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	<title>Comments on: Legislation based on fraud still has a chance</title>
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		<title>By: Mattb</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/legislation-based-on-fraud-still-has-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-17552</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s hoping that the ALP do a deal with the greens and introduce a far more imposing CPRS:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s hoping that the ALP do a deal with the greens and introduce a far more imposing CPRS:)</p>
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		<title>By: BJM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the link everybody. Try going to

http://technorati.com/

That is where I obtained Christopher Booker&#039;s article via the Telegraph UK.
It is located on the left side of the page - about half way down.
Once again, apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the link everybody. Try going to</p>
<p><a href="http://technorati.com/" rel="nofollow">http://technorati.com/</a></p>
<p>That is where I obtained Christopher Booker&#8217;s article via the Telegraph UK.<br />
It is located on the left side of the page &#8211; about half way down.<br />
Once again, apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Nova</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/legislation-based-on-fraud-still-has-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-17497</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne Nova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Matt, time to party, but crickey, what a margin?!!

As long as Abbott keeps his science and his religion separate we&#039;ll be in a far better place than where we were yesterday. Rudd after all, is a member of the Church of Carbon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Matt, time to party, but crickey, what a margin?!!</p>
<p>As long as Abbott keeps his science and his religion separate we&#8217;ll be in a far better place than where we were yesterday. Rudd after all, is a member of the Church of Carbon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattb</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/legislation-based-on-fraud-still-has-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-17492</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol Abbott it is!!!  

Don;t you just love political Spin... Julie Bishops &quot;&quot;Today our colleagues showed a great sense of unity ... they have drawn a line and we will now move forward under our new leader Tony Abbott.&quot;&quot;

Vote outcome - 42 to 41!!!! 1 measly vote... split the party, cross the floor, pass the ETS.  Abbott was going to, so none of Turnbull&#039;s supporters should have any moral dilemma there.

A day science cheers a conservative close ally of the conservatives in the Catholic Church is a strange day indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol Abbott it is!!!  </p>
<p>Don;t you just love political Spin&#8230; Julie Bishops &#8220;&#8221;Today our colleagues showed a great sense of unity &#8230; they have drawn a line and we will now move forward under our new leader Tony Abbott.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Vote outcome &#8211; 42 to 41!!!! 1 measly vote&#8230; split the party, cross the floor, pass the ETS.  Abbott was going to, so none of Turnbull&#8217;s supporters should have any moral dilemma there.</p>
<p>A day science cheers a conservative close ally of the conservatives in the Catholic Church is a strange day indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wright</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/legislation-based-on-fraud-still-has-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-17480</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BJM: A couple of people have pointed out how Booker&#039;s latest column doesn&#039;t show up in a search at Google News. It&#039;ll show articles that link to it, as well as Booker&#039;s previous column, but not the one you link to.

I&#039;m sure it&#039;s just a glitch...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BJM: A couple of people have pointed out how Booker&#8217;s latest column doesn&#8217;t show up in a search at Google News. It&#8217;ll show articles that link to it, as well as Booker&#8217;s previous column, but not the one you link to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s just a glitch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Nova</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/legislation-based-on-fraud-still-has-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-17414</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne Nova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a battle between Hockey and Abbott, here&#039;s hoping that Minchin wins...


For more evidence of criminal behaviour...
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/cru-data-cooking-recipe-exposed/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a battle between Hockey and Abbott, here&#8217;s hoping that Minchin wins&#8230;</p>
<p>For more evidence of criminal behaviour&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/cru-data-cooking-recipe-exposed/" rel="nofollow">http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/cru-data-cooking-recipe-exposed/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mattb</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/legislation-based-on-fraud-still-has-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-17411</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JS - Rudd shares your hopes for Abbott&#039;s success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JS &#8211; Rudd shares your hopes for Abbott&#8217;s success.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Hogue</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/legislation-based-on-fraud-still-has-a-chance/comment-page-1/#comment-17410</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Hogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the links given in post 5 I see Phil Jones asserting that CRU&#039;s data agrees with NASA&#039;s (trying to save his neck?).  Could that possibly be because CRU and NASA conspired to make it that way?  NASA is in this up to its ears and needs to be exposed like CRU.  These people feed off of and enable each other in the most shameful way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the links given in post 5 I see Phil Jones asserting that CRU&#8217;s data agrees with NASA&#8217;s (trying to save his neck?).  Could that possibly be because CRU and NASA conspired to make it that way?  NASA is in this up to its ears and needs to be exposed like CRU.  These people feed off of and enable each other in the most shameful way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is the main players in the Liberal party are all seasoned, rational politicians, with the exception of Malcolm Turnbull. Surely they have developed a strategy to achieve their desired end game. Which I think is:

1. Separate the leadership issue from the ETS

2. Get rid of Turnbull - he&#039;s now electoral poison

3. Nick Minchin hasn&#039;t put his 30 year political career on the line to end up having Hockey declare a conscience vote on the ETS

4. Prevent a Rudd victory and also prevent him from being able to claim that the Liberals have some responsibility/ownership for the ETS - which is surely a dog.

Consequently, my prediction is Tony Abbot becomes the new Liberal leader, passes a motion for a senate inquiry into the ETS, and hence it is voted down.

This also allows Hockey to come out unscathed, and keep his powder dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is the main players in the Liberal party are all seasoned, rational politicians, with the exception of Malcolm Turnbull. Surely they have developed a strategy to achieve their desired end game. Which I think is:</p>
<p>1. Separate the leadership issue from the ETS</p>
<p>2. Get rid of Turnbull &#8211; he&#8217;s now electoral poison</p>
<p>3. Nick Minchin hasn&#8217;t put his 30 year political career on the line to end up having Hockey declare a conscience vote on the ETS</p>
<p>4. Prevent a Rudd victory and also prevent him from being able to claim that the Liberals have some responsibility/ownership for the ETS &#8211; which is surely a dog.</p>
<p>Consequently, my prediction is Tony Abbot becomes the new Liberal leader, passes a motion for a senate inquiry into the ETS, and hence it is voted down.</p>
<p>This also allows Hockey to come out unscathed, and keep his powder dry.</p>
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		<title>By: JS:</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, apparently Tony Abbott will now run against Joe Hockey to try to prevent a free vote. I wish him the best of luck. Go Tony you are our only hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, apparently Tony Abbott will now run against Joe Hockey to try to prevent a free vote. I wish him the best of luck. Go Tony you are our only hope.</p>
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