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	<title>Comments on: Global bully Rudd fights for foreign committee, against citizens</title>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
I don&#039;t see how I could possibly vote for a Rudd government at the next election.  His delusions of future grandeur as President of the UN or of the World are just too much.  Tony Abbott actually seems a lot more realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how I could possibly vote for a Rudd government at the next election.  His delusions of future grandeur as President of the UN or of the World are just too much.  Tony Abbott actually seems a lot more realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: MattB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So paradise you&#039;d prefer cap and government allocation of carbon rights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So paradise you&#8217;d prefer cap and government allocation of carbon rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Augustus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Augustus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone capable of reading...with an open mind..can see that the ETS is a tax based on global warming that is not happening. Talk is cheap..action is required. What can we do? Actively build a large email list,and encourage those on the list to do the same...gather the information..send it on...for those who don&#039;t have email..print and post it. Next step..contact your local,state and federal member..state your concerns, ask for their position on the ETS and global warming. Teach those on your email list to do likewise.The only thing that will get the notice of politicians is voters who control their destiny. This issue goes beyond party politics,self interest or wanting to be acclaimed on the world stage.( Kein Rudd}.It is my experience that some people don&#039;t have the time to do the research, or the motivation to find the time..but when the facts are laid out for them..they will listen. No one else will protect Australia..we must do it ourselves. I have over 50 on my email list and building...you can make the difference. Mick A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone capable of reading&#8230;with an open mind..can see that the ETS is a tax based on global warming that is not happening. Talk is cheap..action is required. What can we do? Actively build a large email list,and encourage those on the list to do the same&#8230;gather the information..send it on&#8230;for those who don&#8217;t have email..print and post it. Next step..contact your local,state and federal member..state your concerns, ask for their position on the ETS and global warming. Teach those on your email list to do likewise.The only thing that will get the notice of politicians is voters who control their destiny. This issue goes beyond party politics,self interest or wanting to be acclaimed on the world stage.( Kein Rudd}.It is my experience that some people don&#8217;t have the time to do the research, or the motivation to find the time..but when the facts are laid out for them..they will listen. No one else will protect Australia..we must do it ourselves. I have over 50 on my email list and building&#8230;you can make the difference. Mick A.</p>
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		<title>By: Paradise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paradise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know.. I have given this some thought. IF they where serous about this, instead of CAP and TRADE, it would JUST BE CAP!!! sorry about the caps... Anyways, Merry Christmas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know.. I have given this some thought. IF they where serous about this, instead of CAP and TRADE, it would JUST BE CAP!!! sorry about the caps&#8230; Anyways, Merry Christmas!</p>
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		<title>By: Thumbnail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thumbnail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Jo Nova, you have summed this up perfectly.  I wonder if any of the Journos in the room were as astounded as all of us are.  Kevin Rudd is just getting stranger and stranger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Jo Nova, you have summed this up perfectly.  I wonder if any of the Journos in the room were as astounded as all of us are.  Kevin Rudd is just getting stranger and stranger.</p>
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		<title>By: nevket240</title>
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		<dc:creator>nevket240</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian G V
Krudd is after Ban the Moons job. He sees himself as Kev the First. Imagine that Thugocrat as the final arbiter of anything to do with &#039;thinking&#039;. Beggars belief but that is his goal. Hence his jumping on the AGW bandwagon to prove his loyalty to the cause.
regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian G V<br />
Krudd is after Ban the Moons job. He sees himself as Kev the First. Imagine that Thugocrat as the final arbiter of anything to do with &#8216;thinking&#8217;. Beggars belief but that is his goal. Hence his jumping on the AGW bandwagon to prove his loyalty to the cause.<br />
regards</p>
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		<title>By: nevket240</title>
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		<dc:creator>nevket240</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235395/SPECIAL-INVESTIGATION-Climate-change-emails-row-deepens--Russians-admit-DID-send-them.html

Which is going to win??
Big money, gouged from the unsuspecting taxpayer, or rational science??

regards</description>
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<p>Which is going to win??<br />
Big money, gouged from the unsuspecting taxpayer, or rational science??</p>
<p>regards</p>
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		<title>By: melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of people blogging and they all should tell evrrone else they know and so on to heap emails ph calls etc to all the politicians telling them we know its a fraud and to stop it ,a call for a class action against the fraud for money ,scare stories frightening our children and teaching the fraud science is in order i think ,this says it all ,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gefSwMCTjuc    ive converted this to phone and spreading it to all the kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of people blogging and they all should tell evrrone else they know and so on to heap emails ph calls etc to all the politicians telling them we know its a fraud and to stop it ,a call for a class action against the fraud for money ,scare stories frightening our children and teaching the fraud science is in order i think ,this says it all ,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gefSwMCTjuc    ive converted this to phone and spreading it to all the kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Marek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some time ago, to provide evidence in the discussion on one of the environmental blogs, I did quick research about financial institutions involved in the carbon market.

In my post from &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/greenblog/index.php/couriermail/comments/scientists_agree_its_happening&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wed 28 Jan 09 (06:22pm)&lt;/a&gt;&quot; I&#039;ve listed almost all world biggest financial institutions involved in &quot;trading hot air&quot; if someone is interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some time ago, to provide evidence in the discussion on one of the environmental blogs, I did quick research about financial institutions involved in the carbon market.</p>
<p>In my post from &#8220;<a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/greenblog/index.php/couriermail/comments/scientists_agree_its_happening" rel="nofollow">Wed 28 Jan 09 (06:22pm)</a>&#8221; I&#8217;ve listed almost all world biggest financial institutions involved in &#8220;trading hot air&#8221; if someone is interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Hibbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Hibbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MattB post 261
&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it wrong to be optimistic about humankind?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That depends. What is your definition of an optimistic outcome, that we won’t annihilate ourselves? If so, I would be inclined to be ‘optimistic’ in that regard. Past that my optimism melts like a snow cone on a beach. There can be a lot of damage done between not doing something stupid and self annihilation. Just a casual stroll down through history should prove that to the casual observer.

Brian is correct in pointing out that sooner or later when mankind embarks on a lunatic path the grownups eventually take over and sanity returns. But that does not diminish the value of staying off the lunatic path, and I don’t think he means to say it does.

Something about the conversation, whenever we talk about humanity and the things it does has always struck me as strange. You hear and see these statements such as “Everybody wants peace” and “Nobody wants war” and “War never solves anything”. The first two statements are patently false because if they were true there never would be any wars. The third is false because history would teach that just about everything in the 20th century was decided by war.  And the 18th and the 17th and the 16th, I could do this all night.

Don’t intend on changing the subject to war but just using it as the most drastic example of stupid human tricks. 

I don’t think that the fact that we will most likely survive yet another stupid idea from on high is justification for unalterably changing the life trajectories of vast numbers of people and possibly causing their early demise. If you want an example of how permits have great effect on the price of the underlying commodity look no further than zoning laws. In some areas zoning is the prime mover of real estate prices. 

I have to ask you a question MattB what function has Government performed so brilliantly and with such efficiency that it compels you to want to give more power, in this case a great deal more power, to Government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MattB post 261</p>
<blockquote><p>Is it wrong to be optimistic about humankind?</p></blockquote>
<p>That depends. What is your definition of an optimistic outcome, that we won’t annihilate ourselves? If so, I would be inclined to be ‘optimistic’ in that regard. Past that my optimism melts like a snow cone on a beach. There can be a lot of damage done between not doing something stupid and self annihilation. Just a casual stroll down through history should prove that to the casual observer.</p>
<p>Brian is correct in pointing out that sooner or later when mankind embarks on a lunatic path the grownups eventually take over and sanity returns. But that does not diminish the value of staying off the lunatic path, and I don’t think he means to say it does.</p>
<p>Something about the conversation, whenever we talk about humanity and the things it does has always struck me as strange. You hear and see these statements such as “Everybody wants peace” and “Nobody wants war” and “War never solves anything”. The first two statements are patently false because if they were true there never would be any wars. The third is false because history would teach that just about everything in the 20th century was decided by war.  And the 18th and the 17th and the 16th, I could do this all night.</p>
<p>Don’t intend on changing the subject to war but just using it as the most drastic example of stupid human tricks. </p>
<p>I don’t think that the fact that we will most likely survive yet another stupid idea from on high is justification for unalterably changing the life trajectories of vast numbers of people and possibly causing their early demise. If you want an example of how permits have great effect on the price of the underlying commodity look no further than zoning laws. In some areas zoning is the prime mover of real estate prices. </p>
<p>I have to ask you a question MattB what function has Government performed so brilliantly and with such efficiency that it compels you to want to give more power, in this case a great deal more power, to Government?</p>
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