave at that. Halitosis, flatulence and...and... scrofula await unless we agree to an ETS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Channel 10 thinks it is Jo. Usual crap at 5 pm about melting ice, pestilence, famine. Heck, why leave at that. Halitosis, flatulence and&#8230;and&#8230; scrofula await unless we agree to an ETS.</p>
<p>Valid? <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-17199" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('17199', 'add', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="" /> <small id="karma-17199-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-17199" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('17199', 'subtract', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="" /> <small id="karma-17199-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joanne Nova</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/the-cliff-of-political-oblivion-laws-based-on-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-17112</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne Nova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPDATE:&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/how-to-test-the-faith-of-the-party-faithful/story-e6frgczf-1225804380924&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; The Australian&lt;/a&gt; reports that the Nationals offices, have received more then 10,000 messages of support in the past two days, including many requests for membership forms and multiple requests that the party stand candidates. It would appear that the electorate is shifting already.

Clearly being &lt;em&gt;against the ETS&lt;/em&gt; is not as politically unpopular as some would make it out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE:<a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/how-to-test-the-faith-of-the-party-faithful/story-e6frgczf-1225804380924" rel="nofollow"> The Australian</a> reports that the Nationals offices, have received more then 10,000 messages of support in the past two days, including many requests for membership forms and multiple requests that the party stand candidates. It would appear that the electorate is shifting already.</p>
<p>Clearly being <em>against the ETS</em> is not as politically unpopular as some would make it out to be.</p>
<p>Valid? <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-17112" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('17112', 'add', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="" /> <small id="karma-17112-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-17112" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('17112', 'subtract', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="" /> <small id="karma-17112-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mattb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flats you act as though I wouldn&#039;t be very happy to find out it was all a fraud:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flats you act as though I wouldn&#8217;t be very happy to find out it was all a fraud:)</p>
<p>Valid? <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-17105" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('17105', 'add', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="" /> <small id="karma-17105-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-17105" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('17105', 'subtract', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="" /> <small id="karma-17105-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Flats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mattb, what&#039;s that sound?  Oh it&#039;s just the wheels coming off...

Sunlight is a wonderful disinfectant.  The lead up to COP15 is getting very entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mattb, what&#8217;s that sound?  Oh it&#8217;s just the wheels coming off&#8230;</p>
<p>Sunlight is a wonderful disinfectant.  The lead up to COP15 is getting very entertaining.</p>
<p>Valid? <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-17102" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('17102', 'add', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="" /> <small id="karma-17102-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-17102" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('17102', 'subtract', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="" /> <small id="karma-17102-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You won&#039;t get any converts here Matt. If the Greens ever gained power in Oz it wouldn&#039;t be too long before the boat people started the journey homeward. Those left would enjoy all the benefits of a Pol Pot hell on earth because that&#039;s the only way you could implement the type of policies the Greens espouse. Of course, you would order a few &#039;dancing-in-the-street&#039; festivals to lighten the mood from time to time. Non-attendance on pain of execution.

I see nothing touchy-feely about you lot Matt.

Not long back the economic report came in about Spain. The green influenced policies there have resulted in 19% unemployment. Great achievement eh Matt?

If you were really honest you would state that there is no empirical or observed evidence that would shake the scales off your eyes. Just go away, you&#039;re not in the least amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You won&#8217;t get any converts here Matt. If the Greens ever gained power in Oz it wouldn&#8217;t be too long before the boat people started the journey homeward. Those left would enjoy all the benefits of a Pol Pot hell on earth because that&#8217;s the only way you could implement the type of policies the Greens espouse. Of course, you would order a few &#8216;dancing-in-the-street&#8217; festivals to lighten the mood from time to time. Non-attendance on pain of execution.</p>
<p>I see nothing touchy-feely about you lot Matt.</p>
<p>Not long back the economic report came in about Spain. The green influenced policies there have resulted in 19% unemployment. Great achievement eh Matt?</p>
<p>If you were really honest you would state that there is no empirical or observed evidence that would shake the scales off your eyes. Just go away, you&#8217;re not in the least amusing.</p>
<p>Valid? <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-16997" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('16997', 'add', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="" /> <small id="karma-16997-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-16997" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('16997', 'subtract', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="" /> <small id="karma-16997-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MattB</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/the-cliff-of-political-oblivion-laws-based-on-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-16985</link>
		<dc:creator>MattB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you just don;t like markets Flats you old bastion of the left;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you just don;t like markets Flats you old bastion of the left;)</p>
<p>Valid? <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-16985" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('16985', 'add', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="" /> <small id="karma-16985-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-16985" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('16985', 'subtract', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="" /> <small id="karma-16985-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Flats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there such a thing as a well designed ETS?  

Any open market that has a profit incentive will ultimately be overtaken by the speculators.  The carbon market is primarily for producers and manufacturers to buy their &#039;carbon&#039; offsets to cover them for a given time period, if the speculators can (and they will) disrupt the liquidity of these carbon credits volatility is introduced so profitability is enhanced.  

Speculators and Traders LOVE volatility, manufacturers and producers don&#039;t.   We&#039;re all going to be held hostage when this becomes Enronised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there such a thing as a well designed ETS?  </p>
<p>Any open market that has a profit incentive will ultimately be overtaken by the speculators.  The carbon market is primarily for producers and manufacturers to buy their &#8216;carbon&#8217; offsets to cover them for a given time period, if the speculators can (and they will) disrupt the liquidity of these carbon credits volatility is introduced so profitability is enhanced.  </p>
<p>Speculators and Traders LOVE volatility, manufacturers and producers don&#8217;t.   We&#8217;re all going to be held hostage when this becomes Enronised.</p>
<p>Valid? <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-16980" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('16980', 'add', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="" /> <small id="karma-16980-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-16980" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('16980', 'subtract', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="" /> <small id="karma-16980-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Fiona</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/the-cliff-of-political-oblivion-laws-based-on-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-16977</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, let me try that again, 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/piles-and-piles-and-piles-of-it/20091127-jwe6.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Piles and piles and piles of it&lt;/a&gt;

Michael Smith&#039;s blog at 4bc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, let me try that again, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/piles-and-piles-and-piles-of-it/20091127-jwe6.html" rel="nofollow">Piles and piles and piles of it</a></p>
<p>Michael Smith&#8217;s blog at 4bc.</p>
<p>Valid? <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-16977" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('16977', 'add', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="" /> <small id="karma-16977-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-16977" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('16977', 'subtract', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="" /> <small id="karma-16977-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Fiona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here is more... a list of institutions that have profited from grants in the name of global warming here in Australia...
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/piles-and-piles-and-piles-of-it/20091127-jwe6.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here is more&#8230; a list of institutions that have profited from grants in the name of global warming here in Australia&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/piles-and-piles-and-piles-of-it/20091127-jwe6.html" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
<p>Valid? <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-16976" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('16976', 'add', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="" /> <small id="karma-16976-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="down-16976" src="http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('16976', 'subtract', 'joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" title="" /> <small id="karma-16976-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small></p>]]></content:encoded>
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